2016-17 NBA MVP

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Quote: Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan

Oh stop with this. If this was 2015, you'd have a point but to sit there and say people don't like their style of Basketball now isn't true at all. That is a fact, especially in an NBA where Fans and the League LOVE High Scoring Offenses. Like I said earlier, Harden is what Curry was in 2015, in terms of what people think of him now, and Westbrook is what Harden was then. Remember, Harden was catching **** from folks(and still does but not as bad)because of how he would get his points and how "cheap" some of them were(sort of like what you've been saying about Westbrook and his rebounds), especially on his drives to the basket with that rip thru move that gets called by the officials everytime. You can believe this BS if you want to but we both know this isn't true and this thread is just one example of many that prove that to be the case. Westbrook is still catching the same **** and hearing the same **** from people(especially from the Basketball Hipsters/Efficiency Freaks). "Look at that chucker" "Look at him chasing rebounds and not letting his bigs grab them" "All he cares about is himself and not winning. Now I see why KD left" I mean people even went as far as to say that he is chasing rebounds(which after the evidence shows otherwise)and that his Triple Doubles are basically aren't "really" Triple Doubles. But because the narrative is already set, people aren't going to care to hear otherwise. Damn, now I'm preferring(not hoping)that Kawhi wins it now, lol.

Dang Pack you keep taking Ls to Kawhi this year lol. Now i understand why King be backstabbing you on the sly.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

But then it'll be a waste they lose in the 1st Round.

Stop trying to split the movement up.


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Quote: Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan

But then it'll be a waste they lose in the 1st Round. Stop trying to split the movement up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No doubt they arent going to win it all

....but man the internal conflict youre having is entertaining lol

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[ggsimmonds]

I hate the "makes his teammates better" reasoning. I feel like people use that argument when they don't like a player or his style of play. Is it different from making your team better? Can anyone quantify or otherwise support the assertion that player X makes his teammates better while player Y doesn't?

I've only seen that argument quantified once, and it was a couple seasons back talking about John Wall (long story short, teammates FG% was higher on passes from him than passes from someone else).

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by ggsimmonds

I've only seen that argument quantified once, and it was a couple seasons back talking about John Wall (long story short, teammates FG% was higher on passes from him than passes from someone else).

That's pretty much been LeBron for the majority of his career.



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[ggsimmonds]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

That's pretty much been LeBron for the majority of his career. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

May or may not be, I don't know. I only saw the numbers in that one article. Goes without saying that my expectation would be that Chris Paul is in the same boat.

Numbers and data are what matter to me. I've seen people use the makes teammates better argument, but it is never quantified.

[ojandpizza]

These dudes get it. Lol


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[wwharton]

Gotta love OPINIONS of players. I'd say some (and in the right setting) would give an informed assessment, but most of them get thrown the question and shoot from the hip.

Hell, finishing with Pippen (of all people) saying THAT (of all things, considering who he played with) sums it all up.