Werewolf XXXIII: To Crown a King 2 (Game Over)

[SnDvls]

That is a very good question. I'm not sure where that suggestion came from.

I also think part of this was a way to help him ID his faction members too as there seemed to be a lot of confusion on messages ect.
Since everyone in a faction knows the leader, but not anyone else it was to help clarify so info.
Just my thought on it.

[Chief Rum]

Ok I am confused. In one of Blade's posts he mentioned that his faction leader told him to free Qwik and vote for Grey. Did he get such a post from somewhere (obviously not a faction leader as he was one) or was it a way to get us to act on his suspicions.

I think it's pretty clear Blade was being sneaky ins ome way, and not telling the truth about some things. I thought that from the second I saw he had been killed.

The point is, is there a role for that among nobles? Some reason? Maybe it was to help his faction? And remember how much he complained about not getting messages from his faction leader, and how he didn't who know who his faction members were? While I think the second is true (I don't think FLs know right away who is in their faction), basically the first was an out and out lie that he promoted for a couple days.

So was Blade playing some kind of noble role? Or was he trying to set up himself as king? Or was he just being sneaky, sly Blade because he can't pull himself out of that mode when he happens to be good? ;)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Ok I am confused. In one of Blade's posts he mentioned that his faction leader told him to free Qwik and vote for Grey. Did he get such a post from somewhere (obviously not a faction leader as he was one) or was it a way to get us to act on his suspicions.

I think it's transparently obvious that he was making it up. Part of that is playing at being rank and file, rather than the leader, but I'm not entirely sure of what game he was playing from the point of view of grand strategy.

It's a little early yet to be playing faction games... he may just have been playing a (spectacularly wrong) hunch about who is and is not an assassin.

[SnDvls]

vote jail king

this is where I was yesterday so I'll go back this way.
I don't have him linked to anyone so it makes me wonder
about him.

[BrianD]

vote jail king

this is where I was yesterday so I'll go back this way.
I don't have him linked to anyone so it makes me wonder
about him.

I was wondering about him as well, but he voted to free Bullet and to execute Qwik. Considering his missed the first vote, he voted 2 "right" votes out of 3. That seems like a little much if he is bad.

[Chief Rum]

Mr. W, you are linked with cronin (even if you're not sure about him), and he has more or less come out and vouched for rgey. Do you have an opinion on grey?

[Chief Rum]

I was wondering about him as well, but he voted to free Bullet and to execute Qwik. Considering his missed the first vote, he voted 2 "right" votes out of 3. That seems like a little much if he is bad.


When did he vote, though? Both of those votes were foregone conclusions at some point well before deadline.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Mr. W, you are linked with cronin (even if you're not sure about him), and he has more or less come out and vouched for rgey. Do you have an opinion on grey?

I have nothing I care to add on top of my voting record.

[BrianD]

When did he vote, though? Both of those votes were foregone conclusions at some point well before deadline.

True, but unlike other games, there are still point totals to worry about. He could have voted somewhere else to save the points since the results were already decided. I could see one "wrong" (for him) vote just to look good, but two?

[Chief Rum]

I have nothing I care to add on top of my voting record.

So you won't vouch for him?

Good enough for me.

VOTE JAIL GREYROOFOO

[Fouts]

Alright, I'm caught up now.

This message is to my faction leader - I received no message last night, our communications may have been intercepted.

Blade was not my faction leader. I'm not sure if he was trying to pass a message about how to vote, or a (converted) member of his faction was pushing to free qwik, and he wouldn't follow.

[Fouts]

People I don't have grouped with others - Lathum, WVU, NTN, Grey.

I'm also suspect of st. cronin's faction. Something doesn't sit right. They all used the word strange (which I thought to be an indicator), but then cronin asked for people to use the first letter of the first message, and DC came back with a message that did not contain an S. So I'm not sure I trust that faction.

[Chief Rum]

Alright, I'm caught up now.

This message is to my faction leader - I received no message last night, our communications may have been intercepted.

Blade was not my faction leader. I'm not sure if he was trying to pass a message about how to vote, or a (converted) member of his faction was pushing to free qwik, and he wouldn't follow.

That whole intercepted thing is something I have been wondering about. The rules seem to indicate that assassins can "eavesdrop", but not stop the message.

If you did not receive a message from your leader and he was not Blade, it's possible something else happened (perhaps even he didn't have anything to say).

Barkeep, do I have that right? If the assassins can hear a message, does that necessarily mean it isn't still delivered?

[Fouts]

Alright, going to get my vote in and see what happens.

vote free LSG

vote jail NTN

[BrianD]

Alright, I'm caught up now.

This message is to my faction leader - I received no message last night, our communications may have been intercepted.

Blade was not my faction leader. I'm not sure if he was trying to pass a message about how to vote, or a (converted) member of his faction was pushing to free qwik, and he wouldn't follow.

Is this the first time that has happened to you?

[Fouts]

That whole intercepted thing is something I have been wondering about. The rules seem to indicate that assassins can "eavesdrop", but not stop the message.

If you did not receive a message from your leader and he was not Blade, it's possible something else happened (perhaps even he didn't have anything to say).

Barkeep, do I have that right? If the assassins can hear a message, does that necessarily mean it isn't still delivered?

You might be right. It is possible my leader didn't send anything, but BK said that those that started as Leaders are not fast talking nobles. So I don't think he is converted.

[Fouts]

Is this the first time that has happened to you?

Yes, normally my messages were very intricate.

[BrianD]

Yes, normally my messages were very intricate.

And this time you got no message at all?

[Fouts]

And this time you got no message at all?

No, I got a message that there was no message.

[kingfc22]

The rest of us are going to have to step up and shoulder the load.


I should have some free time tonight to work up some scenarios now that we know Blade was a leader. I'm on lunch right now and will only be on for another 20 minutes or so.

[Mr. Wednesday]

People I don't have grouped with others - Lathum, WVU, NTN, Grey.

I'm also suspect of st. cronin's faction. Something doesn't sit right. They all used the word strange (which I thought to be an indicator), but then cronin asked for people to use the first letter of the first message, and DC came back with a message that did not contain an S. So I'm not sure I trust that faction.

There was actually more to it than just the word strange. And DC's reply to st.c confused me mightily... not to mention, she's now gone completely AWOL and notwithstanding Schmidty's supposed appearance today (or was it after today?) that position remains unfilled.

[Mr. Wednesday]

People I don't have grouped with others - Lathum, WVU, NTN, Grey.
I'm curious, who do you have RealDeal grouped with? SnDvls has now aligned with LSG, very obviously.

One thing that Blade did that was actually pretty sharp was to go front and center, and not try to blend into the background like we might expect a faction leader to do.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm making this a separate post because it's separate from my previous thoughts. I'm a bit concerned: so far, there's been not hide nor nair of greyroofoo since midway through yesterday -- including a no jail vote when he was on the block for going to jail. Is he still with us, or do we need yet another replacement?

[BrianD]

No, I got a message that there was no message.

That is odd because I got the same thing and I know you aren't in my faction.

[BrianD]

dola,

Blade was not my leader either.

[kingfc22]

I know that at least 2 people should be able to vouch for me, but I will not ask them to at this time.

Vote No Execute

LSG is not on my team and why would I want to free her so that she can earn points for her faction. I would hope other factions would do the same if they want to get ahead in crowning their leader as king. Just my opinion on what kind of strategy we should go forward with.

Jail WVUFAN

He has been all over the place with his votes and if it is going to be between him or me, then I rather it would be him.

[Fouts]

I'm curious, who do you have RealDeal grouped with? SnDvls has now aligned with LSG, very obviously.

One thing that Blade did that was actually pretty sharp was to go front and center, and not try to blend into the background like we might expect a faction leader to do.

I'm not sure how sharp that was since it got him killed. I do have RealDeal aligned with a faction.

Does anyone have Lathum, WVU, NTN, or Grey aligned with a faction?

[Fouts]

That is odd because I got the same thing and I know you aren't in my faction.

Did any faction get a message last night?

[Fouts]

LSG is not on my team and why would I want to free her so that she can earn points for her faction. I would hope other factions would do the same if they want to get ahead in crowning their leader as king. Just my opinion on what kind of strategy we should go forward with.


Good point. I know her faction earned a lot of points yesterday.

[kingfc22]

Well, I have to get back to work now. :(

Let's nab another one!

[LoneStarGirl]

Thanks for the Vouch SnDVLs. I was hoping you or the other person would stand up for me. Since I can't vote tonight I dont know how often I'll be checking in until late.

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh and I couldn't find the thread that mentioned it, but what was said about a Sister Faction? What does that mean?

[Fouts]

Oh and I couldn't find the thread that mentioned it, but what was said about a Sister Faction? What does that mean?

There have been some mentions of tolerated factions, but I haven't a clue where this fits into the game.

[Fouts]

Basing this off of hoops' suspicions, because hoops was good.

Clear for now: BrianD, Blade, Cronin, MrW, Bulletsponge, Fouts, Dodgerchick

I am clearing myself, of course, and the members of my faction.

I have reasonable trust in LSG, Anxiety, SnDvls, Lathum


I agree with everyone in this list, except Lathum. Can you point out a post that clears Lathum?

[WVUFAN]

I
Jail WVUFAN

He has been all over the place with his votes and if it is going to be between him or me, then I rather it would be him.

I've only voted twice, so I'm not sure if you would call that "all over the place". But, hey, whatever floats your vote.

[Chief Rum]

I agree with everyone in this list, except Lathum. Can you point out a post that clears Lathum?

Just a gut call, based on how he is posting and some of the insights he has provided on points. I don't think assassins would be wanting to help us discern info from the points.

But, as I said, he is on a loose rope with me. I have a hunch but nothing more, and it wouldn't take a big negative action/implication to remove that benefit with me.

[SnDvls]

BK- I'm okay with the schedule too

[Mr. Wednesday]

There have been some mentions of tolerated factions, but I haven't a clue where this fits into the game.
I think the main point of it is to put a check on us cooperating too much on points, fellow faction members, leaders.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I may not be back before the deadline tonight. I'm satisfied with my votes as they stand right now, but if something comes up, I may not be able to change them.

[st.cronin]

No, I got a message that there was no message.

I recieved the same message.

[st.cronin]

I think it's transparently obvious that he was making it up. Part of that is playing at being rank and file, rather than the leader, but I'm not entirely sure of what game he was playing from the point of view of grand strategy.

It's a little early yet to be playing faction games... he may just have been playing a (spectacularly wrong) hunch about who is and is not an assassin.

I strongly disagree with this. I would bet my house that some people have been playing faction games since Day 1. Including, probably, my own faction.

[st.cronin]

dola dola

Anybody have a vote count?

[ntndeacon]

dola dola

Anybody have a vote count?

I do but Idont have the post #s for it
Free Lonestar: cronin, SnDvls, ntn,bullet,Anxiety,Chief, BrianD, Fouts

No Execute: Mr. Wed., Lathum, Real, King

Execute: WVU

And For Jailing---
King: Lathum, Real, SnDvls
NTN:Mr. Wed, Fouts
WVU:Brian, King
Anxiety: Cronin
Lathum: WVU
Grey: Chief

and that is all the votes I saw.

[WVUFAN]

When is the voting deadline tonight?

[ntndeacon]

I think it is at 9:30 eastern time

[Barkeep49]

Yup two hours.

[Fouts]

Pretty quiet today. Nobody is vouching for anyone on the block, so I guess everyone is happy with where we stand.

[Barkeep49]

I do but Idont have the post #s for it
Free Lonestar: cronin, SnDvls, ntn,bullet,Anxiety,Chief, BrianD, Fouts

No Execute: Mr. Wed., Lathum, Real, King

Execute: WVU

And For Jailing---
King: Lathum, Real, SnDvls
NTN:Mr. Wed, Fouts
WVU:Brian, King
Anxiety: Cronin
Lathum: WVU
Grey: Chief

and that is all the votes I saw.
This vote count is correct. Just would add that for the execution we have no votes from:
Greyroofoo & Schmdity

For Jail we have no votes from:
Anxiety, Bullet, Grey, ntn, and Schmidty

[Schmidty]

Ok, I'm here, and will do my best to make a semi-informed decision.

[bulletsponge]

i voted to free whatsherface. can i vote to jail someone at tyhe same time?

[ntndeacon]

Vote Jail King
This is more a vote to get me out of trouble than any belief King is an assassin

[Schmidty]

i voted to free whatsherface. can i vote to jail someone at tyhe same time?

Are you drunk?

[ntndeacon]

i voted to free whatsherface. can i vote to jail someone at tyhe same time?

bullet you are supposed to do both.

[bulletsponge]

ok. i guess i should read the rules

[bulletsponge]

Jail WVUFAN

keep my bunk warm

[Schmidty]

Ok, I've read the past day or so worth of posts, and am very confused. I'm going to read through things again, but for now:

Free LoneStarGirl

Jail kingfc

I don't really feel informed, so I feel kind of wierd having to vote right now.

[ntndeacon]

Schmidty there are excellent summary posts made by hoops right before he died and Brian right afterwards. That should at least give you a rundown on who did what to who.

[st.cronin]

deadline?

[Barkeep49]

Indeed. Working on a writeup now.

[Barkeep49]

The day goes by easily. There is fairly universal agreement that another one of the assembled will not be killed tonight. At the end of the day lonestargirl walks out of her cell, hardly worse for the wear. She is greated with handshakes and smiles.

st.cronin Free
Sndvls Free
Mr. Wednesday Noexecute

Ntndeacon Free
Lathum noexecute
RealDeal noexecute
Bulletsponge Free
WVUFan Execute
Anxiety Free

Chief Rum Free
BrianD Free
Fouts Free
King noexecute
Schmidty Free

Free 9 - st.cronin, sndvls, ntn, bullet, anxiety, cheif, brian, fouts, schmidty

No Execute 4 - mr. wednesday, lathum, real, king

No vote: Greyroofoo

As for who to jail, the proceedings are surprisingly laid back. If nothing else this conclave has been successful at getting people who had previously been fractious to see some common ground. The 877 people assembled outside the castle murmer their approval. In the end it comes down to WVU and King. Two men who have said little. It seems as though the little WVU has said is more reassuring than what king has said and so it is king who is sent to the jail for the time being.


st.cronin Anxiety
Lathum Kingfc22
RealDeal kingfc22
WVUFan Lathum
Mr. Wednesday ntndeacon
BrianD Wvufan
Sndvls kingfc22
Chief Rum Greyroofoo
Fouts ntndeacon
King wvufan
Ntndeacon kingfc22
Bulletsponge wvufan
Schmidty kingfc22

Anxiety 1 - cronin
Greyroofoo 1 - Chief
King 5 - sndvls, ntn, schmidty, real, lathum
Lathum 1 - WVU
NTN 2 - Mr. W, Fouts
WVU 3 - Bullet, brian, king

No vote: Grey, Anxiety

We are now in Night 4. I am looking to possibly replace Grey, if we can find a player, if he does not come around soon based on his game/board activity.

[st.cronin]

So, forgive a dense question. Points only get updated after executions?

[Barkeep49]

So, forgive a dense question. Points only get updated after executions?
Yes.

[LoneStarGirl]

Sweet I am free! I wish I had a cute icon like Bullet did, to celebrate this occasion but I don't

[kingfc22]

This cell is cold. Somebody needs to free this poor noble and I'm pretty sure that we will find some assassins in the group that voted for me.

[bulletsponge]

Sweet I am free! I wish I had a cute icon like Bullet did, to celebrate this occasion but I don't

http://www.smileyhut.com/excited/kicking.gif

[LoneStarGirl]

Damn, since we dont have to act until Sunday everybody is taking tonight off. Not much to catch up on.

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry I didn't get a vote in for jailing and whatnot. I lost track of time since i was hosting Magic night here at my apartment and I looked up when the last person left and saw 1:00 am and said "shit, werewolf!" to myself.

My bad :(

[LoneStarGirl]

Hmm I figured the night actions would already be up.

[Barkeep49]

I just woke up. I often wake up very early, even on the weekends, so I wanted to be able to do it first thing. Give me about 20 minutes.

[Barkeep49]

The morning comes and one of you is not there. It is with dread the that the assembled nobles go towards the suite of rooms Mr. Wednesday occupied. Sure enough he is found dead, killed again with just a few knife cuts. It seems the assassins have struck again. A search of his room reveals something else! It's a list, but it is written in code. The list is entitled "Roles Present at the Conclave". It seems Mr. Wednesday was the wise noble. It will take a little bit to decode the message, but it shouldn't be too hard.

You begin your days deliberations as some of the staff works on the code breaking.

I forgot to keep track of who he had sent in and so I need to check my archived messages. Will be up shortly.

[Lathum]

this could be a big break for us...

[Barkeep49]

The decoded message reads


Night 0:
Fast talking - 4
Warrior - 1

Night 1:
Fast-talking nobles - 3
Clever assassins - 1

Night 2:
Sneaky nobles - 0
Sly assassins - 0

Night 3:
Fast-talking nobles - 3
Efficient assassins - 1

[BrianD]

Looks like our guess of a fast talking noble being converted on night 1 was correct. No way of knowing if it was Qwik or someone else, but we've got probably 3 assassins left to deal with.

[Lathum]

I am almost positive it was qwik

[LoneStarGirl]

3 Fast talking nobles? And what is a warrior?

[Lathum]

3 Fast talking nobles? And what is a warrior?

Warrior Noble
Well trained in the martial arts, this Noble may designate one player to be protected during the night cycle, by his entourage. If the assassins attempt to kill that player the attack will fail. The same player may not be protected 2 nights in a row. The Warrior Noble may choose to protect himself.

...

[BrianD]

I am almost positive it was qwik

Why are you so positive? Did you identify him as one of your faction before he got killed?

[Lathum]

Why are you so positive? Did you identify him as one of your faction before he got killed?

I may have but I fear my faction is now comprimised because of it if that is the case

[Barkeep49]

I just updated the second post to reflect who is in the game, and who has passed on.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Good luck, folks. I'm glad my knowledge didn't die with me.

[Lathum]

Well I am going to get the early ball rolling here. I know one member of my faction is gone and I fear he passed sensitive info to the assasins.

VOTE JAIL KING

[Lathum]

dola- I am voting thjis early because my faction needs points but if any info comes out I am willing to change the vote.

[Abe Sargent]

Lathum, why King?

[kingfc22]

Well I am going to get the early ball rolling here. I know one member of my faction is gone and I fear he passed sensitive info to the assasins.

VOTE JAIL KING

Ehh, I'm in jail already. Also, I did not get a message again last night.:(

[Lathum]

oops, my bad. I meant
VOTE Execute KING

[Abe Sargent]

Again, Lathum, why King? Why vote to execute him? I'd like to know your thought processes on him.

[Lathum]

Mostly he has been very quiet, we know there has been one conversion and I am afraid that it could be him and he is sitting back and passing info to the assasins while enjoying the protection of his unknowing faction members. It would explain why he is so queit.

[st.cronin]

I'm not sure that king is bad, but isn't the upside of potentially figuring out who is an assasin, based on points awarded, good enough to justify an execution?

EXECUTE KINGFC

JAIL ANXIETY

There's plenty of time for somebody to convince me I'm wrong.

[bulletsponge]

Vote Jail Lathum

Vote free KingFC

[Chief Rum]

Vote Jail Lathum

Vote free KingFC

Are you vouching for kingfc? Or do you have a reason for freeing him? I haven't seen much reason to free him yet myself.

[Lathum]

my concern about voting to free king ( and voting to jail someone else) is that we get no information from it. If we no execute that is another day without information and another day the assasins get a free night kill with us gaining no information.

At this point voting no execute seems fishy to me, if I was an assasin I would want a non execution to keep the nobels guessing.

[Abe Sargent]

In theory, I agree Lathum, but again, why king?

Wait a second, maybe I am operating on a rules assumption. Let me ask Barkeep to clarify.


Barkeep, you wrote this:

"Players can cast vote to both jail and execute (or free) a player each day"

I took this to mean that I could legitimately make the following votes:

Vote Jail SkyDog

Vote Execute SkyDog

And if both were the winners that we would jail and subsequently kill (thus fulfilling the jail first, kill second) any playe rin one day, it would just take coordination and both of our votes.

So, am I correct in this reading or incorrect?

-Anxiety

[Lathum]

abe, I think the rule means there are 2 seperate votes. One to execute someone in jail already and one vote to jail someone else. Again, my reasoning for King is that he has been quiet, shown no affiliation, and the bottom line is we need more info at some point.

[Fouts]

Hmm, I don't like where this is going.

Vote Jail Lathum

Vote No Execute

[st.cronin]

Hmm, I don't like where this is going.

Vote Jail Lathum

Vote No Execute

Can you say more?

[kingfc22]

Hmm, I don't like where this is going.


Me neither. Any vote to execute me is negative points for your faction.

[Barkeep49]

I understand where Anxiety is going with the rule, but it was intedned to be a two step process. First jail, and only then could they be executed. This is done to allow a rich noble, or the assassins, a chance to get the person out of jail and to make sure each person has a real discussion about them before being executed.

[Fouts]

Can you say more?

No, just a feeling I'm getting from Lathum. I can't put him on a faction, and he wants to start an execute bandwagon rather quickly.

It appears a fast talker was converted. I get the feeling that the fast talker was in blade's faction. If Qwik were the fast talker, I don't think the assassins would have allowed him to be executed. It's more probable that they cut him loose because of his inactivity.

Whoever is in blade's faction, you should start looking hard at your team mates.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am having a hard time deciding what to do with King.

For now I am giong to leave him there until somebody can persuade me one way or another.

Vote No Execute King

On the same hand, I don't have a great feeling about NTN. He has been kept under the radar, Mr. W voted for him, and now Mr. W is dead.

Vote Jail NTNdeacon

And if somebody already vouched for ntn, i can't find it....

[LoneStarGirl]

If Qwik and blade were in the same faction, and both died, that faction probably only has one person left....

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh and did Grey get a replacement?

[Fouts]

If Qwik and blade were in the same faction, and both died, that faction probably only has one person left....

You misunderstood me. I think Qwik was an assassin that they cut loose.

I think the fast-talker that was converted was in blade's faction. That leaves 2-3 people in blade's old faction, including the fast talker.

[st.cronin]

I'm wondering if the sly assasin could have set up Qwik.

[Lathum]

I'm not saying I hink king is an assasin and I am more then willing to change my vote. All I am saying is another non executioun gives the assasins more time to kill without us gaining information. I know I am going out on a limb, it just seems to me we aren't doing a good job of obtaining the info we need to go forward.

[Lathum]

dola- anyone who has played with me knows I'm not afraid to put my neck on the line at this point of the game to try and stir up some discussion and get some info out there. I realize it would be eaiser ti sit back and be quiet but thats not in my nature.

[Fouts]

I'm not saying I hink king is an assasin and I am more then willing to change my vote. All I am saying is another non executioun gives the assasins more time to kill without us gaining information. I know I am going out on a limb, it just seems to me we aren't doing a good job of obtaining the info we need to go forward.

If you think King is not an assassin, its negative points for nobles to execute him.

We are missing info because we can't put some people on factions. I think bullet has made a claim on King, so why kill him?

Grey, NTN, WVU and Lathum are the four I haven't put on factions. If people would start claiming them, I think we can get somewhere.

[Lathum]

Fouts, I voted before bullet said anything and I'm not sold yet. Bullet also threw a vote on me at the same times which makes me suspiscous of him.

[st.cronin]

If you think King is not an assassin, its negative points for nobles to execute him.

We are missing info because we can't put some people on factions. I think bullet has made a claim on King, so why kill him?

Grey, NTN, WVU and Lathum are the four I haven't put on factions. If people would start claiming them, I think we can get somewhere.

It's not quite that black and white, afaict. If king is not in my faction, and I execute him, that's negative points for me - but it's also taking away all the potential plus points he could accumulate for the duration of the game.

[st.cronin]

If you think King is not an assassin, its negative points for nobles to execute him.

We are missing info because we can't put some people on factions. I think bullet has made a claim on King, so why kill him?

Grey, NTN, WVU and Lathum are the four I haven't put on factions. If people would start claiming them, I think we can get somewhere.

It's not quite that black and white, afaict. If king is not in my faction, and I execute him, that's negative points for me - but it's also taking away all the potential plus points he could accumulate for the duration of the game.

[Fouts]

It's not quite that black and white, afaict. If king is not in my faction, and I execute him, that's negative points for me - but it's also taking away all the potential plus points he could accumulate for the duration of the game.

If another faction's leader is crowned, thats a minor victory for me.

With 4 fast talking nobles, 2 days to execute assassins, and at least 1 night kill (or conversion) per night, I'll take the minor victory. I'm not sure I like the game balance in this one. Finding the assassins appears to be unreachable, so having any noble crowned is ok with me.

[BrianD]

If another faction's leader is crowned, thats a minor victory for me.

With 4 fast talking nobles, 2 days to execute assassins, and at least 1 night kill (or conversion) per night, I'll take the minor victory. I'm not sure I like the game balance in this one. Finding the assassins appears to be unreachable, so having any noble crowned is ok with me.

Finding assassins is not unreachable. We found one already, and we'll find others. Our big problem is that people have been trying to vouch for their faction members after that member has already gone to jail. That gives us a one day delay. At the very least, we are working our way through people. The list of unknowns is shrinking.

[st.cronin]

Yeah, I agree with BrianD. Keep in mind that 4 fast talking nobles, but the number that actually get converted is not likely to be 4.

Also, at some point we'll have to execute somebody who's been vouched for. It's just too easy for an assasin to say of another assasin "he's in my faction." If we just say "ok" and move on to the next target, we'll get slaughtered.

[RealDeal]

Vote Jail Lathum

Vote No Execute

I want to wait before deciding what to do with King.

[Abe Sargent]

Finding assassins is not unreachable. We found one already, and we'll find others. Our big problem is that people have been trying to vouch for their faction members after that member has already gone to jail. That gives us a one day delay.

Yep - vouch early, not late.

[bulletsponge]

im goina stick my neck out and vouch for KingFC. i have a very strong feeling hes a noble

[bulletsponge]

dola

ive never done that before, it might get me killled http://www.smileyhut.com/weapons/giljotiini.gif

[Fouts]

15 people left, and I have 11 in factions. The four (Lathum, Grey, WVU, NTN) are still hanging out there, and I can't place more than 3 in any one faction.

[Lathum]

I think by executing king we are going to gain information if nothing else. I'm not sure where the jail votes are coming from for me, I haven't seen anyone give a good reason for voting for me. I would like someone to explain to me how a non execution is a good idea

[Fouts]

I think by executing king we are going to gain information if nothing else. I'm not sure where the jail votes are coming from for me, I haven't seen anyone give a good reason for voting for me. I would like someone to explain to me how a non execution is a good idea

1) Can't place you in a faction.

2) bullet basically vouched for king.

[Lathum]

15 people left, and I have 11 in factions. The four (Lathum, Grey, WVU, NTN) are still hanging out there, and I can't place more than 3 in any one faction.

have you considered the strong possibility that at least 2 of the assasins have probably "vouched" for each other.

[st.cronin]

15 people left, and I have 11 in factions. The four (Lathum, Grey, WVU, NTN) are still hanging out there, and I can't place more than 3 in any one faction.

Has anybody vouched for you? I remember hoops saying he thought you were a noble, but I am not sure why.

[Fouts]

Has anybody vouched for you? I remember hoops saying he thought you were a noble, but I am not sure why.

Yeah, I wonder why? :)

[ntndeacon]

Per message 1072, We know there is no Sly Assasin, Cronin.

I don't know who iwant to jail yet, so iwill probably put up a name tomorrow.
But bullets psuedo-vouching for king is enough to stay my hand for the moment.

Vote No Execution

[Fouts]

have you considered the strong possibility that at least 2 of the assasins have probably "vouched" for each other.

Yes, it is very possible. Once we connect everyone to a faction, we start breaking down the factions to find the "assassin" faction.

[Lathum]

were gonna get nowhere in this game

[Lathum]

Yes, it is very possible. Once we connect everyone to a faction, we start breaking down the factions to find the "assassin" faction.

yeah but the problem with that is we can't do that until we gain more info from an execution.

[st.cronin]

Ah, I mixed up the sly and the clever.

[st.cronin]

Ok, hang on - there is a clever assasin. He (she) could have planted evidence on Qwik. We also know that probably 1 noble has been converted. That leaves 1 night where nothing happened - Qwik (or possibly somebody else) may have been framed that night. Or there may have been a bodyguard block.

[Fouts]

Ok, hang on - there is a clever assasin. He (she) could have planted evidence on Qwik. We also know that probably 1 noble has been converted. That leaves 1 night where nothing happened - Qwik (or possibly somebody else) may have been framed that night. Or there may have been a bodyguard block.

It is possible that the clever assasin planted the evidence on night 2. In order for that to have happened, the assassins would have to give up a night kill, and hope that nobody in his faction vouched for him. Kind of risky.

[Abe Sargent]

im goina stick my neck out and vouch for KingFC. i have a very strong feeling hes a noble

I'd like to know more about this strong feeling

[ntndeacon]

It is possible that the clever assasin planted the evidence on night 2. In order for that to have happened, the assassins would have to give up a night kill, and hope that nobody in his faction vouched for him. Kind of risky.

How is this possible Fouts? Qwik was in jail on night 2. Maybe iam taking jail's protection a bit to far, but if anyone in jail cannot be touched by assassins, how could the clever assassin get to Qwik. I think Qwik was an assassin by that point. (if he wasn't already.)

[st.cronin]

So, if night 2 wasn't a conversion, and wasn't a "clever" move, then it was most likely a bodyguard block. I don't believe anybody has hinted that they are a bodyguard.

Also the efficient assasin - why have we not seen a night with 2 kills? I think it's possible our warrior is doing a very good job.

[bulletsponge]

I'd like to know more about this strong feeling


umm let me just say hes reacted well to faction message. unless hes converted

[Fouts]

How is this possible Fouts? Qwik was in jail on night 2. Maybe iam taking jail's protection a bit to far, but if anyone in jail cannot be touched by assassins, how could the clever assassin get to Qwik. I think Qwik was an assassin by that point. (if he wasn't already.)

I thought the evidence would be planted in his room, so we would later discover he was an assassin. I don't know for sure.

Also the efficient assasin - why have we not seen a night with 2 kills? I think it's possible our warrior is doing a very good job.

Didn't blade and hoops die the same night?

[Abe Sargent]

umm let me just say hes reacted well to faction message. unless hes converted

Thank you, that was what I wanted.

Folks, I belive that King is an assassin who has tapped the messages of BS's guild. Most of us have realized that the guild size is three per guild. BS's guild has him and BrianD guaranteed. I believe that if you investigate, you will find that the other person is NOT King. If he has been responding well to messages recently, then I believe he has tapped the guild messages.

Vote Execute King

[st.cronin]

I thought the evidence would be planted in his room, so we would later discover he was an assassin. I don't know for sure.



Didn't blade and hoops die the same night?


That's right, I forgot. There was some speculation that one of them was a delayed kill, via Qwik's spitting.

So

Night 1 - conversion
Night 2 - ??
Night 3 - 2 kills, hoopsguy and Blade
Night 4 - Mr. Wednesday

Hoopsguy and Blade always make sense as targets, but what made them target Mr. W?

[Abe Sargent]

were gonna get nowhere in this game

No, we may have King, because there is no way he is in BS/BrianD's faction, which leads me to believe that he's trying to ingratiate himself with BrianD/BS's faction. Intercepted message.

[Fouts]

Folks, I belive that King is an assassin who has tapped the messages of BS's guild. Most of us have realized that the guild size is three per guild. BS's guild has him and BrianD guaranteed. I believe that if you investigate, you will find that the other person is NOT King. If he has been responding well to messages recently, then I believe he has tapped the guild messages.


While I haven't found a fourth member of my faction, how do you explain the numbers? BK showed 5 factions. If there are 3 per faction (15 total), that leaves 4 people unaccounted for.

[Fouts]

And BK said the assasins were represented in the 5 factions.

[Abe Sargent]

While I haven't found a fourth member of my faction, how do you explain the numbers? BK showed 5 factions. If there are 3 per faction (15 total), that leaves 4 people unaccounted for.

Nor have I. Has anyone?

[Abe Sargent]

But if you want proof, ask BrianD who we know is in league with BS. BrianD?


-Anxiety

[hoopsguy]

Hoopsguy and Blade always make sense as targets, but what made them target Mr. W?

I do not endorse this statement.

[BrianD]

Thank you, that was what I wanted.

Folks, I belive that King is an assassin who has tapped the messages of BS's guild. Most of us have realized that the guild size is three per guild. BS's guild has him and BrianD guaranteed. I believe that if you investigate, you will find that the other person is NOT King. If he has been responding well to messages recently, then I believe he has tapped the guild messages.

Vote Execute King

Actually, I thought it was pretty much agreed that factions started with 4 people.

[ntndeacon]

we know also there is an efficient assassin, so I think that may be what happened in regard to hoops and Blade. It still could have been a delayed assassination as we don't know if the tricky assassin is in this game or not.
There is another possibility in regards to the unknown night. they could have tried a jail break as well, and been thwarted. Would we have know if that had happened I don't know.

[ntndeacon]

Nor have I. Has anyone?

I have Anxiety. I have reason to believe that not all of my faction members have found me yet, but ido know who they are.

[Fouts]

But if you want proof, ask BrianD who we know is in league with BS. BrianD?


We already know Brian vouched for BS. Unless you are talking about a 3rd member. I think it depends on which day King started responding to faction messages.

[Fouts]

I have Anxiety. I have reason to believe that not all of my faction members have found me yet, but ido know who they are.

Interesting. I'm trying to understand how this would work.

[BrianD]

But if you want proof, ask BrianD who we know is in league with BS. BrianD?


-Anxiety

I'm pretty sure King is one of the four in my faction. I didn't realize it right away, but hearing everyone talk about 4 faction members combined with the fact that I could reconcile the points for my faction led me to look back at the whole game. He fits with the posts and with the points.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm pretty sure King is one of the four in my faction. I didn't realize it right away, but hearing everyone talk about 4 faction members combined with the fact that I could reconcile the points for my faction led me to look back at the whole game. He fits with the posts and with the points.

I want you to do something for me. Check King's Day One and Two posts and teel me if you see one signal from him that says "in BrianD/BS's guild." Just look for one message, that's all, and I will LEAD the vote away from him. I just reviewed, and what I believe is our guild signal he never uses, so just prove me wrong and I'm off him.

[Lathum]

OK, so I am thinking about voting for 2 people. I realize I put myself out there early when it wasn't necessary but I gained alot of information by doing it.

1. Fouts jumped all over me right after my vote and said he had a "feeling". It seems he may have been waiting for a chance to jump all over someone and cast suspicioun on them.

2. NTNdeacon suddenly comes out of the woodwork once his name starts to come up which tells me his laying low strategy is starting to backfire.

[Fouts]

1. Fouts jumped all over me right after my vote and said he had a "feeling". It seems he may have been waiting for a chance to jump all over someone and cast suspicioun on them.


Not just someone, but any of the 4 that I cannot place in a faction. I didn't start that after your vote for execution, I'm been ready to jail all 4 of you for a couple days now.

[ntndeacon]

OK, so I am thinking about voting for 2 people. I realize I put myself out there early when it wasn't necessary but I gained alot of information by doing it.

1. Fouts jumped all over me right after my vote and said he had a "feeling". It seems he may have been waiting for a chance to jump all over someone and cast suspicioun on them.

2. NTNdeacon suddenly comes out of the woodwork once his name starts to come up which tells me his laying low strategy is starting to backfire.

first off this isn't the first time my name has come up, just the last time another option was found. I think on day 2 my name came up for a bit. and shoot the last day my name had multiple votes on it. I will grant you that I haven't been the most vocal player in this game. However, there were times when i did "come out of the woodwork" (I am assuming making multiple posts in a short time is what is meant there.) Should I have been louder? probably.

[LoneStarGirl]

Unvote Jail NTNDeacon


At least until I get more information....
I am starting to lean more to Lathum

[bulletsponge]

after rereading some posts earlier in the thread, i am 100% sure KingFC is in our faction, unless he intercepted the messages the first night. odds are hes good

[LoneStarGirl]

But I have no feelings at all toward King, so I figure the best bet is leaving him in jail until something concrete comes out. Although an execution might be revealing a lot of information we might need to know...

[Lathum]

But I have no feelings at all toward King, so I figure the best bet is leaving him in jail until something concrete comes out. Although an execution might be revealing a lot of information we might need to know...

this is the point i have been trying to make all along and all it has acomplished is people wanting to put me in jail.

[bulletsponge]

But I have no feelings at all toward King, so I figure the best bet is leaving him in jail until something concrete comes out. Although an execution might be revealing a lot of information we might need to know...

this is the point i have been trying to make all along and all it has acomplished is people wanting to put me in jail.

well, killing you will reveal a lot of info too. and i think King is good, but im unsure of you

[st.cronin]

Not just someone, but any of the 4 that I cannot place in a faction. I didn't start that after your vote for execution, I'm been ready to jail all 4 of you for a couple days now.


lol

[LoneStarGirl]

Now Lathum has got me thinking that two assasins mgiht be vouching for one another; Bullet and King. It would make me feel better if the third party in Bullet/Kings faction would vouch for them. And if Lathum doesn't have somebody vouch for him soon he is going to end up executed.

[st.cronin]

But I have no feelings at all toward King, so I figure the best bet is leaving him in jail until something concrete comes out. Although an execution might be revealing a lot of information we might need to know...

I agree with this. I think unless we have a very compelling reason not to, we're better off executing every day.

[bulletsponge]

Now Lathum has got me thinking that two assasins mgiht be vouching for one another; Bullet and King. It would make me feel better if the third party in Bullet/Kings faction would vouch for them. And if Lathum doesn't have somebody vouch for him soon he is going to end up executed.

well BrianD vouched for me early in day 2 i think it was.

[ntndeacon]

Now Lathum has got me thinking that two assasins mgiht be vouching for one another; Bullet and King. It would make me feel better if the third party in Bullet/Kings faction would vouch for them. And if Lathum doesn't have somebody vouch for him soon he is going to end up executed.

Well Brian has already vouched for Bullet, and Sounded reasonably sure that King was in his faction.

[Lathum]

well BrianD vouched for me early in day 2 i think it was.

just remember there was no night 2 kill

[LoneStarGirl]

Well if everybody says that Bullet was vouched for, and he's vouching for King, then I am going to go out on a limb and

Vote Free King

Vote Jail Lathum

[LoneStarGirl]

And the reason i am voting so early is cuz i dont know if i am giong to be able to get online tomorrow adn i might be going to bed here soon.

[ntndeacon]

Lathum that is true, but we DO know that no one was converted that night.

[LoneStarGirl]

Also, are we sure that all the factions started out with the same number of people? I dont have the same number in each faction.

[ntndeacon]

except the Assassin, which we believe had 3 before converting someone on day one.

[kingfc22]

Thank you, that was what I wanted.

Folks, I belive that King is an assassin who has tapped the messages of BS's guild. Most of us have realized that the guild size is three per guild. BS's guild has him and BrianD guaranteed. I believe that if you investigate, you will find that the other person is NOT King. If he has been responding well to messages recently, then I believe he has tapped the guild messages.

Vote Execute King

Wow. If any of you buy this I feel really bad to be a noble in this one. I am part of faction D which is led by Bullet. You also might notice that we have the 2nd highest number of points right now which should lead you to believe that I am voting on behalf of the good guys.

I am the cocky noble and if I get out of jail, I will make sure my night kill is you.

[st.cronin]

Also, are we sure that all the factions started out with the same number of people? I dont have the same number in each faction.

Same here, which is why I don't put much stock in it. I think at least one assasin is being vouched for by somebody who thinks they're in the same faction. And that's why I think we have to execute king.

[Abe Sargent]

Wow. If any of you buy this I feel really bad to be a noble in this one. I am part of faction D which is led by Bullet. You also might notice that we have the 2nd highest number of points right now which should lead you to believe that I am voting on behalf of the good guys.

I am the cocky noble and if I get out of jail, I will make sure my night kill is you.

Fine then, one question for now - did you or did you not leave any clues in your posts on Day One and Two?

[kingfc22]

I want you to do something for me. Check King's Day One and Two posts and teel me if you see one signal from him that says "in BrianD/BS's guild." Just look for one message, that's all, and I will LEAD the vote away from him. I just reviewed, and what I believe is our guild signal he never uses, so just prove me wrong and I'm off him.

I was told to misspell assassin on day 1.

Post 455

I'm not sure if he is an assasin or not but I have better reads on other players who I feel are nobles.

On day 2, I was asked to misspell bullet's name.

Post 783

Hmm, buletsponge did not get a vote in and neither did wvu. I hope I can tell what faction they are in by the upcoming point totals.

[LoneStarGirl]

What the hell? Didn't king just put Bullet's neck on the line? Don't the assasins want to kill the Faction leaders?

[bulletsponge]

Fine then, one question for now - did you or did you not leave any clues in your posts on Day One and Two?

yes he did, both days his first posts after my message had the clues i asked my faction to put in thier posts.

[BrianD]

Wow. If any of you buy this I feel really bad to be a noble in this one. I am part of faction D which is led by Bullet. You also might notice that we have the 2nd highest number of points right now which should lead you to believe that I am voting on behalf of the good guys.

I am the cocky noble and if I get out of jail, I will make sure my night kill is you.

Ok, that was more information than needed to be shared.

[bulletsponge]

What the hell? Didn't king just put Bullet's neck on the line? Don't the assasins want to kill the Faction leaders?

HA i laugh in the face of death!http://www.smileyhut.com/laughing/hysterical.gif

[Abe Sargent]

Fair enough then, if he did, then I must have misread your guild's code. I'll back off.

Unvote Execute King

In fact, I'll go one further

Vote Release King

But you guys HAVE to start telling us this stuff sooner so we don;t jail them at all. That's TWICE your faction has played games like this. That looks suspicious.

[Lathum]

man, look at what i caused :)

[bulletsponge]

Fair enough then, if he did, then I must have misread your guild's code. I'll back off.

Unvote Execute King

In fact, I'll go one further

Vote Release King

But you guys HAVE to start telling us this stuff sooner so we don;t jail them at all. That's TWICE your faction has played games like this. That looks suspicious.


sorry. im slow and lazy

[Abe Sargent]

What the hell? Didn't king just put Bullet's neck on the line? Don't the assasins want to kill the Faction leaders?

Trying to put yourself in Faction D? ;)

[BrianD]

Ok, now I am starting to think that King has been converted. Why would you give out all this info unless you wanted the other factions to jump on us?

[kingfc22]

What the hell? Didn't king just put Bullet's neck on the line? Don't the assasins want to kill the Faction leaders?

No they just want to kill all nobles. If the leader dies, then someone else takes over. They get no extra points for killing a leader.

[bulletsponge]

Trying to put yourself in Faction D? ;)

a lady is always welcome in my faction http://www.smileyhut.com/love/flowers.gif

[BrianD]

No they just want to kill all nobles. If the leader dies, then someone else takes over. They get no extra points for killing a leader.

You might want to read over ALL of the point rules again...

[kingfc22]

Ok, now I am starting to think that King has been converted. Why would you give out all this info unless you wanted the other factions to jump on us?

Well, hopefully they look at the rest of the group knowing that we ARE nobles and anybody voting for us should be looked at in a very suspicious way. If they want to go after us, all they are doing is helping the assassins win the game.

[bulletsponge]

well i guess ill die soon, when is next night action?

[bulletsponge]

btw if the assassins try to kill me and i have the guards guarding me can i identify them? or kill them?

[BrianD]

well i guess ill die soon, when is next night action?

You won't die in a night action. That would make no sense.

[LoneStarGirl]

Looks that way Bullet. At least you have until Tuesday morning until you die.

[st.cronin]

I think it's an open question whether king has been converted or not. But I think we have to start executing people, or else we'll just be going round in circles while we get slaughtered by the assasins hiding in our midst. In a typical game, the last thing you want is a day without a lynch - it's a disaster for the village.

[BrianD]

I think it's an open question whether king has been converted or not. But I think we have to start executing people, or else we'll just be going round in circles while we get slaughtered by the assasins hiding in our midst. In a typical game, the last thing you want is a day without a lynch - it's a disaster for the village.

We still have to start executing the right people. If King hasn't been converted, killing him drops all of our points and gets the assassins closer to a Revolt.

[Abe Sargent]

sorry. im slow and lazy

Establish Dominance!

[BrianD]

It might be worth giving up some other factions now. Two for the factions are at 4.5 points which is less than half of the leading faction. We might need to team up to start taking out assassins. Then we can fight for points to unseat Faction A.

[Abe Sargent]

We still have to start executing the right people. If King hasn't been converted, killing him drops all of our points and gets the assassins closer to a Revolt.

And you lose someone in your faction. You are biased here, BrianD

[BrianD]

I'm off to bed now, but I should be available all day tomorrow to talk over stuff...at least until about 4:30 CDT.

[kingfc22]

Has anyone vouced for Grey or WVUfan yet? How bout Anxiety?

The only way for us to see where the bad guys are is to start pressuring people.

[BrianD]

And you lose someone in your faction. You are biased here, BrianD

Well of course it affects me more than everyone else, but nobody is going to care that I will be affected. I have to make sure people know how they will be affected.

[LoneStarGirl]

I totally agree that we need to execute. Just not King. That would make all our points go down... so we put lathum in jail and execute him asap.

[Abe Sargent]

Has anyone vouced for Grey or WVUfan yet? How bout Anxiety?

The only way for us to see where the bad guys are is to start pressuring people.

I am quite possibly one of the most vouched for without anyone vouching for me. I have the two people from the PM snafu plus my guild.

[st.cronin]

We still have to start executing the right people. If King hasn't been converted, killing him drops all of our points and gets the assassins closer to a Revolt.

If there was some way to be sure that king had not been converted, I would agree with releasing him. But we know SOMEBODY has been converted.

[kingfc22]

I am quite possibly one of the most vouched for without anyone vouching for me. I have the two people from the PM snafu plus my guild.

That would make you a perfect convesion target wouldn't you say?

Why would the assassins try to convert me. I have been on the chopping block for 2-3 days to go to jail, that would make no sense for them to go after me.

[BrianD]

If there was some way to be sure that king had not been converted, I would agree with releasing him. But we know SOMEBODY has been converted.

Well we don't KNOW, but I think it is a fair assumption.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well it wont hurt to keep king in jail until we see a night action.

[st.cronin]

That would make you a perfect convesion target wouldn't you say?

Why would the assassins try to convert me. I have been on the chopping block for 2-3 days to go to jail, that would make no sense for them to go after me.

Remember, the conversion happened on night 1. So, this defense means nothing.

[ntndeacon]

we will have a better idea after the next execution too, since doesn't the converted one's points go to the assassins faction?

[Abe Sargent]

That would make you a perfect convesion target wouldn't you say?

Why would the assassins try to convert me. I have been on the chopping block for 2-3 days to go to jail, that would make no sense for them to go after me.

There is no "conversion target" there are just a handful of predetermined oases.

[st.cronin]

Well we don't KNOW, but I think it is a fair assumption.

No, we know that. See post 1072. 4 fast talking nobles, then 3 fast talking nobles, after a night with no kill.

[LoneStarGirl]

So we know there was a fast talking noble, the bad guys tried to kill him, and instead he got converted. And he is still lurking around in his faction and nobody knows except the other 2 assassins. Brilliant!

[st.cronin]

So we know there was a fast talking noble, the bad guys tried to kill him, and instead he got converted. And he is still lurking around in his faction and nobody knows except the other 2 assassins. Brilliant!

That's why I think we need to execute, regardless of vouching.

[LoneStarGirl]

I acn easily change my vote St Cronin, just tell me why you think King was the one that got converted?

[ntndeacon]

Bullet or Brian,
Assuming that one of you know your fourth member, do your points add up. if not by how much if you don't mind revealing that info. would the 1.5 points that I think that King recieved after day one make you closer to or farther away from your total of 6?

[st.cronin]

I acn easily change my vote St Cronin, just tell me why you think King was the one that got converted?

I don't have any idea whether he was converted or not. But nobody has said "I scanned him night 2 and he was clean." Absent that, if he's suspicious enough to get tossed in jail, he should be executed.

[bulletsponge]

Bullet or Brian,
Assuming that one of you know your fourth member, do your points add up. if not by how much if you don't mind revealing that info. would the 1.5 points that I think that King recieved after day one make you closer to or farther away from your total of 6?

cant help ya there

[Fouts]

Lets think about who the assassins would have targeted to kill on night 1, and hit a fast talking noble. They are killing off the most vocal veterans in the game. Who might they target before blade and hoops? My guess is Lathum, Anxiety or Brian. Not Qwik or King.

Change No Execute to Free King

[Fouts]

Bullet or Brian,
Assuming that one of you know your fourth member, do your points add up. if not by how much if you don't mind revealing that info. would the 1.5 points that I think that King recieved after day one make you closer to or farther away from your total of 6?

I don't think King voted on day one.

[st.cronin]

Lets think about who the assassins would have targeted to kill on night 1, and hit a fast talking noble. They are killing off the most vocal veterans in the game. Who might they target before blade and hoops? My guess is Lathum, Anxiety or Brian. Not Qwik or King.

Change No Execute to Free King

Or you.

[Lathum]

Lets think about who the assassins would have targeted to kill on night 1, and hit a fast talking noble. They are killing off the most vocal veterans in the game. Who might they target before blade and hoops? My guess is Lathum, Anxiety or Brian. Not Qwik or King.

Change No Execute to Free King

i think that's a compliment :)

[ntndeacon]

Unvote No Execution
Vote Free King

[ntndeacon]

Dola
We almost had Grey in the slammer before. No one claimed him and all of us that were on him got off of him the next day.
Vote Jail Grey

[Abe Sargent]

I've voted Grey twice, no reason not to continue that trend now, ntndeacon.

Vote Jail Greyroofoo

[st.cronin]

Lets think about who the assassins would have targeted to kill on night 1, and hit a fast talking noble. They are killing off the most vocal veterans in the game. Who might they target before blade and hoops? My guess is Lathum, Anxiety or Brian. Not Qwik or King.

Change No Execute to Free King

King is actually an experienced player as well, and I don't think it inconceivable that the assasins would have targeted him night 1. We've gotten in trouble in other games by suggesting that such and such a player is experienced, therefore the bad guys would have targeted him. I don't find your argument compelling enough to release him.

[Fouts]

King is actually an experienced player as well, and I don't think it inconceivable that the assasins would have targeted him night 1. We've gotten in trouble in other games by suggesting that such and such a player is experienced, therefore the bad guys would have targeted him. I don't find your argument compelling enough to release him.

I'm not arguing to release him, I think bullet and brian are. I'm just posting my thoughts on who could have been converted on night 1.

[bulletsponge]

I'm not arguing to release him, I think bullet and brian are. I'm just posting my thoughts on who could have been converted on night 1.

im just trying to keep him from getting killed

[Chief Rum]

All right, after a week of vacation, I had back to the slave mines today. I will be out all day today working both jobs (and tomorrow, and Wednesday, sheesh...).

So I need to put in a vote now, as I won't be able to get back in until well after deadline, sometime later tonight.

Unfortunately, there is not really a lot for me to go on right now. So I will have tp continue to go on gut.

VOTE NO EXECUTE
VOTE JAIL GREYROOFOO

[BrianD]

No, we know that. See post 1072. 4 fast talking nobles, then 3 fast talking nobles, after a night with no kill.

You are right, I forgot about that. I knew there was a reason I thought we were looking for 4 people to add up to the assassin total, but I forgot where the 4th came from.

[BrianD]

Bullet or Brian,
Assuming that one of you know your fourth member, do your points add up. if not by how much if you don't mind revealing that info. would the 1.5 points that I think that King recieved after day one make you closer to or farther away from your total of 6?

I know our fourth member, and our points add up to exactly 6...including the 1.5 points that King received.

I would just like to state for the record that I think my whole faction is insane.

[Lathum]

VOTE JAIL GREYROOFOO

more preservation then anything else. Also

unvote execute kingfc22

I guess if enough people are willing to vouch for him i doesn't make sense to kill a noble, but I think we are kind of spinning our wheels.

[BrianD]

VOTE JAIL GREYROOFOO

more preservation then anything else. Also

unvote execute kingfc22

I guess if enough people are willing to vouch for him i doesn't make sense to kill a noble, but I think we are kind of spinning our wheels.

We are spinning our wheels, and that is partly my fault. If I had been around when the vote turned against King, I would have worked to get him cleared. For now I'll join the Grey vote. He isn't on the top of my list, but he is on my list.

Free Kingfc22
Jail Greyroofoo

[ntndeacon]

I don't think King voted on day one.

Sory idid not respond to this last night. You are right he did not vote on day one, but that -0.5 would have been with your group regardless if king was turned or not. That is why iasked about the 1.5 points King would have gotten since the 1st night (jailing and executing Qwik) if he was converted those points would have been the assassins points not points for Faction D.

[ntndeacon]

I know our fourth member, and our points add up to exactly 6...including the 1.5 points that King received.

I would just like to state for the record that I think my whole faction is insane.

Thanks Brian,

I had that sort of figured out, but wanted verification of my findings. This makes me even more sure that king has not been turned into an assassin.

[BrianD]

I just had a thought. Since Blade was a leader and has been killed, if one of his faction had been turned, that person wouldn't get messages from the new leader (if I read the rules right). You guys might want to send through another code to make sure everyone on your team is still really on your team. Of course my guess is that there are only 2 members left in that faction, so maybe this wouldn't work too well...

[ntndeacon]

I just had a thought. Since Blade was a leader and has been killed, if one of his faction had been turned, that person wouldn't get messages from the new leader (if I read the rules right). You guys might want to send through another code to make sure everyone on your team is still really on your team. Of course my guess is that there are only 2 members left in that faction, so maybe this wouldn't work too well...

Blade was not in the faction of anyone else who had died.

[bulletsponge]

I know our fourth member, and our points add up to exactly 6...including the 1.5 points that King received.

I would just like to state for the record that I think my whole faction is insane.


is he (or she) one of the peeps i suspected in earlier messages?

whatever you do keep it a secret, dont spill it in the open

[BrianD]

is he (or she) one of the peeps i suspected in earlier messages?

whatever you do keep it a secret, dont spill it in the open

Nope. I won't mention who it is, but you should be able to figure it out.

[BrianD]

Blade was not in the faction of anyone else who had died.

Ok, I wasn't sure which faction he was in. Apparently I was wrong with my guess. I'm assuming that either he was in your faction, or the other two that died were?

[Barkeep49]

Wow. Lots of stuff yesterday and then nothing in the last two hours? I will be back home around lynch, perhaps a bit after.

[Fouts]

Ok, I wasn't sure which faction he was in. Apparently I was wrong with my guess. I'm assuming that either he was in your faction, or the other two that died were?

I think he meant that blade was in his faction. How else would he know?

If the people in blade's faction do not dispute NTN's claim, he should be ok.

[Fouts]

Anyone with a current vote? I believe Grey or Lathum are leading. This is about the time that people should be vouching for them.

[LoneStarGirl]

anybody have an uptodate vote count? I can't even remember who i voted for it was so long ago.

[Fouts]

This is what I have;

King (who can't vote)

execute (1) - st.cronin
free (7) - bullet, LSG, Anxiety, Fouts, NTN, Brian, Lathum
No Execute (2) - realdeal, Chief Rum

No vote - Grey, WVU, Schmidty

Jail

Anxiety (1) - st.cronin
Lathum (4) - bullet, Fouts, realdeal, LSG
Grey (5)- NTN, Anxiety, Chief Rum, Lathum, Brian

No vote - Grey, WVU, Schmidty

[Fouts]

Oops, forgot. Nothing from SnDvls yet, either.

[Fouts]

Hmm, nobody cares eh? I wish I were an assassin in this one, would be like shooting fish in a barrell.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I care. :p

[BrianD]

3 no-votes? Disappointing.

[Fouts]

3 no-votes? Disappointing.

I think Grey is going to be executed tomorrow, unless somebody speaks up for him. Even then, his faction will take a lot of heat for letting him be jailed.

[BrianD]

I think Grey is going to be executed tomorrow, unless somebody speaks up for him. Even then, his faction will take a lot of heat for letting him be jailed.

He should be for inactivity. Is it just me, or has this game been particularly bad for participation?

[Lathum]

I am wondering if the fact that the game is somewhat complicated is discouriging people to participate. This is by ne means a knock on barkeeps game it's just something I was thinking about.

[Lathum]

dola- I also agree grey is probably a goner tomorrow.

[BrianD]

I am wondering if the fact that the game is somewhat complicated is discouriging people to participate. This is by ne means a knock on barkeeps game it's just something I was thinking about.

It isn't really that bad though. There is some interesting strategy with the points, but it is still just a hunt for werewolves. Maybe it is just the fact that I'm so intrigued by this game design that I find it disappointing that we won't really get to see how well it works.

[Barkeep49]

I think it's hard to seperate out the game being complicated and the switch to the new forum. I think it's going to take a while for the games to build back up.