03:20 AM - June 26, 2010 by Millennium
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OS Full Minors v4 (Franchise File)
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OS Full Minors v4.1 (Franchise File)
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MLB 10 News Post
03:20 AM - June 26, 2010 by MillenniumOS Full Minors v4 (Franchise File)
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OS Full Minors v4.1 (Franchise File)
MLB '10: The Show Videos
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TD recently made a few minor corrections after some play on his own to a few relievers (closer durability) and upped David Price's stamina. He posted that as V4MinorCorrections (I think).
V4.1 is just an alternative to V4 since there are people in the community that request different stamina ratings other than the ones that Razr used for V3. It will utilize Bahnzo's roster tool to use the stamina rating that it comes up with. This will be completed this week. I may touch up a few things there but nothing earth shattering that will make a difference to V4. I will post those here this way anyone can modify their version to such without having to DL ANOTHER version LOL.
Hope this helps.
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v4.1 is getting worked on right now. Stamina is being adjusted using Bahnzo's tool.
# 185
grgmths1433 @ 06/28/10 04:32 PM
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# 186
ferriscj24 @ 06/28/10 04:48 PM
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I took a screen shot of Scott Kazmir a few days ago in the V.3 thread, page 51 I believe, he had about 50-60% energy left after 1 inning of 24 pitches. Yet, nobody seems to think the stamina edits are a problem.
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For people that still may not be clear on this, v4.1 will address starting pitcher stamina attributes using bahnzo's rostertool data. v3.0 and v4.0 did not, for starter stamina. (but v4.0, in contrast to v3.0 did use bahnzo tool data for basically 'everything else').
with v3 and v4.0, the problem for those that can see it, is the starting pitcher has ZERO energy on his energy bar by around 80? pitches... whether it takes 5IP or 7, the IP don't matter. Now, we all agree we can try to grind it out so the starter gets his 100+ pitches, but those of us seeing this as a problem in realism, agree that no MLB caliber starter is tossing his 81st to his 110th pitches w/o his mojo. In otherwords we'd like to see his energy bar depleted starting around 110-120 pitches, then if he pitches from 120 to his 130th pitch, it would be a grind it out w/ zero energy on the bar. this is basically it.
now, there is a version in between v4.0 and the yet to be released v4.1, it is called "v4 minorfixes" released by thirddegrees... he basically lowered the durability attributes of most relief pitchers.
Dean, I hope you're doing the work for v4.1 using TD's v4minorfixes?
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# 189
ferriscj24 @ 06/28/10 06:21 PM
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I have nothing but the utmost respect for Knight, HustlinOwl, Ridin, Razr, Strut, and everyone else involved on these rosters. Further, it is not my intention to take something that they have worked so hard on and gripe about it. However, I think that as a forum and as OS members, we can communicate openly about any issues that arise. I just find it kind of odd that (I use this loosely), "most" people are saying they see nothing wrong with the stamina edits in this years version of The Show.
I play as the Tigers, and Justin Verlander can go 100+ pitches no problem, even WITH these edits (His stamina is still in the 90's after the edits). But when you get into the middle and back end of your rotation, these guys are completely drained after 4 or 5 innings and anywhere from 40-60 pitches. Sometimes I get REALLY lucky and can throw 70 or so. But I just don't see how this is accurate/realistic. Not to mention, if I gas a pitcher by allowing him to throw an incredible 80 pitches in a game, when his turn comes back int he rotation 5 days later, he is only at 80% or so, which in turn means I can only get 3 or 4 innings out of him and maybe 40 pitches. Then the vicious cycle continues into the next week, and the next, and so on...
All in all, I am NOT bashing these rosters by any means whatsoever. I admire what these guys do and how they supply them to us out of their own good will. But these stamina edits/issues are, in fact, a problem. I guess I just scratch my head when I read how nobody else seems to think they are. Like I said, I even posted a screen shot of Kazmir with half energy in the tank after 24 pitches in the first. And the response to that was...It has nothing to do with the edits, he has a history of injuries, problem solved. I mean...really!? A starting pitcher can throw 24 pitches and be halfway through the tank? Come on...
I am literally adjusting stamina for v4.1 as I type this. We know it's an issue and it's getting adjusted.
Dean are you adjusting the starter stamina only from Bahnzo's tool or stamina for both starters and relievers? Thanks to all involved for making these, it sure adds a lot to an already great game.
Can anyone tell me what settings or sliders are best used for this set? I normally use All-Star Batting and HOF Pitching.
To answer tge question posted earlier, dean is doing me a solid and applying bahnzos number to the set. When he's finished it will come back to me and TD to apply the 4.1 changes and other small stuff (strut had some stuff i wanted to get in for 4 but got pinched for time and demand amongst other small changed) any change from 4 to 4.1 I will list so people can make their own changes to V4 so as to update their roster w/o having to change stamina or interupt their seasons too much.
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# 196
grgmths1433 @ 06/28/10 08:17 PM
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# 198
ThirdDegree5803 @ 06/28/10 08:33 PM
Dean...are you going team by team? or starting off with the SP then doing the RP...I don't feel like any reliever should be over a 35 stamina and most around 5-10...any chance you could release one with just the database numbers for all the starters?
I modified the v4 rosters for my own use today, but I thought I'd upload them if anyone else wanted to use them. I used Bohnzo's editor to calculate/edit the stamina ratings for all of the pitchers (SP, RP, and CP) on all the teams to make them closer to how they were before the community stamina edits were introduced. I tried to get all the pitchers, but I know I missed a few lower-level guys that weren't in Bohnzo's editor.
The roster is named "v4staminaedits" and you can find it in the vault.
The roster is named "v4staminaedits" and you can find it in the vault.
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verlander 94
porcello 65
scherzer 67
bonderman69
willis 62
do some testing and you'll find what the numbers 'need' to be. you'll likely see that a 70 stamina for a starter will give you about 95 throws give or take until the energy bar is gone.
up it to 80, which is over 10% increase from 70 and you get to about 105pitches before the bar is gone. staminas in the 60's like those tiger starters are good for those long middle relievers/spot starters. everyone should be stamina of 82,83,84,85 or better. Most MLB caliber starters simply do 110-115 w/ maintainable velocity... an equivalent translation to 'in-game' for the show would be for them to still have something on their energy bar up to that 110-120th pitch total. staminas need to be in the 80's.
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