06-30-2005, 01:56 PM | #1 | ||
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80's Historical League
With all but a couple of ownership spots filled, it's time to bring together everyone to start informing owners and discuss any start up issues that there may be with the league.
For starters, here's the league structure that we'll be using: AFC North Baltimore Colts Cincinnati Bengals Cleveland Browns Pittsburgh Steelers AFC South Arizona Outlaws Houston Oilers Jacksonville Bulls Memphis Showboats AFC East Buffalo Bills Miami Dolphins New England Patriots New York Jets AFC West Denver Broncos Kansas City Chiefs Oakland Raiders San Diego Chargers NFC North Chicago Bears Detroit Lions Green Bay Packers Minnesota Vikings NFC South Atlanta Falcons Birmingham Stallions New Orleans Saints Tampa Bay Buccaneers NFC East Dallas Cowboys New York Giants Philadelphia Eagles Washington Redskins NFC West Los Angeles Rams San Francisco 49ers Seattle Seahawks St. Louis Cardinals As you can see, I've replaced the four post-1980 expansion teams with USFL teams. It seemed more appropriate than to fast forward and include teams that would not be created for another 10-20 years. Starting Rosters The league will start with an allocation draft that uses the 1980 roster file that theclassic created and made available at the end of May. For subsequent years, we'll use the draft files that are available at the FOF Historical Society Allocation Draft Our allocation draft will consist of 20-30 rounds of manual drafting using an online draft app, with the rest of the rosters filled out by switching the draft over to AI controlled within the game. You'll have input in to these automatic rounds by submitting a preference file (something which most MP leagues have used for their entire draft). My initial thought on the cutoff point between manual and automatic are to approach it when (if) a time comes in the draft process that things are looking like they are slowing down. League Schedule We'll have two games a week, with sims occurring on Mondays and Thursdays. Mid Week stages will be due on Tuesdays and Fridays (for those of you with no MP experience, I'll break down what is expected for each of these days once we get on our site) Site Speaking of the website, I've got things lined up with a host to start fleshing out our site/message board once we can come up with a name for the league. I'm not that creative, so suggestions are welcomed. The name should be something that is decided ASAP, so the rest of the start up process can begin. X-Factor Another thing that we will need to decide is whether or not to use the X-Factor when it comes to creating the league and seasonal drafting. For those of you not familiar with this option, the game allows for players to be created with more randomness to their ratings than what the player look like in the roster file. In short, with X-Factor on, Elway, Marino, et al could end up being scrubs while Joe Sixpack is the stud of the '83 draft class. With X-Factor off, the players that performed well in the NFL should enter our league with similar chances. Injuries and development time should make for some changes, but not to the extreme that X-Factor would give us. Personally, I'm torn between having it on or off....that's why I thought it best to discuss the issue prior to making a decision. Owners Currently, there are 31 owners have verified their interest in teams (see below), if you have changed your mind, please let me know. The remaining spots will be filled shortly. Confirmed Owners sovereignstar VPI97 Shorty Kodos Dutch Cringer BOSS MIJB#19 SegRat theclassic JeeberD ardent enthusiast Subby KWhit Vince SackAttack Matt Suicane digamma stkelly52 fantastic flying froggies mckerney Allosaurus primelord sfl_cat GrantDawg daedalus radii kurtism Taco TheLionKing Anyway, as I noted before, Step One should be a decision on the name....any suggestions? Any further questions about how things will work? Post away... Last edited by VPI97 : 07-01-2005 at 10:08 AM. |
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06-30-2005, 02:10 PM | #2 |
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How will teams be allocated?
As far as the league name goes, it's pretty obvious to me - the Electric Boogaloo Football League!
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06-30-2005, 02:16 PM | #4 |
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Yay! I vote for no X-factor, by the way. I think for a historical league, a good part of the fun is playing with and against classic players who are rated similarly to how they really played. Who wants to see Joe Montana play like Danny White?
Classic Football League Roselle Football League (in tribute to the great commissioner) Modern Era Football League Golden Era Football League Last edited by Kodos : 06-30-2005 at 02:18 PM. |
06-30-2005, 02:16 PM | #5 | |
Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi
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Obviously, some people have preferred teams and we'll try to accomodate as many people as we can. Once the new board is up and running, I'll ask for people to PM me their preferences and we'll work out team allocations by trying to match up as many owners as we can to what they want. |
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06-30-2005, 02:21 PM | #6 |
Torchbearer
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: On Lake Harriet
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White Shoes Football League (I know I wore white cleats in the early 80s because of him.)
I lean very slightly to the X-Factor being turned on. |
06-30-2005, 02:22 PM | #7 |
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I loved Billy White Shoes in those fabulous red Falcons unis!
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06-30-2005, 02:23 PM | #8 | ||||
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06-30-2005, 02:45 PM | #9 |
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Roselle Football League (in tribute to the great commissioner)
Modern Era Football League Golden Era Football League I like all of those, espicially the Roselle Football League (though RFL doesn't really have much of a ring to it, does it?) I lean very slightly towards the X-Factor being turned off based on what I understand, but I am a newbie when it comes to recent incarnations of FOF and will go wherever the experienced people in this league take me. |
06-30-2005, 03:04 PM | #10 |
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Location: NJ
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I like Golden Era, has a ring to it. Im for X-Facotor turned off.
And my idea to was to use old franchises instead of USFL teams, but i'm cool like Raul. My only question is this. What if we used only the scrubs instead of adding better players? Sure it would make teams not quite as good but we'd be building the league from scratch with ONLY 80's guys, it would sort of be an evolution of the league right before our eyes. Those are my observations. |
06-30-2005, 03:18 PM | #11 | |
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292 off. 32 s.t. 173 def. I haven't done tons of tests, but in the ones I have done I've seen a lot of 1,000 yard rushers and receivers. By a lot, I mean more than I've seen in any of my singleplayer careers or MP careers. Last edited by sovereignstar : 06-30-2005 at 03:19 PM. |
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06-30-2005, 03:19 PM | #12 |
Go Reds
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio
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Why an allocation draft? I was under the impression that starting with the 1980's Bengals I would inherit that roster.
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06-30-2005, 03:23 PM | #13 | |
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Firstly, the players are NOT on their actual teams in the file. Secondly, if you read ahead, you'll see that there are only 516 real players in the file (which I mention is only enough for 9 teams). I'm just not sure how feasible anything other than an allocation draft is or if it's even possible. |
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06-30-2005, 03:23 PM | #14 |
Go Reds
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Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio
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Is there anywhere we can go to find out full rosters of 1980's teams so we can add more players to the file (more specifically so we even out the offense to defense disparity
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06-30-2005, 03:30 PM | #15 |
Coordinator
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Location: Conyers GA
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I like the idea of an allocation draft - I would much rather that than for the teams to be their actual rosters.
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06-30-2005, 03:31 PM | #16 |
Coordinator
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Oh and I say X factor turned OFF. I want the stars to be stars. Isn't that why we all want to play in this league?
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06-30-2005, 03:34 PM | #17 | |
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I don't know, man. Coming up with reasonable ratings for 50-some players for each team can not be an easy task, especially with the lack of history there is on defensive players. You'd have to figure out what to do with the expansion teams as well. |
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06-30-2005, 04:26 PM | #18 |
Go Reds
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Had some free time, I think I like this (directly ripped off of ESPN's NBA Draft gallery)
http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?i...example6vm.jpg I put RFL in there for filler, but we still don't know what this league will be called. Last edited by korme : 06-30-2005 at 04:28 PM. |
06-30-2005, 04:49 PM | #19 |
High School Varsity
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For league name I am for Golden Era
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06-30-2005, 05:14 PM | #20 |
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X Factor off, Golden Era works for me.
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06-30-2005, 05:39 PM | #21 | |
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06-30-2005, 06:49 PM | #22 |
Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi
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I like Golden Era Football League. Anyone opposed to that being the league name?
For the record, I liked White Shoes Football League, too...but I also like Dexy's Midnight Football, so you may or may not want to value my opinion on league names all that much. |
06-30-2005, 09:45 PM | #23 |
Go Reds
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Where will the league be hosted?
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06-30-2005, 10:16 PM | #24 |
Resident Alien
Join Date: Jun 2001
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My other idea was North American Football League, and instead of having the USFL teams, we'd add Canadian Football League teams. Just an idea I thought I'd throw out there. I obviously must like Golden Era since I came up with it.
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06-30-2005, 10:32 PM | #25 | |
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come on, like VPI isn't going to handle that? You have seen IHOF, right? |
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06-30-2005, 10:39 PM | #26 | |
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North American Football League? |
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06-30-2005, 11:02 PM | #27 | |
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I swear, they stole the idea from me. |
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06-30-2005, 11:22 PM | #28 |
Head Coach
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No preference either way here. As I told VPI, my knowledge of '80s era football is woefully limited (mostly because I didn't really start to pay attention until the mid '90s), so I'm fine with whatever.
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06-30-2005, 11:29 PM | #29 |
"Dutch"
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Tampa, FL
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I'm all for no X-Factor....Golden Era works for me.
And while I'm thinking about it, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the '83 Draft is going to be a lot of fun! |
06-30-2005, 11:34 PM | #30 |
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Mmm Ken O'Brien.
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06-30-2005, 11:37 PM | #31 | |
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I was just wondering if we had a www yet. |
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06-30-2005, 11:39 PM | #32 | |
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Donate your booze money and I'm sure we'll be able to hook up a domain for you. |
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06-30-2005, 11:56 PM | #33 | |
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May we all be moderately average! |
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07-01-2005, 01:17 AM | #34 |
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What SackAttack said.
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07-01-2005, 02:29 AM | #35 |
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I'm fine with pretty much anything.
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07-01-2005, 06:50 AM | #36 | |
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I was thinking the same kind of thing last night, but I came up with the Axel F Football League. |
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07-01-2005, 08:16 AM | #37 | |
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Are there any other options for roster files that are more complete? I don't want the league balance to be out of whack for the first few seasons (which equates to real-life years of playing with "flawed" rosters). |
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07-01-2005, 09:57 AM | #38 | |
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07-01-2005, 10:02 AM | #39 | |
Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi
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I've ran through two 10 year careers in single player with the roster file + historical draft files and the situation you describe where some positions seem top heavy and some seem non-existant don't seem to be there. The idea that sov has is to create generic roster filler type players to get the total number of players in the file up to a point where the game doesn't feel the need to create some on it's own. By allowing the game to do that, you could have game-generated players outperforming the historical players by virtue of the in-game balancing. Balacing is essential to some degree, but if we edit the initial player file with this in mind, it shouldn't be that much of an issue. |
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07-01-2005, 10:08 AM | #40 |
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Ownership note: Taco and TheLionKing have joined and puts us at 31 owners.
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07-01-2005, 11:12 AM | #41 |
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Just tossing out another idea to consider. What about starting with the 1970 file and letting the cpu run things for 10 years using historical players to get to 1980? That way, the league would have a little history, and it'd kinda be like the NFL having a history before the Super Bowl era. Of course, eliminating the ability to draft our own teams from scratch would probably be a big strike for this option. Figured I might as well mention it though.
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07-01-2005, 11:14 AM | #42 |
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can't the pre-1980 files be merged into the intial 1980 file?
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07-01-2005, 11:27 AM | #43 | |
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Too bad we can't do that and then cut everybody and have a draft. But.....I wouldn't be opposed to that seeing how the allocation draft ain't much better. Last edited by Dutch : 07-01-2005 at 11:28 AM. |
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07-01-2005, 11:30 AM | #44 |
Coordinator
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One of the things I'm really looking forward to in this league is the ability to draft my team from scratch - picking my own players (at least the first 15-20 or so rounds).
I'd hate to do anything to lose that. |
07-01-2005, 11:50 AM | #45 |
The boy who cried Trout
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congrats to those who were invited
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07-01-2005, 11:54 AM | #46 |
"Dutch"
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Yeah, manual drafting would be the best course of action. Then have a history of 10-13 years with WYSIWYG teams starting in 1980, THEN AI allocation draft.
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07-01-2005, 12:00 PM | #47 |
Coordinator
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I don't really want to draft a team in 1970 and then wait 10 years to get them. They'd all be gone by then!
Is that what you're suggesting? |
07-01-2005, 12:27 PM | #48 | |
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I believe there's 1 spot still open if you're interested.
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07-01-2005, 12:29 PM | #49 | |
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GEFL doesn't quite roll off the tongue, but I really like the Golden Era name, so I can live with GEFL...
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07-01-2005, 01:07 PM | #50 |
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To show exactly what I'm having a problem with here are a couple of screenshots. Houston's roster is the 16th-strongest in the league with a rating of 64. These are the top 38 players on their team (sorted by current ability).
What I want to do to alleviate the problem of weak rosters is instead of having the computer generate 1200 OPU-level players, add some better backups or guys with ratings alongs around the 40s and 30s. I want the overall level of the rosters to match those in the usual files we use. |
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