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  • thescoop
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    • Jan 2006
    • 1288

    #1

    On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

    So I did my rebuild programs list on another post. I decided to another one but this will be on the verge schools. Honorable mentions from that can and will make this list because I think this is where they belong.

    10. Notre Dame - The first three represent "honorable mentions" on my rebuilds. One could argue that Norte Dame is already a power since they have made the playoffs more recently. That's why I have them lowest on the list. But they have no title since 88 and while good, can't get over the hump.

    9. Penn State - Another one that is good but can't get over the hump. Getting Penn State to dethrone Ohio State and Michigan would a lot of fun.

    8. Tennessee - The Vols have been on an upswing as of late but still haven't gotten back to a SEC title game. The have a rich history and bringing them back could be fun.

    7. Oklahoma State - Are they the clear front runner of the Big 12 now that Texas and OU have left for the SEC? Maybe you can make sure they run the place.

    6. Louisville - Right on the verge is seems all the time. Maybe you can be the one to get them to finally make that jump. And the new 17 member ACC would be a fun challenge.

    5. Iowa - This team has been in the fight a few times but can't seem to become a power. And you get the cool wave at the children's hospial animation for every home game.

    4. Auburn - Take on Alabama right in their own backyard. This one might be a challenge but Auburn has climbed that mountain before. Can you make them the dominate team of the state?

    3. Florida - The Gators have been trying to claw back since Urban Meyer left. The program has been stuck in the middle of the pack. Can you be the guy to get them back to the promise land?

    2. Wisconsin - Always in the hunt but can't seem to get in the national titel race. Expanded playoffs could help. Maybe you can become the team in the Big 10.

    1. Ole Miss - This program is on the rise and has a lot of hope and expectations going into this season. They could be a lot of fun to control and push them over the hump. They are on the verge it seems but we've heard that before. Maybe you can finally make it happen.

    Any thoughts on your "on the verge" schools? I most likely will do another post for "next tier" schools that aren't really rebuilds but haven't knocked through. No point in doing a non-power five list on this one because in the current landscape, if you're not Power Five,(Power Four now? Force of habit sayinf Five.) you're not on the verge.
    Last edited by thescoop; 06-06-2024, 11:58 AM.
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  • noarmsduck
    Pro
    • Mar 2010
    • 980

    #2
    Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

    Notre Dame is not a power school IRL but I expect them to play like one in the game. We should have a great defense next year, so I expect that rating to translate into the game. The skill positions on offense (and most of the O line) are unproven guys though so that part my be a little bit of a challenge.

    I'm not sure who our starter at QB will be yet, but Leonard will likely have a mid 80s rating if I had to guess. Angeli played very well in the bowl game and in the spring game, but I have no idea how EA will rate him.

    So I expect ND to have an elite defense and a decent offense in game. On top of that if past games are any indication they will recruit like a power school.

    EDIT: Also if I get the game I'm putting all the Pac 12 schools back in that conference, and Notre Dame is going into the Big 10, so that will be fun trying to get them to dethrone OSU and Michigan as well as compete with PSU who also has similar goals.

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    • thescoop
      MVP
      • Jan 2006
      • 1288

      #3
      Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

      Originally posted by noarmsduck
      Notre Dame is not a power school IRL but I expect them to play like one in the game. We should have a great defense next year, so I expect that rating to translate into the game. The skill positions on offense (and most of the O line) are unproven guys though so that part my be a little bit of a challenge.

      I'm not sure who our starter at QB will be yet, but Leonard will likely have a mid 80s rating if I had to guess. Angeli played very well in the bowl game and in the spring game, but I have no idea how EA will rate him.

      So I expect ND to have an elite defense and a decent offense in game. On top of that if past games are any indication they will recruit like a power school.

      EDIT: Also if I get the game I'm putting all the Pac 12 schools back in that conference, and Notre Dame is going into the Big 10, so that will be fun trying to get them to dethrone OSU and Michigan as well as compete with PSU who also has similar goals.
      That can be fun. Have we heard if we can create a conference? Or will you be changing one of the non power conferences to the PAC 12?
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      • noarmsduck
        Pro
        • Mar 2010
        • 980

        #4
        Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

        Originally posted by thescoop
        That can be fun. Have we heard if we can create a conference? Or will you be changing one of the non power conferences to the PAC 12?
        From what I've read we cannot create a conference or change the names of conferences in the game. However the Pac 12 is in the game with 2 schools in it, so we can transfer schools to that conference.

        And I have no source on this so take it with a grain of salt, but I've seen a few posts on here claiming we could bring back the Big East so that would suggest the assets for that conference are in the game and EA has the rights to them. I have no idea what conferences EA has the rights to aside from the current Power 4 plus Group of 5 conferences plus the Pac 12.

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        • thescoop
          MVP
          • Jan 2006
          • 1288

          #5
          Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

          I thought I read we could rename conferences but I'm not sure. I didn't realize there'd be a "PAC 2" in the game. LOL
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          • GoDucks1224
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            • Jul 2012
            • 2623

            #6
            Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

            Had conflicting messaging on the conference thing. Some guys said you can recreate the Big East. Others said you can't change names of conferences or delete them. So we'll have to get some real confirmation on that. I don't know if I trust people besides Matt Brown anymore with the way some of them have conflicted each other lol. Also, the PAC2 will still be called the PAC12. It hasn't ceased to exist yet. By this time next year, that could be different. But they have already discussed and are negotiating a 'football alliance' with the Sun Belt for scheduling in 2025. So we'll see what happens.

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            • georgiafan
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jul 2002
              • 11099

              #7
              Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

              To me this would be a 4* school if they are going off the old system of 1-6* programs. To me a ranked like top 20 at a power school would fall into the elite status even if they are 5* and not 6*.

              I divided mine up in the other thread like this

              Power Schools - Quick Rebuilds

              3. North Carolina - You've got a elite HB and a recent history of good QB's. You can win the ACC right away and I also like the uniforms. Carolina produce a good amount of recruits and depending on the rules maybe you can join the SEC in a few years.

              2. South Carolina - Never won and your in the SEC also your spot in the pecking order just got lowered by 2. A good recruiting area in the south. The reason you want to get them is incoming freak Nyck Harbor who ran faster then Tyreek Hill at 6'5 240.

              1. Florida - You have a true freshman QB that's a stud and a brutal schedule. Recruiting is easy in Florida and close to Georgia.


              Mid Tier

              3. Liberty - I put them here because you have a QB returning who passed for 2,700 yards and rushed for 1,000. Who I think you could potential get 2 years out of. I've heard they will have a fun playbook and won a bunch of games last year. They are also in a good spot for recruiting not all that far from Ohio or the SEC schools

              2. Stanford - Might have to come up with some in house rules for the academics and joining the ACC gives you a fresh look

              1. SMU - Depending on how NIL works could be them over the top with boosters. You could bring a run heavy offense and bring back the glory days. They are also in the ACC now a winnable conference. Home state in Texas for recruiting
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              • thescoop
                MVP
                • Jan 2006
                • 1288

                #8
                Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

                Originally posted by GoDucks1224
                Had conflicting messaging on the conference thing. Some guys said you can recreate the Big East. Others said you can't change names of conferences or delete them. So we'll have to get some real confirmation on that. I don't know if I trust people besides Matt Brown anymore with the way some of them have conflicted each other lol. Also, the PAC2 will still be called the PAC12. It hasn't ceased to exist yet. By this time next year, that could be different. But they have already discussed and are negotiating a 'football alliance' with the Sun Belt for scheduling in 2025. So we'll see what happens.
                I'm aware it will still be the PAC12, much like the BIG 10 stayed 10 even though they had 12 and the Big 12 remained 12 even though they only had 10 back in the day. LOL The numbers haven't matter in a long time. But I'm gonna call them the PAC2! LOL
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                • thescoop
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 1288

                  #9
                  Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

                  Originally posted by georgiafan
                  To me this would be a 4* school if they are going off the old system of 1-6* programs. To me a ranked like top 20 at a power school would fall into the elite status even if they are 5* and not 6*.

                  I divided mine up in the other thread like this

                  Power Schools - Quick Rebuilds

                  3. North Carolina - You've got a elite HB and a recent history of good QB's. You can win the ACC right away and I also like the uniforms. Carolina produce a good amount of recruits and depending on the rules maybe you can join the SEC in a few years.

                  2. South Carolina - Never won and your in the SEC also your spot in the pecking order just got lowered by 2. A good recruiting area in the south. The reason you want to get them is incoming freak Nyck Harbor who ran faster then Tyreek Hill at 6'5 240.

                  1. Florida - You have a true freshman QB that's a stud and a brutal schedule. Recruiting is easy in Florida and close to Georgia.


                  Mid Tier

                  3. Liberty - I put them here because you have a QB returning who passed for 2,700 yards and rushed for 1,000. Who I think you could potential get 2 years out of. I've heard they will have a fun playbook and won a bunch of games last year. They are also in a good spot for recruiting not all that far from Ohio or the SEC schools

                  2. Stanford - Might have to come up with some in house rules for the academics and joining the ACC gives you a fresh look

                  1. SMU - Depending on how NIL works could be them over the top with boosters. You could bring a run heavy offense and bring back the glory days. They are also in the ACC now a winnable conference. Home state in Texas for recruiting
                  I debated UNC and South Carolina. Definitely a good case for both. The other three you had i had all of them in my "rebuild" thread. I decided not to include anyone from that list. I guess you could agrue that Library and SMU might not be rebuilds but I put them in that group. I will be doing a (Next tier list at some point too.
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                  • richmondn96
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                    • Aug 2010
                    • 566

                    #10
                    Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

                    Oregon is looked at as a "front runner" dynasty choice but they have never gotten over the hump and now they have to grind through the Big Ten.

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                    • GoDucks1224
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                      • Jul 2012
                      • 2623

                      #11
                      Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

                      Originally posted by richmondn96
                      Oregon is looked at as a "front runner" dynasty choice but they have never gotten over the hump and now they have to grind through the Big Ten.
                      I guess it depends on your definition of rebuild. Ole Miss probably doesn't belong on this list with the others, considering they're also competing for a national title in year one. But I think with the strength of Oregon's recruiting classes, and the fact that we've lost 3 games by a combined score of 9 points (excluding Georgia) over the last 2 seasons.. I'd have a hard time recommending them to anyone looking for a rebuild, or even a mid tier rebuild.
                      Last edited by GoDucks1224; 06-06-2024, 06:25 PM.

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                      • richmondn96
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                        • Aug 2010
                        • 566

                        #12
                        Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

                        Originally posted by GoDucks1224
                        I guess it depends on your definition of rebuild. Ole Miss probably doesn't belong on this list with the others, considering they're also competing for a national title in year one. But I think with the strength of Oregon's recruiting classes, and the fact that we've lost 3 games by a combined score of 9 points (excluding Georgia) over the last 2 seasons.. I'd have a hard time recommending them to anyone looking for a rebuild, or even a mid tier rebuild.
                        I agree, they aren't a rebuild. I was calling them an "on the verge" team.

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                        • cookies00
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                          #13
                          Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

                          Penn State is a perfect example of those mid tier teams with a notable brand.. hard to conquer Michigan and Ohio State, and now have added competition with the expanded conference.

                          I’m definitely leaning towards a Penn State, or similar higher profile school trying to recapture their glory. Florida seems a step or two of an easier dynasty team than PSU.

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                          • thescoop
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 1288

                            #14
                            Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

                            Originally posted by GoDucks1224
                            I guess it depends on your definition of rebuild. Ole Miss probably doesn't belong on this list with the others, considering they're also competing for a national title in year one. But I think with the strength of Oregon's recruiting classes, and the fact that we've lost 3 games by a combined score of 9 points (excluding Georgia) over the last 2 seasons.. I'd have a hard time recommending them to anyone looking for a rebuild, or even a mid tier rebuild.
                            Ole Miss isn't a power yet. And that's what this list is for. This isn't a rebuild list. And since they haven't won a title since the early 1960s (Both SEC and National) I think they fit by the standard I was going for.

                            Ole Miss might be easier to achive, but the list is an "on the verge" list. I have a rebuild list wich you can view here: https://forums.operationsports.com/f...ball-25-a.html

                            Next week, I'll be doing a middle tier list that will have more programs with longer to go but the point of this one was schools that aren't powers yet but you won't have to work as hard to get them there. Hope that helps you get what I was going for.
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                            • Ghost Of The Year
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                              #15
                              Re: On the Verge: Not a Rebuild But Not Yet a Power Schools

                              I guess Syracuse is a rebuild. We were in a bowl game last year but who wasnt. In fact we we werent really "in" the game, lost 45 to zip. But we still arent as bad as Pitt or Virginia. Still, a lot of work to do to just get to the verge.
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