All Madden vs. All Pro

[callmetaternuts]

I typically play All Madden but as I get older and the stick skills deteriorate, it may be time to move down.

What are the main differences?
Is Robo Qb alive on All Pro?
Do CPU teams use their X Factors?



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[baconbits11]

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I would try Pro if I were you - there is no robo QB and X-factors are used. I suggest sliders in WC Basketball's thread for a fair and competitive game. I think users are afraid to go to PRO because it would be to easy or they are embarrassed to "Play on Pro"

[BigOrangeVol4Life]

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I would try Pro if I were you - there is no robo QB and X-factors are used. I suggest sliders in WC Basketball's thread for a fair and competitive game. I think users are afraid to go to PRO because it would be to easy or they are embarrassed to "Play on Pro"

I'm a CPU vs CPU guy. Does it make any difference if the skill level is set to pro, all pro, all Madden, etc? What would you set it to for the most realistic gameplay for CPU vs CPU?

[Rye]

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I'll just share my opinion on the matter, for what it's worth.

Now first off, I prefer All Pro difficulty for one reason. That being there are no ratings boost whatsoever, in previous Madden's you could see during preplay the different matchups and notice that All Madden was in fact altering ratings. On All Pro if 'x' player has a rating of 85 speed, he has 85 speed.

For the questions listed

1. Is Robo QB alive? Yes and No, some games you will have a good QB go 12-13 passing to start but you also get games that guys start off poorly. For example, I played the week 4 Matchup between Carolina and Houston. In that game, Watson started 1-6 for -2 yards. But later in the game he was 23-34 for over 250 yards. So if you give All Pro time and don't judge off of 1 quarter, you will have games that vary. Guys will have great games, poor games, bad start but finished strong type games, great start but fall off type games.

2. Yes CPU teams use their X Factor abilities. I've seen plenty of QB scrambles, crazy jukes, hit sticks, great coverage etc. on default All Pro.

All Madden can be great, I played on All Madden for a long time when I was younger. Lately however, I get great games on All Pro that are just fun to play which is the most important part.

I would rather have a fun, fair matchup where you still need to play smart to win than to have a slightly tougher matchup that is obviously just downgrading your team a little for a challenge.



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[ehh]

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I miss the days of NCAA Football where we could put offense on All-American and defense on Heisman. Madden could really use that.

All-Pro inevitably gets too easy. I went 13-3 with the Jets in my first season and lost in the divisional round. This is generally how it goes for me in Madden: I'll use a bad team, overachieve in the regular season, and then lose prior to the Super Bowl. Darnold won MVP and threw for 4,800 yards and 45 TDs. Bell had 1,600 rushing yards and 20+ TDs. I led the league in total offense by a mile.

All-Madden is more like All-Maddening. There is simply too much nonsense from the CPU, but it's needed since the HUM has such a big advantage over it. Any Madden vet is significantly smarter than the CPU so the CPU has to make up for it by "cheating" on All-Madden. In recent years it's gotten better--it was nearly cheese-free in '18--but it's still there. You'll be up late in the game and only an epic collapse will let the CPU back in the game and sure enough, there's one epic collapse coming right up. Fumbles, penalties, etc. and all of a sudden you've blown a 17 point lead in two minutes. I'm not saying it doesn't happen IRL but it tastes so bad when it happens in Madden.

Every year I ping pong back and forth between the two difficulty levels. I'm currently on my first extended All-Madden stretch after restarting my Jets CFM. I lost 45-10 to Philly last night after trailing 31-0 at halftime. My biggest issue with AM this year is that I can rarely throw the ball downfield. The CPU sits in their usual Cover 2 or Cover 3 zone on 95% of the plays and I have to take my checkdowns since zone defenders react much, much faster on AM, plus you have far less time in the pocket to let routes develop. L-Bell had 17 receptions in the Philly because it's just about all I could do. It's like every team in the league abides by a "keep everything in front of you" defensive philosophy. The killer in all of this is that play-action doesn't work in Madden so it's really difficult to get guys behind the defense on AM IMO. Then again, I'm the Jets.

[ajra21]

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I’ve been playing on All-Madden for sometime. I flirted with All-Pro for a few days on M20 only to return to All-Madden level.

All-Pro is too easy. 16-0 is in play every year on All-Pro, even with a middle of the pack roster. I’m not a particularly good player. If I played online, I’d get destroyed I’m sure.

All-Madden has its problems but I find, for me, it’s the best playing level. I have built a good roster but I can easily lose five to six games per season if I’m not careful.

[NYJin2011tm]

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I tried All Madden for a few games this year after not for years. While it’s not as bad as I remember it I still think it cheats some. All Pro I’m getting good, competitive games so I stick with that.

[Von Dozier]

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I'm starting to toy around with playing my home games on All Pro and away games on All Madden.

[tecmo1]

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I'm starting to toy around with playing my home games on All Pro and away games on All Madden.

I'm thinking about doing the same. Gives the games a different aspect.

[PhillyPhanatic14]

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Played the majority of M20 on All Pro and just did playoffs and Super Bowls on All Madden, but recently switched and did a full season on All Madden.

All Pro is more fun in some ways because the AI isn't as good. Coverage isn't as tight. QB's aren't as difficult to stop. But it got old for me because i was winning by 40+ points every game with 5 min quarters. There just isn't a challenge on that difficulty.

All Madden has been fun. AI Offense punishes you if you don't pressure the QB or commit to stopping the run. They tear apart zones. Their defense has much tighter coverage and forces you to change up your play calling and route patterns. I'm still working on this... The run game is pretty easy on All Madden if you find the run concepts that your team executes best (for my team it's inside zone). That allowed me to not explore the passing game too much in that season.

In general the games are just closer on All Madden. CPU makes plays that they don't on All Pro, whether it's INTs, forced fumbles, sacks, 3rd down stops, etc... They just make more plays and force closer games.

I haven't played around with gameplay sliders much so that'll be the next area I move to if I don't want to stick with All Madden long term, but if you're just using default sliders I think All Madden is good this year. It doesn't do all of the cheap garbage it used to where it would force you to lose through cheap stuff.

[kennylc321]

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Y'all way better than I am. I am an all pro guy (heck... there are times where I feel like making more difficult sliders and dropping down to pro.) All Madden... I just can't do it. No matter the slider setting, the AI breaks up the pass, if I am lucky. When the AI decides he is going to 'hit stick' you, nothing will stop him... it's an automatic tackle. The AI QB will complete 75% of his passes.

Again, those of you who have success on this level, I give you all the props.

[Potatoes002]

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I would have liked to stay on All Pro, but there is no semblance of a CPU run game, especially after the patch nerfed running even more. Other than that (which is a major problem imo) All Pro played pretty solid with a good slider set, but I have to play All Madden for a challenge.

[Maxil]

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the general idea nowadays is that the game is worked on around all-madden for equilibrium in competitive modes. While Madden may have had penalties in years past now it seems on all-pro the users are actually given boosts instead. All-Madden now is the"no bs" mode, otherwise you're given handicap advantage against the CPU on anything lower.

That said if you don't care about all that, finding the right slider set for you makes the game all that more enjoyable. There are some all madden sets that tune things down, all pro that tune things up, etc. As they discover more about how the sliders work (such as injuries at different settings determining how AI plays and intentional grounding being off changing how AI CPU QB's behave) more and more gets tweaked around for an ideal gameplay for your desired gaming challenge.

Personally for me, I'm using matt10's sliders over in the sliders forum with the all-madden set and having a lot of fun.

[thehardknoxlife]

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I'm starting to toy around with playing my home games on All Pro and away games on All Madden.

You should try using custom sliders for each game. I adopted this back in NCAA. It's kind of immersive as well, as you scout your opponent. Give slider boosts and cuts so it feels like your're playing the #1 defense while also facing a mid tier offense. It's really the only way to get the game to play right for each team.

[Radja]

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the last time I really enjoyed madden and played a lot was 16.

I played all pro and used the lowest camera angle. i cant remember if its called field view. I am not sure which camera you are using but when I use the high camera the offense is too easy after while.

there are issues like sometimes you don't see the CB on sweeps and you get the LB miracle interceptions on touch passes over the middle at times a little too often. you almost have to wait until they are seriously wide open to make some 10 to 15 yard crossing patterns.

just my two cents. I am an older gamer also.