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  • AIRJ23
    MVP
    • Apr 2021
    • 2804

    #1

    What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

    I turn “chemistry affects” down to 20-30 anyway so it doesn’t do too much, but I’m wondering which gives better gameplay? I’ve seen different people say both ways is better.

    In my latest MyNBA season every team is starting the season with abysmal chemistry even my team that one a ring is starting at 40% chemistry, which means I have to grind and win a ton to get back to 100.

    Any advice on which gives better gameplay and sim results around the league?
  • Ebpmd
    MVP
    • Dec 2013
    • 1191

    #2
    Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

    I play magic/bird era. Cpu vs cpu using MJ wizard’s roster. I turned off chemistry and got rid of all badges and the gameplay is great. Realistic scores and shot distribution.

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    • vetmin
      Pro
      • Sep 2019
      • 955

      #3
      Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

      I haven't experimented enough to be sure (I've always just turned it off), but I've seen people here say that it affects the crispness with which CPU players execute plays or gameplans. So high team chemistry will have players running their routes as designed, whereas low chemistry will have them doing more braindead CPU stuff.

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      • dwayne12345
        MVP
        • Dec 2010
        • 1407

        #4
        Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

        Team Chemistry is pretty self-explanatory imo. If it's on then there is a team chemistry rating between 0%-100%.

        There is also a team chemistry effects. If that is also on a team with low chemistry will see player's ratings decreased and teams with high chemistry will see player's ratings increased.

        Teams lose chemistry when they make roster moves and lose games. They gain chemistry when their core has been together for years and win games.

        Not sure why people turn it off? It's a pretty realistic feature that simulates a player performing worst on low chem teams and players on high chemistry teams overplaying.

        Think this year's Miami Heat or the 2000's-2010's Spurs as what high chemistry looks like.

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        • vetmin
          Pro
          • Sep 2019
          • 955

          #5
          Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

          Originally posted by dwayne12345
          Team Chemistry is pretty self-explanatory imo. If it's on then there is a team chemistry rating between 0%-100%.

          There is also a team chemistry effects. If that is also on a team with low chemistry will see player's ratings decreased and teams with high chemistry will see player's ratings increased.

          Teams lose chemistry when they make roster moves and lose games. They gain chemistry when their core has been together for years and win games.

          Not sure why people turn it off? It's a pretty realistic feature that simulates a player performing worst on low chem teams and players on high chemistry teams overplaying.

          Think this year's Miami Heat or the 2000's-2010's Spurs as what high chemistry looks like.
          I turn it off for two reasons:

          - ‘Roster moves & losing = bad’ and vice versa is totally unrealistic. Real teams often trade guys away precisely because they’re poisonous to team chemistry. Also, rookie Anthony Edwards totally souring on the Wolves franchise after losing a bunch his rookie year is not realistic. Winning is valued differently based on a team’s timeline.

          - The actual on-court 2K hoops is most important, so if low chemistry results in unrealistically dumb basketball by the CPU, then it’s not worth it.

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          • dwayne12345
            MVP
            • Dec 2010
            • 1407

            #6
            Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

            Originally posted by vetmin
            I turn it off for two reasons:

            - ‘Roster moves & losing = bad’ and vice versa is totally unrealistic. Real teams often trade guys away precisely because they’re poisonous to team chemistry. Also, rookie Anthony Edwards totally souring on the Wolves franchise after losing a bunch his rookie year is not realistic. Winning is valued differently based on a team’s timeline.

            - The actual on-court 2K hoops is most important, so if low chemistry results in unrealistically dumb basketball by the CPU, then it’s not worth it.
            I see what you're saying. For me it's kind of one of the only ways you can simulate the unpredictability of a super team like the 2010-2011 Miami Heat starting off 9-8 and then winning 12 in a row. Or more recently the embarrassing catastrophe that was my Brooklyn Nets' big three, becoming the Mikal Bridges show.

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            • AIRJ23
              MVP
              • Apr 2021
              • 2804

              #7
              Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

              Originally posted by dwayne12345
              Team Chemistry is pretty self-explanatory imo. If it's on then there is a team chemistry rating between 0%-100%.

              There is also a team chemistry effects. If that is also on a team with low chemistry will see player's ratings decreased and teams with high chemistry will see player's ratings increased.

              Teams lose chemistry when they make roster moves and lose games. They gain chemistry when their core has been together for years and win games.

              Not sure why people turn it off? It's a pretty realistic feature that simulates a player performing worst on low chem teams and players on high chemistry teams overplaying.

              Think this year's Miami Heat or the 2000's-2010's Spurs as what high chemistry looks like.
              So the question then is, is chemistry off exactly like 100% chemistry? Or does on/off give entirely different AI?

              I’d like to keep it on but in my new MyNBA season every team is starting with like 25% chemistry for some reason. Some teams have 0% chemistry! Lol. So obviously it’s now bugged and unrealistic.

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              • EccentricMeat
                MVP
                • Aug 2011
                • 3242

                #8
                Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

                Originally posted by vetmin
                I turn it off for two reasons:

                - ‘Roster moves & losing = bad’ and vice versa is totally unrealistic. Real teams often trade guys away precisely because they’re poisonous to team chemistry. Also, rookie Anthony Edwards totally souring on the Wolves franchise after losing a bunch his rookie year is not realistic. Winning is valued differently based on a team’s timeline.

                - The actual on-court 2K hoops is most important, so if low chemistry results in unrealistically dumb basketball by the CPU, then it’s not worth it.

                You’re describing morale, not chemistry. Anthony Edwards’ morale would be affected by losing, not by low chemistry. Low chem just drops OVR ratings.

                The best balance IMO would be to make Chemistry extremely important while making morale far less so, to avoid the situation you mentioned with rookies souring on their teams right away for losing.
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                • vetmin
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2019
                  • 955

                  #9
                  Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

                  Originally posted by EccentricMeat
                  You’re describing morale, not chemistry. Anthony Edwards’ morale would be affected by losing, not by low chemistry. Low chem just drops OVR ratings.
                  Admittedly I always play without both (chem off and morale as unimpactful as possible), so yeah maybe I'm conflating some things. Thanks for clarifying.

                  The best balance IMO would be to make Chemistry extremely important while making morale far less so, to avoid the situation you mentioned with rookies souring on their teams right away for losing.
                  In your opinion, is there any credence to the idea that chemistry affects gameplay in ways that go beyond realism (like the CPU being stupidly hot or stupidly stupid), or do you find that even with chemistry 'extremely important' the gameplay stays within a reasonable zone regardless of chemistry? Just curious because I'd genuinely like to use these mechanics (while supervising on 30-team control) for what value they may bring. I've just always heard negative things.

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                  • EccentricMeat
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 3242

                    #10
                    Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

                    Originally posted by vetmin
                    Admittedly I always play without both (chem off and morale as unimpactful as possible), so yeah maybe I'm conflating some things. Thanks for clarifying.



                    In your opinion, is there any credence to the idea that chemistry affects gameplay in ways that go beyond realism (like the CPU being stupidly hot or stupidly stupid), or do you find that even with chemistry 'extremely important' the gameplay stays within a reasonable zone regardless of chemistry? Just curious because I'd genuinely like to use these mechanics (while supervising on 30-team control) for what value they may bring. I've just always heard negative things.
                    While I can't say for certain as I've never done that kind of in-depth gameplay testing to compare in-game decision making by the AI on high chem teams compared to low-chem teams, my assumption is that 2K wouldn't/couldn't code in that kind of artificial intelligence in the game. I think it's safe to take the setting at face value and know it just boosts or lowers player ratings depending on how high/low team chemistry is, and that those changes in player ratings are all that you experience in-game.
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                    • dwayne12345
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 1407

                      #11
                      Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

                      It's hard to say if it's chem or confirmation bias, but I do notice my own team's CPU making braindead mistakes when I have bad chemistry vs high chem (playing HOF with Awareness all the way up). I see missed defensive assignments, players just not hitting their spots tightly on plays, and losing loose ball battles more frequently.

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                      • AIRJ23
                        MVP
                        • Apr 2021
                        • 2804

                        #12
                        Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

                        Originally posted by dwayne12345
                        It's hard to say if it's chem or confirmation bias, but I do notice my own team's CPU making braindead mistakes when I have bad chemistry vs high chem (playing HOF with Awareness all the way up). I see missed defensive assignments, players just not hitting their spots tightly on plays, and losing loose ball battles more frequently.
                        That makes sense. Have you tried it with chemistry off entirely to compare?

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                        • dwayne12345
                          MVP
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 1407

                          #13
                          Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

                          Originally posted by AIRJ23
                          That makes sense. Have you tried it with chemistry off entirely to compare?
                          I haven't but it's really so hard to say without a dev clearly stating the effects. It's hard to know what is chemistry vs momentum

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                          • Da_Czar
                            NBA 2K Gameplay Producer, Offensive AI System - SIM NATION
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 5408

                            #14
                            Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

                            Originally posted by dwayne12345
                            Team Chemistry is pretty self-explanatory imo. If it's on then there is a team chemistry rating between 0%-100%.

                            There is also a team chemistry effects. If that is also on a team with low chemistry will see player's ratings decreased and teams with high chemistry will see player's ratings increased.

                            Teams lose chemistry when they make roster moves and lose games. They gain chemistry when their core has been together for years and win games.

                            Not sure why people turn it off? It's a pretty realistic feature that simulates a player performing worst on low chem teams and players on high chemistry teams overplaying.

                            Think this year's Miami Heat or the 2000's-2010's Spurs as what high chemistry looks like.
                            Nice breakdown. Along with that there is a bonus in the shot calculation for players with chemistry and a bit of a knock on players with lower chemistry.
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                            • AIRJ23
                              MVP
                              • Apr 2021
                              • 2804

                              #15
                              Re: What does “chemistry on/off” on MyNBA ACTUALLY do? Which is better?

                              Originally posted by Da_Czar
                              Nice breakdown. Along with that there is a bonus in the shot calculation for players with chemistry and a bit of a knock on players with lower chemistry.
                              Good to know and thanks!

                              I’m wondering, if team chemistry is off, does that mean all teams play like 100% chemistry? Or is chemistry off different from chemistry on and at 100%?

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