Werewolf XXXIII: To Crown a King 2 (Game Over)

[Barkeep49]

It isn't really that bad though. There is some interesting strategy with the points, but it is still just a hunt for werewolves. Maybe it is just the fact that I'm so intrigued by this game design that I find it disappointing that we won't really get to see how well it works.
I happen to agree that unlike some of the other games I have done, that this one isn't really all that different from a "normal" game of werewolf. The normal tools for finding a wolf are still there and there are some extra ones included. But I dunno. If there's a way I can make it less initimidating I would love to hear it after the game. Anyhow I'm here now and am about to do the Day Action.

[Fouts]

I happen to agree that unlike some of the other games I have done, that this one isn't really all that different from a "normal" game of werewolf. The normal tools for finding a wolf are still there and there are some extra ones included. But I dunno. If there's a way I can make it less initimidating I would love to hear it after the game. Anyhow I'm here now and am about to do the Day Action.

One thing this version is missing is the excitement from a lynch. Day 5 and we've only lynched one person, so people don't have the anticipation of "did we get one?".

[BrianD]

One thing this version is missing is the excitement from a lynch. Day 5 and we've only lynched one person, so people don't have the anticipation of "did we get one?".

I do think that is party our fault. We don't quite know the strategy yet so we haven't been very good about keeping the nobles out...or we've been too lenient when someone claims a jailed guy is a noble.

[LoneStarGirl]

Its past 9:30 eastern right? Barkeep you are falling behind.

[Barkeep49]

Once again someone spends a single night in jail before being released. This time it is king who has the "honor". Little worse for the wear he rejoins his fellow elite on the outside.


st.cronin Execute King
Bulletsponge Free King
RealDeal No execute
Lonestargirl Free King
Anxiety Free King
Fouts Free King
Ntndeacon Free King
Chief Rum No execute
BrianD Free King

Free 6 - bullet, lone, anxiety, fouts, ntn, brian
No Execute 2 - real, chief
Execute 1 - st.cronin

No vote - Grey, lathum, schmidty, sndvls, wvu

Terrible storm going on. Am submitting this now in case the power goes off. Other results coming.

[Barkeep49]

The jail vote turns out to be more interesting. There seems to be more agreement about jailing grey than lathum. However, as discussion goes on the moral weight of those arguing for lathum seems to be stronger. And so in the end despite grey's silence

st.cronin Anxiety
Bulletsponge Lathum
Fouts lathum

RealDeal lathum
Lonestargirl lathum
Ntndeacon Greyroofoo
Anxiety greyroofoo
Chief Rum greyroofoo
Lathum greyroofoo
BrianD greyroofoo


Lathum 6 - Bulletsponge, Fouts, RealDeal, Lonestar
Grey 5 - Ntn. Anxiety, Chief, Lathum, Brian
Anxiety 1 - st.cronin

No votes - grey, schmidty, sndvls, wvufan

Again submitted quickly. Night is now on. Normal deadline.

[SnDvls]

probally should have gotten on earlier. Sorry all I was putting together my daughter's swing set and I forget about the execution.

[SnDvls]

I do know this for sure....I am almost 100% certain that NTN was in my faction and isn't anymore. From messages on the first few days added up from our former leader "Blade" I would say that NTN is the converted one and that is where my vote goes tomorrow. After getting my message from my faction leader today I'd say without a doubt that he is bad.

[kingfc22]

I'm free!!! WOOOT!!!!

[LoneStarGirl]

What makes you think that SnDvls? What proof do you have that ntn is converted?

[LoneStarGirl]

I have to say that as much as i am enjoying this game, it would probably be better if everybody was cooperating. Grey, schmidty and WVU haven't been as talking as I would have liked.

[LoneStarGirl]

Also, what 6 people voted for Lathum? you only have four by his name

[LoneStarGirl]

If a faction leader dies tonight, I am going to take a real hard look at NTN and SndVLS...after Sndvls' post i am getting a mixed feeling.

[kingfc22]

Also, what 6 people voted for Lathum? you only have four by his name

Faction leaders count as double.

[SnDvls]

What makes you think that SnDvls? What proof do you have that ntn is converted?

read up on noble leader and fast talking noble.

If a faction leader dies tonight, I am going to take a real hard look at NTN and SndVLS...after Sndvls' post i am getting a mixed feeling.

and after I vouched for you.

[ntndeacon]

I do know this for sure....I am almost 100% certain that NTN was in my faction and isn't anymore. From messages on the first few days added up from our former leader "Blade" I would say that NTN is the converted one and that is where my vote goes tomorrow. After getting my message from my faction leader today I'd say without a doubt that he is bad.

SnDvls, I do not know where you get that from. check the info from Blade each night and see if my first post wasn't correctly done. I will go back too and find the numbers of those posts as well.

[ntndeacon]

[QUOTE=SnDvls;1263479]read up on noble leader and fast talking noble.


QUOTE]

You too. we know that a fast talker was converted on night one. I have responded to EVERY clue correctly. Including those made sense that time.

[Fouts]

Inner-faction fighting. Very interesting.

[ntndeacon]

SnDvls consider posts 115, 404, 749 and 1123.

[ntndeacon]

Dola

Also as far as ican tell that there have been no conversions in either Bullet's faction or Blade's Faction. I say that based on the points that both factions recieved.

[Abe Sargent]

Rules question I just noticed:

King was released with a plurality but not a majority of votes. According to Barkeep's rules, he says:

"At the end of the day a the player with a plurality of jail votes will be sent to jail.

Additionally, whichever action has a majority vote between Execute, No Execution, and Free will be enacted."

Why was king freed then, when according to your own rules, he needs a majority, not a plurality?

[Barkeep49]

Both should have been plurality. They were written at different times and I wrote the correct thing months ago and hwen I created the new jail system I failed to use the precise word.

[Barkeep49]

The night passes. In the morning it is ntn who does not rejoin you. An inspection of his body finds that he was killed in a manner slightly different than the other dead bodies you have found, but it makes no difference as it is another noble dead.

You start your new day of deliberations.

[LoneStarGirl]

Damnit. I hate that. He wasn't even a special noble, just a noble. And Sndvls, I am not looking twice at you, i just wanted to see how you would react to my comments.

[LoneStarGirl]

And Since I started the ball rolling for Qwik, I'll do it here too.

Vote Jail Grey

Vote Execute Lathum

I dont think anybody has vouched for lathum, plus i want to see some more point totals. We canNOT go another night without an execution.

[Chief Rum]

And Since I started the ball rolling for Qwik, I'll do it here too.

Vote Jail Grey

Vote Execute Lathum

I dont think anybody has vouched for lathum, plus i want to see some more point totals. We canNOT go another night without an execution.

I agree. This is getting to be a very disappointing game, because we need our own kills here. The in-fighting between factions (hiding info, lack of vouching until jail, etc.) is giving this game to the assassins.

Again, I will be out all day at both of my jobs, so this is the one time I can make any comment or vote in the game. I will have to place my votes, and hope the group of you will make the right decisions.

VOTE EXECUTE LATHUM
VOTE JAIL GREYROOFOO

[bulletsponge]

Vote Jail Greyroofoo

[ntndeacon]

well, phooey. Good Luck everyone.

[Lathum]

From the rules

Players in jail, however, are also safe from being killed by an assassin.

read the writting on the walls, I think the clever assasin planted evidence on me knowing you would execute me today and cause MAJOR confusion amongst everyone for the next day. The rules don't say anywhere about assasins using abilities, just being killed.

I understand the need to gain information but if you execute me today you could gain the wrong information which would be worse. More of you voted for Grey yesterday, I just hope some of my faction members have picked up on my clues somewhere and help me out.

[st.cronin]

King is an assasin - he killed ntn. I do not believe Lathum is an assasin.

JAIL KINGFC

FREE LATHUM

[BrianD]

King is an assasin - he killed ntn. I do not believe Lathum is an assasin.

JAIL KINGFC

FREE LATHUM

Um, what?

[SnDvls]

execute lathum

[BrianD]

So SnDvls, you were with LSG, Blade and NTN? Do your initial points add up properly?

[BrianD]

Also, what 6 people voted for Lathum? you only have four by his name

Barkeep, could you address this question? I looked back at past votes, and none of the four that voted for Lathum appear to have counted as double votes before. I also seem to remember you mentioning that double votes only counted for tie-breakers. Is Lathum really the right person to be in jail?

[Abe Sargent]

King is an assasin - he killed ntn. I do not believe Lathum is an assasin.

JAIL KINGFC

FREE LATHUM

I'd like more info on this thought please.

[BrianD]

I'd like more info on this thought please.

I think it is clear what he is claiming to be, we just need to decide if we believe him.

[Abe Sargent]

I think it is clear what he is claiming to be, we just need to decide if we believe him.

I'm tired of factions voting for someone only AFTER they are incarcerated. This is BAD PLAY

Vote Execute Lathum
Vote Jail Greyroofoo

[BrianD]

I'm tired of factions voting for someone only AFTER they are incarcerated. This is BAD PLAY

Vote Execute Lathum
Vote Jail Greyroofoo

Um...I don't think he is claiming to be in the same faction.

[Abe Sargent]

Obviously it must not be that clear then, st. cronin what are you saying?

[Abe Sargent]

I happen to agree that unlike some of the other games I have done, that this one isn't really all that different from a "normal" game of werewolf. The normal tools for finding a wolf are still there and there are some extra ones included. But I dunno. If there's a way I can make it less initimidating I would love to hear it after the game. Anyhow I'm here now and am about to do the Day Action.

That's not true - no seer.

[BrianD]

Obviously it must not be that clear then, st. cronin what are you saying?

My guess...

Sleepless Noble
This poor Noble has trouble sleeping. Once during the game, the insomniac may choose to wander the castle at night. If there is a kill that night, he will learn the identity of one of the assassins. Likewise, that assassin will learn his identity. This power may not be used before Night 3.

I'm not sure I believe this though...

[RealDeal]

vote jail king
vote no execute

I don't understand why we keep letting people go instead of leaving them in jail. We already had king in jail, but we freed him.

[BrianD]

Not much discussion again today. I think we need an execute at this point to give ourselves a little more information.

Vote Execute
Jail Greyroofoo

[Fouts]

I agree, I think we screwed the pooch yesterday.

vote jail king

vote no execute

[SnDvls]

So SnDvls, you were with LSG, Blade and NTN? Do your initial points add up properly?

yes

[SnDvls]

dola - yes to my points adding up

[BrianD]

dola - yes to my points adding up

Odd, when I did your points, I came up with 10. Not sure where the extra half point came from.

[Fouts]

King is an assasin - he killed ntn. I do not believe Lathum is an assasin.

JAIL KINGFC

FREE LATHUM

So, you saw King make a kill last night? King can you refute this?

[Abe Sargent]

I still wanna hear more from St. cronin, and until I do, my votes stand.

[SnDvls]

SnDvls consider posts 115, 404, 749 and 1123.

sorry I doubted you ntn, but your lack of following yesterday's note brought you up on my radar.

[Schmidty]

Guys, I think it might be partly because I'm working a lot while at the same time planning for the vacation that starts on Friday, and the the fact that I started so late in the game, but I'm finding it difficult to keep up. The last night that I can even vote is Thursday (Barkeep is aware of this), so my mind just isn't in the game. Usually I'd say I'm sorry and that I'm a terrible player, but this time I really can't help the situation.

Anyway, here's my vote:

Jail kingfc

No execute

[LoneStarGirl]

I dont understand why everybody is voting to not execute? NOBODY has vouched for Lathum. He keeps refuting everything we are saying but he is all alone. We have to kill him off to see the points. And i am still unsure about king and I REALLY wish somebody would wake Grey's ass up so he could play and put his two cents in.

[kingfc22]

So, you saw King make a kill last night? King can you refute this?

I did make a kill last night, but I am the cocky noble. That is why the kill was not like the rest. I was going off of what SnDvls was saying last night and how he did not believe ntn was good.

My other choice was grey, but SnDvls seemed to be putting a lot of heat on ntn. Maybe they are in the same faction and he didn't believe he was still loyal to his faction.

Vote Execute Lathum

Still don't see anyone backing him up and we need some point totals.

Vote Jail Grey

[Lathum]

LSG? why are you in such a hurry to kill me? There are other players such as grey who have been very quiet and suspiscous. The only thing I am guilty of is having a faction leader who didn't give a clear message and now is dead.

[LoneStarGirl]

What the hell? King you are bothering me a bit. And lathum, if you are in a faction, and your leader died (who would that be by the way?) then why haven't the other two people in your faction stood up for you?

[LoneStarGirl]

Unvote Jail Grey

Vote Jail King


Until I know more about King I really think he needs to be locked up.

[LoneStarGirl]

BrianD and Fouts, I see you lurking... any thoughts to back me up? Or do you think im on the wrong path?

[Fouts]

BrianD and Fouts, I see you lurking... any thoughts to back me up? Or do you think im on the wrong path?

Agreed, we made a mistake by letting King go. I'm still having a problem putting a 4th member in some groups, but it very possible that Lathum is with the group that has confused me all game (which includes the former DC).

[BrianD]

BrianD and Fouts, I see you lurking... any thoughts to back me up? Or do you think im on the wrong path?

I think you are on the right path, and I voted the same way you did. I'm not sure what to think about King at the moment, but I agree that we need an execution to see where the points are. Since nobody seems to be standing up for Lathum, I think we have to go with the execution. I just really wish we could get an answer from Barkeep about the jail vote last night. It still looks like Grey should be in jail already. I guess it doesn't matter too much since he seems to be the next to go.

[BrianD]

Agreed, we made a mistake by letting King go. I'm still having a problem putting a 4th member in some groups, but it very possible that Lathum is with the group that has confused me all game (which includes the former DC).

I'm very confused by the King thing. He has seemed a bit odd recently, but his points show him to be a noble. I guess we'll see what happens after the new point totals come out. There is just no way King can be an assassin (converted night 1 or 2) and still give my faction positive points for killing Qwik...unless we find out that Qwik was a noble and the points drastically change tonight.

[BrianD]

Really, if evidence was planted on Qwik, we are very much screwed as there will be way too many assassins left with not enough time to get them.

[LoneStarGirl]

DC got replaced didn't she? So really Grey is the only person that isn't playing too much. I want to put grey in jail and then execute him but with the way king is acting, he has got to go...

[LoneStarGirl]

LSG? why are you in such a hurry to kill me? There are other players such as grey who have been very quiet and suspiscous. The only thing I am guilty of is having a faction leader who didn't give a clear message and now is dead.

This bothers me a bit because Lathum says that he has a dead faction leader. Well according to post 2 the only Faction leader dead is Blade. and I know that Lathum was not in Blade's faction...

[Lathum]

What the hell? King you are bothering me a bit. And lathum, if you are in a faction, and your leader died (who would that be by the way?) then why haven't the other two people in your faction stood up for you?

I think another one may also be dead, my leader is obviously quiet because I haven't gotten a message in a while. All I'm saying in I think the assasins set me up with their no kill last night so if you execute me it is going to really screw with the points and also make the people who voted early for me look really bad.

All I'm saying is keep me in jail based on the non kill last night.

The assasins obvously chose not to kill last night so that tells me they probably planted evidence on me. If I was an assasin and they were going to waste a nights kill they would have used it to jailbreak me.

[Fouts]

Really, if evidence was planted on Qwik, we are very much screwed as there will be way too many assassins left with not enough time to get them.

A good reason to make sure Lathum is an assassin. I certainly don't want to be helping them. I'm not sure why a cocky noble would take out NTN, he seemed to be locked in with SnDvls' faction.

[Lathum]

This bothers me a bit because Lathum says that he has a dead faction leader. Well according to post 2 the only Faction leader dead is Blade. and I know that Lathum was not in Blade's faction...

how do you know that?

[st.cronin]

Why do we think king is a cocky noble? He's an assasin.

[LoneStarGirl]

Just because he said he was a cocky noble doesn't mean he is.

And Lathum, I am a smart cookie, thats how i know.

[LoneStarGirl]

If king was a cocky noble then the assasins would have killed last night too. We would have had two murders. But we only had one.

[kingfc22]

A good reason to make sure Lathum is an assassin. I certainly don't want to be helping them. I'm not sure why a cocky noble would take out NTN, he seemed to be locked in with SnDvls' faction.

Yea, but SnDvls didn't seem to believe he was good anymore. We know somebody was converted and I know that it is not anybody in my faction due to the point totals.

So if I killed somebody in another faction I could have:
1. Killed a convert
2. Killed a member of somebody elses faction allowing my team to accumulate more points with the man advantage
3. And I figured I'd rather use my ability then lose it
4. Also, there is no point benefit or penalty associated with my night action.

[BrianD]

I think another one may also be dead, my leader is obviously quiet because I haven't gotten a message in a while. All I'm saying in I think the assasins set me up with their no kill last night so if you execute me it is going to really screw with the points and also make the people who voted early for me look really bad.

All I'm saying is keep me in jail based on the non kill last night.

The assasins obvously chose not to kill last night so that tells me they probably planted evidence on me. If I was an assasin and they were going to waste a nights kill they would have used it to jailbreak me.

I'm sorry, but this really sounds like you are getting ready to spin the fact that we will see you as an assassin after you are executed. This is the same thing that happened with Qwik, and I'm not buying it.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm sorry, but this really sounds like you are getting ready to spin the fact that we will see you as an assassin after you are executed. This is the same thing that happened with Qwik, and I'm not buying it.

Agreed

[Lathum]

I'm sorry, but this really sounds like you are getting ready to spin the fact that we will see you as an assassin after you are executed. This is the same thing that happened with Qwik, and I'm not buying it.

then why no kill last night?

[BrianD]

Because of the point totals, I have to believe King is still a noble. If he was converted, it would have been on night 1 or 2. His execution vote for Qwik would have messed up our point total....I think. I'll have to look over the rules again to make sure.

No assassin kill last night could be an indication that another fast-talker was converted. We are losing our numbers quickly.

[kingfc22]

Why do we think king is a cocky noble? He's an assasin.

How do you know this to be sure?

The night passes. In the morning it is ntn who does not rejoin you. An inspection of his body finds that he was killed in a manner slightly different than the other dead bodies you have found, but it makes no difference as it is another noble dead.

If I was an assassin then why would the kill be different? Why would my faction point totals still add up right?

[BrianD]

then why no kill last night?

I'm guessing fast-talker conversion.

[Lathum]

I'm guessing fast-talker conversion.

2 succesfull conversions in one game? That's what they want you to think...

[Fouts]

I'm having a problem piecing together Mr. Wed's faction. I think I have the other 3 noble factions set.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well I am out until tonight. My vote stands, hopefully nothing new and big comes out between now and then.

[st.cronin]

I am almost positive that killing Lathum is a mistake.

UNVOTE FREE LATHUM

VOTE NO EXECUTE

[Fouts]

I'm heading out for class. I hope we are sure that we got the right guy, because I have Lathum written down with the confused faction (Mr.Wed, DC, cronin).

I'm not sure about King or Grey. I'd happily jail either one.

[BrianD]

I'm heading out for class. I hope we are sure that we got the right guy, because I have Lathum written down with the confused faction (Mr.Wed, DC, cronin).

I'm not sure about King or Grey. I'd happily jail either one.

I had those three in a group as well, but I didn't know the fourth. I had thought it was Blade, but I guess that was wrong.

The main faction I don't know about is yours Fouts. After tonight's events, I'll probably spend the rest of the game choosing between the assassins and your faction...since I'm not sure I'll be able to tell them apart.

[bulletsponge]

Vote execute Lathum

[BrianD]

Vote execute Lathum

Did you vote to jail someone too?

[SnDvls]

jail king

[Barkeep49]

Ok I'm running behind. Was called into work at the last minute and didn't bring my ww stuff. Am shoveling down dinner now and then will post results.

[LoneStarGirl]

wow, its so suspensful....

[LoneStarGirl]

Damn Blade, must be some dinner you are stuffing down

[Lathum]

Damn Blade, must be some dinner you are stuffing down

this ones just to easy

[Barkeep49]

Wow. I'm Blade? I'm not sure if that's a complement for me or an insult to him.

Ok I had finished stuffing dinner down, but then I needed to calculate points. Post up shortly.

[LoneStarGirl]

Barkeep, Blade....same thing ;)

Sorry, I'm sleepy

[st.cronin]

Barkeep, Blade....same thing ;)

Sorry, I'm sleepy

ouch

[Barkeep49]

After a day's long discussions the group appears deadlocked. Just when it seems that it is going to tilt in one direction, suddenly it tilts in a whole different direction. In the end, the force of the weight behind impisioning Grey barely wins out.

But of more interest is the execution vote. Lathum is condemned by the end of the day. The group assembles and watches as the executioner does his deed. When there is a search of Lathum's room the results are conclusive: Lathum was an assassin.

But it's the reaction outside that is of most interest. The crowd cheers. It seems as though through the actions at the conclave that the people are ready to crown a new king. The people's chanting can't be clearly heard, but as the nobles migrate outside it becomes clearer and clearer. It is Bulletsponge's name that they are chanting. Bulletsponge, overjoyed at this development goes before the crowd and makes a speech promising peace and prosperity.

And with that a king has been crowned.

Final scoreboard:
Faction A 15.5
Faction B 0.5
Faction C 2.5
Faction D 19.5
Faction E 8.5


Normal Victory:
Bulletsponge
BrianD
King
Anxiety

Minor Victory:
Greyroofoo
Schmidty


Thanks to everyone for playing. Will post the complete role list in a moment.

[LoneStarGirl]

What the hell? I knew he was an assasin but i voted to jail him first.

[BrianD]

Wow, after all that messing around, we seem to have done something right.

[LoneStarGirl]

execute him first i mean

[LoneStarGirl]

its funny that grey and schmitdy got a minor victory when they really were never around

[Blade6119]

My guess i told barkeep about for my bad guy list was lathum, sndvls, and cronin(and maybe LSG)...im looking forward to seeing how wrong i was

[SnDvls]

so how was it know/determined if the noble crowned was of a tolerated faction?

[Barkeep49]

What the hell? I knew he was an assasin but i voted to jail him first.
And you got points accordingly.

But when Faction D had the lynch, plus all three of its members who voted for it, that was enough to push it over the hump.

[SnDvls]

My guess i told barkeep about for my bad guy list was lathum, sndvls, and cronin(and maybe LSG)...im looking forward to seeing how wrong i was


very wrong as I and LSG were in your faction

[LoneStarGirl]

Well Blade and NTNdeacon and SNDVLS, are faction A got the second most in points, even though blade died the first night and sndvls tattled on NTN and got him killed. :p

[Blade6119]

What suprised me is Faction A had two member killed off, and i think a 3rd converted, and still came THIS close to winning ;)

[Barkeep49]

its funny that grey and schmitdy got a minor victory when they really were never around
I agree. The faction verus faction part didn't work out as well as I had hoped since people didn't realize how close the game was to ending and thus didn't start to sabotage the other good guys.

The good guys, in the end, batted a 100%. I am not sure if that was a fault of the game or just good playing by the humans.

[LoneStarGirl]

If ntndeacon was still alive and voted for him lathum we might have had just enough....

[SnDvls]

Well Blade and NTNdeacon and SNDVLS, are faction A got the second most in points, even though blade died the first night and sndvls tattled on NTN and got him killed. :p


when he didn't post as you requested in your last note I had to assume he was turned

[Blade6119]

very wrong as I and LSG were in your faction

Im aware you and NTN were when alive, and LSG post mortem, but i figured you went the way of the bad guy when you got NTN killed.

LSG, did you post any of my clues? I didnt see them from you like i did ntn and sndvls

[LoneStarGirl]

SNDVLS you got converted?

[SnDvls]

BK - will you post the starting factions and conversions and kills ect at some point?

[SnDvls]

SNDVLS you got converted?

no!!

[LoneStarGirl]

Yah I posted them blade.... I just did them late cuz of my jobs.

And SNDVLS, NTNDeacon did post what i said, start with a P end in execute. That's how i knew he was in my faction.

Faction A should get a boobie prize or something :D

[ntndeacon]

I hought Cronin was the converted noble as well Blade

[LoneStarGirl]

Who were the assasins, Lathum, Qwik....? anybody else

[SnDvls]

I could have sworn Hoops was in A with us as many of his post had our clues too from Blade

[LoneStarGirl]

Blade was teh faction leader, i didn't think they could get converted. Blade didn't last long enough to get converted really

[SnDvls]

Yah I posted them blade.... I just did them late cuz of my jobs.

And SNDVLS, NTNDeacon did post what i said, start with a P end in execute. That's how i knew he was in my faction.

Faction A should get a boobie prize or something :D

where? I looked and didn't see it in his 1st post of the day

????:confused:

[Barkeep49]

Faction Leader A Blade6119
Fast Talking Noble Lonestargirl
Sndvls
Ntndeacon
Faction Leader B Greyroofoo
Favored Noble/Lucky Noble Schmidty
Fast Talking Noble st.cronin
Wise Noble Mr. Wednesday
Efficient Assassin WVUFan
Clever Assassin Lathum
Vengeful Assassin Qwikshot
Faction Leader C Bulletsponge
BrianD
Cocky Noble King
Fast Talking Noble Anxiety
Faction Leader D/Favored Noble RealDeal
Rich Noble/Fast Talking Noble Fouts
Warrior Noble Chief Rum
Hoopsguy

st.cronin was converted Night 1
Fouts was converted last night.

In a cluth move Chief had protected him the previous night. Otherwise Fouts would have been converted then and the vote yesterday likely goes in a different direction.

As always comments are welcome and appreciated.

[Blade6119]

Yah I posted them blade.... I just did them late cuz of my jobs.

And SNDVLS, NTNDeacon did post what i said, start with a P end in execute. That's how i knew he was in my faction.

Faction A should get a boobie prize or something :D

I must have missed them...all is well though, as when i created my story to bait badguys you werent involved i dont believe. So either way you stayed off my radar :)

If not sndvls, then who? Lathum, cronin, king? Im really looking forward to the list

[Blade6119]

I could have sworn Hoops was in A with us as many of his post had our clues too from Blade

No, none of his posts did. I made it clear which post # of the day for you the clues had to be in, and none of his followed.

[hoopsguy]

I could have sworn Hoops was in A with us as many of his post had our clues too from Blade

I think I unwittingly posted in a manner that was consistent with a couple of factions. Barkeep, I would love to see what the messages were as well if you are able to post those.

Good game, all.

[SnDvls]

where? I looked and didn't see it in his 1st post of the day

????:confused:

okay I found it, but the thing that threw me off was using "execution" in his bolded vote and not just a random sentence.


again sorry to LSG and NTN

[LoneStarGirl]

Im aware you and NTN were when alive, and LSG post mortem, but i figured you went the way of the bad guy when you got NTN killed.

LSG, did you post any of my clues? I didnt see them from you like i did ntn and sndvls

Post 282 is when i used V as my seventh word...

[SnDvls]

No, none of his posts did. I made it clear which post # of the day for you the clues had to be in, and none of his followed.

I think his day 2 fit the bill but not day 1

[ntndeacon]

Blade Isaw that Lonestar had followed the first days ithink but her post on the second day was right after the day had started so she did not have it then. I was sure you had seen that and that was what your 1 or 2 members of the faction you thought you knew were.

[hoopsguy]

I'm also amused that I came out firing on a pair of faction leaders on Day 1 - first Blade, then switched to Bullet.

I also asked Barkeep to drop something in his Day 4 recap referencing Post #877, where I felt like I had left my "final Day 3 thoughts". I was happy to see people pick up on my trust list from Day 1, but would have preferred that people look at my distrust list in Day 3. I was girding myself to go after Lathum on Day 4, but didn't want to launch a night assault and give another reason for them to kill me. In hindsight, perhaps I should have taken that approach.

Lonestargirl, you had a very strong first game here. First votes in on Qwikshot and Lathum, and generally making very good reads from what I followed.

I also thought NTN and MrW played good games.

Rum, why the heck did you leave your vote on me on Day 1, with us on the same faction? I thought I telegraphed my faction pretty clearly, although I'm pretty sure you did not ... made it a bear to follow for me and Fouts (from what I could tell).

[LoneStarGirl]

Oh well, this was a fun first game to play. I learned a lot. I didn't know i was the fast talking noble though... good thing nobody tried to kill me. I am off to bed, hopefully i do better on my beginner's game i am playing now.

[SnDvls]

Post 282 is when i used V as my seventh word...

I think you missed day 1 or something, as I joined late and had to reread every post to fine them. But caught on to day 2.

Also because I didn't get a day 2 or 3 message until late they probally threw you off Blade as I didn't want to jump in and then post it after BK made a public statement about me not getting the message.

[st.cronin]

Very hard game for the badguys to win, imo.

[st.cronin]

Hoops, I thought LSG played well too. I was pretty scared of her by the end.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, what ways could the rules be tilted more to assist the bad guys? Different points value for victory? Different number of starting bad guys?

I think this was a game of momentum, personally. Very challenging for the bad guys to win when the good guys get the first kill of the game.

[Blade6119]

I think his day 2 fit the bill but not day 1

Not even close from what i can see

Our day 2 code:"First post, 1st word, start with D. 8th word must be "assasins."

Hoopsguy first day 2 post:
Worst case scenario is that the assassins got a fast talker to join up with them last night. That could really hamper our efforts at making sense out of the messages from yesterday.

Barkeep, if there are multiple people in jail are we able to send in multiple Execute orders? Or are we restricted to one execute per day?

He was close with his 7th word being assasins, but when it didnt start with D i didnt even read it for code. I read it later for game reasons, but i scanned first for code and he never broke it. His day one posts are incredibly far off the code, and day 3 he never came close either.

[SnDvls]

I would for future reference not have replacement players and just adjust as it really is hard to get into the flow in this type of game as a replacement. Not only are you behind w/ your faction, but with the whole game.

[st.cronin]

Cronin, what ways could the rules be tilted more to assist the bad guys? Different points value for victory? Different number of starting bad guys?

I think this was a game of momentum, personally. Very challenging for the bad guys to win when the good guys get the first kill of the game.


My first thought is that I think points need to be hidden.

[SnDvls]

wow looking back on it faction A had crap for roles too. :)

[hoopsguy]

My first thought is that I think points need to be hidden.

I had a very similar thought - assassins point total is hidden. They have a faction, but their point total is not listed. The moderator can give an indication of their relative success in the points messages, indicating a level of restlessness from the populace.

[ntndeacon]

I think the reluctance of the nobles to kill helped them out. Hey did we ever find out what exactly happened on night too to cause no assassinations?

[Blade6119]

Faction A Codes:

Night 0:Message: "First post after official day start, 7th word, must begin with V"


Night 1:"First post, 1st word, start with P. 6th word must be "nobles." "


Night 2:"First post, 1st word, start with D. 8th word must be "assasins."

Night 3(not sure if recieved, i was killed):"SnDvls...ntndeacon...? Others include phrase: "crown a faction leader" in first post.

I was killed this night, and LSG took over. I do not know her codes.

[ntndeacon]

I almost released my list of who ithought the assassins were before iwent to bed the night iwas taken out, I was pretty sure that cronin was the converted one but ithought Grey was the other assassin not WVU. oh well I can't be right in everything

[ntndeacon]

night 3's post wasn't recieved Blade

[st.cronin]

I think the reluctance of the nobles to kill helped them out. Hey did we ever find out what exactly happened on night too to cause no assassinations?

iirc, night 2 we targeted Blade, but he was protected. Day 3, Qwik was lynched, and poisoned hoops. That night we went after Blade again. The next night, we targeted Mr. Wednesday and Fouts (WVUFan = efficient assasin), but Fouts was protected. Then last night we went after Fouts again.

[Blade6119]

iirc, night 2 we targeted Blade, but he was protected. Day 3, Qwik was lynched, and poisoned hoops. That night we went after Blade again.
So you talk a bunch of smack about me and try to kill me TWICE!! I see where i stand

I GUESS I SHOULD SAY THANK YOU CHIEF!!!:)

[SnDvls]

night 3's post wasn't recieved Blade

none of us got a night 3 as you were killed and it took a night for our new leader to be allowed to get one out. I PMed BK about this as I was having trouble getting messages anyhow.

[ntndeacon]

iirc, night 2 we targeted Blade, but he was protected. Day 3, Qwik was lynched, and poisoned hoops. That night we went after Blade again. The next night, we targeted Mr. Wednesday and Fouts (WVUFan = efficient assasin), but Fouts was protected. Then last night we went after Fouts again.

So when he spit into the group, he DID kill someone! I thought that looked weird at the time... I might have mentioned something about it in passing.

[Lathum]

I never saw this coming, I was sure once we got Fouts we would have an easy win.

[Abe Sargent]

WHOOOOOO

[ntndeacon]

I never saw this coming, I was sure once we got Fouts we would have an easy win.

Except Fouts first post after being converted was to try to free you. That raised eyebrows with a lot of folks.

[RealDeal]

Was too busy at work, never got into this game much, and didn't really play well or make any contribution. Fun game, but seems hard for the assassins. It seemed like if someone really wanted to take the time, between the scores and Mr.W's code, it was possible to figure most everything out.

[st.cronin]

I definitely saw this coming. It's why I pushed so hard for king to get executed, and why I came out swinging to get Lathum freed. I just couldn't think of a reveal that would make sense.

[Abe Sargent]

For those of you who are wondering why I went after king yesterday when he was in my faction

I wasn't on when king went down, and I knew BrianD/BS would have to vouch for king. This made our faction very, very public, and I felt it was best if the fourth member of said faction (me) distanced himself with the others.

I wanted to push BrianD/BS into vouching that yes, king did, in fact, give a singal, and then I hang my head sheepishly. Unfortunately, king outed everything, including what the signals were, so anyone going back woul dsee that I was Faction D as well, so it didn't work as well as I had thought. I also did a frudian slip when I told BrianD something about OUR faction when I meant to say YOUR faction and I was hoping no one noticed, but ah well. We still won :)

I had assumed that king hammed it up about killing me because he knew what I was doing and wanted to distance me from the other three as well. After all, if I was the fast talker (and I didn't know if I was or not, obviously) and king and bs had roles already, they might have gone after me and hit me, so I wnated that distance.

It all worked in the end, but not my gambit. Congrats team!

[ntndeacon]

I had a similar instinct especially after SnDvls came to LSG's rescue. I thought that they had seen my posts showing my belonging to faction A so I was willing to stay relatively quiet. I knew also our faction would get points out of releasing one of our faction from Jail.

[kingfc22]

Sweet. I knew my play would be risky on outing Bullet, but I figured it was the only way for me to get out of jail. Also, it made our faction pretty safe from being jailed since everyone knew we were good. Although it didn't really seem like it was going to work for the longest time.

[bulletsponge]

Woot i am king! all bow down before me http://www.smileyhut.com/naughty/kiss_ass.gif

[ntndeacon]

darn it! I knew we shoulda left King in Jail! (not really, but at least then I would not have died.)

[bulletsponge]

dola

btw i never knew Anxiety was in my faction. i sorta skimed (ie skipped) most of the posts in the first 3 or 4 days. yea im a bad player http://www.smileyhut.com/silly/apple.gif

[hoopsguy]

Bullet, see what happens when Chubby isn't around to kill you early?

All hail Caeser! Er, Bulletsponge!

[kingfc22]

I had assumed that king hammed it up about killing me because he knew what I was doing and wanted to distance me from the other three as well.

Heh. Yea, that was pretty fun claiming that I would kill somebody in my own faction.:p Looks like my move to kill NTN helped us win the game.

All hail King Bullet!!!

[Mr. Wednesday]

I agree. The faction verus faction part didn't work out as well as I had hoped since people didn't realize how close the game was to ending and thus didn't start to sabotage the other good guys.
I think that was mainly a function of us only getting one point total over the entire course of the game. Although, if there was an attempt to start interfaction fighting, I'm not sure how that would have worked. Maybe the non-tolerating factions uniting to try to jail the leader of the leading faction.

The good guys, in the end, batted a 100%. I am not sure if that was a fault of the game or just good playing by the humans.
We batted 1.000 on executions, but not nearly as well on jailing people. Basically, the two-step process brought us back from the ledge on some folks.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Was too busy at work, never got into this game much, and didn't really play well or make any contribution. Fun game, but seems hard for the assassins. It seemed like if someone really wanted to take the time, between the scores and Mr.W's code, it was possible to figure most everything out.
My code?

[Blade6119]

I suppose i should explain my odd play on day 3.

As a faction leader i figured the best way to avoid detection/death was to stay under the radar. Unlike others(realdeal, grey, to some extent bullet) i cant go quiet and get away with it. So i had to figure out a way to stay in the open but not be pegged as a faction leader. So i decided to begin claiming vauge messages to look like a villager. While typing my first message out(originally it had nothing to do with grey or lathum) i decided i could use my cover as a way to hunt for bad guys. I picked a random name in grey, and qwikshot since he was someone a leader would discuss, and made a random message.

My thoughts being that bad guys were desperately looking for a group to cling to that would shelter them from persecution. I hoped that my vauge claims would be easy enough to grasp onto, and i could catch a few wolves. I came out with the story and sure enough the first two to back me in any way were lathum and cronin. Chief and anxiety did follow, but i saw 4 people and figured i had multiple wolves on my hands(NTN followed, but i knew he was in my faction so i disregarded him).

I planned on coming totally clean the next day and saying we should examine strongly these 4, but i was killed that night unfortunately.

WVU on the other hand, with his no vote, i would have had a terrible time fingering.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The only code we ever had was, use the word "strange" AND mention "Barkeep". st.cronin did that, although I never fully trusted him because of the night 1 conversion (which I knew to be either night 1 or night 2). DodgerChick did that too, but then she did something really weird on day 2 where she seemed to be really obviously following st.cronin's suggestion but didn't use the right letters from the PM. I abstained from this because I had no idea how to use that many letters without being transparently obvious.

Day 2, no message from grey, day 3 was only to tell us when he was protected, and after that he was gone entirely.

I was very suspicious of Lathum, but never pegged anybody else. Considering how I was flailing around I'm a little surprised I was targetted.

[Blade6119]

The only code we ever had was, use the word "strange" AND mention "Barkeep". st.cronin did that, although I never fully trusted him because of the night 1 conversion (which I knew to be either night 1 or night 2). DodgerChick did that too, but then she did something really weird on day 2 where she seemed to be really obviously following st.cronin's suggestion but didn't use the right letters from the PM. I abstained from this because I had no idea how to use that many letters without being transparently obvious.

Day 2, no message from grey, day 3 was only to tell us when he was protected, and after that he was gone entirely.

I was very suspicious of Lathum, but never pegged anybody else. Considering how I was flailing around I'm a little surprised I was targetted.
I thought he meant your roles code, which was revealed upon your death. Your notes were left in code, which barkeep deciphered for the group. It referred to how many roles were out there.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Right, that makes sense.

(I was posting the latter just for general interest.)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I thought there was one fast talker per faction, which was an (unstated) reason for pushing the count of four factions back when we were trying to figure that, aside from it just made sense.

If I had been forced into a role reveal, I actually wouldn't have passed most of the information in my "coded notes" on. There were a couple of things that were useful to the villagers (known conversion count, existence of an assassin role or two), but I didn't think the absence of the seer or the large number of fast-talking nobles was something I really wanted the assassins to know.

[ntndeacon]

Remember though, we were told at the beginning of the game there was one fast talker per faction.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Actually,
There will be 1 Noble Leader and at least 1 Fast Talking Noble for each faction in the game.

Heh. I missed that, but still came to approximately the same conclusion.

[Chief Rum]

Rum, why the heck did you leave your vote on me on Day 1, with us on the same faction? I thought I telegraphed my faction pretty clearly, although I'm pretty sure you did not ... made it a bear to follow for me and Fouts (from what I could tell).

It was a combination of confusion over the points system, and some weird glitch in my PM settings.

I didn't know I was in yours and Fouts faction until almost the deadline on Day 1. Some bug related to my Private Message pop up kept it from coming up, so I didn't see RealDeal's PM for almost the entire day. I thought RD just forgot to send in a message in the lead up time to the first day. By that time, I had already accused you and said I was sticking with you because I had no one better to vote for.

I finally saw the PM about an hour before the deadline. After discovering my error and who the members of my faction were, I posted this in post #301:

You know, with this many factions, it wouldn't surprise me if st. cronin's fear comes true again, and some nobles mistake or simply miss their leader's message intent or message altogether, thus causing havoc in that faction's dealings.

Even if everyone gets it right, it has to be downright confusing with so many factions. Does anyone who played in the last TACK have any tips for how to handle things in this one?

As you can see, I suggest exactly what happened in the first sentence, and then I start the second sentence with "E", as RD requested in his message. Obviously, this was not my first post, so I was hoping the first paragraph would make it clear.

I followed RD's instructions the next two nights to a T, including letting you guys know I was a warrior, cocky or wise (warrior, obviously).

As for leaving my vote on you, the points were confusing to me, and it seemed important to keep our faction hidden at the time. I didn't think it cost us any points for me to leave my harmless vote on you, since you weren't headed to jail. I thought a late switch would have been suspicious as well, and brought attention to both of us. Plus, you were already making a lot of noise in the game by that time.

I am surprised I was successful as a warrior as I was, because I thought I was a dismal failure.

I protected RD on night 1, because he was our faction leader. I didn't know if he would pick even or odd. Unfortunately, he picked odd, so it was a waste of a protection. On Night 2, I protected you, not seeing you would jump on your points theory with the first execution and making you an obvious target the next night. I couldn't protect you on night 3, and of course, you were killed. I think I protected myself that night. It was a stupid move--I should have also anticipated the attack on Mr. W, who was also very vocal with his theories and points.

Night 4 was the night I protected Fouts, and it turns out to be a critical move. What disappoints me is that I didn't learn anything about it, since Fouts was a target. I would have thought I would have learned the identity of an assassin if an attack was made on Fouts, but clearly I did not. Usually in WW games, the bodyguard and assassin are revealed to one another, at least from what I have seen. There was nothing in my message at all about that night.

Last night I protected bulletsponge, as an "outed" faction leader. Obviously, the assassins went after Fouts again, so my protection didn't figure into things there.

[Fouts]

Except Fouts first post after being converted was to try to free you. That raised eyebrows with a lot of folks.

Wrong, I said no execute. You were dead, how would you know about eyebrows being raised? ;)

[Abe Sargent]

I appreicate Barkeep trying to save the mistake of the mysterious pm, but I was absolutely right in thinking Fouts and Chief Rum were clean.

We each got a pm on Night Three stating that we could not find the message from our leader. Fouts aand CR are the two that I would have wanted to vouch for me and vice versa on Day Four if needed.

[Fouts]

Nice job on the protection, Chief. If they had gotten me a day earlier, no way Lathum is jailed. BTW, you were probably dead if the game wasn't over, because I passed on to the assassins that you were the warrior. I would have freed everyone from jail, too.

Confusing game for the most part. I didn't see any way for the villagers to catch the bad guys in time with all the conversions possible. What I didn't realize is the points would end the game.

I love the detail you put in the game, BK. Thanks for hosting.

[Abe Sargent]

CR, is one of the reasons you protected Fouts on Night 4 because he was included in our pm as well as being in your faction?

[Fouts]

I appreicate Barkeep trying to save the mistake of the mysterious pm, but I was absolutely right in thinking Fouts and Chief Rum were clean.

We each got a pm on Night Three stating that we could not find the message from our leader. Fouts aand CR are the two that I would have wanted to vouch for me and vice versa on Day Four if needed.

Yep, I exchanged some pm's about that with BK before reading your post. I thought it cleared you two, but not 100% since BK said it was a mistake to think that. I suppose he meant about my being a fast-talker (which I didn't know).

[Chief Rum]

I appreicate Barkeep trying to save the mistake of the mysterious pm, but I was absolutely right in thinking Fouts and Chief Rum were clean.

We each got a pm on Night Three stating that we could not find the message from our leader. Fouts aand CR are the two that I would have wanted to vouch for me and vice versa on Day Four if needed.

Yup, I would have vouched for you if it came to it. Fouts wouldn't have, but we know why now. ;)

Actually, he may have, because if he didn't, he would know I would guess he had been converted.

[Chief Rum]

CR, is one of the reasons you protected Fouts on Night 4 because he was included in our pm as well as being in your faction?

Actually, Fouts had been pretty vocal about his points theories to that point, at least after hoopsguy and Mr. W had been killed. It was between him and BrianD, and I chose to protect my fellow faction member.

[Chief Rum]

CR, is one of the reasons you protected Fouts on Night 4 because he was included in our pm as well as being in your faction?

Oh yeah, and the PM had nothing to do with it, because I already knew Fouts was good (obviously, I didn't know he was a Fast Talker). What that PM did for me was clear you.

[Fouts]

CR, is one of the reasons you protected Fouts on Night 4 because he was included in our pm as well as being in your faction?

I didnt' know CR was in my faction until the pm from BK. Then I went back and found his day 2 code, but not his day 1. I figured he just missed it. I was very suprised at how little heat that realdeal and CR took in this game. They were very quiet, and nobody questioned that.

[Chief Rum]

Nice job on the protection, Chief. If they had gotten me a day earlier, no way Lathum is jailed. BTW, you were probably dead if the game wasn't over, because I passed on to the assassins that you were the warrior. I would have freed everyone from jail, too.

Confusing game for the most part. I didn't see any way for the villagers to catch the bad guys in time with all the conversions possible. What I didn't realize is the points would end the game.

I love the detail you put in the game, BK. Thanks for hosting.

Interesting. So you did figure out my message from Day One and realized I was in your faction. Or was it the PM?

Actually, you must have figured it out before that, because you would have had to know to look for the code in my message. Since by that time Mr. W was revealed as the Wise noble, I could only be cocky or the warrior, and you knew from ntn's actions/revelations that he was the cocky noble. Am I following your line of thinking right?

[Chief Rum]

I didnt' know CR was in my faction until the pm from BK. Then I went back and found his day 2 code, but not his day 1. I figured he just missed it. I was very suprised at how little heat that realdeal and CR took in this game. They were very quiet, and nobody questioned that.

Ah ha, answered part of what I suggested in the previous post. Obviously, I point out now what happened with the Day 1 post. Weird thing. I guess you didn't make note of that particular post I made.

I actually was pretty vocal early on, as I was on vacation and at home. My only real disadvantage there was, when on vacation, I sleep in, and I am on the West Coast. So no one hears from me until 12 p.m. PDT (3 p.m. EDT) on those days.

Of course, this week, I have been back at work, so my normal disappearing act from previous games (early posting/late posting only) kicked in.

[st.cronin]

I love the detail you put in the game, BK. Thanks for hosting.

I agree. Barkeep's games are a lot of fun.

[Fouts]

Interesting. So you did figure out my message from Day One and realized I was in your faction. Or was it the PM?

Actually, you must have figured it out before that, because you would have had to know to look for the code in my message. Since by that time Mr. W was revealed as the Wise noble, I could only be cocky or the warrior, and you knew from ntn's actions/revelations that he was the cocky noble. Am I following your line of thinking right?

Yes. What happened was after the pm mistake from BK, I looked through your first posts of each day and although day 1 didn't fit, day 2 did.

After I was converted, I was passing info to the bad guys and noticed realdeal's message about cocky, wise, or warrior. I looked at your first post after that pm, and it fit. Mr. Wed = wise, King = cocky, so you had to be warrior.

I also relayed that realdeal said he protected odd, but I told them he might be lying. I couldn't understand why we would need that info. Because Chief was the warrior, thats why.

[Barkeep49]

I appreicate Barkeep trying to save the mistake of the mysterious pm, but I was absolutely right in thinking Fouts and Chief Rum were clean.

We each got a pm on Night Three stating that we could not find the message from our leader. Fouts aand CR are the two that I would have wanted to vouch for me and vice versa on Day Four if needed.
I was just coverying my ass there. Everyone, except Faction A, whose leader was in jail, that night recieved the same message, including cronin. So if I had messed up on the other message there would have been an assassin included in your "cleared" list.

[BrianD]

I don't want to respond to a dozen different posts, so I'll try to summarize my thoughts in one post.

King and Anxiety...I now understand what you were doing with all of your fighting. At the time you were doing it, I was totally confused. I was pretty sure one or both of you didn't realize you were in the same faction and I couldn't figure out how to let you know. Anxiety, I did notice your slip by using the word "our" and I'm really surprised that nobody pointed it out. Toward the end of the whole fight, I was sure that everyone would know that you were part of the faction.

A bunch of people were surprised to learn that WVU was an assassin, but I had him pretty well pegged. Since I knew from the beginning that Bullet was a leader, I had a different point total than most other people. While I posted a list totaling 21 points, my own total was really 24. The only way I could get close to 27 points was to take all of WVU's non-posts and change them from a negative point penalty to a positive point penalty. I would have come out with all of this soon since everyone now knew about Bullet.

I was also starting to be suspicious of st.cronin, but I had no clue about Fouts. I probably would have gone down protecting him.

If we played a few more games like this without making any changes, I think the results would be much different. Since nobody knew how the points really worked or what a good strategy would be, all of the nobles joined together to kick out the assassins. After a few more games, the nobles would probably try to fight against each other a bit more. We could probably also take away the minor victory for having a different leader crowned king. If there is only a victory for your guy getting crowned, or all assassins killed, there would be more in-fighting.

All in all, a very fun concept which probably would be very interesting if schedules would permit people to be more active.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I didnt' know CR was in my faction until the pm from BK. Then I went back and found his day 2 code, but not his day 1. I figured he just missed it. I was very suprised at how little heat that realdeal and CR took in this game. They were very quiet, and nobody questioned that.

I considered people focusing on my faction leader to be a more proximate concern to me than others, and Chief Rum voted the right way the first time greyroofoo came up. That's why I didn't focus on him.

[Lorena]

The only code we ever had was, use the word "strange" AND mention "Barkeep". st.cronin did that, although I never fully trusted him because of the night 1 conversion (which I knew to be either night 1 or night 2). DodgerChick did that too, but then she did something really weird on day 2 where she seemed to be really obviously following st.cronin's suggestion but didn't use the right letters from the PM. I abstained from this because I had no idea how to use that many letters without being transparently obvious.

Day 2, no message from grey, day 3 was only to tell us when he was protected, and after that he was gone entirely.

I was very suspicious of Lathum, but never pegged anybody else. Considering how I was flailing around I'm a little surprised I was targetted.

If I remember correctly, cronin wanted us to take the first letter of the message and make a sentence with it. I wasn't sure if that meant the first message from our leader, or the first sentence from the PM we received. I understood it to mean the first sentence of the PM which was:

In the morning you notice Greyroofoo drop a note. IT reads
Identify. Mention Barkeep in a post. Also use the word "Strange"

Looks like I misunderstood what he was saying.

[Mr. Wednesday]

He wanted us to take the first letter of every word in the message and make a sentence out of it, or so I thought.

[Schmidty]

its funny that grey and schmitdy got a minor victory when they really were never around

That's true that I wasn't around much, but it's pretty unfair to slam me since I only started (as a fill in) like 4-5 days ago.

[LoneStarGirl]

That's true that I wasn't around much, but it's pretty unfair to slam me since I only started (as a fill in) like 4-5 days ago.


I didn't know that was a 'slam' And i said it was funny...get a grip.


It is also funny that there is more conversation after the game is over than while the game was being played.

[Mr. Wednesday]

That's 'cuz most of the people conversing are the ones who got killed off while the game was in progress. :p