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[hoopsguy]

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I'll move it if someone wakes up and reveals some juicy night actions. Also, JE and Gonzo still worry me a little.

If you weren't caught up at the deadline, that is one thing. But you had time to catch up between then and 6AM this morning, when you cast the second vote on DT. That struck me as a "lets see if we can get a nice, easy bandwagon rolling today" vote. You set the table for the bandwagon the night before, you weren't the first vote on him (Lathum went there last night) and you could look like you had carefully considered it overnight, while leaving the out that "I'll change if anyone saw anything".

[Passacaglia]

If you weren't caught up at the deadline, that is one thing. But you had time to catch up between then and 6AM this morning, when you cast the second vote on DT. That struck me as a "lets see if we can get a nice, easy bandwagon rolling today" vote. You set the table for the bandwagon the night before, you weren't the first vote on him (Lathum went there last night) and you could look like you had carefully considered it overnight, while leaving the out that "I'll change if anyone saw anything".

I'm definitely not looking to get a bandwagon going. I want there to be options -- and I've discussed a few. I'm not even sure why saying "I'll change if anyone say anything" is much of an out. It was more of a comment that it was still early in the morning, and I was hoping the day would provide more information. I think if someone had seen anything, I'd be in my right to change my vote, whether I made that comment or not!

[hoopsguy]

Of course you would, Pass. But what was the rush to get a 2nd vote in on DaddyTorgo without allowing information to come forward? The reason to rush towards the early vote, if you didn't have information to back it, is if you had a high level of confidence in the vote. Which you clearly don't, based on your recent comments.

It wasn't a vote to "make a quiet player talk" - normally it is challenging to get DT to shut up :)

It wasn't a vote to try and get the seer to view him - actions were already processed for this day, and we were 15 hours away from the next deadline when you posted it.

If it wasn't a vote to get a bandwagon going, then why would you cast that vote at 6AM?

I had not yet come out with guns blazing defending DT (again, I don't have proof he is good, just trying to make sense of play so far), so there was no reason for you to think this would be controversial or draw undo attention.

Lathum, when pushed, has already offered up why he voted for DT.

[Passacaglia]

Of course you would, Pass. But what was the rush to get a 2nd vote in on DaddyTorgo without allowing information to come forward? The reason to rush towards the early vote, if you didn't have information to back it, is if you had a high level of confidence in the vote. Which you clearly don't, based on your recent comments.

It wasn't a vote to "make a quiet player talk" - normally it is challenging to get DT to shut up :)

It wasn't a vote to try and get the seer to view him - actions were already processed for this day, and we were 15 hours away from the next deadline when you posted it.

If it wasn't a vote to get a bandwagon going, then why would you cast that vote at 6AM?

I had not yet come out with guns blazing defending DT (again, I don't have proof he is good, just trying to make sense of play so far), so there was no reason for you to think this would be controversial or draw undo attention.

Lathum, when pushed, has already offered up why he voted for DT.

You're right -- I don't have much on DT, but I have more suspicion of him than anyone else. That's why I voted for him at 6 am. My MO is to place a vote when I perceive someone as being more suspicious than everyone else, knowing that most likely, that's going to change, and I can unvote.

[DaddyTorgo]

It wasn't a vote to "make a quiet player talk" - normally it is challenging to get DT to shut up :)


thanks...i think:D

[Lathum]

i'm not the duke

i'll tell you what was going on in my mind:

my gut and some early actions said cronin was a wolf. I pushed for him aggressively hoping he'd be scanned n1.

voted for him right away on d2 in order that the seer wouldn't have to be the only one making the play at cronin and also thought that I might be able to figure out from that who the seer was and establish a UTR-COT.

Like I said, since I saw more people strongely arguing to vote cronin instead of pushing someone else (such as me) or arguing that cronin was innocent, I assumed that the seer was the 2nd or 3rd vote on cronin and one of those people making arguments to lynch cronin.

but apparently the seer scanned someone else. Which was always the possible drawback of my idea.

once again. Lynch me if you must, but i'm not the duke. I can't save myself.



lathum's confusing the crap out of me.



rare triple-dola

aaaah, I understand his play now that I have caught up.


OK, these 3 posts in a row don't jive with me.

In the first one DT tells us he isn't the dike and we shouldn't lynch him, explains his pay, eyc...

the second one he says my play is confusing him.

The third on he says it makes sense now that he is caught up.

Why would he even make the first statement IF HE WASN'T ALREADY CAUGHT UP!!

his first statement was in response to my theory and strategy, why the hell would he be confused if he knew my strategy. I think he is a wolf and my vote stays.

[DaddyTorgo]

because I have "newest post on top" setup so I saw your first post and responded right away. Then went back and reread and said it was confusing...and then a minute or two later it made sense to me and I got it.

[Lathum]

lol, should say "duke" not "dike" :eek:

[Lathum]

because I have "newest post on top" setup so I saw your first post and responded right away. Then went back and reread and said it was confusing...and then a minute or two later it made sense to me and I got it.

seems like a dangerous way to play to me.

[DaddyTorgo]

try to follow:

step 1: I see something about me being the duke and want to quash that idea before it picks up steam.

2. I was "quick-replying" as I read through the thread, which is why I was like "you're confusing".

3. I reach the end and go "aaah ha. Now I get why lathum played it the way he did."

[Lathum]

I am out in a few minutes until probably after the deadline.

I think our seer is making a mistake by not revealing today, I think the math favors taking that chance at this point. If they are offed tonight we are pretty screwed.

[DaddyTorgo]

seems like a dangerous way to play to me.

newest post on top you mean? maybe. But I find it nice for the rest of the forum, so eh. And I know that i'm a villager, so I just have to trust in my fellow villagers to follow my "stream of consciousness"

[Lathum]

try to follow:

step 1: I see something about me being the duke and want to quash that idea before it picks up steam.

2. I was "quick-replying" as I read through the thread, which is why I was like "you're confusing".

3. I reach the end and go "aaah ha. Now I get why lathum played it the way he did."

I understand what you mean, it wasn't hard to "follow":rolleyes:


my point is that it seems dangerous to reply to the last post in a thread before reading the preceding posts.

Why were you in such a rush to say you aren't the duke that you couldn't read the whole thread? Was it because your afraid my theory was going to get some legs?

[Lathum]

OK, I am out now. I think DT is a wolf and was afraid my theory would gain some steam. My vote stands unless the seer comes forward.

[KWhit]

9. KWhit - my impression is that he is not being decisive this game, more like trying to find where he can safely position himself

What the heck has there been to be decisive about? I always play very logically, and right now the only logical play is that you are slightly more likely to be good than bad. Otherwise, I just don't know about anyone.

Up until MV was killed, I was very decisive about him. At first, I was convinced he was a wolf due to his mistake of calling night actions "wolf skills." That just sounded 100% like a rookie wolf screw up. Hell, I was convinced that he was a wolf....

Until I became convinced that he was the seer. I read post after post from him that made it seem totally obvious. I didn't want to make much of what I thought for obvious reasons, but I was totally convinced. Of course I was wrong, since he turned out to be a normal villager. :)

So I've kind of been thrown a bit in my thoughts this game - and there isn't a whole lot of evidence to grab ahold of yet. You should know that I don't like to accuse until I feel pretty sure about something. Right now I'm not sure of anything. That's where my indecision comes in.

[DaddyTorgo]

no. Cuz I didn't want people placing votes they wouldn't be around to change.


I find lathum's play today very interesting. Let me recap

1. Vote DT.
2. DT is the only player I trust.
3. My vote is staying on DT.
4. Now I think DT is a wolf if he's not the duke based on nothing (he's said that he understood what i was saying and it wasn't hard to follow). His reason for thinking I'm a wolf: I wanted to make it clear ASAP that I wasn't the duke.

Does this strike anyone else as weird?

[Passacaglia]

no. Cuz I didn't want people placing votes they wouldn't be around to change.


I find lathum's play today very interesting. Let me recap

1. Vote DT.
2. DT is the only player I trust.
3. My vote is staying on DT.
4. Now I think DT is a wolf if he's not the duke based on nothing (he's said that he understood what i was saying and it wasn't hard to follow). His reason for thinking I'm a wolf: I wanted to make it clear ASAP that I wasn't the duke.

Does this strike anyone else as weird?

It does. Man, I'm confused.

[KWhit]

no. Cuz I didn't want people placing votes they wouldn't be around to change.


I find lathum's play today very interesting. Let me recap

1. Vote DT.
2. DT is the only player I trust.
3. My vote is staying on DT.
4. Now I think DT is a wolf if he's not the duke based on nothing (he's said that he understood what i was saying and it wasn't hard to follow). His reason for thinking I'm a wolf: I wanted to make it clear ASAP that I wasn't the duke.

Does this strike anyone else as weird?

It's a very strange play by Lathum, but I kind of get what he was doing.

He wants you dead. He voted you. Nobody really followed along, so he decided to try a different tactic: "Hey, everybody, vote for DT because he's the duke and we'll start a COT." But make no mistake, that was just a ploy and he still wanted you dead. I pointed out a better idea (one that wouldn't cause us to lose a lynch tonight) and then you come out and say you aren't the duke. So he backtracks again and says "Just kidding, I really do think he's a wolf, so you all need to vote for him."

So he has just tried 3 different tactics to get people to vote for you. That means that he either is a wolf and is desperate to get you killed (perhaps he thinks you're the seer), or he's a villager who has a really good idea that you are a wolf.

Either way, it's very interesting stuff.

[hoopsguy]

What the heck has there been to be decisive about? I always play very logically, and right now the only logical play is that you are slightly more likely to be good than bad. Otherwise, I just don't know about anyone.

Up until MV was killed, I was very decisive about him. At first, I was convinced he was a wolf due to his mistake of calling night actions "wolf skills." That just sounded 100% like a rookie wolf screw up. Hell, I was convinced that he was a wolf....

Until I became convinced that he was the seer. I read post after post from him that made it seem totally obvious. I didn't want to make much of what I thought for obvious reasons, but I was totally convinced. Of course I was wrong, since he turned out to be a normal villager. :)

So I've kind of been thrown a bit in my thoughts this game - and there isn't a whole lot of evidence to grab ahold of yet. You should know that I don't like to accuse until I feel pretty sure about something. Right now I'm not sure of anything. That's where my indecision comes in.

KWhit, it is hard making a good case for a skilled player as a wolf because as a skilled player they try to play the same way all the time. When I've played with you in the past you have been a guy that quickly gathers momentum - you get your bearings without being too distracted by the white noise and make consistently good decisions. The fact that we are midway through Day 3 and you don't feel like you have any feel gives me some concern.

Is it a fair argument? Hmmm, guess that depends on your perspective. I'm in an end-justifies-the-means sort of mood right now, given our slow start in this game.

The problem that sometimes arises when publishing these lists is that villagers take it personally when you list them as suspicious. If this is the case for you, I would urge you to consider the others on the list and help us make better collective decisions. If you are a wolf, I would appreciate it if you would 'fess up right about now.

[KWhit]

The problem that sometimes arises when publishing these lists is that villagers take it personally when you list them as suspicious.

I don't take any of it personally. Just explaining where I am right now in this game.

I will say that the Lathum / DT play is very interesting and I'm gaining some insight there, but have to run for a bit. Will post more later.

[DaddyTorgo]

the lathum/me interplay is interesting.

1. I'm a villager
2. If lathum was villager+seer he'd have no reason to gun for me thinking I was a wolf, he could scan me first
3. If lathum is just villager then he could think I was a wolf
4. if lathum was a wolf then he could be pushing for the village to lynch me because he knows i'm a villager and he could suspect I am some form of special character or not. Presumably he doesn't think i'm duke/seer but he may think i'm bg/scout. Either way, if he can be in a defensibile position like he at least seems to think he is, it's likely not a bad play, especially as i've already drawn heat from others in the game.

[hoopsguy]

Here is what I show for votes, as of Post #771:
Hoops - Purdue (636)
Torgo - Lathum (658), Pass (667)
Pass - Hoops (743)
Path - JE (746), Torgo (749)

Am I missing anyone? That would leave four non-votes at the moment.

[path12]

Distrust:
8. Path - seems to be caught up in role-playing more than analysis up to this point.

Jack Parkman does not agree. Jack Parkman has had plenty of things to say about this game. It is not Jack Parkman's fault if people are so distracted by the sheer magnificence of Jack Parkman to see what Jack Parkman may be actually saying.

Jack Parkman is ready to step it up at any time, for the record. The rest of you (Jack Parkman likes to think of you as his 'assistants') have done a fair job (Jack Parkman gives a special shout out to Pedro here) of getting us through the first two games. Jack Parkman can carry you for two more.

Jack Parkman is not one to idly speculate. Jack Parkman is a man of action, and Jack Parkman is watching everything that goes on carefully. When the time is right, Jack Parkman will give not an opinion, but a statement of fact.

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE PATH12

VOTE LATHUM

reserve the right to move for self-preservation obviously

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE PATH12

VOTE LATHUM

reserve the right to move for self-preservation obviously

So the option you think is most likely is that he's a wolf out to get you?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Why were you in such a rush to say you aren't the duke that you couldn't read the whole thread? Was it because your afraid my theory was going to get some legs?

If someone was pushing you as the duke and saying, "Hey, it's okay to vote for Lathum because he's the duke" wouldn't you want to squash that as soon as possible if you weren't the duke?

[DaddyTorgo]

well it's either that or I vote for you pass. I presume that's not your first choice?

[DaddyTorgo]

just don't feel like a path vote is the right place to go at this point, with the info that we have

[path12]

If Lathum thought DT was the duke, Jack Parkman can see why he voted for him from the standpoint of DT duking the lynch and proving himself good.

But Jack Parkman also sees that DT apparently would have no idea who was good or not (besides Jack Parkman), and therefore would have to pretty much just shoot in the dark.

Jack Parkman believes that is a very poor reason to vote for someone, and is not thrilled with Lathum at the moment. But there are others Jack Parkman is keeping his eye on for now. Although Jack Parkman has an incredible memory, he is going to check through some back posts.

[DaddyTorgo]

If Lathum thought DT was the duke, Jack Parkman can see why he voted for him from the standpoint of DT duking the lynch and proving himself good.

But Jack Parkman also sees that DT apparently would have no idea who was good or not (besides Jack Parkman), and therefore would have to pretty much just shoot in the dark.

Jack Parkman believes that is a very poor reason to vote for someone, and is not thrilled with Lathum at the moment. But there are others Jack Parkman is keeping his eye on for now. Although Jack Parkman has an incredible memory, he is going to check through some back posts.

how does Jack Parkman do with the ladies?

[KWhit]

Lathum's play means one of two things in my opinion. I'm betting it means he's a wolf.

VOTE LATHUM

[Passacaglia]

well it's either that or I vote for you pass. I presume that's not your first choice?

I only ask because I'm looking for reasons to remove me vote from you. No need to be threatening. The reason I ask is because, if you're a villager, then based on yesterday I would think you might be more inclined to view Lathum as a misguided villager. Just seems odd that you went the other way on this one.

[KWhit]

Hoops - Purdue (636)
Torgo - Lathum (658), Pass (667)
Pass - Hoops (743)
Path - JE (746)
Lathum - DaddyTorgo (774), KWhit (781)

[Gonzo]

Lathum is not a wolf. Do you seriously think he'd be this aggressive if he was? Hoopsguy is talking about KWhit trying to play differently, and now it seems like he's trying to start a bandwagon.

VOTE KWHIT

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE LATHUM

no, I do think you are right pass. Just not sure who the other candidates are at this point, and I have to be worried cuz i'm in the lead.

[path12]

how does Jack Parkman do with the ladies?

Supermodels are afraid they are not in Jack Parkman's league.

[PurdueBrad]

I haven't seen much talk about this but I'll use my second step it up skill tonight to see if we can get ahead of those Yanks.

[path12]

Jack Parkman wishes to note that two people have supported each other on two different ideas today: that the seer should reveal themself on day 3, and that a vote for someone was really a way to find out if they had a role or not.

Jack Parkman is likely going to vote for one of them today.

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE LATHUM

no, I do think you are right pass. Just not sure who the other candidates are at this point, and I have to be worried cuz i'm in the lead.

That's cool. As long as you're being honest about that.

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO

[path12]

Lathum is not a wolf. Do you seriously think he'd be this aggressive if he was?


Yes.

[Passacaglia]

Jack Parkman wishes to note that two people have supported each other on two different ideas today: that the seer should reveal themself on day 3, and that a vote for someone was really a way to find out if they had a role or not.

Jack Parkman is likely going to vote for one of them today.

That's a good point. Lathum and...JE? I seem to remember him agreeing to a seer reveal...did he also support voting for someone to find out if he had a role?

[KWhit]

Lathum is not a wolf. Do you seriously think he'd be this aggressive if he was? Hoopsguy is talking about KWhit trying to play differently, and now it seems like he's trying to start a bandwagon.

VOTE KWHIT


Bandwagon? I do not think that word means what you think it means. 2 votes does not a bandwagon make.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

That's a good point. Lathum and...JE? I seem to remember him agreeing to a seer reveal...did he also support voting for someone to find out if he had a role?

I think this is the at least the fourth time you've tried to turn the spotlight on me. Why?

[Passacaglia]

I think this is the at least the fourth time you've tried to turn the spotlight on me. Why?

The other at least three times, it was because I thought you were under the radar. This last time, it was because I thought you might have been the other person (besides Lathum) that path was talking about, and figured I'd just ask him rather than go back and find it myself.

[Passacaglia]

For the record, I don't remember you saying anything about voting for someone to get them to reveal a role, JE. I feel like that might have been having to do with MikeVic. Who was that -- KWhit? Did he also call for a seer reveal?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

The other at least three times, it was because I thought you were under the radar. This last time, it was because I thought you might have been the other person (besides Lathum) that path was talking about, and figured I'd just ask him rather than go back and find it myself.

I agreed that the seer should come forward (still do), but I didn't agree with the voting for DT because he could possibly be the duke. To me, that's a weak reason to vote for someone.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, it looks like the only one I see besides JE who said a seer reveal would be a good idea today is hoops.

[path12]

Jack Parkman believes strongly that a seer should be given more than two chances to find a wolf before revealing. Encouraging the idea is either insane or wolfish, and although everyone in this clubhouse is beneath Jack Parkman he does not believe any of you are insane.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Jack Parkman believes strongly that a seer should be given more than two chances to find a wolf before revealing. Encouraging the idea is either insane or wolfish, and although everyone in this clubhouse is beneath Jack Parkman he does not believe any of you are insane.

If there were more of us left I might agree with you, but with only ten of us around and two of those wolves, we need some info or we're screwed.

[path12]

If there were more of us left I might agree with you, but with only ten of us around and two of those wolves, we need some info or we're screwed.

It's 8-2 right now. Worst case it is 6-2 after a night kill tonight. Very worst case is 4-2 after two days and nights. Jack Parkman would have no problem with any reveal then.

But Jack Parkman is convinced that encouraging the idea when it is 8-2 and we have won two games is not in the best interest of the team.

[path12]

Dola, Jack Parkman thinks it's such a bad idea that he will:

VOTE LATHUM

Who should know better.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

It's 8-2 right now. Worst case it is 6-2 after a night kill tonight. Very worst case is 4-2 after two days and nights. Jack Parkman would have no problem with any reveal then.

But Jack Parkman is convinced that encouraging the idea when it is 8-2 and we have won two games is not in the best interest of the team.

The wolves have a 1 in 8 shot of hitting the seer tonight. If he goes without us learning anything from his scans, do you really think we have a shot at winning?

And why would the seer want to wait two more days to reveal? The seer needs to reveal as soon as possible before it's too late.

[path12]

The wolves have a 1 in 8 shot of hitting the seer tonight. If he goes without us learning anything from his scans, do you really think we have a shot at winning?

And why would the seer want to wait two more days to reveal? The seer needs to reveal as soon as possible before it's too late.

Because you want to give the seer the chance to find a wolf. A 1 in 8 shot is 12.5%. Assuming that at least one of his prior scans are still alive (a fair assumption), he's got a 25% chance of hitting a wolf (2 in 8). Jack Parkman will take those odds every time.

Calling on a reveal now is a panicky move if you are a villager. And you've never struck Jack Parkman as a panicky person.

[path12]

And why would the seer want to wait two more days to reveal? The seer needs to reveal as soon as possible before it's too late.

Jack Parkman can't help but mentally add "so we can kill him" to the end of this sentence.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Because you want to give the seer the chance to find a wolf. A 1 in 8 shot is 12.5%. Assuming that at least one of his prior scans are still alive (a fair assumption), he's got a 25% chance of hitting a wolf (2 in 8). Jack Parkman will take those odds every time.

Calling on a reveal now is a panicky move if you are a villager. And you've never struck Jack Parkman as a panicky person.

What would prevent the seer from scanning tonight? From what I can tell, the BG is still around and can protect the seer, so you still get the 25% shot at nailing a wolf, plus you get a CoT.

[path12]

What would prevent the seer from scanning tonight? From what I can tell, the BG is still around and can protect the seer, so you still get the 25% shot at nailing a wolf, plus you get a CoT.

Jack Parkman cannot believe you are arguing this point. There is little risk and much more benefit to letting the seer do their job. The BG will likely be around tomorrow also -- then he could get in two views and a larger CoT.

[Barkeep49]

I think Pass's play has been quite different, now that it's been pointed out, this game compared to others. I think I'll go with him for now.

Vote Pass

[Passacaglia]

I think Pass's play has been quite different, now that it's been pointed out, this game compared to others. I think I'll go with him for now.

Vote Pass

I'm honestly interested to hear how so.

[path12]

Jack Parkman is stepping out to visit a children's hospital, because Jack Parkman believes in kids. But he hopes there are no droolers this time. Jack Parkman hates the droolers.

[hoopsguy]

Pedro Cerrano didn't realize there are people who don't believe in kids. They are everywhere, you can't go to the ballpark without seeing them? How is this even up for debate???

[hoopsguy]

Vote count, as of Post #810.

Pass - Hoops (743), Barkeep (807)
Lathum - KWhit (781), Path (801)
Hoops - Purdue (636)
Torgo - Lathum (658)
Path - JE (746)
KWhit - Gonzo (784)

[hoopsguy]

OK, do we absolutely, positively know that there are two wolves in this game? I'm going back to look at the rules on this - we know there are at least two wolves, as they have been named (owner and GM). But does two starting wolves in a game of 14, with four good guy roles sound like a well-balanced game? With that information, I would expect three wolves.

Three wolves vs two wolves makes for a completely different discussion on the seer reveal strategy.

[Barkeep49]

I would agree three wolves is more likely.

[hoopsguy]

Not all are on your side. Phelps and Donovan are around to cause trouble, and you have seen signs not everyone in the clubhouse is giving their all. Is there one amongst you whom has succumbed to a bribe? Or is someone half assing it in expectation of a sweetheart deal from Phelps in the offseason?


If Phelps and her cronies get as many in their numbers as team members left playing, you will fail to catch the Yankees--and that's a certainty.


Roles and allegiance are not related to the character names. The only characters that are absolutely allied one way are Rachel Phelps and Charlie Donovan, the owner and GM, and they will be wolves.


Nothing that I found stating two wolves, although this has been widely (and I believe erroneously) assumed.

[hoopsguy]

If there are in fact three wolves out there, then just about everyone out there has a special role.

Also, re-reading the rules seems to indicate the Duke can block any lynch, not just save himself.

[Passacaglia]

Not much is happening, so it's time to put in a self-preservation vote.

VOTE LATHUM

[hoopsguy]

I have heard Purdue indicate that he will step it up tonight as well. I would like to see Gonzo step it up, as I don't believe he has done so yet and it would be nice to know if people can jump me in the "key player" stuff so we can look to them to help win a future game.

After that, if there is anyone else who has not yet stepped it up I would like to see them give it a shot tonight as well.

[DaddyTorgo]

hey all. My internet's been a bit fluky here the last hour. Taking a full minute to load the forum and all

[DaddyTorgo]

okay. We're down to like ~ 35 seconds to load.

damm...i still have no idea who to vote for.

[hoopsguy]

Maybe this will help, DT. I'm not necessariy expecting all results are locked in, but this is where we are with a little over 30 to go.

Lathum - KWhit (781), Path (801), Pass (816)
Pass - Hoops (743), Barkeep (807)
Hoops - Purdue (636)
Torgo - Lathum (658)
Path - JE (746)
KWhit - Gonzo (784)

[Barkeep49]

If there are in fact three wolves out there, then just about everyone out there has a special role.

Also, re-reading the rules seems to indicate the Duke can block any lynch, not just save himself.
These roles will be handed out at random, and can end on any player in the game.
Do we take this to mean that it's possible that a wolf has one of the roles? This could be the balancing mechanism for only 2 wolves, as the source material would only suggest two bad guys.

[DaddyTorgo]

my internet is sucking ass.

[hoopsguy]

Had not considered that, BK. Perhaps Chief Rum will answer that question for us?

It would seem especially odd to have a seer/BG wolf ...

[hoopsguy]

This has been a strange day. I definitely expected more overall tension/suspense than we have seen over the last 6-8 hours.

[Passacaglia]

Do we take this to mean that it's possible that a wolf has one of the roles? This could be the balancing mechanism for only 2 wolves, as the source material would only suggest two bad guys.

That's gotta be a typo, or just not thought out. I can't imagine that whether or not the seer is a wolf or villager would be left to chance.

[Passacaglia]

This has been a strange day. I definitely expected more overall tension/suspense than we have seen over the last 6-8 hours.

Try sitting in my seat.

[Lathum]

I just got home. Is there anything dire I need to be aware of?

[hoopsguy]

You would probably have a vested interest in Post #820 (voting recap).

[Passacaglia]

Lathum, you'll probably want to vote for me.

Hoops and Barkeep -- are you still sure you trust Lathum, the one wanting the seer to reveal, over me, the one NOT wanting the seer to reveal?

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I don't see that as a huge concern - I stated that I was fine with the seer revealing today, especially if he could reveal three people.

I'm mildly concerned about the fact that people have continued to assume there are only two wolves in attacking the premise.

[hoopsguy]

Reveal 3 = including himself, as he has only gotten two views.

[Passacaglia]

Gonzo and path are good.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Are you claiming to be the seer now?

[hoopsguy]

Not a lot of time for people to dispute here.

Pass, where would you like to see the vote here. My assertion earlier was that if both you and KWhit are good then I suck at this game. So I would probably take a shot there if I'm moving.

[Chief Rum]

Had not considered that, BK. Perhaps Chief Rum will answer that question for us?

It would seem especially odd to have a seer/BG wolf ...

I'm not going to spell anything outright, but this is a standard WW game underneath the hood.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, can you cite someplace where you left hints about you as seer or about either of those two being good?

[Passacaglia]

I really feel like I need you to vote Lathum to keep me alive.

[Lathum]

gah

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO
VOTE PASS

[Lathum]

IF I AM LYNCHED LOOK TO THE PEOPLE WHO WAITED UNTIL AFTER I ANNOUNCED I WAS LEAVING TO JUMP ON ME.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, can you cite someplace where you left hints about you as seer or about either of those two being good?

No. I didn't want to drop hints -- that's a dangerous game. And neither of them were in real danger. You will notice, though, that I was after JE more than Gonzo, when talking about quiet people.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

UNVOTE PATH
VOTE PASSACAGLIA

If you really are the seer, you should have come out much earlier than this.

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, JE, BK - I take it none of you guys are calling BS on the seer reveal here?

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE PATH
VOTE PASSACAGLIA

If you really are the seer, you should have come out much earlier than this.

That seems wolfish.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

No. I didn't want to drop hints -- that's a dangerous game. And neither of them were in real danger. You will notice, though, that I was after JE more than Gonzo, when talking about quiet people.

Are you saying you scanned me and I came up a wolf? Now I know you're lying.

[Gonzo]

While I think KWhit's acting wolfish, I also think that Lathum's most probably a villager and it would therefore be a bad idea to lynch him. I'm voting Pass.

UNVOTE KWHIT
VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[hoopsguy]

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I'll move it if someone wakes up and reveals some juicy night actions. Also, JE and Gonzo still worry me a little.

I'm calling BS - vote stays for now unless you explain awfully quickly how you were protecting Gonzo here by listing him in this post from 6AM.

[Passacaglia]

I've got 4, Lathum has 3. Tiebreak kills me. Hoops -- I need you to vote lathum.

[Passacaglia]

Are you saying you scanned me and I came up a wolf? Now I know you're lying.

Two scans. Gonzo and path. It's not about you.

[hoopsguy]

Better respond to my post awfully quickly, then.

[hoopsguy]

I can't save you anyway - there are five votes on you now and you lose the tie-break.

[Lathum]

I call desperation on Pass, he would have revealed earlier...

[Passacaglia]

eh, you can't save me at this point anyway -- where the hell did you all come from anyway? :P

[Chief Rum]

Deadline.

Tabulating votes now.

[Passacaglia]

I call desperation on Pass, he would have revealed earlier...

Blaze of glory? I actually figured I would be okay, as long as you didn't show up!:p

[Lathum]

Pass if you are the seer better tell us who you definantly scanned before you get killed

[Gonzo]

I call desperation on Pass, he would have revealed earlier...

Me too...

[DaddyTorgo]

dammit. my net connection literally exploded. I couldn't get on at all there from like 9:50 to just now

[hoopsguy]

Interesting - the bottom three on my earlier trust list all showed up on Lathum today.

Pass - Hoops (743), Barkeep (807), Lathum (838), JE (841), Gonzo (845)
Lathum - KWhit (781), Path (801), Pass (816)
Hoops - Purdue (636)

[Lathum]

dammit. my net connection literally exploded. I couldn't get on at all there from like 9:50 to just now

how convienient.

[hoopsguy]

Oh crap. I forgot to put the step-it-up in.

[Gonzo]

Oh crap. I forgot to put the step-it-up in.

how convienient.

[hoopsguy]

Sorry in advance for being a dumbass - I should have done that first thing this morning.

[DaddyTorgo]

looks like maybe we hopefully got one.

Sorry I had to unplug the cable modem+the router in order to resestablish my connection

[DaddyTorgo]

how convienient.

I know I won't likely be believed, but it's true. stupid wifi.

and I did post earlier about how it was taking me 2 minutes to load the thread.

Ya know what though, lynch me if you all want. I have enough other crap on my mind that it won't really break my heart, although you'll just be lynching a villager.

I don't miss votes. It's not something I do. Shit...i voted from my friend's bachelor party, and his wedding, and caught 2 wolves that weekend.

for me to miss a vote pretty much hasta be a massive technical fuckup.

[hoopsguy]

I'm going to guess that our manager doesn't suck when it comes to winning games. And if Pass was a wolf then that is one less person to potentially sabotage results.

[DaddyTorgo]

if pass was a wolf then we're all of a sudden sitting good

[Chief Rum]

My Day Three vote count:

Passacaglia (5)-- hoopsguy (743), Barkeep49 (807), Lathum (838), Jonathan Ezarik (841), Gonzo (845)
Lathum (3)-- KWhit (781), path12 (801), Passacaglia (816)
Hoopsguy (1)-- PurdueBrad (636)

Passacaglia is today's lynch victim. Writeup coming shortly.

[Lathum]

I know I won't likely be believed, but it's true. stupid wifi.

and I did post earlier about how it was taking me 2 minutes to load the thread.

Ya know what though, lynch me if you all want. I have enough other crap on my mind that it won't really break my heart, although you'll just be lynching a villager.

I don't miss votes. It's not something I do. Shit...i voted from my friend's bachelor party, and his wedding, and caught 2 wolves that weekend.

for me to miss a vote pretty much hasta be a massive technical fuckup.


EVERYONE VISIT THIS LINK!!!!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1516686&postcount=1641

[Lathum]

In case I die in the night phase it's pretty telling IMO

[Chief Rum]

The accusations fly early, but there is a lack of consensus as the new day dawns. At one point, six candidates all have a vote--one vote--and no one more than that. Different members of the team argue their candidates and try to swing others to their way of thinking.

Lathum gets some attention as game time draws near, but not everyone is convinced he is one of the owner's flunkies. The alternative seems to be Passacaglia.

With minutes dwindling and fearing his doom, Pass gets up before the team and admits he is the seer, the one who knows all. He fears if he doesn't reveal himself, he may be killed. But he doesn't get the reaction he expects. Suspicion is running high in the Tribe dugout. "Why didn't you come out sooner?" some say. "Who are the wolves?" say others.

But they mostly smell something amiss. And they turn on Passacaglia, tossing their votes in his face. The manager comes forward to Pass and says, "Ricky, I think the nice men with badges outside the stadium want to have a chat with you."

The vote is final. Did the team remove an evil wolf. Or its seer--and it's best pitcher?...

[hoopsguy]

Tease.

[Lathum]

well!!!!

[Chief Rum]

And the truth becomes clear as Pass goes blustery and mean. He squints at the team and yells at them, "You're all a bunch of losers. I have assembled the worst pack of losers in baseball. If this league had any sack in it, you all would be washing the jocks of real talents at AA clubs. Instead, they fall apart, and you step into the void. This stops nothing. I am not Rick "Wild Thing" Vaughan. I am Charlie Donovan, your GM. And while you can stop me from playing and kick me out of this clubhouse, it doesn't change the fact you're all losers!"

Donovan sneers at the team one last time before stalking off. Security escort him off of the premises.

YOU HAVE CAUGHT A WOLF! CHARLIE DONOVAN IS NO LONGER IN THE GAME!!!

NIGHT ACTIONS COMING.

[Chief Rum]

Tease.

:p :D

[Lathum]

Sweet.

I think DT is the other one.

everyone reference post 868

[Gonzo]

Score!

And DaddyTorgo...that link is such a giveaway.

[hoopsguy]

Three words - California penal league.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Excellent result. Now, I do hope that the real seer makes it through the night and reveals himself tomorrow.

[DaddyTorgo]

giveaway to what?

i'm not a wolf

[PurdueBrad]

Congrats guys and my apologies to Hoops I guess.

[Lathum]

giveaway to what?

i'm not a wolf

well I think it's ironic that you claim to never miss a vote, always internet problems.... then I find PROOF you have done exactly what you have claimed to never do. And as a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

Thanks, Brad.

So, what have we learned from today? I think that the heat gets turned up on the people who did not vote for Pass, given the close race.

[Gonzo]

giveaway to what?

i'm not a wolf

So uhh

i specifically remember a time as a wolf where i used the excuse of "laggy internet" to hide the fact that i wanted to keep a vote on a villager instead of moving it...submitted so that it showed up a minute after deadline and then bitched and moaned about the internet messing up my vote.

Isn't a giveaway, despite that being the very same tactic you used just a minute ago?

[DaddyTorgo]

that was talking about a laggy internet and submitting the vote right after deadline, not completely missing the vote.

but I guess we can afford to lynch me now, so if it helps, vote me off.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Sweet.

I think DT is the other one.

everyone reference post 868

I don't necessarily believe DT is a wolf just because of what he's done in the past. In that instance that he mentions, it was to keep a vote on a villager. This time, he didn't even get a vote in. If he was a wolf without internet problems, he could have cast a vote at the very end against Pass when it was obvious that he was going down.

[hoopsguy]

Or to try and save him with about five minutes to go, when it wasn't as obvious that Pass was going down.

I find the quoted post to be a very funny example of karma, but not a smoking gun.

[Gonzo]

If he was a wolf without internet problems, he could have cast a vote at the very end against Pass when it was obvious that he was going down.

But it would have been a giveaway if he had switched to Pass just before the deadline and he either was lynched and revealed to be a wolf, or Lathum was lynched and he was a villager.

[Barkeep49]

The thing that was off for me with Pass was that he wasn't aggressive enough. I've come to expect him to be very aggressive as a villager and was surprised when he wasn't that way this game.

I'm curious about what people think we should do, if anything, with the list he provided.

[DaddyTorgo]

thanks hoops and JE

[Lathum]

I'm curious about what people think we should do, if anything, with the list he provided.

nothing, I think he just picked people who were online at the time in hopes they would switch.


in fact I am more likely to trust the 2 he listed since he would want 2 villages who may switch their votes

[Jonathan Ezarik]

But it would have been a giveaway if he had switched to Pass just before the deadline and he either was lynched and revealed to be a wolf, or Lathum was lynched and he was a villager.

I'm confused. If DT is a wolf, he knows that Pass was also a wolf. Since he did not have a vote placed at that time, he could have put one on Pass at the end when it was clear he was going down. And let's not forget that you switched your vote to Pass there at the end as well.

[Lathum]

I don't necessarily believe DT is a wolf just because of what he's done in the past. In that instance that he mentions, it was to keep a vote on a villager. This time, he didn't even get a vote in. If he was a wolf without internet problems, he could have cast a vote at the very end against Pass when it was obvious that he was going down.

true but a late vote on Path looks like a pile on. It would be eaiser to claim he had a bad connection.

[Lathum]

true but a late vote on Path looks like a pile on. It would be eaiser to claim he had a bad connection.

should read pass, not path

[Jonathan Ezarik]

true but a late vote on Path looks like a pile on. It would be eaiser to claim he had a bad connection.

Path or Pass?

[Gonzo]

Well I'm dead. See you all.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Eh?

[Lathum]

Well I'm dead. See you all.

huh?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

nothing, I think he just picked people who were online at the time in hopes they would switch.


in fact I am more likely to trust the 2 he listed since he would want 2 villages who may switch their votes

Was path around at the deadline? I know Gonzo was, but I don't remember seeing path.

[hoopsguy]

I don't think he was.

[Lathum]

Was path around at the deadline? I know Gonzo was, but I don't remember seeing path.

not sure but I am inclined to think it was random

[Chief Rum]

Harry Doyle: (Hayes takes his lead off first base) We don't know where Hayes played last year, but I'm sure he did a hell of a job.

Spirits are high as you march onto the field, knowing one less wolf is on your back. And with a win and a Yankee loss, you can move into first!

The Orioles are trying to avoid the sweep and are sending their best fireballer out there tonight. Try as you might, you can't seem to solve him. It doesn't help that you had to rush up a minor leaguer to pitch for Vaughan, since it was his turn tonight.

The kid turns in a decent performance, but you're down 3-0 going into the bottom of the eighth. Cerrano has been the man of late, but he hasn't been able to muster a powerful hit tonight yet, going one for three so far with a single and two strikeouts. He ended the last inning with his second punch out.

No, today's hero will have to be struttin' Jack Parkman. The fireballer, trying to get one more inning out of his arm, busts Parkman inside early on after walking Tomlinson. "That just gets Parkman mad. And no one wants to get Parkman mad", Parkman tells anyone who will listen, which is no one.

Too bad; they shoulda. The pitcher hangs a curve in Parkman's wheelhouse and the catcher drills a powerful shot over the left-center wall! Parkman stands there admiring the flying ball, then he glares at the mound as he takes a step toward first, then he tauntingly flips his bat back toward the on deck circle to trot slowly around the bases. And the Indians are within one!

After the next three hitters end up in the dirt and three pitchers are ejected, a reliever gets the final four outs, and Parkman's heroics go for naught. The Tribe have lost, 3-2!

But so have the Yankees. They get drilled in Detroit to wrap that series. You're all still tied at the top!

DAY FOUR HAS NOW BEGUN. THE DEADLINE IS 10 P.M. EST/7 P.M. PDT.

Please note, tomorrow is a regular schedule but should it be necessary, we have an extended schedule for the weekend. Please review Post #2 for times.

[Lathum]

umm, so who was night killed?

[hoopsguy]

No updates in Post #3 - of course, Pass is not listed either.

[Gonzo]

umm, so who was night killed?

Ditto

[Lathum]

perhaps a succesfull block, could we be that lucky?


Chief?

[DaddyTorgo]

good question. Night-kill? does one of the remaining wolves wanna fill us in?

[Jonathan Ezarik]

I wonder if the wolves have a rotating kill and tonight was Pass's.

[Chief Rum]

perhaps a succesfull block, could we be that lucky?


Chief?

You all have received all of the information you will receive from the GM until the next deadline.

[Lathum]

well I would hope there was some indication that the night actions have been processed

[Lathum]

and there it is.

Maybe DT couldn't get in his night action because of his " internet" issues

[Gonzo]

Alright then.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

For the reasons stated above, re the "when I'm a wolf I blame internet connections for not voting" thing.

[Chief Rum]

No updates in Post #3 - of course, Pass is not listed either.

Post #3 is updated now.

[Lathum]

So I guess we can assume with 9 of us left the seer can clear 3 plus himself which equals 4 and leaves us with 5 unknowns. The BG can protect and the seer can then clear another.

I also think the Duke should come forward so we can lynch him tomorrow and avoid killing a good guy.

[Chief Rum]

well I would hope there was some indication that the night actions have been processed

FYI...when the nightly game results have been posted, and the next day is officially announced with deadline, all night actions have been processed and results taken care of and PMs sent.

So at that point, you can all assume that is all that will be forthcoming. Sorry if that was confusing anyone.

[Gonzo]

Phew. I thought I'd been killed that night.

Anyway, I'm the Seer. Night one I scanned Lathum (good, no role), night two was Barkeep (good, no role) and night three was Hoopsguy (wolf).

In summary, I found it interesting that once DaddyTorgo was caught out with his "faulty internet connection" play, Hoopsguy jumped to defend him along with Ezarik. This leads me to believe that Torgo is a wolf, along with Hoopsguy and possibly JE.

I'll probably be scanning Ezarik next night to confirm his suspected wolfiness, so long as the Bodyguard wasn't protecting me this night. If by some miracle I survive after that, I might try out KWhit or that Parkman fellow.

Anyway.

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO (for now)
VOTE HOOPSGUY

[Lathum]

nice, no reason to think he is lying at this point and I know I am good. Plus Gonzo has been dropping hints about me all game.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[Gonzo]

As I was just saying to Cronin, it's probably Sod's law that the bodyguard's protected me last night and stopped them killing. Oh well.

[Lathum]

At this point the duke needs to stay quiet since Hoops will likely be lynched tomorrow.

[Lathum]

dola- Gonzo will be targeted tomorrow night, I think after the night kill will be an optimal time for the duke to reveal

[DaddyTorgo]

gonzo...i'm a villager. feel free to scan me at any point to prove that to everyone.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

just a question: how do we explain hoops winning us 2 games?

[PurdueBrad]

I'll re-vote Hoops' way again (sorry again Hoops, although not nearly as sorry if you are wolf). DT, I think it was about trying to achieve optimal victory and not worrying about the minor.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[Lathum]

just a question: how do we explain hoops winning us 2 games?

have you been reading what I have been writting all along about hoops?

[Gonzo]

just a question: how do we explain hoops winning us 2 games?

Trying to gain the village's trust by helping us with something minor while they win the major victory.

Look at the Pass lynch and the whole play where Pass was saying "oh save me Hoops!" and Hoops the brave villager was having none of it. Fairly certain that was another ploy to gain our trust.

[Lathum]

Damn, I was onto hoops all game!!!

[Lathum]

Gonzo, I am assuming you were protected last night, but if not who will you be scanning tomorrow night

[Gonzo]

Gonzo, I am assuming you were protected last night, but if not who will you be scanning tomorrow night

JE. I'm feeling pretty good about DaddyTorgo being a wolf, so I wouldn't want to waste a scan on him.

[path12]

*sigh* Droolers at the hospital. Jack Parkman needs to have a talk with the Community Liasion. That was a new suit.

Catching up.

[path12]

Was path around at the deadline? I know Gonzo was, but I don't remember seeing path.

Jack Parkman was with a bunch of slobbering brats at the deadline.

[Lathum]

JE. I'm feeling pretty good about DaddyTorgo being a wolf, so I wouldn't want to waste a scan on him.

well it really is six of one hald dozen of the other.


Is it possible someone was converted last night?

[DaddyTorgo]

I have been reading, but I havn't been playing my best game. I've been distracted most the time.

[path12]

Jack Parkman has three things to say.

1) That Oriole pitcher didn't have shit.

2) Jack Parkman never believed in voodoo.

3) Where the hell is the clubhouse boy? I need someone to sign some autographs for me!

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Is it possible someone was converted last night?

I don't know if it's possible, but I am concerned with Gonzo saying that he was killed and then coming out and claiming to be the seer. What could he have received in a PM that would make him think that he'd been killed?

[hoopsguy]

You all have received all of the information you will receive from the GM until the next deadline.

Alright then.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

For the reasons stated above, re the "when I'm a wolf I blame internet connections for not voting" thing.

Phew. I thought I'd been killed that night.

Anyway, I'm the Seer. Night one I scanned Lathum (good, no role), night two was Barkeep (good, no role) and night three was Hoopsguy (wolf).

In summary, I found it interesting that once DaddyTorgo was caught out with his "faulty internet connection" play, Hoopsguy jumped to defend him along with Ezarik. This leads me to believe that Torgo is a wolf, along with Hoopsguy and possibly JE.

I'll probably be scanning Ezarik next night to confirm his suspected wolfiness, so long as the Bodyguard wasn't protecting me this night. If by some miracle I survive after that, I might try out KWhit or that Parkman fellow.

Anyway.

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO (for now)
VOTE HOOPSGUY

If you are the seer and you learned that I was a wolf, then why did you vote for Daddy Torgo first?

I'm not the seer, but seeing how most of the people remaining in the game have posted since your claim I'm doubting that the "real" seer is going to be coming out to rescue me here.

No night kill last night + bs seer reveal play here makes me believe that the seer was converted last night.

I don't know how any sane person could believe that I would have let Passacaglia eat it last night. Why would I have started the vote on him, left him in a one-vote position inside the final half hour, and then force his hand into a fake seer reveal? C'mon, if I was a wolf I would be willing to build trust but I wouldn't be willing to give away a fellow wolf when there was no reason to be in that situation.

Also, it is pretty convenient for the seer to be in a position to have only scanned people who are alive, including Lathum who has been in attack-dog mode about me and Day 4.

I'll start by voting for Gonzo now, who may have been the real seer at one point, but certainly isn't playing for the Indians at this point.

VOTE GONZO

[hoopsguy]

Additionally, I am the Scout. Which may explain some of my keen interest in the talent levels this game.

Night 1 - Celeval (Jake Taylor) was 2nd rated guy on the team
Night 2 - Barkeep (random scrub) was 14th rated guy on the team
Night 3 - Path12 (Jack Partman) was 4th rated guy on the team

Given that information, plus my own performances in games, I think it should be clear that I had every reason to believe that the talent levels were not random.

And I'm guessing no one will challenge me on being the scout because the wolves have already lost one of their number and fake revealed for another role. They can't have enough numbers to claim two roles to bury me, right?

Chief Rum stated that this is a standard werewolf game. Which I take to mean that our four good guy roles are all in play as good guys. If you accept that I'm the scout - and my posts over the last few days should be just littered with references on this talent discussion - then you factor in my play against Pass yesterday and the fact that I've won us games twice, then you can't possibly believe that I'm a wolf.

[Lathum]

I just don't see a reason why Gonzo would fake reveal. And if he did it would be worth it for the seer to reveal.

Plus he has been dropping hints about me since day 2 so I am inclined to believe him.

[Barkeep49]

I've also thought something was off with hoops and have said as much pretty consistently across the game. Since Gonzo is confirming a bias of mine I'll believe him :).

Vote hoopsguy

[path12]

Jack Parkman believes that if Gonzo was not the seer, the real one would step up to counter. That has not happened, so Jack Parkman believes Gonzo.

Besides, Jack Parkman sees one big flaw in your "scout" reveal. There is NO WAY that Jack Parkman could be rated just 4th on this team. Jack Parkman is this team.

[Barkeep49]

Also, just in case anyone is curious, apparently, as I think it's possible both hoops and Gonzo are telling the truth, I was scanned night 2 and got no PM to that effect either time.

[hoopsguy]

Path, if I'm not the real scout then the real scout would be able to step up and counter. I'm sorry that the information on you wasn't what you want to hear. However, I'm guessing that Pass would have ocme in 3rd, and that you are the best option left for step-it-ups after me that is left in the game.

I'll put my action out there again tonight, but if I'm lynched I won't get to use it. So I would suggest that you do the same and hopefully you are able to pull in a win this time around.

[hoopsguy]

I just don't see a reason why Gonzo would fake reveal. And if he did it would be worth it for the seer to reveal.

Plus he has been dropping hints about me since day 2 so I am inclined to believe him.

The fact that there hasn't been a counter leads me to believe that either Gonzo was the seer or that the seer was converted last night. Based on his believing he was dead, I'm guessing he was the actual seer and misread his conversion PM.

He came out voting for Daddy Torgo, because that is what he was going to do as a villager and he now knew that DT is a villager. However, a couple of PMs with his fellow wolf (hope it isn't wolves at this point) turned his action towards the fake reveal. They knew there wouldn't be a counter-reveal - I'm a good guy, I'm not going to fake reveal as seer to counter - because they already had the seer converted.

They then get rid of a player (me) who played a big role in landing a wolf (see my trust list, my vote for Pass, not moving it, calling out his lie on Gonzo, etc) and a guy who has won multiple games. The one time I haven't put in an action to win a game we lost.

I'm concerned that the wolves started out with three and got a conversion, because this move doesn't make a lot of sense to me if it isn't an end-game scenario. With nine remaining, we should have a 7-2 edge. But if it is 6-3, and moves to 4-3 with a bad lynch + night kill then maybe they have a brutal wolf? Some extra action? I don't think we can count on this being a poorly calculated action, so they have to feel like they have the numbers for a tradeoff.

[DaddyTorgo]

could the seer be converted though? that seems like it'd be a real nasty blow

[hoopsguy]

DaddyT, conversion rules change from game to game but there have been plenty that allow any person to be converted.

The seer conversion is the only thing that makes sense to me in terms of an unchallenged seer claim against me when I'm a villager.

[hoopsguy]

Think about it - if I was a wolf, I would counter-claim seer right away and take my chances in a posting matchup with Gonzo. Given his somewhat erratic availability during the day, I would be fine taking my chances with that scenario.

What I would not do is claim another role, opening up an opportunity for someone else to challenge me. But that is exactly what I've done, because I am the villager with that role (Scout). And, based on where things sit right now you guys will learn that the hard way tonight.

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE HOOPS

i'm not the tiebreaker vote or anything, so I feel okay doing that.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE GONZO

hoops makes sense with his posts, and it does make absolutely no sense for gonzo to vote for me after saying that hoops is a wolf. Smells a lot like some sort of endgame play "vote with me today on this person I havn't scanned and we can take care of the wolf I know tomorrow" only by that point we will have lost? or he'll get 2 kills out of his reveal at least.

I can also see gonzo as a potential conversion target...someone relatively new and not necessarily in the WW "Inner Circle," with somewhat erratic posts.

[Barkeep49]

It does seem strange that Gonzo came out voting for soemone who was not a wolf. Do the time stamps match up with when CR likely sent out the PMs?

On the other hand, why would Gonzo be willing to sacrafice himself in a 1-1 at this point? If he's a converted seer why not just clear two villagers and a wolf and completely mess up the COT? Sure it would eventually come back to bite him but then the villagers would have to figure out who was a real wolf and who was a real villager and there would be enough confusion that the wolves would likely win.

[hoopsguy]

In summary, I found it interesting that once DaddyTorgo was caught out with his "faulty internet connection" play, Hoopsguy jumped to defend him along with Ezarik. This leads me to believe that Torgo is a wolf, along with Hoopsguy and possibly JE.

This is BS. The whole "DT faulty internet" thing went down after the deadline, which would mean that he could not have submitted a scan for me because of this. He would have had to wait for today. However, after voting initially for DT, after Rum has confirmed all PMs have been sent, he then changes his vote to me, the guy he supposedly scanned on Day 3.

It doesn't add up at all. If you want to lynch me for being alive on Day 4 in a game that is your choice, but if you are paying any attention to my play and the facts around Gonzo's seer reveal then you would realize that he is a wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

sounds solid to me hoops. Good chance that is indeed the case. And it does explain your ridiculous fascination with games and rankings and all that stuff.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, I would prefer that someone else do the timeline post - starting with the fake reveal by Pass, up to the point where Gonzo comes after me - to remove the idea that I'm shaping the events in my favor. If no one else does, I'll put it out there but I'm clearly biased as the accused party.

[DaddyTorgo]

and ftr...i wasn't "caught out" with my faulty internet connection thing, because it's the truth. My wifi has been being very flakey, every so often I have to go upstairs and unplug the cable modem and router and reconnect. Unfortunately I usually don't realize that for like 10 minutes, I just assume I got kicked off the net for another reason.

lathum+gonzo for wolves? or do we thik lathum is good and is just pushing so hard for me still because he's a misguided villager?

[hoopsguy]

Celeval, did you get your "step it up" in before the deadline?

This post comes in between the time that I got my Day 1 news on Celeval - as the #2 guy in the rankings - and the posting of the final events. I'm putting this out there as one post that indicates that I was the Scout.

Also, I'm assuming that other people who have roles in this game received their PMs in between the lynch post and the ballgame post. I don't know if this proves anything, other than that it should resonate with those who have a role. I'm not asking anyone out there to reveal if they have a role or not in support, just take this fact and incorporate it into your thought process when making a decision if I'm lying.

[hoopsguy]

Dola - post is #355, for those who want to go back and look at the timeline.

[KWhit]

This is BS. The whole "DT faulty internet" thing went down after the deadline, which would mean that he could not have submitted a scan for me because of this. He would have had to wait for today. However, after voting initially for DT, after Rum has confirmed all PMs have been sent, he then changes his vote to me, the guy he supposedly scanned on Day 3.

It doesn't add up at all. If you want to lynch me for being alive on Day 4 in a game that is your choice, but if you are paying any attention to my play and the facts around Gonzo's seer reveal then you would realize that he is a wolf.

Wow. Lots of stuff going on!

Who to believe? Gonzo or Hoops. Either way, we're in great shape. We know one of them is lying and I'll take a 1 for 1 any day of the week!

Right now, I tend to believe Hoops based on his points above. Hopefully Gonzo can shed some more light on the sequence of events, but until then:

VOTE GONZO

[hoopsguy]

sounds solid to me hoops. Good chance that is indeed the case. And it does explain your ridiculous fascination with games and rankings and all that stuff.

Not that this is the debate right now, but I still don't think that looking at winning games was a "ridiculous fascination". It is tied to the victory conditions for both teams.

[DaddyTorgo]

fair enough. How about if I reword it from "ridiculous fascination" to "stronger obsession than anyone else displayed" ?

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #954:
Hoops - Gonzo (915), Lathum (916), Purdue (921), Path (931), Barkeep (936)
Gonzo - Hoops (933), Torgo (945), KWhit (953)

Not voted - Jonathan Ezarik

I'll lose the tie-breaker to anyone but DaddyTorgo, thanks to the two early votes by Gonzo. Hmm, maybe I'll abuse this strategy in future games with the "first vote cast" tie-break mechanism ...

[DaddyTorgo]

I wouldn't worry too much yet hoops. Presumably we'll see some movement around lunchtime

[PurdueBrad]

I'm staying with my vote for mounting reasons, in addition to the ones I laid out yesterday. I still say that the much more clever play (and Hoops seems like a clever player) would be to help us win some games (btw, you missed getting in your step it up yesterday??? Although I shouldn't talk as both times mine have failed to get me mentioned as doing anything of value) while poaching us off at the rate of two per day. I haven't seen anything to make me distrust Gonzo and I think watching vote movement could be very telling tonight.

[Passacaglia]

Hmm, maybe I'll abuse this strategy in future games with the "first vote cast" tie-break mechanism ...

Seems like you, me, and Alan are in the early-morning crowd -- I would love to see us all in a race to see who can wake up first, and vote/unvote everyone else (or each other).

[hoopsguy]

Purdue, for what it is worth I didn't think you were going to move your vote. In fact, I almost posted asking JHandley to vote for Gonzo as I felt like I had a better chance at his vote than yours.

You seemed pretty set on your play yesterday, even when it was clear I wasn't going to be lynched and there was a Pass/Lathum showdown late that involved a wolf. In terms of DT's suggestion that Gonzo + Lathum are wolves, I don't think so at all. I'm guessing that the wolves are some combination of Gonzo, you, and either KWhit or Path.

I like to think I'm a clever player, but I'm trying to help the Indians here.

[DaddyTorgo]

you know me hoops, just floating ideas out there, seeing what gets a reaction

[hoopsguy]

OK, I've allowed myself to be distracted from other topics of conversation long enough for today.

Trust List:
1. Hoopsguy - absolute trust, I know my own allegiance.
2. DaddyT - medium trust, see no advantage to his targetting villager Cronin for two days as a wolf.
3. Gonzo - slight trust. I wish that he would actually try to, you know, interpret events, offer thoughts, etc. But I don't think wolves are missing votes if they can avoid it.

Neutral:
4. Barkeep - strikes me as a burned-out villager who isn't doing anybody any good playing right now if his heart isn't in it.
5. Lathum - more aggressive playing style than I used to seeing from him in wolf mode. Seems like he feels the urgency of the situtation from villager point ofview. Last guy on list that drifts towards trust in this middle group.
6. Jonathan Ezarik - very little info to work with on him, like Gonzo. But not drifting into distrust yet, just a straight neutral.
7. PurdueBrad - first-game, would he come out blazing after me on Day 3 as a wolf? I'm leaning towards no, but he falls in at the very bottom of my neutral list.

Distrust:
8. Path - seems to be caught up in role-playing more than analysis up to this point
9. KWhit - my impression is that he is not being decisive this game, more like trying to find where he can safely position himself
10. Pass - same impression as KWhit, except that impression is even stronger. There was a post of his right before deadline last night that left me almost certain that we were in a villager/villager showdown between Cronin and Torgo


Other people here know KWhit and Passacaglia well enough from previous games. What are your thoughts on their play up to this point.

If neither one of these guys is a wolf then I just stink at this game. Period, end of story.

Here is my trust list from yesterday. I followed posting it with the first vote on Passacaglia. I kept my vote on him all day long, even when it would have been idiotic to do so with a fellow wolf.

If you think I would build trust as a wolf by conceding the minor victory, I can respect that opinion. If you think that I would throw away a wolf who wasn't in jeopardy at the start of the day, when in the process of shutting out the village, then I think you are taking crazy pills.

The argument of me trying to earn trust through villager-like actions really falls apart here. I'll argue this one all day with anyone who cares to contest this point.

[path12]

No. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.

We lynch hoops tonight. If he comes up good we lynch Gonzo tomorrow. Do not let him sway you. If you are part of a vote to lynch the seer Jack Parkman will do everything in his power to make sure you are lynched.

This is basic gameplay here. If it was somebody else in the position, and with the numbers we have, hoops would absolutely be on the other side of this argument.

We have the luxury of finding out tonight. There has not been another seer coming out. You trust the one that does, especially when it is such an easily proven reveal.

If hoops somehow wrangles out of this, Jack Parkman (and path) will be in awe. And extremely disappointed in those who let him get away.

[DaddyTorgo]

path said some things yesterday that were enough to get me to move my vote off of him, but I am not 100% convinced on him (or really anybody cept myself at this point)

[hoopsguy]

My Day Three vote count:

Passacaglia (5)-- hoopsguy (743), Barkeep49 (807), Lathum (838), Jonathan Ezarik (841), Gonzo (845)
Lathum (3)-- KWhit (781), path12 (801), Passacaglia (816)
Hoopsguy (1)-- PurdueBrad (636)

Passacaglia is today's lynch victim. Writeup coming shortly.

Here is the vote from yesterday. Gonzo jumps on Pass for the fake reveal because he is the actual seer. He gets converted last night as a result of it. Personally, I was working under the impression that JE was the seer at the end of yesterday but seems like I was wrong on that count.

THe other wolves are going to be the guys on either me or Lathum yesterday. They were trying to save their own in what was a pretty close vote.

[PurdueBrad]

No. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.

We lynch hoops tonight. If he comes up good we lynch Gonzo tomorrow. Do not let him sway you. If you are part of a vote to lynch the seer Jack Parkman will do everything in his power to make sure you are lynched.

This is basic gameplay here. If it was somebody else in the position, and with the numbers we have, hoops would absolutely be on the other side of this argument.

We have the luxury of finding out tonight. There has not been another seer coming out. You trust the one that does, especially when it is such an easily proven reveal.

If hoops somehow wrangles out of this, Jack Parkman (and path) will be in awe. And extremely disappointed in those who let him get away.

As much as it hurts me to have to say this, I agree with Jack Parkman whole-heartedly.

[DaddyTorgo]

my head hurts

[hoopsguy]

This is basic gameplay here. If it was somebody else in the position, and with the numbers we have, hoops would absolutely be on the other side of this argument.

I would like to think that I would look at how the seer reveal went down. I agree with the bias, and the correctness of your statement in a neutral context. But I'm obviously not in a position to treat it abstractly when I'm being falsely accused. And I would ask you to take a look at the timeline of his accusation - thinking he is dead, the post from Chief Rum that all posts are out, Gonzo voting on another person first, and then unvoting to "reveal" me. Look at the sequence, as well as the timestamps on those, and tell me that this makes any sense. Look at his explanation for how he viewed me because of events that took place after the deadline, when he could no longer put in an order to view me. I personally think it is a badly butchered fake reveal, but everyone wanted to believe it pretty badly based on the votes immediately following before I even got a chance to respond.

[Neon_Chaos]

More, more. This is fun.

[Barkeep49]

Hoops: If Gonzo is a bad seer, why would he reveal you as a wolf, as that puts him in jeopardy. Why not, instead, reveal three known villagers, going under Lathum's, "I just want to get a COT started" theory? By the time people outside that circle were all killed, along with Gonzo, it would be tough pickings going back into that circle and figuring out who is good and who is bad. This to me is the biggest reason to think that you are indeed a wolf. A wolf seer should not reveal a false wolf, since then they die the next day.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, I don't know why he played it the way he played it. I've speculated that they feel very confident about their numbers, but I honestly don't know. This would make more sense to me if it was happening a day later, as I would be surprised if the bad guys got three starting wolves plus a conversion.

All I can tell you on that is that if Jonathan is not the seer (I thought he was after last night) then they converted Gonzo the seer because that is the only scenario I can construct where he comes after me like this. And if Jonathan is the seer then this is a bigger blunder than I think it is now.

I'm willing to accept that he scanned Lathum, as Lathum seems to feel that he was trusted earlier. I have no idea if he scanned you, me, or anyone else prior to being converted.

[Barkeep49]

I will point out that the only time it makes sense for a wolf seer to reveal someone as a wolf, is if he is a wolf. In that case he gains trust, of course it is a short term success when he doesn't turn up dead after a couple of days.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, I don't know why he played it the way he played it. I've speculated that they feel very confident about their numbers, but I honestly don't know. This would make more sense to me if it was happening a day later, as I would be surprised if the bad guys got three starting wolves plus a conversion.

All I can tell you on that is that if Jonathan is not the seer (I thought he was after last night) then they converted Gonzo the seer because that is the only scenario I can construct where he comes after me like this. And if Jonathan is the seer then this is a bigger blunder than I think it is now.

I'm willing to accept that he scanned Lathum, as Lathum seems to feel that he was trusted earlier. I have no idea if he scanned you, me, or anyone else prior to being converted.
Hoops, lynching you is the safe play. Lynching Gonzo is the risky play since if he's telling the truth and we lynch him (and remember we have no reason to believe he's not the seer) then we lose out on another night's scan. Lynching either of you tells us us the same thing. Except that if he's right and you're a wolf, there's a benefit to lynching you not him. The reverse is not true.

[hoopsguy]

Path, and others who are putting credence in the "no other seer has come forward" argument.

No one has come forward to dispute me as the Scout either. Chief has said that this is a straight-forward game. If no one disputes that I'm the scout, then why does the lack of contention on Gonzo's claim mean more than the lack of contention on my claim?

If you accept that Gonzo is the seer, and that I am the Scout, and that we were both playing for the good guys up to last night (which is what I believe to be the truth) then I think you have to examine his play from 10PM EST on. Or, to be more precise, from the time that he would have gotten his night-time PM. That timestamp for me was 10:56PM EST.

If you think that his play from that point on is consistent with a villager, you should vote me. If you think that his play from that point on is suspect, then you should vote for him.

[st.cronin]

More, more. This is fun.

+1, this is the best

[hoopsguy]

Hoops, lynching you is the safe play. Lynching Gonzo is the risky play since if he's telling the truth and we lynch him (and remember we have no reason to believe he's not the seer) then we lose out on another night's scan. Lynching either of you tells us us the same thing. Except that if he's right and you're a wolf, there's a benefit to lynching you not him. The reverse is not true.

The safe play is not the right play.

Look, I play the percentages all the time when I have incomplete information. I get the logic. But if you accept that the wolves are making a mathematically correct play based on their understanding of their capabilities (a topic they understand better than us) then we might not end up getting the 1:1 trade-off you are looking for in this exchange.

[Gonzo]

What a suprise that the wolf I gave you tries a fake reveal himself. Tell me hoops, did you really accidentally not remember to send in the step it up last night or was that to hurt the village?

VOTE GONZO

And his probable packmate runs to his behest. Fun.

[Gonzo]

Hoops, why the hell would a wolf fake reveal after losing a packmate and not killing in the previous cycle? That's almost suicidal.

[hoopsguy]

Gonzo, if I wanted to hurt the village I would have skipped the first two times. You saw what happened when it was left to Parkman to win the game. Of couse, the fact that I stepped-it-up earlier was a meaningless distraction but now that I missed an action it is the basis for your argument? Dude, in case you forgot you are claiming to be the seer. You don't need to resort to arguments about stepping-it-up ... just rely on your claim and people wanting to believe it. You are operating in a position of strength and are only likely to blow it by talking too much and saying dumb things.

Additionally, if I was a wolf I would have tried to save a fellow wolf the night before. I wouldn't have turned the spotlight on him earlier in the day when dominating the game, I wouldn't have listed him at the absolute bottom of my trust list.

I would be beyond stupid to try and build trust to the detriment of my teammates. Seriously, who would be more likely to be scanned this game, me or Pass? If I was playing as a wolf, push comes to shove, I would have allowed him to push me out of the game to make himself a hero rather than the other way around. But there was no reason for push to come to shove yesterday if I'm playing co-wolf with Pass.

I'm not getting a vote change from Gonzo or Purdue. It sounds like it will take an act of god to get one from Path, which leaves me with Barkeep, Lathum, and Jonathan. Realistically, I probably need two out of those three to avoid any late-vote-move hijinks.

[Barkeep49]

Hoops: Actually, your actions could be entirely consistent with what I've been saying all along. You, as the wolf, were going for the major win. You didn't care about the games and figured we could win them. Then when it looks like someone on your side is going down, strangely enough because of your actions, you didn't send in your step it up last night since it seemed like you might want to try for that minor victory.

Also in a "typical" WW game, there can often be a lesser role, such as the scout or duke, who is on the bad guy side. I see no reason to think that a wolf having such a role is inconsistent with the typical game CR say that this is.

[Barkeep49]

Gonzo: Can you explain your voting for DT then for hoops? That really does need explanation.

[KWhit]

Hoops, lynching you is the safe play. Lynching Gonzo is the risky play since if he's telling the truth and we lynch him (and remember we have no reason to believe he's not the seer) then we lose out on another night's scan. Lynching either of you tells us us the same thing. Except that if he's right and you're a wolf, there's a benefit to lynching you not him. The reverse is not true.

Great point. Didn't think of that.

We know one of them is a wolf. I'd rather lose the scout than the seer, so if we're going to be wrong, I'd rather be wrong lynching Hoops than Gonzo.

UNVOTE GONZO
VOTE HOOPSGUY

[KWhit]

Gonzo: Can you explain your voting for DT then for hoops? That really does need explanation.

Yes, yes. That is still bewildering.

[hoopsguy]

Great point. Didn't think of that.

We know one of them is a wolf. I'd rather lose the scout than the seer, so if we're going to be wrong, I'd rather be wrong lynching Hoops than Gonzo.

UNVOTE GONZO
VOTE HOOPSGUY

And this is why I said I probably needed two out of three earlier to avert vote switches. You guys have your roadmap going forward to find the remaining wolves. Just hope you have time to do it.

[Barkeep49]

I'm slow. Where are we supposed to go after Gonzo, if you're indeed as innocent as a newborn.

[DaddyTorgo]

gonzo: scan me and then come back and tell everyone what you find out. And then we'll know if you're for real or you've been converted.

the esteemed BK does have a point though: better to lose the scout than the seer.

this is all horribly fuster-clucked though. GJ by whichever of you two is a wolf in throwing enough doubt into things.

UNVOTE GONZO

[hoopsguy]

In terms of DT's suggestion that Gonzo + Lathum are wolves, I don't think so at all. I'm guessing that the wolves are some combination of Gonzo, you (insert: was talking to Purdue, to clarify the pronoun), and either KWhit or Path.

This post, plus my trust list from yesterday - basically the bottom four from yesterday's list.

Pass - hung as wolf
KWhit - wrong side of every vote, very atypical game
Path - don't know
Brad - don't know, but quickly moving up the suspect list

And the converted seer, Gonzo.

[hoopsguy]

Personal rant ... I'm extremely bitter about how this is going down, as it will be the first time I've ever been hung as a villager by the villagers in 30+ games of playing WW. Particularly after I've played what I thought was one of my best villager games.

[Gonzo]

Gonzo: Can you explain your voting for DT then for hoops? That really does need explanation.

I'm pretty sure DaddyTorgo is a wolf, what with Hoopsguy protecting him and all. I was still considering whether to reveal when I made my first vote, the plan then was to lynch DT and then reveal and get Hoops. But I considered my options and thought I might as well reveal, get Hoopsguy and then get DaddyTorgo the next day.

[DaddyTorgo]

there is something to the whole "timing" thing though. I think "the quest stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little and it will fail, to the detriment of all."

and we don't realize it. The wolves have the advantage always in knowing when it's time to move the game along to some type of "endgame" type manuever, really chum the waters. and that's what I think we've got here.

for whatever reason the wolves have decided to make some sort of play here. This is the critical time, even though we may not think so. and that makes me see so many reasons within reasons. Hoops could indeed be a wolf, fighting to buy one more day, but could we really be that close to endgame? I don't think so. By the same token, this could be a fake-reveal by Gonzo to try to get a 1:1 trade, but do we really think the wolves are in a position where that's beneficial?

[hoopsguy]

Gonzo, and why did you think you were dead when you read your PM at first?

[Gonzo]

Gonzo, and why did you think you were dead when you read your PM at first?

After I got the PM saying you were a wolf, Chief Rum said: "Do me a favor and don't say anything (if you were planning to) until I post the night game action. I am writing right now. Thanks!". I thought I was a goner.

[st.cronin]

it will be the first time I've ever been hung as a villager by the villagers in 30+ games of playing WW.

That seems hard to believe... is that actually true?

[Barkeep49]

After I got the PM saying you were a wolf, Chief Rum said: "Do me a favor and don't say anything (if you were planning to) until I post the night game action. I am writing right now. Thanks!". I thought I was a goner.
I'd have thought the same thing.

[DaddyTorgo]

ya know what. fuck that. Maybe gonzo is the seer, but he's wrong about me and he's pushing extremely hard considering he has no information. Not a very seer-esque thing to do. I can't vote with him on the basis of that.

VOTE GONZO

[hoopsguy]

I know I won't likely be believed, but it's true. stupid wifi.

and I did post earlier about how it was taking me 2 minutes to load the thread.

Ya know what though, lynch me if you all want. I have enough other crap on my mind that it won't really break my heart, although you'll just be lynching a villager.

I don't miss votes. It's not something I do. Shit...i voted from my friend's bachelor party, and his wedding, and caught 2 wolves that weekend.

for me to miss a vote pretty much hasta be a massive technical fuckup.

EVERYONE VISIT THIS LINK!!!!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1516686&postcount=1641

The accusations fly early, but there is a lack of consensus as the new day dawns. At one point, six candidates all have a vote--one vote--and no one more than that. Different members of the team argue their candidates and try to swing others to their way of thinking.

Lathum gets some attention as game time draws near, but not everyone is convinced he is one of the owner's flunkies. The alternative seems to be Passacaglia.

With minutes dwindling and fearing his doom, Pass gets up before the team and admits he is the seer, the one who knows all. He fears if he doesn't reveal himself, he may be killed. But he doesn't get the reaction he expects. Suspicion is running high in the Tribe dugout. "Why didn't you come out sooner?" some say. "Who are the wolves?" say others.

But they mostly smell something amiss. And they turn on Passacaglia, tossing their votes in his face. The manager comes forward to Pass and says, "Ricky, I think the nice men with badges outside the stadium want to have a chat with you."

The vote is final. Did the team remove an evil wolf. Or its seer--and it's best pitcher?...

Well I'm dead. See you all.

Harry Doyle: (Hayes takes his lead off first base) We don't know where Hayes played last year, but I'm sure he did a hell of a job.

Spirits are high as you march onto the field, knowing one less wolf is on your back. And with a win and a Yankee loss, you can move into first!

The Orioles are trying to avoid the sweep and are sending their best fireballer out there tonight. Try as you might, you can't seem to solve him. It doesn't help that you had to rush up a minor leaguer to pitch for Vaughan, since it was his turn tonight.

The kid turns in a decent performance, but you're down 3-0 going into the bottom of the eighth. Cerrano has been the man of late, but he hasn't been able to muster a powerful hit tonight yet, going one for three so far with a single and two strikeouts. He ended the last inning with his second punch out.

No, today's hero will have to be struttin' Jack Parkman. The fireballer, trying to get one more inning out of his arm, busts Parkman inside early on after walking Tomlinson. "That just gets Parkman mad. And no one wants to get Parkman mad", Parkman tells anyone who will listen, which is no one.

Too bad; they shoulda. The pitcher hangs a curve in Parkman's wheelhouse and the catcher drills a powerful shot over the left-center wall! Parkman stands there admiring the flying ball, then he glares at the mound as he takes a step toward first, then he tauntingly flips his bat back toward the on deck circle to trot slowly around the bases. And the Indians are within one!

After the next three hitters end up in the dirt and three pitchers are ejected, a reliever gets the final four outs, and Parkman's heroics go for naught. The Tribe have lost, 3-2!

But so have the Yankees. They get drilled in Detroit to wrap that series. You're all still tied at the top!

DAY FOUR HAS NOW BEGUN. THE DEADLINE IS 10 P.M. EST/7 P.M. PDT.

Please note, tomorrow is a regular schedule but should it be necessary, we have an extended schedule for the weekend. Please review Post #2 for times.

You all have received all of the information you will receive from the GM until the next deadline.

Alright then.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

For the reasons stated above, re the "when I'm a wolf I blame internet connections for not voting" thing.

FYI...when the nightly game results have been posted, and the next day is officially announced with deadline, all night actions have been processed and results taken care of and PMs sent.

So at that point, you can all assume that is all that will be forthcoming. Sorry if that was confusing anyone.


I asked someone else to do this so I wouldn't be accused of bias in reporting the posts. But I've listed post #'s and timestamps for each of them, along with the time that I received my night/Scout PM.

864 - 14 minutes after deadline (DT post on bad internet)
868 - 30 minutes after deadline (Lathum post calling out DT)
870 - 32 minutes after deadline (Chief posts results)
I got night PM 56 minutes after deadline
895 - 60 minutes after deadline (Gonzo posts I'm dead)
901 - 73 minutes after deadline (Chief posts ballgame results)
908 - 88 minutes after deadline (Chief posts all PMs are out)
911 - 91 minutes after deadline (Gonzo votes for DT)
915 - 101 minutes after deadline (Gonzo reveals as seer, changes vote to me)

[hoopsguy]

That seems hard to believe... is that actually true?

100% true - I've grown increasingly proud of it over time. I've been hung as a wolf, but never as a villager.

[Gonzo]

ya know what. fuck that. Maybe gonzo is the seer, but he's wrong about me and he's pushing extremely hard considering he has no information. Not a very seer-esque thing to do. I can't vote with him on the basis of that.

VOTE GONZO

I think you're a wolf because you've admitted using the faulty internet play as a wolf in previous games when you've also used it in this game. Add to that when Lathum (good) and I jumped on you, Hoops (confirmed wolf) tried to defend you.

[Barkeep49]

hoops: I think Gonzo's story checks out all around though. I agree the timeline is conducive to the argument you're giving, but Gonzo's explanation is reasonable.

[DaddyTorgo]

if hoops is indeed a wolf I submit that he's known I was a villager all along and was likely trying to buy my loyalty for a time like this by supporting me since him+I know you are wrong.