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Old Madden Ratings Site Reborn Under New Management
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07-07-2010, 02:24 PM | #33 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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07-07-2010, 02:34 PM | #34 |
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I understand exactly where you're coming from. I'm not saying we should re-rate every player for Madden 11, because the development team has tuned performance around their own concept of what should be "average" and how often bad throws occur...I know that lowering Trent Edwards' accuracy down to a 60 or so would make for an incredibly frustrating experience (which Bills fans should be used to)...I'm just advocating for the development team to re-evaluate what they're rating system looks like, and why it isn't stretched to account for the actual median value of their range. I mean, why bother having ratings go from 1-99 if you only use 30 values (69-99) for it? I'm being a bit facetious of course, but you can see where I'm coming from, yes?
It certainly isn't helping their stance on "We have a new ratings philosophy" when their stretched ratings have just as many 90 overall players as past Madden iterations. You have the whole range for a reason, let's use it. Some tuning, like DCEBB is working on, is a step in the right direction, but my holy grail of rating systems would be a ludicrously stretched rating system, which is what I posted up above...
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07-07-2010, 02:59 PM | #35 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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07-07-2010, 03:09 PM | #36 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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This would prevent Sidney Rice's OVR from being to high just because he has good skill sets and great height. His AWR would keep him balanced till he begins to play really well, consistently. As I am typing this, Im really coming to the conclusion that AWR should be based on player consistency, since we dont have player position IQ test, IMO. I think a good example of this in the NFL was Reggie White when playing for GB. Whites actually skill set peeked with the Eagles but he was still able to play consistently great in GB using his position IQ(AWR), despite his deminishing skill set. The best indicator of position IQ(AWR) is a players on-field consistency, IMO. This should be calculated in some manner with players position skill sets to determine OVR, IMO. For example with WRs, catching, route running and release are major position skill sets that should factor into OVR. However, AWR should factor heavily into OVR as well because all the talent in the world is of little benefit without consistent play. Dez Bryant has high WR skill sets but until he gets in the game and becomes a consistent playmaker threat he will not be considered a good overall(OVR) receiver. I dont know the formula or equation to use but I think AWR in Madden currently isnt calculated right. IMO. I still believe it would be ideal if OVR was calcualted with just the position skill sets. However,currently it seems that other gamers consider OVR to be the overall scale at that position and consider AWR to be a part of this. If that's the case, calculating position skill sets and AWR to determine OVR, using a different equation than EA, is probably best, IMO. I have no doubt that you are already ahead of me on this but I just wanted to correct my position anyway. Last edited by tlc12576; 07-07-2010 at 03:14 PM. |
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07-07-2010, 03:09 PM | #37 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Would anyone be willing to go into Madden 10 real quick and create a player at all positions to determine their rating with all attributes turned down as low as possible? I want to check this out. If that is the case then the average is not 50, but perhaps (99-28)/2 = 35.5 + 28 = 63.5 All I did was take the highest rating possible (99) and subtract the lowest rating possible (28?). Then take that number and divide by 2. Then add that to the lowest number. Note that this is only the case if 28 is the lowest rating possible. So, once again, the real "average" could be a lot higher than 50 depending on what the lowest OVR rating possible is. As for the attributes, an average attribute would be 100-12 = 88/2 = 44 +12 = 56. However, I would prefer to use 70 as an "average" for each attribute. It kind of follows a grading system where an average mark is 70 to 75 depending on the scale you like. |
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07-07-2010, 03:13 PM | #38 |
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absolutely loving what i'm seeing with this thread.... if these ratings work well, madden 2011 might turn into a buy for me ... imagine how many things in the game will look better with significantly lowered ratings i'm with maelstrom i think though and love this as a good start but i'd try to lower them even more... addai IMO shoudn't sniff the 80's as he's been one example but a love what i'm reading here i'll stay tuned!! |
07-07-2010, 03:15 PM | #39 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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However, I pick up my new charge. No more OVR at all...just attributes.
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07-07-2010, 03:25 PM | #40 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Now for the issue you bring up: At FBG in the past we had a simple equation to determine a players AWR. Now, if you analyze last year's ratings there was a strong statistical correlation between a player's OVR rating and his AWR rating. This was a positive correlation of nearly .90. To those who are not stat-obsessed that means it was a positive correlation where 90% of the data was correlated. Most people who do stats accademically shoot for about .70 to show a statistically significant correlation between 2 pieces of data. This means that it wasn't just a strong correlation, but a VERY VERY VERY strong correlation. So what does this mean? It means that as a players AWR goes up, his OVR goes up in nearly 90% of the cases. It also means that as a players OVR goes up, his AWR goes up in 90% of the cases. So what can we draw from this? We can conclude that the two are tied into each other very closely. At FBG we used to actually have a formula for determining a player's AWR rating for rookies. We would take his OVR rating, which is pre-determined based upon his other skills including SPD, ACC, JMP, CTH, etc...and subtract 10. Dez Bryant. As a rookie his skill set gives him a 60 OVR. So you subtract 10. His AWR is now 50 as a rookie. So what about players who are not rookies? For them you do the same thing, but instead take the present year and subtract their draft year from it. Then add that to their OVR-10. Randy Moss. Is currently rated a 90. Subtract 10. Now take this year (2010) and subtract his draft year (1998). Now add them. 90-10 = 80 2010-1998 = 12 80+12 = 92 It gives progression for each year a player is in the league, and rightfully so. Peyton Manning 98-10 = 88 2010-1998 = 12 88+12 = 100 (or 99 because it is the maximum.) This doesn't over-inflate the AWR rating and still takes into account experience and the player's OVR rating. Thoughts? |
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