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KWhit
07-05-2005, 09:30 PM
Mount Fogg has always had an aura of mystery surrounding it. The inhabitants are not welcoming to strangers and tend to keep to themselves. Very few have ever made it out of their own small village. The reason? An old legend.

The legend states that the mountain is home to a coven of werewolves. The King of the Wolves made a deal with the villagers years ago. The wolves would leave the small town alone as long as a sacrifice was made. Once a season, the villagers must offer up one of their own to the wolves. For over a decade, this has gone on. What was once a thriving, bustling community is now almost a ghost town.

The villagers have decided that it is time to fight back. There was no sacrifice made this season. A number of people with special talents have been recruited by the inhabitants to do battle with the wolves. The wolves have come to the village to investigate and are suspected of staying at the Inn posing as travellers. The village inn is the battleground between the wolves and those that represent the village. The inhabitants of Mount Fogg are holed up in their houses awaiting one of two outcomes - a village victory, or a wolf victory and their horrible revenge.

KWhit
07-05-2005, 09:34 PM
RULES

Werewolf is a game of accusation, deduction, lying, reverse psychology, bandwagoning, and trying not to get lynched.

The rules are pretty simple: The players represent a village and each member of the village has a role which is kept secret. Most players are ordinary villagers but two or more are werewolves and one is a seer, there are some other roles which are explained later. The goal of the villagers is to eliminate all of the werewolves. The goal of the werewolves is to achieve 1:1 parity with the villagers at which time they can openly rise up and overwhelm the villagers thus winning the game.

Gameplay
The game consists of two different phases: Night and Day. The game begins with a Day phase.

Night
In a night phase I will ask the werewolves to choose a villager to “eat” and also ask the seer to choose one player to “view” (as well as other night actions from other players). The werewolves should decide amongst themselves using the board's PM function who their victim will be and inform the moderator of their choice.

The werewolves' victim is dead and is removed from the game, but the rest of the village won't find out until daytime who the victim is and what their secret role was.

Day
During the daytime the villagers all wake up and find that one of their own has been killed by the werewolves. At this point at least one player is a werewolf and so someone is gonna get lynched.

During this phase all players, including werewolves who have assumed villager form, must discuss their suspicions. Eventually it will reach a point where villagers start to cast votes for who they feel is a werewolf and must be lynched. Votes are cast by placing bold text in a post like this VOTE PLAYER A. If you want to change your vote, make another post saying UNVOTE PLAYER A - VOTE PLAYER B. At the end of the day (which is defined as 8:00pm eastern time) the player who received the most votes is lynched and is removed from the game. That player’s role will be revealed to the village.

When the lynching is done all the villagers go back to their homes to sleep and the next night begins.

Winning
In case it's not clear: The villagers win if they kill all of the werewolves. The werewolves win if they kill enough villagers so that their numbers are equal. At this point the werewolves can openly rise up and slaughter the rest of the villagers.

KWhit
07-05-2005, 09:35 PM
Special Roles

Roles will be assigned randomly. The following is a description of the roles in the game.

Seer – There is at least one Seer in the game and he is on the villagers team. Each night the Seer may choose one other player to “view” by sending a PM to the moderator with that player’s name. Each night turn may PM me with their view. I will tell the Seer whether his chosen target is a werewolf or a human.

Werewolf – There are at least two werewolves in the game. The werewolves know who each other are and may send PM’s between themselves to discuss strategy. At night the wolves PM the moderator the name of the player they’d like to eat. In the morning that player’s death will be announced along with his special role.

Bodyguard - May protect one person per night against a werewolf attack. They may not protect the same person two nights in a row, and may not protect themselves. If they successfully protect a person, it will be revealed as a NO KILL. The bodyguard will NOT learn the identity of any werewolves! Each night they should PM me with who they want to protect.

Witness - Every night, the witness may PM me a person he wants to keep an eye on. If that person is attacked by the wolves, they will find out the identity of one wolf, who will also find out their identity. Once the witness has successfully viewed a wolf, they cannot use their power again.

Cursed - If this person is targeted by the werewolves, they become a werewolf. It will be revealed as NO KILL during the night. However, the person who is Cursed, will NOT know the fact until they are attacked by the wolves. If they are lynched, all the passengers will find out is that they were a villager. This role will be viewed as a villager to the Seer, unless they have already been changed to a werewolf.

Duke - The Duke is a powerful noble in the area who has fled to the manor for protection, and is laying low. He has the power, once per game, after a lynch is decided, to stand up and declare that the victim will not be lynched (even if he is the victim,) and instead lynch someone else of his choice. This is the one role that will be positively revealed if used, the Duke will PM me if he wants to use his ability, and *I* will post about the Duke's actions, so there can be no false claims.

Wolf King - This is one tough SOB, the leader of the werewolves. If this werewolf is lynched, he has the power to immediately kill one person before he is subdued. However, if he is lynched, the wolves are thrown into disarray, and they make a random kill that night (I decide who they kill based upon a dice roll - there is also a chance that they kill no one).

Sorcerer - May check one person per night to see if they are the Seer. This person wins if the wolves win. This role will be viewed as a regular villager to the Seer. The Sorceror does not know the identity of the wolves, and the wolves do not know the Sorceror. Should PM me each night with who they want to view.

Villagers – There are also a number of regular villagers in the game. These aren't inhabitants of Mount Fogg, but just unlucky strangers passing through town. The villagers have no special abilities other than their own deductive ability. They will have to vote wisely to win the game.



Miscellaneous
1) Only the wolves may PM’s between themselves. All other players may not send PM’s (unless to me as called for by your role or to ask a question)

2) If there is a tie in the lynch vote then a duel takes place and I will announce who is killed. This will be determined via dice roll.

If you have any questions please ask. Welcome to the game!


List of players:
henry296
Raven
Neon_Chaos
Buzzbee
Fouts
mrsimperless
heybrad
Thomkal
George W Bush
JeeberD
Suicane75
Schmidty
kingfc22
Token Asian Guy
Blackadar
Raiders Army

Alternate 1: Digamma

Note: I am still looking for more alternates. Let me know if you're interested.

KWhit
07-05-2005, 09:37 PM
Day One

Your task on this day is to introduce yourself. Once you start to get to know each other, you must vote for who you want to lynch (Voting cutoff is 8pm Eastern Wednesday night). It is required that you post before then. If not, you may be replaced with another player.

henry296
07-05-2005, 09:44 PM
Hi everybody. I'm really enjoying my time on the mountain.

Joe
07-05-2005, 09:54 PM
mountains=fun

KWhit
07-05-2005, 09:59 PM
You should now all have a PM with your role defined. Let me know (via PM) if you didn't get it or if you have questions about it.

heybrad
07-05-2005, 10:07 PM
Hello everybody.

Neon_Chaos
07-05-2005, 10:51 PM
Aw crap. Who let their goat out? I just stepped on major goat poo. :D

Fouts
07-05-2005, 11:00 PM
Sorry about that. Hard for me to keep track of all these goats.

BTW, I saw the movie Cursed last night. Let me see your palms! :)

Peregrine
07-05-2005, 11:01 PM
Hey, Brad

Raven
07-05-2005, 11:01 PM
I'm here.

Token Asian Guy
07-05-2005, 11:38 PM
glad to be on mount fogg, yeah that's right, there are two G's in fogg.

JeeberD
07-05-2005, 11:55 PM
Hello everybody.

Hi Doctor Brad!

digamma
07-06-2005, 12:05 AM
I'm happy to be an alternator.

kingfc22
07-06-2005, 12:58 AM
mountains=LYNCHING
fixed it for you.

Neon_Chaos
07-06-2005, 03:35 AM
Alright. Who's a werewolf? Don't be scared. We'll just lynch you. :)

Raiders Army
07-06-2005, 05:51 AM
I've got my rope, and I'm abringing it to the party!

KWhit
07-06-2005, 06:53 AM
I'm happy to be an alternator.
Cool. Thanks. I'll add you to the player list.

Blackadar
07-06-2005, 07:15 AM
:rolleyes:

JeeberD
07-06-2005, 08:03 AM
...i.... a werewolf[.] ...be scared. We... l[u]nch you. :)

Wow, awfully early for an admission... ;)

KWhit
07-06-2005, 08:12 AM
Wow, awfully early for an admission... ;)
Hehe.

:D

Thomkal
07-06-2005, 08:28 AM
Hello everyone,

Thomkal here. I am but a simple woodsman from the forests skirting this mountain village. When I brought my meager gatherings of mushrooms and herbs to the inn to sell, I never thought I'd be called upon to decide the fate of my fellow humans! What a horrible task that has been laid upon us.

So let us get the discussion going so we can form at least some substantial reason for lynching someone tonight. I have told you who I am, a simple villager, and how I came to be here this day. Now then the rest of you should do the same.

henry296
07-06-2005, 08:46 AM
I am not afraid the wolves and I am a lowly villager who is just here for a nice ski trip. I then learned of this horrible scenario with sacrificing villagers. I am here to fight the werewolves, so I can make it back to my family.

Blackadar
07-06-2005, 08:50 AM
:rolleyes:

JeeberD
07-06-2005, 08:57 AM
Two threads in a row where Blacky is talking about getting drunk and sticking it in butts. I think he's the victim of some cruel experiment by the combined efforts of HA and Franky...

KWhit
07-06-2005, 08:59 AM
Two threads in a row where Blacky is talking about getting drunk and sticking it in butts. I think he's the victim of some cruel experiment by the combined efforts of HA and Franky...Yeah, and those are the best attributes of them.

:D

Blackadar
07-06-2005, 09:03 AM
:rolleyes:

mrsimperless
07-06-2005, 09:34 AM
Another lowly villager at your service. This is quite unpleasant business we have before us today, but I stand ready to judge and be judged.

heybrad
07-06-2005, 09:36 AM
Lots of players not checking in yet.

JeeberD
07-06-2005, 10:37 AM
I'm off to work for about six hours, so my silence is me dealing with soup and salad eating bastards, not werewolf-ish skulking...

Neon_Chaos
07-06-2005, 10:38 AM
Wow, awfully early for an admission... ;)

Very funny. :) Creative. But wrong. :P

Neon_Chaos
07-06-2005, 10:41 AM
I'm off to work for about six hours, so my silence is me dealing with soup and salad eating bastards, not werewolf-ish skulking...

Well, someone has to start pointing fingers. I guess I'll start. I'm just a lowly villager, and I don't appreciate some other villager point a finger at me. :)

VOTE JeeberD

Alright guys, time to watch which ones bandwagon on this vote... or bandwagon on the eventual vote on me.

heybrad
07-06-2005, 10:46 AM
3 players have not checked in yet.

Buzzbee
Suicane
Schmidty

SHOW YOURSELF!

henry296
07-06-2005, 10:47 AM
Suicane is probably still stoned.. It is a little early for him or he is lurking in the shadows waiting to pounce on an innocent villager.

mrsimperless
07-06-2005, 10:49 AM
Obviously the first day's vote is going to be a crapshoot. I relize this will make me a target, but I'm not worried as I KNOW that I'm just a villager. The hard part is going to be finding the wolves.

VOTE Blackadar

Sorry Blackie, nothing personal. It's just that butt sticking and butt sniffing are a little too similar for my tastes. Sounds pretty canine to me.

Raiders Army
07-06-2005, 10:56 AM
Obviously the first day's vote is going to be a crapshoot. I relize this will make me a target, but I'm not worried as I KNOW that I'm just a villager. The hard part is going to be finding the wolves.

VOTE Blackadar

Sorry Blackie, nothing personal. It's just that butt sticking and butt sniffing are a little too similar for my tastes. Sounds pretty canine to me.
He convinced me.

I vote Blackadar.

kingfc22
07-06-2005, 10:59 AM
This villager is also off to work...I was hoping that the wolves would have shown up already, but I guess I'll have to be careful going down the mountain and then back up again.

I shall return from work around 4:30 PST...Maybe we will have killed a wolf by then.

kingfc22
07-06-2005, 11:00 AM
Guess I'll jump on the bandwagon since it appears to be leaving the same time I do.

VOTE BLACKADAR.

heybrad
07-06-2005, 11:00 AM
That is a very convincing argument, but since there is absolutely nothing to go on, I'll probably vote for whoever does not check in. If everybody checks in, I'll consider the buttsniffer.

Neon_Chaos
07-06-2005, 11:04 AM
How come people are eager to jump on the Blackadar bandwagon? Hmmmm....

Blackadar
07-06-2005, 11:37 AM
:rolleyes:

Raiders Army
07-06-2005, 12:37 PM
Can't say I'm surprised.

Though you guys might want to really give some thought into voting for someone who has played the game before and is skilled at these sorts of things, rather than an easy target like me who's a total noobie here. :)
I'm a n00b as well. Better you than me, I always say. This crowd isn't going home tonight until we get a lynchin'.

Thomkal
07-06-2005, 12:47 PM
As a villager, its a bit dumb for us to be jumping on bandwagons, especially so in the first day. Makes it a lot easier for the wolves to hide. So I won't be jumping on. Instead I'll cast a vote for one of our quiet people to see if we can't get them to speak up.

VOTE BUZZBEE

Desnudo
07-06-2005, 12:50 PM
I saw JeeberD running around naked, howling at the moon last night. Unfortunately he was human and it was in Texas. Put some clothes on man!

Token Asian Guy
07-06-2005, 12:56 PM
wow, the wagon got stacked up pretty quickly against blacky. as tempting as it is to jump onboard, as evidenced by previous games, we'll probably hit a villager first with that sort of thinking. i agree with thomkal to vote for a silent member, let's see if we can't weed out some of the hairy ones.

VOTE BUZZBEE

henry296
07-06-2005, 12:58 PM
I'm not worried about Buzbee. He hasn't been around the moutain since Friday. However, I saw Schmidty yesterday yet he hasn't spoken up today. That is suspicious.

heybrad
07-06-2005, 01:00 PM
I was just about to post...

I VOTE SCHMIDTY

KWhit
07-06-2005, 01:06 PM
So far, I have the vote at:

Blackadar: 3 (mrsimperless, Raiders Army, Kingfc22)
Buzzbee: 2 (Thomkal, Token Asian Guy)
Schmidty: 1 (heybrad)
JeeberD: 1 (Neon_Chaos)

Blackadar
07-06-2005, 01:18 PM
:rolleyes:

Fouts
07-06-2005, 01:23 PM
Well, someone has to start pointing fingers. I guess I'll start. I'm just a lowly villager, and I don't appreciate some other villager point a finger at me. :)

VOTE JeeberD

Alright guys, time to watch which ones bandwagon on this vote... or bandwagon on the eventual vote on me.

Hmmm, knowingly wanting to lynch a villager is quite suspicious.

Although, I agree about the bandwagon jumpers.

Fouts
07-06-2005, 01:28 PM
I see no logical reason to vote for Blackadar, but Raiders Army and kingfc22 voted for him quickly after mrsimperless put his name out there.

Something to ponder.

Raven
07-06-2005, 01:43 PM
I think most of us were really looking forward to playing the game. Being lynched on day 1 would really suck.

Since we have nothing to go on, and day 1 voting is purely random, my vote is going to go to someone who hasn't posted yet. Mainly because I know I'd be pissed if I waited a week to play, only to get sent home before I got a chance to actually play.

That leaves Buzzbee, Schmidty, and Suicane as options for me. I'll give each of them a little more time to drop in before I vote.

mrsimperless
07-06-2005, 02:11 PM
I wouldn't worry about hurting someone's feelings. It's just a game and I'm sure there will be opportunities to play again.

I am however concerned about finding a wolf to lynch and not lynching my fellow townspeople.

I'm not sure what to think about the people who haven't checked in yet. I really only see a few possible options for them.

1) They are a wolf and laying low is part of their strategery.
2) They will not be checking in at all and will be replaced by alternates. They could easily be either wolf or townsperson in this scenario.
3) They are dealing with RL right now and will be checking in before vote time. They could easily be either wolf or townsperson in this scenario.

I actually don't see option #1 as being very likely at this point. We have all expressed our distrust for the "quiet ones". Any smart wolfie would have checked in by now if he was online today. Therefore I'm concluding that it's actually MORE likely that these three aren't wolves at this point, albeit by a slight margin. (Option #3 makes the most sense I believe) I think that it's definitely still a crapshoot at this point. I voted for Blackie because he's a butt sniffer. It was more for shits and giggles than anything else. My vote is definitely still up for grabs.

Raiders Army
07-06-2005, 02:23 PM
I see no logical reason to vote for Blackadar, but Raiders Army and kingfc22 voted for him quickly after mrsimperless put his name out there.

Something to ponder.
Obviously you missed the butt-sniffing and whatnot...and my post saying better him than me. I have no idea who is a wolf. I know I'm not one, but that doesn't help. :) In lieu of any better ideas, I jumped on the bandwagon.

JeeberD
07-06-2005, 02:32 PM
Well, someone has to start pointing fingers. I guess I'll start. I'm just a lowly villager, and I don't appreciate some other villager point a finger at me. :)

VOTE JeeberD

Alright guys, time to watch which ones bandwagon on this vote... or bandwagon on the eventual vote on me.

Aww, come on. You know I wasn't really pointing a finger at you. If I had, there would have been a vote involved. :)

I'm gonna withhold my vote for now and hope that someone slips up and admits something...

JeeberD
07-06-2005, 02:35 PM
I'm just a lowly villager, and I don't appreciate some other villager point a finger at me.

Hmmm, knowingly wanting to lynch a villager is quite suspicious.


Interesting point, Fouts...

Fouts
07-06-2005, 03:41 PM
I'm not worried about Buzbee. He hasn't been around the moutain since Friday. However, I saw Schmidty yesterday yet he hasn't spoken up today. That is suspicious.

Since I won't be back from class until after the deadline, I have to go with what is out there. This is the best source of information so far. I'm going with what henry has witnessed.

I vote for Schmidty

KWhit
07-06-2005, 03:51 PM
Current vote tally:

Blackadar: 3 (mrsimperless, Raiders Army, Kingfc22)
Buzzbee: 2 (Thomkal, Token Asian Guy)
Schmidty: 2 (heybrad, Fouts)
JeeberD: 1 (Neon_Chaos)

Blackadar
07-06-2005, 04:01 PM
:rolleyes:

kingfc22
07-06-2005, 04:27 PM
home for lunch and I see that some still have not reached the mountain...

UNVOTE BLACKADAR


VOTE SCHMIDTY

henry296
07-06-2005, 04:28 PM
VOTE Raiders Army

I like Mrsimperless' analysis. Plus the better him than me, sounds wolf-like.

mrsimperless
07-06-2005, 04:29 PM
Well, my original plan was to change my vote if everyone piled on top of Blackadar and vote for one of the bandwagoneers, assuming that the wolves were hiding in there somewhere. But now I'm less decided on the issue. First of all, there hasn't been a pile-on. The voting is pretty close at this point. Secondly, Fouts has made me suspect that I may have gotten extremely lucky and tagged a wolf right off the bat.

We all know that today is pretty much a random vote. These initial "speculations" are nothing more than shots in the dark for the most part. There is very little reason to actually accuse anyone of any werewolfery at this point in the game.

However, it seems there is even LESS of a reason to actually DEFEND someone else on day 1. Unless of course you are a werewolf trying to help a brutha' out...

I see no logical reason to vote for Blackadar, but Raiders Army and kingfc22 voted for him quickly after mrsimperless put his name out there.

Something to ponder.

While it could be argued that he isn't actually defending Blackadar here, it definitely looks like he is at least trying to shift the focus away. That coupled with the fact that there hasn't really been a "pile-on" for Blackie makes me think we may have hit the jackpot on day one...

For those of you that are still considering the no-shows, I agree with the fundamental logic behind this. Werewolves will probably want to be as inconspicuous as they can so as not to attract attention and possible votes their way. However, I don't think the three absentees are very inconspicuous at all right now. If I were using this line of reasoning to vote today I think I would look for those that no one is noticing. Take George Bush for example. He posted very early this morning (2:54 AM), didn't have much to say ("mountains=fun") and nobody has mentioned his name since. If he's trying not to be noticed he is doing a great job right now. And the late night activity always sends off alarm bells for me. Werewolves post on message boards at 2:54 in the morning while townspeople are sleeping.

My vote stays at Blackadar right now. If I were to change it at this point it would be for someone like George rather than our three unfamiliar friends.

JeeberD
07-06-2005, 04:30 PM
I kinda suprised about George W's silence so far. He's a veteran of these things, he should know that staying quiet early would shed a bad light on him.

Of course, the same thing can be said for Schmidty and he hasn't posted AT ALL. So for now, at least...

Vote Schmidty

henry296
07-06-2005, 04:34 PM
I'm not suspicious yet of Schmidty of GWB since they haven't posted in other threads today.

Raven
07-06-2005, 04:55 PM
If my current count is correct, this is where we stand

Blackadar 2 (MrSimplerless, RaidersArmy)
Buzzbee 2(Thomkal, Token Asian Guy)
Schmidty 4(heybrad, Fouts, Kingfc, JeeberD)
JeeberD 1(Neon_chaos)
RaidersArmy 1 (henry)

Raven
07-06-2005, 05:08 PM
I said i'd vote for one of the no-shows, so I'll stick to that for now.

Vote Buzzbee

Lathum
07-06-2005, 05:21 PM
Wow, I thought the Blackader bandwagon was getting going. If I was in this game I would vote for Jeebs, his post count is high enough without getting him involved in this monster.

JeeberD
07-06-2005, 05:24 PM
Geez, thanks Lathum...

Raiders Army
07-06-2005, 05:29 PM
VOTE Raiders Army

I like Mrsimperless' analysis. Plus the better him than me, sounds wolf-like.
What the hell does that have to do with me? Just be glad I can't lynch you alone...I'll remember this tomorrow!

Lathum
07-06-2005, 05:31 PM
Geez, thanks Lathum...
No problem :)

mrsimperless
07-06-2005, 05:35 PM
Well, I'm off to play some poker and won't be able to post any more tonight. Apparently my analysis wasn't received too well as Blackadar is behind in the vote count right now.

But remember this - if I'm killed tonight it just might be that I was getting too close to the truth. If that happens I hope everyone knows what to do next.

Joe
07-06-2005, 05:36 PM
I kinda suprised about George W's silence so far. He's a veteran of these things, he should know that staying quiet early would shed a bad light on him.

Of course, the same thing can be said for Schmidty and he hasn't posted AT ALL. So for now, at least...

Vote Schmidty


Sorry y'all, been in training all day at the new job. But we all know that werewolves are too busy eating people to hold down jobs.

digamma
07-06-2005, 05:38 PM
Put me in, coach.
I'm ready to play.
Look at me.
I can be............

Joe
07-06-2005, 05:43 PM
Take George Bush for example. He posted very early this morning (2:54 AM) And the late night activity always sends off alarm bells for me. Werewolves post on message boards at 2:54 in the morning while townspeople are sleeping.



What time zone are you in? That was at 9:54 last night (central).

Joe
07-06-2005, 05:57 PM
A few things. I'm not so sure we can point the fingers at the quiet ones and automatically assume they're the werewolves. They probably know people think this way and would make an effort to be some of the more outspoken ones (actually that was my strategy in the first game), so you never know.

At this stage in the game, we have nothing to go on, just by what people say. Since we don't positively know or have clues about the roles of anyone, it strikes me as suspicious why Fouts would try to shift attention away from Blackadar. The only way he would know what Blackadar really is, would be if they were wolves or one was the cultist. He could be the seer i guess, but the odds are unlikely that his view would be the same 1/15 or however many people as is getting the heat. The first vote is always a stab in the dark, so why would he do this? I would vote for Fouts, but since it appears they are in it together and Blackadar has more votes:

I Vote Blackadar

JeeberD
07-06-2005, 06:38 PM
Georgie (and mrsimperless before him) makes some good points.

Unvote Schmidty

Vote Blacky

Blackadar
07-06-2005, 06:40 PM
:rolleyes:

henry296
07-06-2005, 06:45 PM
What the hell does that have to do with me? Just be glad I can't lynch you alone...I'll remember this tomorrow!

The fact that you were very quick to jump on the bandwagon made me suspicious.

Raiders Army
07-06-2005, 06:49 PM
The fact that you were very quick to jump on the bandwagon made me suspicious.
Jeez, now I think about it, I think that you're like me. Your reasoning is sound, and somebody who might think I'm a werewolf might actually be one of my allies. Then again, that old enemy of my enemy is my friend thing...

Blackadar
07-06-2005, 07:00 PM
:rolleyes:

JeeberD
07-06-2005, 07:06 PM
You know I didn't for you based on personal issues, Blacky. I have no problems with you... :)

The reason I voted for you is what George W and simperles brought up...Fouts was awfully quick to defend you, unusually so. It has just raised some questions in my mind about who you are...

kingfc22
07-06-2005, 07:08 PM
Nah, Blacky is good. I say vote Schimidty.

kingfc22
07-06-2005, 07:29 PM
it's lyncihn' time!!

Buzzbee
07-06-2005, 07:43 PM
I'm not sure what to think about the people who haven't checked in yet. I really only see a few possible options for them.

1) They are a wolf and laying low is part of their strategery.
2) They will not be checking in at all and will be replaced by alternates. They could easily be either wolf or townsperson in this scenario.
3) They are dealing with RL right now and will be checking in before vote time. They could easily be either wolf or townsperson in this scenario.

#1 - Nope. Sorry.
#2 - Ding! Ding! Ding!
#3 - Nope.

I didn't respond because I never signed up to play. I simply don't have the time or desire. Also, I haven't been around as much the past few days so I didn't know I had been assigned a role. I did follow along at the end of Werewolf II, and did make suggestions regarding the roles, but I don't have much interest in getting involved at this time. Perhaps later. I'm sure Kwhit will assign an alternate in my place. Good luck to all the players and I hope this turns out to be as entertaining as the last.

Buzzbee

Raiders Army
07-06-2005, 07:51 PM
So then Buzzbee violates the rules and comes out and says he isn't a wolf? Or is this a ploy...

I'm going to bed. See you guys in the morning!

Thomkal
07-06-2005, 08:04 PM
Well that was a wasted vote then.

Schmidty
07-06-2005, 08:18 PM
Hi everyone. I am a simple goat-herder and was too afraid to speak out in front of such magnificent people as yourselves. I can't even grow a beard.

Schmidty
07-06-2005, 08:22 PM
I vote Blackadar, as he is extremely sensssssitive.

Buccaneer
07-06-2005, 08:34 PM
I'll vote Schmidty, because he hasn't even shown up yet.

And on a personal note, I think I'll stay out of these in the future. I'm incredulous that some people seem to have some (interpersonal) issues and would rather kick me out over someone who isn't even playing the game. So I suppose this is my first and last time...
What part of "a game of accusation, deduction, lying, reverse psychology, bandwagoning, and trying not to get lynched" did you not understand?

Unless...

Schmidty
07-06-2005, 08:35 PM
What part of "a game of accusation, deduction, lying, reverse psychology, bandwagoning, and trying not to get lynched" did you not understand?

Unless...

Exactly. Hence, my vote.

Airhog
07-06-2005, 08:36 PM
ghostly voice
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Oh sorry, wrong thread

Barkeep49
07-06-2005, 08:39 PM
Isn't it time for the rope to have come out? The first day is always the saddest, I think.

Token Asian Guy
07-06-2005, 09:08 PM
I didn't respond because I never signed up to play. I simply don't have the time or desire. Also, I haven't been around as much the past few days so I didn't know I had been assigned a role. I did follow along at the end of Werewolf II, and did make suggestions regarding the roles, but I don't have much interest in getting involved at this time. Perhaps later. I'm sure Kwhit will assign an alternate in my place. Good luck to all the players and I hope this turns out to be as entertaining as the last.
Buzzbee

Well geez, I guess my perception skills need a little honing, the guy who I voted for isn't even playing! Now I am faced with a predicament in terms of voting though, because some good points have been made in favor of lynching Blackadar, but I have the sneaking suspicion that Blackadar is not a wolf. Here is the updated vote for me. (if it's not too late)


UNVOTE BUZZBEE
VOTE BLACKADAR

Blackadar
07-06-2005, 09:16 PM
:rolleyes:

JeeberD
07-06-2005, 09:17 PM
I think that votes can be submitted up until the lynching is done, but I'm not certain...

Edit: At least that's how Peregrine did it in his games, I'm not sure how KWhit is gonna handle it...

Token Asian Guy
07-06-2005, 09:18 PM
Oh crap, I was hoping I would sneak that one by. Good catch Blackadar, you might have saved yourself by seeing that.

Token Asian Guy
07-06-2005, 09:19 PM
dola

where is KWhit, I thought he said 8:00 pm was the deadline? what time zone is he working with?

Buzzbee
07-06-2005, 09:21 PM
dola

where is KWhit, I thought he said 8:00 pm was the deadline? what time zone is he working with?
Tornado warning for Conyers. My guess is that he will be unavailable for a while. He might have even lost power. Bad storms passing through parts of the A-T-L.

Schmidty
07-06-2005, 09:42 PM
I thought it was 8 p.m. PST. My bad. I forgot that the east coast rules our universe.

Fouts
07-06-2005, 11:01 PM
Well, I'm back from class. If I were a wolf, I wouldn't be stupid enough to openly defend another wolf.

I have a list of suspicious characters that I'm tracking.

KWhit
07-07-2005, 06:47 AM
Yes, I lost power last night. We had some wicked storms come through. Gimme a sec...

KWhit
07-07-2005, 07:06 AM
The votes are cast, and one of your fates is sealed. You've selected Blackadar. You surround him, lift him up, and as you are sliding the noose around his neck, he begins to change. His hair begins to grow, and as he struggles, you watch him turn into a werewolf before your eyes!

Soon it is over. He is dead, and you all congratulate each other on a job well done.

Here's the vote tally (I let the late votes count).

Blackadar: 6 (mrsimperless, Raiders Army, GWB, JeeberD, Schmidty, Token Asian Guy)
Buzzbee: 2 (Thomkal, Raven)
Schmidty: 4 (heybrad, Fouts, kingfc22, Blackadar)
JeeberD: 1 (Neon_Chaos)
Raiders Army: 1 (henry296)

I have some of your night actions already. Please send me the others ASAP. I'll have a night turn as soon as I get everyone's PM.

I'm also replacing Buzzbee with Digamma.

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 07:20 AM
Okay. So we know Blacky was a werewolf. Here's the list of guys I'm pretty sure aren't werewolves:

Me
Digamma (Buzzbee said he wasn't a werewolf)
Schmidty (Blacky voted for him)

Here's my list of guys I'm reasonably sure aren't werewolves because they voted with me or against me:

mrsimperless
GWB
Jeebs
TAG
henry296

Here is who I suspect since they voted with Blacky:

Fouts
heybrad

I didn't include kingfc22 because I think he just changed his vote.

I have no idea about Neon_Chaos, Thomkal, or Raven.

jeff061
07-07-2005, 07:41 AM
Wow a first night strike. Nice job errr..... luck ;).

Buzzbee
07-07-2005, 07:49 AM
Okay. So we know Blacky was a werewolf. Here's the list of guys I'm pretty sure aren't werewolves:

Me
Digamma (Buzzbee said he wasn't a werewolf)
Schmidty (Blacky voted for him)

Not exactly correct. I said the reason for my silence wasn't because I was a werewolf laying low. I could have been a werewolf or a villager. I would hate to give away such information when I'm not involved in the game.

KWhit
07-07-2005, 07:58 AM
Not exactly correct. I said the reason for my silence wasn't because I was a werewolf laying low. I could have been a werewolf or a villager. I would hate to give away such information when I'm not involved in the game.
Sorry for the mix-up Buzz. Peregrine gave me your name as somebody who wanted to play.

And I'd also like to echo what Buzz said above. Don't assume you know his identity based upon his earlier post. Digamma could be anything.

JeeberD
07-07-2005, 08:30 AM
Awesome work, guys!

Blackadar
07-07-2005, 08:50 AM
I was right - this is my first and last time playing this. I am incredulous that the rules are flatly ignored in an effort to bump me out over someone who couldn't even bother to show up until well after the deadline. At this point, I'll refrain from revealing what I know and spoiling the game for the rest of the players.

I would have enjoyed the opportunity to have a fair shot, but I suppose that some aren't mature enough to allow that.

henry296
07-07-2005, 08:53 AM
Bad assumption to assume that the early bandwagoner - Raiders Army was a wolf. My apologies. Great job on getting Blackie the Wolf.

After we see what happens tonight, I'll rexamine the issue and give my thoughts.

jeff061
07-07-2005, 08:55 AM
This is a game with newer players. I think the whole "personal" thing goes away after the novelty of voting on people wears off.

But hey, sounds like sour grapes to me ;).

heybrad
07-07-2005, 08:59 AM
Here is who I suspect since they voted with Blacky:

Fouts
heybrad

I didn't include kingfc22 because I think he just changed his vote.

I have no idea about Neon_Chaos, Thomkal, or Raven.
Lets remember that our first vote was a blind guess. Voting for Schmidty was pretty logical since he hadnt said anything. Blacky actually piggy backed on me after I voted.

digamma
07-07-2005, 09:11 AM
Whew. Finally made it in through all that fog(g).

Neon_Chaos
07-07-2005, 09:15 AM
Nice. One werewolf down... how many more to go? :)

No hard feelings, JeeberD, I had to vote for someone... and jumping on the bandwagon is not my cup of tea.

Hmmm.

heybrad, Fouts, kingfc22, Blackadar all voted for Schmidty.

I would say that Fouts and heybrad are probably werewolves, but that's just going with my gut. That's my analysis for now.

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 09:24 AM
Lets remember that our first vote was a blind guess. Voting for Schmidty was pretty logical since he hadnt said anything. Blacky actually piggy backed on me after I voted.
Or it could be that you two are talking via PM and decided to go with Schmidty. I'm watching you bud...

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 09:25 AM
Bad assumption to assume that the early bandwagoner - Raiders Army was a wolf. My apologies. Great job on getting Blackie the Wolf.

No problem. If you do turn out to be a bad guy, I'll know the knife came from behind. :)

heybrad
07-07-2005, 10:53 AM
I have a number of conference call today so I will be in and out a lot. You can be sure though, that I'll be noting those who are pointing fingers and those who are piggybacking.

mrsimperless
07-07-2005, 10:55 AM
Did we not have a night turn?

JeeberD
07-07-2005, 10:58 AM
I am incredulous that the rules are flatly ignored in an effort to bump me out over someone who couldn't even bother to show up until well after the deadline.

So what rules were ignored? I don't see anywhere in the rules where it says to vote for someone who hasn't shown up yet...

digamma
07-07-2005, 11:09 AM
Did we not have a night turn?
I think we're waiting on the night turn.

Hopefully it will come soon, so we can focus on the game and not accusations of rule breaking and fair (or foul) play.

Desnudo
07-07-2005, 11:22 AM
So what rules were ignored? I don't see anywhere in the rules where it says to vote for someone who hasn't shown up yet...

As a matter of fact, in previous games, usually the more vocal guys got lynched early. Even in the small game, look what happened to SirFozzie. You are probably better off not playing if you take a game like this personally since arguments get heated at times.

KWhit
07-07-2005, 11:37 AM
Night 1:

After a restless night of fearing a visit from the wolves, you all come downstairs to the common area of the Inn. You all look around, do a quick count, and realize that you're all still alive. There was no kill last night.

Voting deadline is still 8pm tonight. I'll let votes count if they are made by the time I post my writeup, but there are no guarantees.

Token Asian Guy
07-07-2005, 11:40 AM
no kill last night, good work bodyguard!

JeeberD
07-07-2005, 11:41 AM
Wow, it's very early but we're kicking butt so far!

henry296
07-07-2005, 11:44 AM
There are 2 other options:

1. They got the cursed and we are back to square 1.
2. Blackie was the King Wolf and the random dice roll selected nobody.

Todd

mrsimperless
07-07-2005, 11:45 AM
Well, this is an easy one for me.

VOTE Fouts

JeeberD
07-07-2005, 11:45 AM
I think if he was the King his attack would have happened at the time of the lynching.

Good point about the cursed, though...

Token Asian Guy
07-07-2005, 11:52 AM
oh man, way to ruin my happiness henry. mrsimp, i tend to agree with you, and I think we can use RaidersArmy's post as a reference as to who to suspect, and so Schmidty is out of the picture. Djgamma cpould be a wildcard since Buzzbee wasn't playing and so he didn't have the opportunity to ost. I'll guess I'll sit back and wait for things to develop before casting mine.

JeeberD
07-07-2005, 12:04 PM
Well, this is an easy one for me.

VOTE Fouts

While I'm not entirely sure he's a wolf I think he's at least working for their side.

Vote Fouts

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 12:08 PM
I'm going with Fouts or heybrad for this one. It will depend on how each of them explains why they voted for Schmidty. If neither of them tries to explain why, I'll just flip a coin and vote for one of them.

digamma
07-07-2005, 12:11 PM
Here is who I suspect since they voted with Blacky:

Fouts
heybrad

I didn't include kingfc22 because I think he just changed his vote.

I have no idea about Neon_Chaos, Thomkal, or Raven.
I agree that our focus should be on these five.

I wonder if we need to look a bit deeper than simply whether they voted with Blacky. On the one hand, the first vote was a pretty tight race, so if they voted as a pack, they may have been able to affect the outcome and kill a villager. On the other hand, it seems a pretty dead give away if one ends up getting lynched.

Given the closeness of the vote, option one might have more viability here.

heybrad
07-07-2005, 12:11 PM
I'm going with Fouts or heybrad for this one. It will depend on how each of them explains why they voted for Schmidty. If neither of them tries to explain why, I'll just flip a coin and vote for one of them.
Go back and read my posts. I was pretty clear on stating that my vote would go to a player that had not spoken up. I really had nothing else to go on.

mrsimperless
07-07-2005, 12:17 PM
I'm going with Fouts or heybrad for this one. It will depend on how each of them explains why they voted for Schmidty. If neither of them tries to explain why, I'll just flip a coin and vote for one of them.

I didn't vote for Fouts because he voted for Schmidty, I voted for Fouts for the same reason I kept my original vote for Blackadar. Because Fouts defended Blackie for no apparent reason on Day 1.

I don't think voting for Schmidty yesterday is a very suspicious activity at this point. It was the best alternative to Blackadar out there at the time. In fact, I don't think the wolves would all vote for the same innocent. It would be way too easy to take them all out if they did.

Schmidty
07-07-2005, 12:27 PM
After reading the thread again, I am pretty sure that Fouts is a wolf.

Vote - Fouts

Thomkal
07-07-2005, 12:52 PM
Wow, if it was the bodyguard protecting someone last night, we got incredibly lucky not once (by getting a werewolf when the odds were against us) but twice since the wolves could have gone after anybody. They would have to be incredibly lucky to get the cursed out of all us villagers, but then we did it to them. I have a few puzzling/suspicious activities I'd like cleared up.

1. Suicane has not posted a single time since the game began. Is it likely he doesn't know he's in this game like Buzzbee? If so we need a replacement fast.

2. For those who think they should be safe based on voting (or not voting) for Blackadar last night, if KWhit had not accepted the last two votes on Blackie, which were after the stated deadline, there would have been a dual with a random result because there would have been a tie at that point. I am highly suspicious of both Token Asian Guy and Schmidty for that after the deadline votes, especially when I saw Schmidty online here a few minutes before the real lynching deadline, and he didn't post till an hour after with no OOV explanation of where he had been all day. TAG gets caught changing votes after the deadline when his vote meant absoultely nothing in the final tally.

3. I also have to suspect Jeeber for his vote change that brought out the tie. The wolves were better with a 50-50 chance of losing their own, than an outright loss of their own if there had not been a tie. Please someone else check how the voting went and correct me on this if I am wrong as I don't want to accuse a fellow villager.

4. There was also an edited message from Blackadar, the one that now says "Thanks Guys!" In the original version he presumes that both Jeeber and Mr S are wolves. Now why would he edit that out? Just who (if any) was he trying to protect here since we know now he was a wolf? In fact he has now edited many of his posts with a sad smilie face. Blackadar you are out of this game, you are not supposed to be commenting or helping your fellow wolves in any way. In fact no one should be editing their posts. If you have a correction to make, make it in a separate post.

5. Kingfc22's actions last night are also very suspicious to me. He voted for Blackadar first stating that he was jumping on the bandwagon for lack of a better reason. Later in the afternoon he changed his voted to Schmidty, with no explanation given (at least when he made his vote). Then 8 minutes after the official deadline he posted this:

"Nah, Blacky is good. I say vote Schimidty."

To me, that screams either Wolf or Sorceror. Why would you say this King?

6. Welcome digamma :)

While I can see why people think Fouts is suspicious, I think there are two or three more who are even more suspicious.

VOTE KINGFC22

Thomkal
07-07-2005, 12:56 PM
OOV should be OOC in the above Point #2

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 01:05 PM
I didn't vote for Fouts because he voted for Schmidty, I voted for Fouts for the same reason I kept my original vote for Blackadar. Because Fouts defended Blackie for no apparent reason on Day 1.

I don't think voting for Schmidty yesterday is a very suspicious activity at this point. It was the best alternative to Blackadar out there at the time. In fact, I don't think the wolves would all vote for the same innocent. It would be way too easy to take them all out if they did.
Good points mrsimperless and Thomkal. I look at this as a game of minesweeper. You know how you start up the game and the first click is either lucky or unlucky? We got lucky on the first click. With that, it's revealed a few clues. I'm at work right now, but I'll read through the whole thread again tonight before I vote. I believe I did vote too early last night, and I don't want to change my vote once submitted.

Raven
07-07-2005, 01:37 PM
Wow. Great start.

No kill in night 1...I guess that means the bodyguard or the cursed were hit? Are there any other possibilities here? I'm going to go back and check the rules on this, and follow up.

JeeberD
07-07-2005, 01:38 PM
Regarding Suicane, he hasn't visited the board since Monday. I'm hoping that he's OK and that he didn't get hit by a drunk driver or anything...

Second, when I changed my vote to Blacky it was currently four for Schmidty and three for Blacky. So that made it 4-3 for Blacky. Like I said, George and simperless made some valid points which made me rethink who I was voting for.

Swaggs
07-07-2005, 01:44 PM
I was right - this is my first and last time playing this. I am incredulous that the rules are flatly ignored in an effort to bump me out over someone who couldn't even bother to show up until well after the deadline. At this point, I'll refrain from revealing what I know and spoiling the game for the rest of the players.

I would have enjoyed the opportunity to have a fair shot, but I suppose that some aren't mature enough to allow that.

If you are being serious, that is pretty weak. I'd assumed you were saying that stuff as a self-preservation strategy.

When you joined up, you should have realized that people were going to try to do whatever they could to save their own asses, that someone had to die first, and, in order to have a good/long game, almost everyone has to go.

KWhit
07-07-2005, 01:51 PM
Regarding Suicane, he hasn't visited the board since Monday. I'm hoping that he's OK and that he didn't get hit by a drunk driver or anything.
I haven't heard from him, so I'm looking to replace him. I have a couple of PMs out, but if any of you lurkers want to grab his spot, send me a PM. First come, first serve.

Raven
07-07-2005, 01:56 PM
OK, looks like those two are probably the only options.


Now, before I voted, Blackie had 2 votes, Buzzbee had 2 votes Schmidty had 4, Jeeber and RaidersArmy had 1 vote (see post #66). At that point, the only 3 who hadn't voted were me, GWB and Blackadar. Schmidty, Buzzbee and Suicane still hadn't shown up yet, and I figured they might not show at all.

If I voted Schmidty, he was most likely the one to get lynched. He would have 5, Blackie most likely would have jumped on Schmidty (6 votes now) to save his own butt. It wouldn't have mattered where GWB voted, because Schmidty would have gone home unless someone change their vote.


I decided to vote Buzzbee. Giving Blackie 2, Buzz 3 and Schmidty 4. I wanted to make things close to even, hoping GWB and/or Blackie would come in and cast their votes tieing things up for someone. At that point, I was hoping someone would be compelled to change their vote.....giving us some kind of inclination of who they wanted to save.

I think this strategy was very close to working. GWB came in and cast the next vote for Blackie, making it Blackie 3, Buzz 3, Schmidty 4. Except Schmidty pops in unexpectedly and votes Blackadar, screwing everything up.


With the voting being that close, Blackie voting Schmidty, and GWB voting Blackie, I think that puts both Schmidty and GWB safe for now.

Raven
07-07-2005, 02:01 PM
Let me clarify something in my last post

"Except Schmidty pops in unexpectedly and votes Blackadar, screwing everything up."

Don't take that the wrong way. I meant Schmidty dropping in unexpectedly breaks all tie possibilities, not allowing us to force someone to change a vote.

Fouts
07-07-2005, 02:22 PM
Well I'll admit I look suspicious, but I was voting with what information that was out there. I assure you, I am not a werewolf. I'll look through the posts and try and figure out who was leading us astray.

We will be making a mistake if I am lynched. Somebody knows something here, lets look at the clues.

mrsimperless
07-07-2005, 02:28 PM
Fouts, if you don't turn into a wolf tonight when we hang you by your hairy neck I'll be completely stunned. Althought I guess it is possible that you're an innocent townsperson and you defended a wolf by accident yesterday.

*snicker*

Ok, I lied. Its not possible. Die wolfie!!

Fouts
07-07-2005, 02:30 PM
Well, it was by accident, because I thought the reason for lynching Blackadar was pretty flimsy. Let me tell you, if I were the wolf I wouldn't openly protect someone I know that is a wolf. There are people who are more suspicious than I.

KWhit
07-07-2005, 02:34 PM
Suicane is being replaced by ntndeacon.

Fouts
07-07-2005, 02:34 PM
From Raiders Army today

Here is who I suspect since they voted with Blacky:

Fouts
heybrad

I didn't include kingfc22 because I think he just changed his vote.

I have no idea about Neon_Chaos, Thomkal, or Raven.

and this that I posted yesterday

I see no logical reason to vote for Blackadar, but Raiders Army and kingfc22 voted for him quickly after mrsimperless put his name out there.

Do you see the connection? Raiders and King appear to be in it together. Very suspicious.

Suicane75
07-07-2005, 02:38 PM
I apologize guys, Comcast crapped out on Monday night and they just got finished rewiring my entire house. I'm sorry if my absence screwed anything up.

Thomkal
07-07-2005, 02:39 PM
Welcome NTNdeacon :)

KWhit
07-07-2005, 02:41 PM
I apologize guys, Comcast crapped out on Monday night and they just got finished rewiring my entire house. I'm sorry if my absence screwed anything up.
Perfect timing! I just replaced you with ntndeacon!

Sorry that you missed this one, but there will be others.

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 02:42 PM
I assure you, I am not a werewolf.
That's something a werewolf would say. Jeez.

From Raiders Army today



and this that I posted yesterday



Do you see the connection? Raiders and King appear to be in it together. Very suspicious.

Whatever dude. I think that's a tenuous connection at best. I said I would vote for you or heybrad depending on what you post. Congratulations, you just got my vote.

Vote Fouts.

Suicane75
07-07-2005, 02:43 PM
Perfect timing! I just replaced you with ntndeacon!

Sorry that you missed this one, but there will be others.
Not a problem, i've got so much crap i need to catch up on anyway, but I will be watching.

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 02:45 PM
I see no logical reason to vote for Blackadar, but Raiders Army and kingfc22 voted for him quickly after mrsimperless put his name out there.

So me and kingfc22 voting for Blacky (a werewolf) quickly makes us wolves working together to off one of our own???

Fouts
07-07-2005, 02:45 PM
5. Kingfc22's actions last night are also very suspicious to me. He voted for Blackadar first stating that he was jumping on the bandwagon for lack of a better reason. Later in the afternoon he changed his voted to Schmidty, with no explanation given (at least when he made his vote). Then 8 minutes after the official deadline he posted this:

"Nah, Blacky is good. I say vote Schimidty."

To me, that screams either Wolf or Sorceror. Why would you say this King?



Very compelling evidence coupled with the "Thanks Guys" from Blackadar.

I vote Kingfc22

Fouts
07-07-2005, 02:46 PM
So me and kingfc22 voting for Blacky (a werewolf) quickly makes us wolves working together to off one of our own???

Yes, very cunning. You should have let Blakadar in on it, because he became very upset. He now blames you two for getting him hung.

KWhit
07-07-2005, 02:51 PM
Current list of players for reference:

Alive and Kicking:
henry296
Raven
Neon_Chaos
digamma
Fouts
mrsimperless
heybrad
Thomkal
George W Bush
JeeberD
ntndeacon
Schmidty
kingfc22
Token Asian Guy
Raiders Army

Hanging from the rafters:
Blackadar - Werewolf, lynched Day 1

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 02:59 PM
Yes, very cunning. You should have let Blakadar in on it, because he became very upset. He now blames you two for getting him hung.
You should also add how cunning we were in how kingfc22 changed his vote and I left my vote for Blacky.

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 02:59 PM
Dola, and he should blame me for getting him hung since I voted for him. :rolleyes:

Fouts
07-07-2005, 03:04 PM
Dola, and he should blame me for getting him hung since I voted for him. :rolleyes:

Yes, that was why he was so distraught. No matter, once I am strung up the evidence I posted will point straight to you two. I'll save some rope for you guys :)

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 03:07 PM
Well, it certainly is plausible that we are in cahoots. While it's a possibility, I don't think that it's a probability with what you have shown. I am through with this conversation, since I'm talking to a dead wolf walking. :)

ntndeacon
07-07-2005, 04:14 PM
hi everyone. Good job on the first night. Hopefully the bodyguard got lucky during the night . It would be nice if the cursed didn't get picked by the wolves.

Raven
07-07-2005, 04:17 PM
I have a final exam starting at 6, so unfortunately I won't be able to base my vote on anything other than what's already transpired.

The thing I am most skeptical about at this point is Kingfc voting Blackadar early, then changing his vote to Schmidty when Blackadar starting getting some heat. Maybe that's just a coincidence, or maybe his ploy to save a fellow wolf went sour?


I vote Kingfc

ntndeacon
07-07-2005, 04:18 PM
I have a question. wasn't Blackader the last to vote the way he did? I am not saying that those voting with him are innocent, but no one jumped onto Schmidty afterwards

Schmidty
07-07-2005, 04:21 PM
The thing I am most skeptical about at this point is Kingfc voting Blackadar early, then changing his vote to Schmidty when Blackadar starting getting some heat. Maybe that's just a coincidence, or maybe his ploy to save a fellow wolf went sour?


I vote Kingfc

Very good point. I probably voted too soon, although I feel good about my vote. Fouts subsequent posts haven't really helped his case; however, I am starting to have second-thoughts about Kingfc. If I were to change my mind, is it lame to change my vote before the deadline?

henry296
07-07-2005, 04:27 PM
Here is a quick vote update:

Fouts- 4 (mr. s, Jeeber, Schmidty, Raiders Army)
Kingfc22 - 2 (Fouts, Raven)

henry296
07-07-2005, 04:28 PM
I am not sure about either one, but they are most suspicious. I am going to go with the flip-flopper.

VOTE Kingfc22

ntndeacon
07-07-2005, 04:34 PM
I wonder about TokenAsianGuy. changing his vote when it did not change the outcome. Possibly just to be on the winning side.

Thomkal
07-07-2005, 04:35 PM
Henry,

I also voted for King earlier. And as of yet he hasn't explained himself.

Token Asian Guy
07-07-2005, 04:45 PM
Here's this guy's take on the situation. MrSimp, Thomkal, RaidersArmy have got me really thinking. Fouts was my immediate suspect today, and I still lean towards him. Raiders and him going back and forth doesnt really prove that either is a wolf, but i believe their voting tendncies can. In looking at the votes, we can see that Raiders voted for Blackie (a wolf) pretty much absolving him, and Fouts voted for Schmidty. Fouts has made points accusing kingfc22 for changing his vote to schmidty, who i hope i can safely say is a villager, and protecting blackie in the process. That makes king a second tier suspect who i believe we should keep an eye on. i wish i could see what blackie had typed originally, because those smilies (or frownies) dont allow us to see the context in which those, including myself, saw that made us want to vote for blackie, and even more importantly, what made others not vote for him. I sort of find djgamma to be suspicious, even though Buzzbee ended up not wanting to play, we haven't heard too much from dj so he might just be waiting in the wings hoping to ride it out. if i'm wrong in bringing you up dj, don't get angry, I am just cautious of you until we hear from you. phew, with all that being said, I have come to a decision in voting, and I find that Fouts' argument is compelling but possibly just a strategy devised by the wolves to pass the blame, and I feel that MrSimp's analysis is still dead on.

VOTE FOUTS

heybrad
07-07-2005, 04:45 PM
VOTE Kingfc22
I'm going with this vote based on the unexplained Blackadar vote switch. Fouts is running a close 2nd right now.

Token Asian Guy
07-07-2005, 04:54 PM
i can see how changing my vote makes me look suspicious, but honestly it was just a matter of my vote being not worth anything, so i figured i would change it. had i known the voting was up, i wouldve not have changed, but i assumed the voting could continue until Kwhit posted the results. my original thinking was to vote a silent person first, but buzzbee's post combined with mrsimp's analysis made me sway heavily toward blackadar.

Fouts
07-07-2005, 04:54 PM
I'm willing to give myself up in order to get a real werewolf lynched. Lynch me tonight, and then King the next night. If my suspicions are correct, then its a good tradeoff for us villagers.

Gonna take one for the team. Remember me well.

Schmidty
07-07-2005, 05:02 PM
I'm willing to give myself up in order to get a real werewolf lynched. Lynch me tonight, and then King the next night. If my suspicions are correct, then its a good tradeoff for us villagers.

Gonna take one for the team. Remember me well.

I'm definitely not changing my vote from you now. Especially now that heybrad voted for Kingfc.

I'm content with my vote now.

ntndeacon
07-07-2005, 05:03 PM
I am not convinced that one is more guilty than the other. I am willing to have them duke it out though. Call me gullible, but I will believe Fouts' self sacrificial act for now.
I vote king

heybrad
07-07-2005, 05:05 PM
I was thinking that voting for King would make it look like I'm aligned with Fouts. Thats not the case. He's next on the radar.

mrsimperless
07-07-2005, 05:06 PM
He does sound quite convincing, but I'm not changing my vote at this point. He's right - if he turns out to be a villager then we just lynch king tomorrow.

Although I'm going to have to go back through and read the king analysis. I'm not nearly as sold on him as everyone else seems to be.

So is there a tie now?

ntndeacon
07-07-2005, 05:08 PM
and a tie means a duel. Gotta love duels!

digamma
07-07-2005, 05:09 PM
Here's this guy's take on the situation. MrSimp, Thomkal, RaidersArmy have got me really thinking. Fouts was my immediate suspect today, and I still lean towards him. Raiders and him going back and forth doesnt really prove that either is a wolf, but i believe their voting tendncies can. In looking at the votes, we can see that Raiders voted for Blackie (a wolf) pretty much absolving him, and Fouts voted for Schmidty. Fouts has made points accusing kingfc22 for changing his vote to schmidty, who i hope i can safely say is a villager, and protecting blackie in the process. That makes king a second tier suspect who i believe we should keep an eye on. i wish i could see what blackie had typed originally, because those smilies (or frownies) dont allow us to see the context in which those, including myself, saw that made us want to vote for blackie, and even more importantly, what made others not vote for him. I sort of find djgamma to be suspicious, even though Buzzbee ended up not wanting to play, we haven't heard too much from dj so he might just be waiting in the wings hoping to ride it out. if i'm wrong in bringing you up dj, don't get angry, I am just cautious of you until we hear from you. phew, with all that being said, I have come to a decision in voting, and I find that Fouts' argument is compelling but possibly just a strategy devised by the wolves to pass the blame, and I feel that MrSimp's analysis is still dead on.

VOTE FOUTS
It's dIgamma, but no worries about the suspicion. I can understand where you are coming from, but rest assured, it is unfounded. Also, I did post a couple of times earlier, but to recap...

For me the vote goes one of two ways. The first is either Fouts or kingfc22. They both voted for Schmidty along with Blacky.

The other way is the alternative wolf strategy of spreading votes around to a couple of different players--not lumping themselves together so as to be suspicious. If that was the rationale, then people like Thomkal, Raven, henry and neon_chaos should probably be suspects.

I have a slight lean towards the first strategy, my thought being that the vote was close and the wolves needed to stick together to try to prevent an early lynching.

Going with that gut feeling, I have to look at today's comments. We haven't heard much from kingfc22, but Fouts hasn't been all that convincing to me.

VOTE FOUTS

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 05:37 PM
In looking at the votes, we can see that Raiders voted for Blackie (a wolf) pretty much absolving him, and Fouts voted for Schmidty.
Okay....I don't think you should totally absolve me, since it may be a strategy (and then is this a strategy within a strategy???). FWIW, after some thought, I'm not sure Fouts is a wolf, but I am sure that his thinking a slightly flawed. I'll stick with my vote against him...primarily because he accused me, an innocent rope-investing villager, and because I said I would vote against him or heybrad...who's been curiously silent.

Schmidty
07-07-2005, 05:41 PM
I was thinking that voting for King would make it look like I'm aligned with Fouts. Thats not the case. He's next on the radar.

I'm SURE he is. Mmmm Hmmm.

Not good enough. You are both acting fishy. One is wolf, and the other is Sorcerer or something. I am 100% positive about that, which probably makes me a wolf target tonight. Oh well. Your game is up.

Joe
07-07-2005, 05:51 PM
I said last night that I thought Fouts and Blackadar were in this together. Nothing I've seen today has changed my mind. I voted for Blacky because he had more votes, so tonight

I Vote For Fouts

KWhit
07-07-2005, 06:39 PM
With about 15 minutes to go, I have the vote like this:

Fouts 7 (mrsimperless, JeeberD, Schmidty, Raiders Army, Token Asian Guy, digamma, George W Bush)
Kingfc22 6 (Thomkal, Fouts, Raven, henry296, heybrad, ntndeacon)

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 06:45 PM
Fouts and heybrad voting together again...no vote from Kingfc22? That seems strange since his neck is on the line.

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 06:48 PM
Dola, just looked and Kingfc22 hasn't said anything today yet. That seems somewhat suspicious, but not as suspicious as Fouts.

Schmidty
07-07-2005, 06:48 PM
Fouts and heybrad voting together again...no vote from Kingfc22? That seems strange since his neck is on the line.

The fact that you lobby with so little time left makes me wonder about you........

jeff061
07-07-2005, 06:49 PM
From King's profile Last Activity: Today 02:48 AM

I know I'm not playin the game, but don't lynch a guy cause he's busy :).

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 06:51 PM
The fact that you lobby with so little time left makes me wonder about you........
That's what I'm talking about. I don't think anyone should trust anyone. Like in Resevoir Dogs, I'm the only one that I can trust, and I'm pretty sure you're on the level since they tried to take you out last night. Other than that, I don't trust too many.

Of course, you could be pulling a Mr. Orange right now too...

But based on what we have to go on, I'm still going with Fouts.

Thomkal
07-07-2005, 06:58 PM
Now digamma was that a nice thing to do, naming me a suspect after I welcomed you to the game? :) Your reasoning about the wolves spreading their votes around is sound, but I'm not a wolf. I had strong reasons that I mentioned in going for King, stronger than the reasons for Fouts in my opinion, nothing more. Even us plain villagers can disagree on who we think is a wolf. Was their a wolf jumping on after I made the initial vote for him? Probably, but that can wait until tomorrow.

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 07:00 PM
Your reasoning about the wolves spreading their votes around is sound, but I'm not a wolf.
Why do people say this? Isn't this something a wolf would say as well?

KWhit
07-07-2005, 07:09 PM
Day 2:

The voting was close, but the final result:

Fouts 7 (mrsimperless, JeeberD, Schmidty, Raiders Army, Token Asian Guy, digamma, George W Bush)
Kingfc22 6 (Thomkal, Fouts, Raven, henry296, heybrad, ntndeacon)


You grab Fouts, kicking and screaming, and drag him to the corner of the lobby where you have the rope at the ready. "No! I'm just a simple villager! Don't do this!" he screams. But you do.

You string him up. He struggles. He thrashes. He wails. But finally he stops and is limp. You wait for the inevitable, but he doesn't turn into a werewolf. You have lynched an innocent villager.

The wolves win this round.

PM your evening actions to me sometime tonight. I'll post the morning turn around 7:30 or 8:00 tomorrow morning.

Desnudo
07-07-2005, 07:10 PM
Oops

KWhit
07-07-2005, 07:11 PM
Alive and Kicking:
henry296
Raven
Neon_Chaos
digamma
mrsimperless
heybrad
Thomkal
George W Bush
JeeberD
ntndeacon
Schmidty
kingfc22
Token Asian Guy
Raiders Army

Hanging from the rafters:
Blackadar - Werewolf, lynched Day 1
Fouts - Villager, lynched Day 2

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 07:12 PM
Damn. I say damn because he was a villager, but not because his stuff made any sense. Also, this throws everything into the mixer.

ntndeacon
07-07-2005, 07:17 PM
Son of a Gun! I guess it was too much to hope we would be right 2 days in a row. Do good tonight, Bodyguard.

Joe
07-07-2005, 07:23 PM
No good. At this point, I think it might be wise to go back and look at Blackadar's posts and see if we can get any clues that way. I'm really confused as to why Fouts was somewhat trying to deflect attention away from Blackadar during the first vote now.

Peregrine
07-07-2005, 07:25 PM
Clearly Kwhit is a werewolf!

KWhit
07-07-2005, 07:26 PM
Shhhhh! Don't tell.

henry296
07-07-2005, 07:27 PM
Except Blackie edited most of his posts... which doesn't help much.

ntndeacon
07-07-2005, 07:31 PM
I thought we weren't supposed to edit our posts.

henry296
07-07-2005, 07:34 PM
I thought we weren't supposed to edit our posts.

You shouldn't but he did since he wasn't happy with how things developed especially the late votes.

ntndeacon
07-07-2005, 07:37 PM
Well that stinks. 11/23 rd of the fun is to go back and use dead peoples words against the living.

Joe
07-07-2005, 07:39 PM
that wont help us then.

Raiders Army
07-07-2005, 07:41 PM
I'm confused as well. I was almost sure that Fouts was a bad guy. Maybe he was the sorceror? Would that have been revealed or not?

Maybe this analysis will help:

Day 1

Neon_Chaos: Jeebs
mrsimperless: Blackadar
Raiders Army: Blackadar
kingfc22: Blackadar first, changed to Schmidty
Thomkal: Buzzbee
heybrad: Schmidty
Fouts: Schmidty
henry296: Raiders Army
JeeberD: Schmidty first, changed to Blackadar
Raven: Buzzbee
GWB: Blackadar
TAG: Buzzbee first, changed to Blackadar
Schmidty: Blackadar

Day 2:

mrsimperless: Fouts
JeeberD: Fouts
Schmidty: Fouts
Thomkal: kingfc22
Raiders Army: Fouts
Fouts: kingfc22
Raven: kingfc22
henry296: kingfc22
TAG: Fouts
heybrad: kingfc22
ntndeacon: kingfc22
digamma: Fouts
GWB: Fouts
Neon_Chaos: No vote
kingfc22: No vote

So, assigning a numerical value to how people vote:

Neon_Chaos: 0
mrsimperless: 0
Raiders Army: 0
kingfc22: -0.5
Thomkal: +0.5
heybrad: -0.5
henry296: +0.5
JeeberD: -0.5
Raven: +0.5
GWB: 0
TAG: -0.5
Schmidty: 0
ntndeacon: +0.5*
digamma: -1*

*only one vote so far
Using the scale below:
+1 for wolf vote without changing
+0.5 for wolf vote on change
+0.5 for not voting against villager
0 for no vote or unknown vote
-0.5 for wrong vote on change (assuming Schmidty is a wrong vote)
-1 for not voting against wolf
-1 for wrong vote without changing

In my mind, the negative number people are suspicious, but then again, it's still really early in the game.

Edit-Format, and I know I'll take some shit for this, but I had kingfc22 at +0.5 instead of -0.5

kingfc22
07-07-2005, 07:50 PM
Sorry guys. Just got home from work and I can't believe that I was almost killed. My statement that blacky is good was in response to Blackadar saying he felt he was targeted for personal reasons. He has since edited that post. :(

Thomkal
07-07-2005, 08:06 PM
Why do people say this? Isn't this something a wolf would say as well?
People say it because believe it or not, some people tell the truth in this game. Like me for instance. :)

kingfc22
07-07-2005, 08:20 PM
I'm confused as well. I was almost sure that Fouts was a bad guy. Maybe he was the sorceror? Would that have been revealed or not?.
I think this sums up my thoughts as well after reading to catch up on today's posts.

As for yesterday: I had to put in an early vote because I wasn't going to be off until about 4:30 PM PST. 30 minutes before the deadline. So I checked the board before I went to work and noticed that Blackadar already had 2 votes for him. I decided to vote for him at that time because a) he was the only person with any votes and b) Blackadar would not be able to reasonably target me because mrsimperless and Raider's army were the first two to vote for him.

I had a chance at lunch to check the board and noticed that Blackadar felt he was being personally targeted for whatever reason and I felt bad about that, so I switched to another person who had multiple votes, Schimidty. There was no other rhyme or reason for my voting pattern other than I was at work. Just like today when I got out at 5 PST and did not get to vote whatsoever.

digamma
07-07-2005, 08:51 PM
Sorry Fouts.

That sucks.

Hopefully, though, we did get protection from the body guard on night 1 and we're only dealing with no more than two wolves and a sorceror.

Neon_Chaos
07-07-2005, 08:57 PM
Sorry i wasn't able to vote. Work was tough last night. (i live in the philippines, so basically 8AM there = 8PM here, vice versa).

It sucks that Fouts was a villager. Hmmm. The werewolves must be spreading their votes around now, to avoid being caught and lynched.

Now I'm not sure who's who anymore. :( I'm stumped.

mrsimperless
07-07-2005, 09:00 PM
Oh my god, people use this phrase a little too loosely I think. If they knew how painful it actually was they might think twice before saying it. These monkeys flying out of my butt hurt like a BITCH.

Sorry Fouts. What can I say? I guess my analysis yesterday was completely off and it was pure dumb luck that got us Blackadar. I'm going to have to go back and do some serious re-reading now.

KWhit
07-08-2005, 07:14 AM
Night 2:

The evening passes, and the living make their way down to the common room. Although no one was killed by wolves on the previous night, you aren't so lucky this morning.

Thomkal is missing. A quick check of his guest room reveals what you had feared. His mangled body lies on the floor in a most unnatural position. The claw marks and bite wounds are clear. Thomkal has been killed by the wolves.

Vote for day 3 is due by 8pm tonight.

KWhit
07-08-2005, 07:15 AM
Alive and Kicking:
henry296
Raven
Neon_Chaos
digamma
mrsimperless
heybrad
George W Bush
JeeberD
ntndeacon
Schmidty
kingfc22
Token Asian Guy
Raiders Army

Gone but not forgotten:
Blackadar - Werewolf, lynched Day 1
Fouts - Villager, lynched Day 2
Thomkal - Villager, killed by Werewolves Night 2

Thomkal
07-08-2005, 07:55 AM
Hmm Looks like I hit a nerve. :) A bad kill for the wolves though because as I stated all along I was a plain villager. Gave the good guys with a special role another day to live and thus help us win. Almost asked the bodyguard to protect me, but thought they might go after their kill attempt from the first night again. Guess I should have asked. :)

I'll be watching along to see which of my suspicions made me a target. Go get 'em humans!

Peregrine
07-08-2005, 07:57 AM
Now's your chance to haunt this thread like there's no tomorrow Thomkal! Ghostly fluids from the walls, chains being dragged around, evil tapes shoved into VCRs, you've got tons of stuff to work with!

Thomkal
07-08-2005, 07:58 AM
heh peregrine. The ghosts in your game are sure making things confusing aren't they? Could be fun.

::;tests rattling chains:::

Raiders Army
07-08-2005, 09:14 AM
It pains me to see a fellow CoHer gone. I need to look at your posts to see why they targeted you.

Raiders Army
07-08-2005, 09:21 AM
Doh. In looking over your posts, I find that there were possibly two things that got you eaten.

1. Your questioning of how people voted.
2. Your big suspicions of Kingfc22.

I would put the top three people who are suspicious in your death as being Kingfc22, JeeberD (whom you questioned), and myself.

The top choice is obviously Kingfc22. I would rank myself as being suspicious as a wolf as well (with my conversation with Fouts yesterday). Finally, you did call out Jeebs.

Since I think the Jeebs vote is somewhat weak, and I'm not going to vote for myself, I have one last choice:

Vote kingfc22

Sorry I didn't do it last night Fouts. :(

JeeberD
07-08-2005, 09:25 AM
Damn, sorry Fouts. Weird how the theory worked in getting Blacky but got you lynched while innocent.

I'm all confuddled now. I'll have to submit my vote later this afternoon after doing some research...

henry296
07-08-2005, 09:27 AM
Since Thomkal voted for Kingfc22 and was one of the first to vote for him last round, maybe we were onto something. If so, then I am worried about the wolves getting me next.

Neon_Chaos
07-08-2005, 09:28 AM
Hmmm. I'm voting for Raiders Army. :) I have my suspicions.

The kingfc22 reason is obvious... a little too obvious. Maybe the werewolves are trying to throw us off guard? I don't know. But I am voting for Raiders, since I am going on my gut feeling. :)

Vote Raiders Army

Raiders Army
07-08-2005, 09:35 AM
Hmmm. I'm voting for Raiders Army. :) I have my suspicions.

The kingfc22 reason is obvious... a little too obvious. Maybe the werewolves are trying to throw us off guard? I don't know. But I am voting for Raiders, since I am going on my gut feeling. :)

Vote Raiders Army
Awww, c'mon, I'm not a werewolf. :)

I agree it's obvious, but I explained why I voted for him. Why are you voting for me other than a gut feeling? Did you have Taco Bell?

Neon_Chaos
07-08-2005, 10:01 AM
You know, I really don't have a solid explanation. Maybe it's because you're quick to analyze and go for a kingfc22 vote. I don't know. I just feel soemthing's wrong. :)

Raven
07-08-2005, 10:13 AM
At least they only got a villager.

Busy day for me today, but I'll be back later this afternoon. Unfortunately I'll have to cast my vote early this afternoon because after 3:30 I won't be available until late tonight. Hopefully I can find something that sheds some light on the situation.

heybrad
07-08-2005, 10:38 AM
I'll be voting early today as I'm leaving work early and I'm heading off for a incredibly short camping trip (I'll be gone from about 6pm Friday until 2pm Saturday). Right now I'm leaning towards Kingfc22, but I'm interested to hear more discussion.

Raiders Army
07-08-2005, 10:45 AM
You know, I really don't have a solid explanation. Maybe it's because you're quick to analyze and go for a kingfc22 vote. I don't know. I just feel soemthing's wrong. :)
I believe it's your spelling. I might just change my vote for you since you don't have a solid explanation. I have tried to numerically quantify the voting above, and kingfc22 comes out as a suspect. The fact that Fouts was actually a villager makes it even more suspicious. Then, Thomkal gets taken out when he said kingfc22 was the most suspicious. How do you not see that at this point, he's the prime candidate?

digamma
07-08-2005, 10:48 AM
I agree with heybrad that we need more discussion. We kind of jumped into the Fouts vote yesterday (though king got a sizeable number of votes). It seems too easy to just go with kingfc22 now--like that's what the wolves might want us to do.

henry296
07-08-2005, 10:59 AM
I do want to hear Kingfc22 opinion about what happened yesterday before I vote.

Raven
07-08-2005, 11:01 AM
I'm wondering if there is some reverse psychology going on here.

Fouts and King were butting heads. Fouts said he'd take one for the team. If he goes, then take out Kingfc next. Thomkal also was the first to vote for Kingfc, I think. Someone want to verify this?


Either the wolves are trying to set up Kingfc, or they know voting for Kingfc will be so obvious tonight, they think we won't lynch him.

Very interesting.

Raiders Army
07-08-2005, 11:09 AM
I'm wondering if there is some reverse psychology going on here.

Fouts and King were butting heads. Fouts said he'd take one for the team. If he goes, then take out Kingfc next. Thomkal also was the first to vote for Kingfc, I think. Someone want to verify this?


Either the wolves are trying to set up Kingfc, or they know voting for Kingfc will be so obvious tonight, they think we won't lynch him.

Very interesting.
Yes, Thomkal was the first to vote for Kingfc. I can understand the reverse psychology angle, but some things don't make sense.

For the record, I believe Fouts and I were butting heads and I think he said he'd take one for the team by getting booted and exposing the true werewolves. Kingfc22 wasn't on yesterday until after the vote. I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say because Fouts is a villager. If Kingfc is a villager, then how were he and Fouts going to set up the werewolves? Wouldn't the villagers want to get the werewolves?

digamma
07-08-2005, 11:10 AM
I'm willing to give myself up in order to get a real werewolf lynched. Lynch me tonight, and then King the next night. If my suspicions are correct, then its a good tradeoff for us villagers.

Gonna take one for the team. Remember me well.
Here was the Fouts quote.

kingfc22
07-08-2005, 11:32 AM
Going to the eyedoctor, but I will be home around 11:30 PST to 5:00 so plenty of time for discussion is ahead.

mrsimperless
07-08-2005, 12:10 PM
Well last night's results really threw me for a loop. I was convinced that Fouts was a wolf and I thought this game was going to start to wrap up. However, we're now in an interesting situation, as only 2 people received votes yesterday. We already now Fouts was a villager. There are only two options for king.

If king is a WOLF:
Yesterday's votes become much more interesting. Especially those swing votes at the end by Digamma and GWB. If king is a wolf then the wolves could not have afforded to let another one die yesterday.

If king is a VILLAGER:
Then yesterday's vote meant absolutely nothing. The wolves were loving it and could have gone either way as no wolves were targetted all day.

Something else of note is that it seems to me king has two "defenders" today at this point. Digamma and Neon. And digamma was one of the swing voters I mentioned from yesterday.

Also, I went back and diagramed the day 1 voting. (I'd post it, but I don't have anywhere to host the document. PM me if you'd like to host it and we can put it in this thread) It seems to me that for the most part the wolves wouldn't have voted for blackie on day 1 as it was pretty close. Also, the wolves probably didn't vote for someone who voted for blackie, as that would look a bit suspicious when he was found to be a wolf. (henry falls under this category) Those people were: Thomkal, king, Neon, and heybrad. NTNDeacon (Suicane) and Digamma (buzzbee) didn't vote at all as they weren't yet in the game. TAG and Jeeber each voted for Blackadar, but changed their vote to him later.

I have to thank the wolves for killing Thomkal last night, as that clears things up a little bit. Ad to that Thomkal being a king accuser and it looks like we have something.

So much information swirling aroudn in my head, but right now my axis of evil looks like this:

king
digamma
neon

With TAG and Jeeber waiting in the wings. It's the only theory I have at this point. AND, it all falls apart if king isn't a wolf. Therefore, I REALLY want to know if king is a wolf tonight. If he's not a whole new approach needs to be found for tomorrow, which I'm sure tonight's events will help with.

Vote kingfc22

mrsimperless
07-08-2005, 12:15 PM
Just to clarify the PM blurb above, I don't want to discuss the game over PM. I just want to email my document to someone who can put it in the thread for us. It's actually not that great of a document anyway and doesn't reveal much, so if nobody cares to see it or no one can host it that is fine.

Raiders Army
07-08-2005, 12:33 PM
If you look at my post #204, I showed how people voted Day 1 and Day 2. I think that even if we don't get a wolf tonight, the voting will begin to show trends.

Neon_Chaos
07-08-2005, 12:34 PM
Heck, I'm not defending kingfc22. I'm actually saying that he's the obvious choice. Very obvious, in fact, which is why I won't vote for him. Feel free to vote kingfc22, if he's a werewolf then I'm wrong, and we're safer with another big hairy baddie down and out.

I'm just going with my gut feeling, and my gut feeling points towards Raiders Army. :) Oh, this is going to look bad if kingfc turns out to be a werewolf. Hah.

Neon_Chaos
07-08-2005, 12:49 PM
dola

You know what, I've been reading the backlogs a bit. What the heck. Raiders, you voted for Blackaddar in the first round right? Hmmm.

Unvote Raiders Army

Vote kingfc22

digamma
07-08-2005, 12:53 PM
Something else of note is that it seems to me king has two "defenders" today at this point. Digamma and Neon. And digamma was one of the swing voters I mentioned from yesterday.

So much information swirling aroudn in my head, but right now my axis of evil looks like this:

king
digamma
neon



Again. Rest assured, I am not a wolf.

I don't know that I defended kingfc. I just said I'd like to see more discussion. I think kingfc22 is the easy choice, but I don't want him to be the wrong choice.

mrsimperless
07-08-2005, 01:54 PM
So what rules were ignored? I don't see anywhere in the rules where it says to vote for someone who hasn't shown up yet...

Not that this matters, but going back through the posts I think I figured out why blackadar was so upset. I think the votes that put him over the top occurred after the deadline and that was why he was mad. Although it's hard to tell because he erased his posts.

ntndeacon
07-08-2005, 01:55 PM
I am not sure on this. However the rush to judgement, without other suspects is fishy to me. I can see 3 possibilities to why this is so.
1. THe werewolf/ves have not been online yet so haven't seen the voting.
2. The werewolves have figured that king is already lost to them, so they hide among his accusers. (shoot they coulda talked about it last night for all we know)
3. The werewolf/ves are jumping on because king is a not a werewolf, so it is another easy kill.

I tend to think it is one of the latter two. and would love to throw out another name, but I am not sure who yet.

kingfc22
07-08-2005, 01:55 PM
Well, I can say for sure that I am the wrong choice. I already explained my reasoning for why I changed my vote from Blackadar to Schmidty on day 1. Unfortunately for me, Blackadar WAS a wolf and now it looks like I was trying to save him.

So do as you will, but I'm not a threat to Mount Fogg.

Back on day 1, Fouts voted for Schmidty and that combined with the fact that I didn't want Blackadar to take this game personal is why I changed my vote. So, we found out Fouts is a villager and now you want to lynch another. Odd if you ask me, but I have a feeling the wolves are going to win this one if the voting continues in its current pattern.

Schmidty
07-08-2005, 02:00 PM
This one's easy:

Vote kingfc22

mrsimperless
07-08-2005, 02:07 PM
Although I REALLY want to know for sure if king is a wolf and will probably still vote for him, some of you guys make valid points. As I stated in my axis of evil post above, if we all vote for king and he turns out to be a villager then we might as well throw the last two days voting results out the window as votes will have been for villagers. This being the case I see no harm in at least discussing what we would do if king were NOT a wolf, as this is the same discussion we would have to have tomorrow anyway.

If king is a wolf, it's easy and I vote for digamma tomorrow. I'll try to put together my "what if he's not" analysis and post it in a few.

kingfc22
07-08-2005, 02:08 PM
I still have my eye on heybrad. He DID not vote for Blackadar on the first night and then voted for me knowing that if I died it would be just another villager getting the rope. Then the wolves would have you guys lynch Fouts for his suspicious behavior on day one and we already know he WAS a villager. Then the wolves get to strike again and we would still have no clue who to target making this game practically over.

henry296
07-08-2005, 02:30 PM
While king seems like an obvious choice and I am curious about him, I don't think he is a wolf anymore even after voting for him yesterday. I am curious about one of his defenders Neon_chaos:

1. Not willing to jump on the Blackadar bandwagon and voted relatively early for JeeberD. Perhaps trying to start a different bandwagon for a non - wolf.

2. His trying to entice votes for kingfc22 without voting for him initially. Then he decided to get on board after nobody joined his bandwagon. Maybe he was trying to float another candidate out there and if it takes off he can jump back.

mrsimperless
07-08-2005, 02:32 PM
I am getting more pissed at Blackadar for erasing his posts. I was trying to update my chart so that it shows not only the entire voting picture, but what the current vote count was at the time of their vote.

Does anyone know which of Blackadar's edited post was his vote for Schmidty? Was it one of the two immediately preceding Bucc's quote of him, the one way up on the top of page 2, or one of his posts on page 1?

Thomkal
07-08-2005, 02:45 PM
I /think/ it was post #78 actually at 7:40 pm. I seem to remember him voting late in the day because it was unclear if he would be voted out or not. Could be wrong though.

Raiders Army
07-08-2005, 02:46 PM
Shit, at this point kingfc22 is the most logical choice in lieu of anything to go off of; however, maybe he has a point. The quiet ones let us speculate and knock each other off. heybrad has been pretty quiet, and I initially had him and Fouts together to knock off Schmidty. I said yesterday that I would vote for him or Fouts depending on how they defended themselves. He let Fouts hang himself with his own words while he just sat it out. Interesting...

Raiders Army
07-08-2005, 02:53 PM
Dola, then again, heybrad voted for kingfc22 last night...

...the wolves last night could've voted for whoever if both individuals were villagers. Then the voting would begin to make more sense because last night didn't matter to them. I may change my vote to heybrad.

mrsimperless
07-08-2005, 03:01 PM
Dola, then again, heybrad voted for kingfc22 last night...

...the wolves last night could've voted for whoever if both individuals were villagers. Then the voting would begin to make more sense because last night didn't matter to them. I may change my vote to heybrad.

Exactly. That's one of the reason's I want to vote for king. Then we'll no for sure if yesterday's votes meant anything.

However I'm not ready to say that I'm sticking with my king vote yet. I just about have the day 1 voting patterns complete which I'm using to decide who I would suspect if king is in fact a villager. Is anyone able to host this image so we can all see it?

heybrad
07-08-2005, 03:27 PM
I still have my eye on heybrad. He DID not vote for Blackadar on the first night and then voted for me knowing that if I died it would be just another villager getting the rope. Then the wolves would have you guys lynch Fouts for his suspicious behavior on day one and we already know he WAS a villager. Then the wolves get to strike again and we would still have no clue who to target making this game practically over.
Thats a pretty weak chance to push the vote towards me. Lets make it official. I'm sticking with my last vote.

Vote kingfc22