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Sound Off: Is Football (Finally) on the Rise in America?
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06-26-2014, 03:41 PM | #73 |
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Re: Sound Off: Is Football (Finally) on the Rise in America?
Well, according to TimLaw's logic of attendance figures, the MLB is 3x as popular as the NFL, and the NFL is the least popular of the "Major 4"
Clearly, there's no flaw in this logic.
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06-26-2014, 05:50 PM | #76 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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You can make your arguments about the rising attendance figures, but those show very little. Someone mentioned the large number of people who attend minor league baseball games in a year. Does that mean minor league baseball will ever be a relevant mainstream sport in the US? Absolutely not. The reason minor league games get that attendance is because people say, "Hey, it's a nice day out. We should get out and do something. Why don't we go to the nearby ballpark and watch the local team play?" If tickets to the MLS were really that desirable, they wouldn't be so cheap. That's not to say the sport's not on the rise here, as I think that it is and also that the MLS caters more to the American sports fan than other soccer leagues (minus the lack of talent). But the attendance figures you showed were not comparing MLS attendance now to the past; you specifically picked stats compared to a) other American sports leagues and b) other professional soccer leagues. So don't complain when we point out why those figures are misleading in regards to those two categories.
Receivers may call for a flag after the ball goes past them, but you don't really see them diving onto the ground as the contact is made. In fact, the fact that they immediately jump up and make the motion of pulling out the flag means they aren't rolling around on the ground acting like they've been shot. I wouldn't have a problem with soccer plays immediately running over to the ref and complaining instead of lying motionless on the field after minimal contact. Do you even read what's being said in this thread? I'm not questioning van Persie's attitude or dedication because he sat down to stretch his hamstring. I'm saying that it doesn't seem right to me that the rules and structure of the game dictate that he should be doing so. I don't understand what the game loses by allowing him to come off of the field for two minutes while a substitute runs on so the game isn't reduced to fewer players and he can take care of what he needs to. Most of these complaints are about the system, not about the actions of the individual players (aside from the diving, although that is mostly a product of the system). I also am not expecting players to have video game-like stamina. I understand that running around on a massive field for 90 minutes is a physically exhausting task. My point is that if there were more substitutes available, as well as re-entry, the game would be more exciting. You cannot seriously tell me that the players on the field are giving 100% the entire time they are out there. I'm not saying they are being lazy or undisciplined, just that they are obviously not giving it their all BECAUSE they know they can't tire themselves out for the rest of the game. Once again, a product of the system. You can make all of the arguments you want about the "tradition" and "spirit" of the game, but you're flat out lying to me if you say that watching a player play at 65% for 90 minutes is better than watching him play 65% of the game at 100% and then watching a substitute player play the remaining time at an equal or better level than the original player would have been playing if he were on the field the entire time. As for the time-wasting component, there is no aspect of soccer that I know of designed to prevent that. In football, you have the play clock and in basketball you have a shot clock. The rulemakers of those sports and leagues have done their best to encourage high-quality entertainment from start to finish without compromising the integrity of the game. In addition, the original poster praised the strategy of time wasting. Do you ever see football or basketball fans talking about how great running out the clock is? It's a necessary evil of time-based sports. We should be trying to minimize it instead of encouraging it. You two can keep mocking my statements all you want, but you keep responding. And I keep firing back with legitimate criticism. Still, you guys are like most soccer-first fans that I talk to, in that you refuse to actually look at what I'm trying to say and just defend your sport until the death. Let me explain one last time: I ENJOY THE SPORT OF SOCCER. I HATE THE WAY IT IS PLAYED AT THE PROFESSIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL LEVEL.
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06-28-2014, 12:37 PM | #78 |
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Having not read this whole thread. I'll say this, I only just got into Soccer during the last World Cup, before Donovan & Co. were knocked out by Ghana. Before that, while I never previously watched it, catching glimpses of it, I always wondered why my foreign-turned-American (some of them, a couple of them are illegal immigrants to this day) friends found it to be their main sport and I struggled to find their enjoyment in it. Well, watching the last World Cup, changed all of that for me. Watching with those same friends at a get together or something, I discovered how exciting the games are themselves in most cases. After the World Cup ended, I began to watch MLS, on DirecTV which my last cable provider, they had an awesome Soccer package, they had one channel dedicated to the English League, another channel dedicated to another league and then the Fox Soccer Channel which covered everything. But being a NY'er, MSG covered my MLS needs with the Red Bulls, I then got into watching those games, and was stoked when Thierry Henry came around. I can no longer keep up as much as I'd like to because I no longer have that awesome cable package.
But this time has become my favorite time of the year, or every four years. Lol. Every game has been pure excitement, every time a team gets inside the box it sends an adrenaline rush down my spine, I may not even be a fan of the specific team playing, but I've become a fan of the game itself. Every scoring attempt makes me want to rise out of my seat in anticipation. Last weeks game between US & Portugal was literally the most exciting 90 minutes of any sport that I have ever sat through in it's entirety. Back to my point before, every attempt caused an increase in my heart beat, whether it missed or not, every time we got into the box I found myself biting my nails in the hopes that we could finally sneak one past the goalkeep. And vice versa, when they got inside of our box, I did the same thing in hopes that our goalkeep could continue to keep the ball outside of our net. When we finally scored I found myself outscreaming everyone else in the room out of pure excitement. When Dempsey scored came a relaxing period, but then I quickly found out there are no relax periods in this game, and more insanity ensued after Portugal tied things up in the literal final minute. With that said, I've come to find out why my friends love it so much, Soccer (Futbol) is a very emotional sport and game, I think it's pretty easy to get sucked into if you actually go into it with a level head and a fair idea of the game. If you go to watch with the thoughts of "Why do they call it Football, this ain't got nothing on OUR football", then sure, you may not enjoy it. But if you go into it without any pre-determined judgments of it, I guarantee you'll be surprised. I was never a baseball fan, so this sport automatically eclipses that for me. I'm no longer into Hockey like I used to be, so this too surpasses that. I'd put Soccer (Futbol) into my top three sports, behind only the NFL & NBA. And while I think Soccer is definitely on the rise here, I don't think it'll ever exceed baseball in popularity. Baseball is losing it's popularity here in America due to the whole "Steroids" thing and their seemingly being a lack of big time hitters now that the league has clamped down on suspected HGH usage. But it'll never lose enough popularity to the point where a sport like Soccer can surpass it. Things like Baseball, Football, Basketball, and even hockey to some extent are too engrained in American culture to be moved to the side in favor of another game from another place other than America. |
06-28-2014, 04:17 PM | #79 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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He says this like there is a 0-0 draw every other game.
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