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LBzrule · 02-05-2004, 06:19 PM

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Blue_Monkey said:
Notice before hand that I DON'T want offensive domination and that this concerns both human and CPU players.
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If you've played this game you know that the catches are very slow, defenders know where the ball will be instantly when the ball is released and that defenders have inhuman tackle abilities. The catch is so slow that you don't have time to make a move before you're tackled. This means that to get longer than 5 yard completions you and the CPU have to always get those yards in the air. If you want a 12 yard completion the ball has to travel 12 yards in the air.

Inhuman tackle abilities mean that physical laws don't matter at all. A defender is able to go to a tackle animation no matter what his speed or angle is. It doesn't matter how fast the ball carrier is going or what directional moves he makes either. Defenders are like missiles.

In reality, often the defender can't even attempt a tackle in the OPEN FIELD unless he's got some help. He has to let the ball carrier come to him and then attempt to drag him down. What the ball carrier does here is the key cause the defender simply waits his move and tryes to react. The defender cannot just run full speed towards the ball carrier and then perform a text book tackle unless he's off balance. This is the way to get beat bad. Swarming around the ball carrier right after the catch is the only way to be able to stop him right there. Remember that this only concerns catches that are made in space with time to move after the catch. Now if only the catches in space would be faster.

What comes to ball carrier moves, being able to make quick sharp cut back moves would be a great start if defenders had to react to these moves by some sort of momentum laws. The right thumb stick has potential here. We could see the stop-and-go running that football players use in the middle of defenders.

When you say defenders have inhuman tackling abilities the same is being said about the guys on offense they also defy the laws of physics and what you say while is true in some cases it isn't true in all cases. All you have to do is have the defense running cover 3 zone and have the WR running a Corner route. Pass it to him, then hit the Y button (shoulder charge on Xbox) and the defender won't even TRY to tackle him and can be right in front of him or right beside him. Trust me some people are EXPERTS on the stick and that's not to say you are a slouch, but if they get what you are asking then we are REALLY in trouble. Plus as a Wide Receiver you can stiff arm a LB into the damn ground.

You are right in reality often a defender cannot attempt to tackling in the open field, but there are other times in the OPEN FIELD that he CAN and DOES.

02-05-2004, 06:19 PM	#2
LBzrule Hall Of Fame OVR: 40 Join Date: Jul 2002 Blog Entries: 8	Re: Running after catch game needs serious work. Quote: *Blue_Monkey said:* Notice before hand that I DON'T want offensive domination and that this concerns both human and CPU players. ---------------------------------------------------- If you've played this game you know that the catches are very slow, defenders know where the ball will be instantly when the ball is released and that defenders have inhuman tackle abilities. The catch is so slow that you don't have time to make a move before you're tackled. This means that to get longer than 5 yard completions you and the CPU have to always get those yards in the air. If you want a 12 yard completion the ball has to travel 12 yards in the air. Inhuman tackle abilities mean that physical laws don't matter at all. A defender is able to go to a tackle animation no matter what his speed or angle is. It doesn't matter how fast the ball carrier is going or what directional moves he makes either. Defenders are like missiles. In reality, often the defender can't even attempt a tackle in the OPEN FIELD unless he's got some help. He has to let the ball carrier come to him and then attempt to drag him down. What the ball carrier does here is the key cause the defender simply waits his move and tryes to react. The defender cannot just run full speed towards the ball carrier and then perform a text book tackle unless he's off balance. This is the way to get beat bad. Swarming around the ball carrier right after the catch is the only way to be able to stop him right there. Remember that this only concerns catches that are made in space with time to move after the catch. Now if only the catches in space would be faster. What comes to ball carrier moves, being able to make quick sharp cut back moves would be a great start if defenders had to react to these moves by some sort of momentum laws. The right thumb stick has potential here. We could see the stop-and-go running that football players use in the middle of defenders. When you say defenders have inhuman tackling abilities the same is being said about the guys on offense they also defy the laws of physics and what you say while is true in some cases it isn't true in all cases. All you have to do is have the defense running cover 3 zone and have the WR running a Corner route. Pass it to him, then hit the Y button (shoulder charge on Xbox) and the defender won't even TRY to tackle him and can be right in front of him or right beside him. Trust me some people are EXPERTS on the stick and that's not to say you are a slouch, but if they get what you are asking then we are REALLY in trouble. Plus as a Wide Receiver you can stiff arm a LB into the damn ground. You are right in reality often a defender cannot attempt to tackling in the open field, but there are other times in the OPEN FIELD that he CAN and DOES.