WW LXIV- The Wedding- GAME OVER GUESTS WIN

[Lathum]

OK I have taken the signup list from the game Peregrine was going to run and moved it over here.

I am in school full time so we will be using a 24 hour cycle. Both deadlines will be at 10:00 PM EST.

I will probably send out roles sometime tomorrow and keep signups open until then with the first deadline being monday night at 10:00.

If you can't play please post in the thread.

1. Claphamsa
2. JHeinze72
3. Barkeep49
4. Path12
5. Raiders Army
6. Cheif Rum
7. Oliegirl
8. Schmidty
9. She-Rahn.
10. Mauboy1
11. Passacagliia- lynched day 3- ex boyfriend
12. Daddy Torgo
13. Arles
14. RendeR- lynched day 1- guest
15. Neon Chaos- killed night 1- guest
16. NTNDeacon



WW the wedding

It is a few days untill the big day. All the preperations have been made and now it is time for the festivities to begin. All the RSVP’s have been received, the seating chart done and the flowers in place.

The guests are arriving for the big weekend, the rehearsel dinner is just around the corner. Everyone is in a jolly mood and eager and excited for the young couple to begin their lives together. Well almost everyone…..

WW is a game of lying, cheating, and decite. In this particular game there are sabatours ( wolves) and wedding guests ( villlagers). The sabatours are a group of jealous ex girlfriends and such who will stop at nothing to prevent the wedding. The guests goal is simple, eliminate all the sabatours so the wedding goes off as planned. This will be a pretty straightforward game. The deadline for both cycles will be 10:00 PM EST. Each day you will vote to lynch one person by bolding the selected candidates name.

VOTE PLAYER XXXXX

The person with the most votes at the deadline will be removed from the guest list and is out of the game. All ties will be determined by an unknown method.

Any and all night action will be due by 10:00 PM EST as well and will be run immedeatly following the day results.
Each night the sabatours will attempt to wreck the wedding by breaking into someones room and, disposing, of them.

Victory Conditions

Sabatours- Major Victory- Achieve a 1:1 ratio of sabatour:guest and eliminate both the Bride and Groom.

Minor Victory-Achieve a 1:1 ratio of sabatour:guest.

Guests- Major victory - they eliminate all the sabatours and both the Bride and Groom survive.

Minor Victory- The guests eliminat all the sabatours

The game will continue even if the Bride and Groom are killed, the party was after all paid for already, and it is an open bar after all.


ROLES

GUESTS
Bride- Your big day is coming up. You have met the man of your dreams and you look beautifull in your dress. Once per game you can change the outcome of a lynch vote. You must PM me that you want to change the vote, your identity will remain a secret.

Groom- You have met the perfect woman. The honeymoon is booked and you are ready to go. One time per game you will be able to protect yourself from a night kill. This is automatic, you don’t have to send it in as an order. It will not be known to the sabatours why their kill was blocked, just that it was.

Best Man- You are happy for your best friend and will do anything to make sure the wedding is the happiest day of their lives. Each night you may select one player to protect. If that player is attacked you will prevent their death. You may not protect the same player on consecutive nights. You may protect yourself.

Maid of Honor- Your older sister is getting married and you couldn’t be happier. Being a younger sister you have gotten used to sneaking around and eavesdropping. Each night you may select a candidate to spy on and their allegience will be revealed to you.

SABATOURS

Ex-Girlfriend- Hell hasth no fury like a woman scorned. The groom dumped you for this skinny bitch and you are gonna get your revenge. Each night you and your fellow sabatours will select someones room to break into and kill. If you are lynched during the day cycle you won’t go down without a fight.

Ex-Boyfriend- She broke your heart when she stopped returning your calls and now you want some payback.

Mother in law- You hate this girl he picked. You can’t deal with the fact that your baby boy doesn’t need you anymore and you will do anything to to stop this wedding.

Drama queen- You really don’t have a problem with the bride or groom but you love drama. The more the better. You count as a guest for victory conditions but you win if you stay alive and the sabatours win. You have been lucky enough to learn the identities of the sabatours.

As always in werewolf there is no editing of posts, no quoting of PM’s and no abusive language, etc…

There may be roles, abilities, rules, etc… not listed above. If you have any questions please feel free to PM me.

[Chief Rum]

Oh, yeah, still in!

[mauchow]

Count me in.

[Lathum]

Count me in.

welcome!!

[mauchow]

Thanks. This'll be my third ever werewolf game and my first here.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

I'm still in - but can we keep it a simple game? I fear I'm a little rusty.

[Lathum]

I'm still in - but can we keep it a simple game? I fear I'm a little rusty.

yeah, pretty much all my games are simple

[Passacaglia]

I'm in.

[DaddyTorgo]

in

[Lathum]

ok, we are at 12 now. I am gonna post rules, ets... this afternoon. Signups will remain open until then

[Schmidty]

I would like to be in.

[Schmidty]

Oops. Guess I already am.

[Arles]

I'll play if it's still open.

[Raiders Army]

I'm glad it's simple rules. :D

[Lathum]

omg arles and she rahn. Awesome!!

[RendeR]

Hrm, deadline is 10pm...I wiork 2-10 monday through thursday...why not, count me in for this one.

I'll only in be in rnadom games for the next few months. I have a gaming tournament to prepare for so I realy need to focus on getting the army painted for that. As long as the deadlines fall during my work time (and not too early in it) then I should be able to join in. I may not be nearly as active as I used to be ohwever.

[claphamsa]

uh oh!!!



Thanks. This'll be my third ever werewolf game and my first here.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

I'll play if it's still open.

Werewolf.

Oh wait, is voting not open yet? :p

[Neon_Chaos]

Man.

As f'd up as my schedule is...

In.

:D

Cheers Lathum!

[DaddyTorgo]

cheeky setting for a game lathum. Looks like fun.

Just an FYI before the game starts all...work has been busy so I may not be posting as much as I used to during the day

[hoopsguy]

I'm in the same boat as Neon in terms of bad schedules. But put me in as an alternate and make me active if you need me to fit numbers for the game - definitely want to see one up and running.

And if (when) I'm not posting during the day please reference this post rather than assuming I'm playing an idiotic wolf.

[ntndeacon]

if it is still open I am in.

[Lathum]

if it is still open I am in.

your good

[JeeberD]

Wait, what...Farrah is playing WW now? Is it time to make my not so triumphant return?

[Lathum]

OK, signups are closed. Roles going out shortly. I am assuming Jeeber isn't in since he never officialy signed up.

This is the guest PM. If you aren't a player with a role this is the PM you will get.


You are an ordinary villager.

[oliegirl]

Ordinary villager checking in.

[mauchow]

I don't like ordinary so I'll say AVERAGE VILLAGER checking in.

[Lathum]

Everyone should have received their roles. LEt the games begin!

[ntndeacon]

Since I think of myself as neither ordinary nor average. I will just say villager checking in.

[Arles]

ordinary villager present and accounted for.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Always a bridesmaid. Villager checking in.

So if this is a wedding....someone want to go make out with me in the coat check room? :D

[Raiders Army]

An ornery villager checking in. Uh, I mean ordinary.

[Chief Rum]

I am, as usual, an above average and extraordinary villager. But otherwise, I am a normal wedding guest.

[Neon_Chaos]

Man. I hate being an ordinary villager. :(

At least give me a pitchfork or something... so we can all pool our pitchforks together and form an elite squad of ordinary villagers with pitchforks!

[RendeR]

I have recieved my PM, I am checking in, villager, pretty much as always.


C'mon Farrah, the coat check room is busy with Hoops and BK enjoying each other's company, we can go skinny dip in the jacuzzi. I brought champagne!

[Passacaglia]

Since I think of myself as neither ordinary nor average. I will just say villager checking in.

Mediocre villager checking in here.

[claphamsa]

Im the random dude in the corner drinking jaggermeister and oiggling the bridesmades......

[claphamsa]

open bar woooooo

[Schmidty]

hi

[Neon_Chaos]

hi Schmidty.

[Chief Rum]

Usual Monday Chief Rum fare. I will be out all day at both of my jobs. So I have to pick someone now.

So...

VOTE SCHMIDTY

Because he knows it doesn't mean anything. Obviously, anyone dogpiling on my vote should be looked at with extreme suspicion.

See you all at the rehearsal dinner tonight!

[Raiders Army]

I'll wait until for another six hours (noon my time) to see who doesn't check in. I'll base my vote for today off that.

[path12]

Checking in, yo. Just a regular guest.

[jeheinz72]

Hola amigos. Checkin' in here. Haven't even read the rules to be honest, just an open villager. Heading to the bar then I'll get caught up.

[DaddyTorgo]

checking in. haven't read my PM yet

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm an extraordinary villager. okay no wait...actually i'm an extraordinary wolf but a fairly pedestrian villager.

villager's...TO ARMS!!

[jeheinz72]

random vote...

Vote Path12

He always takes me to school in some way...

[Barkeep49]

Here and disappointed that once again I'm a vanilla villager. In my long WW career I've only had a non-vanilla villager role 3 times (not counting games where everyone has a role). Anyhow it's good to be back. I can't wait to see some of you make fools of yourself ... at the open bar.

[jeheinz72]

Oh crap, I just realized I brought another convert to the FOFC boards (Mauboy). There went the neighborhood.

[mauchow]

Well heinz, I almost played this once before a during its early stages but could never muster the courage but now that I've played twice I'm all for it at a new place.

[Passacaglia]

Usual Monday Chief Rum fare. I will be out all day at both of my jobs. So I have to pick someone now.

So...

VOTE SCHMIDTY

Because he knows it doesn't mean anything. Obviously, anyone dogpiling on my vote should be looked at with extreme suspicion.

See you all at the rehearsal dinner tonight!

So I was thinking of putting in a Day 1 vote for Schmidty, just cuz of the whole Michigan-MSU thing. But I backed down, because of CR's comment about whoever follows him is suspicious. I know that CR's line of thinking is pretty standard, but I can't help but wonder if he's trying to protect Schmidty, by striking fear in anyone else wanting to vote for him. Of course, CR won't be able to respond today, but I think it's something worth investigating. I'd like to hear some other thoughts on it.

[Neon_Chaos]

hmmmm. who to vote. who to vote.

[Barkeep49]

So I was thinking of putting in a Day 1 vote for Schmidty, just cuz of the whole Michigan-MSU thing. But I backed down, because of CR's comment about whoever follows him is suspicious. I know that CR's line of thinking is pretty standard, but I can't help but wonder if he's trying to protect Schmidty, by striking fear in anyone else wanting to vote for him. Of course, CR won't be able to respond today, but I think it's something worth investigating. I'd like to hear some other thoughts on it.
I actually thought the same thing. I think that's good enough for a D1 vote, at least for the moment.

Vote CR

[ntndeacon]

Vote oliegirl
Just another random day one vote.

[Passacaglia]

Vote oliegirl
Just another random day one vote.

So no thoughts on CR and Schmidty?

[mauchow]

Daddy Torgo gets my most suspicion as he said himself that he's a wolf. :)

No Lynch

[mauchow]

Vote No Lynch

[Neon_Chaos]

Random vote. The CR / Schmidty thing is too much of a stretch for me to actually think the Wolves are scheming that elaborately on day 1.

Vote Render

[Passacaglia]

I'm not sure no lynch votes are allowed.

[Passacaglia]

I'm not sure no lynch votes are allowed.

Lathum -- can I get clarification on that?

[mauchow]

I knew that! LOL

My bad anyhow, I guess I just assumed.

Unvote NO Lynch even though it may not be allowed.

[st.cronin]

Too late to sign up? Put me down as an alternate.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE BARKEEP
it's not nice to vote for CR when he's not around to defend himself.

(if i needed a reason for a D1 vote, that's as good as any)

[path12]

random vote...

Vote Path12

He always takes me to school in some way...

Well now, that doesn't seem all that random a vote then, does it?

[path12]

I think I'll welcome one of our WW newcomers.

VOTE ARLES

Glad to see you sign up! ;)

[jeheinz72]

Well now, that doesn't seem all that random a vote then, does it?

That's true. I hate you path12! Hate hate hate!

But yeah, no actual game-reason other than you always seem to be on the other side from me and you always win (or so it seems). So since I'm good, you must be bad.

[mauchow]

Since she didn't pick me to go in the closet with her...

Vote Farrah

[RendeR]

VOTE LATHUM

[RendeR]

Awe hell, he's not playting....nevermind

UNVOTE LATHUM

[RendeR]

VOTE Barkeep

Hoops isn't around to be vindictive with and I'm tired of always voting Cronin on day 1, so its BK's turn to feel the wrath of the random day 1 vote.

[Lathum]

No lynch is not an option.

Anyone who votes no lynch or fails to vote will be punished by being cut off at the bar

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE BARKEEP

I don't like to lead runs on BK on D1. Never works out well.

i don't think i have ever voted this person before, so might as well start now on D1

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[jeheinz72]

So where are we at? Like 7 people with 1 vote each?

[Barkeep49]

So where are we at? Like 7 people with 1 vote each?
Yeah I think we're at about the point where we need to consolidate. I think I'm pretty willing to consolidate onto Render after his vote for me.

[jeheinz72]

Yeah I think we're at about the point where we need to consolidate. I think I'm pretty willing to consolidate onto Render after his vote for me.

Gotcha, so my rough list of people with votes is:

olie
pass
BK
render
path12
Farrah
Arles
CR
Schmidty

I think that's most/all of the people with a vote on them. Mine is on path. Any reason to pick RendeR or just b/c of the vote? I can't see myself switching to CR, Arles or Farrah (don't play much or aren't here).

[claphamsa]

vite mau!

[Passacaglia]

wow

[Passacaglia]

we're going to have to bring in the spelling narcs around here

[Barkeep49]

Ok someone has to be the one to do it and I think his vote on me, and the time of the day, is as good of a reason as any to vote Render.

Unvote Chief
Vote Render

[ntndeacon]

So no thoughts on CR and Schmidty?

nope. except that that is pretty much standard practice for CR to say as he did. I don't infer anyt guilt into that at all. Note both could be but that vote of CR's should not be a reason to voting for him whole hog.

[jeheinz72]

Well, I'm about to split (20 minutes) and won't be back until morning. This spread is insane and so I'll push the issue

Unvote path12
Vote RendeR

[Passacaglia]

That seems to resolve the issue, rather than push it (if that makes sense).

VOTE SCHMIDTY

I know it's not much, but a CR-Schmidty link is what's in my mind now. People seem to have a problem with me voting for CR since he said he'd be gone, and besides, Schmidty has more votes on him anyway.

[jeheinz72]

Well I mean force some actions. We now have 2 people with multiple votes, that should eliminate further spread and encourage those that are still spread to make a move of some sort, for info down the road.

[path12]

UNVOTE BARKEEP

I don't like to lead runs on BK on D1. Never works out well.

i don't think i have ever voted this person before, so might as well start now on D1

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

I've got to say that this post makes me a little wary of both DT and Barkeep. It's not your fault that someone followed you onto BK, so I don't quite understand why you would feel the need to move your vote.

It's almost as if you put a vote on a fellow wolf and now want to make sure that he stays safe.............just sayin'.

[DaddyTorgo]

I've got to say that this post makes me a little wary of both DT and Barkeep. It's not your fault that someone followed you onto BK, so I don't quite understand why you would feel the need to move your vote.

It's almost as if you put a vote on a fellow wolf and now want to make sure that he stays safe.............just sayin'.

nah. I just didn't want to see momentum shifting that way. threw the first post in while I was busy at work, peeked back in and saw someone following me, then realized that i'd had real bad luck going after BK early in games, and then was like "huh...i don't think i've ever once voted for Pass ever ever"

[RendeR]

nah. I just didn't want to see momentum shifting that way. threw the first post in while I was busy at work, peeked back in and saw someone following me, then realized that i'd had real bad luck going after BK early in games, and then was like "huh...i don't think i've ever once voted for Pass ever ever"


No offense bud, but my vote wasn't a following vote. I voted BK because he's the next person on my list of "vote for them day 1 because they're always against me" votes.

[Lathum]

Current vote count


Schmidty 2 ( Chiefrum 41, Passacaglia 82)
OlieGirl 1 ( NTNDeacon 54 )
RendeR 3 ( Neon Chaos 58, Barkeep 79, JeHeinze 81 )
Arles 1 ( Path12 65)
Farrah 1 ( Mauboy1 67)
Barkeep 1 ( RendeR 70)
Passacaglia 1 ( Daddy Torgo 72)
Mauboy1 1 ( Claphamsa 76)

No Vote : Raiders Army, Farrah, Arles, OlieGirl, Schmidty

[oliegirl]

No real direction to go in here...I hate day 1 votes. Ugh.

Vote NTNDeacon

Simply because he voted for me and I don't want to be the deciding vote or create a tie on a day 1 vote.

[Raiders Army]

Sorry, got caught up at work and had to take my daughter to this dance thing. Vote coming.

[mauchow]

Unvote Farrah
Vote DaddyT

[Raiders Army]

While I see everyone checked in prior to noon my time, I'm going to have to throw out a

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I'd go RendeR, but I had him for Secret Santa and got him a sweatshirt with his signature on it. ;)

[Raiders Army]

wow. didn't know that mauboy was going to vote for him. That was weird.

[Lathum]

Current vote count about 1 hour until deadline

Schmidty 2 ( Chiefrum 41, Passacaglia 82)
OlieGirl 1 ( NTNDeacon 54 )
RendeR 3 ( Neon Chaos 58, Barkeep 79, JeHeinze 81 )
Arles 1 ( Path12 65)
Barkeep 1 ( RendeR 70)
Passacaglia 1 ( Daddy Torgo 72)
Mauboy1 1 ( Claphamsa 76)
NTNDeacon 1 ( Oliegirl 88 )
DaddyTorgo ( Mauboy1 90, Raiders Army 91)

No Vote : Farrah, Arles, Schmidty

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Vote DaddyTorgo

Sorry. Random day one vote. :)

[Lathum]

Just a reminder we are using a 24 hour clock so if you have a night action you have about an hour to get your action in.

[Lathum]

Vote DaddyTorgo

Sorry. Random day one vote. :)

Farrah, I'll count this vote but make sure you bold it :)

[Arles]

vote RendeR

[RendeR]

UNVOTE BARKEEP

VOTE DADDYTORGO



Pure self defense move.

[Raiders Army]

vote RendeR

Ya gotta bold your vote according to the rulez.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Sorry Lathum, we're both using our PDA's to make this vote. Don't know how to bold on these things.

But we'll make sure to bold future votes.

[Lathum]

vote RendeR

Arles, I'll count this vote but make sure you bold it :)

clearly people in the Rahn household don't follow instructions well :p

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Ahem . See post #100.

:p

[Lathum]

no worries :)

[Lathum]

Current vote count


DaddyTorgo 4 ( Mauboy1 90, Raiders Army 91, Farrah 94, render 98 )
RendeR 4 ( Neon Chaos 58, Barkeep 79, JeHeinze 81, Arles 97 )
Schmidty 2 ( Chiefrum 41, Passacaglia 82)
OlieGirl 1 ( NTNDeacon 54 )
Arles 1 ( Path12 65)
Passacaglia 1 ( Daddy Torgo 72)
Mauboy1 1 ( Claphamsa 76)
NTNDeacon 1 ( Oliegirl 88 )

No Vote : Schmidty

[RendeR]

Don't forget to BOLD those votes guys, Lathum may be strict about votes being done properly.

[RendeR]

LOL, I love lag

[DaddyTorgo]

holy crap...what a swing onto me. Not cool

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE PASS

VOTE RENDER

[DaddyTorgo]

mauboy and RA are drawing my notice for the "seemingly uncoordinated" very coordinated swinging of the vote onto me at this point in my eyes.

[Raiders Army]

I think the people who live together should be considered more coordinated than mauboy and myself. C'mon. That is too obvious if we're both wolves.

The other thing is that is a very peculiar thing to say.

[Lathum]

Current vote count


DaddyTorgo 4 ( Mauboy1 90, Raiders Army 91, Farrah 94, render 98 )
RendeR 5 ( Neon Chaos 58, Barkeep 79, JeHeinze 81, Arles 97, Daddytorgo 108 )
Schmidty 2 ( Chiefrum 41, Passacaglia 82)
OlieGirl 1 ( NTNDeacon 54 )
Arles 1 ( Path12 65)
Mauboy1 1 ( Claphamsa 76)
NTNDeacon 1 ( Oliegirl 88 )

No Vote : Schmidty

[RendeR]

mauboy and RA are drawing my notice for the "seemingly uncoordinated" very coordinated swinging of the vote onto me at this point in my eyes.

You might be right, move your vote off me to one of them and I'l join you.

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE RENDER

VOTE MAUBOY

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry...i haven't been sitting in thread so I didn't notice you say that 25 mins ago render

[Raiders Army]

I don't understand this move. RendeR, you're still going to be the leading vote getter and DT and mauboy will be tied. Are you expecting someone else to switch their vote in the next 16 minutes or so?

[Raiders Army]

DT should've gone Schmidty instead of Mauboy to tie it up 4 to 4 votes Schmidty and RendeR.

[Lathum]

Current vote count


DaddyTorgo 4 ( Mauboy1 90, Raiders Army 91, Farrah 94, render 98 )
RendeR 5 ( Neon Chaos 58, Barkeep 79, JeHeinze 81, Arles 97, Daddytorgo 108 )
Schmidty 2 ( Chiefrum 41, Passacaglia 82)
Mauboy1 2 ( Claphamsa 76, DaddyTorgo 113)
OlieGirl 1 ( NTNDeacon 54 )
Arles 1 ( Path12 65)
NTNDeacon 1 ( Oliegirl 88 )

No Vote : Schmidty


15 minutes until deadline
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[DaddyTorgo]

it'd be nice if someone else switched. I think that is what render is hoping happens...

[DaddyTorgo]

DT should've gone Schmidty instead of Mauboy to tie it up 4 to 4 votes Schmidty and RendeR.


that'd be if I had reason to believe that schmidty was evil, which I don't.

[DaddyTorgo]

RendeR appears to have left the building

[DaddyTorgo]

RendeR appears gone...and DT must look out for himself


UNVOTE MAUBOY

VOTE RENDER

[RendeR]

Sorry, busy at work, lets pick someone besides ME people. Sheesh.

[DaddyTorgo]

DaddyTorgo 4 ( Mauboy1 90, Raiders Army 91, Farrah 94, render 98 )
RendeR 5 ( Neon Chaos 58, Barkeep 79, JeHeinze 81, Arles 97, Daddytorgo 108 )
Schmidty 2 ( Chiefrum 41, Passacaglia 82)
Mauboy1 2 ( Claphamsa 76)
OlieGirl 1 ( NTNDeacon 54 )
Arles 1 ( Path12 65)
NTNDeacon 1 ( Oliegirl 88 )

[Raiders Army]

Nice day 1 vote going down to the wire. :)

[DaddyTorgo]

anyone else up for moving? she-rahn? otherwise render and I can't do it ourselves...

[Raiders Army]

You're good right now DT, so why switch at this point?

[Lathum]

5 minutes until deadline

[Raiders Army]

This is making me nervous at this point. If anyone else switches to make a tie, I'm switching to RendeR to ensure the lynch.

[DaddyTorgo]

You're good right now DT, so why switch at this point?


onto you or mauboy? because I think you are more likely evil than render as I said earlier...the fact that you keep asking that has me wondering about YOU though...

[RendeR]

Oh well, this was a quick game =(

[DaddyTorgo]

This is making me nervous at this point. If anyone else switches to make a tie, I'm switching to RendeR to ensure the lynch.

why not switch anyways? to ensure a clean lynch?

[RendeR]

Unvote DT

VOTE RADIERS

[Raiders Army]

I dunno. I don't like switching unless it means something.

[RendeR]

His comments smell like dirty wet dog.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

anyone else up for moving? she-rahn? otherwise render and I can't do it ourselves...

unvote daddytorgo

vote schmidty

[Raiders Army]

Unvote DT

VOTE RADIERS


I don't get this play. It means nothing in the end. You aren't going to save yourself.

[Lathum]

Just a reminder if you have a night action it needs to be in ASAP

[mauchow]

Your defense hasn't convinced me of anything DT, I'll keep as is for now. You've said by far more guilty things than I have. I was the first to vote for you, I believe so I'm not a piler or whatever you want to call it.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't get this play. It means nothing in the end. You aren't going to save yourself.

it's a statement vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

Your defense hasn't convinced me of anything DT, I'll keep as is for now. You've said by far more guilty things than I have. I was the first to vote for you, I believe so I'm not a piler or whatever you want to call it.

howled at any moons lately?

[Raiders Army]

I dunno. I'd try to save myself if I were a villager or a wolf. It's a wedding, so enjoy yourselves!

[DaddyTorgo]

*throws back a beer for brave RendeR*

[Lathum]

deadline. Writeup coming

[Raiders Army]

You know what's weird? I looked at the users viewing this thread and Richard Weed is viewing it. That's me too.

[Lathum]

Final vote count


DaddyTorgo 2 ( Mauboy1 90, Raiders Army 91, )
RendeR 5 ( Neon Chaos 58, Barkeep 79, JeHeinze 81, Arles 97, Daddytorgo 121 )
Schmidty 3 ( Chiefrum 41, Passacaglia 82, farrah 135)
Mauboy1 1 ( Claphamsa 76, )
OlieGirl 1 ( NTNDeacon 54 )
Arles 1 ( Path12 65)
NTNDeacon 1 ( Oliegirl 88 )
Raiders Army 1 ( Render 132

No Vote : Schmidty



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[Lathum]

You all gather in the lobby of the hotel bar for a little pre wedding festivities. The topic quickly becomes someone is out to sabatouge the wedding and you all decide something must be done about it. You all decide it is up to you to vote one person each day and they have to pack their bags and check out.

The talk today shifts to 2 candidates, Render and Daddy Torgo. In the end it is decided Render must go. Storms out of the bar and sceams “ Fine, but I’m returning the food processer!” Render was an ordinary guest. Night results coming.

[finkenst]

i'm viewing it, too. :)

just getting feet wet.

[Lathum]

Right after the vote Schmidty comes stumbling in stinking of Jack Daniels. "Wha' happened" he says. He then stumbles to the bar and yells " Barkeep, gimme a double jack on the rocks" The bartender just looks at him and says " I think not my friend, you're flagged, go sleep it off"

Schmidty looks astonished but stumbles off to his room, muttering something about the mini bar.

[Raiders Army]

huh. Based on today, I'm going to continue to

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Raiders Army]

Right after the vote Schmidty comes stumbling in stinking of Jack Daniels. "Wha' happened" he says. He then stumbles to the bar and yells " Barkeep, gimme a double jack on the rocks" The bartender just looks at him and says " I think not my friend, you're flagged, go sleep it off"

Schmidty looks astonished but stumbles off to his room, muttering something about the mini bar.

Bolded part mine. Just funny, that's all.

[Lathum]

RA, can you please refrain from voting untiol night actions are processed. They will be done shortly

[Lathum]

You all wake up in the morning and head downstairs for breakfast. Halfway through the meal you realize Neon Chaos is missing and suddenly hear a blood curling scream from the hotel. Word spreads quickly that a maid found Neon Chaos still in bed. Unfortunantly for him he was dead.

Day 2 has begun. Deadline 10:00 PM EST Tuesday night.

[path12]

So what's the thing about Schmidty? Is he not able to participate today?

[Lathum]

Just a note, I have class until 9:30 tomorrow so the results may be delayed. The 10:00 deadline is still effective

[mauchow]

So, what was Neon then?

I didn't even realize the night actions took place at the same time practically. Interesting way to go about it, I like it, moves the game along faster.

Anyhow, moving onto the next day.

[mauchow]

howled at any moons lately?
I've never seen anyone so defensive in stages where you really don't need to be defensive.

Of course I've only played this game twice.

[Raiders Army]

RA, can you please refrain from voting untiol night actions are processed. They will be done shortly

Ah sorry. I thought the night actions had been processed since Schmidty had been cut off from the bar.

[Barkeep49]

Well I'm real pleased. I think we got some good information for d1. A close vote is what you have to hope for.

Farah: Why the late switch? What was it about Schmidty that worried you?

[Schmidty]

For some reason, I didn't think the end of day 1 was until tomorrow.

I screwed everything up, and I apologize. I have asked Lathum to withdraw me from the game.

[finkenst]

So, what was Neon then?

I didn't even realize the night actions took place at the same time practically. Interesting way to go about it, I like it, moves the game along faster.

Anyhow, moving onto the next day.

he was a guest.

[DaddyTorgo]

For some reason, I didn't think the end of day 1 was until tomorrow.

I screwed everything up, and I apologize. I have asked Lathum to withdraw me from the game.

relax. You didn't screw everything up. Even if you were the BG or the seer it wouldn't be "screwing everything up."

[Chief Rum]

Well, I normally would be strongly questioning Pass and Farrah about their Schmidty votes after what I said, but considering he didn't end up voting, I can't really say their votes are all that suspicious. I do it find it funny that there was an effort placed to putting a Schmidty-CR dynamic out there, just off of my vote. You guys are freakin' paranoid. ;)

I was trying to figure out the Schmidty drunk thing, and I think it might be because he didn't vote. This is the punishment. Lathum even said that failing to vote gets you cut off from the bar, which is pretty much what happened to Schmidty (albeit it doesn't explain the drunkeness).

Lathum, is Schmidty going to be able to participate on Day Two?

As for the vote, not sure what to read on the back and forths except that there were a ton of them. It wouldn't shock me to find that there were a lot more interesting things going on there, but which won't be clear until later in the game.

In a CR change of schedule, I will be around for the deadline tomorrow after all, but not around Wednesday. My scheduler switched my normal shifts around this week. I will still be out most of the day at my main job, of course. But I will hold off on voting until I after I return.

[Izulde]

Wish I'd gotten in on this one. Looks like fun :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Awwww man............................

I died. :(

[Schmidty]

Ok, I talked to Lathum, and will stay in the game, although I'll be pretty useless tomorrow since I can't vote.

[claphamsa]

Ok..... so a nice start..... (me forgetting the deadline was 10 PM and all)

[Barkeep49]

So Neon was virtually silent this whole game. The only thing of note is that he voted for Render first. Perhaps the wolves were trying to set Render up? If so this would suggest they were not around at deadline to change the kill when it became clear Render was a top candidate.

Alternatively perhaps the wolves wanted to take out a quiet experienced player? Not sure what that suggests about who might be a wolf, but is an equal, if not better, explanation for Neon's death.

[jeheinz72]

Ok..... so a nice start..... (me forgetting the deadline was 10 PM and all)

I presume you're being facetious here...

[jeheinz72]

So Neon was virtually silent this whole game. The only thing of note is that he voted for Render first. Perhaps the wolves were trying to set Render up? If so this would suggest they were not around at deadline to change the kill when it became clear Render was a top candidate.

Alternatively perhaps the wolves wanted to take out a quiet experienced player? Not sure what that suggests about who might be a wolf, but is an equal, if not better, explanation for Neon's death.

Who would you say this points to BK? I ask because A) I'm not sure I like the DT vote potential of the day, B) I'm looking for other candidates and C) I wasn't around late and want to make sure you don't mean me (I'm never around for late deadlines)

[Lathum]

Lathum, is Schmidty going to be able to participate on Day Two?



I'm sorry but I can't answer that

[claphamsa]

I presume you're being facetious here...

not at all, I got to work today, and was gonna see the votes.... and it was over :(

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Farah: Why the late switch? What was it about Schmidty that worried you?

Well at the time I was thinking he was trying to stay under the radar by not posting or voting until very last minute. That made me suspicious.

Now I see he just spaced on the deadline. :)

[Barkeep49]

Well at the time I was thinking he was trying to stay under the radar by not posting or voting until very last minute. That made me suspicious.

Now I see he just spaced on the deadline. :)
I think that's an entirely fair analysis. I feel better about Farrah than most at this point since I don't think a new wolf would have pulled that move and then given that reason.

[Schmidty]

Hey, I made a post earlier, but it's not showing.

Basically, I talked to Lathum, and am back. I won't be of much use today though, since I can't post.

[Barkeep49]

Who would you say this points to BK? I ask because A) I'm not sure I like the DT vote potential of the day, B) I'm looking for other candidates and C) I wasn't around late and want to make sure you don't mean me (I'm never around for late deadlines)
I wasn't around at deadline either so I can't tell you who it might implicate. Anyone have any insight about who WAS here so we can start to suggest who wasn't?

[Passacaglia]

Well, I normally would be strongly questioning Pass and Farrah about their Schmidty votes after what I said, but considering he didn't end up voting, I can't really say their votes are all that suspicious. I do it find it funny that there was an effort placed to putting a Schmidty-CR dynamic out there, just off of my vote. You guys are freakin' paranoid. ;)

I was trying to figure out the Schmidty drunk thing, and I think it might be because he didn't vote. This is the punishment. Lathum even said that failing to vote gets you cut off from the bar, which is pretty much what happened to Schmidty (albeit it doesn't explain the drunkeness).

Lathum, is Schmidty going to be able to participate on Day Two?

As for the vote, not sure what to read on the back and forths except that there were a ton of them. It wouldn't shock me to find that there were a lot more interesting things going on there, but which won't be clear until later in the game.

In a CR change of schedule, I will be around for the deadline tomorrow after all, but not around Wednesday. My scheduler switched my normal shifts around this week. I will still be out most of the day at my main job, of course. But I will hold off on voting until I after I return.

Pretty funny..throw some suspicion on CR, and all of a sudden, he's available on Tuesdays! :p

[Barkeep49]

Hey, I made a post earlier, but it's not showing.

Basically, I talked to Lathum, and am back. I won't be of much use today though, since I can't post.
I moved the post from the other thread into this one.

~BK, YFWWM

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE BARKEEP

I don't like to lead runs on BK on D1. Never works out well.

i don't think i have ever voted this person before, so might as well start now on D1

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

Okay DT...you put a vote on me yesterday, and really only took it off for self-preservation. Are you planning to vote me again?

[mauchow]

I'm working an odd shift today but I'll be home before the deadline comes up. I'll peak in and out throughout the day probably though.

Anyhow, DT still is on my radar for all of his defensive moves. That's where I'm going to start and we'll see what happens throughout the day.

Vote DaddyTorgo

I wish I could be a seer for once. lol

[Barkeep49]

So mauboy is voting for DT because of defensive moves, which seemed to come after he'd already been on the chopping block. What made people suspect him to begin with?

[Raiders Army]

IIRC, mauboy, myself, DT, Farrah and Lathum were in the thread at deadline. That may not be accurate.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE SCHMIDTY

I still feel like he was being protected by CR, plus he didn't get a vote in yesterday. Whether there's a link between them or not, I think CR's actions have put him off the radar in a way, and we should look into that.

[jeheinz72]

I don't know if I'm ready to go for Schmidty, since he's got some form of lesser ability today, plus if we're looking at Schmidty based on CR's actions, why not just vote CR? He's at least around and would be a fair fight.

[Passacaglia]

I don't know if I'm ready to go for Schmidty, since he's got some form of lesser ability today, plus if we're looking at Schmidty based on CR's actions, why not just vote CR? He's at least around and would be a fair fight.

Schmidty's around -- he said he should be able to talk. Like I said, I'm softening on there being a link between Schmidty and CR. But I do think that CR's vote, and comments after it, have made people afraid to vote for Schmidty. I'm taking on the heat to even the playing field.

[mauchow]

So mauboy is voting for DT because of defensive moves, which seemed to come after he'd already been on the chopping block. What made people suspect him to begin with?

Some came before and some came after the fact. His opening statement was a bit silly too where he states he's a werewolf. Obviously a joke but sometimes obvious jokes could trigger some truth.

[Raiders Army]

The reason I voted for DT was just because he was a senior player and he hadn't been voted for yet.

[jeheinz72]

Something about this persons posts aren't sitting right with me. I get the sneaking suspicion DT is being strung up here. I'm not understanding the suspicion on him at all.

Vote Mauboy1

[Barkeep49]

People have been lynched in the past for calling themselves wolves, that is true.

[jeheinz72]

People have been lynched in the past for calling themselves wolves, that is true.

But were they actually wolves? That just seems all too ridiculous.

[jeheinz72]

The reason I voted for DT was just because he was a senior player and he hadn't been voted for yet.

So basically it was random then, is that correct?

[Passacaglia]

Wasn't there a game when DT said he was a wolf, and everyone was like 'yeah right' but then it turned out he was? I don't think he would try that tactic twice.

[Passacaglia]

Hey, I made a post earlier, but it's not showing.

Basically, I talked to Lathum, and am back. I won't be of much use today though, since I can't post.

Just looking back, and saw this. I think when I read it this morning, I thought it said he could post. Makes sense -- I usually don't wake up until after lunch.

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY

[Passacaglia]

Some came before and some came after the fact. His opening statement was a bit silly too where he states he's a werewolf. Obviously a joke but sometimes obvious jokes could trigger some truth.

mauboy, can you explain which defensive moves he made before?

[Raiders Army]

So basically it was random then, is that correct?

Not entirely random. I was going to vote for someone who didn't check in by noon (mountain) yesterady, but everybody had. I then looked at the list of players and didn't want to vote for a new player, so I went randomly with a veteran player who hadn't received a vote.

[Barkeep49]

Wasn't there a game when DT said he was a wolf, and everyone was like 'yeah right' but then it turned out he was? I don't think he would try that tactic twice.
Indeed. And I've pushed hard a couple of games since then against DT when he's made other seemingly stupid remarks. All the other times he's been a villager. So I have given up going after him for it.

[jeheinz72]

Not entirely random. I was going to vote for someone who didn't check in by noon (mountain) yesterady, but everybody had. I then looked at the list of players and didn't want to vote for a new player, so I went randomly with a veteran player who hadn't received a vote.

Ok gotcha, that makes sense. I was just trying to determine if there was an "in-game" reason so-to-speak.

But yeah, I'm not really seeing the DT guilt. At least not enough to carry it over to today, but of course we don't have much no matter how you slice it.

[Raiders Army]

Something about this persons posts aren't sitting right with me. I get the sneaking suspicion DT is being strung up here. I'm not understanding the suspicion on him at all.

Vote Mauboy1

If you think DT is being strung up here, you should take a look at Farrah and Arlie. Also, I voted for DT as well as Mauboy at the same time, so why not choose to lynch me instead of him?

Anyhow, I don't think there was any doubt that RendeR would bite it yesterday, so our votes didn't make that much of a difference. Maybe we should look at who voted for RendeR (a known villager) as opposed to people who voted for an unknown quantity at this point.

In that respect I will
UNVOTE DADDYTORGO

[jeheinz72]

If you think DT is being strung up here, you should take a look at Farrah and Arlie. Also, I voted for DT as well as Mauboy at the same time, so why not choose to lynch me instead of him?

Anyhow, I don't think there was any doubt that RendeR would bite it yesterday, so our votes didn't make that much of a difference. Maybe we should look at who voted for RendeR (a known villager) as opposed to people who voted for an unknown quantity at this point.

In that respect I will
UNVOTE DADDYTORGO

Oh I did consider you. :)
But you've explained yourself (I know it was after my vote for mau) but his whole "triggering the truth" thing caught the alarm.

Yeah, I didn't really consider Farrah she switched, I don't have much of a grasp of her style though so I counted her out.

Why Arlie? He voted RendeR. To me that isn't a death knell (since well, I voted RendeR too). Since I made the mistake I tend to use the thinking "well if I did, it's hard for me to then pin it on someone else for the same vote".

[jeheinz72]

Maybe we should look at who voted for RendeR (a known villager) as opposed to people who voted for an unknown quantity at this point.



I voted for RendeR. Looks like it was

Me
Neon - Dead
BK
Arles
DT

DT's was self-preservation, so count him out.
BK was the 2nd vote, I'm sure he'll 'splain himself

My vote was to push the action. IIRC I made it 3-1-1-1... (or 3-2-1-1-1...)
Basically I wanted to force either
A) No action, meaning RendeR was likely innocent
or
B) Action on other players in an effort to "save" RendeR.

We really didn't get either. It kind of band-wagoned a bit and no other likely candidate emerged.

[Raiders Army]

Random vote. The CR / Schmidty thing is too much of a stretch for me to actually think the Wolves are scheming that elaborately on day 1.

Vote Render
Ok someone has to be the one to do it and I think his vote on me, and the time of the day, is as good of a reason as any to vote Render.

Unvote Chief
Vote Render
Well, I'm about to split (20 minutes) and won't be back until morning. This spread is insane and so I'll push the issue

Unvote path12
Vote RendeR
vote RendeR
UNVOTE PASS

VOTE RENDER


RendeR appears gone...and DT must look out for himself


UNVOTE MAUBOY

VOTE RENDER

Here are the votes on RendeR. Nothing appears to be "bad". The only questionable vote that I see is Arlie's vote which offers no explanation.

[Raiders Army]

Why Arlie? He voted RendeR. To me that isn't a death knell (since well, I voted RendeR too). Since I made the mistake I tend to use the thinking "well if I did, it's hard for me to then pin it on someone else for the same vote".

For some reason I thought he voted for DT. My mistake. In looking back on the votes, he voted for RendeR. I'm hoping that he'll come on today and explain his vote.

[Barkeep49]

I find jh's vote the most suspicous frankly. When he voted Render was the only person with two votes. By adding a 3rd vote at that time I feel like he wasn't forcing the issue so much as putting the nail in the coffin. So let's kick things off that way.

Vote jeheinz

[jeheinz72]

I find jh's vote the most suspicous frankly. When he voted Render was the only person with two votes. By adding a 3rd vote at that time I feel like he wasn't forcing the issue so much as putting the nail in the coffin. So let's kick things off that way.

Vote jeheinz

Nah.

I ask you, what's better from my standpoint (as someone who at the time was about to leave and not return until post deadline)? Here were my options, as I see/saw them:

1. I leave my vote as is (a 1-off vote for path12)
2. Move it to someone with 1 vote on them (making it 2-2-1's)
3. Move it to RendeR and see if there was an effort to save (or no further effort to lynch)

In my mind, the smart move for me was the last one. It's the one that's in the best interests of the weddingIf was going to still be around, I wouldn't have done it (at least not at that juncture). #1 doesn't get us any more info (and would likely still get RendeR lynched) and #2 just creates more confusion.

[Passacaglia]

JE, my thinking was the same as BK's about this -- in fact, I pretty much said so right after you voted. I'm just wondering -- what do you think we learned from this, then?

[jeheinz72]

JE, my thinking was the same as BK's about this -- in fact, I pretty much said so right after you voted. I'm just wondering -- what do you think we learned from this, then?

Well, I never said it worked all that well, but it was my "plan" ;)

Basically I figured by making RendeR the lead vote-getter we'd see (or I was hoping we'd see) one of two things

- Lots of votes for one other candidate in an effort to "save" RendeR
- Lots of pile-on votes to seal the deal (pointing to pile'r on'ers as wolves)

What we saw was

- Pass voted Schmidty (2nd vote for him)
- Olie voted NTN (1st vote, TENTH person to get a vote on Day one)
- Mau switching to DT (ELEVENTH person to get 1 vote)
- RA voted DT 1 minute later (2 votes for DT now)
- RendeR switching to DT (3 votes, but this we know was self-pres.)

The last three all happened within a half an hour as a real push which made it 4-4-2 (DT, RendeR, Schmidty) with under an hour to go.

Hence my vote of Mau and my question toward RA.

[path12]

Wasn't there a game when DT said he was a wolf, and everyone was like 'yeah right' but then it turned out he was? I don't think he would try that tactic twice.

Why not? If something works keep it in the arsenal.

[path12]

FWIW, here's the sequence of votes/unvotes yesterday. Forgive the lack of style.

41 -- CR votes Schmidty (Sch 1)
47 -- JEH votes path (Sch 1, path 1)
53 -- BK votes CR (Sch, path & CR 1)
54 -- ntn votes Olie (Sch, path, CR & Olie 1)
58 -- Neon votes Render (sch, path, cr, olie & ren 1)
63 -- DT votes BK (sch, path, cr, olie, ren & bk 1)
65 -- path votes Arles (sch, path, cr, olie, ren, bk & arles 1)
67 -- mau votes Farrah (sch, path, cr, olie, ren, bk, arles, farrah 1)
70 -- Render votes BK (BK 2; sch, path, cr, olie, ren, arles, farrah 1)
72 -- DT UNVOTES BK, votes Pass (sch, path, cr, olie, ren, bk, arles, farrah, pass 1)
76 -- Clap vites mau! ;) (sch, path, cr, olie, ren, bk, arles, farrah, pass, mau 1)
79 -- BK UNVOTES CR, votes Render (Ren 2; sch, path, olie, bk, arles, farrah, pass, mau 1)
81 -- JEH UNVOTES path, votes Render (Ren 3, sch, olie, bk, arles, farrah, pass, mau 1)
82 -- Pass votes Schmidty (Ren 3; Sch 2; olie, bk, arles, farrah, pass, mau 1)
88 -- Olie votes ntn (Ren 3; Sch 2; olie, bk, arles, farrah, pass, mau, ntn 1)
90 -- mau UNVOTES Farrah, votes DT (Ren 3; Sch 2, olie, bk, arles, pass, mau, ntn, dt 1)
91 -- Raiders votes DT (Ren 3; Sch, DT 2; olie, bk, arles, pass, mau, ntn 1)
1 hour until deadline
94 -- Farrah votes DT (Ren, DT 3; Sch 2; olie, bk, arles, pass, mau, ntn 1)
97 -- Arles votes Render (Ren 4; DT 3; Sch 2; olie, bk, arles, pass, mau, ntn 1)
98 -- Render UNVOTES BK, votes DT (Ren, DT 4; Sch 2, olie, arles, pass, mau, ntn 1)
108 -- DT UNVOTES Pass, votes Render (Ren 5; DT 4; Sch 2, olie, arles, mau, ntn 1)
113 -- DT UNVOTES Render, votes mau (Ren, DT 4; Sch, mau 2; olie, arles, ntn 1)
121 -- DT UNVOTES mau, votes Render (Ren 5; DT 4; Sch 2; olie, arles, mau, ntn 1)
5 min until deadline
132 -- Render UNVOTES DT, votes Raiders (Ren 5; DT 3; Sch 2; olie, arles, mau, ntn, ra 1)
135 -- Farrah UNVOTES DT, votes Schmidty (Ren 5; Sch 3; DT 2; olie, arles, mau, ntn, ra 1)

I'm not sure if there's anything in there or not, but I'm gonna try to find something anyway. ;)

[Barkeep49]

Why not? If something works keep it in the arsenal.
See 195 for my response. Speaking personally I'm just sick of being wrong about it and killing off a villager. YMMV.

[Barkeep49]

76 -- Clap vites mau! ;)

Clap sure is emphatic in his viting.

[Passacaglia]

Well, I never said it worked all that well, but it was my "plan" ;)

Basically I figured by making RendeR the lead vote-getter we'd see (or I was hoping we'd see) one of two things

- Lots of votes for one other candidate in an effort to "save" RendeR
- Lots of pile-on votes to seal the deal (pointing to pile'r on'ers as wolves)

What we saw was

- Pass voted Schmidty (2nd vote for him)
- Olie voted NTN (1st vote, TENTH person to get a vote on Day one)
- Mau switching to DT (ELEVENTH person to get 1 vote)
- RA voted DT 1 minute later (2 votes for DT now)
- RendeR switching to DT (3 votes, but this we know was self-pres.)

The last three all happened within a half an hour as a real push which made it 4-4-2 (DT, RendeR, Schmidty) with under an hour to go.

Hence my vote of Mau and my question toward RA.

But your whole argument seems to rest on the idea that RendeR is a wolf. Otherwise, attempts to save him aren't wolfish. Right? And you're looking at mau and RA, because they made attempts to save a known villager? Today's been a hectic day at work, so I'm not thinking that clearly, but it sounds like you're living in opposite land. What am I missing?

[path12]

Clap sure is emphatic in his viting.

Indied.

[jeheinz72]

But your whole argument seems to rest on the idea that RendeR is a wolf. Otherwise, attempts to save him aren't wolfish. Right? And you're looking at mau and RA, because they made attempts to save a known villager? Today's been a hectic day at work, so I'm not thinking that clearly, but it sounds like you're living in opposite land. What am I missing?

Yeah, that's the premise, to *find out* if RendeR is a wolf. I mean it's Day One, we have no info, we gotta take our shot somewhere, right?

I see what you are saying on Mau and RA, but like I said, I know I'm innocent so I'm not inclined to follow the "These people voted for RendeR, let's string them up next" line of thinking.

Mau pinged my radar with his "triggering truthiness" comment (or whatever it was). So I checked him out. He had his vote on Farrah and then with no comment flips to DT and within a half hour DT has 4 votes on him. That seems odd to me. It's all I can see so far to work with here today. The voters on RendeR are:

BK
DT
Me
Arles
Neon

I dunno about BK, or at least I don't know enough to throw a vote his way today.

I'm figuring we were villager v villager last night (hence the spread), hence I'm not looking at DT.

I'm of course not voting for myself.

I've never played with Arles before, and he has no substantive contribution thus far, so I'm not wasting a vote there.

Neon is dead.

[path12]

See 195 for my response. Speaking personally I'm just sick of being wrong about it and killing off a villager. YMMV.

I've done the same thing. Actually, if I was a seer he'd have been my view last night, I'm assuming he'll be checked at some point.

[Barkeep49]

See I don't think his premise is vested on the idea that Render is a wolf. Don't forget that wolves know who the humans are. So at times a wolf will "save" a villager, condemning another villager, saying "X doesn't feel like a wolf and since Y is the only other choice I'm voting Y" late in the day. This didn't play out this way here but I do think it's worth noting.

Still think it was a bad plan though which is why my vote remains here it is.

[mauchow]

I'll be able to post more later, but I'm at work. I apologize big time to not be able to contribute right now.

[Arles]

FWIW, here's the sequence of votes/unvotes yesterday. Forgive the lack of style.
94 -- Farrah votes DT (Ren, DT 3; Sch 2; olie, bk, arles, pass, mau, ntn 1)
97 -- Arles votes Render (Ren 4; DT 3; Sch 2; olie, bk, arles, pass, mau, ntn 1)

Timing and being on a PDA pretty much explains my vote. When I logged on, I had one vote and DT and Ren had 3. It made sense to vote for one of the 3-vote guys to ensure I didn't get voted off. So, it was a toss-up between DT and RendeR. Given I saw Farrah voted for DT, I didn't want to vote for him as well and make everyone think we were working together, so I chose RendeR.

[path12]

What I find most curious is Renders unvote of DT late to make it a two vote margin. All he needed was one late switch to at least tie it up (do we know the tiebreaker procedure?) I would be much more suspicious of Farrah's late move off DT otherwise.

I don't see much in the initial DT run -- I can't imagine wolves on day 1 going three in a row to off someone.

Arles was the vote that doomed Render, and I'd like to know why he decided to vote that way.

All in all though, there were a lot of places for wolves to hide in yesterday's voting. I'd imagine they spread their votes out with just one on Render.

[path12]

And there's my answer from Arlie. Ain't crossposting fun?

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, that's the premise, to *find out* if RendeR is a wolf. I mean it's Day One, we have no info, we gotta take our shot somewhere, right?

I see what you are saying on Mau and RA, but like I said, I know I'm innocent so I'm not inclined to follow the "These people voted for RendeR, let's string them up next" line of thinking.

Mau pinged my radar with his "triggering truthiness" comment (or whatever it was). So I checked him out. He had his vote on Farrah and then with no comment flips to DT and within a half hour DT has 4 votes on him. That seems odd to me. It's all I can see so far to work with here today. The voters on RendeR are:

BK
DT
Me
Arles
Neon

I dunno about BK, or at least I don't know enough to throw a vote his way today.

I'm figuring we were villager v villager last night (hence the spread), hence I'm not looking at DT.

I'm of course not voting for myself.

I've never played with Arles before, and he has no substantive contribution thus far, so I'm not wasting a vote there.

Neon is dead.


I think you're going about this the wrong way. I agree that if RendeR was a villager (which he was), then we can assume that wolves would pile on. I'd think we can look at those who avoided piling on as pretty well trusted -- that is, people who placed votes after you, but not on RendeR. Looking at people who did vote RendeR on your list, I give DT a pass for self-defense, BK a pass for that as well (plus it definitely wasn't a pile-on, since it was only the 2nd vote on him). That leaves you and Arlie. Arlie's vote really can't be called a pile-on: it was 3-3 when he voted to make it 4-3. If any vote was a pile-on, it was yours, since you made it go from 2-11111111 to 3-111111111. I tried to bring us to two candidates immediately following, but you've got to see why that looks like a pile-on. I understand the plan, but you have to understand how it looks now to the rest of us! :)

[jeheinz72]

Oh I definitely understand how it looks, I know it was somewhat risky when we did it. I was just hoping we'd learn more than we eventually did. But yeah, I'm not shocked BK gave me a vote, I pretty much expected a little heat today when I saw RendeR was innocent.

I mainly want to explain my line of thinking behind why I did what I did. The fact remains I know I'm innocent, it's just my job to convince the rest of you that I am too.

[Barkeep49]

In case people didn't understand why I've voted for JH, Pass does a nice job of explaining it in his post.

[Passacaglia]

Oh I definitely understand how it looks, I know it was somewhat risky when we did it. I was just hoping we'd learn more than we eventually did. But yeah, I'm not shocked BK gave me a vote, I pretty much expected a little heat today when I saw RendeR was innocent.

I mainly want to explain my line of thinking behind why I did what I did. The fact remains I know I'm innocent, it's just my job to convince the rest of you that I am too.

Right. Is that what the attack on mauboy was about, then?

[Passacaglia]

In case people didn't understand why I've voted for JH, Pass does a nice job of explaining it in his post.

Thanks! Now I just need to figure out if it's enough to convince me.

[Barkeep49]

I'll be able to post more later, but I'm at work. I apologize big time to not be able to contribute right now.
Don't worry about it. Contribute when you can.

Timing and being on a PDA pretty much explains my vote. When I logged on, I had one vote and DT and Ren had 3. It made sense to vote for one of the 3-vote guys to ensure I didn't get voted off. So, it was a toss-up between DT and RendeR. Given I saw Farrah voted for DT, I didn't want to vote for him as well and make everyone think we were working together, so I chose RendeR.

This is a very reasonable explanation to me and kind of what I guess given the circumstances.

[jeheinz72]

I'd think we can look at those who avoided piling on as pretty well trusted -- that is, people who placed votes after you, but not on RendeR.

Touching on this point, the people you would look at then are those that voted before me, me and Arles (though you said you aren't looking there). Taking out BK, Neon, RendeR

41 -- CR votes Schmidty (Sch 1)
54 -- ntn votes Olie (Sch, path, CR & Olie 1)
65 -- path votes Arles (sch, path, cr, olie, ren, bk & arles 1)
76 -- Clap vites mau! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/wink.gif (sch, path, cr, olie, ren, bk, arles, farrah, pass, mau 1)

...in then addition to me.

[jeheinz72]

Right. Is that what the attack on mauboy was about, then?

Attack is a bit strong, but yeah, Mau is the next person I'd be looking at.

I definitely wouldn't say I'm "sold" on him at all. But the fact is we need to get some votes going, I'm more than willing to kickoff a line a thinking to see where it leads (I leave at 6 mind you, so I can't wait around until closer to the deadline, I need my info now to make an educated decision as best I can). Maybe it leads nowhere (as is looking like the case), maybe his comment popped up on a couple other people's radars, either way, we need to flesh this out.

[Passacaglia]

Touching on this point, the people you would look at then are those that voted before me, me and Arles (though you said you aren't looking there). Taking out BK, Neon, RendeR

41 -- CR votes Schmidty (Sch 1)
54 -- ntn votes Olie (Sch, path, CR & Olie 1)
65 -- path votes Arles (sch, path, cr, olie, ren, bk & arles 1)
76 -- Clap vites mau! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/wink.gif (sch, path, cr, olie, ren, bk, arles, farrah, pass, mau 1)

...in then addition to me.

Thanks for that research. That again brings me to -- why did you attack the vitten one (mauboy)?

[Passacaglia]

Attack is a bit strong, but yeah, Mau is the next person I'd be looking at.

I definitely wouldn't say I'm "sold" on him at all. But the fact is we need to get some votes going, I'm more than willing to kickoff a line a thinking to see where it leads (I leave at 6 mind you, so I can't wait around until closer to the deadline, I need my info now to make an educated decision as best I can). Maybe it leads nowhere (as is looking like the case), maybe his comment popped up on a couple other people's radars, either way, we need to flesh this out.

Then why not pick your favorite of CR, ntn, path, or clap? Sorry about the use of the word attack again -- but whatever, why vote for mau over these guys?

[jeheinz72]

Thanks for that research. That again brings me to -- why did you attack the vitten one (mauboy)?

Hey, this is your theory, not mine. My reasoning for voting Mau still stands (the strange comment Re:DT, the strange switch from Farrah to DT).

I was just showing you your list. ;)

Do you see my point on Mau at all, or do you think those two things are nothing?

[jeheinz72]

Then why not pick your favorite of CR, ntn, path, or clap? Sorry about the use of the word attack again -- but whatever, why vote for mau over these guys?

I said those are the people "you" would look at then, not me. I don't see anything warranting a vote for those 4 yet. Could a wolf linger in there, sure, anything is possible at this point, but I'd have no idea on where to begin on determining that now.

[Passacaglia]

Hey, this is your theory, not mine. My reasoning for voting Mau still stands (the strange comment Re:DT, the strange switch from Farrah to DT).

I was just showing you your list. ;)

Do you see my point on Mau at all, or do you think those two things are nothing?

Looking back, I think I see what you mean. Since Farrah put in a vote for DT later on, you mean? Are you suspecting that mau's vote on Farrah was to bury a vote on a wolf, but then he felt like he needed to move his vote...in order to save RendeR? Why would he do that?

I'm not sure what you mean about his strange comment about DT, either. Is it the one where he accuses DT, because DT claimed to be a wolf?

[claphamsa]

vite mau again.....

[jeheinz72]

Yeah I think we're at about the point where we need to consolidate. I think I'm pretty willing to consolidate onto Render after his vote for me.

Ya know, I was reading back to fetch the Mau quote Pass asked for and this caught my eye.

BK, you were ok with consolidating your vote but then I do it to and it's not ok?

I"m not aiming to move my vote to you, yet, but I'd like to hear what you have to say about this.

[jeheinz72]

Pass - these are the quotes:

I'm working an odd shift today but I'll be home before the deadline comes up. I'll peak in and out throughout the day probably though.

Anyhow, DT still is on my radar for all of his defensive moves. That's where I'm going to start and we'll see what happens throughout the day.

Vote DaddyTorgo

I wish I could be a seer for once. lol

Some came before and some came after the fact. His opening statement was a bit silly too where he states he's a werewolf. Obviously a joke but sometimes obvious jokes could trigger some truth.

[Passacaglia]

Pass - these are the quotes:

Thanks for refreshing my memory. I even responded to that second quote, and was waiting for an answer.

[oliegirl]

I have no idea where I'm voting yet...been following along most of the day (while I try to keep my 'roided out son from climbing the walls). I'll be gone for a little while but back long before deadline to catch up and figure out where I'll be voting...

[jeheinz72]

Here's what I have on votes

Mau: 2 (jeheinz72, claphamsa)
DT: 1 (Mauboy)
jeheinz72: 1 (BK)

[Barkeep49]

Ya know, I was reading back to fetch the Mau quote Pass asked for and this caught my eye.

BK, you were ok with consolidating your vote but then I do it to and it's not ok?

I"m not aiming to move my vote to you, yet, but I'd like to hear what you have to say about this.
I am. You created a runaway situation. A second vote on someone else would have been a consolidation.

[Lathum]

Is there anyone who can keep track of the votes. I have class tonight and if the vote count is done for me it would speed things up considerably.

[DaddyTorgo]

first time i've had a chance to check in all day...don't even know if i'm on the block or not...lemme try to catch up

[DaddyTorgo]

Pass - I have no intention of voting for you again today

[DaddyTorgo]

Indeed. And I've pushed hard a couple of games since then against DT when he's made other seemingly stupid remarks. All the other times he's been a villager. So I have given up going after him for it.

I don't make stupid remarks BK. I'm a cunning, calculating player, whether for good or for evil. Plots within plots you see :D .

[Barkeep49]

I don't make stupid remarks BK. I'm a cunning, calculating player, whether for good or for evil. Plots within plots you see :D .
I did say SEEMINGLY stupid. :)

[DaddyTorgo]

I've done the same thing. Actually, if I was a seer he'd have been my view last night, I'm assuming he'll be checked at some point.

damm...i'm honored path. if i was scanned, the seer can vouch for me later if/when the time comes for reveal. NOT NOW

Yeah, that's the premise, to *find out* if RendeR is a wolf. I mean it's Day One, we have no info, we gotta take our shot somewhere, right?

I see what you are saying on Mau and RA, but like I said, I know I'm innocent so I'm not inclined to follow the "These people voted for RendeR, let's string them up next" line of thinking.

Mau pinged my radar with his "triggering truthiness" comment (or whatever it was). So I checked him out. He had his vote on Farrah and then with no comment flips to DT and within a half hour DT has 4 votes on him. That seems odd to me. It's all I can see so far to work with here today. The voters on RendeR are:

BK
DT
Me
Arles
Neon

I dunno about BK, or at least I don't know enough to throw a vote his way today.

I'm figuring we were villager v villager last night (hence the spread), hence I'm not looking at DT.

I'm of course not voting for myself.

I've never played with Arles before, and he has no substantive contribution thus far, so I'm not wasting a vote there.

Neon is dead.

i see what jh was trying to do, and he also nicely summarized what it was about mau that had me going "WHA?!!?"

[DaddyTorgo]

more later. heading out of the office in 9 minutes

[jeheinz72]

I am. You created a runaway situation. A second vote on someone else would have been a consolidation.

I get your point.

I'd say that's a mighty fine line in the sand for you to essentially say "I'm over here on the good side, and you're over there on the bad side" but that's neither here nor there at this point.

[Raiders Army]

Just thinking about the votes on RendeR: What if the wolves saw that RendeR was the leading vote getter after jeheinz voted for him? Wouldn't it make sense for them to spread out their votes on other people at that point? I think from a gameplay perspective, I'd look at the people who voted for other people after jeheinz voted. Those people would be:

Pass
oliegirl
mau
Raiders Army
Farrah
Arlie

Of course RendeR and DT switched votes but I think that RendeR is cleared and Daddy Torgo had already voted.

[jeheinz72]

I think what you say makes some sense RA. Who do you like off that list? Obviously I'm still on mau.

I'm splitting in 35 minutes for the day, anyone got any thoughts? Kinda dead here today.

[Passacaglia]

Just thinking about the votes on RendeR: What if the wolves saw that RendeR was the leading vote getter after jeheinz voted for him? Wouldn't it make sense for them to spread out their votes on other people at that point? I think from a gameplay perspective, I'd look at the people who voted for other people after jeheinz voted. Those people would be:

Pass
oliegirl
mau
Raiders Army
Farrah
Arlie

Of course RendeR and DT switched votes but I think that RendeR is cleared and Daddy Torgo had already voted.

To respond to this on my own behalf, I voted to avoid this scenario. I saw a possible runaway forming, and voted to get us two candidates to look at. I was sitting there trying to think of who to give a 2nd vote to already, when the 3rd vote on RendeR happened. So I stopped pondering, and just went with something as fast as I could. I was thinking of both CR and Schmidty, and I explained why I went with Schmidty (he was the only one of the two who already had a vote on him, so he would have a better shot of beating RendeR than CR would, plus people were against the idea of me voting for CR when he was out).

[Raiders Army]

Obviously I don't think I'm voting for me. ;)

I'm just throwing out that idea. Based on that list, I'd lean towards Pass, olie, or mau. Also, based on the conversations above I see a convergence on mau. Shurg. I could lean that way.