Does Steph Curry Justify Greater Than an 99 Overall Rating?

[raidertiger]

Quote: Originally Posted by cima

Actually if you want to use your 100 possessions stat, 2016 Curry Offensive Rating was 125, equal to Jordan's best season which was also 125. Jordan had an OR of over 120 7 times in his career. Curry's done that twice. Curry also doesn't touch MJ in Win Shares or Offensive Win Shares.

Choose any Jordan season

Points per 100: approx 43-44

Steph: 42.5

Now here's where all the separation is

Jordan TS% - approx .600
Steph TS% - .670

The gap between Jordan and Steph in terms of efficiency is around the same as Jordan to DeMar DeRozan. It's a MAMMOTH difference. Like, not even close. And when you have similar volume as they do...well sorry but Stephs offensive peak is higher.

[cima]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mauer4MVP

Again the "he did it whothoutbthe three point shot" argument. Always make me laugh. Glad to see you're looking at the raw ppg and not how efficient those points were scored. Curry is also a really good finisher by the way.

That's literally your only argument is true shooting %. True shooting % doesn't equal GOAT offensive player.

[Mbunn1993]

We just got through 63 pages of endless Steph debates on a thread. Now this same exact **** is back and this one will be plaguing the top of the 2K page for another month or two. Ugh. Can we please get back to discussing 2K related things?

[Mauer4MVP]

Quote: Originally Posted by cima

That's literally your only argument is true shooting %. True shooting % doesn't equal GOAT offensive player.

Well it's job is literally to show efficiency. Of course you have to take context into account. How many shot attempts, usage rate, role of the player, how many points they acorw, assist rate etc. All that equals him being the greatest offensive weapon ever. Again not career wise, but as of right now.

And if you want to say Jordan that's fine. Ita you laughing at the thought of Curry in the discussion which is troubling.

[cima]

Quote: Originally Posted by raidertiger

Choose any Jordan season Points per 100: approx 43-44 Steph: 42.5 Now here's where all the separation is Jordan TS% - approx .600 Steph TS% - .670 The gap between Jordan and Steph in terms of efficiency is around the same as Jordan to DeMar DeRozan. It's a MAMMOTH difference. Like, not even close. And when you have similar volume as they do...well sorry but Stephs offensive peak is higher.

Again with this TS% garbage. You guys crack me up. Jordan crushes Curry in PER, ORTG, Points per 100 poss, Win Shares, Offensive Win Shares, VORP, etc etc. They played the game very differently.

[Mauer4MVP]

Post above mine is right. I'm done.

[cima]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mbunn1993

We just got through 63 pages of endless Steph debates on a thread. Now this same exact **** is back and this one will be plaguing the top of the 2K page for another month or two. Ugh. Can we please get back to discussing 2K related things?

Blame the OS writer for writing an article and creating the thread about it then. What did you expect when that ridiculous of a question is proposed?

[raidertiger]

Quote: Originally Posted by cima

Again with this TS% garbage. You guys crack me up. Jordan crushes Curry in PER, ORTG, Points per 100 poss, Win Shares, Offensive Win Shares, VORP, etc etc. They played the game very differently.

Crushing someone in scoring (by 1point per 100 possessions lol) when doing it significantly more inefficiently is not an accomplishment. And of course Jordan would crush Curry in win shares, when he played around 5mpg extra.

The bias here is so laughable. This is what you consider crushing, and this is taking into account MJs best season in all categories, not what he got in a single year. If you choose one, this wouldn't even be as close:

PTS/100 - 46.4 to 42.5 (decent gap)
WS/48 - .321 to .318 (OMG CURRY CRUSHED!)
PER - 31.7 to 31.5 (CRUSHED)
VORP - 12.0 to 9.8 (only legit part tbh)

But none of this is apparently relevant

TS% - .669 to .614 (AKA Curry is ahead by Jordan with the same margin as Jordan is to DeMar DeRozan) This is a crush BTW.
OBPM - 12.4 to 9.8 (Again, a crushing in favour of Curry)

So Jordan has a volume edge over Curry, but Curry blows him away in efficiency and is barely behind on some of these stats that you're citing (.2 gap in PER and .003 gap in WS/48...seriously?) Not to mention that this is Jordans BEST marks, not his single season totals.

They play the game differently. But to say because Jordan is more varied (debatable, considering Curry lead PGs in finishing at the rim), is akin to saying Melo was better than Durant. Durant may have less moves, but when he's so much more efficient and posts similar point totals who cares?

So yes, when you compare Jordans career marks in all categories, it's debatable. Take one of his seasons, and yeah Curry is ahead.