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  • PhillyPhanatic14
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    • Jun 2015
    • 4825

    #1

    Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

    Really cool podcast with Dustin Smith, the ratings adjuster for Madden. Good behind the scenes look at the process and what goes into the ratings. A lot of the discussions around ratings tend to center around people's anecdotal opinions about players, but there's a lot more than just checking the box scores that go into the ratings. Dude talks about the process- from tape study to PFF grades - and it's a great listen.





    This is also a great football podcast in general if you're looking for one.
  • reverend_heat
    MVP
    • Aug 2002
    • 1775

    #2
    Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

    Originally posted by PhillyPhanatic14
    Really cool podcast with Dustin Smith, the ratings adjuster for Madden. Good behind the scenes look at the process and what goes into the ratings. A lot of the discussions around ratings tend to center around people's anecdotal opinions about players, but there's a lot more than just checking the box scores that go into the ratings. Dude talks about the process- from tape study to PFF grades - and it's a great listen.





    This is also a great football podcast in general if you're looking for one.
    Hard to take any ratings talk seriously when you have guards in the game with 90+ lead block ratings completely ignoring initial defenders as they run right past them and let them tackle the hb for a loss. I have absolutely zero excitement for Madden releases anymore, I'll care again when the game is built 100 percent from the ground up without a single line of code from whatever the current frankenstein game is built on carried over.
    Last edited by reverend_heat; 07-22-2020, 06:15 PM.

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    • canes21
      Hall Of Fame
      • Sep 2008
      • 22892

      #3
      Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

      Originally posted by reverend_heat
      Hard to take any ratings talk seriously when you have guards in the game with 90+ lead block ratings completely ignoring initial defenders as they run right past them and let them tackle the hb for a loss. I have absolutely zero excitement for Madden releases anymore, I'll care again when the game is built 100 percent from the ground up without a single line of code from whatever the current frankenstein game is built on carried over.
      That's not really a ratings issue, though. More of the logic behind the blocking in the game. Not saying you are wrong, the blocking in the game, and most everything else, needs to be redone, but I do personally feel that you can see a much bigger differentiation in players who are rated differently than ever before in the past two generations of consoles. It's been so long since I played the PS2 games, but I definitely think if EA has done anything well recently, it's been making non-real looking presentation packages and getting players to actually feel and play different finally.
      “No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.”


      ― Plato

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      • roadman
        *ll St*r
        • Aug 2003
        • 26339

        #4
        Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

        Originally posted by canes21
        That's not really a ratings issue, though. More of the logic behind the blocking in the game. Not saying you are wrong, the blocking in the game, and most everything else, needs to be redone, but I do personally feel that you can see a much bigger differentiation in players who are rated differently than ever before in the past two generations of consoles. It's been so long since I played the PS2 games, but I definitely think if EA has done anything well recently, it's been making non-real looking presentation packages and getting players to actually feel and play different finally.
        That is spot on, much better differentiation.

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        • jerwoods
          MVP
          • Jan 2009
          • 2997

          #5
          Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

          Dustin is a great guy works his tail off

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          • SolidSquid
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            • Aug 2014
            • 3159

            #6
            Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

            What bothers me is how they change ratings when there is a social media campaign. With all the stats and metrics they use why can’t they stick by their guns? They can’t have it both ways.

            And I also wanna thank Dustin for being the only person at EA who seems to care about getting proper equipment in.
            Last edited by SolidSquid; 07-22-2020, 07:56 PM.

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            • ripcandlestickpark
              MVP
              • Aug 2014
              • 1174

              #7
              Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

              Originally posted by SolidSquid
              And I also wanna thank Dustin for being the only person at EA who seems to care about getting proper equipment in.
              Same. Ever since M17 or so, he's been very good about introducing new equipment options at a solid pace. Unfortunately, I didn't notice anything new during the M21 beta, but maybe something will be announced prior to release.

              FWIW, he's also the only member of the dev team (to my knowledge, at least) that's still pretty responsive on social media.
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              • SolidSquid
                MVP
                • Aug 2014
                • 3159

                #8
                Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

                Originally posted by ripcandlestickpark
                Same. Ever since M17 or so, he's been very good about introducing new equipment options at a solid pace. Unfortunately, I didn't notice anything new during the M21 beta, but maybe something will be announced prior to release.

                FWIW, he's also the only member of the dev team (to my knowledge, at least) that's still pretty responsive on social media.
                I’m pretty sure I saw one new arm brace but I may be misremembering. I know he said he wants mouthpieces but I don’t see that happening.

                I’d be happy with equipment upgrades if they were proper cleat spats like we used to have on ps2 and just adding some wrinkles/texture to sleeves so they don’t look painted on.

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                • PhillyPhanatic14
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2015
                  • 4825

                  #9
                  Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

                  Originally posted by ripcandlestickpark
                  Same. Ever since M17 or so, he's been very good about introducing new equipment options at a solid pace. Unfortunately, I didn't notice anything new during the M21 beta, but maybe something will be announced prior to release.

                  FWIW, he's also the only member of the dev team (to my knowledge, at least) that's still pretty responsive on social media.

                  Yes to all of this. He is a really cool dude and very responsive on social media. The equipment was insanely stale before he joined and he has really done an awesome job.

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                  • ripcandlestickpark
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2014
                    • 1174

                    #10
                    Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

                    IIRC, he did an interview with Sports Gamers Online last Summer and implied that mouthpieces almost made the final cut for M20. Because of that, I'm surprised they don't appear to be in either version (current gen or next gen) of M21.

                    Sleeve textures would be a fantastic small fix. But, based on the next-gen screenshot of Brady, that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.

                    Hopefully some other small additions or changes can make it into the game this year, either at launch or via title updates. Things like Oakley visor tabs, smaller shoulder pad sizes, shooter sleeves with padding on the elbow, options for towel placement, or some of the new thigh pad designs being worn these days would be welcome.

                    For a long time, I was one of those people who couldn't have cared less about equipment in Madden, but ever since Dustin started making the in-game options a lot more up-to-date, I've been kind of obsessed with tinkering with equipment in the name of authenticity.
                    Last edited by ripcandlestickpark; 07-22-2020, 08:41 PM.
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                    • canes21
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 22892

                      #11
                      Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

                      Originally posted by ripcandlestickpark
                      IIRC, he did an interview with Sports Gamers Online last Summer and implied that mouthpieces almost made the final cut for M20. Because of that, I'm surprised they don't appear to be in either version (current gen or next gen) of M21.

                      Sleeve textures would be a fantastic small fix. But, based on the next-gen screenshot of Brady, that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon.

                      Hopefully some other small additions or changes can make it into the game this year, either at launch or via title updates. Things like Oakley visor tabs, smaller shoulder pad sizes, shooter sleeves with padding on the elbow, options for towel placement, or some of the new thigh pad designs being worn these days would be welcome.

                      For a long time, I was one of those people who couldn't have cared less about equipment in Madden, but ever since Dustin started making the in-game options a lot more up-to-date, I've been kind of obsessed with tinkering with equipment in the name of authenticity.
                      Unless we are in for a surprise, this seems par the course with the series. This was the first thing I looked for in the beta. When it was talked about potentially getting patched in last year I assumed that meant it was so close it just had to be in 21. Instead, we still don't have the mouthpieces so I guess they wasted their time for nothing?
                      “No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.”


                      ― Plato

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                      • KANE699
                        EA Sports' Equipment Guru
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 3447

                        #12
                        Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

                        I'm tryin for ya'll, I can't always get in what I want but I am steady trying.
                        Please take note that most of what I say and post is made in satire.

                        Follow me on twitter @Equipment_Guru

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                        • Iteachpercussion
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 1815

                          #13
                          Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

                          Originally posted by KANE699
                          I'm tryin for ya'll, I can't always get in what I want but I am steady trying.
                          Any time you can add classic equipment I am happy. I appreciate all of the added classic equipment for M20.

                          Besides equipment, I would love to see more classic uniform options. Such as full Home and Away styles.

                          But again, I appreciate everything you have been able to get added into the game.

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                          • l8knight1
                            BRING BACK F2000 HELMET!!
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 1185

                            #14
                            Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

                            Cowboys Retros Kane.....Cowboys retros....and as Teach said, MORE retro unis.

                            The face mask additions mid season - 20 were phenomenal. I play classic and they got me immersed in game again. Need just a few tweaks, I’m here if you need me .

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                            • 4thQtrStre5S
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 3051

                              #15
                              Re: Podcast - Behind the Ratings w/ Dustin Smith (@EquipmentGuru)

                              Excellent interview. I really believe the next two key equipment additions needs to be mouth guards and shoes. Both items create an individuality to the player. And with shoes being a way to advertise a good cause/charity/social awareness, it would be awesome to see those shoes highlighted.



                              Maybe even link to player sponsored charities in game.

                              Wanna sell some more MUT packs? Give a percentage of each purchase to an NFL player sponsored charity. Each week or each pack can support a new charity or cause.

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