QB Option Read advice

[SALonghorn]

I’m still new to running the QB Option. Specifically, the option to give the HB the ball or pulling back for the QB run

NCAA 14 has the indicator of the end defender to watch to determine to give or pull back the ball

Is there any pre-snap read to determine which to do? Feels like a split second 50/50 shot each time I try it


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[canes21]

Re: QB Option Read advice

Not much to read pre-sanp. Maybe look at alignments and see if they show pressure coming off of the side that may make you give no matter what, otherwise you just read the DE or LB at the snap. If they don't move you give, if they crash you keep.

[xCoachDx]

Re: QB Option Read advice

Not much to read pre-sanp. Maybe look at alignments and see if they show pressure coming off of the side that may make you give no matter what, otherwise you just read the DE or LB at the snap. If they don't move you give, if they crash you keep.

Note that it’s the opposite for an inverted veer. If they stay home you keep, if they crash you give.

[SALonghorn]

QB Option Read advice

Not much to read pre-sanp. Maybe look at alignments and see if they show pressure coming off of the side that may make you give no matter what, otherwise you just read the DE or LB at the snap. If they don't move you give, if they crash you keep.

The DE/LB/Db do move, even if they don’t go after the HB, they do move up/down field to protect against the QB run

I thought that was a giveaway but my QB getting crushed said it wasn’t a clue

That’s why I asked about a pre-snap read. I’ve given the ball to the HB because it looked like the DE was really wide and visa-versa when I thought the DE was too far in
Didn’t matter

Guess it just takes practice to get that split second decision to be sharp


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[JPCaveman13]

Re: QB Option Read advice

They end man will move but it's the amount of movement they do is what you key off of. Let's say the R-key is over the DE and there's no extra pressure coming behind him in this example. You snap the ball and the DE pops out of his stance and then settles into a "spy" route (standing still while watching your QB). You would press the button to give it to your HB (X or A). Same setup as before, but you snap it and this time the DE decides to take the free run all the way to your QB/HB handoff interaction. Now you'll not press anything and you'll keep it as a QB run.

There's a few little nuances that can slightly alter what you might end up doing, like if a LB or FS/SS show pressure, it may switch the key to them if they are close enough to the LoS to register a change. That would show if you did another pre-snap read (L2/LT). But if not, just see what both players are doing and key off if they crash the handoff or not.

And second, the info above is switched for running the Inverted Veer. You keep if they stay at home (spy route on the line) and give if they crash.

The easiest way I've used to remember what to do is "if the read crashes, the rush going outside gets the ball and if the read stays at home, the inside rusher gets the ball."

[Rondo is GOD]

Re: QB Option Read advice

Hold down the a button every time, assume you're going to give to the RB unless the read option player obviously sticks with the RB.

Once you figure it out its cheese/money in 14.

[SALonghorn]

Re: QB Option Read advice

Hold down the a button every time, assume you're going to give to the RB unless the read option player obviously sticks with the RB.



Once you figure it out its cheese/money in 14.

My next strategy will be to pick a spot a yard or two in front of the Read Defender. If he goes there, let the HB have it. If he moves inside, then let go of the button and run the QB

Hold down to give to HB or let go to keep with QB


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[OBinKC]

Re: QB Option Read advice

You’d think there was a pre-snap read, but it’s not that. It really is as simple as practicing it over and over again. I also found, for some reason, looking at the center during the snap and reading the DE out of the corner of my eye seemed to slow things down for me. Like I could see the DE’s direction better when I wasn’t focused directly on him. If that makes any sense.

But again, keep practicing it over and over and over. It will become second nature to you.

[GGGswim]

Re: QB Option Read advice

My next strategy will be to pick a spot a yard or two in front of the Read Defender. If he goes there, let the HB have it. If he moves inside, then let go of the button and run the QB

Hold down to give to HB or let go to keep with QB


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Running this offense for years, I'm not sure aiming for that spot in front of the read defender is the best option (pun intended).
For me, it's movement. I don't know why I 'key' differently between read/option and inverted veer, but the basic of what I'm trying to see is the lean in or stand up of the read defender.
I literally look at the inside arm of the read defender on inverted veer and jet inverted veer (that mesh point decision is lightning quick for jet!). If I see it begin to move toward center, outside runner (in this, the RB or WR) gets it.
For read/option, I'm a little more 'whole defender' watching, but its still the same. Seeing those uni ##s turn toward center, outside runner (QB) keeps it.
I go into every one of these plays prepared to hit the 'give' button.
As another poster stated, practice, practice, practice. And watch out for that read defender being the LB 3-4 yards off LOS. That's a tricky one but still the same concept.
The one I can't seem to get a handle on is the middle option. Reading that DT has just always gone over my head. Would love to have this play in my arsenal but I am absolutely terrible at the read and avoid the play like the plague.

[doncicfan77]

Re: QB Option Read advice

The one I can't seem to get a handle on is the middle option. Reading that DT has just always gone over my head. Would love to have this play in my arsenal but I am absolutely terrible at the read and avoid the play like the plague.

I really struggled with the Midline read for ages, finally figured it out recently and it's still hard to articulate it. Apparently, there's not a specific animation the DT does, unlike the way the Read Option's keyed defender has his universal stutter-step to signal a Give read. (Warning, very long-winded explanation of the Midline read incoming.)

Like you probably already know, the Midline read is 100% just a regular zone read (if the DT chases, the QB keeps and replaces [the DT], and if the DT remains, the QB hands off the reins [to the HB].) I was so terrible at making the read at first that I started thinking maybe EA just coded the read like the Inverted Veer (DE chases = QB hands off). Which was a mistake & led to the frustration that made me just give up on the play for so long

I wish I could specifically articulate what to look for, but I feel very confident that if you take it into Practice mode you can pick it up pretty quick -- this is how it was explained to me, and the lightbulb moment came quickly. I still misread it sometimes, but it doesn't bother me because it's always A) because I just make the completely wrong read, or B) it was a murky read, and I got greedy and kept it instead of just handing off & settling for the tiny 1-yard loss/gain. But it's actually become a really nice play to have once the CPU D starts overplaying the Read Option.

I think the best way to practice it would be against a 4-3 Over/Under in Practice mode, with the 3-tech as the keyed defender (so shading the RG in a 4-3 Over, or shading the LG in a 4-3 Under). I'd just put the defense in a Cover 2 Man so there's no run blitz and you have the numbers advantage with blockers (more space, easier to see what's happening on each read, etc.)

The only way I have to describe it is "hesitation" -- if the DT shows any hesitation, it's a handoff. If he books it straight for the HB, the QB keeps & replaces the DT (of course, the whole issue is that the angle he follows makes it hard to tell if he's staying or going, unlike the much wider angle of the keyed defender in the Read Option -- so you look for the hesitation instead.)

One of the hardest aspects for me was that both outcomes seemed so unintuitive -- it can go against your instinct to keep with the QB when an unblocked DT is charging right at the QB/HB mesh, but that's of course the clearest possible Keep read with the Midline. Your instincts scream "hand it off" but really you just want to use the DT's momentum against him and scurry right past his big ***. You'll be crossing the LoS by the time he's even managed to turn his shoulders back around.

OTOH, it seems equally unintuitive to hand the ball off when an unblocked DT is 3-4 yards away staring right at you, but in that case you're going the other way with the HB and catching the DT completely flat-footed.

For me, the big advantage of the Midline has been that when it's a murky read, the Give read /usually/ ends up being the correct read anyway, not just the safer bet. So having the good habit of "murky read = just hand it off" is a big help.

Of course, you don't need the Midline, just sticking to the Read Option is obviously more than good enough, haha. Just thought I'd share how I finally figured out the read since it might help somebody reading the thread way down the road.

Where it gets tricky though is that it works better against some fronts and worse against others. Which of course is true of all running plays, options or not, but the fronts that EA's Midline works against aren't necessarily the same as the ones the real-life Midline works against (I've had decent success with Midline against odd 0-tech fronts, which is completely inexplicable lol, but EA can only take their blocking physics so deep I guess). But in theory, the Midline is best run to 2-tech or 3-tech interior linemen and not so good against an Odd/Stack front.

One little thing to note is that I play with JoshC's 50-threshold sliders, so all of these points might be completely invalid with some of the more extreme slider sets. Good luck to anyone that tries to figure out the Midline though, once it clicks it will really click, I can promise that from my own experience.

[xToXiCxSAVAGEx]

Re: QB Option Read advice

The only thing I read pre-snap is if that side is overloaded (meaning there’s an end and a linebacker/cornerback outside of them).