Historical Nation Draft

[larrymcg421]

Round 1

1. Apathetic Lurker - Sun Tzu, Army Chief, China, Pre-20th
2. surtt - Julius Cesar, Leader/Ruler, Italy, pre-20th
3. Abe Sargent - Alexander the Great, Army Chief, Greece, pre-20th
4. Barkeep49 - Adam Smith, Economist, Great Britain, Pre-20th
5. Noop - Oil Fields of Saudi Arabia, Geographical Location, Saudi Arabia, Pre-20th
6. Izulde - Manfred "The Red Baron" von Richthofen, Air Chief, Germany, 20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - Jesus Christ, Religious Leader, Israel, Pre-20th
8. DaddyTorgo - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, 20th Century
9. ntndeacon - Horatio Nelson, Navy Chief, Great Britain, pre-20th century
10. Danny - Muhammad, Religious Leader, Saudi Arabia, pre-20th
11. Galaril - Abraham Lincoln, Leader/Ruler, United States, Pre-20th
12. Lathum - Nelson Mandela, Civil Rights, South Africa, 20th

Round 2

1. Lathum - Leonardo Da Vinci, Artist, Italy, pre-20th
2. Galaril - Dwight D. Eisenhower, Army Chief, United States, 20th
3. Danny - Mahatma Ghandi, Civil Rights Leader, India, 20th
4. ntndeacon - Karl Marx, Economist, Germany, pre-20th
5. DaddyTorgo - John Kenneth Galbraith, Economist, United States, 20th
6. Coffee Warlord - Albert Einstein, Scientist, Germany, 20th
7. Izulde - Jim Brown, Athlete, United States, 20th
8. Noop - King Solomon, Justice Minister, Israel, Pre-20th
9. Barkeep49 - John Glenn, Air Chief, United States, 20th
10. Abe Sargent - Marco Polo, Chief Diplomat, Italy, Pre-20th
11. surtt - Napoleon Bonaparte, Army Chief, France, pre-20th
12. Apathetic Lurker - Josef Stalin, Leader/Ruler, Russia, 20th

Round 3

1. Apathetic Lurker - Sir Arthur Harris, Air Chief, Great Britain, 20th
2. surtt - Dalai Lama, Religious Leader, China, Post-20th
3. Abe Sargent - Siddhartha Buddha, India, Religious Leader, Pre20th
4. Barkeep49 - Ghengis Khan, Millitary Leader, Mongolia, Pre-20th
5. Noop - Imhotep, Scientist, Egypt, Pre-20th
6. Izulde - Otto von Bismarck, Chief Diplomat, Germany, Pre-20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - William Shakespeare, Artist, England, Pre 20th
8. DaddyTorgo - John Marshall, Justice Minister, American, Pre-20th Century
9. ntndeacon - Theodore Roosevelt, Chief Diplomat, United States, 20th century
10. Danny - Aristotle, Scientist, Greece, Pre-20th
11. Galaril - Ben Franklin, Scientist - America, Pre 20th Century
12. Lathum - John Paul Jones, Naval Chief, United States, Pre-20th century

Round 4

1. Lathum - William Wallace, Army Chief, Great Britain, Pre-20th
2. Galaril - John Stuart Mills, Civil Rights Leader, Great Britain, Pre-20th
3. Danny - Adolph Hitler, Leader/Ruler - Germany, 20th century
4. ntndeacon - Tobias Michael Carel Asser, Justice Minister, The Netherlands, 20th century
5. DaddyTorgo - Isaac Newton, Scientist, United Kingdom, Pre-20th Century
6. Coffee Warlord - Charlemagne, Leader/Ruler, France, Pre-20th
7. Izulde - Hammurabi, Justice Minister, Iraq, Pre-20th Century
8. Noop - Pele, Athlete, Brazil, 20th Century
9. Barkeep49 - Moses, Justice Minister, Egypt, Pre-20th
10. Abe Sargent - Mother Theresa, Civil Rights Activist, Albania, 20th
11. surtt - Louis Pasteur, Scientist, France, Pre-20th
12. Apathetic Lurker - Ibn Khaldoun, Economist, Tunisia, Pre-20th century

Round 5

1. Apathetic Lurker - Simon Bolivar, Civil Rights, Venezuela, Pre-20th Century
2. surtt - Sir Winston Churchill, Diplomat, UK, Post-20
3. Abe Sargent - Tōgō Heihachirō, Japan, Navy Chief, 20th
4. Barkeep49 - Marie Curie, Poland, Scientist, 20th Century
5. Noop - King David, Leader, Israel, Pre-20th Century
6. Izulde - Confucius, Civil Rights Leader, China, Pre-20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - Erwin Rommel, Army Leader, Germany, Post 20th
8. DaddyTorgo - Mordechai Hod, Air Force Leader, Israel, 20th Century
9. ntndeacon - Attilla the Hun, Army Chief, Hungary, pre-20th century
10. Danny - Pope John Paul II, Chief Diplomat, Poland, 20th century
11. Galaril - Darius the Great, Iran , Justice Minister, Pre 20th century
12. Lathum - Great Wall of China, Manmade structure, China, pre-20th

Round 6

1. Lathum - Yuri Gagarin, Air Chief, Russia, 20th
2. Galaril - Pablo Picasso, Artist, Spain 20th
3. Danny - Alfred Hitchcock, Artist, United States, 20th century
4. ntndeacon - Alberto Santos, Dumont, Air Chief, Brazil, 20th century
5. DaddyTorgo - Geographical Location - Fertile Crescent, Iraq, Pre-20th Century
6. Coffee Warlord - Anthony Fokker, Air Chief, Netherlands, 20th Century
7. Izulde - Galileo Galilei - Scientist - Italy - Pre-20th Century
8. Noop - James Joyce, Artist, Ireland, 20th Century
9. Barkeep49 - Tallyrand, Diplomat, France, Pre-20th Century
10. Abe Sargent - John Locke, Justice Minister, UK, Pre20th
11. surtt - Lech Walesa, Civil Rights Activist, Poland, 20th Century
12. Apathetic Lurker - En Hedu' Anna, Artist, Iraq, pre-20th century

Round 7

1. Apathetic Lurker - Ibn al-haytham, Scientist, Iraq, Pre-20th century
2. surtt - Billy Bishop, Air Chief, Canada, 20th Century
3. Abe Sargent - Sergey Korolyov, Air Chief, Ukraine, 20th
4. Barkeep49 - Daw Aung San Suu Kyi Civil Rights Activist, Burma, 20th Century
5. Noop - Saladin, Army Chief, Egypt, Pre-20th
6. Izulde - Mt. Everest, Geographic Location, China, 20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - Socrates, Justice Minister, Greece, Pre-20th
8. DaddyTorgo - Klemens Wenzel, Prince von Metternich, Chief Diplomat Austria, Pre-20th Century
9. ntndeacon - Great Pryamid at Giza-Man Made Structure, Egypt, pre 20th century
10. Danny - Isoroku Yamamoto, Air Chief, Japan, 20th
11. Galaril - Mikhail Gorbachev, Diplomat, Russia, 20th
12. Lathum - Mao Zedung, Leader/Ruler, China, 20th

Round 8

1. Lathum - Roger Bannister, Athlete, United Kingdom, 20th
2. Galaril - Statue of Liberty, Manmade Structure, USA, Pre-20th
3. Danny - Wayne Gretzky, Athlete, Canada, Post 20th century
4. ntndeacon - Diego Maradona-Athlete-Argentina-20th century
5. DaddyTorgo - Martin Luther, Religious Leader, Germany, Pre-20th Century
6. Coffee Warlord - Yasser Arafat, Diplomat, Egypt, 20th
7. Izulde - Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar - Military Chief - Spain - Pre-20th Century
8. Noop - Saint Augustine - Religious Leader - Algeria- Pre20th Century
9. Barkeep - Yi Sun-sin Naval Chief Korea Pre-20th
10. Abe - Sigmund Freud, Scientist, Austria, 20th
11. Surtt - Vincent van Gogh, Artist, Netherlands, Pre-20th
12. Apathetic Lurker - Karl Doenitz, Naval Chief, Germany 20th

Round 9

1. Apathetic Lurker - British Isles, Geographic Location, UK, 20th
2. Surtt - Panama Canal, Man made Structure, Panama, Post-20th
3. Abe - Miyamoto Musashi, Athelete, Japan, Pre20th
4. Barkeep - Sulieman the Magnificent Turkey Ruler/Leader Pre-20th Century
5. Noop - Xiao Gang - Economist - China - 20th Century
6. Izulde - Satoru Iwata - Economist - Japan - 20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - Henry Morgan, Navy Chief, Jamaica, Pre-20th
8. DaddyTorgo - Themistocles, Naval Chief, Greece, Pre-20th century
9. ntndeacon - Niels Bohr-Scientist-Denmark-20th century
10. Danny - Friedrich Hayek, Economist - Austria, 20th century
11. Galaril - Peter I The Great, Naval Commander-Russia, pre-20th century
12. Lathum - Great Barrier Reef, Geographical Location, Australia- 20th Century

Round 10

1. Lathum - Religous Leader- Joseph Smith- Pre 20th Century, USA?
2. Galaril - Saint Patrick, Religious Leader - Ireland(UK), Pre-20th century
3. Danny - Michiel de Ruyter, Naval Commander - Netherlands, Pre-20th Century
4. ntndeacon - Chi'ang Kai-shek --- Leader/Ruler---Taiwan---20th Century
5. DaddyTorgo - Jawaharlal Nehru, Ruler/Leader, India, 20th Century
6. Coffee Warlord - Henri Dunant, Civil Rights Leader, Switzerland, 20th Century
7. Izulde - Queen Isabella - Ruler/Leader - Spain - Pre-20th Century
8. Noop - Alonso Pérez de Guzmán - Navy Chief - Spain - pre 20th
9. Barkeep - Nadia Elena Comăneci Romania Athlete 20th Century
10. Abe - Sydney Opera House, Manmade Structure, Australia, 20th
11. Surtt - Ferdinand Magellan, Navy Chief, Portugal, Pre-20
12. Apathetic Lurker - Pierre Fredy (Baron de Coubertin), Athlete, France, pre 20th

Round 11

1. Apathetic Lurker - Zarathustra, Religious Leader, Iran, pre 20th
2. Surtt - Charles Ponzi, Economist, Italy, Post-20
3. Abe - Michelangelo, artist, Vatican, pre-20th
4. Barkeep - Diego Rivera Artist Mexico 20th Century
5. Noop - Harriet Tubman - Civil Rights - Canada - 20th
6. Izulde - Robert de La Salle - Navy Chief - France - Pre-20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - Carl Menger, Economist, Poland, 20th
8. DaddyTorgo - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Artist, Austria, Pre-20th
9. ntndeacon - Guru Nanak Dev--Religious leader--Pakistan--pre 20th century
10. Danny - Amazon Rain Forest, Geographical Location - Brazil, Pre 20th Century
11. Galaril - Joseph Schumpeter,Economist, Moria (Czech Rep.)-Post 20th
12. Lathum - Bono, Chief Diplomat, Ireland, 20th Century

Round 12

1. Lathum - Chanakya, Economist, India, pre-20th
2. Galaril - Captain Rene Fronck, Air Chief, France, 20th
3. Danny - The Colosseum, Man Made Structure - Italy, Pre 20th Century
4. ntndeacon - Andrei Sakarov, Civil Rights Activist, Russia, 20th Century
5. DaddyTorgo - Hannibal Barca, Army Chief, Tunisia, Pre-20th century
6. Coffee Warlord - The Colossus, Manmade Structure, Greece, Pre-20th
7. Izulde - Vladimir Nabokov - Artist - Russia - 20th Century
8. Noop - Internet - Man made Structure - England - 20th Century
9. Barkeep - American Heartland, Geographical Locaion, USA, 20th Century
10. Abe - The Nile, Geographical Location, Egypt, 20th
11. Surtt - Justinian I, Justice Minister, Turkey, Pre-20
12. Apathetic Lurker - Carl Gustaf Mannerheim, Chief Diplomat,

Round 13

1. Apathetic Lurker - Sputnik, Manmade Object, Russia, 20th
2. Surtt - Wine producing regions of France, Geographical Location, France, 20th
3. Abe - Ramses II (aka Ramses the Great aka Ozymandias), Ruler/Leader, Egypt, Pre20th
4. Barkeep - Desmond Tutu, Religious Leader, South Africa, 20th
5. Noop - Pierre Elliott Trudeau - Cheif Diplomat - Canada - 20th
6. Izulde - Paris Metro - Manmade Structure - France - 20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - Mario Andretti - Athlete, Italy, 20th
8. DaddyTorgo - Itaipu Dam, Man-made object, Paraguay, 20th Century
9. ntndeacon - The Andes-Geographical Location-Bolivia-pre 20th century
10. Danny - Jean-Jaques Rousseau, Justice Minister - France, Pre 20th century
11. Galaril - Arnold Schwarzenegger, Athelete - Austria, 20th century
12. Lathum - Bruno Tonioli- Justice minister- Italy- 20th century

Round 14

1. Lathum - Facundo Bacardi- Scientist- Cuba- Pre 20th
2. Galaril - Rocky Mountains-Geographic location (Canada)- 20th Century
3. Danny - Tamerlane (Timur), Army Commander - Uzbekistan, Pre 20th Century
4. ntndeacon - Johann Sebastian Bach-Artist-Germany-pre 20th century
5. DaddyTorgo - Alexander "The Russian Bear" Karelin, Athlete, Russia, 20th Century
6. Coffee Warlord - The Swiss Alps, Geographic Location, Swizterland, Pre-20t
7. Izulde - Gerald Gardner - Religious Figure - England - 20th Century
8. Noop - Taylor Wang - Air Chief - China - 20th Century
9. Barkeep - Large Hardon Collider Switzerland 20th Century Manmade Structure
10. Abe - Abe Sargent - Sir Arthur Lewis, Economist, St. Lucia, 20th
11. Surtt - Vinko Bogataj, Athlete, Slovenia, Post-20
12. Apathetic Lurker -


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[Danny]

Leader/Ruler:

1.2 surtt - Julius Cesar, Leader/Ruler, Italy, pre-20th
1.11 Galaril - Abraham Lincoln, Leader/Ruler, United States, Pre-20th
2.12 Apathetic Lurker - Josef Stalin, Leader/Ruler, Russia, 20th
4.3 Danny - Adolph Hitler, Leader/Ruler, Germany, 20th century
4.6 Coffee Warlord - Charlemagne, Leader/Ruler, France, Pre-20th
5.5 Noop - King David, Leader, Israel, Pre-20th Century
7.12 Lathum - Mao Zedung, Leader/Ruler, China, 20th
9.4 Barkeep - Sulieman the Magnificent Turkey Ruler/Leader Pre-20th
10.4 ntndeacon - Chi'ang Kai-shek, Leader/Ruler, Taiwan, 20th Century
10.5 DaddyTorgo - Jawaharlal Nehru, Ruler/Leader, India, 20th Century
10.7 Izulde - Queen Isabella - Ruler/Leader - Spain - Pre-20th Century

Chief Diplomat:

2.10 Abe Sargent - Marco Polo, Chief Diplomat, Italy, Pre-20th
3.6 Izulde - Otto von Bismarck, Chief Diplomat, Germany, Pre-20th
3.9 ntndeacon - Theodore Roosevelt, Chief Diplomat, United States, 20th century
5.2 surtt - Sir Winston Churchill, Diplomat, UK, Post-20
5.10 Danny - Pope John Paul II, Chief Diplomat, Poland, 20th century
6.9 Barkeep49 - Tallyrand, Diplomat, France, Pre-20th Century
7.8 DaddyTorgo - Klemens Wenzel, Prince von Metternich, Chief Diplomat Austria, Pre-20th Century
7.11 Galaril - Mikhail Gorbachev, Diplomat, Russia, 20th
8.6 Coffee Warlord - Yasser Arafat, Diplomat, Egypt, 20th
11.12 Lathum - Bono, Chief Diplomat, Ireland, 20th Century

Army Chief:

1.1 Apathetic Lurker - Sun Tzu, Army Chief, China, Pre-20th
1.3 Abe Sargent - Alexander the Great, Army Chief, Greece, pre-20th
2.2 Galaril - Dwight D. Eisenhower, Army Chief, United States, 20th
2.11 surtt - Napoleon Bonaparte, Army Chief, France, pre-20th
3.4 Barkeep49 - Ghengis Khan, Army Chief, Mongolia, Pre-20th
4.1 Lathum - William Wallace, Army Chief, Great Britain, Pre-20th
5.7 Coffee Warlord - Erwin Rommel, Army Leader, Germany, Post 20th
5.9 ntndeacon - Attilla the Hun, Army Chief, Hungary, pre-20th century
7.5 Noop - Saladin, Army Chief, Egypt, Pre-20th
8.7 Izulde - Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar - Army Chief - Spain - Pre-20th Century
12.5 - Hannibal Barca, Army Chief, Tunisia (Carthage then), Pre-20th century

Navy Chief: (This category is complete)

1.9 ntndeacon - Horatio Nelson, Navy Chief, Great Britain, pre-20th century
3.12 Lathum - John Paul Jones, Naval Chief, United States, Pre-20th century
5.3 Abe Sargent - Tōgō Heihachirō, Japan, Navy Chief, 20th
8.9 Barkeep - Yi Sun-sin Naval Chief Korea Pre-20th
8.12 Apathetic Lurker - Karl Doenitz, Naval Chief, Germany 20th
9.7 Coffee Warlord - Henry Morgan, Navy Chief, Jamaica, Pre-20th
9.8 DaddyTorgo - Themistocles, Naval Chief, Greece, Pre-20th century
9.11 Galaril - Peter I The Great, Naval Commander-Russia, pre-20th century
10.3 Danny - Michiel de Ruyter, Naval Commander - Netherlands, Pre-20th Century
10.8 Noop - Alonso Pérez de Guzmán - Navy Chief - Spain - pre 20th
10.11 Surtt - Ferdinand Magellan, Navy Chief, Portugal, Pre-20
11.6 Izulde - Robert de La Salle - Navy Chief - France - Pre-20th Century

Air Chief:

1.6 Izulde - Manfred "The Red Baron" von Richthofen, Air Chief, Germany, 20th Century
2.9 Barkeep49 - John Glenn, Air Chief, United States, 20th
3.1 Apathetic Lurker - Sir Arthur Harris, Air Chief, Great Britain, 20th
5.8 DaddyTorgo - Mordechai Hod, Air Force Leader, Israel, 20th Century
6.1 Lathum - Yuri Gagarin, Air Chief, Russia, 20th
6.4 ntndeacon - Alberto Santos, Dumont, Air Chief, Brazil, 20th century
6.6 Coffee Warlord - Anthony Fokker, Air Chief, Netherlands, 20th Century
7.2 surtt - Billy Bishop, Air Chief, Canada, 20th Century
7.3 Abe Sargent - Sergey Korolyov, Air Chief, Ukraine, 20th
7.10 Danny - Isoroku Yamamoto, Air Chief, Japan, 20th
12.2 Galaril - Captain Rene Fronck, Air Chief, France, 20th

Justice Minister:

2.8 Noop - King Solomon, Justice Minister, Israel, Pre-20th
3.8 DaddyTorgo - John Marshall, Justice Minister, American, Pre-20th Century
4.4 ntndeacon - Tobias Michael Carel Asser, Justice Minister, The Netherlands, 20th century
4.7 Izulde - Hammurabi, Justice Minister, Iraq, Pre-20th Century
4.9 Barkeep49 - Moses, Justice Minister, Egypt, Pre-20th
5.11 Galaril - Darius the Great, Iran , Justice Minister, Pre 20th century
6.10 Abe Sargent - John Locke, Justice Minister, UK, Pre20th
7.7 Coffee Warlord - Socrates, Justice Minister, Greece, Pre-20th
12.11 Justinian I, Justice Minister, Turkey, Pre-20

Economist:

1.4 Barkeep49 - Adam Smith, Economist, Great Britain, Pre-20th
2.4 ntndeacon - Karl Marx, Economist, Germany, pre-20th
2.5 DaddyTorgo - John Kenneth Galbraith, Economist, United States, 20th
4.12 Apathetic Lurker - Ibn Khaldoun, Economist, Tunisia, Pre-20th century
9.5 Noop - Xiao Gang - Economist - China - 20th Century
9.6 Izulde - Satoru Iwata - Economist - Japan - 20th Century
9.10 Danny - Friedrich Hayek, Economist - Austria, 20th century
11.2 Surtt - Charles Ponzi, Economist, Italy, Post-20
11.7 Coffee Warlord - Carl Menger, Economist, Poland, 20th
11.11 Galaril - Joseph Schumpeter,Economist, Moria (Czech Rep.)-Post 20th
12.1 Lathum - Chanakya, Economist, India, pre-20th

Civil Rights Activist: (Category is done)

1.8 DaddyTorgo - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, 20th Century
1.12 Lathum - Nelson Mandela, Civil Rights Activist, South Africa, 20th
2.3 Danny - Mahatma Ghandi, Civil Rights Activist, India, 20th
4.2 Galaril - John Stuart Mills, Civil Rights Leader, Great Britain, Pre-20th
4.10 Abe Sargent - Mother Theresa, Civil Rights Activist, Albania, 20th
5.1 Apathetic Lurker - Simon Bolivar, Civil Rights, Venezuela, Pre-20th Century
5.6 Izulde - Confucius, Civil Rights Leader, China, Pre-20th Century
6.11 surtt - Lech Walesa, Civil Rights Activist, Poland, 20th Century
7.4 Barkeep49 - Daw Aung San Suu Kyi Civil Rights Activist, Burma, 20th Century
10.6 Coffee Warlord - Henri Dunant, Civil Rights Leader, Switzerland, 20th Century
11.5 Noop - Harriet Tubman - Civil Rights - Canada - 20th
12.4 ntndeacon - Andrei Sakarov, Civil Rights Activist, Russia, 20th Century


Scientist:

2.6 Coffee Warlord - Albert Einstein, Scientist, Germany, 20th
3.5 Noop - Imhotep, Scientist, Egypt, Pre-20th
3.10 Danny - Aristotle, Scientist, Greece, Pre-20th
3.11 Galaril - Ben Franklin, Scientist - America, Pre 20th Century
4.5 DaddyTorgo - Isaac Newton, Scientist, United Kingdom, Pre-20th Century
4.11 surtt - Louis Pasteur, Scientist, France, Pre-20th
5.4 Barkeep49 - Marie Curie, Poland, Scientist, 20th Century
6.7 Izulde - Galileo Galilei - Scientist - Italy - Pre-20th Century
7.1 Apathetic Lurker - Ibn al-haytham, Scientist, Iraq, Pre-20th century
8.10 Abe - Sigmund Freud, Scientist, Austria, 20th
9.9 ntndeacon - Niels Bohr-Scientist-Denmark-20th century

Artist:

2.1 Lathum - Leonardo Da Vinci, Artist, Italy, pre-20th
3.7 Coffee Warlord - William Shakespeare, Artist, England, Pre 20th
6.2 Galaril - Pablo Picasso, Artist, Spain 20th
6.3 Danny - Alfred Hitchcock, Artist, United States, 20th century
6.8 Noop - James Joyce, Artist, Ireland, 20th Century
6.12 Apathetic Lurker - En Hedu' Anna, Artist, Iraq, pre-20th century
8.11 Surtt - Vincent van Gogh, Artist, Netherlands, Pre-20th
11.3 Abe - Michelangelo, artist, Vatican, pre-20th
11.4 Barkeep - Diego Rivera Artist Mexico 20th Century
11.8 DaddyTorgo - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Artist, Austria, Pre-20th
12.7 Vladimir Nabokov - Artist - Russia - 20th Century


Athlete:

2.7 Izulde - Jim Brown, Athlete, United States, 20th
4.8 Noop - Pele, Athlete, Brazil, 20th Century
8.1 Lathum - Roger Bannister, Athlete, United Kingdom, 20th
8.3 Danny - Wayne Gretzky, Athlete, Canada, Post 20th century
8.4 ntndeacon - Diego Maradona-Athlete-Argentina-20th century
9.3 Abe - Miyamoto Musashi, Athelete, Japan, Pre20th
10.9 Barkeep - Nadia Elena Comăneci Romania Athlete 20th Century
10.12 Apathetic Lurker - Pierre Fredy (Baron de Coubertin), Athlete, France, pre 20th

Religious Leader:

1.7 Coffee Warlord - Jesus Christ, Religious Leader, Israel, Pre-20th
1.10 Danny - Muhammad, Religious Leader, Saudi Arabia, pre-20th
3.2 surtt - Dalai Lama, Religious Leader, China, Post-20th
3.3 Abe Sargent - Siddhartha Buddha, India, Religious Leader, Pre20th
8.5 DaddyTorgo - Martin Luther, Religious Leader, Germany, Pre-20th Century
8.8 Noop - Saint Augustine - Religious Leader - Algeria- Pre20th Century
10.1 Lathum - Joseph Smith, Religious Leader, USA, Pre 20th Century
10.2 Galaril - Saint Patrick, Religious Leader - Ireland, Pre-20th century
11.1 Apathetic Lurker - Zarathustra, Religious Leader, Iran, pre 20th
11.9 ntndeacon - Guru Nanak Dev--Religious leader--Pakistan--pre 20th century

Manmade Structure:

5.12 Lathum - Great Wall of China, Manmade structure, China, pre-20th7.9 ntndeacon - Great Pryamid at Giza-Man Made Structure, Egypt, pre 20th
8.2 Galaril - Statue of Liberty, Manmade Structure, USA, Pre-20th
9.2 Surtt - Panama Canal, Man made Structure, Panama, Post-20th
10.10 Abe - Sydney Opera House, Manmade Structure, Australia, 20th
12.3 The Colosseum, Man Made Structure - Italy, Pre 20th Century
12.6 The Colossus, Manmade Structure, Greece, Pre-20th


Geographical Location (River, Mountain, Lake, etc.):

1.5 Noop - Oil Fields of Saudi Arabia, Geographical Location, Saudi Arabia, Pre-20th
6.5 DaddyTorgo - Geographical Location - Fertile Crescent, Iraq, Pre-20th Century
7.6 Izulde - Mt. Everest, Geographic Location, China, 20th Century
9.1 Apathetic Lurker - British Isles, Geographic Location, UK, 20th
9.12 Lathum - Great Barrier Reef, Geographical Location, Australia- 20th Century
11.10 Danny - Amazon Rain Forest, Geographical Location - Brazil, Pre 20th Century
12.9 Barkeep - American Heartland, Geographical Location - US 20th Century
12.10 Abe - The Nile, Geographical Location, Egypt, 20th Century

[DaddyTorgo]

no restrictions about say my "justice minister" having to actually have been a justice minister? living and dead?

[wade moore]

Only limitation is you can't pick more than two people from the same country.


I guess I was wrong about learning something from the previous draft.

:sigh:

Edit: Unless I'm misreading this. Are you saying once a country is picked by anyone, it is eliminated?

[lordscarlet]

To keep complaints down, I'll sit this one out. :)

[larrymcg421]

I guess I was wrong about learning something from the previous draft.

:sigh:

Edit: Unless I'm misreading this. Are you saying once a country is picked by anyone, it is eliminated?

No, the limitation is only for each participant. So with 12 participants, that means 24 people from one country could potentially be picked.

[larrymcg421]

no restrictions about say my "justice minister" having to actually have been a justice minister? living and dead?

No restirctions at all. It'll be up to you to make your case to the voters.

If you want to make Bush a scientist or Clinton an athlete, then by all means go ahead.

[wade moore]

No, the limitation is only for each participant. So with 12 participants, that means 24 people from one country could potentially be picked.

:sigh:

Have fun.

I'll leave it at that. It's probably best for everyone that way.

[larrymcg421]

:sigh:

Have fun.

I'll leave it at that. It's probably best for everyone that way.

I mean, I'm open to suggestions. That's not a hard coded rule. I just wanted to add something in there to encourage variety of selections.

[larrymcg421]

For instance, if we needed to increase that to 4 per country, or say half the picks have to be pre-20th century and half post-20th century. Give me your ideas.

[wade moore]

FWIW - My thought is that the draft is too wide open, not too restrictive. I would eliminate a country if he's picked. Or, if you're worried about limiting TOO much, then I would say two times in the entire draft a country can be picked.

Or like you said limit on time periods. Something. To me part of what these drafts were built on were interesting restrictions that make it hard to come up with picks in the later rounds, rather than picking things that could have been good picks in round 2 (like the movie draft).

[larrymcg421]

Okay, how about one per country per category? So if someone picks Lincoln as ruler, then no one else could pick another American in that category, but they could still pick say, Babe Ruth, as athlete.

[Noop]

I want in.

[DaddyTorgo]

increase it to 4 per country in the entire draft and say half of a players picks have to be pre 1850!

[DaddyTorgo]

Okay, how about one per country per category? So if someone picks Lincoln as ruler, then no one else could pick another American in that category, but they could still pick say, Babe Ruth, as athlete.

that's a nice twist. combine that with the time-periods restriction?

[Barkeep49]

I'll gladly play.

[larrymcg421]

Okay, I added the new suggested restrictions in the first post.

[DaddyTorgo]

IN

[AENeuman]

Great idea. I was thinking something like this would make a fun draft.

Some random thoughts:

How do you count a person who is born in one country but did their thing in another?

How are older regions/kingdoms/empires going to count?

i know this is a people driven draft, but how about adding some geography? maybe a natural beauty and a man made icon.

[Lathum]

The Moore brothers fuck up these drafts like its nobody's business. :)

in

[Apathetic Lurker]

I will gladly jump into this if ya want me

[larrymcg421]

Great idea. I was thinking something like this would make a fun draft.

Some random thoughts:

How do you count a person who is born in one country but did their thing in another?

How are older regions/kingdoms/empires going to count?

That's a good question. My initial thought is that when the pick is made, then you have to declare a modern country that the pick is being used for, and it should be a country that was part of (or located in) whatever empire the person did their thing in.

And it could be up to the voters to judge if a person was picked for the right country, as long as the person does have some connection to the country. For example, we had the history draft and Joe Louis was picked for the 60s or something like that. I wouldn't forbid such a pick, but leave it up to the voters to do the punishment.

i know this is a people driven draft, but how about adding some geography? maybe a natural beauty and a man made icon.

Excellent idea. I'll add those.

[wade moore]

The Moore brothers fuck up these drafts like its nobody's business. :)

in

:(..

The bad thing is I feel like I'm really trying to make a "better draft" with the input I put in (not just this here, but in all drafts)..

It was pretty disappointing to me when I realized a lot of people seem to feel the way you do.

[DaddyTorgo]

The Moore brothers fuck up these drafts like its nobody's business. :)

in

:(..

The bad thing is I feel like I'm really trying to make a "better draft" with the input I put in (not just this here, but in all drafts)..

It was pretty disappointing to me when I realized a lot of people seem to feel the way you do.

dude - i think you missed his smiley. he's been in a very sarcastic mood lately.

i for one think any input into the structure of a draft is better than letting it devolve into chaos

[Lathum]

Yeah, apparently the smiley was missed.

I could care less about your guys input.

[Galaril]

Add me in. Sounds fun.

[wade moore]

Yeah, apparently the smiley was missed.

I could care less about your guys input.


I DON"T CARE ABOUT YOU EITHER! ;)

Yeah, shouldn't have triggered on your post. This is more based on some posts in the last couple of draft threads than anything here.

[ntndeacon]

I want in as well

[Abe Sargent]

I'd be wiling to play

[larrymcg421]

Need three more...

[DaddyTorgo]

based on a convo i just had with wade, i/we have got the next draft idea basically all set and ready to go

[wade moore]

based on a convo i just had with wade, i/we have got the next draft idea basically all set and ready to go

Genius idea by DT, I just helped setup the categories.

[DaddyTorgo]

hey - i wanted to be sure it'd work well as a draft so i figured take it to you - and it's always good to bounce categories off someone else - we each had some good ones

[Surtt]

I'll give it a shot.

[Izulde]

If there's still room I'll hop in.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'll give it a shot. Never actually done one of these, always been in the peanut gallery.

[larrymcg421]

We're all full now.

I'll come up with the draft order in a second.

[Surtt]

What if a country does not exist anymore?

e.g. Prussia or the Holy Roman Empire

[larrymcg421]

1. Apathetic Lurker
2. surtt
3. Abe Sargent
4. Barkeep49
5. Noop
6. Izulde
7. Coffee Warlord
8. DaddyTorgo
9. ntndeacon
10. Danny
11. Galaril
12. Lathum

We'll be doing snake draft like usual, so Lathum will start the second round.

When making picks, please also denote the category, country and whether it is pre-20th century or post-20th century.

Example - Glen "Big Baby" Davis, Army Chief, United States, Post-20th Century

[Lathum]

I always get shafted in the draft order of these things

[larrymcg421]

What if a country does not exist anymore?

e.g. Prussia or the Holy Roman Empire

You declare the modern country that it would qualify for. If an empire covers more than one country, you have to pick one of the countries.

[Coffee Warlord]

And to clarify further, I understand the 1 country / category rule, BUT, can a single player use the same country twice?

[larrymcg421]

And to clarify further, I understand the 1 country / category rule, BUT, can a single player use the same country twice?

Yes, you could theoretically end up with 12 people from the same country, although it's highly unlikely.

[Apathetic Lurker]

I always get shafted in the draft order of these things

Im willing to flip flop draft picks but I want your 3 and 7th to go with it....

[lordscarlet]

When making picks, please also denote the country and whether it is pre-20th century or post-20th century.

Example - Glen "Big Baby" Davis, Army Chief, Post-20th Century

Perhaps fix up the example? :)

[larrymcg421]

Perhaps fix up the example? :)

Heh. Thanks.

[larrymcg421]

And Apathetic Lurker is on the clock...

Also, if you guys get a chance or are going to be away for a long time, please PM me some picks.

[Surtt]

Can a person be used more then once?
(don't see a rule about it)

[larrymcg421]

Can a person be used more then once?
(don't see a rule about it)

Nope.

[Surtt]

Nope.

Didn't think so, but I wanted to make it official.

[Apathetic Lurker]

And Apathetic Lurker is on the clock...

Also, if you guys get a chance or are going to be away for a long time, please PM me some picks.

check your in-box

[Apathetic Lurker]

Sun Tzu Chinese...pre 2oth century ...Army Chief

[Coffee Warlord]

Not a bad pick.

[Surtt]

1.2 Julius Cesar, Leader/Ruler, Italy, pre-20th

[Lathum]

just a heads up you guys should bold your picks with round and number, makes it easier to follow and know when you are up.

so for example

1.1-Sun Tzu Chinese...pre 2oth century ...Army Chief

1.2-Julius Cesar, Leader/Ruler, Italy, pre-20th

[Noop]

The second restriction is a kick in the nuts.

[Noop]

Sun Tzu Chinese...pre 2oth century ...Army Chief

Another kick in the nuts.

[Galaril]

Sun Tzu Chinese...pre 2oth century ...Army Chief

You bastard.

[Lathum]

Larry, can you edit the draft order into the first post?

thanks

[Izulde]

Loving the first pick. I do think Julius Caesar is a bit overrated, though.

[Abe Sargent]

1.3 Alexander the Great, Army Chief, Greece, pre-20th

[Izulde]

Love Alexander the Great. :D

[Apathetic Lurker]

You bastard.

I am so sorry..........BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

[Abe Sargent]

Thanks

[Noop]

Nice pick Abe.

[larrymcg421]

Added picks (and draft order) in the first post. I'll also add a breakdown by category so people will know what countries have been picked in each one.

[Abe Sargent]

thanks larry

[Coffee Warlord]

God dammit.

[Galaril]

I am so sorry..........BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Truly a great pick. I was just watching a special on the History Channel all about his philosophy. Enjoy paying that number 1 pick guaranteed money:)

[Izulde]

I just hope my top pick falls to me. :D

[Coffee Warlord]

I just hope my top pick falls to me. :D

I'm not happy you pick before me here. :)

[Galaril]

It is interesting seeing which people choose military leaders first and or as there rulers as opposed to those who choose non-military leaders first or as their leaders.

[Galaril]

next:)

[Izulde]

I PM'ed Barkeep to let him know it's his turn. :)

[Noop]

I feel like Barkeep is going to take my pick.

[Abe Sargent]

Heya BK

[DaddyTorgo]

I presume we won't make it to 1.8 before I get home and have a chance to get online in like 2 hours.

[Izulde]

I presume we won't make it to 1.8 before I get home and have a chance to get online in like 2 hours.

Hard telling.

[Noop]

I presume we won't make it to 1.8 before I get home and have a chance to get online in like 2 hours.

As soon as Barkeep makes his pick I will post mine then Izulde will do his I presume.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm betting my pick is going to fall to Izulde, who is waiting for the same thing I am.

[lordscarlet]

I presume we won't make it to 1.8 before I get home and have a chance to get online in like 2 hours.

It's always nice to send in a list just in case. Sometimes a potential run can be missed by someone being gone for 45 minutes. If you know your top 2 or 3 for sure, no harm in sending it to larry. If you really need to see what other people pick, then I guess it's harder to justify.

[DaddyTorgo]

i have no idea what i'm going to pick yet. i haven't even started to think about making a list of my top overall, let alone by category - i just said i was in earlier today...didn't know that we were going to get things going in the middle of the day

[Barkeep49]

Adam Smith Economist Great Britain Pre-20th

Your average person could name 3 economists, if they're lucky. Odds are Adam Smith, who kind of defined the academic theory of the field, would be one of them.

[Barkeep49]

I apologize for the hold-up, but when I had looked last there weren't many sign-ups.

[Coffee Warlord]

And everyone's economic pick vanishes.

[DaddyTorgo]

oooh BK with the sneaky pick

[Izulde]

Brilliant pick BK. :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Don't you fuck me, Izulde and Noop. :P

[Noop]

Give me a sec

[DaddyTorgo]

ok - i just sent my top-pick to larry (well top pick and then a backup). if they're BOTH gone then you'll just have to wait

[Noop]

1.5 -Oil Fields of Saudi Arabia, Geographical Location, Saudi Arabia Pre-20th Century

The war machine must have oil.

[Izulde]

Posting my top pick now. Let me write it up.

[Coffee Warlord]

...well. That was unexpected.

[Noop]

...well. That was unexpected.

It's a risky pick. More then likely will cost me in the eyes of the voters.

[Abe Sargent]

I was actually thinking of drafting a Pirate themed nation with Henry Morgan and the Sargasso Sea and Blackbeard and such. It would have been funny, but porbably not in the spirit of the draft.

[Izulde]

1.6 Manfred "The Red Baron" von Richthofen - Air Marshal - Germany - 20th Century

Is there any greater or more well-known fighter pilot in the history of the world than The Red Baron? Certainly the best in World War I, with a confirmed 80 victories during the campaign and he showed leadership ability by commanding the famous Flying Circus. So masterful an air warrior, he was even highly respected and admired by the opposing Allies.

[Noop]

1.6 Manfred "The Red Baron" von Richthofen - Air Marshal - Germany - 20th Century

Is there any greater or more well-known fighter pilot in the history of the world than The Red Baron? Certainly the best in World War I, with a confirmed 80 victories during the campaign and he showed leadership ability by commanding the famous Flying Circus. So masterful an air warrior, he was even highly respected and admired by the opposing Allies.

You know what I had him as a pick but I figured I was safe with that until the third round at least because leaders were in vogue. Good pick.

[Coffee Warlord]

Damn, I had him in my list too. BUT...

[Coffee Warlord]

1.7 - Jesus Christ - Religious Leader - Israel - Pre-20th

[Izulde]

Jesus Christ! Okay, yeah that pun had to be made. :D

Great pick CW.

[lordscarlet]

i have no idea what i'm going to pick yet. i haven't even started to think about making a list of my top overall, let alone by category - i just said i was in earlier today...didn't know that we were going to get things going in the middle of the day

ok - i just sent my top-pick to larry (well top pick and then a backup). if they're BOTH gone then you'll just have to wait

I wouldn't worry too much about it -- this thing rolled really fast. Besides, people get upset with 3 or 4 hour waits, not 2.

[Lathum]

Had Adam Smith on my short list, would have taken him for sure had he fell.

[Lathum]

dola- Red Baron as well

[Barkeep49]

And everyone's economic pick vanishes.
Thanks. I have to say I felt strongly about this pick because
A. I think he's a clear #1 in his field and am not concerned about finding either a military or political leader (especially political), which is what the early picks were.
B. By picking him I also knock-out one of the next best alternatives, Keynes. Since I'm safe with my economist pick, I'm going to say that I think the no duplicate country rule is going to lead to some people having some might weak economists.

[Barkeep49]

1.7 - Jesus Christ - Religious Leader - Israel - Pre-20th
This is an absolutely wonderful pick. I can't believe he made it to 1.7. Great job CW. Again a clear #1 in his field.

[Noop]

Thanks. I have to say I felt strongly about this pick because
A. I think he's a clear #1 in his field and am not concerned about finding either a military or political leader (especially political), which is what the early picks were.
B. By picking him I also knock-out one of the next best alternatives, Keynes. Since I'm safe with my economist pick, I'm going to say that I think the no duplicate country rule is going to lead to some people having some might weak economists.

I thought that only applied to a single person and not the whole draft. So since Jesus is off the board does that mean I can not pick anyone from Israel?

[Abe Sargent]

I thought that only applied to a single person and not the whole draft. So since Jesus is off the board does that mean I can not pick anyone from Israel?

I beleive it is one country per category. I choose Greece for Alexander ot block Leonidas as a military leader later as a pick, for example. But other Greeks could be chosen easily

[Abe Sargent]

This is an absolutely wonderful pick. I can't believe he made it to 1.7. Great job CW. Again a clear #1 in his field.


This is a controversial pick. I actually believe Jesus is the Son of God, so I would not have picked him. You can compare the value of One person to Another in society, but it is sort of unfair to judge Julius Caesar or Adam Smith to the actual Son of God.

[larrymcg421]

I thought that only applied to a single person and not the whole draft. So since Jesus is off the board does that mean I can not pick anyone from Israel?

You can pick anyone from Israel in any category but religious leader.

[Barkeep49]

You can pick anyone from Israel in any category but religious leader.
Right. I was just noting that John Meynard Keynes is a strong economist pick, but is off the board as he, like Smith, is British.

[Abe Sargent]

The problem with these drafts is that once you get out of the first round, perhaps first two rounds, you never know if the picks you think are the top on the board will go early, middle or late.

[Lathum]

I guess DT couldn't be bothered to send a list

[Abe Sargent]

I haven't, but I check in every 20 mins to hour

[larrymcg421]

He sent one. Checking it now.

[larrymcg421]

DT picks:

1.8 - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, Post-20th Century

[Noop]

Well I wish I had known(read) that earlier because it certainly would have changed my pick.

Restrictions on picks-

1) A country may only be used once per category.
2) Half of a participants picks must be pre-20th century, and the other half post-20th century.

That seems a little vague to me.

[sabotai]

Technically, Israel shouldn't be eliminated (It didn't exist when Jesus lived).

[larrymcg421]

Technically, Israel shouldn't be eliminated (It didn't exist when Jesus lived).

Right, but we already clarified that. We're going by modern countries, even if it didn't exist at the time the person was alive.

Sorry about the confusion, Noop.

[Izulde]

DT picks:

1.8 - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, Post-20th Century

I didn't understand that only one country per category rule applied across the board. That makes this pick even better, because it takes out the whole black American and women's civil rights movement out in one go.

[Lathum]

wish he hadn't, wanted that one

[ntndeacon]

1.9 Horatio Nelson-Navy Chief, Great Britain-pre 20th century

[Izulde]

Grrr! I hate you ntn. That was my second round pick. :mad:

[ntndeacon]

maybe i can steal your new 2nd round pick as well.

[sabotai]

Right, but we already clarified that. We're going by modern countries, even if it didn't exist at the time the person was alive.

Sorry, missed that.

[Abe Sargent]

The draft is falling largely how I expect so far. Except for Saudi Arabia's oilfields and Adam Smith this early.

[Groundhog]

I'm personally very surprised that the Army Chief I'd consider far and away the #1 is still yet to be nabbed after two selections in that category.

[Galaril]

Who is on the clock? Danny?

[DaddyTorgo]

I didn't understand that only one country per category rule applied across the board. That makes this pick even better, because it takes out the whole black American and women's civil rights movement out in one go.

exactly my plan! :D

hehehe

[Izulde]

Who is on the clock? Danny?

Yep.

[Izulde]

exactly my plan! :D

hehehe

And you're a right evil bastard for it too. :P

[Galaril]

BTW How many rounds is this and what happens once we have made all of our selections? I have not done a draft event here until now.

[larrymcg421]

BTW How many rounds is this and what happens once we have made all of our selections? I have not done a draft event here until now.

It is 14 rounds. Once we're finished, we open a thread for voting and people vote for the winners.

[Galaril]

It is 14 rounds. Once we're finished, we open a thread for voting and people vote for the winners.

Thanks.

[larrymcg421]

A few notes:

1) I notice I've been saying post-20th century, which is pretty stupid. I clarified it in the original post, but it looks like people already figured out what I meant anyways.

2) Be careful about announcing picks that you think are eliminated. While I'm sure no one is going to select Keynes as an athlete, there are others that could possibly fit multiple categories.

3) As I noted to DT earlier, the person does not have to have actually performed this duty at any point in history to be selected. It's up to you to make your case to the voters as to why someone would be good.

[Coffee Warlord]

This is a controversial pick. I actually believe Jesus is the Son of God, so I would not have picked him. You can compare the value of One person to Another in society, but it is sort of unfair to judge Julius Caesar or Adam Smith to the actual Son of God.

Not to get into a tangent religious discussion, but I picked him solely on his historical existence & signifigance, not the man that Christianity believes him to be (son of god, etc etc). All faith-based arguments aside, he was quite possibly the most influential religious leader ... ever, such that one of the most widely known and practiced religions in history was formed around him.

I knew it was possibly going to be controversial, but anything touching on religious beliefs is going to be.

[Abe Sargent]

Someone was going to pick him, and they were going to pick him early, and he will ring-ding-ding the voters and it's a great pick from every angle, no question. I just can't get past the fact that in a draft of humans, someone picks aspect of God, you know what I'm saying?

[Greyroofoo]

I thought it was a point of emphasis in Christianity that Jesus was human.

[Abe Sargent]

I thought it was a point of emphasis in Christianity that Jesus was human.

It is also a point of emphasis that Jesus is one of three aspects of God called the Trinity. God made flesh.

[Coffee Warlord]

Someone was going to pick him, and they were going to pick him early, and he will ring-ding-ding the voters and it's a great pick from every angle, no question. I just can't get past the fact that in a draft of humans, someone picks aspect of God, you know what I'm saying?

From your point of view, sure. We don't share the same beliefs, so we're coming from two quite different points of view, but whaddya gonna do. But, that said, I'm picking the historical, quite human figure, not the divine figure. I understand for many its hard to seperate the two, but again, and you said it...somebody was gonna pick him.

[Coffee Warlord]

And I hereby am going to avoid yapping about this one much further in here, to avoid threadjacking the draft. :)

[Abe Sargent]

Heh. We should talk more about the Oil Fields pick.

[Coffee Warlord]

It was BAD! BAD BAD BAD!

Honestly, thus far, the Oil Fields is my mega bust, and Sun Tzu, believe it or not, is my second bust. The Oil coulda been had ages later in the draft, and while Sun Tzu is the man, I think there were better picks available.

[Barkeep49]

I had the Nelson pick #1. I agree that MLK, knocking off the whole American Civil Rights movement, is a great pick both in its own terms and for its strategic assets.

[Barkeep49]

Nelson was #1 in Navy, to clarify.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm not sure how we are going to interpret geographical feature. Something pretty? Or something highly useful?

[Abe Sargent]

I don;t even know myself

[Apathetic Lurker]

It was BAD! BAD BAD BAD!

Honestly, thus far, the Oil Fields is my mega bust, and Sun Tzu, believe it or not, is my second bust. The Oil coulda been had ages later in the draft, and while Sun Tzu is the man, I think there were better picks available.

I prefer to thump my enemies.. None of that mamby-pamby touchy feely PC poop for me... Dead enemies dont rise up twice..Unless we are dealing with "The" zombie Apocalypse.. But thats another draft

[Danny]

I'm here, will research and get a pick in as quick as I can.

[Danny]

Out of curiosity though, can the person picking PM the person who is up next?

[DaddyTorgo]

i like that...i find it handy (the PM thing)

[Abe Sargent]

Sure

[Danny]

Round 1 is not the time to get fancy and there is a clearcut person on the board right now.

1.10 Muhammad, Religious Leader (Current Saudi Arabia is where he was born)

[Lathum]

did Galaril send a list?

I only ask because I'll be ready whenever the time comes

[Barkeep49]

Danny good value at the end of the first round. I will admit I'd never have thought we'd get 2 Saudi Arabia picks in round 1.

[Abe Sargent]

Agreed, solid pick Danny

[larrymcg421]

Galaril picks:

1.11 - Abraham Lincoln, Leader/Ruler, United States, Pre-20th

[Coffee Warlord]

I knew we were gonna get him soon. Nice one. And there goes a whole boatload of worthy American leaders off the board.

[Abe Sargent]

I honestly don;t think any other Americans deserve to be Ruler/Leader except Lincoln, in a worldwide all history draft

[Lathum]

1.12- Civil Rights- Nelson Mandela- South Africa- say what you want about MLK, he never spent 27 years in prison ( allthought I am sure he would have)


2.1- Artist-Leonardo Da Vinci- Italy- does it really need an explination?

[Coffee Warlord]

Son of a bitch. There go TWO on my shortlist. Jerk. :)

[Lathum]

I honestly don;t think any other Americans deserve to be Ruler/Leader except Lincoln, in a worldwide all history draft

FDR?

[Abe Sargent]

Totally like the Mandela pick. Major props there and I agree, more valuable than MLK. Da Vinci is solid too. Good value here.

[Lathum]

Son of a bitch. There go TWO on my shortlist. Jerk. :)

:D

[DaddyTorgo]

eh - i debated mandela vs. MLK actually, but given the strategic pick of MLK in addition to the # of people and the years of oppression overcome i think MLK stacks up quite well to Mandela. Mandela was the only other person I would have considered for that category.

[Barkeep49]

I honestly don;t think any other Americans deserve to be Ruler/Leader except Lincoln, in a worldwide all history draft
With the way things are shaping up, I'm thinking the Pre-20th/Post-20th is going to be more of a challenge than people think. As such I think others might deserve consideration.

[larrymcg421]

Galaril picks:

2.2 - Dwight D. Eisenhower, Army Chief, United States, 20th

[DaddyTorgo]

1.12- Civil Rights- Nelson Mandela- South Africa- say what you want about MLK, he never spent 27 years in prison ( allthought I am sure he would have)


nope. he just got shot and killed for it.

[MrDNA]

Adam Smith is a GREAT pick in a weak category - Red Baron and MLK as well, if to a lesser extent.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm ready to go assuming the person in front of me doesn't pick my other choice i had in mind

[Abe Sargent]

With the way things are shaping up, I'm thinking the Pre-20th/Post-20th is going to be more of a challenge than people think. As such I think others might deserve consideration.

This is why I was suprised you went Smith over Keynes. Keynes gave you Post 20th

[Danny]

2.3 Mahatma Ghandi, Civil Rights Leader (India)

[Danny]

Ghandi can fill a 20th century spot right?

[DaddyTorgo]

thank you sir, for not taking my pick

[DaddyTorgo]

ohhh i gotta wait for NTN

[Coffee Warlord]

Bah. Ghandi was MINE!

[larrymcg421]

Ghandi can fill a 20th century spot right?

Sure, he was alive during both time periods.

[Barkeep49]

I think Ghandi King, and Mandela are 1 1A 1AA of the civil rights category, in some order. All three are absolutely fabulous picks.

[Danny]

I was hoping Ghandi would fall.

[Barkeep49]

This is why I was suprised you went Smith over Keynes. Keynes gave you Post 20th
I think the name Adam Smith is a better voting appeal than Keynes. I also have roughly sketched out which categories I intend to take from which time period and could afford that pick.

[Abe Sargent]

Fair enough

[Barkeep49]

Don't get me wrong, I think you're right that Keynes, as 20th century, deserves consideration.

[Izulde]

Bah. Ghandi was MINE!

+1 :mad:

[Izulde]

I think Ghandi King, and Mandela are 1 1A 1AA of the civil rights category, in some order. All three are absolutely fabulous picks.

+1 here too, though I'd put King 1 and Ghandi 1A.

[Coffee Warlord]

I think Ghandi King, and Mandela are 1 1A 1AA of the civil rights category, in some order. All three are absolutely fabulous picks.

Ayup, those were the exact 3 I had jotted down for early possibilities when I made a quick list. Now it gets much harder on that one.

[Lathum]

King was gonna be my choice but obviously I had to take Mandela instead.

[Abe Sargent]

There is a guy who I honestly feel was one of the ten most important and influential people of the 20th century, but no one knows who he is. It will be interesting to see if any of you agree.

[Danny]

Your dungeon game was good, but not that good Abe

[Abe Sargent]

Heh. I loves you too Danny. The person I am thinking of has a top notch resume but is a bit esoteric and probably not a name most know. Even if a few did, taking him would not help my nation get votes, you know?

[DaddyTorgo]

grrrr - ntn was here and now he's gone

[Abe Sargent]

I saw too

[ntndeacon]

2.4 Karl Marx-Economist-Germany-Pre 20th century

[Izulde]

Very nicely done!

[DaddyTorgo]

assface!!!!!


that was gonna be my pick next!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

literally

[DaddyTorgo]

:rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant:

[Abe Sargent]

2.4 Karl Marx-Economist-Germany-Pre 20th century

Nicely done. I was looking at the exact same thing.

[DaddyTorgo]

now i need time to come up with something else *sighs*

[Abe Sargent]

You didn;t have a backup? Come on now

[Izulde]

I just hope DT and CW don't take my next pick. :p

[DaddyTorgo]

point of fact - adam smith was actually scottish

[DaddyTorgo]

born in scotland, degrees in scotland, taught in scotland, wrote in scotland, died in scotland

[Abe Sargent]

And Scotland is not a modern day country, so he could not have been selected there. Now, technically, he could not have been taken for "Great Britain" either, as that's an island, not a nation

[DaddyTorgo]

idk - i think scotland is distinct enough

[Lathum]

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[Izulde]

But it's not an independent nation. It's considered part of the UK, which people in the draft and voting will shorthand as England I'm sure.

[DaddyTorgo]

my scottish blood says you all are wrong...lol

[Izulde]

my scottish blood says you all are wrong...lol

I don't give a shit. :P I have Scottish blood myself and my last name is believed to be a corruption of an originally Scottish name.

It's part of the UK in modern times. Deal. ;)

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, what if someone you wanted was from Greenland but someone had taken Denmark in that category. You are screwed, that;s what. Now pick! ;)

[larrymcg421]

GB is UK which is Scotland. We all know what was meant.

William Wallace, quit your stalling and pick :)

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah, what if someone you wanted was from Greenland but someone had taken Denmark in that category. You are screwed, that;s what. Now pick! ;)

bite me. be nice or i'll go to bed without picking

[Lathum]

hey Larry, you gonna do the WSOP game this year?

[Abe Sargent]

The more I look at Karl Marx, the more I think it's the best pick so far. Not only is he the author of Das Capital, one of the most important economic books ever, but he is also one of the heavy hitters in on the field altogether. It's like he's doing double duty.

The only concern I have is that some voters may see him in economics and think he should be somewhere else.

[DaddyTorgo]

2.5 John Kenneth Galbraith - Economist, USA

[Noop]

I'll post my pick in the morning.

[Abe Sargent]

Damn, I was going to take Irving Fisher from USA. I don;t even know who Galbraith is. Let me see

[Lathum]

I'll post my pick in the morning.

why wait?

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I wikipediaed him

[Abe Sargent]

why wait?

It's Coffee W's turn, then Izulde, then Noop

[DaddyTorgo]

Galbraith was THE American economist from the 50's - 70's. Served in like 4-5 administrations, 2 Presidential Medal's of Freedom

John Kenneth "Ken" Galbraith, OC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Canada) (October 15, 1908 – April 29, 2006) was a Canadian-American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian-American) economist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics). He was a Keynesian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics) and an institutionalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_economics), a leading proponent of 20th-century American liberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_liberalism) and progressivism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism_in_the_United_States). His books on economic topics were bestsellers from the 1950s through the 1970s and he filled the role of public intellectual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_intellectual) in this period on matters of economics.

Galbraith was a prolific author who produced four dozen books and over a thousand articles on various subjects. Among his most famous works was a popular trilogy on economics, American Capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Capitalism) (1952), The Affluent Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Affluent_Society) (1958), and The New Industrial State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Industrial_State) (1967). He taught at Harvard University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_University) for many years. Galbraith was active in politics, serving in the administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt), Harry S. Truman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman), John F. Kennedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy) and Lyndon B. Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson); and among other roles served as United States Ambassador to India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ambassador_to_India) under Kennedy.


He was one of the few honorees who received the Presidential Medal of Freedom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Medal_of_Freedom) twice. He received one in 1946 from President Truman and another in 2000 from President Bill Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton).<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith#cite_note-0)</sup> He was also awarded the Order of Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Canada) in 1997<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith#cite_note-1)</sup> and, in 2001, the Padma Vibhushan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padma_Vibhushan), India's second highest civilian award, for his contributions to strengthening ties between India and the United States

[Galaril]

why wait?

Yeah, let's go Noop you wuss pick:)

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, I already wikied him.

[ntndeacon]

thought about Freidman as an American

[Izulde]

Although the pick is a total WTF is that, I'm annoyed that the US is cockblocked economically. I had some backup choices planned for economist there.

[Abe Sargent]

I would have saved Galbraith in my back pocket as a Canadian for next round and let someone else cockblock the USA in economics. Of course, he might have been on other people's radar, so ymmv

[Lathum]

It's Coffee W's turn, then Izulde, then Noop

I guess thats a good reason

[Abe Sargent]

DT did you pm CW?

[Lathum]

I think Greenspan would have been a better option

[Izulde]

I think Greenspan would have been a better option

Yep. Plus a few others I won't mention as they're multi-cat.

[DaddyTorgo]

i didn't PM CW, no.

and i wasn't going for "name recognition" as much as I was going for impact. i considered friedman...but idk. whatever...i wanted marx and i was irritated that i didn't get him and didn't have a backup plan in place cuz it looked like he'd fall to me. i don't really care...hate the pick or not.

i'm going to bed.

[Izulde]

PM CW first. :p

[Lathum]

lol

[Abe Sargent]

I think Greenspan would have been a better option

Many think the roots of the current economic recession is a result of Greenspan's policies. I wouldn't have wanted to walk into that.

[larrymcg421]

One sec. I have picks from CW

[Izulde]

Man, I hope my next pick doesn't get taken.

[AENeuman]

The more I look at Karl Marx, the more I think it's the best pick so far. Not only is he the author of Das Capital, one of the most important economic books ever, but he is also one of the heavy hitters in on the field altogether. It's like he's doing double duty.

The only concern I have is that some voters may see him in economics and think he should be somewhere else.

One of the approaches of this draft would be to draft a group that would make a great nation. By that rational I think the Marx pick is suspect. As a pick for best in category i think it's the best one

I hope some people take a chance and gets creative with their econ pick

[Lathum]

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[Abe Sargent]

See DT< if you had picked sooner, Noop would have still been here and we would have gotten a lot farther. ;)

[Izulde]

One of the approaches of this draft would be to draft a group that would make a great nation. By that rational I think the Marx pick is suspect. As a pick for best in category i think it's the best one

I hope some people take a chance and gets creative with their econ pick

That's a very good point and admittedly, that's partly my strategy, in that I'm creating a nation that I myself would love to have.

Of course, I'm going to have to get -real- creative with Econ.

[larrymcg421]

CW picks...

2.6 Albert Einstein (Science, Germany, Post-20th)

[Abe Sargent]

That's a very good point and admittedly, that's partly my strategy, in that I'm creating a nation that I myself would love to have.

Of course, I'm going to have to get -real- creative with Econ.

Yup, most of us are.

[Izulde]

CW picks...

2.6 Albert Einstein (Science, Germany, Post-20th)

MOTHERFUCKING WHORE'S GIT!

[Abe Sargent]

CW picks...

2.6 Albert Einstein (Science, Germany, Post-20th)

Figured he'd go about here

[Izulde]

Okay, let me do a rundown of my list and see.

[Lathum]

solid

[larrymcg421]

hey Larry, you gonna do the WSOP game this year?

Definitely. Maybe I can finally win this year.

[Lathum]

Definitely. Maybe I can finally win this year.

cool, I always enjoy that. I can't believe it's just around the corner

[Galaril]

Cross Einstein off the list damn.

[Izulde]

2.7 Jim Brown - Athlete - 20th Century - USA

"If you thought Walter Payton was good, you should've seen Jim Brown."

When a Hall of Fame running back who is arguably one of the greatest of all time is dismissed in mention of another player, that second man must truly stand as one of the greats of all time.

But not only was he a football great, a punishing runner who also kicked extra points, he was a world-class athlete in lacrosse, and as, wikipedia notes, he excelled in basketball and track as well.

Although many of his records would later be passed by those with longer careers, he remains the 8th leading rusher of all time and is still the Browns' leading rusher. The most impressive fact of this?

He retired when he was just 29 years old.

Truly an athletic champion in every sense of the word.

[Lathum]

Hate Izuldes pick.

[Izulde]

Hate Izuldes pick.

In a good way or bad way? :D