2021-22 NBA Trade Deadline

[ojandpizza]

Might as well start this up with the Indiana news..

[georgiafan]

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@wojespn

ESPN reporting with @ZachLowe_NBA
: Philadelphia's trade conversations on Ben Simmons gathering momentum in recent days. More teams engaged, more two and three-way deal structure talks ongoing as 76ers try to land a Top 25 player for Simmons.


The Portland Trail Blazers have made clear to the 76ers that All-NBA guard Damian Lillard is not available to be discussed in trade talks and franchise has no interest in moving him, sources tell ESPN.

[ojandpizza]

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"Lakers join teams interested in Ben Simmons"... Seems like strong clickbait but in a hypothetical scenario I wonder if Westbrook was one of the 30 players that Morey listed as a return for option for Ben?

I don't think (actually pretty certain that I know) the Lakers would not trade Russ after AD and Bron supposedly wanted him, they orchestrated the move for him to "come home", etc..

But in theory that would be the best way for them to fix their issues for a few reasons.

1.) Ben's defense gives them their biggest need right now. And the fact that he is a big as he is it also gives Ben-Bron-Davis the switchability and size to not worry about needing to play DJ and Dwight as much (if at all).

2.) The contract difference - Because of the money here Lakers could aim to get back a guy like Thybulle, Green, Curry... Curry is probably the most unlikely (though he would help the Lakers the most) but money wise Simmons+Thybulle+Green would work. Not that the sixers would give up all 3 just in theory.

3.) The amount of money for 3-way trades.. The higher the outgoing salary the easier it is to match that 80% to make trades work. For example even in receiving Ben and say Thybulle the outgoing money to receive another payer drops significantly. So for guys like Jerami Grant and Myles Turner who the Lakers are also "rumored" to be interested in the only outgoing salary required is THT. So if let's say the Pistons are interested in swapping Grant for THT the Lakers don't need to also include Nunn, plus some minimum deals to pull a trade because of the larger dollars and Westbrook making so much more than Ben..

Basically the Lakers could swap Ben and THT + a min deal like DJ/Ellington/AB and get back Ben, Thybulle, Grant... In theory, not saying that is likely. Swap Thybulle with Green and they can still pull of that move by including Nunn. Swap Grant for someone they originally wanted in Buddy Hield and the trade still works. Swap it for Turner, LeVert, Eric Gordon, Christian Wood, anyone else who might be available around 20 mil and it still works.

Basically Westbrook for Ben might not move the needle a ton but the door it opens for the possibility of a 3-team deal could potentially move the needle a ton.

[Master Live 013]

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Oh so the Lakers are getting Ben and Thybulle for Westbrick? Come on. Hopefully Morey isn't on opioids.

The guy doesn't play any defense, bricks shot all over (inefficient) and his best move, going to the basket, is congested by Embiid which is the same problem that they have right now with Simmons.

[ojandpizza]

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No idea what they would trade or what they would ask for from the Lakers in addition. I was just saying money wise hence all the “in theory”.. and replace Thybulle with Green, Curry, whoever. Ultimately I think it’s more likely that the Lakers wouldn’t do the trade. Especially since the Westbrook “fit” appears to be getting better as the year goes on.

Sixers want a “star” whatever the opinion of Westbrook might be from some he might be the only star that anybody offers them. It’s easy to say “Ben and whoever” like that’s too much, but really it’s whoever and some guy that won’t even suit up for them and is causing them a bigger headache than anybody in recent memory. Plus I don’t know what they would be getting in addition to Westbrook.. first round pick, Nunn, Monk, etc. I was more so just trying to point out that Westbrook for Ben allows them back more salaries and big possibilities of getting more out of THT in an outgoing trade by doing this trade and incorporating 3 teams.

[georgiafan]

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Lakers don't even have the assets to get Grant from Detroit much less Ben. They put all their assets they had in Westbrook trade. If they had done the Hield trade then his salary might have been enough to get you a difference maker. THT + Nunn and a 1st 6 years from now isn't enough for anyone.

[illwill10]

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Oh so the Lakers are getting Ben and Thybulle for Westbrick? Come on. Hopefully Morey isn't on opioids.

The guy doesn't play any defense, bricks shot all over (inefficient) and his best move, going to the basket, is congested by Embiid which is the same problem that they have right now with Simmons.

No thank you. Westbrook is at the point where he's still good. But, probably is best suited to be a mid-tier team with no real expectations to make noise in the playoffs.

Sixers need someone who can take some of the offensive load off Joel and that can command a double team. Ideally Tobias needed to step it up this year, but he has been a disappointment. This team needs him to be a legit #2 option, but too many times he is the 3rd or 4th scorer. Last 5 games, he only attempted over 13 FGs once. He is only good for 16-22 points a game. It's either coming from 12-15 attempts or 18-20 shots. I'm all for trading him as well.

A "top 25" player is a bit much. For me, it's about fit. We don't need a few role players. Our bench is solid this year. We could use a backup PG and Furkan has had a down year after a good start at SF. Right now, improving the Wing and having another player who can create quickly for themselves. It starts with whether they want a PG/lead guard or a wing as the primary compensation. The first question is whether to stick with Maxey as the lead guard or go after a PG. Out of the realistic PG options, most cases I rather stick with Maxey. Someone like Fox, would have been a top choice in the summer. But now, I rather stick with Maxey. But, a PG I would want is Fred Vanvleet. Other question is wing. I feel wing is a the bigger question. Ideally, we need someone who can score 25-30 a night. But they would also need to be able to fit alongside Tobias. Which is why, I'm for trading Tobias. Whoever comes back, is ideally the 2nd option. I think Seth makes a better 3rd option than Tobias does.

In the end, I dont see a "top 25" player deal. I think it is more likely a 3-4 team deal. If they can get a wing and bench scorer, it can make this team better. When Shake isn't making shots, they don't have a bench scorer just floor spacers.

[georgiafan]

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You think kings are the best shoot to trade for Harris ?

[illwill10]

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You think kings are the best shoot to trade for Harris ?

I don't think I'm the best one to answer that as a Sixers fan lol. Heck, I was all for trading Tobias for Hield before the start of Last season. I'd be all for a Tobias for Hield and Bagley. Just don't know how Bagley fits alongside either Joel or Drummond. He is always good for 16-22 points and 6-8 rebounds, and is a great veteran for a young team. But taking away biases and feelings, Tobias has been our "leader" last 3 years. Is Fox-Haliburton-Barnes-Tobias-Holmes a good starting lineup.
Haven't really followed Barnes since the GS days, but feel Tobias and Barnes skills overlap and might be better suited for the same type of situation. Where Barnes is better suited to be a #2 on a bad-mid tier team. Tobias might be in the same position. Maybe he is still recovering from COVID, but this was the season for him to prove that he should be an All-Star and step up and he has disappointed.

I definitely take Hield in a 3 team deal where we get him and a starting quality SF.

[jfsolo]

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Jarrett Allen – Cleveland Cavaliers
Bruce Brown Jr – Brooklyn Nets
John Collins – Atlanta Hawks
Terence Davis – Sacramento Kings
Hamidou Diallo – Detroit Pistons
Josh Hart – New Orleans Pelicans
Richaun Holmes – Sacramento Kings
Talen Horton-Tucker – Los Angeles Lakers
Reggie Jackson – LA Clippers
Furkan Korkmaz – Philadelphia 76ers
T.J. McConnell – Indiana Pacers
Jordan McLaughlin – Minnesota Timberwolves
David Nwaba – Houston Rockets
Duncan Robinson – Miami Heat
Derrick Rose – New York Knicks
Cameron Payne – Phoenix Suns
Norman Powell – Portland Trail Blazers
Gary Trent Jr. – Toronto Raptors
Jarred Vanderbilt – Minnesota Timberwolves

All of these players are eligible to be traded on January 15th, I feel like there has to be some movement after that.

[illwill10]

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Jarrett Allen – Cleveland Cavaliers
Bruce Brown Jr – Brooklyn Nets
John Collins – Atlanta Hawks
Terence Davis – Sacramento Kings
Hamidou Diallo – Detroit Pistons
Josh Hart – New Orleans Pelicans
Richaun Holmes – Sacramento Kings
Talen Horton-Tucker – Los Angeles Lakers
Reggie Jackson – LA Clippers
Furkan Korkmaz – Philadelphia 76ers
T.J. McConnell – Indiana Pacers
Jordan McLaughlin – Minnesota Timberwolves
David Nwaba – Houston Rockets
Duncan Robinson – Miami Heat
Derrick Rose – New York Knicks
Cameron Payne – Phoenix Suns
Norman Powell – Portland Trail Blazers
Gary Trent Jr. – Toronto Raptors
Jarred Vanderbilt – Minnesota Timberwolves

All of these players are eligible to be traded on January 15th, I feel like there has to be some movement after that.

I agree. It's always best to wait until this time where it increases all trade options. Only thing that hurts trade options now is the COVID waves. It's hard to make deals that involves several players when you are not sure you will have enough players to suit up for games.

At least, we're closing in on a before deadline, so deals should start happening soon

[georgiafan]

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It feels like Atlanta is going to make a move I think Gallo is the most likely. Cam seems to be the odd man out of the wings. The rumors are it will take a legit 1st round pick for him.

[illwill10]

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I feel Kings are going to be trade partner for a Ben Simmons deal. If it's just going to be a 2 team deal, ideally I would like a package of Haliburton, Hield, and Barnes. I see Fox the same way I see McCollum, where they're "upgrades", but we already have similar players making far less in Maxey and Curry. The idea of an "All Star caliber player" is a pipe dream. At this point, go the Bucks route and just build a good team around Joel. Essentially, you're adding onto what you already have without "losing much" since Ben hasn't played yet. I can see a deal with Ben and Danny for that Kings package. But would love a Simmons and Tobias because I don't know how Tobias and Barnes would fit together. While also moving both helps with cap flexibility in future because it's easier to move other guys.
I wouldn't mind a Spurs package, but they don't typically make big trades in season. Cavs are almost out of it with both Sexton and Rubio are out of it. CJ McCollum as a headliner isn't as enticing. Most other teams would have to be a 3 team deal. Kings seems like the likely choice

[georgiafan]

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With CJ out for a long time I don't see them being a option for Portland who can't trade this years 1st as its lottery protected.

[illwill10]

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With CJ out for a long time I don't see them being a option for Portland who can't trade this years 1st as its lottery protected.

Yeah that's why I feel like Kings are the likely team ATM. With H &S Protocols not slowing down any time soon, it makes it harder to do 3 or 4 team deals with the uncertainty of available players. Only obvious 3rd team would be OKC to absorb a big contract for draft picks. I try to think of realistic non-bias trades. I don't see an Eastern conference trade unless it is the only decent offer. I don't buy waiting until the offseason. Its just that Morey's comment about a "top 25" player, is going to make it look like a settling deal. I don't want to waste a season hoping a top 15 player asks for a trade in the offseason. Like I would love a Haliburton, Hield, Barnes deal, but at this point I'm okay with even a Hield and Barnes deal. It still improves the Wing, adds more size and versatility, Hield can be the 6th man Sixers have needed for years and the 2 man actions with Embiid would be deadly.