Can 2kgames release a football game to compete?

[Pared]

Please, while this probably won't help, this thread is NOT looking for individuals to make posts that will incite an all out bash.

With that said, what do you REALLY think? The more and more vids that are being released for Madden, the more and more I "forget" about 2kgames and a possible football game....

Here's what I see so far:

1) If the 2k football game dev. team were still intact, we know they can get the job done animation-wise (except for that stiff running animation and lack of hand/individual finger animations, my only two complaints with 2k5).

2) They already have an amazing basis for it's gameplay. The core can remain intact and it can easily compete with Madden.

3) They don't have any sort of license, meaning the players would be completely generic, as well as stadiums, teams.... *sigh*

4) No actual branding for presentation is not a big deal, as we've seen so far from NBA 2k6.

So, seeing as the dev. team isn't completely intact (as there are individuals working on other titles) and #3, this doesn't seem like a generic football game will sell all that well. While I can't speak for everyone, the more and more I see how great a video-game graphic representation of my favorite team is looking on next-gen, the more I realize how a generic game wouldn't be as appealing...

Thoughts?

[baa7]

Madden 360 is “looking good” no question. And I find it hard to go back and play games from two years ago, just because the graphics aren’t what they are today. So you’re correct there, and it’s natural response.

On the other hand, from the videos I’ve seen, Madden 360 “moving” is a whole other story. And just like many other games I’ve played, it can look great, but if it plays like a dog, it’s dust collector.

Couple that with the fact that Madden 360 is a striped-down game with no editing tools, and I’ve already lost interest right there. Incidentally, I have a hunch this isn’t a result of time constraints. I believe this could be the way EA is going with next-gen: making it impossible for gamers to create rookies for the following year’s version, meaning if you want updated rosters, you have to purchase the game each year. Or download rosters – but either way it costs $ to have updated rosters or rosters with next year's rookies.

Add all that up, and for me anyway, I have little or no interest in “licking their balls” as someone posted the other day just to be able to play NFL-brand football with real-name players, regardless of how appealing it looks.

[paysworld]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Please, while this probably won't help, this thread is NOT looking for individuals to make posts that will incite an all out bash. With that said, what do you REALLY think? The more and more vids that are being released for Madden, the more and more I "forget" about 2kgames and a possible football game.... Here's what I see so far: 1) If the 2k football game dev. team were still intact, we know they can get the job done animation-wise (except for that stiff running animation and lack of hand/individual finger animations, my only two complaints with 2k5). 2) They already have an amazing basis for it's gameplay. The core can remain intact and it can easily compete with Madden. 3) They don't have any sort of license, meaning the players would be completely generic, as well as stadiums, teams.... *sigh* 4) No actual branding for presentation is not a big deal, as we've seen so far from NBA 2k6. So, seeing as the dev. team isn't completely intact (as there are individuals working on other titles) and #3, this doesn't seem like a generic football game will sell all that well. While I can't speak for everyone, the more and more I see how great a video-game graphic representation of my favorite team is looking on next-gen, the more I realize how a generic game wouldn't be as appealing... Thoughts?

I think if marketed correctly a generic football can and will sell. It does not not have to be over the top like Blitz, but with the license gone. The 2k team can develop a football team without having to worry about what is acceptable by NFL standard This may be a blessing in disguise if and when they decide to make another football game.

[baa7]

BTW: all that does depend on the individual gamer. I actually prefer to have no-name players on my team. I strip my team and sign players who I’m unfamiliar with just so I don’t have any preconceived notions about how they should be playing.

And with some games – WE8 for example – I enjoyed creating my own team, flag, logo and unis, and then creating customs leagues with any assortment of teams from around the world. That’s all I did with that game. So it depends on the game. And I’m certainly not that big a fan of NFL football that I absolutely have to be one of the real NFL teams with real players on my team, and playing other real NFL teams. For me, it will always come down to game play and other intangibles (presentation is a big one for me, for example).

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

So, seeing as the dev. team isn't completely intact (as there are individuals working on other titles) and #3, this doesn't seem like a generic football game will sell all that well. While I can't speak for everyone, the more and more I see how great a video-game graphic representation of my favorite team is looking on next-gen, the more I realize how a generic game wouldn't be as appealing...

[adriano]

I think they just need to make good games.. Looks like they are concentrating on the basketball series now.. College and Pro..

What Blitz the league has shown me is a Fake league can be fun.. Look at their Forums the people who bought it actually enjoy the game.. My brother whos into games but not really into sports bought it and he plays the hell out of it..

if the presentation is right and the gameplay is good.. customizeable to an extent..(to prevent Cheese). A Online sim style game will sell, and sell well maybe not all the over the top stuff from blitz but some new angles.. custom play books and 2k style leagues would be awesome..

[spankdatazz22]

I agree. Exclusivity should have been the death kneel for 2K, yet EA has yet to show anything that's next-gen worthy besides the stadiums and menu interface. Madden has better graphics, but in all honesty the graphics look more like current gen 2K5 than current gen Madden. There really isn't much EA has shown that looks truly next gen. I think that, coupled with the success Blitz the League has had makes me more optimistic than ever that a generic football title can succeed going forward.

[GB33]

Hey, this was a great idea for a thread!

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[jrivera34]

I think the longer 2k waits, they leave themselves greater risk for failure. If they put out a game this year they could have kept a good number of converts from last year. By waiting, most if not all of the converts will likely go back to Madden and forget about 2k all together.

That will leave only the hardcore 2k football gamers and in the end, not make it profitable enough for them to continue and throw resources at the football game.

We all need to hope that EA can get gang tackling and a more realistic running game into their game. If that happens, I too will forget about 2k football. It is a damn shame because 2k5 is still the best sports game that I have ever played, and that team would have done some amazing things with the next-gen hardware.