Werewolf V: Mount Fogg

[Raven]

KWhit, I see you are here now, and I imagine you are wrapping up the days actions. If I still have time to make a decision, let me know.

[Raven]

If Brad is wolf king, he kills deacon today. Deacon is the only sure thing right now.

If Brad is wolf king, he clears Raiders name today. Unless of course it's him and Raiders who are working together. Which seems odd, because after today there are 5 people left, and they could win tomorrow if we vote the wrong guy.

That's way too risky, so I seriously doubt Brad is the wolf king.
My best guess is Brad really is the Duke.

[Raven]

Ok, im not changing my vote because I don't want to look like I am defending Brad or RA.

[KWhit]

Day 6

heybrad 2 (Neon_Chaos, Raiders Army)
Neon_Chaos (Raven)
George W Bush (Schmidty)
Raiders Army 2 (heybrad, George W Bush)

WAIT...

Posted an error here... Hold on.

[JeeberD]

*Taps foot impatiently*






;)

[KWhit]

With the vote tied, you expect a duel. The tension is running high. One of you says, "Get the Innkeeper. We'll need weapons to settle this."

"That's not necessary, gentlemen," heybrad says as the innkeeper approaches.

Heybrad stands and crosses the room. The innkeeper bows. "Ah, your grace. I didn't know we were lucky enough to have royalty staying with us!"

The rest of you look to one another, confused. "Yes, it is I, Duke Heybrad, and I will NOT be lynched here tonight. Instead it will be he!"

Heybrad's finger points to..... Raiders Army.

"What?" he screams. "That's not fair! It's a corruption of power, I tell you! I'm a great swordsman, too. I would have bested him! I know it!"

But you don't listen. The Duke has told you what to do and you do it. You string Raiders Army up. He struggles. He wails. And then he dies. But he does not turn into a werewolf.

You have lynched another innocent villager.

"Ah well," says the Duke. "I gave it my best shot."

[JeeberD]

:eek:

Crap...so much for knowing what the hell is going on.

[heybrad]

Oops.. I should have stayed dead.

[KWhit]

:eek:

Crap...so much for knowing what the hell is going on.
Heh. You and me both!

:D

[kingfc22]

Ouch...Sounds like dinner is served...

[KWhit]

The Few, The Proud, The Alive:
Raven
Neon_Chaos
heybrad
George W Bush
ntndeacon
Schmidty

Pushing Up Daisies:
Blackadar - Werewolf, lynched Day 1
Fouts - Villager, lynched Day 2
Thomkal - Villager, killed by Werewolves Night 2
kingfc22 - Sorcerer, lynched, Day 3
mrsimperless - Villager, killed by Werewolves Night 3
Token Asian Guy - Werewolf, lynched Day 4
digamma - Bodyguard, killed by Werewolves Night 4
henry296 - Villager, lynched Day 5
JeeberD - Seer, killed by werewolves Night 5
Raiders Army - Villager, lynched Day 6
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[Raiders Army]

How the hell did everyone figure I'm a wolf?

And had it been a fair fight, heybrad would've died. :)

Nice game, and I'll be interested who's the wolves. From this, I think you can pretty much be certain who they are.

[KWhit]

You notice that the werewolves have not risen up to kill you all. There are only six of you left.

[Raven]

Sorry Raiders, I didn't see any possible way I could save you.

With Brad and Deacon both now guaranteed villagers, one of them is surely going to be dead in the morning.

[Schmidty]

I have to be honest - After doing the math - Deacon is NOT a villager. something funky is going on. I told you all about GWB. He's a wolf. However, I am going to:

Vote ntndeacon



By the way, my bad, RA. :(

[Neon_Chaos]

Two werewolves left, one being the king.

I have been proven to suck at this, as my suspect list all turned out to be innocents. Good job of muddling us up werewolves.

[SirFozzie]

Assuming the Wolfies nosh tonight.

Probably 3-2.

Lynch one of the two unknown good guys? Game over.

Hit the regular wolf? 3-1 Good guys, and you have one shot at the wolf on the final day.

Lynch the Wolf King? 2-1. Wolf Eats that night..

you know what happens.

so.. by using pure stats.. you have a 1 in four shot of extending the game to another day. any of the three others besides the wolf means game over man.

(that is of course, assuming it's 3-2)

The paranoia will be fun to watch. :D

(forgot that now Heybrad's role is known)

[Desnudo]

Duke Heybrad :D

[Joe]

Ok, with only 6 of us left this is our last chance, unless theres only one wolf left. Heres how I see it:

Heybrad: Only confirmed villager, this much we know. Cannot be a wolf.

GWB: I posted the case for why I'm not a wolf yesterday, I'll leave it up to you guys to find a compelling case for why I am. Other than being quiet maybe.

NTNDeacon: Could be either the witness or a wolf. He got most everyone to follow him in voting for TAG, who turned out to be a wolf. Did he really view TAG as the witness, or were they working together? Also, deacon was a no-vote last night, which is a little suspicious to me. And its not the first time. If he's not the witness though, why wasn't the real witness come forward yet?

Neon_Chaos: Has been getting votes the past few days, most by Raven. Posted a list of suspects with 4 known villagers on it. The list could possibly have been posted to throw us off. Neon is either a wolf putting up a smokescreen, or a victim of bad circumstances like henry was. Comes up as looking suspicious according to RA's posts about the voting patterns posted yesterday.

Raven: Has flown under the radar most of the game. Voted for someone other than Blackadar on day 1. His sights have been set on neon for a while. Has he picked up on something the rest of us have missed, or are they trying to split the vote?

Schmidty: Posted a list yesterday myself and 2 known villagers. Possibly a situation similar to neon, or they could be working together. His late vote for Blackadar on day 1 is still puzzling to me, but could that be why Blacky was so pissed? 2 of his own voting for him after the deadline? Schmidty says that I'm a wolf, but instead he votes for deacon. Why would he do something like that? I don't get it.

[Schmidty]

I have no idea why I voted before the night events. Oh wait, yes I do: Too much drinky-drinky.

I take back my vote, since I might be dead after tonight. I'm really messing this game up with all of my paranoia. I feel terrible about possibly leading the charge in getting RA killed. :(

[Neon_Chaos]

Well, after being wrong so many times. I will keep my thoughts on who is a werewolf to myself. I will vote later, after the next villager goes, if it doesn't turn out to be me. If my hunch is correct, then I know who I'm voting for.

[KWhit]

Night 6

Those of you still alive awake numb. You have a dreadful feeling that it is only a matter of time. You make yourselves walk downstairs to see who it is this time. Sure enough, the are only 5 of you in the common room this morning.
You look around and identify who's missing. It's ntndeacon. You find what's left of the body in his room, but it's really almost beyond recognition. The wolves were especially vicious. Maybe it's revenge against ntndeacon for witnessing a previous attack. Or maybe the wolves know that the end is near and are giving into their bloodlust. Either way, the result is the same. Ntndeacon is dead.

You know that there is 1 or 2 wolves left. You can't afford any more mistakes.

Good luck.

[KWhit]

The Few, The Proud, The Alive:
Raven
Neon_Chaos
heybrad
George W Bush
Schmidty

Pushing Up Daisies:
Blackadar - Werewolf, lynched Day 1
Fouts - Villager, lynched Day 2
Thomkal - Villager, killed by Werewolves Night 2
kingfc22 - Sorcerer, lynched, Day 3
mrsimperless - Villager, killed by Werewolves Night 3
Token Asian Guy - Werewolf, lynched Day 4
digamma - Bodyguard, killed by Werewolves Night 4
henry296 - Villager, lynched Day 5
JeeberD - Seer, killed by werewolves Night 5
Raiders Army - Villager, lynched Day 6
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[Neon_Chaos]

And there were 5.

[KevinNU7]

I'm surprised the wolves left heybrad around

[Neon_Chaos]

It sucks that I was left alive by the Wolfies because I practically did their job for them. I was the one pointing fingers at the wrong people, and look where we've ended up in. You Wolfies owe me a big thanks.

Well, since I'm here anyway, I'm going to continue pointing fingers... I can't do anything else if I just shut up.

Two scenarios. Two werewolves left, or one werewolf left.

If there are two werewolves left then, I think that Schmidty is a werewolf. His last second beyond overtime vote that sent Blackadar to the gallows (after the JeeberD switch that made the vote even steven, between Blackie and Schmidty)... and the subsequent change of TAG from Buzzbee. I think that the werewolves were unorganized at the start, but were were too late to stop the Schmidty and Blackie votes. GWB was the #3 vote on Blackie, but when JeeberD switched from Schmidty to Blackie, a switch by GWB to Buzzbee or someone else might have given him away. In the end, Schmidty made the tie-breaking vote (after deadline) and TAG made the mistake of jumping in at the last second as well.

The one thing that really set everything off is that you set up a hard-sell on GWB being a Wolf. Maybe because he's the Wolf King?

Unless there's only one werewolf left, who IS the Wolf King, which makes this vote pretty much a crapshoot because all of my reasoning above goes into the shredder and everyone except heybrad is a prime suspect. And I know that I'm not a werewolf.

So there, if there are only two werewolves left, I think Schmidty is the werewolf, and GWB is the Wolf King. If there's only one wolfie left, it's going to be a crapshoot vote for me.

heybrad, you're the only innocent in this. Raven, while I think that you're highly suspicious, I have no other choice but to put my faith in my belief that you are not a wolf based on your actions recently.

GWB, I think that you're either the werewolf king or not a werewolf at all.

I am a villager. I'm saying this right now, vote for me and we lose.

Schmidty, this is a crapshoot vote... you're my highest rated suspect as a wolf, and not as the wolf king.

Vote Schmidty

[Neon_Chaos]

Dola, my reasoning for the werewolves all voting for Blackie was that they would rather sacrifice one guy and have everyone have a blanket of innocence over them, than have a draw vote and still be under suspicion.

[Schmidty]

I'm with you Neon. Your reasoning in your vote is very good, and I have never thought you were a wolf. I know it rings hollow when one of us says "I'm a villager", but I really actually am. I feel like I screwed this whole game up with my getting RA suspected. :(

I know it looks like I'm all over the place with my voting, but I'm not. I am SURE about one thing:

Vote Geroge W Bush

As far as the other wolf (if there is one), it's either Neon or Raven. Since I don't think it's Neon. It has to be Raven.

[Raiders Army]

With the vote tied, you expect a duel. The tension is running high. One of you says, "Get the Innkeeper. We'll need weapons to settle this."

"That's not necessary, gentlemen," heybrad says as the innkeeper approaches.

Heybrad stands and crosses the room. The innkeeper bows. "Ah, your grace. I didn't know we were lucky enough to have royalty staying with us!"

The rest of you look to one another, confused. "Yes, it is I, Duke Heybrad, and I will NOT be lynched here tonight. Instead it will be he!"

Heybrad's finger points to..... Raiders Army.

"What?" he screams. "That's not fair! It's a corruption of power, I tell you! I'm a great swordsman, too. I would have bested him! I know it!"

But you don't listen. The Duke has told you what to do and you do it. You string Raiders Army up. He struggles. He wails. And then he dies. But he does not turn into a werewolf.

You have lynched another innocent villager.

"Ah well," says the Duke. "I gave it my best shot."
Just a game mechanics question. Did you randomly pick heybrad to lose, and then he revealed himself as the Duke, or did he win, and then reveal himself? I hope it was the former, not the latter, since if it was the latter, he revealed himself unnecessarily.

[KWhit]

Actually, I randomly generated the duel and posted the results before remembering that heybrad left his duke instructions for me earlier in the day. I removed the mistake posting (which actually had you, RA, winning) and posted what you see now.

But disregarding my stupid mistake (which thankfully didn't reveal anything), as far as the game is concerned, there was no duel. Heybrad revealed himself before it went to a duel (being a foppish sort of Duke, he's not very good at swordplay and didn't want to die).

:)

[Raiders Army]

I knew it! I would've won!

[KWhit]

I knew it! I would've won!
That's why I put in this snippet of dialogue in the write-up.

"What?" he screams. "That's not fair! It's a corruption of power, I tell you! I'm a great swordsman, too. I would have bested him! I know it!"
:p

[heybrad]

I'm stumped. There's very little activity in this thread and I wonder if its because the wolves are on the threshold of victory.

Ugh.

[Raven]

I'm certain Neon is a wolf. Whether he is working with GWB or Schmidty, I am not sure of, I am 50/50 either way.


Neon was the main person to lead the Henry vs Brad thing. Posts #395 and #402 show him leading the charge, acting as if Henry and Brad were really the ONLY candidates to go. Note post #395 also leaves RaidersArmy set up for later, after Brad and Henry are both gone.


They had me sold it was Brad or Henry who were the wolves. Then post #404 came along, and was the eye-opener for me. The first time I read it, I completely overlooked it. I was most likely going to vote Henry or Brad, going with the flow, but when I was doing some analysis, I stumbled on Brad's post about him being the Duke. It looks so obvious now, but at the time, I don't think anyone got the hint. I tried to turn things around in post #406, but everyone was so focused on Henry vs Brad, it didn't gather any momentum.

The Brad vs Henry situation reminded me of the King vs Fouts situation. Kill one guy, if he isn't the wolf, the next day you go and kill the other one. It's perfect for the wolves. Night kill, lynch henry, night kill, lynch brad, night kill, now you have RaidersArmy set up for today, and then another night kill.

You guys can accuse me of being a wolf if you want, but that's 7 consecutive villager kills. If I was a wolf, no way in hell would I pass up that opportunity.



Today is easy

Vote Neon

[digamma]

Three different votes.

Come on Villagers. Band together.

[KWhit]

Voting so far:
Schmidty 1 (Neon_Chaos)
George W Bush 1 (Schmidty)
Neon_Chaos 1 (Raven)

[heybrad]

Vote Neon_Chaos

[KWhit]

Voting so far:
Schmidty 1 (Neon_Chaos)
George W Bush 1 (Schmidty)
Neon_Chaos 2 (Raven, heybrad)

[Schmidty]

Damnit, heybrad. We need to get GWB or we're screwed. I know you don't believe me now (after all of my screw-ups), but GWB is a definite wolf. I actually sort of believe Neon. I think Raven is the other wolf (if there is one).

[heybrad]

In post 528 you say that you agree with Neon, but he's voting for you. ??? You also point the finger at Raven and Neon, but for no reason decide that Neon is OK. You were pretty quick to attack my vote.

This reeks of me being right on track and you scrambling to get my vote changed, which to me means, there are 2 wolves with Neon being the regular wolf and you being the wolf king.

[Schmidty]

In post 528 you say that you agree with Neon, but he's voting for you. ??? You also point the finger at Raven and Neon, but for no reason decide that Neon is OK. You were pretty quick to attack my vote.

This reeks of me being right on track and you scrambling to get my vote changed, which to me means, there are 2 wolves with Neon being the regular wolf and you being the wolf king.

You're wrong. You'll see. I guess we lose tonight for sure. :(

I guess I'm playing the game very well. I am absolutely sure about GWB and pretty sure about Raven. The only reason I think Neon is ok, is because of my gut and the tone of his posts. Maybe I'm wrong and he's a wolf. I really hope he is if he's the one that ends up getting lynched tonight. Maybe we'll luck ourselves into a win. Shit happens.

[Swaggs]

I'm enjoying watching this desparation. :)

[Schmidty]

By the way, in my last post, I meant to say "I guess I'm not playing the game very well." I hate not being able to edit posts for grammatical stuff.

[KWhit]

I'm enjoying watching this desparation. :)
Me too.

[heybrad]

I'll consider changing my vote based on how GWB votes. Until I see that, no changes.

[Joe]

Time to vote. This post is building off of my post #519 from this morning, I don't feel like repeating everything thats still on the same page. I am certain now that Neon and Schmidty are both wolves. It seems pretty obvious to me that Neon is the king wolf, by the way he kept posting his list of suspects that have all been cleared as villagers. In his posts today, its almost like he wants us to lynch him. Theres no way he can be the duke, so he must be the king wolf. And he wouldn't do that unless he had someone else working with him, so they could sneak out a victory tomorrow. That person is schmidty. I am the last of the innocent people on Schmidty's list, so if I die, we lose.


I Vote For Schmidty

[Neon_Chaos]

I woke up early for this.

Aw. Come on. Damnit. GWB, you would have made it easier for me if you voted for me, that way I would know that you were the wolf. So now, it's you and Raven, trying to split this vote down between me and Schmidty.

My switching of this vote won't matter if heybrad doesn't switch this vote, so heybrad, I'm probably going to put all this burden on you. Switch to GWB and take a risk, or stick with me and I'm pretty sure that we all die.

Unovte Schmidty
Vote GWB

[Schmidty]

I woke up early for this.

Aw. Come on. Damnit. GWB, you would have made it easier for me if you voted for me, that way I would know that you were the wolf. So now, it's you and Raven, trying to split this vote down between me and Schmidty.

My switching of this vote won't matter if heybrad doesn't switch this vote, so heybrad, I'm probably going to put all this burden on you. Switch to GWB and take a risk, or stick with me and I'm pretty sure that we all die.

Unovte Schmidty
Vote GWB

Good job Neon. Now I just hope heybrad makes the right decision. His vote for GWB will either signal a victory for us, or a vote for anyone else will signal a victory for the wolves.

It's all on you, heybrad. If you want win the game, vote for GWB. I can't make it more blunt than that.

[Neon_Chaos]

I figure there's no way the vote can swing towards Raven. And I know that if I die, we lose. So I'll still have to go with the GWB vote, despite me having a feeling that he's the Wolf King. I don't think heybrad will switch though, all the evidence pointing towards me has been pretty damning, but I assure you heybrad, I'm just the unluckiest guy in the entire world.

[Raven]

but I assure you heybrad, I'm just the unluckiest guy in the entire world.

That's a convenient excuse. It's funny how you voted Schmidty, then changed your mind once you saw how the voting played out.

It's clear Schmidty and GWB aren't working together here. That means only one is a wolf.

Now I just need to figure out exactly what Neon is planning here. Does he want GWB lynched because he is a villager, or does he want GWB lynched because he is the wolf king?

[Schmidty]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrowl.....snarl...woof....woof.........pant....Ahhhhooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I don't speak werewolf, buddy.

[KWhit]

With about 20 minutes to go:

Schmidty 1 (George W Bush)
George W Bush 2 (Schmidty, Neon_Chaos)
Neon_Chaos 2 (Raven, heybrad)

[Neon_Chaos]

The way I see it, with GWB voting for Schmidty, it's going to be a 2-2 tie between me and him.

Perhaps you werewolves want it to go that way, maybe Schmidty is a villager, and you basically win the game without risking it. If GWB voted for me then heybrad will probably suspect something's wrong. Instead, he votes for another villager and splits the votes between to villagers? That's the way it looks to me.

I'd rather have a tie with GWB than a tie with Schmidty, because I'm certain that GWB's a werewolf and 50/50 on you and Schmidty being werewolves.

Either way, we're all screwed because GWB's probably the Wolf King, and you're the other werewolf.

[Schmidty]

Come on Heybrad, save us. We only have 15 minutes left before we lose if you don't change your vote.

[Neon_Chaos]

dola. that post was directed at Raven. :P

[Raven]

Sorry, I don't speak werewolf, buddy.



Great attitude. Now I know how Raiders felt when you went out of your way to have him killed.

You've either played this game really well as a wolf, or you were the biggest sucker as a villager.

[Neon_Chaos]

Excuse me.

I think I'm the biggest sucker as a villager.

:(

[Schmidty]

Great attitude. Now I know how Raiders felt when you went out of your way to have him killed.

You've either played this game really well as a wolf, or you were the biggest sucker as a villager.

That hurts. :(

I know I've messed up, but I don't think I've been a sucker. Just a bit gung-ho about the wrong people, like RA. This was my first time playing a game like this. I'm still learning, I guess.

[Swaggs]

Excuse me.

I think I'm the biggest sucker as a villager.

:(

Blood sucker?

[Raven]

That hurts. :(

I know I've messed up, but I don't think I've been a sucker. Just a bit gung-ho about the wrong people, like RA. This was my first time playing a game like this. I'm still learning, I guess.


You are right, you've been gung ho about the wrong people before. Now you are convinced GWB and I are working together. You are convinced both of us are wolves, and now you are going along with Neon.


That either connects the two of you, or he is playing you like a flute.

You vote Neon, we live another day. You vote GWB, and you don't know if he is the villager, or the wolf king.

[Raven]

Kwhit, does the voting end at exactly 8pm?

[Neon_Chaos]

You vote Neon, we live another day. You vote GWB, and you don't know if he is the villager, or the wolf king.

I said it before, I'll say it again.

Vote for me and we lose to the werewolves.

[Schmidty]

Shit. Now that I think about it, Neon might be voting for GWB because he knows GWB is the King.

Fuck. I'm probably going to regret this:

Un-Vote GWB

Vote Neon-Chaos

[Schmidty]

I feel like a fucking fiddle.

[Neon_Chaos]

Since this is all wrapping up, and heybrad isn't likely to come in and change his vote... I'd have to say that this was fun, wolfies. GWB, Schmidty, Raven... two of you are werewolves, and I don't want to rack my brain anymore figuring out who's who. I was a horrible detective, pointing out all those innocents... and the harsh irony of it all, I'm here at what could probably be the final vote, being voted out. I suck at this. :) Seriously. Hah.

Well, there's no changing the inevitable, might as well end it right now.

I'm sure most of the guys will be surprised to find out that I'm not a werewolf, considering how I played the game. I just sucked, and the werewolves played a solid, solid game.

Unvote GWB
Vote Neon Chaos

[Raven]

Brad and GWB aren't here with 5 minutes to go. We have to assume their votes are locked in at this point.

[Swaggs]

This is exciting. :)

[Schmidty]

Since this is all wrapping up, and heybrad isn't likely to come in and change his vote... I'd have to say that this was fun, wolfies. GWB, Schmidty, Raven... two of you are werewolves, and I don't want to rack my brain anymore figuring out who's who. I was a horrible detective, pointing out all those innocents... and the harsh irony of it all, I'm here at what could probably be the final vote, being voted out. I suck at this. :) Seriously. Hah.

Well, there's no changing the inevitable, might as well end it right now.

I'm sure most of the guys will be surprised to find out that I'm not a werewolf, considering how I played the game. I just sucked, and the werewolves played a solid, solid game.

Unvote GWB
Vote Neon Chaos

Stop that!!!!! My head's going to explode!!!!

I fucking give up. :(

[Neon_Chaos]

You were the one who changed your vote Schmidty. NOW, VOTE BACK FOR GWB, LET'S TAKE THIS RISK, 50/50... If I die, then so be it. But I know and you know that GWB is a werewolf. BUT DON'T GIVE UP ON ME.

Unvote Neon_Chaos
VOTE GWB

[Schmidty]

So now maybe Neon's the King. This sucks. I feel like a blind-man picking out wallpaper.

[Raven]

I guess thats supposed to convince me that you are innocent in the 11th hour, Neon.

It's not going to work. It's been fun though.

[Neon_Chaos]

Yeah, Raven. It's been fun. You werewolf.

[Fouts]

You were the one who changed your vote Schmidty. NOW, VOTE BACK FOR GWB, LET'S TAKE THIS RISK, 50/50... If I die, then so be it. But I know and you know that GWB is a werewolf. BUT DON'T GIVE UP ON ME.

Unvote Neon_Chaos
VOTE GWB

You unvote yourself? Classic blunder.

[Schmidty]

Just to let you know that regardless of the outcome, I hate you all. I feel like a dirty whore being passed around by ex-NBA stars at a strip bar.

[Neon_Chaos]

I've had blunders all over this thread. Heh. :)

But I'm not a werewolf.

[Swaggs]

Schmidty, you could be the MVP. Or LVP.

Good luck, buddy! :)

[Fouts]

My bad I didn't see you vote for yourself. That's kinda creepy, you wouldn't need any help lynching yourself.

[Neon_Chaos]

Fouts: last ditch effort to persuade Schmidty after he switched his vote to me.

I still think it's going to be pointless because GWB's probably the werewolf king.

[Raven]

Yeah, Raven. It's been fun. You werewolf.




I liked your plea at the end. Schmidty changes his mind, then you vote yourself to trick him into believing you were innocent. If you hadn't switched back so quick, he may have believed you.

Don't worry Schmidty, we'll get one more day at this, as long as Neon wasn't the werewolf king.

We can take out GWB tomorrow.

[Fouts]

I have no idea whats going on, good thing you guys killed me early.

[Neon_Chaos]

Don't worry Schmidty, we'll get one more day at this, as long as Neon wasn't the werewolf king.


No you won't. And I'm not even a werewolf.

You played a great game, Raven. Lying low until the last days, and now acting like you're the voice of reason. Wolfie.

[KWhit]

Day 7:
Schmidty 1 (George W Bush)
George W Bush 1 (Neon_Chaos)
Neon_Chaos 3 (Raven, heybrad, Schmidty)

This is how I have it.

[Raven]

Dude, the game isn't over. And I am not a werewolf.

[Neon_Chaos]

Do it, KWhit. Get this over with.

[Neon_Chaos]

Wouldn't it be funny if I was right all along and Schmidty/GWB were the werewolves? :)

[Raven]

Does that mean Schmidty and GWB were wolves???

[Raven]

holy fuck......we both got played

[Schmidty]

holy fuck......we both got played

Where do you see that?

[Neon_Chaos]

If it still counts.

Unvote GWB
Vote Schmidty

[Thomkal]

Quite frankly at the moment I think you are all wolves and vote to hang you all. ;)

[Schmidty]

If it still counts.

Unvote GWB
Vote Schmidty

It shouldn't count. KWhit said that the votes were done - "This is how I have it" is what he said.

And this just confirms you as a wolf Neon.

[Schmidty]

And the dealine passed 12 minutes ago.

[KevinNU7]

Kwhit types slow hun?

[Raven]

I think the voting is over for the day, and KWhit is doing the write up.

[Neon_Chaos]

If Schmidty is the wolf, then man... you played a GREAT game.

If Raven is the wolf, then yes... we did get played.

All I'm sure is that two of the other three (Raven, Schmidty. GWB) are the werewolves, perhaps even both Raven and Schmidty since you were the onyl two guys who actually bothered to show up here at the end, other than me.

[Vince]

Holy crap this is crazy.

[Neon_Chaos]

Regardless of who the wolves are, it's been fun. Thanks for keeping me alive until the last day, and hope that you get shot by silver bullets or something. :D

[KWhit]

Neon_Chaos is taken quickly to the hanging rope. He is resigned to his fate. His death is quick.

You wait for him to turn. As you watch you notice GWB give a slight nod to Raven and the slaughter is on. The two werewolves pounce, overwhelming heybrad and Schmidty.

The wolves feed very well.

Congratulations to the forces of evil!

[Raven]

Im supposed to go see a movie tonight. I need the results!!!

[Neon_Chaos]

I told you so.

[KevinNU7]

nice work wolves. I have to say I am shocked you managed so well this round when you left heybrad around

[Neon_Chaos]

Now, care to reveal who was the Wolf King?

[Schmidty]

:(

[KWhit]

The living werewolves:
Raven
George W Bush

Everyone else:
Blackadar - Werewolf, lynched Day 1
Fouts - Villager, lynched Day 2
Thomkal - Villager, killed by Werewolves Night 2
kingfc22 - Sorcerer, lynched, Day 3
mrsimperless - Villager, killed by Werewolves Night 3
Token Asian Guy - Werewolf, lynched Day 4
digamma - Bodyguard, killed by Werewolves Night 4
henry296 - Villager, lynched Day 5
JeeberD - Seer, killed by werewolves Night 5
Raiders Army - Villager, lynched Day 6
ntndeacon - Witness, killed by Werewolves Night 6
Neon_Chaos - Lynched, Day 7
heybrad - eaten by wolves, Day 7
Schmidty - Eaten by wolves, Day 7

[Raven]

Schmidty, I love you. Sorry, I had no choice at the end. You were my only hope. Otherwise it would have been a duel between Neon and GWB, you guys would have taken me out tomorrow.

[Schmidty]

I was right about Raven and GWB all along. I over-thought things. I should have never listened to Raven. Damn. Sorry Neon. :(

[Fouts]

Wow, way to go wolves. I like how Raven was still saying he is not a wolf 7 minutes after the voting ended, even though he already knew he won.

[mrsimperless]

Awwww, I had neon pegged as a wolf!! Excellent work Raven. You would have been my last choice to be a Wolf.

[Neon_Chaos]

naw it's alright. we both played horrible games anyway. hah. :)

But yeah, when GWB voted for you, I knew it was Raven and GWB.

I only hoped you would switch at the last minute.

[Raven]

I was wolf king

[mrsimperless]

Do we know if the cursed was turned? Or were all the wolves born with hair on their faces?

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, you could be the MVP. Or LVP.

Good luck, buddy! :)

I am definitely the MVP......for the damned wolves. :mad:

[Raven]

GWB was the cursed, we nailed him on day 1.

[Neon_Chaos]

now, can we all agree that I played a horrible, horrible game? how many villagers did I send to the gallows? lol.

[Swaggs]

Good show guys.

Nice work KWhit.

[Raven]

If you guys want to know why you were killed, feel free to ask. Ill be here for a little bit.

[Neon_Chaos]

BUT that last minute switch to myself was a thing of beauty. :-P too bad it didn't work.

[JeeberD]

Dammit, I knew that neon was clean. And that Schmidty was clean. I sooooooo wanted to say something...it's difficult being dead. :(

[KWhit]

Fun game guys. That was close til the end.

[Raven]

KWhit, thanks. It's been a lot of fun.

No hard feelings guys, I had a great time. I hope you did too.

[Schmidty]

Well, I was right trying to get heybrad to change his vote. Unfortunately, I changed my vote the wrong way. This was so much fun, but REALLY hate losing this way.

[Swaggs]

Stay tuned for Raven giving the post-game press conference.

[Neon_Chaos]

lol. I wonder how heybrad's going to feel when he sees this.

[Raiders Army]

Nice game. Raven and GWB. I thought GWB was one after I got killed, but I thought Neon_Chaos was another.

[Raven]

After Fouts and Kingfc died, we were playing for the seer. We didnt know who he was, I genuinely thought it was neon or raiders.

Brad said he was the duke in post #404. From there, I only knew he wasnt the seer. Raiders made a mistake somewhere when he psoted about the seer. Schmidty also said "does that mean you are the seer". From there, I knew it was jeeber. We got him that night.

[Fouts]

Dammit, I knew that neon was clean. And that Schmidty was clean. I sooooooo wanted to say something...it's difficult being dead. :(

Wow, crucial information. How did the wolves happen across Jeeber when they did?

[kingfc22]

Woot. Go bad guys.

[Neon_Chaos]

Was there any other reason you guys kept me alive, other than the fact that I was a really, really helpful villager in your quest to kill all of us? :)

[Schmidty]

Was there any other reason you guys kept me alive, other than the fact that I was a really, really helpful villager in your quest to kill all of us? :)

Yeah, I'm curious as to why I was left alive too. I assume it was because I kept saying that Raven and GWB were the wolves, and killing me would cast suspicion on them.

[Raven]

Neon, everyone you pointed a finger at ended up dead.....and to be a villagers.

My post earlier today, when I voted for you, was why I had to have you here today. You nearly pulled this one out though. GWB and I knew you were in another time zone, so we figured your vote would come early, and you wouldn't be back around. We figured we'd play our strategy based on who you voted for.

GWB had to leave early, otherwise, he would have switched his vote to Neon and we would have won because Brad wasn't here at 8. Right when GWB was posting his vote, we saw you in the thread and nearly had a heart attack.

[Raven]

Schmidty, we didn't want deacon and brad both still alive today. We needed another suspect. We thought Brad would be on your ass because you helped kill off RA.

You really threw us for a loop last night when you voted ntndeacon. We almost kept deacon alive just because of that.

[Neon_Chaos]

Lol. I woke up extra early because I assumed that you wolves would try to take advantage of that fact.

I logged in at about 6:30-ish. Saw GWB and heybrad. I then drove to work, took me 30 minutes. Arrived here at work about 7:10, Then I saw GWB's vote, and knew that Schmidty was probably innocent. :)

[Raven]

I see Thomkal is here. We killed him because he was suspicous of everyone who bandwagonned his votes (I did it twice). He then said something about "we'll know tomorrow". I thought he was the seer, and he had me paranoid. That's why he was killed.

I felt really bad about killing MrSimperless. He seemed to be a very intuitive guy, and I would have liked to play the game with him.


Fouts vs Kingfc played out nicely. We didn't have to do anything. Henry vs Brad almost played out that way too, but then brad changed the game when he said he was the Duke.

GWB made the call on digamma. Taking out the bodyguard was very helpful later in the game.

[Neon_Chaos]

Anyway. Again, it was a good game. Hope to do it again. :P

To the innocent villagers that died because of my unlucky pointing finger, sorry. :)

[kingfc22]

Fouts vs Kingfc played out nicely. We didn't have to do anything.
That wasn't very nice.

[Fouts]

I was right about King. But who knew the first guy suspected would turn out to be a wolf.

So why was Blakadar so upset?

[Raiders Army]

I was right about King. But who knew the first guy suspected would turn out to be a wolf.

So why was Blakadar so upset?
:rolleyes:

[Raiders Army]

Heheh.

[Schmidty]

Heheh.

Dude, I just have to say sorry again. I really played this game like shit when I look back on it. I shouldn't have made it as far as I did.

[Schmidty]

Anyway, good job to Raven and GWB. You played me and kicked my ass. But I still had fun, regardless of this giant headache.

[Thomkal]

Well little did I know back when I set my wolf trap on day 2 that I would get not one but two wolves. In the post that very likely got me eaten, I did not mention the real reason I posted about not jumping on the Blackadar bandwagon...because I knew the wolves would not vote Blackadar then (not knowing he was a wolf then of course) and would take the opportunity to vote for someone else so as not to look suspicious. So who voted for Buzzbee along with me? Token Asian Guy and Raven, both wolves. Argh. I kept it to myself hoping to use it later on against them, but never got the chance. TAG was easy to pin a wolf badge on due to his late vote change, but I'm not sure I ever would have voted for Raven. I think people gave GWB the benefit of the doubt for a long time after the explanation of why he always voted late in the day.

I was almost certain for a long time that Schmidty was a wolf (until someone told me what Jeeber's visions were). He never replied to my accusation of him, and TAG not once, but twice brought him up when talking about Raiders Army's list and how it proved Schmidty's innocence. I was like "Hello! Wolf!" And then nobody ever went back and checked TAG's posts for clues it seems. Everything made perfect sense to me until I found out Schmidty was a villager. Then I was completely clueless. :)

And speaking of Jeebs visions, I had no idea he was the Seer, even after he was "outed" because I looked back through his posts after he was killed and saw not one clue he left to help us out. That had to be a tough role to play especially first time out, not sure how I would have handled it, but not revealing his visions was in a large part why the villagers lost I think. (no offense intended Jeebs just analyzing how the game went). I made the post that got me killed because I knew I was a villager, and I'd be happy with a villager win even if I died. The post was intended to give the Seer some people to look at, and a little extra time to do so with my death. Little did I know that I would also accuse the Seer in that post. Oops. :) Sorry about that Jeebs. You were right about the vote count by the way, I went back after your post and saw that I had miscounted thanks to Blackadar's editing.

No offense either to Raiders Army and Schmidty. You two dominated the discussion at times, and the wolves were happy to ride your backs to victory. The both of you confused the heck out of me to be honest-I thought at one point you were villagers, other times cursed, others wolves. :)

Speaking of cursed, I know now who the bodyguard protected in Week 1, what I would like to know is who the wolves targeted in Week 1? Did you hit the bodyguard's target or get lucky and get the Cursed?

All in all a well played game by all sides. We did a good job in finding two wolves and a sorceror early, theh the wolves did a good job saving their remaining hides for the three remaining days after the last wolf lynching.

Thanks very much to KWhit for running the game.

[Raven]

GWB's explanation of his day 1 voting was sincere, because he was a villager.


Before we even got started playing, TAG, Blackie and I decided to kill GWB because he was an experienced player.

We got lucky because our night 1 hit of GWB was the cursed.

I don't know why Blackie was so pissed. He thought people were voting for personal reasons. Im really sorry taht he went back and edited posts. I hope it didn't tarnish the game for anyone.

[JeeberD]

As far as me not giving out hints, none of the guys that I knew were clean were ever in trouble, so I never had to defend them. I really didn't know how to subtly put out there who I knew was clean, though. I really didn't want to draw attention to myself.

Oh, and sorry Fouts. You were the first guy I viewed and even though KWhit told me you were a villager I thought you were on the wolves side anyways and voted for you. So sorry 'bout that... :o

[digamma]

As the bodyguard I was almost completely a failure, though I did protect all villagers.

The first night I protected Schmidty because of a post by RaidersArmy identifying him as a villager. I was hoping that I had gotten lucky with a random correct pick, but I see now the wolves were able to turn the cursed that night.

The second night I protected RaidersArmy, because it seemed he had been the most vocal to that point. Instead, the wolves took out Thomkal, who had one long, insightful post, but I thought he would be overlooked by the wolves.

Night three was probably the biggest mistake on my part. Simperless was the obvious choice and was targeted, but I thought the wolves would assume the bodyguard was protecting simperless and pick someone else. I went with ntndeacon at that point, on a hunch.

That of course put me in a bind because the next day was ntndeacon's reveal, so I couldn't protect him again that night. I went with RaidersArmy again, because it seemed like the wolves had gone back to targeting the vocal ones. That's when the wolves got me.

Maybe some overthinking on my part.

I thought maybe I had been right in my initial vote for Raven that day, and that's why the wolves had targeted me. Now I see it was GWB who was my nemesis.

All in all, good game. Congrats, wolves.

[Joe]

great game guys. it was fun playing and finally getting to the end. not much to add to the discussion that Raven hasn't covered. obviously the turning point was when we took out digamma. I originally sent a PM to Kwhit to kill off Neon on that night, but right after I did he made a post with all kinds of accusations, so I thought it was worth it to keep him around, plus I thought he might have been guarded. So I decided to pick someone in the middle of the pack that wasnt too vocal or too quiet. I was deciding between Jeeber and Digamma, then saw Digamma's post about how "we needed to get lucky with the bodyguard" and that was it.

[henry296]

Thanks KWhit.

I probably should've stayed on the heybrad bandwagon when it was down to the 2 of us. Now that I re-read his post about an alternative it was perfectly clear. Also, I truly did miss all of the action Saturday about the witness which lead to my death. After I dead, I really thought the Schmidty was the seer because of his comments about trusting him to vote for heybrad instead of me. I guess he picked up on brad's duke comments.

Todd

[Joe]

also, when we got the PM that deacon had witnessed our attack, we were in an AIM chat and decided for Raven and I to pile on TAG right away, so it wouldnt look suspicious with us either doing it at the end or going for deacon. I thought I could play it to my advantage that I helped get rid of 2 wolves.

[digamma]

I was deciding between Jeeber and Digamma, then saw Digamma's post about how "we needed to get lucky with the bodyguard" and that was it.
So, that post was my undoing.

I thought someone had caught on to my repeated use of "Rest assured..."

[Thomkal]

Obviously I cross posted with some of your comments Raven.

Wow getting the cursed on Day 1. That was really a wild day for the odds with both a werewolf and the cursed being hit. I was explaining my theory to Digamma after he died that I thought perhaps the Cursed had been hit on day 1, and someone else in the game also said it during the middle of the game-Henry or Neon I think, but no one really pursued it. I couldn't quite believe that the wolves would go after Schmidty on day 1 since he was easy "villagers think I'm a wolf" fodder after all the votes for him on Day 1 and my accusations later. I'm not sure anything could have been pursued with it anyway.

Jeebs yeah I know it sucked only getting villagers in your visions and not wanting to reveal till you got a wolf. The Seer was the hardest role to play I think because of that. But at some point, I think the Seer has to be a sacrifice in order to help the villagers win. If you had revealed who you had seen you would have cleared brad, neon, and Schmidty (henry too if he was still alive by then) , which really would have narrowed down the potential wolves. Not blaming you, because I understand why you felt like you couldn't reveal.

[Joe]

I knew my vote today would get someone to switch. If I voted for Neon, Brad wouldve switched, and if I voted for Schmidty, Neon wouldve switched. I was hoping Neon wouldn't have been around. But I had to make that final post right after work, then I had to go out again. I was also strongly considering not voting today. I don't know how that would've changed things. If I wouldve been around during the deadline, it probably would've gone differently.

[Joe]

oh yeah, I wanted to kill schmidty off early, but Raven thought we should keep him around and it could work to his advantage, since they knew each other outside of the game.

[Neon_Chaos]

When GWB voted for Schmidty, I was about 90% sure that it was Raven/GWB. I wasn't sure who was the Wolf King though, and I was willing to take a 50/50 chance by riding with Schmidty's GWB vote and get a duel.

Unfortunately, Raven played some mind games on Schmidty and he switched, and my last second plea couldn't seal the deal for us. :)

[Schmidty]

oh yeah, I wanted to kill schmidty off early, but Raven thought we should keep him around and it could work to his advantage, since they knew each other outside of the game.

Well, that worked out for you, since Raven's guilt trip really convinced me. I'm such a sucker.

[Joe]

in case you guys didn't know, I was really serious about not being able to post at FOFC from work. in fact, I was going to ask kwhit for a replacement, but when I came home to find 4 PMs in my inbox about me now being a wolf, I figured what the hell.

[Neon_Chaos]

oh, and thanks for running the game again, KWhit! :)

[KWhit]

I enjoyed it, guys! I think you all played a good game. I hope you enjoyed it!

I'll run another more experimental and complex game in a week or two, so keep your eyes peeled.

[Schmidty]

I enjoyed it, guys! I think you all played a good game. I hope you enjoyed it!

I'll run another more experimental and complex game in a week or two, so keep your eyes peeled.

Sign me up right now in case I don't see it in time!!! You ran a super game. Thanks again.

[KWhit]

You're on the list!

[Thomkal]

Oh and I felt real bad about Fouts being jumped on for what I thought was pretty shaky reasons at the time. I thought it was an innocent comment, but had to go along with it to save my own skin. Because you see I was the first one to suggest we shouldn't be voting for Blackadar not you-and no one picked up on it after it was revealed he was a wolf. Instead they went after you. Would have liked to have defended you.

Oh and I thought the whole "butt sniffing" reason for voting for Blackadar was pretty crazy too. :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Sign me up as well KWhit! :)

[Fouts]

Yes, I got the shaft. Lucky for the werewolves. I never suspected Raven, but GWB was suspicious.

[Neon_Chaos]

JeeberD, who were the guys that you viewed?

[heybrad]

Great game Kwhit. I was surprised that a lot of focus stayed on me after what I thought we're pretty easy hints that I was the Duke. I kept getting in a position where I was sure about a guy and then he'd give a great "Save Me, You're Wrong" speech. I felt like if I switched at that point I'd look like a sucker so I stuck with my votes. I guess it didnt turn out so well.

[Schmidty]

Great game Kwhit. I was surprised that a lot of focus stayed on me after what I thought we're pretty easy hints that I was the Duke. I kept getting in a position where I was sure about a guy and then he'd give a great "Save Me, You're Wrong" speech. I felt like if I switched at that point I'd look like a sucker so I stuck with my votes. I guess it didnt turn out so well.

Told ya so. ;)

[Peregrine]

Congratulations wolves! Nicely played in this one, from what I read.

[mrsimperless]

From what I heard Jeeber saw Schmidty, Henry, heybrad, and ntndeacon as villagers. He saw no wolves.

[Raven]

KWhit, the only problem I had with the roles was the sorceror. It's a nice basis of a role, but I think you should consider expanding it a bit.

Maybe just eliminate one wolf, and let the sorceror be a wolf, but with the power to see the seer.

Or maybe just let the sorceror know who the wolves are, but not let the wolves know who the sorceror is?

You can play with the idea a bit, but as it now stands, I think the sorceror role isn't very important. Maybe it's just because ours got killed off early. How has the role been in the other games?

[Raiders Army]

As the bodyguard I was almost completely a failure, though I did protect all villagers.

The first night I protected Schmidty because of a post by RaidersArmy identifying him as a villager. I was hoping that I had gotten lucky with a random correct pick, but I see now the wolves were able to turn the cursed that night.

The second night I protected RaidersArmy, because it seemed he had been the most vocal to that point. Instead, the wolves took out Thomkal, who had one long, insightful post, but I thought he would be overlooked by the wolves.

Night three was probably the biggest mistake on my part. Simperless was the obvious choice and was targeted, but I thought the wolves would assume the bodyguard was protecting simperless and pick someone else. I went with ntndeacon at that point, on a hunch.

That of course put me in a bind because the next day was ntndeacon's reveal, so I couldn't protect him again that night. I went with RaidersArmy again, because it seemed like the wolves had gone back to targeting the vocal ones. That's when the wolves got me.

Maybe some overthinking on my part.

I thought maybe I had been right in my initial vote for Raven that day, and that's why the wolves had targeted me. Now I see it was GWB who was my nemesis.

All in all, good game. Congrats, wolves.
Thanks for watching my back. :)

[Peregrine]

KWhit, the only problem I had with the roles was the sorceror. It's a nice basis of a role, but I think you should consider expanding it a bit.

Maybe just eliminate one wolf, and let the sorceror be a wolf, but with the power to see the seer.

Or maybe just let the sorceror know who the wolves are, but not let the wolves know who the sorceror is?

You can play with the idea a bit, but as it now stands, I think the sorceror role isn't very important. Maybe it's just because ours got killed off early. How has the role been in the other games?

I can try to answer this one. Yes, the Sorceror is a strange role. In some games, like my second one, there are two roles, one is the Sorceror and one is the Cultist. The Cultist knows who the wolves are but they don't know him, but doesn't have any other powers. The problem is that combining that with the Sorceror's ability makes that character TOO powerful. My new take on the Sorceror is that when they are scanning people to find the Seer, they can also ID the wolves at that point. Either they can only ID the first wolf they see (probably the best bet) or they can ID all of them. Of course this creates the possibility of a very strong Sorceror if he survives long enough!

[JeeberD]

From what I heard Jeeber saw Schmidty, Henry, heybrad, and ntndeacon as villagers. He saw no wolves.

You are correct. The night I got killed I was going to view RA. I'm apparently a terrible seer...

[KWhit]

I can try to answer this one. Yes, the Sorceror is a strange role. In some games, like my second one, there are two roles, one is the Sorceror and one is the Cultist. The Cultist knows who the wolves are but they don't know him, but doesn't have any other powers. The problem is that combining that with the Sorceror's ability makes that character TOO powerful. My new take on the Sorceror is that when they are scanning people to find the Seer, they can also ID the wolves at that point. Either they can only ID the first wolf they see (probably the best bet) or they can ID all of them. Of course this creates the possibility of a very strong Sorceror if he survives long enough!
I agree. Basically, in the rules we used this time, the sorcerer goes from having almost no power before he finds the seer, to having a LOT of power once he finds the seer.

The seer is a very powerful player and anyone who has the knowledge of who that is becomes very powerful - especially if no one else knows that you know. Think about it, not only can you try to get the seer lynched before he finds a wolf, but you can look at his old posts and see who he was defending (probably a known villager) and who he's strongly going after (probably a werewolf).

If the sorcerer finds the seer, he becomes a pretty powerful character.

[KWhit]

Sign me up as well KWhit! :)
Got you on the list.

[Raiders Army]

I'd like in as well. It might be interesting if we played a different game with the same people in different roles. Would biases carry over to the new game?

[KWhit]

I'd like in as well. It might be interesting if we played a different game with the same people in different roles. Would biases carry over to the new game?
I find that they do carry over a little bit, but only because people post similarly no matter what role they are.

A poster usually falls into a category while playing - whether they are insightful and pay attention, or if they are irrational, or maybe just never around and very quiet.

I find that I have biases for and against some of those player types. Those biases stay no matter what the roles are.

[Raven]

KWhit, you can sign me up for the next game.

I would have signed up WW6, but I needed a break. This game really is time intensive.

[KWhit]

Okey dokey.

[Raiders Army]

I guess since I asked to be part of Werewolf V, and it took a little prompting to actually get in, I'll have to be more straightforward.

KWHIT, YOU CAN SIGN ME UP FOR THE NEXT GAME AS WELL. :)

[KWhit]

You're on the list.

:)

[KWhit]

In fact, you were already on the list before the prompting.

[mrsimperless]

Me three KWhit. I'll have a Samuel Jackson too.

[Raiders Army]

Many thanx KWhit. Enjoyed this game.

[ntndeacon]

ooo, Iwould like to be on the list too Kwhit!

[mrsimperless]

Yes, and thank you for running things KWhit. It was a lot of fun. I had actually heard about the game for a while, but I hadn't heard of it being played on a message board before. Thanks for giving me the chance to try it out.

[Mr. Wednesday]

KWhit, you can sign me up for the next game.

I would have signed up WW6, but I needed a break. This game really is time intensive.It's not so bad when you manage to get yourself lynched in the first day. :p

[KWhit]

ooo, Iwould like to be on the list too Kwhit!
Done.

[Fouts]

It's not so bad when you manage to get yourself lynched in the first day. :p

Try inadventently supporting a werewolf, then nobody believing you made a mistake. At least I got vindication with the sorceror dying, too bad it didn't help.

[mrsimperless]

In case my idiotic post above made no sense I want to play in your next game as well Kwhit. :)

Sometimes my stupid references make a lot more sense to me than to others.

[KWhit]

I had figured it out.

[kingfc22]

Try inadventently supporting a werewolf, then nobody believing you made a mistake. At least I got vindication with the sorceror dying, too bad it didn't help.
Still unclear on why you find this vindicating. The sorcerer has no clue who the wolves are and vise-versa.