At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

[Ownal0t]

Why does 2k feel the need to Reward people for being lazy ? Yes i know there ways to beat offballers, but WHY do we have to find a workaround and change up our whole game to cater to a guy being a ****.

the thing is i dont think anything could be done to stop people from being lazy and what not. but its just annoying i played 5 online matches today. and i faced 3 offballers. how to people have fun sitting there and watchign their tv, then play the fun side of the game?

and nothing is worse when they get on the mic. " LOOK AT THAT D" "FIRST TEAM ALL DEFENSE" " LOL IM AWESOME"

NO! this is just ughhhh <_<

[Cowboyfan_19]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Because 2k has made the open jumpshot a ridiculously high % shot for open shots after a zig zag for whatever reason after the latest patch. I used to always play on-ball D, but now I only play on ball D on the C and PF (assuming they can't shoot 3s).

I've tried and tried to manually guard the Curry and the Harden zig zaggers, but the lag combined with the slow reactions anyway = destined for failure.

[itsOTTOmatic]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

I use the center.... U definitely can't be lazy in this regard as if u are, u can get torched in the paint and also from offensive rebounds


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[10]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

What's the alternative though? If they make ai defenders terrible on any difficulty level what happens in offline games? They aren't rewarding people for being lazy, people are just being lazy. Ai does do a decent job of guarding the zig zag though. It's really not even that hard to beat ai defenders at any difficulty. Isos won't work as well but good ball movement and using plays/pnr's creates plenty of good looks on offense.

Also on ball d is actually rewarded, user contested shots are less likely to go in. Problem is the user not 2k

[painter]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

WHY do we have to find a workaround and change up our whole game...

how to people have fun sitting there and watchign their tv, then play the fun side of the game?

Because this is nba2k, not nba street. Simulation basketball, where you run plays and use your entire team to score. Off ball defenders read and defend plays and players and try to counter the offensive sets being run. Don't get upset with them if you want to play 1on1 ball and they want to play nba sim-style basketball.

Run some plays, try and beat their entire team using your entire team.
ie: If you know which player your opponent is guarding, run a play for him and try and get an open look.

Just to clarify though, how do you see them being "rewarded"?

[2_headedmonster]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

I always get a kick out of on-ball warriors.

[Ownal0t]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Because this is nba2k, not nba street. Simulation basketball, where you run plays and use your entire team to score. Off ball defenders read and defend plays and players and try to counter the offensive sets being run. Don't get upset with them if you want to play 1on1 ball and they want to play nba sim-style basketball.

Run some plays, try and beat their entire team using your entire team.
ie: If you know which player your opponent is guarding, run a play for him and try and get an open look.

Just to clarify though, how do you see them being "rewarded"?

LOL AT THE BOLD. You're serious? this is probably the case of 1 or of 10 people off balling online. i just played 4 consecutive games online where offball was being played ( i won 3 of them)

so tell me if they wana play "simulation Ball" , tell me why when i switch to the guy they are offballing with they run to the next possible defender to avoid getting a stop for them self. tell me why are these same "Simulation players" zig zagging, shooting ill advised 3s the first chance they get and not trying to run a offense. like if you do it so be it, but dont run that BS as a excuse why other do.

they getting rewarded with undeserved stops while they just watch the game play for them. if i wanted to play the CPU, i play myleague.

im not saying that you cant beat offballers. hell its funny to watch them **** themselves when they see a PnR in action LMAO, im just saying why does 2k allow them to do this **** .

[tetoleetd]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

playing on ball or off ball doesnt make you "sim" or "cheese". you have 5 players to control on defense. if you are only controlling 1 without switching off to help here and there, then you're just doing yourself a disservice.

as long as you aren't doing cheesy double teams and playing passing lanes like a cheeser, i couldnt care less if you play off ball d.

[LO6IX]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Off ball defense is effective because of the terrible floor spacing, terrible floaty, slow passes, terrible catching and what I like to call 'the halfway contest'(When you get an open shot the defender sprints at you and bumps you midway through your shot causing you to miss. Should be a foul everytime)
Combine that with zone and it becomes even more annoying.


There may be some hope for 2K16 though. They're trying to go competitive and they MIGHT have to clean up their game

[malekem]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Guys play ON BALL D!

[itchyroll_51]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Hmmm.... 2K allows the option for users to do many things and some people either use them correctly or abuse them.

Now when i play a game of 2K i play to win. I could care less what the other guy does, I am in it to beat him my way vs his way. Now i understand why you are frustrated facing lower skilled players with inferior tactics; my suggestion to you would be to play high skill level players. Online randoms are going to be bad, join a sim league and all your worries would be over.

I don't like online head to head, that game mode worsens me as a player even if i win 10 in a row. If you want good basketball stay away from it and join a sim league. Or post a challenge on here for a sim game and i am sure someone will answer the call ^_^

Sam Pham

[Chris Smoove]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Out of all the games I've played online in My Team this year, maybe 2-3 of those games people were playing on ball defense. Practically everyone you play will control someone away from the ball. It's silly because you go online to play against other people not to play against the CPU.

It's really all about winning. On ball defense is not easy and most people would rather get a few extra wins than have more fun by truly going head to head. The thing that kills me are settings like "automatic shot contest" Online, there should be no such setting. If you want to contest then you need to hit Y/Triangle to jump yourself.

2K needs to give us full off ball offensive controls again. That way we can move players around at will. Somebody is playing deny ball defense in the corner? Make him cut back door for the lob. Let us manually go around screens off the ball like Ray Allen style. That would be fun and experienced gamers would have more tools at their disposal to dominate the off ball strategy.

The most important thing you can do though is play my career on hall of fame. Practicing against the CPU cheese offline will teach you how to get by the CPU. Online the difficulty is never high so you will have it really easy beating them. I've learned how to consistently beat the CPU off the dribble, in the post, with pick and rolls etc so it doesn't even matter if people are playing off ball. It would be much more fun though to play against people that play like me though.

It really comes down to people wanting to win. Thats why people use cheesy tactics just to give them an edge to compete because they aren't good enough otherwise.

[Scramz718]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

It's really all about winning. On ball defense is not easy and most people would rather get a few extra wins than have more fun by truly going head to head. The thing that kills me are settings like "automatic shot contest" Online, there should be no such setting. If you want to contest then you need to hit Y/Triangle to jump yourself.

One of devs said on tweeter Auto contest won't be in 2k16. That's just a silly feature that had no place in online play. Playing on ball D is a skill that most ppl aren't willing to learn. Like you said it's much easier to play off ball.





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[jk31]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

Problem with Offball Defense is the same as with other cheese things:

As a new player you can either choose the difficult way of learning how to ball or choose the easy way, meaning learn to cheese. The peak of how good you can be is much higher if you learn how to ball. But the problem here is, that by learning cheap moves like offball defense and what not else you will still be quite good.

If people would get beaten to a pulp everytime by using those cheap moves, would anyone doubt those people would gladly want to learn how to win? I absolutely think so. But it is much easier for a beginner to rely on cheap moves than to actually learn the game the hard way.

Hard to describe what I mean, but I hope you get what I'm saying?

[2ksinceday1]

Re: At the cost of sounding horrible, Why is offball Defense Rewarded?

actually the absolute truth is because of online lag!!!!! I've been playing 2k since the dream cast days, and I remember there was always some sim dudes and people complaining about on ball defense. You have 5 dudes on the court you should be using all of them. Remember rebounding and positioning happens before the shot. Reading passing lanes and sending help defense are all off ball anticipation tactics that are used just like in real life!!!actually 2k has taken a lot of intercepting the pass out because of people complaining. I used to be great at that. Does anyone ever notice they don't even allow you to full court press and trap any more. I used to blow people out by 30 with the traps and presses!! You can just walk right by it now. That's 2k making sure that the games are close so no one gets blown out. Keeps everyone happy and PLAYING THE GAME. That's right my friends its A GAAAAMMMMEEEEE!! Want to really play on ball Defense go to the park and really play some on ball Defense on a human being you lazzzy f ugi buggy nerdy greasy pug boy!!
Ohh yeah back to the subject, its because of online lag. I mean if on ball defense was that effective like it should be then this wouldn't even be a thread everyone would use it. If I'm playing on ball defense and it feels like the offense player has jets on his feet and me the defender feels like I'm stuck in quicksand or wet cement. Then no ill pass on on ball. ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG ZIG ZAG
Yeah like I said I'll PASS!!!! Truth is they don't want you to play defense think about it they took out last years defense the 1-3-1 because they said it was 2 cheesy. They took out effective traps and presses, on ball defense is like making love to ant. (Its just not going to work) They want both people racking up the points and games being close to the end. Defense is bad for business. People getting blown out and throwing the game in the trash is bad for business. Slam dunks and alley oops and 7'2 pgs and the park is good for business. Its all about the money follow the money my friends and you figure out a lot about life. One thing I never did was fooolloowww the grammar po-lice