Werewolf XXI - Werewolf goes to Hollywood - Game Over!! Death Eaters win!!

[Coder]

... on the other hand, if we lynch Gram and he turns out to be a wizard.. feel free to lynch me, Schmidty and Desnudo... I'm a bit scared about what I just started.. don't like being a bandwagon-starter.

[Schmidty]

I was just thinking of something: If Grammaticus basically admitted to being Duke, wouldn't he have been killed by the DEs during night actions?

[Schmidty]

Dola.

I keep seeing Gram in this thread today, but he hasn't said anything even after 3 votes for him. Is he perhaps waiting for help in PM form from his fellow DEs?

[Raiders Army]

I saw him in the thread as well. I would think that the DEs are a little smarter than that though, but you never know. *shrug*

[Schmidty]

One things for sure: If Gram or Jesse turn out to be wizrds, I'm toast. It's kind of scary putting myself on the line like this.

[KWhit]

I was just thinking of something: If Grammaticus basically admitted to being Duke, wouldn't he have been killed by the DEs during night actions?
I was thinking the same thing.

Can somebody point me to the post where he revealed that he was the Duke?

[Lathum]

I'm sticking with ma vote from the last few days.

VOTE PATH

[Superman=#54]

Any reason why you vote for Path, Lathum?

[Lathum]

I have been voting for him for 3 days, I'll find the post numbers for you.

[Lathum]

dola #1070

[Desnudo]

I was thinking the same thing.

Can somebody point me to the post where he revealed that he was the Duke?

Start reading aroud #728 (p. 15).

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by kingfc22
How can both be DE's? Mr. W is dead and he is a wizard. Hmmmm......

How could they both NOt be. Maybe I'm missing something (which is possible), but I am truly not getting your point.

Note: I've had a bit too much Chablis (with dinner ;) ), and am getting tired, so if I "disappear' until the (PST) morning, don't be suprised.

Okay, Schmidty, what does this mean? You posted this after Mr. Wed was lynched and showed no DE mark on his arm.

[Desnudo]

Dola.

I keep seeing Gram in this thread today, but he hasn't said anything even after 3 votes for him. Is he perhaps waiting for help in PM form from his fellow DEs?

I think the help arrived in the form of dubb on the last page. I've seen Gram on most of the day. I agree that we're likely cooked if Gram turns out to be a wizard. If he was though, I would have expected more votes to come in as the DEs would want to see him lynched. Unless he really is the duke, in which case, someone else dies, obviously.

May all be for naught as I believe AE is still leading the vote anyway.

[Grammaticus]

May all be for naught as I believe AE is still leading the vote anyway.
I'm going with someone I think is still very suspicious.

VOTE PATH

and I believe that makes a three way tie between me, path and AE.

[Schmidty]

I think the help arrived in the form of dubb on the last page. I've seen Gram on most of the day. I agree that we're likely cooked if Gram turns out to be a wizard. If he was though, I would have expected more votes to come in as the DEs would want to see him lynched. Unless he really is the duke, in which case, someone else dies, obviously.

May all be for naught as I believe AE is still leading the vote anyway.

I would say these people are looking really bad:

1. Grammaticus - For reasons already stated

2. dubb - Looking back at the posts near Gram "revealing" that he's the Duke, it seems that dubb was coaxing him to "reluctanly" reveal his role. Not only that, but the banter between him and Gram starting in #736 seems like a ploy to reflect light on others, while looking like a "good guy" tag-team. Also, he has vigorously defended Gram, and even getting extremely angry when I linked him with Gram.

3. Jesse - For reasons already stated.

If one of these guys (except maybe Jesse) is lynched and found to be a wizard, I will be dead, and I will deserve it. I implore people to seriously consider voting for them.

[Schmidty]

Okay, Schmidty, what does this mean? You posted this after Mr. Wed was lynched and showed no DE mark on his arm.

You are correct. I made a mistake. As I said, I was part-way through a bottle of Chablis with my wife, and apparantly my mind was muddled. Looking back at the post, I don't even know the hell my point was at the time. My bad, guys.

[Raiders Army]

At this point, I'm the only one voting for Jesse. It's a useless vote, like yesterday.

UNVOTE JESSE EWIAK
VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[Schmidty]

I'm going away for about an hour. I'll check back in when I get back.

[Grammaticus]

I'm disappointed, there are a lot of experienced players left in this game and they are not offering much up. I'm thinking of doing something very extreme. Might not be a good decision, but I have to go with what I have and I'm just not real sure at this point.

[Raiders Army]

Just do the extreme thing! It's been pretty slow today.

[Lathum]

I'm disappointed, there are a lot of experienced players left in this game and they are not offering much up. I'm thinking of doing something very extreme. Might not be a good decision, but I have to go with what I have and I'm just not real sure at this point.
????????????????????????????

[dubb93]

I would say these people are looking really bad:

1. Grammaticus - For reasons already stated

2. dubb - Looking back at the posts near Gram "revealing" that he's the Duke, it seems that dubb was coaxing him to "reluctanly" reveal his role. Not only that, but the banter between him and Gram starting in #736 seems like a ploy to reflect light on others, while looking like a "good guy" tag-team. Also, he has vigorously defended Gram, and even getting extremely angry when I linked him with Gram.



That is b/c Gramm is the fucking duke. He hinted, I caught it. Any decent player could tell what he was trying to do before he did it. Schmidty, with the exception of Jesse, which I don't know about, you have alot of Wizards on your list. I'm thinking if Gramm is lynched today I'll be going after you hard tomorrow. Something isn't right with the way you've played this game.

[Grammaticus]

Just do the extreme thing! It's been pretty slow today.
I've set it in motion, but we won't get to see the effect until after 10:30pm.

[Raiders Army]

Hmmm....that means you're sirdukealot I'm guessing.

[Raiders Army]

Dola, or you're the brutal wolf.

[Grammaticus]

Alright, I gotta run and may not be able to check in until close to the deadline. May not even be able to check back again tonight. But I will say this, If you are voting for me, it is not going to be productive. I'm not going to be lynched today.

[Desnudo]

Dola, or you're the brutal wolf.

Certainly a possibility. I still come back to, if he's a good duke, why is he still alive unless the DEs completely missed that whole discussion?

[JeeberD]

I have just enought time to catch up on the thread before I have to head back out tonight. I gotta think that the DE's are doing the same thing to AE that they did to me the other day. I really have no other reason to not trust him aside from CW's death...

Gramm's acting really weird. If he really is the Duke then maybe he know something and he'll nab us a DE. If he isn't, well, then I really don't know why he would be acting the way he is...

Vote Gramm

[Desnudo]

Current Vote Tally

Voters listed by order of voting

Grammaticus 5 (Coder, Schmidty, Desnudo, Raiders Army, JeeberD)
Ardent 3 (path12, passacaglia, dubb93)
path12 3 (kingfc22, Lathum, Grammaticus)

[Schmidty]

That is b/c Gramm is the fucking duke. He hinted, I caught it. Any decent player could tell what he was trying to do before he did it. Schmidty, with the exception of Jesse, which I don't know about, you have alot of Wizards on your list. I'm thinking if Gramm is lynched today I'll be going after you hard tomorrow. Something isn't right with the way you've played this game.

How do you know for sure that he's the "fucking" Duke, other than that he said it. Does anyone actually completely trust people simply saying who they are without solid proof? No, and in most of these games you would agree. The fact that you are fighting so hard for this tells me that you either A) Withholding information that could help us, B) Defending a fellow DE, or C)Being lead by the nose by the DEs. Something isn't right about you in the way you've played the game.

By the way, I wouldn't consider having 3 people on my suspicious list to having "a lot" as you put it. You are being so unbelievably dramatic this game.

If Grammaticus is lynched and I'm wrong, I totally expect and accept that my head will be on the chopping block. I am willing to take that chance.

[Poli]

I'm reserving my right to vote for now. I believe Gramm is the duke. Schmidty, that may not put me in good standing with you. Gramm's post above alone..."I will not be lynched..." says it all for me.

[Poli]

Dola: Dubb, say what you want about me. I'm being setup.

For what it's worth, I think I caught onto Gramm being the duke at the same time you did.

[Schmidty]

I'm reserving my right to vote for now. I believe Gramm is the duke. Schmidty, that may not put me in good standing with you. Gramm's post above alone..."I will not be lynched..." says it all for me.

Just like Mrskippy said "I will not accept a banning?" ;)

Also, I've said a number of times that if I am wrong, I realize the implications. I am willing to take that chance.

[Poli]

Good one. :)

Still, I believe Gramm is the duke, therefore, he's on our side.

I understand your position. Your stout position makes me believe you're on our side as well. I don't want to lose one of you.

Personally, I'd rather see some sort of vote against the quiet ones we have. We've got a few players with less than 20 posts this entire game. In retrospect, WVU had 21 total in his hideaway wolf game. At the very least, there should be some pressure put on them. In this regard, I definitely agree with Raiders Army.

Vote Jesse.

[Schmidty]

Still, I believe Gramm is the duke, therefore, he's on our side.

I am baffled by the fact that people just automatically believe what he says to so absolutely true. To me, if someone announces that they're the Duke, they're dead meat during the night action. He's still alive. That's beyond suspicious, not even counting all the wierd stuff he's said and done.

[Desnudo]

Ditto that. I feel like I've been saying it in an echo chamber. Plus if he is the duke, then great, someone else will die, hopefully a DE. If he isn't the duke, then he's the evil variant of it and we smoke him out. Or he's just a plain DE.

[Poli]

I've never felt the duke role is a good one. I kind of had it when we did the ship game and I was the captain. I played my hunch and a mutiny resulted.

Even though we won that game I felt like I had lost. The duke role is a no win situation to me.

I understand where you're coming from Schmidty. Des, I understand you as well. It could very well be a bluff, I don't know.

[RPI-Fan]

VOTE PATH12

[Schmidty]

VOTE PATH12

Reason?

You've been unbelievably quiet....

[Superman=#54]

Vote Jesse

[TazFTW]

Why is Jesse a suspect?

He has voted for both Qwik and SnDvls.

[Superman=#54]

Why is Jesse a suspect?

He has voted for both Qwik and SnDvls.

Hmmmm...

[Superman=#54]

Better yet...

UNVOTE Jesse

VOTE Path12

Wether this vote is right or wrong it should reveal a lot for tommorrow.

[KWhit]

Why is Jesse a suspect?

He has voted for both Qwik and SnDvls.
He made a late switch to Qwik after Neon's reveal (after it was obvious that Qwik would be the one lynched) and he switched his vote from SnDvls to WVUfan when things started to get close between them.

[KWhit]

Vote Jesse.

[TazFTW]

He made a late switch to Qwik after Neon's reveal (after it was obvious that Qwik would be the one lynched) and he switched his vote from SnDvls to WVUfan when things started to get close between them.
Day 2
Coffee - vote dubb
coder - vote Coffee
SnDvls - vote Superman
st.cronin - vote SnDvls
Lathum - vote Superman
dacman - vote SnDvls
Jeeber - vote Superman
SnDvls - unvote Superman
king - vote SnDvls
Coffee - unvote dubb
Raiders - vote WVUFan
dubb - vote WVUFan
Lathum - unvote Superman
Jeeber - unvote Superman
Jeeber - vote WVUFan
SnDvls - vote WVUFan
Gram - vote SnDvls
WVUFan - vote SnDvls
Coffee - vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote WVUFan
dubb - vote Pass
ardent - vote Coffee
Gram - unvote SnDvls
Jesse - vote SnDvls
dubb - unvote Pass
dubb - vote SnDvls
Gram - vote WVUFan
Desnudo - vote Coffee
Lathum - vote SnDvls
AlanT - vote Coffee
path - vote Passacaglia
Desnudo - unvote Coffee
Rpi - vote Mr. Wednesday
Desnudo - vote Coffee
st.cronin - unvote SnDvls
path12 - unvote Passacaglia
st.cronin - vote SnDvls
ardent - unvote Coffee
ardent - vote WVUFan
Schmidty - vote SnDvls
st.cronin - unvote SnDvls
st.cronin - vote WVUFan
dubb - unvote SnDvls
dubb - vote WVUFan
Taz - vote Superman
RPI - unvote Mr. Wednesday
RPI - vote Pasascaglia
Passacaglia - vote SnDvls
Neon - vote SnDvls
Superman - vote Coffee
AlanT - unvote Coffee
AlanT - vote WVUFan
dubb - unvote WVUFan
dubb - vote SnDvls
KWhit - vote WVUFan
path - vote WVUFan
Mr. Wednesday - vote WVUFan
Superman - unvote Coffee
Superman - vote SnDvls


That was posted by st.cronin. I don't see a Jesse unvote.
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[Jesse_Ewiak]

He made a late switch to Qwik after Neon's reveal (after it was obvious that Qwik would be the one lynched) and he switched his vote from SnDvls to WVUfan when things started to get close between them.

Umm....No I didn't. I only voted for Qwik near the end because that's when I checked the thread.

But yeah, I've been quiet. Mainly because I have no great insights, and it's been a bad week for me to be on the actual thread. Now that it's the weekend, I might actually have time to interact.

VOTE PATH

Because he's been consistently questionable the whole game.

[Schmidty]

Because he's been consistently questionable the whole game.

Examples? Something? I'm not defending him, I'm just curious as to your specific reasons.

[KWhit]

That was posted by st.cronin. I don't see a Jesse unvote.
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Crap! You're right. It was Gram who did that. I posted my suspicions of them both earlier today and got them mixed up in my addled brain.

FTR, I now think Gram is legit, but I'm still not sure about Jesse. But for now,

UNVOTE JESSE

[Neon_Chaos]

Death eaters make good kebab.

[Jesse_Ewiak]

For me, the two biggest things are...

1). He's been quiet (Which is totally hypocritical, but hey.)
2). He didn't switch his vote to Qwik on Day 1 and voted for WVUFan on Day 2.

[path12]

For me, the two biggest things are...

1). He's been quiet (Which is totally hypocritical, but hey.)
2). He didn't switch his vote to Qwik on Day 1 and voted for WVUFan on Day 2.

I'm quiet NOW, but that's because I've screwed up enough this game.

[dubb93]

How do you know for sure that he's the "fucking" Duke, other than that he said it. Does anyone actually completely trust people simply saying who they are without solid proof? No, and in most of these games you would agree. The fact that you are fighting so hard for this tells me that you either A) Withholding information that could help us, B) Defending a fellow DE, or C)Being lead by the nose by the DEs. Something isn't right about you in the way you've played the game.

By the way, I wouldn't consider having 3 people on my suspicious list to having "a lot" as you put it. You are being so unbelievably dramatic this game.

If Grammaticus is lynched and I'm wrong, I totally expect and accept that my head will be on the chopping block. I am willing to take that chance.

My time on the internet tonight is being screwed with by the woman, she seems to bitch every time I get close to this thing, but I'll respond to this.

I would not have believed Gramm if he came right out and said "I am the duke."

But the fact remains, he hinted at his role at a time when he was in no danger. He didn't flat out say he was. He was asking what a duke should and could do. That in and of itself is usually a sign of a players role. I've never seen a bad guy "hint" at his role by asking how to play it.

He had his vote on WVU and felt that Sun could protect the seer, so he was just asking about a possible duke. This alone would make me believe him.

Couple it with the fact that no other duke has come out and claimed the role, and I believe it is obvious that he is telling the truth.

[dacman]

Sorry I haven't participated much today. I actually had to work at work (good god these people act like they pay me or something. :) ).

I can't help but thinking the DE's are being quiet and giving us just enough rope to hang ourselves with. If another wizard dies on this lynch, we need to start cutting the dead weight.

I cannot in my mind get past the fact the Mr. W and path nearly saved a VERY important DE. That and path's explanation for voting WVUFan that day was laughable. If your a wizard, path, I'm sorry.

VOTE PATH12

[KWhit]

I think of the choices that are viable at this point, Path makes the most sense.

VOTE PATH12

[dacman]

path12 8 (kingfc22, Lathum, Grammaticus, RPI-Fan, Superman, Jesse, dacman, KWhit)
Grammaticus 5 (Coder, Schmidty, Desnudo, Raiders Army, JeeberD)
Ardent 3 (path12, passacaglia, dubb93)
Jesse 1 (Ardent)

No One -- Taz, WVUFan

[KWhit]

Just to clarify, I don't have a real strong feeling on Path either way, but I for now I believe Gramm when he hints that he is a Duke-like role, so Path makes more sense to vote for.

[dacman]

I've set it in motion, but we won't get to see the effect until after 10:30pm.
I'm holding you to it, Gram.

[TazFTW]

VOTE PATH12

I really don't have a strong feel on any of the top candidates. I was thinking of voting for Gram because if he is the duke then we can at least prove that he is a wizard since he'll have to use his duke power to lynch someone else.

[Raiders Army]

I'm sticking with Grammaticus. I think the argument that the DE would have offed him if he really was the Duke sticks.

[path12]

No worries, guys. Go get 'em.

[Desnudo]

Well this will definitely offer some insight if path12 turns out to be innocent. You all are ignoring the fact that Gram would be dead if he really were the duke.

[Poli]

I'm not ignoring it. When I left earlier, Gramm was the leading vote getter. When I returned, Path had I think three more votes and has recently picked up more. Moving my vote to Gramm at this point is useless.

[Poli]

Where's WVU been? I saw him earlier today. He didn't vote yesterday or today.

[Desnudo]

I don't see how it's useless, you switch and Path12 switches to Gram and it's a tie.

[Poli]

It's 9-5 right now.

[Poli]

Doh, I get it.

[Desnudo]

NM, not a tie, but still offers a chance, depending on if the one other shows up.

[Poli]

Decisions...

[Poli]

I'm an idiot.

[Poli]

Unvote Jesse

Vote Gramm

I'll do my part, though I'm still concerned about him.

[Desnudo]

I missed Taz' post, I guess you're right. If path12 is evil, well, good job everyone, we'll see in a few minutes.

[Poli]

I'd still like to point out I believe Gramm is the duke.

[Desnudo]

I'd like to test that. Why is he still alive if he is? You have a pretty clear role reveal early on and kills every night since. I can give a pass on the first few nights since they obviously figured out who the bodyguards and seer are. But after that?

[saldana]

just got home, nothing after 1030 counts...give me a couple minutes to count.

[Coffee Warlord]

...

[Schmidty]

Well this will definitely offer some insight if path12 turns out to be innocent. You all are ignoring the fact that Gram would be dead if he really were the duke.

Bingo.

[Desnudo]

Another bingo is that has anyone come to bat for Path? I haven't seen one person try and defend him. Maybe it's because they view him as a lost cause, but surely if he were a DE, someone would at least try and shift attention elsewhere?

[Poli]

That's a very good point.

[Schmidty]

At thi point, I have a strong feeling that Path is a wizard, but I think it's a lost cause. Too late, right?

[dacman]

Another bingo is that has anyone come to bat for Path? I haven't seen one person try and defend him. Maybe it's because they view him as a lost cause, but surely if he were a DE, someone would at least try and shift attention elsewhere?
And voting for other people is what exactly?

Gram sure caught a lot of heat today. A smart DE wouldn't defend path directly if path were a DE, they'd try to shift attention elsewhere.

[Desnudo]

And voting for other people is what exactly?

Gram sure caught a lot of heat today. A smart DE wouldn't defend path directly if path were a DE, they'd try to shift attention elsewhere.

That's certainly true. And if Path12 is a DE, you can move me right to the top of the list. If he's innocent, you and the rest of the dog pile get put there. ;)

[Desnudo]

Point being, that I know I'm not a DE, and I'm pretty sure Schmidty isn't, so I know that no DE is making that move. You can't know that for sure obviously, but it's common sense to me.

[saldana]

Day 5 - Paranoia has definitely run rampant as the downhill slide enters its 3rd day. It seems like ages ago that SnDvls became the second Death Eater to snog the Dementor. Accusations fly at people that were originally thought to be sure things on the side of Good. As the day comes to a close, you all sit around the Wasted Wizard drinking heavily, no one able to cope with the possibility that you are going to be wrong again, and another Wizard will die tonight. Third time's a charm seems to be underlying theme as the votes seem to land en masse on Path12, who offers little resistance, and no one seems to be interested in rising to his defense.

In your semi-drunken stupors, you don't really react at all to the entrance of the Dementor, who moves quickly towards Path12 and quickly ends his existance. The next 5 minutes are extremely sobering for the rest of you though, as the scene before you almost seems like you are watching a replay of the past two nights. One sleeve. Nothing. Other sleeve. More nothing. Another innocent Wizard gone, another night of terror on the way.

You search Path12's rooms which are filled with strange objects. Red smoke filled orbs and strange mirrors that don't actually show the people in front of them. They look alot like the things from Barkeep49's quarters. In fact they are the same. Sneakascopes and Foe Glasses that would have given Path12 a chance to escape if the Death Eaters had come for him in the night. Of course Dark Detectors only work if the people trying to harm you are evil...they did Path12 absolutely no good since he was killed by those he counted as his allies.

it is now night 5. this cycle will end on Monday morning at 9:30. hope everyone is enjoying the game thus far, enjoy your weekends...i will be watching the playoffs on my new HDTV

[dacman]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Desnudo]

Well, we have a while to debate this, but that certainly makes things much clearer to me. The only question is, what's the ratio at this point?

[Schmidty]

Good job, DEs. You got another Wizard.

I really wish you people would listen to reason. Another wasted day. Another Wizard closer to DE victory. :(

[KWhit]

Damn.

[Schmidty]

Grammaticus. Dubb. Jesse.

Those names just keep coming up, and for the most part, people keep ignoring them. Infuriating.

[Poli]

GAHHH!

This sucks! I'm off to work. See you guys shortly.

[path12]

....

[Schmidty]

It's obvious that the DEs have been piling on whoever is suspect that they know for sure is a wizard. There are definitely at least one in the path12 voting list; however, there are likely DEs in the non-path voters as well, since they don't want to all be caught voting for wizards.

[dacman]

28 to start, so figure 5-6 DE's. 18 left with 2 DE's dead, so figure 3-4 DE's left.

I believe we have left:

6.Ardent Enthusiast
7.Dacman
8.Lathum
11.Passacaglia
12.Desnudo
13.Coder
14.Raiders Army
15.Schmidty
16.KWhit
17.TazFTW
18.Dubb93
19.JeeberD
20.WVUFan
21.Kingfc22
22.Superman=#54
23.RPI-Fan
24.Grammaticus
27.Jesse_Ewiak

[Passacaglia]

Sounds like a pretty typical game at this point.

[Desnudo]

Grammaticus. Dubb. Jesse.

Those names just keep coming up, and for the most part, people keep ignoring them. Infuriating.

Hell, NC brought Dubb's name up earlier than anyone else. Here is my current list. Please, remaining wizards, let's try and think our options through carefully for the next vote:

Needs to be tested in the next vote:

Grammaticus, if Gram is evil, Dubb goes next

High Level of Suspicion

RPI-Fan - says nothing, just votes and leaves. His vote started the landslide. He's tops to me besides Gramm. I would be very suprised if he was not a DE.
Jesse - already been discussed. I'd have no qualms if he or RPI went in the next vote.


Medium Level of Suspicion

Dacman - gaining, though need more info
KWhit - gut plus voting
WVUFan - quiet since his near death
Superman - yes he was "cleared" early but still needs investigating. Maybe converted?
Passacaglia - not really sure on him at all, could be here or neutral, so I'll go with the gut.

Neutral Level of Suspicion

AE - bad voting, but he does have a reasonable excuse. History with CW needs to be taken into consideration
JeeberD - I think the victim of a witch hunt, has a reasonable excuse. Much more likely candidates than him, imo.
Lathum - haven't really gotten a good read, although he seems to be trying to do the right thing

Somewhat Trusted

Coder - seems to have good intentions
RA - ditto

Mostly Trusted

Schmidty - willing to take risks and take unpopular stands. Definitely unwolfish.

Trusted

The dead

[Schmidty]

Sounds like a pretty typical game at this point.

Great. Anything else useful to help?

[Desnudo]

Missed Taz, I'd put him under Medium Suspicion

[TazFTW]

It should be noted that RPI-Fan was the first to switch to Qwik after Neon's reveal.

[Desnudo]

Noted. And maybe he'll come on and defend himself at some point this weekend. My list still stands though. My personal feeling is that we really need to put Gram to the vote.

[dacman]

Good guys in green.
Bad guys in blue.

Day 1
qwik - 12 (neon, rpi, cronin, taz, alan, mr. w, kwhit, lathum, sndvls, jesse, dubb, desnudo)
superman - 2 (barkeep, blade)
AE - 2 (CW, schmidty)
neon - 2 (qwik, AE)
blade - 1 (jeeber)
desnudo - 1 (gram)
coder 1 - (RA)
RA 1 - (coder)
kwhit 1 - (king)
jeeber - 1 (dacman)
jesse - 1 (path)
no vote: pass, wvu, superman

Night 1 kills: barkeep, blade

Day 2
sndvls - 11 (dacman, king, wvu, CW, jesse, lathum, schmidty, pass, neon, dubb, superman)
wvu - 10 (RA, jeeber, sndvls, gram, AE, cronin, alan, kwhit, path, mr. w)
CW - 2 (coder, desnudo)
superman - 1 (taz)
pass - 1 (rpi)
no vote: none

Night 2 kill: neon

Day 3
alan - 7 (pass, CW, RA, rpi, dubb, AE, mr. w)
mr. w - 6 (dacman, coder, path, wvu, taz, desnudo)
path - 5 (gram, lathum, jeeber, king, jesse)
jeeber - 4 (alan, cronin, superman, schmidty)
no vote: kwhit

Night 3 kill: cronin

Day 4
mr. w - 10 (dubb, kwhit, gram, wvu, RA, AE, coder, pass, desnudo, taz)
AE - 5 (CW, path, superman, king, mr. w)
path - 3 (lathum, dacman, jeeber)
pass - 1 (rpi)
jeeber - 1 (schmidty)
no vote: jesse

Night 4 kill: CW

Day 5
path - 9 (king, lathum, gram, rpi, superman, jesse, dacman, kwhit, taz)
gram - 6 (coder, schmidty, desnudo, RA, jeeber, AE)
AE - 3 (path, pass, dubb)
no vote: wvu

[Poli]

Dac, great post. However, I hate to point this out, but I believe my vote went to Neon...before his reveal.

[Blade6119]

Can i say as a now dead observer that you guys are amazing?...3 villagers in a row(7 if you count night kills since the last wolf died)...*whimpers from grave*

[Alan T]

Can i say as a now dead observer that you guys are amazing?...3 villagers in a row(7 if you count night kills since the last wolf died)...*whimpers from grave*


I blame you. your fault entirely! :)

[Blade6119]

I knew i was dying and left you bits and pieces of knowledge to use...i mean i "guessed" about some info out loud. Dont blame me, i lynched a wolf everyday i was alive(ok, i was only alive 1 day, but that means im batting 100% baby)

[dacman]

I see dead people.

[Blade6119]

Dola, im just happy cronin died...that was my entire goal this game, so i feel quite happy

[dacman]

Dac, great post. However, I hate to point this out, but I believe my vote went to Neon...before his reveal.
Fixed.

[Poli]

That's a little messed up.

[Blade6119]

Fixed.
as an observer, what did you fix? it looks the same

[dacman]

That's a little messed up.
Is something else wrong, or are you just making comments?

[Schmidty]

Can i say as a now dead observer that you guys are amazing?...3 villagers in a row(7 if you count night kills since the last wolf died)...*whimpers from grave*

That comment makes me feel like shit. Maybe I should go back to not talking.

[dacman]

as an observer, what did you fix? it looks the same
Day 1 -- had AE voting for superman instead of Neon

[Schmidty]

Is something else wrong, or are you just making comments?

At this point in the game, such a bitchy comment is.....interesting.

[Blade6119]

Day 1 -- had AE voting for superman instead of Neon
Ah, usually people fix the quote above when they say that...never looked back at your list...my fault

[Poli]

Is something else wrong, or are you just making comments?I think you guys just need some sleep. I'd be asleep if I could be.

That was intended for Blade's comment about cronin.

[dacman]

At this point in the game, such a bitchy comment is.....interesting.
I thought ardent was talking to me about my table -- I nowthink he was referring to the blade's comment, which I agree is messed up.

[dacman]

I swear I posted that before ardent did.

[Blade6119]

lol, the cronin comment was a joke...im trying to cheer myself up, as watching this game is quite depressing for a villager like myself...im sure the demons are getting quite a kick out of this though

[Schmidty]

lol, the cronin comment was a joke...im trying to cheer myself up, as watching this game is quite depressing for a villager like myself...im sure the demons are getting quite a kick out of this though

Honestly, just stop posting actual words. That way, you'll be safe either way.

[Blade6119]

Honestly, just stop posting actual words. That way, you'll be safe either way.
No, if i stop talking i wont make it past day 1(lynch)...if i talk, i get night killed day 1...either way im screwed

[Schmidty]

No, if i stop talking i wont make it past day 1(lynch)...if i talk, i get night killed day 1...either way im screwed

Life is hard.

Goodnight fellow WW players.

[kingfc22]

Gah, that sucks. Gramm is suspect numero uno right now for me.

[Lathum]

sorry path, I was wrong but it seemed like you had some special powers or at least some special artifacts, why didn't he tell us that before the mob began?

[kingfc22]

The follwing records the final votes for all the remaining members of the village.

Analysis based on votes:

Jesse - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Path x2)
Dubb - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Alan. Mr. W), 1 unknown vote
Lathum - 2 DE votes (Qwik, sndvls), 3 wizard votes (Path x3)
Schmidty - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 4 unknown votes
Superman - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 1 wizard vote (Path), 2 unknown votes
WVUFan - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Mr. W x2)
KWhit - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 2 wizard votes (Mr. W, Path), 1 unknown vote
Pass - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Alan, Mr. W), 1 unknown vote
King - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 2 wizard votes (Path x2), 2 unknown votes
RPI - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 2 wizard votes (Alan, Path), 2 unknown votes
Dacman - 1 DE vote (sndvls), 3 wizard vote (Mr. W, Path x2), 1 unknown vote
Desnudo - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 3 wizard votes (Mr. W x2, CW), 1 unknown
Taz - 1 DE vote (Qwik), 4 wizard votes (superman, Mr. W x2, Path)
RA - 2 wizard votes (Alan, Mr. W), 3 unknown votes
Jeeber - 3 wizard votes (blade, Path x2), 2 unknown votes
Gramm - 3 wizard votes (Mr. W, Path x2), 2 unknown votes
Coder - 3 wizard votes (Mr. W x2, CW), 2 unknown votes
AE - 3 wizard votes (Neon, Alan, Mr. W), 2 unknown votes

[Desnudo]

sorry path, I was wrong but it seemed like you had some special powers or at least some special artifacts, why didn't he tell us that before the mob began?

Would it have made a difference? So he says he has some equipment that prevents him from getting killed at night. I don't know how you prove it. It seems like the general strategy here is to go quietly into the night, I'll agree with that.

We shouldn't get too down though, we still have a decent shot considering the number of players.

[Poli]

It just doesn't make sense to me, though. If I always play my role close to my chest. The last two games I've come out with fake role reveals to hide my true role. But when it's obvious you're getting lynched, you might as well play that trump card. I know I would have done it.

[path12]

sorry path, I was wrong but it seemed like you had some special powers or at least some special artifacts, why didn't he tell us that before the mob began?

If I mention them they're useless, and by the time I was far enough gone to make the reveal, you wouldn't have believed me.

[Blade6119]

Would it have made a difference? So he says he has some equipment that prevents him from getting killed at night. I don't know how you prove it.
It said he had dark detectors in his room...read the rules about dark detectors...just a note for you

[TazFTW]

It said he had dark detectors in his room...read the rules about dark detectors...just a note for you
How would that help? So, he says he has dark detectors what are the rest of us going to do? Ask the death eaters to attack path, so he can prove that he is a wizard? I doubt the death eaters would comply with such a request.

[Blade6119]

How would that help? So, he says he has dark detectors what are the rest of us going to do? Ask the death eaters to attack path, so he can prove that he is a wizard? I doubt the death eaters would comply with such a request.
No, its just saying that him defending himself would have been pointless...people asked why he didnt come out with his information, and thats the answer...none of you would have believed him...if you hadnt lycnhed him he could have been a key asset as the wolves would have needed to waste two days to kill him...just saying dont ridicule him for not better defending himself by revealing his role when no one would have believed it anyways(not directed at you, but more at dacman and ardent)

[TazFTW]

Ah, okay. Misread what your comment was addressing.

[Desnudo]

No, its just saying that him defending himself would have been pointless...people asked why he didnt come out with his information, and thats the answer...none of you would have believed him...if you hadnt lycnhed him he could have been a key asset as the wolves would have needed to waste two days to kill him...just saying dont ridicule him for not better defending himself by revealing his role when no one would have believed it anyways(not directed at you, but more at dacman and ardent)

Uhh, yeah, that's exactly what I said in my post. :confused:

[Coder]

Day 5 Vote Timeline and tally


Raiders Vote Jesse Jesse (1)
Coder Vote Gram Jesse (1), Gram (1)
Path12 Vote Ardent Jesse (1), Gram (1), Ardent (1)
Pass Vote Ardent Jesse (1), Gram (1), Ardent (2)
dubb Vote Ardent Jesse (1), Gram (1), Ardent (3)
king Vote Path12 Jesse (1), Gram (1), Ardent (3), Path12 (1)
Schmidty Vote Gram Jesse (1), Gram (2), Ardent (3), Path12 (1)
Desnudo Vote Gram Jesse (1), Gram (3), Ardent (3), Path12 (1)
Lathum Vote Path12 Jesse (1), Gram (3), Ardent (3), Path12 (2)
Gram Vote Path12 Jesse (1), Gram (3), Ardent (3), Path12 (3)
Raiders Unvote Jesse Gram (3), Ardent (3), Path12 (3)
Raiders Vote Gram Gram (4), Ardent (3), Path12 (3)
JeeberD Vote Gram Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (3)
Ardent Vote Jesse Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (3), Jesse (1)
RPI Vote Path12 Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (4), Jesse (1)
Superman Vote Jesse Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (4), Jesse (2)
Superman Unvote Jesse Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (4), Jesse (1)
Superman Vote Path12 Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (5), Jesse (1)
Kwhit Vote Jesse Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (5), Jesse (2)
Jesse Vote Path12 Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (6), Jesse (2)
Kwhit Unvote Jesse Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (6), Jesse (1)
dacman Vote Path12 Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (7), Jesse (1)
Kwhit Vote Path12 Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (8), Jesse (1)
Taz Vote Path12 Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (9), Jesse (1)
Ardent Unvote Jesse Gram (5), Ardent (3), Path12 (9)
Ardent Vote Gram Gram (6), Ardent (3), Path12 (9)

[Coder]

No thorough analysis on that list other than the fact that Gram is still alive and this time he was a big part in killing path... however, I'm pretty certain that most of us at least had some suspicion of Path so it wasn't a completely strange move.

However, Gram is definately my top candidate now.. just like Des and Schmidty says, if he is the duke (I'm guessing that means he's the guy from the Ministry of Magic?), then he'll be able to clear himself immediately and no "real" harm done at this late stage of the game.

If Gram falls, then dubb is the most likely number 2 guy.

1) Grammaticus
2) dubb
3) Kwhit
4) Superman

My Kwhit and Superman suspicions are based on their votes today and their reasoning for placing them.

Kwhit first voted for Jesse (the odd candidate), claiming it was because he switched votes late in the SnDvls-voting.. which was false.. Jesse never did that. Then he changed his Jesse-vote to Path (wizard).

Superman gave no reason to vote for Jesse, then a "hmmm" when unvoting, and finally voting for Path (he makes sense?).

[Poli]

I see I'm not the only one up trying to make sense of all this. Course it is 4 am where I'm at. :)

[Poli]

I've been wading through the posts starting from the very beginning. I found a few "interesting" things, nothing incredibly noteworthy.

Day 1: I go to class. Neon tells someone to take a chill pill. I never saw that. When I got back from class I pretty much scanned and skipped my way to the day vote, where I found that Neon had did his role reveal. What's so funny about that? When I got angry at Neon, I told him to take a chill pill. Ironic to me.

Blade mentions there are two bodyguards, and "it's a fact."

Really out of the first 350 posts, those are the only things I saw so far. I'm still wading, though.

[Poli]

How about you?

[Raiders Army]

We have to go for Grammaticus on the next lynch. I fail to see why there was a pile on path.

[st.cronin]

Dola, im just happy cronin died...that was my entire goal this game, so i feel quite happy

I will take your mother out for a nice seafood dinner, and NEVER CALL HER AGAIN!!!!!!!! :mad:

[JeeberD]

No, its just saying that him defending himself would have been pointless...people asked why he didnt come out with his information, and thats the answer...none of you would have believed him...if you hadnt lycnhed him he could have been a key asset as the wolves would have needed to waste two days to kill him...just saying dont ridicule him for not better defending himself by revealing his role when no one would have believed it anyways(not directed at you, but more at dacman and ardent)

But why would the DEs bothered to have gone after him? He's been relatively on the hotseat for three days now...wouldn't it have been a waste for them to go after a guy who was probably going to get lynched anyways?

[Desnudo]

I think Path did try and defend himself early, but threw in the towel, maybe a little early, but I understand. I don't know what could have saved him, except maybe the duke, except the "duke" voted for him also.

Yes, the two nights to kill thing would have been great, now that we all know what his capability was. Any insight into who is going to win the 2005 World Series Blade?

[Qwikshot]

Panic on the streets of london
Panic on the streets of birmingham
I wonder to myself
Could life ever be sane again ?
The leeds side-streets that you slip down
I wonder to myself
Hopes may rise on the grasmere
But honey pie, you’re not safe here
So you run down
To the safety of the town
But there’s panic on the streets of carlisle
Dublin, dundee, humberside
I wonder to myself

[Mr. Wednesday]

Seems like there's more undead folks around than there should be (glares at Blade and path12).

[kingfc22]

We have to go for Grammaticus on the next lynch. I fail to see why there was a pile on path.
I agree with this. If he is the Duke it will allow us to "clear" 2 players, Gram and the person he decides to kill.

[Blade6119]

I will take your mother out for a nice seafood dinner, and NEVER CALL HER AGAIN!!!!!!!! :mad:
I was never a big fan of that movie, but that line always cracked me up...nice one

[Coder]

I agree with this. If he is the Duke it will allow us to "clear" 2 players, Gram and the person he decides to kill.

Even though I share your opinion, I'm feeling my list of people who HAVE to go will be a hell of a lot longer in case he proves to be a wizard.






Considering how drunk I am at the time, I'm mightily impressed with my spelling.. Please consider the fact that English is not my primary language and it's 4:20 a.m.

Edit.. I guess my spelling wasn't that great after all.

Edit #2: fixed spelling again

[Coder]

I was never a big fan of that movie, but that line always cracked me up...nice one

What movie is that... cause Ilaughed.

[Schmidty]

Please consider the fact that English is not my rpimary language and it's 4:20 a.m.

come on. Niklaus Lidstrom is from Sweden and he sounds like a perfect Midwesterner.

[st.cronin]

What movie is that... cause Ilaughed.

Anchorman!

[Coder]

Anchorman!


Ooooh.. I know Anchorman.. cause

"San Diego is german.. it means VAGINA"...

[Coder]

come on. Niklaus Lidstrom is from Sweden and he sounds like a perfect Midwesterner.


St Nick is cool... but I've got a southern accent when I speak English... my Market Contact in Germany (who's British) laughs at me when I talk to her.

[Coder]

Are we going to win this game or not? Can we lynch some Death Eaters next time please?

[Poli]

Sober up yet, Coder? :)

[Coder]

Sober up yet, Coder? :)

I think so...

I'm starving...


I wonder if the "day after"-pizza can be had at 1 p.m. or if I should wait a while.

[Poli]

Well, I've successfully gone through all 1654 posts. That was like a marathon.

[Neon_Chaos]

I bet you're all missing me right now. :) I know I would.

[Superman=#54]

I bet you're all missing me right now. :) I know I would.

I love lamp.

[Schmidty]

I bet you're all missing me right now. :) I know I would.

Que? I think if people would listen to reason, they wouldn't be missing you at all.

[Qwikshot]

I love lamp.

Milk was a baaaad choice!

[Alan T]

I bet you're all missing me right now. :) I know I would.


I'm not sure if my dead corpse is yet or not :)

[Blade6119]

I bet you're all missing me right now. :) I know I would.
MEATLOAF THIS!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

I know no one else will get that, but he should :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Werewolf XX Weekend - When Ghosts Attack.

[Blade6119]

dola, anyone find it funny the dead people are now the only ones posting? Its like every active person is now dead, but hasnt stopped talking ;)

[Blade6119]

ok, coffee screwed my dola and my post meaning....but still

[Coffee Warlord]

Nyah ha!

[st.cronin]

dola, anyone find it funny the dead people are now the only ones posting? Its like every active person is now dead, but hasnt stopped talking ;)

Oh boy, sleep! That's where I'm a Viking.

[Desnudo]

St Nick is cool... but I've got a southern accent when I speak English... my Market Contact in Germany (who's British) laughs at me when I talk to her.

How did you end up with a Southern accent?

[Coder]

How did you end up with a Southern accent?

Long story short.. 2 years in South Georgia studying journalism.

[kingfc22]

Is there anyway we can end the night phase tonight or sometime today? Would give us something to talk about.

[saldana]

Is there anyway we can end the night phase tonight or sometime today? Would give us something to talk about.

actually........no

[Neon_Chaos]

MEATLOAF THIS!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

I know no one else will get that, but he should :)
:cool:

You and your stupid tie attempts. :mad: :p

[Desnudo]

studying journalism.

Clearly evil, I can't believe I didn't see it.

[kingfc22]

actually........no
ok


*walks off hanging head in shame*

[Desnudo]

ok


*walks off hanging head in shame*

http://www.luds.net/galeries/nelson.gif

[kingfc22]

Desnudo - nice, LOL

[Neon_Chaos]

LOL.

[dubb93]

Was that just werewolfs first picture? Now all we need is a pumpy pic and this game may be the one to take werewolf mainstream.

[Coder]

So.. who are the werewolves most likely to kill? Those of us who have been rather vocal lately, or those who have been quiet.

Depending on if they kill someone in my personal circle of "trusted people", then they're only pointing the finger at themselves. However, if they avoid the more vocal people, they're maintaining that uncertainty that's been so successful for them the past few nights.

[Coder]

Clearly evil, I can't believe I didn't see it.

Hehe :) I don't work as a journalist though.

[Raiders Army]

So night is over?

[Raiders Army]

I'll be out most of the day, so I'll take the first strike (unless I got killed during the night):

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

I think I already explained why earlier.

[Coder]

I don't think the night is over yet... or we would have seen a deathnotice from Saldana.

Or am I wrong? I was under the impression that each night is followed by a Death Eater kill?

[Neon_Chaos]

Night is not over until Saldana posts the night results.

[saldana]

What seems like the longest night of your lives passes slowly. Each of you spends most of the time alone not even involving yourselves with the other Wizards in the village. The pub is practically empty. The town is so quiet, one would swear they could hear the voices of the dead floating through the town. You actually become accustomed to the silence, and many of you seem content to have it continue until the night is torn apart once again by the electric green glow of death shining in all your windows. The Death Eaters, who have now been having their way with all of you since SnDvls died are running through the streets roaring with laughter after their latest attack, apparently,the fact that they continue their spree with impuninity is amusing to them. Nothing is amusing to the rest of you however when the sun rises and the events of last week are reenacted as though there had been no interruption in the cycle of death. You all go to the place where the Dark Mark had hovered, and once you dejectedly enter the home of dacman, you find his corpse, slashed diagonally from shoulder to hip, just like Saldana's so many nights ago. His organs spilled out on the floor of his kitchen, and his mug of hot chocolate with marshmallows spilled on the floor next to him. dacman was definitely not a Death Eater, unless the Dark Lord gives gifts of fuzzy pink bunny slippers to his followers. And with that, you understand the laughter of the night before....the question now is, will their mockery of your dead comrade's footwear steel your reserve and rally you to victory, or will you continue to cower in fear of the darkness as He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named takes all that you hold dear for his own.

day 6 has begun, voting ends at 9:30pm tonight (and i will count RA's vote because it came after 9:30 am)

[Coder]

And we're off..

I was working my excel-sheet earlier and noticed that dacman's votes pretty clearly pointed out that he was not a deatheater, so we don't only lose a good guy, it doesn't help clear the picture any.

dacman had a clean voting record, usually voted one time and stuck with his vote. He voted for SnDvls early (the second person to vote) and never changed.

I'll be waiting with my vote for a few hours to see if anyone does anything interesting, but my list stands:

1) Grammaticus
2) dubb
3) Kwhit


Let me give you some stats:

Gram's votes


Name Vote Day When Total Votes
Gram Vote Desnudo Day 1 24 47
Gram Vote SnDvls Day 2 17 59
Gram Unvote SnDvls Day 2 23 59
Gram Vote WVUFan Day 2 27 59
Gram Vote Path12 Day 3 12 51
Gram Vote Pass Day 4 3 30
Gram Unvote Pass Day 4 16 30
Gram Vote Wednesday Day 4 17 30
Gram Vote Path12 Day 5 10 26

Dubb's votes

Name Vote Day When Total Votes
Dubb vote Neon Day 1 10 47
dubb unvote Neon Day 1 14 47
dubb vote Mr. Wednesday Day 1 15 47
dubb switch to Qwik Day 1 46 47
dubb vote WVUFan Day 2 12 59
dubb unvote WVUFan Day 2 20 59
dubb vote Pass Day 2 21 59
dubb unvote Pass Day 2 25 59
dubb vote SnDvls Day 2 26 59
dubb unvote SnDvls Day 2 43 59
dubb vote WVUFan Day 2 44 59
dubb unvote WVUFan Day 2 53 59
dubb vote SnDvls Day 2 54 59
dubb vote path12 Day 3 8 51
dubb unvote path12 Day 3 45 51
dubb vote AlanT Day 3 46 51
Dubb Vote Wednesday Day 4 7 30
dubb Vote Ardent Day 5 5 26

Kwhit's votes


Name Vote Day When Total Votes
KWhit vote Superman Day 1 13 47
Kwhit switch to Qwik Day 1 42 47
KWhit vote WVUFan Day 2 55 59
Kwhit Vote Wednesday Day 4 10 30
Kwhit Vote Jesse Day 5 19 26
Kwhit Unvote Jesse Day 5 21 26
Kwhit Vote Path12 Day 5 23 26

[Coder]

Quick comment:

KWhit looks extremely suspicous if you just go by voting record..

First day vote on Superman, switched to Qwik for the bandwagon (quite late being number 42 in 47 total votes)

Second day he voted for WVUFan very late in the rush to "save" SnDvls.

Third day he was MIA.

Fourth day he voted for Mr W (who we now know was a wizard) early (10/30).

Fifth day he first voted Jesse, then swapped to Path12 (wizard) just before the deadline.

[Lathum]

vote gramm

I may be out most of the day and we don't have much to go by other then vote patterns.

[Poli]

Listen guys, as most of you know, I had duty this weekend...which meant I had 12 hours at work, 12 hours off. I spent most of that time in front of a computer, and I took that time to review every single post we had made. It took forever. The very next post will be the results of my work.

I sat down and "replied to thread" the first day. I realized I wasn't going to finish, but since I didn't have much, I just posted what I had seen so far...which was pretty much nothing.

Yesterday, I saw something pretty incredible. I think I caught a Death Eater in a lie. I nearly posted the following post yesterday morning, but as I continued to read and write I began to worry I might be killed during the night actions as a result. So, I saved the information for today.

[Poli]

All right. I've done my college homework, my sailors are asleep. I can try and tackle this now. Yesterday I spent most of the night swimming through the posts looking for anything that might help me.

Quote:
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Blade, do you have some sort of dark detection device like a sneakoscope ? Did you fall into a pensive by any chance?
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This didn't make much sense to me previously, but now that path has died I think Lathum may possess dark detectors. That being the case, I will be trusting Lathum more.

Quote:
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A vote on me would be wasted let the DE attack me first before I die...
I'm not going to bandwagon on SnDvls, there is no reason to. I save a vote for later. Continue to badwagon on me, and lose an ally.
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Taken from the day sndvls was lynched. I bring this up because I think I read yesterday that a few people are suspicious of him. Only one person, Taz, left their vote on him that day. No one has voted for him since. This probably has more to deal with the fact he was the "lynch"pin (I know...groan) that sent sndvls out of the game.

One question remains for me...and it was brought up but really not addressed. Superman didn't vote the first day. When asked, he said "...by the time the deadline came I could not make an informed desicion.(post 516)"
Dubb and dacman both question this, but no answer is provided. I can understand it's hard to choose someone to lynch on day 1. That's why I usually rely on my old standby Schmidty. However, by the time Superman was in to vote, Neon had revealed his role and outed Qwikshot.

Quote:
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Sndvls is legit
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Coder, who previously said he had read the Potter books, quoted the Anti-Disapparation Charm stuff from somewhere. In post 663, Coder defends Sndvls by saying Sndvls claimed to have no knowledge of HP (sndvls did claim this, btw), and therefore wouldn't have been clever enough to make this up.

Cronin, ironically, in post 666, said "[sndvls] could very well have been fed the idea by another death-eater. After thinking about it, I like him as a death-eater even more now."

Later in 663, coder says we have nothing to lose by giving sndvls the benefit of the doubt, and that coffee warlord's "relentess attempts" made the warlord more suspicious.

My vote for WVU came soon afterward in post 670. Looking back, I may have been influenced by coder's posts. Neon's arrival was marked at post 716. By 722, Neon threw his red challenge flag into the ring. Neon began burning everyone who challenged sndvl's guilt, starting with alan t, moving to kwhit, and finally to me. In 858, Neon included Path and Mr.W, due to their ill fated late votes on WVU. It's a little puzzling in hindsight that coder wasn't listed, but that's probably because Neon didn't see it in time.

Sndvls is lynched.

Neon posts his circle of trust in 887. "st. cronin, wvufan, lathum, kingfc22, cw, superman"

Coder posts for the first time in 902. Coder quotes Neon's suspect list. I find this interesting looking back at it. 1 hour, 20 minutes later, and perhaps he was just catching up on the posts like I was,

Quote:
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[i]Then this morning when I woke up I immediately checked to see how things had gone and was very stumped to find out he was a liar.. [img]http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/frown.gif[/img] Not to mention the complete embarrasment of finding Neon's posts from BEFORE I started jumping up and down qouting books etc, stating exactly what the said spell was all about.[/i]
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Neon's posts came AFTERcoder validated sndvls.

Two posts later, coder offers his explanation that the early morning hours may have had an effect.

Post 987, Coder is the first to respond to saldana's invisibility cloak post. He doesn't appear to be overly excited about it. Reading on, most everyone else doesn't either.

Lathum puts coder on his suspect list: Post 1036. Coder responds in 1060 and 1061. Lathum talks about cronin unvoting him in his post, but coder defends himself stating he never voted for Lathum. I don't think that's what Lathum was getting at. I think Lathum was seeing what I am now.

Lathum veers off target (IMO) in 1070.

Quote:
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[i]OK, here is my theory. sndvls had no Harry Potter expierience that I know of so for him to make up his story he had to do alot of online research or another death eater was PMing him what say to try and wiggle his way out.

What leads me to this theory is sndvls mentions another spell, reparo, which is an actuall spell from the books. The odds that someone who hasn't read the books will come up with this is a long shot at best.[/i]
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Post 1080: WVU claims the invisibility cloak. It is never disputed. To me, this makes WVU a trusted villager. Coder says in 1120 he was going to cast a vote to WVU for his weak explanation (and a few of us thought it was), but says if we're ok with it, he is.

Post 1164: Wednesday hints, well at least RA and I think he did, he has a larger role.

Wednesday makes the late switch that sends alan t packing.

1284: Cronin dies from the night actions, but at the same time posts his circle of trust in 1285:
Quote:
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[i]Superman, WVUFan, and everybody that voted for SnDvls- dubb (although he did hop around a bit, looking somewhat fishy), Passacaglia, Schmidty, Lathum, Jesse, Coffee, Grammaticus, king, Dacman. It's possible one of those is a death-eater. I am suspicious of KWhit and JeeberD.[/i]
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1287: Jeeber claims he's being framed for cronin's death.

1289: Wednesday speaks. At this point, I had already began to believe Wednesday. I had switched my vote off of him the night before to Alan T...which turned out to be a bad idea as well.

Quote:
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[i]Second set of thoughts on the voting yesterday:
[u]dacman[/u] and [u]coder[/u] cast early votes for me and didn't budge. Same for [u]Gram[/u] with path12. [u]Alan[/u] cast an early vote for JeeberD. [u]Lathum[/u], [u]path12[/u], and [u]WVUFan[/u] cast unchanged votes more towards the middle, for path12, me, and me, respectively. [u]Pass[/u] and [u]Taz[/u] voted semi-late for Alan and me. [u]Desnudo[/u], [u]Superman=#54[/u], and [u]Jesse[/u] cast late votes for me, Jeeber, and path12, respectively.

That's my general pool of suspicion, although there are exceptions in [u]Superman=#54[/u] (tiebreaking vote for SnDvls), [u]Lathum[/u] (kicked off the charge against SnDvls), [u]WVUFan[/u] (invisibility cloak last night), and [u]Alan[/u] (obviously). This is what might happen if the DEs see a lot of normal wizards getting suspicion and they want to vote without drawing attention to themselves -- they can safely cast a vote for any of us and then sit back and watch the fireworks, knowing that they are not in the position of starting a bandwagon or breaking a tie.[/i]
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The next post Wednesday lists his suspects as "dacman, coder, Gram, Pass, Taz, Desnudo, and Jesse."

1311: Gramm posts his list of suspects. Coder is in the "invisible or nearly so" group.

1323: By now Lathum has forgotten his suspicion of Coder and is clearly focused on Path. For the 2nd day in a row he votes Path.

1347, 1348: Wednesday posts his thoughts on his suspects:
"* coder - really early vote for CW = highly suspicious as a "blend-in" lurker"
1348 he votes Coder.

1350: Coder addresses his status on Gramm's list...time zone differences are what keep him "invisible", my word, not his.

1355: Coder mentions he doesn't like Wednesday's list...that he has a wizardry feel for all of them.

1378: Wednesday takes his vote off of coder and puts it on me. That momentarily tied the vote up. Me being online, I cast a vote for Wednesday, also out of self preservation in post 1380. As I vote, I restate that I believe Wednesday is a villager. 1382: Wednesday acknowledges my reason.

1416: Quote:
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[i]My list of "lurker" type suspects has been posted upthread, I would [b]strongly[/b] recommend that you review it. [/i]
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Coder posts a voting list in 1457. In 1459 he writes:
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[i]Thoughts on my list above..

1) Why did Gram change from Path to Wednesday when Path was in the lead, thereby causing a tie?
2) RPI picked Pass late and he wasn't even "in the race".. so he basically threw his vote away.[/i]
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1466: CW dies due to the night action.
1469: Seeing CW die, and the way he came after me the day before, I respond that I'm being setup.
1470: Coder admits that CW was on his suspect list, though he wasn't considered since day 2. He votes Gramm in 1473. 1501: Coder states if Gramm is a villager, feel free to vote "me, Schmidty and Desnudo"

1519: Gramm thinks of doing something extreme. In 1523, he says he's put it in motion. Looking back, the order, if there was one, must have been along the lines of, "If I'm lynched, duke "X player" instead." At that point, gramm leads the vote at 4-3-3 (Gramm, path, me). By the end of the day, it's 9 path, 6 gramm, 3 me).

1534: I call out the quiet ones of the game, and vote Jesse (later moved to Gramm to try for the tie). I state I believe Gramm is the duke, and take a ration of crap from Schmidty for it. Maybe not a ration, but he does ask why.

1633, 1634: Coder posts the Day 5 vote timeline and his suspicion list.

Coder engages in some drunk posting...nothing to see here.
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I started this last night and finished it earlier this morning hoping to find out more about people...somewhere around 5 am.

I think I did. I trust Lathum a lot more now.
I thought in the beginning I was going to doubt Superman, but Coder's posts caught my attention. Specifically, where I wrote above:

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[i]Then this morning when I woke up I immediately checked to see how things had gone and was very stumped to find out he was a liar.. [img]http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/frown.gif[/img] Not to mention the complete embarrasment of finding Neon's posts from BEFORE I started jumping up and down qouting books etc, stating exactly what the said spell was all about.[/i]
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Neon's posts came AFTER coder validated sndvls.

Now here this: I'm not claiming to be the seer...and now I'm thinking I'll save this post somewhere and actually post it tomorrow. I'm afraid if I post this today (Sunday) I won't live past the night actions tonight.

The other day I was calling out the quiet ones. I still believe that's the way to go. However, I'm positive I've caught Coder in a lie.

Coder, you've flown under the radar too long.
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[Poli]

My trust list:
Lathum
Superman
WVU
Gramm
Schmidty

Some trust:
Raiders

Not sure:
Everyone else

Distrust:
Coder

[Poli]

VOTE CODER

[Coder]

I'm honored :)

[Poli]

Coder, this didn't start out the way it looks. I originally began to question Superman...and then I saw what you did.

[Desnudo]

Interesting.

[Coder]

No defense really.. but this is my first game.. I think I've understood it more and more each day. I've made some terrible mistakes in voting for people that I have felt were bad.. I distrusted Coffee, I distrusted Wednesday..

for the apparatus-stuff I was just so excited I knew something. However, I also made several posts trying to clear up what it was.. I even went on to say that I lost confidence in my own knowledge on the issue (I can find the qoute but it will take a while). I first stated he was "legit", but then I wikied the dis-apparatus spell and was confused by what I read (which I posted).

I was willing to give SnDvls the benefit of the doubt because I fell for his lie.. I thought that if he was given a chance to protect Neon and failed, we knew he'd be a deatheater. If he'd succeeded, we'd have another one revealed.

Problem with all this is that it makes me out to be a fantastic liar... and I'm afraid to say that I'm not. I was just sitting here thinking earlier that I wonder how I would act if I was a deatheater, because I couldn't come up with a convincing lie if my life depended on it.

Looking forward to this.. first time a whole post (a huge one even) is dedicated to me, and only me :).

[Coder]

For those who are interested, here are my votes:


Name Vote Day Vote Total Votes
Coder Vote Raiders Day 1 19 47
Coder Vote Coffee Day 2 2 59
Coder Vote Mr W Day 3 7 51
Coder Vote Mr W Day 4 26 30
Coder Vote Gram Day 5 2 26

[TazFTW]

VOTE Grammaticus After wrongly lynching path, I have to go for the other suspect at the time and that is Gram. The way I see it if Gram is the duke then he can use his power to lynch someone else. If Ardent has a strong suspicion of Coder then why can't Gram use his duke power to lynch Coder?

[Coder]

My lists go as follow:

TRUSTED

Desnudo
because he seems to think like me

Schmidty
gut feeling mostly, but seems to think like a wizard

Ardent
despite his feelings about me, he feels honest

Jeeber
I had suspicions about him based solely on the general consensus that he should be more active. Reviewing his voting shows that he's voted both for Gram and Dubb, two who I think are deatheaters.


Deatheaters in descending order:

Grammaticus
voting pattern speaks against him, but I don't buy the duke-stuff either

Kwhit
Voting pattern again. Few votes and bandwagon votes on deatheaters, otherwise known wizards

dubb
persistant in defending Gram, freaky voting pattern (above)

Superman
Guess this one will make Ardent happy since he's got Superman as trusted, and this confirms his theory about me ;). However, Superman he's been doing some dodgy voting as well. During day 5, Superman was the one to tilt the balance from Gram to Path. First he voted for Jesse without a reason, then he unvoted Jesse and voted for Path, his only explanation being "hmmmm".

Summary:

Now if all this is a big lie from me, don't you think I deserve at least a round of applauds? :)

Seriously, I offer you a simple solution. For the wizards to win we need to focus on one at a time. The Deatheaters have the benefit of being able to coordinate their votes better than we do. However, if we vote Grammaticus today and he is who he says he is, then he should be able to avoid the lynching and put me there. If he is the duke, then he survives a lynching and if he is a deatheater, then we finally get one back.

If he is the duke and then lynches me, then we have a new duke (is that how it works, if the duke uses his "power" to avoid being lynched and lynches a wizard, then someone else gets that role or what?)

[Superman=#54]

I'm still suspcious of JeeberD, but the stronger suspects are Gramm and Coder. Gramm claims he is the duke. Coder's voting record doesn't look very good. I'm leaning towards voting for Gramm just to clear him, it would be interesting to see who he chooses to lynch.

[Desnudo]

Not sure if the role transfers, but if Gramm really is the duke, again, why did they kill Dacman last night and not him? I really wish Gramm would just comment one way or the other instead of being obscure about it. Either way, I think going Gramm today will help clear up matters and gives us the best shot at netting a DE (either him or his pick).

[dubb93]

Suspect List:

Coder
Desnudo
Schmidty

If they aren't death eaters, they are probably the 3 dumbest werewolf players ever, bar none. I'm going by actions, and the fact that I always pop up in their potential DE circle. Gramm, if I were you I would take one of these 3 tonight after they duke you.

Trusted

Gramm: The duke

Ardent: Took the time to catch something I don't think a DE would try to catch in Coder's lie. Even if he is wrong about Code, a DE wouldn't take that much time.

Superman: Cast deciding vote on Sun

I don't a feeling on the rest of them at this point. I will be looking back through the thread later today.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

[Raiders Army]

Back. I agree; if we go with Grammaticus today and he truly is who he says he is, then he can lynch Coder (or whoever).

[Raiders Army]

Trusted

Gramm: The duke
How are you so sure he's the duke? Because he says he is? And if he's the duke, then why haven't the wolves killed him yet? I'm beginning to get more and more distrustful of you.

[Coder]

they are probably the 3 dumbest werewolf players ever, bar none.


Hehe, I probably am.. :) Not sure about the other two though.. could be I'm being just as dumb as you think and they're actually deatheaters and are laughing like crazy at me now :).

[Desnudo]

Suspect List:

If they aren't death eaters, they are probably the 3 dumbest werewolf players ever, bar none. I'm going by actions, and the fact that I always pop up in their potential DE circle. Gramm, if I were you I would take one of these 3 tonight after they duke you.

Thanks, personal insults are always a nice touch.

Edit: and why don't you contribute more instead of being critical if you want to help.

[Raiders Army]

Thanks, personal insults are always a nice touch.

Edit: and why don't you contribute more instead of being critical if you want to help.
Not sure how saldana feels about this, but please don't edit your posts.

To answer your question, obviously it's to get under your skin. At this point, he's getting more and more suspicious to me. Instigating stuff like this is very wolf-like.

[Superman=#54]

Superman
Guess this one will make Ardent happy since he's got Superman as trusted, and this confirms his theory about me ;). However, Superman he's been doing some dodgy voting as well. During day 5, Superman was the one to tilt the balance from Gram to Path. First he voted for Jesse without a reason, then he unvoted Jesse and voted for Path, his only explanation being "hmmmm".



I'm about 90% sure that Gramm is the Duke. It just didn't make sense to me to lynch a villager on purpose, voting for path was just a shot in the dark. You are bound to hit something lurking in the shadows. Your voting is pretty dodgy also.

[Desnudo]

Yes, that's fine in all, but I would hope people remember it's a game and there's no need for personal insults. For example, I could call Dubb an arrogant jerk who's main contribution thus far has been to criticise other people's logic, but I won't.

[Coder]

I'm about 90% sure that Gramm is the Duke. It just didn't make sense to me to lynch a villager on purpose, voting for path was just a shot in the dark. You are bound to hit something lurking in the shadows. Your voting is pretty dodgy also.

Oh I know.. my votes are very poor. However, I've never unvoted, and I've never done so late near the deadline when it's obvious that my vote could tilt the balance.

[Superman=#54]

Oh I know.. my votes are very poor. However, I've never unvoted, and I've never done so late near the deadline when it's obvious that my vote could tilt the balance.

I've done it twice. One time I hit and one time I missed. A .500 batting isn't so bad.

[Schmidty]

Suspect List:

Coder
Desnudo
Schmidty

If they aren't death eaters, they are probably the 3 dumbest werewolf players ever, bar none.

Look, I haven't taken a personal shot at you once this game, but I'm getting fed up with you attitude and your insulting attitude. Why do people like you have to ruin the game by being complete asshats? It's one thing to vote someone you're suspicious of(which is fine), or to get angry when you feel wrongly accused, but to downright insult someone on a personal level (calling someone unintelligent), is absolute childish bullshit.

If this is a ploy to take heat off yourself and heep it on someone else, it's a shitty way to play the game. If this isn't strategy and just diarreah of the mouth, you have some real-life issues you need to work out, such as having class. Either way, I think you owe 3 people a serious apology.

[Coder]

I've done it twice. One time I hit and one time I missed. A .500 batting isn't so bad.

Valid point. You're not as high on my list as the other three.

[Raiders Army]

Oh I know.. my votes are very poor. However, I've never unvoted, and I've never done so late near the deadline when it's obvious that my vote could tilt the balance.
Isn't that in of itself suspicious? I've unvoted when I saw that my vote didn't matter. Instead of sitting back, I made my vote count. To me, you want to slide by without being noticed so your vote [i]doesn't[i] count and you can survive by flying under the radar.

[Coder]

For what it's worth I wasn't terribly offended by being called the worst Werewolf-player to ever play the game... after voting out Wednesday I certainly felt like it.

[Schmidty]

For what it's worth I wasn't terribly offended by being called the worst Werewolf-player to ever play the game... after voting out Wednesday I certainly felt like it.

It doesn't matter if you do. Dubb has acted like a classless baby this entire game. I've tried to respond calmly to him, even making jokes, but this is it. He's making personal insults IN A GAME. I hate to be hasty, but I think that says something about his character.

[Coder]

Isn't that in of itself suspicious? I've unvoted when I saw that my vote didn't matter. Instead of sitting back, I made my vote count. To me, you want to slide by without being noticed so your vote [i]doesn't[i] count and you can survive by flying under the radar.


Well I've been fairly vocal about why I decide to vote in any certain way. I have voted because I felt someone was evil and not because of a bandwagon. I've had strong feelings for all my votes, and those don't change simply because everyone else is voting on someone else.

The only case where I would have changed my vote if I travelled back in time NOT knowing what I know now (i.e. status quo), I would have done so day 1 when Neon revealed Qwik. However, when he did so, I was asleep.

[Superman=#54]

On another note Jesse doesn't seem to be on anyone's trusted/distrusted list. Jesse and RPI are the amazing invisible wizards.

Edit: for spelling

[Coder]

On another note Jesse doesn't seem to be on anyone's trusted/distrusted list. Jesse and RPI are the amazing invsible wizards.

I raised some suspicions about RPI but nothing major.


Name Vote Day Vote Total Votes
RPI vote Superman Day 1 32 47
RPI switch to Qwik Day 1 37 47
Rpi vote Mr. W Day 2 33 59
RPI unvote Mr. W Day 2 46 59
RPI vote Pass Day 2 47 59
RPI vote Mr. W Day 3 30 51
RPI vote AlanT Day 3 41 51
RPI Vote Pass Day 4 25 30
RPI Vote Path12 Day 5 15 26

[Schmidty]

Getting on with the game, I think AE's analysis is very thorough and well-thought out; however, I still am feeling strongly about Gramm. Dubb's emotional post moves him even farther up my list. He looks like he's getting desperate.

I'll wait to see more today, but for now, I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with Gram. Even if he is the Duke, we lose nothing AND essentially clear 2-3 people.

[Raiders Army]

It doesn't matter if you do. Dubb has acted like a classless baby this entire game. I've tried to respond calmly to him, even making jokes, but this is it. He's making personal insults IN A GAME. I hate to be hasty, but I think that says something about his character.
OOG: Personally, I don't get that impression at all from dubb. Then again, I'm not exactly the best judge of character here since I did pretty much the same thing to saldana the first game he played on FOFC. That being said, I see the error of my ways and even though I may not mean anything by it personally, the people who are on the receiving end may take it that way. So in essence, I would agree that he needs to apologize if you're offended.

/OOG

Maybe I'm not perspective at all, but I thought you and Desnudo were playing a pretty good game so I don't know where the "dumbest werewolf players ever" comment came from. *shrug*

[Raiders Army]

On another note Jesse doesn't seem to be on anyone's trusted/distrusted list. Jesse and RPI are the amazing invisible wizards.

Edit: for spelling
Can you guys please stop editing your posts? I think this "rule" came about when Blackadar played and edited all of his posts once he was hung...thus preventing us from going back to see what he had said.

[Coder]

Maybe I'm not perspective at all, but I thought you and Desnudo were playing a pretty good game so I don't know where the "dumbest werewolf players ever" comment came from. *shrug*

From me of course :D

[Raiders Army]

Getting on with the game, I think AE's analysis is very thorough and well-thought out; however, I still am feeling strongly about Gramm. Dubb's emotional post moves him even farther up my list. He looks like he's getting desperate.
I think what we need to look at now is why is he getting desperate? Because he and Grammaticus are the only wolves left (maybe one more)? Maybe because Grammaticus is some super secret role for the wolves? Because he's the spy?

After the last lynching, I think we need to look at those who aren't willing to lynch Grammaticus last time or this time.

[Desnudo]

OOG: Personally, I don't get that impression at all from dubb. Then again, I'm not exactly the best judge of character here since I did pretty much the same thing to saldana the first game he played on FOFC. That being said, I see the error of my ways and even though I may not mean anything by it personally, the people who are on the receiving end may take it that way. So in essence, I would agree that he needs to apologize if you're offended.

/OOG

Maybe I'm not perspective at all, but I thought you and Desnudo were playing a pretty good game so I don't know where the "dumbest werewolf players ever" comment came from. *shrug*

I'm all for forcing people to defend their actions and decisions. In my work environment, I both expect it and people expect it from me. There's a right way and wrong to do it though. It's just a game and insulting people's intelligence goes over the line, way over, with me and shows you don't have the ability to debate on an even platform since you had to resort to name calling.

I don't think I've had the greatest game ever played, but at least I'm trying rather than meta-analysing everyone else.

[Schmidty]

Maybe I'm not perspective at all, but I thought you and Desnudo were playing a pretty good game so I don't know where the "dumbest werewolf players ever" comment came from. *shrug*

That's why it seems like a desperate ploy. A rude one, but still a ploy.

[Coder]

I'll go ahead and toss my vote out there since you all know where it's going to be. I will only change the vote to dubb or Kwhit should the tide turn that way, but I won't vote on anyone else even if it means saving myself (i.e. tilting the vote just to stay alive).

This is my first game of Werewolf and it's been extremly fun and I hope that I've become a better player each day and will do much better in the early parts of any other game I'm in.

Vote Grammaticus

[Superman=#54]

Circle of Trust
Schmidty
Ardent
Raiders
Desnudo


Nuetral
Kingfc
RPI
Jesse

[Schmidty]

I'm all for forcing people to defend their actions and decisions. In my work environment, I both expect it and people expect it from me. There's a right way and wrong to do it though. It's just a game and insulting people's intelligence goes over the line, way over, with me and shows you don't have the ability to debate on an even platform since you had to resort to name calling.

I don't think I've had the greatest game ever played, but at least I'm trying rather than meta-analysing everyone else.

Excatly. Dubb is usually a bit more helpful/analytical in these games. This game, he's been nothing but emotional. Makes you really wonder, doesn't it?

[Coder]

I'd also like to point out that according to my records, Pass is neither dead nor has voted more than once.

[Raiders Army]

FWIW, I have no circle of trust. I only have an idea of what makes sense to me. Right now it makes sense to me to lynch Grammaticus. I'm also suspicious of:

dubb93
Coder
Jesse Ewiak

And once again I see Jesse in the thread but not saying anything...then again, I have today off so I can just sit here and look for new updates in the thread. :)

[Jesse_Ewiak]

At this point, best bet is to vote Gram. Worst-case he's a wizard and in this case, it is his fault for all but saying he's the duke. Hopefully, he nails a wolf and we all live another day.

If he is a wolf, worst case is he's a brutal wolf-type and we still get a wolf out of the deal even if we lose a wizard.

[Coder]

If he is a wolf, worst case is he's a brutal wolf-type and we still get a wolf out of the deal even if we lose a wizard.

What does that mean? can a wolf kill someone even if they're lynched?

[Desnudo]

FWIW, I have no circle of trust. I only have an idea of what makes sense to me. Right now it makes sense to me to lynch Grammaticus. I'm also suspicious of:

dubb93
Coder
Jesse Ewiak

And once again I see Jesse in the thread but not saying anything...then again, I have today off so I can just sit here and look for new updates in the thread. :)

The problem is that too many people have been quiet. There's a group that seems to be involved in most of the discussions and everyone else is silent except for voting. Obviously not all the silent ones, or maybe even any are DEs, but it makes it a pain. I would ask any wizards that have the opportunity, to post more, so that we can start getting better track records on people.

[Raiders Army]

What does that mean? can a wolf kill someone even if they're lynched?
It means before we kill him, he'll kill one of us.

[Desnudo]

What does that mean? can a wolf kill someone even if they're lynched?

It's a role that's been in other games, basically, the wolf dies, but can take one or two others with him. Kind of an evil duke role.

[Coder]

Ok. Ouch :)

[Raiders Army]

1.Alan T, Wizard, Potions Master, Lynched Day 3
2.SnDvls, Death Eater, Occlumens, Lynched Day 2
3.Barkeep49, Wizard, Retired Auror, Murdered Night 1
4.Path12
5.Mr. Wednesday
6.Ardent Enthusiast
7.Dacman
8.Lathum
9.Blade6119, Wizard, Master of DAtDA, Poisoned Night 1
10.St Cronin
11.Passacaglia
12.Desnudo
13.Coder
14.Raiders Army
15.Schmidty
16.KWhit
17.TazFTW
18.Dubb93
19.JeeberD
20.WVUFan
21.Kingfc22
22.Superman=#54
23.RPI-Fan
24.Grammaticus
25.Coffee Warlord
26.Neon_Chaos, Wizard, Legilimens, Murdered, Night 2
27.Jesse_Ewiak
28.Qwikshot - Death Eater, student of magic, lynched day 1
Hmmm...post #1. I gotta look to see how updated it is.

[Poli]

I'll admit to deleting posts after I died in the spawn game. I was a little ticked when I was killed off for using my duke role.

Wish I hadn't done that now, but I did do it.

[SnDvls]

The problem is that too many people have been quiet. There's a group that seems to be involved in most of the discussions and everyone else is silent except for voting. Obviously not all the silent ones, or maybe even any are DEs, but it makes it a pain. I would ask any wizards that have the opportunity, to post more, so that we can start getting better track records on people.

I'd post more, but I'm dead :mad:

BTW I played the dumbest WW game because I'm already dead :D

[Desnudo]

Actually the dead were the most active over the weekend.

[Schmidty]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but what do the DEs get by killing Dacman last night?

[Jesse_Ewiak]

Um...another dead wizard. Which, Gramm's non-death when he's all but said "I'm the Duke" is the only reason why I think he might have a brutal wolf type role.

[Coder]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but what do the DEs get by killing Dacman last night?

My guess is that they kill a wizard that no one was sure of. He wasn't clearly supporting anyone, and he was not a real suspect to anyone (?). Therefore, they killed the wizard least likely to lead us to another deatheater.. if that makes sense.

Had they killed Desnudo, Schmidty or me, the rest of you had turned straight to Gram/dubb et al based on our suspicions.

[Desnudo]

Maybe this is a dumb question, but what do the DEs get by killing Dacman last night?

That's the dumbest question ever asked on any internet message board in the history of the world.

I don't know, maybe he was on to something? Or just random selection.

[Coder]

..and had they killed Gram or dubb, we would have been suspected.

[Schmidty]

That's the dumbest question ever asked on any internet message board in the history of the world.

:D

[hoopsguy]

That's the dumbest question ever asked on any internet message board in the history of the world.
This is quite possibly the dumbest observation ever in the history of language. My eyes began bleeding upon reading this and I immediately fell to a lower IQ bracket. Please don't do this to us again.

[Schmidty]

..and had they killed Gram or dubb, we would have been suspected.

If Gram and Dubb weren't DEs, all the DEs would have had to do was kill me in the night. Not only would I be dead, but Gram and/or Dubb would have been toast too. Good point.

[Jesse_Ewiak]

As a side note, I'm heading to movies/dinner/etc. in a few here, so there's no guarantee that I'll be back for a vote. GOOOOOOOOO WIZARDS!

[Desnudo]

This is quite possibly the dumbest observation ever in the history of language. My eyes began bleeding upon reading this and I immediately fell to a lower IQ bracket. Please don't do this to us again.

Sorry for making your eyes bleed. Sort of.

Okay, can someone please argue the other side of this for me? What strategy would the DEs employ that would mean they want to keep the duke alive? Meaning, why kill someone like Dacman, who didn't appear to have a role, when you know who the duke is? I'm looking for anything.