QB Evade + Rollout Mechanic

[NDAlum]

From my experience with Madden and hearing others in my league voice similar opinions...let's talk about in the pocket movement.

Here's the issue that I see and hear:
- The moves are clunky and unresponsive
- Moves are difficult to pull off consistently
- They don't represent the actual QB movements from IRL well
- There is no "explosive" movement with guys like Cam/Russ
- Lack of differential between a guy like Peyton and Cam

With the emphasis on new jukes this year that are tied to ratings, here are a few ideas and how to implement them:

Tie the QB roll out & evade movements to the LS, so that means no additional button pushes.

Using a RIGHT handed QB here are the proposed moves:
*When using the #'s below think of the time on a clock*

Basic roll out right: LS down + move LS to the right from 6 to 3
- The QB will keep his eyes down field and gain a little bit of depth while remaining in good position to deliver the football

Spin roll out right: LS left + move LS to the right from 9-6-3 in a half circle
- QB makes a hard spin to evade pressure and gain some depth while being vulnerable for the spin until he can get his eyes back on the field. Wouldn't be able to throw the football mid-spin, the move would have to complete.

Evade up in pocket to roll out/escape right: LS up + LS to the right from 12 to 3
- Create an animation where the QB tucks the ball takes a step up and then rolls to the right.

Special move evade up in pocket to escape right: LS left + LS to the left from 9-12-3
- QB tucks and steps up in the pocket and does a type of juke to roll/evade right

To get a QB to roll/evade left it would pretty much be similar controls but reversed to reflect moving to the left instead of the right.

Regular Roll Left: LS down + LS from 6 to 9
Spin Roll Left: LS right + LS from 3-6-9
Evade/roll left up in pocket: LS up + LS from 12-9
Special evade/roll left up in pocket: LS right + LS from 3-12-9

I'd even add a simple step up which would be a hard LS push up to make the QB just tuck and take a step up in the pocket.

It's a back of the box feature. It's something that wouldn't incorporate any additional button presses and they could be pulled off quickly. It would be very important to make sure there is enough variety to distinguish the unathletic -> average -> above average -> good -> elite QB's with athleticism.

Basically a guy like Eli Manning would be a bit of a statue and if you tried to pull off a special move you'd get this lame animation where it's slow and the likelihood that Eli evades the rush is low. A guy like Cam would seem to bounce around in the pocket and could Houdini his way out of some sacks due to the explosiveness he possesses.

Looking forward to some feedback and thoughts on this.

[Godgers12]

I honestly think we should be able to use jukes, spins ect with QB's behind the LoS. Holding down L2 should trigger that mechanic, allowing you to do manual moves. If the QB has high jke/spn ect then he will automatically do more advanced versions of those moves. And regular QB evasion like side stepping, and spinning out of a sack should be done automatically based on the QB's rating. I'd love for EA to add a Pocket Evasion rating, that would work in conjunction with the aforementioned automatic QB evasion.

[NDAlum]

Quote: Originally Posted by Godgers12

I honestly think we should be able to use jukes, spins ect with QB's behind the LoS. Holding down L2 should trigger that mechanic, allowing you to do manual moves. If the QB has high jke/spn ect then he will automatically do more advanced versions of those moves. And regular QB evasion like side stepping, and spinning out of a sack should be done automatically based on the QB's rating. I'd love for EA to add a Pocket Evasion rating, that would work in conjunction with the aforementioned automatic QB evasion.

I'm all for having the ratings matter but not to the point where it automatically moves a player I'm controlling. I would much prefer the actual outcome of the move aka effectiveness be tied to the rating.

I could see these boards blow up if an automatic evade feature was added.

[Find_the_Door]

Quote: Originally Posted by Godgers12

I honestly think we should be able to use jukes, spins ect with QB's behind the LoS. Holding down L2 should trigger that mechanic, allowing you to do manual moves. If the QB has high jke/spn ect then he will automatically do more advanced versions of those moves. And regular QB evasion like side stepping, and spinning out of a sack should be done automatically based on the QB's rating. I'd love for EA to add a Pocket Evasion rating, that would work in conjunction with the aforementioned automatic QB evasion.

Romo's would be 95+! Always annoyed you can't play like Tony as his game is predicated off of it.

[Godgers12]

Quote: Originally Posted by NDAlum

I'm all for having the ratings matter but not to the point where it automatically moves a player I'm controlling. I would much prefer the actual outcome of the move aka effectiveness be tied to the rating. I could see these boards blow up if an automatic evade feature was added.

It would only trigger if the QB is in the pocket or stationary, and if a sacK is imminent. Like as soon as a tackle animation starts that would trigger the evade mechanic. It wouldn't always be successful, it would depend on the ratings of the QB and defender. But, it would add those "WOW, how'd he get out of that" moments, that Madden lacks. 99% of missed sacks in Madden are just the defender whiffing, nothing the QB did to escape.

[CM Hooe]

My only suggestion is to maybe have the QB evade moves use the precision modifier (L2 / LT) in addition to the left stick, as to continue to allow standard and more subtle movements in the pockets. Sometimes I just want to take a single step to the right or a single step forward without a dramatic animation.

Beyond that, I agree with your premise wholeheartedly. I never use the QB right stick evade moves, because my right thumb is always on the controller face buttons to throw the ball to a receiver. Making those easier to pull off would be wonderful, especially to the end of doing all of Tony Romo's real-life Houdini antics.

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

My only suggestion is to maybe have the QB evade moves use the precision modifier (L2 / LT) in addition to the left stick, as to continue to allow standard and more subtle movements in the pockets. Sometimes I just want to take a single step to the right or a single step forward without a dramatic animation.

That's a really good idea. Would be so much easier. It's funny how for the running back control I feel it's be clunky, but for QB, I think it'd be really nice.

I do think if a true running/movement system was in place under all players, we wouldn't need all these modifiers though.....

[Speedy]

Quote: Originally Posted by SageInfinite

I do think if a true running/movement system was in place under all players, we wouldn't need all these modifiers though.....

Sage, NDAlum is attempting to discuss ideas and possible solutions...this doesn't further the discussion.

@NDAlum...

I like your ideas but I don't want a complicated system of jukes and such. Sounds like you're thinking something similar to what NBA 2K does for ball dribbling with the LS + RS which I'd be a fan of. As long as it's not full-on canned animation that have to be complicated but rather tight and simple animations with several break points that could be combined together or where I could break (within the same move) and do something else.