Werewolf XV: Round 'Em Up And Hang 'Em!

[jeff061]

Where did he post that... that's a very shady-looking comment.

I just explained myself. It won't matter to Saldana because no matter what an innocent would die.

[SnDvls]

After falling for Saldana's

"I'm the witness" I just couldn't fall for Fouts "I'm the sheriff"
mabey I'm wrong, but I guess we'll see.

[Fouts]

Well can you be the first one and put it together for me? I wish you did it earlier because I can't take you guys for another day.

C'mon jeff. You can weather the storm! It's all in good fun.

[jeff061]

This, combined with his last second vote for me, has me convinced. Finally, some real evidence.

But it's just me trying to paint myself as an innocent, right??

[RPI-Fan]

I just explained myself. It won't matter to Saldana because no matter what an innocent would die.

Well... if you aren't the sheriff and believe Fouts is good -- please say so so we get a chance to protect someone tonight.

[jeff061]

C'mon jeff. You can weather the storm! It's all in good fun.

Hehe, yeah. But when I'm pointing out things I consider obvious(Saldana, Schmidty, Sundvls, Pass or Wednesday) only to have people vote for me for no reason it's maddening :D.

[Fouts]

But it's just me trying to paint myself as an innocent, right??

If SnDvls is an outlaw, then I will be on your side. If not, you are back under the noose.

[jeff061]

Well... if you aren't the sheriff and believe Fouts is good -- please say so so we get a chance to protect someone tonight.

?? The sheriff outed himself already and I've said Fouts is good for the last two days.

[RPI-Fan]

jeff: If it is a tie vote... this is your chance to help the team -- admit you aren't the sheriff before Barkeep decides.

[Fouts]

Hehe, yeah. But when I'm pointing out things I consider obvious(Saldana, Schmidty, Sundvls, Pass or Wednesday) only to have people vote for me for no reason it's maddening :D.

Yes, if that were me, and I was an innocent, I would be pulling my hair out.

[RPI-Fan]

?? The sheriff outed himself already and I've said Fouts is good for the last two days.

Fouts is the sheriff then, right? If that's the case, please ask Barkeep to vote for you.

[Fouts]

Nobody has disputed my being the sheriff. Look at my BADGE!!!!

[Fouts]

I don't even know what the vote is right now.

[jeff061]

Fouts is the sheriff then, right? If that's the case, please ask Barkeep to vote for you.

Yes Fouts is the sheriff, I thought he was innocent even before I knew that though. I'm not sure I follow your Barkeep logic.

[RPI-Fan]

Yes Fouts is the sheriff, I thought he was innocent even before I knew that though. I'm not sure I follow your Barkeep logic.

If you aren't an Outlaw, you will ask Barkeep to break the tie by lynching you. If you are an Outlaw, you will ignore this request.

[jeff061]

What? Why would I do that?

[jeff061]

I mean lets keep this going, cause Outlaw or not I don't see me trying to get myself lynched here, so i'm interested in your logic.

However, the deadline has passed.

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, here is the official tally (votes dated 9:00pm don't count):

jeff - fouts, rpi
fouts - pass, sndvls
sndvls - jeff

In the case of a tie, the Baron gets to decide who goes. Barkeep is the Baron, so he decides.

[Fouts]

I think 9pm votes do count, whereas 9:01 votes do not.

[RPI-Fan]

jeff: If you are a "normal" villager, Fouts has more value to our victory than you do because of his Sheriff status. To help the team win, keeping him alive is in the villagers' best interest.

[Fouts]

Then again, I could be wrong. What say you jeff?

[jeff061]

Oh, that sucks.

I'll look guilty by saying this. But Fouts is dead either tonight or tomorrow night anyways. If you guys are going to lynch me tomorrow anyways, then I don't think it matters. But if I am alive they are not going to attack me because of the heat on me. Course after typing that out who knows what they'll do.

Please try to see the reasoning in my post, I am not trying to get myself off the hook.

[RPI-Fan]

I think 9pm votes do count, whereas 9:01 votes do not.

In that case, it is a runoff b/w jeff and sndvls.

jeff - rpi
fouts - pass, sndvls
sndvls - jeff, fouts

In this case, seems pretty clear that we need Barkeep to dump SnDvls and fetch ourselves an Outlaw! :D

[jeff061]

I repeat try to see the logic, which I think is solid.

It can go either way really, I won't be upset at the decision.

[RPI-Fan]

I repeat try to see the logic, which I think is solid.

It can go either way really, I won't be upset at the decision.

???

If the 9pm votes count, we get SnDvls, who I think we all agree is 100% Outlaw. In that case, we can hope Fouts protects the right person tonight, and have a chance of going into tomorrow with a chance to finish these mofo's off.

[jeff061]

That was meant for the Fouts v Me run off.

If Sundvl is in it, obviously he's the choice.

Let me go back and read the last cluster of posts, maybe I'm confused :).

[RPI-Fan]

That was meant for the Fouts v Me run off.

If Sundvl is in it, obviously he's the choice.

Let me go back and read the last cluster of posts, maybe I'm confused :).

I'm 99% sure my two time-dependent tally's are correct.

[RPI-Fan]

Does anyone feel SnDvls is NOT an Outlaw?

[jeff061]

Ok, so it's between me and Sun? Yeah, then I'd have to say Sun.

[SnDvls]

Does anyone feel SnDvls is NOT an Outlaw?


I don't :)

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, so it's between me and Sun? Yeah, then I'd have to say Sun.

Not sure... the quote is "The deadline is 9pm EDT". Read into that what you will -- I feel like 9:00pm votes DO count.

[jeff061]

Does anyone feel SnDvls is NOT an Outlaw?

As I've been saying, I feel rather confident about him.

[jeff061]

I'm pretty sure Votes at 9 count.

[SnDvls]

correct vote count for those reading

SnDvls - Fouts, Jeff
Mr. W - RPI
Fouts - Pass, SnDvls

[RPI-Fan]

BTW... that is a pretty bush-league play by SnDvls.

[Fouts]

That was meant for the Fouts v Me run off.

If Sundvl is in it, obviously he's the choice.

Let me go back and read the last cluster of posts, maybe I'm confused :).

Ok, I think jeff is guilty, if he isn't then I have been wrong a ton, plus he hasn't claimed a role.

jeff thinks I'm innocent, I claim sheriff.

So between those two, Barkeep would choose to lynch sheriff over suspicious villager?

[jeff061]

The lurking? I don't know, if people are going to get suspicious of you when you lurk and don't post(which they do) I think you should be able to guest-lurk.

[SnDvls]

BTW... that is a pretty bush-league play by SnDvls.


hey I asked for a run down, and got two stories from you back to back.

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, I think jeff is guilty, if he isn't then I have been wrong a ton, plus he hasn't claimed a role.

jeff thinks I'm innocent, I claim sheriff.

So between those two, Barkeep would choose to lynch sheriff over suspicious villager?

That's what I was saying. It seems blatantly obvious, that if jeff was thinking it was a jeff vs. fouts runoff, he should admit he's not the sheriff and tell Barkeep to lynch himself.

[RPI-Fan]

hey I asked for a run down, and got two stories from you back to back.

I try and bail you out when you come in at 8:57pm... you in turn clearly had a plan all along to vote off our sheriff.

[jeff061]

Ok, I think jeff is guilty, if he isn't then I have been wrong a ton, plus he hasn't claimed a role.

jeff thinks I'm innocent, I claim sheriff.

So between those two, Barkeep would choose to lynch sheriff over suspicious villager?

You are wrong a ton, and I think my reasoning in a runoff between you and me is rock solid and trancends guilt.

But it doesn't matter since it seems I'm not involved.

[SnDvls]

dola -

I had read where Fouts claimed to be sheriff, trying to pull a saldana on us all again, at least I assume he was.

[Fouts]

BTW... that is a pretty bush-league play by SnDvls.

It has happened before. You don't play much, stay low, and try and survive. If you talk too much, you get targeted. I don't prefer to play that way, but some do. Just makes it more of a crapshoot for those of us that are active.

[RPI-Fan]

The lurking? I don't know, if people are going to get suspicious of you when you lurk and don't post(which they do) I think you should be able to guest-lurk.

Not saying it shouldn't be allowed, but that doesn't mean it's not bush-league.

[jeff061]

The situation with Saldana was different because we new the Outlaws got notification of the witness.

[SnDvls]

I try and bail you out when you come in at 8:57pm... you in turn clearly had a plan all along to vote off our sheriff.


what makes you believe he's the sheriff? He did the same thing Saldana did, just on a less busy day.

[RPI-Fan]

It has happened before. You don't play much, stay low, and try and survive. If you talk too much, you get targeted. I don't prefer to play that way, but some do. Just makes it more of a crapshoot for those of us that are active.

The 8:57pm thing is what I have a problem with. 8:45pm, we're coo-day-la... 8:57pm is bullshit.

[jeff061]

It has happened before. You don't play much, stay low, and try and survive. If you talk too much, you get targeted. I don't prefer to play that way, but some do. Just makes it more of a crapshoot for those of us that are active.

And here I am targetting the quiet ones and you are all over me ;).

[Fouts]

what makes you believe he's the sheriff? He did the same thing Saldana did, just on a less busy day.

It is undisputed. I really wish somebody would dispute it and claim the role. Like I said earlier, a 1 for 1 is a good trade for us.

[jeff061]

what makes you believe he's the sheriff? He did the same thing Saldana did, just on a less busy day.

No, like i just said, there is a huge difference. Why would he take that risk unless he had to? He didn't. Saldana did and on top of that knew who the real witness was.

[Fouts]

And here I am targetting the quiet ones and you are all over me ;).

I know, it sucks. I just don't have anything on those guys. It's like throw Mr. W, SnDvls and Schmidty in a hat and pick one. BTW, I saw Schmidty lurking earlier. How could he not have any opinion on how this is playing out?

[SnDvls]

okay well if I'm gone by Barkeep, which looks like I am with his analysis. Then good luck.

I was basing my vote off RPI when I got on at 5:53 (my time) and he said vote for Jeff or Fouts. Sorry I have a family and it's dinner time where I'm at.
good night.

[jeff061]

Why do you have trouble buying into what I said in #693? I think that's very valid and will lead us to victory. It's certainly more on them than what is on me.

Out of all the people that voted for Dubb in the Dubb vrs Saldana runoff only two are not cleared. Does that not stand for something? There is only 2(not including myself) not cleared who voted for Saldana.

I think 2 voted for the innocent Dubb and 1 for Saldana.

[RPI-Fan]

Saldana you must be enjoying this :).

Just going to repost what I did yesterday, maybe we can spark an actual logical conversation, since I'm pretty confident in the following, and no one commented on it(defaulting to me for a reason yet to be conveyed).



It looks like Fouts is clean, Hoops is dead. So here's my updated hit list.

Outlaws: Schmidty and Sundvls both are. And either Wednesday or Pass.

Any thoughts on this? Or am I just being suspicious....

Bump.

[Fouts]

With jeff choosing his own neck over the sheriff's neck, I am now 99.5% sure he is an outlaw. He is playing against all known villager strategies. The ones where you give up numbers to get numbers.

[RPI-Fan]

Why do you have trouble buying into what I said in #693? I think that's very valid and will lead us to victory. It's certainly more on them than what is on me.

Out of all the people that voted for Dubb in the Dubb vrs Saldana runoff only two are not cleared. Does that not stand for something? There is only 2(not including myself) not cleared who voted for Saldana.

I think 2 voted for the innocent Dubb and 1 for Saldana.

Who are those 2?

[Barkeep49]

Whoops. I had 9 o'clock as the vote deadline and so I came on now ready to figure out who I'd vote for.... Only I forgot it's really an 8 o'clock vote deadline. Seems though that it's a tie. I'm not sure that I get to decide the tie, however. In case I do I'm going to reread before saying who I would vote for if I get to break the tie.

[Fouts]

If that's the case I would expect the witness to speak up(and be guarded tonight). If he doesn't I feel pretty safe with Dubb.

If Saldana is lying and the witness speaks up, then Saldana dies tonight, then the witness uses his ability tonight and tomorrow we kill another outlaw. Seems like a decent sized risk.

Bump.

This post is from jeff, soon after saldana came out as the "witness". It seems obvious to me he is expecting someone to claim to be the witness, setting the stage for a fight between the two. As an outlaw who knows what is coming, he will back the actual witness and give himself a pass to the end of the game. But alas, the sheriff saw through this.

[Barkeep49]

While I will be 100% convinced of Fouts inoccence tomorrow after everyone comes back from the weekend, if I get to break the tie then I will vote for either SnDvls or Jeff.

Sn I think you're an innocent villager but if Fouts is the sherrif, which I am 60% sure of, then he should be kept around first. Sorry.

Jeff: I don't think you're as suspicious as everyone else, although Fouts post in 808 has me thinking slightly more.

[RPI-Fan]

Whoops. I had 9 o'clock as the vote deadline and so I came on now ready to figure out who I'd vote for.... Only I forgot it's really an 8 o'clock vote deadline. Seems though that it's a tie. I'm not sure that I get to decide the tie, however. In case I do I'm going to reread before saying who I would vote for if I get to break the tie.

I'm pretty sure you do decide the tie... myself, Fouts, and jeff (two+ of whom our villagers) all agree that SnDvls is an Outlaw.

[jeff061]

With jeff choosing his own neck over the sheriff's neck, I am now 99.5% sure he is an outlaw. He is playing against all known villager strategies. The ones where you give up numbers to get numbers.

I'd wish you'd argue my logic, not my conclusion. You keep doing this. On top of that I said I wouldn't fault the choice either way. Think it through for once, you know as well as I that you are dead either way. Maybe you save your own neck tonight, but then you die tomorrow night.

Who are those 2?

Sundvl and Schmidty.


Quote:
Originally Posted by jeff061
If that's the case I would expect the witness to speak up(and be guarded tonight). If he doesn't I feel pretty safe with Dubb.

If Saldana is lying and the witness speaks up, then Saldana dies tonight, then the witness uses his ability tonight and tomorrow we kill another outlaw. Seems like a decent sized risk.


Bump.

This post is from jeff, soon after saldana came out as the "witness". It seems obvious to me he is expecting someone to claim to be the witness, setting the stage for a fight between the two. As an outlaw who knows what is coming, he will back the actual witness and give himself a pass to the end of the game. But alas, the sheriff saw through this.

Once again I was sorry for being logical. I wasn't expecting it, per say, but I think we have all seen this situation where this happens. I wanted to make sure you didn't step up right away and give away your identity. Which is another thing, why would I tell the Sheriff to keep quiet?

And I was backing Saldana until I realized the the outlaws were notified the identity of the witness, only then did I change my vote to Saldana.

[RPI-Fan]

Another thing that has me thinking:

When it looked like jeff might be able to get Fouts lynched outright, he was all for attacking him. When it appeared he'd have to go after someone else to save himself, both him and Fouts are good guys.

Basically, he'll claim anybody to be clean when it makes him look more like a villager.

[RPI-Fan]

...why would I tell the Sheriff to keep quiet?

Because he's going to do so anyways until accused, so you can come back on Day 7 and say how you made a "villager play".

[Fouts]

Another thing that has me thinking:

When it looked like jeff might be able to get Fouts lynched outright, he was all for attacking him. When it appeared he'd have to go after someone else to save himself, both him and Fouts are good guys.

Basically, he'll claim anybody to be clean when it makes him look more like a villager.

BINGO!

[jeff061]

?? When was I all for attacking him? When I voted for him? He wasn't on my suspect list but the fact he kept pushing an outcome without any logic behind it(unlike, I don't know, me), has me suspicious.

But that quickly changed when he outed himself.

In any case, I am soooo tired of defending myself. If and when I do die you are all going to look... less than optimal, cause I'm the only one in this game finding anything close to evidence.

[Fouts]

And pass piled right on. Didn't wait for any analysis, just took jeff's word. I'm not 99% on pass, but I got this huge signal telling me jeff is.

[RPI-Fan]

?? When was I all for attacking him? When I voted for him? He wasn't on my suspect list but the fact he kept pushing an outcome without any logic behind it(unlike, I don't know, me), has me suspicious.

But that quickly changed when he outed himself.

In any case, I am soooo tired of defending myself. If and when I do die you are all going to look... less than optimal, cause I'm the only one in this game finding anything close to evidence.

The "evidence" is that you were quiet the first half of the game, and when it is necessary for the Outlaws to make a push because the Villagers are getting momentum, you step up and put up "smart" flawed logic.

[jeff061]

You have no idea how hard I'm biting my tongue :).


YOU ARE WRONG

[RPI-Fan]

And pass piled right on. Didn't wait for any analysis, just took jeff's word. I'm not 99% on pass, but I got this huge signal telling me jeff is.

Is there any reason you shouldn't reveal who you protected on Night 1 (or 2, forget when)? Might help us out...

[Fouts]

?? When was I all for attacking him? When I voted for him? He wasn't on my suspect list but the fact he kept pushing an outcome without any logic behind it(unlike, I don't know, me), has me suspicious.

But that quickly changed when he outed himself.

In any case, I am soooo tired of defending myself. If and when I do die you are all going to look... less than optimal, cause I'm the only one in this game finding anything close to evidence.

Jeff, lacking a seer, its all circumstantial evidence. Not much more we can do. And yes, if you are a villager, I am retarded.

[RPI-Fan]

You have no idea how hard I'm biting my tongue :).


YOU ARE WRONG

Why the hell are you biting your tongue? No one is going to bust your balls for trying to save yourself if you're a Villager OR an Outlaw.

[jeff061]

The "evidence" is that you were quiet the first half of the game, and when it is necessary for the Outlaws to make a push because the Villagers are getting momentum, you step up and put up "smart" flawed logic.

I was still getting over the previous werewolf game. Whatever screw this, I wish you guys had voted me today. If you start tomorrow I'm not going to say a word.

Except to rub it in afterwards.

[Fouts]

Is there any reason you shouldn't reveal who you protected on Night 1 (or 2, forget when)? Might help us out...

I won't reveal who, but I will say I wasn't successful. I don't know what they did on night 1.

[jeff061]

Why the hell are you biting your tongue? No one is going to bust your balls for trying to save yourself if you're a Villager OR an Outlaw.

Biting my tounge on less constructive criticsm :).

[RPI-Fan]

I won't reveal who, but I will say I wasn't successful. I don't know what they did on night 1.

WTF, that is weird.

Could we really be looking at 2 MOLMF????

[jeff061]

I still don't get why no one has commented/validated/disproved my earlier posts on the voting patters. Which is 10x more solid than this crap on me.

I'm sure you will if I'm out tomorrow.

How bout Shmidty and Wed/Pass just kill me tonight :D.

[RPI-Fan]

Biting my tounge on less constructive criticsm :).

Well, while you have the chance, I think you should post your "grand theory" and put everything on the table...

[jeff061]

I have three times.

If you choose to ignore it, then you should of lynched me today.

[RPI-Fan]

I have three times.

I don't get one solid opinion from you... I know you think SnDvls is an Outlaw (which has to be true given his little "move" and his lack of defense after 9pm), but not really sure what other opinions you hold at this time.

[jeff061]

???? Its was just posted on the top of this page. You bumped it.

If there are 3 Outlaws left they are
1: Sun
2: shmidty
3: Pass or Wednesday

If there are 2(I think there are 3)
1: Sun or Schmidty
2: Wednesday or Pass

I've been saying this since before we lycnhed Saldana.


I'd wish you'd argue my logic, not my conclusion. You keep doing this. On top of that I said I wouldn't fault the choice either way. Think it through for once, you know as well as I that you are dead either way. Maybe you save your own neck tonight, but then you die tomorrow night.

And of course this gets ignored. It seems you guys like dealing in absolutes. At least argue with it if you disagree with it. Its not my conclusions I'm interested in you guys commenting on, it's the logic.

[RPI-Fan]

And of course this gets ignored. It seems you guys like dealing in absolutes. At least argue with it if you disagree with it. Its not my conclusions I'm interested in you guys commenting in, it's the logic.

That statement doesn't make much sense... all it seems to mean is "If I'm right I can go back and say so, if I'm wrong I can say my logic was right."

[RPI-Fan]

Damn, N_C was viewing the thread earlier... WTF is he doing? Barkeep must be the one deciding the tie.

[jeff061]

No, it means if you guys think I'm wrong I wish you'd tell me why so I can think it over. All I get is blank stares and a vote Jeff.

[RPI-Fan]

Just want to throw this in there:

I am TOTALLY in favor of Barkeep lynching SnDvls -- don't want there to be any confusion.

[RPI-Fan]

I just noticed something... based on Fouts' Night 2 (or whenver it was) protect being unsuccessful... N_C didn't post the Night results until 9:48am that morning. Is it possible the Outlaws didn't get a kill PM'd to N_C that night? I think I'm going to go back and look if any of our current suspects made any posts that night.

[RPI-Fan]

I just noticed something... based on Fouts' Night 2 (or whenver it was) protect being unsuccessful... N_C didn't post the Night results until 9:48am that morning. Is it possible the Outlaws didn't get a kill PM'd to N_C that night? I think I'm going to go back and look if any of our current suspects made any posts that night.

saldana was on both at night and in the morning... so probably cancel that.

[Neon_Chaos]

Fouts - Passacaglia, SnDvls
SnDvls - jeff061, Fouts
Mr. Wednesday - RPI-Fan

Do I have the count correct? RPI-Fan's switch doesn't count. And Barkeep49 unvoted for Fouts early.
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[RPI-Fan]

Fouts - Passacaglia, SnDvls
SnDvls - jeff061, Fouts
Mr. Wednesday - RPI-Fan

Do I have the count correct? RPI-Fan's switch doesn't count. And Barkeep49 unvoted for Fouts early.
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I'm cool wit it.

[SnDvls]

Fouts - Passacaglia, SnDvls
SnDvls - jeff061, Fouts
Mr. Wednesday - RPI-Fan

Do I have the count correct? RPI-Fan's switch doesn't count. And Barkeep49 unvoted for Fouts early.
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yes that is correct

[SnDvls]

Just want to throw this in there:

I am TOTALLY in favor of Barkeep lynching SnDvls -- don't want there to be any confusion.


thanks for the vote of confidence :rolleyes:

[Neon_Chaos]

Fouts - Passacaglia, SnDvls
SnDvls - jeff061, Fouts
Mr. Wednesday - RPI-Fan

With RealDeal (the judge) in jail, Barkeep, being the Wealthy Baron, decides who is to be lynched today (Choose between Fouts and SnDvls).

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[Poli]

Barkeep? I thought that was bek.

[SnDvls]

Barkeep? I thought that was bek.


barkeep replaced bek

[SnDvls]

dola -

and based on his earlier response I'm a gonner. Another wrongful death. first by no water and now a lynch.

[RPI-Fan]

Notice how SnDvls has been careful to not implicate anyone else since his vote for Fouts.

[RPI-Fan]

dola -

and based on his earlier response I'm a gonner. Another wrongful death. first by no water and now a lynch.

Hell, even if you're a villager, it's not a "wrongful death". If you had posted earlier that you might or might not be able to make the vote, and would need to vote at the last minute, or had provided SOME evidence that you weren't a villager, it might be a "wrongful death". But since you did none of those things, it is totally the correct play for us villagers to lynch you, as you appear an Outlaw.

[SnDvls]

Notice how SnDvls has been careful to not implicate anyone else since his vote for Fouts.


who do I have to implicate? You who gave me info 3 mins before a vote? I've said I trusted you? Look at my comment before my vote, I though jeff was good.

I think and still do that fouts with 3 votes on him pulled the sheriff card on a slow day to do the same thing saldana did to us, period. and you all fell for it.

[RPI-Fan]

who do I have to implicate? You who gave me info 3 mins before a vote? I've said I trusted you? Look at my comment before my vote, I though jeff was good.

I think and still do that fouts with 3 votes on him pulled the sheriff card on a slow day to do the same thing saldana did to us, period. and you all fell for it.

Who do you have to implicate? ANYONE. If you were a villager you would be screaming bloody murder how it HAS to be jeff that is the Outlaw. Instead, I think you made the smart play when you were realized you're caught, and won't make us be certain that jeff should be tomorrow's target.

[SnDvls]

. If you were a villager you would be screaming bloody murder

I tried this last game, look where it got me. RealDeal denied me water. I'm burned out on it. All the villagers do in these games is fall for a quick "I'm ...fill in special role here". It's like a bad comedy sometimes all of these games read the same.

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[RPI-Fan]

I tried this last game, look where it got me. RealDeal denied me water. I'm burned out on it. All the villagers do in these games is fall for a quick "I'm ...fill in special role here". It's like a bad comedy sometimes all of these games read the same.

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Ok, Outlaw.

[SnDvls]

whatever

you are pushing hard for me to go, because you know it only helps the outlaws numbers. When we put RealDeal in jail it guaranteed a villager win.

[RPI-Fan]

whatever

you are pushing hard for me to go, because you know it only helps the outlaws numbers. When we put RealDeal in jail it guaranteed a villager win.

Right, I'm an Outlaw. You caught me!

[SnDvls]

Right, I'm an Outlaw. You caught me!

thanks for admiting it now the villagers know who to hang next.

[Neon_Chaos]

I will wait for Barkeep's deciding vote, and then decide the schedule from there-on out.

[RPI-Fan]

thanks for admiting it now the villagers know who to hang next.

Haha... that is so ridiculous. Do you really think I'm smart enough to concoct a plan to attempt a kill on myself but have myself be protected?

You're giving me too much credit, here...

[Barkeep49]

I don't think he's an outlaw, but I think that's more likely than Fouts not being the Sherrif. Therefore Vote SnDvls

[SnDvls]

I don't think he's an outlaw, but I think that's more likely than Fouts not being the Sherrif. Therefore Vote SnDvls

thanks, it's official

[SnDvls]

good job villagers, falling for another lie......






























well not really.

Dubb- nothing personal in the back and forth we did. It was part of the game and I had to.

Jeff, Fouts & RPI - I had to vote late it was dinner time here in AZ, but also to at least be active, I hate people who aren't active on these games weekend or not.

Thanks Neon it was fun.

Go Outlaws!!!

[RPI-Fan]

Jeff, Fouts & RPI - I had to vote late it was dinner time here in AZ, but also to at least be active, I hate people who aren't active on these games weekend or not.

WTF? At least own up to what you pulled -- a move. I'm not saying it's not part of the game and that you almost got our sheriff killed, but I am saying it is what it is.

[SnDvls]

WTF? At least own up to what you pulled -- a move. I'm not saying it's not part of the game and that you almost got our sheriff killed, but I am saying it is what it is.


it was a move, but it was also due to timing. it's 8:37 now the child is in bed and the wife watching the emmys. There really isn't anything more to own up to.

edit- I could have not voted or showed up and the tying vote would be between Fouts, Jeff & Mr. Wednesday, I believe

[RPI-Fan]

it was a move, but it was also due to timing. it's 8:37 now the child is in bed and the wife watching the emmys. There really isn't anything more to own up to.

edit- I could have not voted or showed up and the tying vote would be between Fouts, Jeff & Mr. Wednesday, I believe

Fair enough... good try, now hopefully we can kill the rest of dem fuckers!

[Neon_Chaos]

Fouts - Passacaglia, SnDvls
SnDvls - jeff061, Fouts
Mr. Wednesday - RPI-Fan

Barkeep49, seeing the tied vote, finally decides. He walks over to SnDvls, "I'm sorry, but I have to do this." He points to SnDvls. "Hang him."

SnDvls is silent as he is taken to the gallows. He offers up a sinister smile. "You might think you can trust each other, but you know so little! Think well before killing off someone tomorrow... heh, heh, heh, At the end, the Outlaws will win."

You kick the barrell from underneath him, and let the rope and gravity do the work.

After SnDvls dies, you search his room. Bingo, a blood stained knife. It is without a doubt, SnDvls was an Outlaw!

IT IS NOW NIGHT 7, NIGHT ACTIONS DUE AT 9AM EDT.

1. ardent enthusiast - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed by Outlaws Night 3
2. Passacaglia
3. hoopsguy - Villager, killed by Outlaws, Night 6
4. saldana - Outlaw, lynched Day 6
5. dubb93 - Witness, lynched Day 5
6. RPI-Fan
7. SackAttack - Private Investigator, killed by Wealthy Baron, Day 1
8. Barkeep49 - Wealthy Baron, role revealed Day 1
9. Mr. Wednesday
10. Lathum - Villager, killed by Outlaws, Night 2
11. Blade6119 - Man Of Loose Moral Fiber, lynched Day 3
12. pennywisesb - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed via psychic connection with ardent enthusiast, Night 3
13. jeff061
14. Fouts
15. kingfc22 - Villager, killed by Outlaws Night 5
16. SnDvls - Outlaw, lynched Day 7
17. Schmidty
18. henry296 - Villager, lynched Day 4
19. RealDeal - In Jail, imprisoned, Day 2<!-- / message --><!-- sig --><!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[RPI-Fan]

So we're 5-2, here. Not too bad, but we need to keep that leeway as we'll lose an extra villager when we get the Outlaw leader.

[RPI-Fan]

Here's where we stand:

Passacaglia: I'd like to think he's clean, but his voting is shady.
RPI-Fan: Villager, clean.
Barkeep49: Clean.
Mr. W: Would love to hear his excuse for not giving us any help this w/e, if he's a villager.
jeff061: Who knows.
Fouts: Sheriff, clean.
Schmidty: SnDevil-ish

In short: two of jeff, Schmidty, Mr. W, and Pass.

I guess let's see how tonight plays out, then move on.

[Poli]

barkeep replaced bekoops. I missed that.

[RPI-Fan]

Good night, guys. Hopefully I make through the night.

I have class at 8am tomorrow, but will be back at 10-ish. If I don't make it through the night (and I hope the Sheriff considers protecting me tonight), good luck all! My outlaw likelihook ranking is:

1. jeff -- Him and SnDvls coordinated a great little play there with jeff's "Notice how I'm not voting Fouts" comment.
2. Schmidty -- just like SnDvls.
3. Pass -- Some weird moves.
4. Mr. W -- Very quiet, but probably for legitimate reasons.

[Barkeep49]

Well I read that one wrong. Nice job to those who had fingered him!

[RealDeal]

woohoo I'm on a hot streak

[Fouts]

Nice job guys, glad we bagged another one. Well done SnDvls, you almost squeaked through, I had to act fast on that 9pm vote.

I agree with your list RPI, should one of us go down, hopefully the rest can carry the torch.

[Blade6119]

lalalalala

[Fouts]

And here was what I was waiting to say. There were two guests in this for quite a bit. At 8:55 one left and SnDvl came in. I was waiting on the other one, no luck.

This statement has me questioning whether jeff is actually an outlaw. Could he have posted that as another way to "clear" himself? Is he that sneaky? He is good, but how good?

Now I'm not 99.5% sure on his being an outlaw. He had SnDvls targeted for awhile.

Lets build a case for the other guys under the microscope. We can assign some probabilities for each person.

[jeff061]

I've now lead to the death of two outlaws and that only makes me more suspicious.

I'm am going to continue and go down the list I posted 3 times and vote Schmidty tomorrow. He is guilty for the same reason Sundvl was. I am then either going to go for Pass or Wednesday, whichever one I get the most support on. If they are innocent I'll go for the other one the next day.

This is my plan to win the game, so far all I've been is right. I doubt we will find anything to sway me from it, but if anything we should look at schmidty. Not only is he equal to Sundvl in my mind, he hasn't done himself any favors by pretty much being non-existant.

[jeff061]

1. jeff -- Him and SnDvls coordinated a great little play there with jeff's "Notice how I'm not voting Fouts" comment.

Dude, I've now pushed for the death for two Outlaws before anyone was glancing their way. I mean what the hell? Should I push for an innocent to get you off my back? What more do I have to do? Quite stunning.

Not only was I not voting Fouts, I unvoted him the second he said he was Sheriff and did not delay, I was voting for Sundvl.

Three days of Voting
1: Saldana
2: Saldana
3: Sundvl
4: Will be schmidty

[RPI-Fan]

BTW... since I think it's possible that the Outlaws didn't get their kill in time last night, I'd like to request that if they didn't have it by the deadline, it not be granted.

Us villagers had to hold to our deadline, why shouldn't the Outlaws have to hold to their's?

[Neon_Chaos]

BTW... since I think it's possible that the Outlaws didn't get their kill in time last night, I'd like to request that if they didn't have it by the deadline, it not be granted.

Us villagers had to hold to our deadline, why shouldn't the Outlaws have to hold to their's?
Except for Night(0) instructions, I have never allowed anyone (Oulaw or Villager) to exceed the timeline. And quite frankly, I'm hurt that you don't trust me to enforce the rules that I've posted.

[Passacaglia]

BTW... since I think it's possible that the Outlaws didn't get their kill in time last night, I'd like to request that if they didn't have it by the deadline, it not be granted.

Us villagers had to hold to our deadline, why shouldn't the Outlaws have to hold to their's?

I'd assume that's what NC will do.

As for our day vote, I'm sorry if I've made some weird moves. I voted for Fouts because there was a lot of suspicion on him. As I was leaving, he claimed he was the sheriff. I figured there would be another dubb-saldana style shootout, by someone else claiming to be the sheriff. Sorry about that, Fouts. Jeff is clean in my mind, so I think we have to go after Wednesday or Schmidty. Schmidty was the spawn queen last game, and spent most of it being really quiet, just like this game.

[jeff061]

I'm thinking he really just wanted a confirmation on whether the Outlaws were absent or not. If they were I think he backs off me a little :).

[Neon_Chaos]

(As a side note, I'm pretty pissed off right now.)

You all wake up in the morning, expecting a dead body. And find everyone to still be alive. What could have transpired last night? You can only think of the best for your sake.

It is now Day 8, Votes are due at 9PM EDT.

1. ardent enthusiast - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed by Outlaws Night 3
2. Passacaglia
3. hoopsguy - Villager, killed by Outlaws, Night 6
4. saldana - Outlaw, lynched Day 6
5. dubb93 - Witness, lynched Day 5
6. RPI-Fan
7. SackAttack - Private Investigator, killed by Wealthy Baron, Day 1
8. Barkeep49 - Wealthy Baron, role revealed Day 1
9. Mr. Wednesday
10. Lathum - Villager, killed by Outlaws, Night 2
11. Blade6119 - Man Of Loose Moral Fiber, lynched Day 3
12. pennywisesb - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed via psychic connection with ardent enthusiast, Night 3
13. jeff061
14. Fouts
15. kingfc22 - Villager, killed by Outlaws Night 5
16. SnDvls - Outlaw, lynched Day 7
17. Schmidty
18. henry296 - Villager, lynched Day 4
19. RealDeal - In Jail, imprisoned, Day 2<!-- / message --><!-- sig --><!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[jeff061]

1: Schmidty
2: Wednesday

going by the activity level.

Vote Schmidty

Course now people will think this is a ploy by me :rolleyes:. Assuming the Outlaws skipped a night(maybe two), pretty weak.

[RPI-Fan]

Except for Night(0) instructions, I have never allowed anyone (Oulaw or Villager) to exceed the timeline. And quite frankly, I'm hurt that you don't trust me to enforce the rules that I've posted.

I haven't played in many WW games... that's why I wasn't sure and wanted to see if there'd be a double standard.

Sorry to offend you, just wasn't familiar with the landscape.

[Passacaglia]

I'm with you, jeff. Schmidty was online yesterday, and didn't do anything. Wednesday hasn't been on for a while, so I can understand his not posting more.

[Passacaglia]

Wait, did the outlaws miss two nights?

[RPI-Fan]

Vote Schmidty

Outlaws fail to attempt a kill again? That's retarded.

I think future games should be kept more in the 10-15 people range. N_C busts his ass to run the game, and then these Outlaw fuckers can't even hold up their small end of the bargain.

[RPI-Fan]

Wait, did the outlaws miss two nights?

They missed Night(2), or somewhere around there.

[Passacaglia]

So not two consecutive nights? If so, then I would be thinking Wednesday. Then I'm with you guys.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

[jeff061]

I'm thinking it's likely both of them. If it's not then Schmidty is the last one. Only other possibilty would be if you are one Pass, and I don't see that being the case anymore.

[Neon_Chaos]

I'm willing to end this game right now. This is ridiculous.

[Neon_Chaos]

After several minutes of thinking, I have come to a decision.

I'm ending the game.

To those guys who were thouroughly active, I'm really sorry, but I can't devote time to it any more. Two unsent Outlaw killings is too much for me. Besides, it's pretty clear that Mr. Wednesday/Schmidty are busy with other things.

I don't blame anyone. Maybe the game has jumped the shark. I just feel that aside from a handful of solid players, there were a lot of things that didn't work, be it for personal reasons or something else. If there's someone I'd blame, it's myself. i really had high hopes for this game, and I probably aimed too high. Too many players, too generic roles.... bah.

I want to thank the guys who played the game well. I'm really sorry if I'm taking this away from you, but I can't really run a game when the Outlaws aren't able to send in a kill order for two nights. I've posted the deadlines in the rules in the first post, and I just hope people PM'd me if they had any problems meeting those deadlines (could easily have been negotiated).

Schmidty and Mr. W, I think, weren't able to send in PM's before the deadlines due to personal reasons. I understand, and perhaps it's my fault as well, not being able to be there on time for the votes to be counted. Bah. I guess I really screwed the pooch in running this game.

Villagers, good job in this game. You were solid in the mid-game despite the odds being against you, and practically attempting to kill off each other before you got SnDvls.

The Outlaws, I think, had this one in the bag. The Night(1) no kill hurt them big. They forgot to send in the kill order, and that hurt them. They could have won this easily if they were able to kill someone the first night, specially after the grand screw-up during the Day 1 voting. :)

Anyway... hope you guys had fun. I'm not sure if I'm ever going to run another WW game, too much time to invest and such. I will, however, gladly play again.

Player List:

1. ardent enthusiast - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed by Outlaws Night 3
2. Passacaglia - Villager
3. hoopsguy - Villager, killed by Outlaws, Night 6
4. saldana - Outlaw, lynched Day 6
5. dubb93 - Witness, lynched Day 5
6. RPI-Fan - Villager
7. SackAttack - Private Investigator, killed by Wealthy Baron, Day 1
8. Barkeep49 - Wealthy Baron, role revealed Day 1
9. Mr. Wednesday - Outlaw
10. Lathum - Villager, killed by Outlaws, Night 2
11. Blade6119 - Man Of Loose Moral Fiber, lynched Day 3
12. pennywisesb - Psychic Gypsy Twin, killed via psychic connection with ardent enthusiast, Night 3
13. jeff061 - Villager
14. Fouts - Sheriff
15. kingfc22 - Villager, killed by Outlaws Night 5
16. SnDvls - Outlaw, lynched Day 7
17. Schmidty - Outlaw Leader
18. henry296 - Villager, lynched Day 4
19. RealDeal - In Jail, imprisoned, Day 2<!-- / message --><!-- sig --><!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[jeff061]

Schmidty was around yesterday, even checked out this thread I believe, he should of gotten something in.

Anyways, can I get a "Way to go Jeff for being so damn accurate about the identities of the Outlaws, sorry about the trying to kill you thing". :).

[Passacaglia]

Way to go jeff -- but for the record, I never tried to kill you.

I hope it's not that werewolf games have jumped the shark. This is only my second one!

[Barkeep49]

Thanks for the game Neon. I had fun in the two days I was involved. I apologize for missing the voting deadline yesterday. I know how much work running a game is and wanted to give you a big shout out.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yikes, I've got 12 pages to catch up on in the thread. :eek:

Gotta go to class in 20 minutes, and I'm not sure I'll have caught up by then. I was absent for the weekend thanks to being generally busy anyway (home football game, which basically kills an entire day between tailgating before and being wiped out afterward), and my computer with a modem deciding to have the OS quit on me.

[jeff061]

heh, just read Neon's last post Wed, one day to late ;).

[Mr. Wednesday]

hoops isn't worth going after... Mr. W should be our next target, IMO.This I don't get at all. I've been 100% up-front about why I've been absent, I voted for the outlaw Saldana (twice! the second time, quite early!)... you've been after me since day 1. What's the deal?

[Passacaglia]

Where's my popcorn?

[Mr. Wednesday]

In the dubb/saldana vote, Mr. W voted saldana. That was a strategy our WW group discussed thoroughly last game (voting strategically for one of your own), so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he applied it there.&lt;boggle&gt;

So now voting for the outlaw is going to be used against me? What's the deal here? :eek:

:confused:

[jeff061]

Wednesday, read Neon's last post. We KNOW you are an outlaw ;).

[RealDeal]

Mr. W.: read above. We know you were an outlaw. NC called the game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dude, I posted while I was reading.

I had no idea that I would get screwed on trying to follow things the way I did, between general lack of time and computer failure. I should have anticipated the general lack of time due to moving, and I should have anticipated not having as much time at school as usual with family around helping out, but I underestimated both. Then the problem was compounded when I wasn't able to check in over the weekend because the computer with the modem (which has been quite unreliable of late, I've lived with it because it's not my primary computer) decided not to boot into Windows and I didn't have time to fix it.

[Schmidty]

As I said in my PM to the other outlaws and to NC, my internet and cable TV dropped dead late yesterday and wasn't up again until about 45 minutes ago. It was frustrating that there was nothing I could do about it. :(

I hope that NC does run another WW game and doesn't quit just because of something like this. Again, I apologize.

[SackAttack]

My death was in vain? Damn you, Outlaws! Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

[Poli]

Go us.

[Poli]

Barkeep, you get the rest of the tab next time. :)

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, you get the rest of the tab next time. :)
It's a deal :).

[pennywisesb]

Man jeff, you were right on that entire game. Great job. Good job villagers as well. I'm just glad I was able to be a big part of this win. ;)

Oh wait a minute....

[Fouts]

Good job villagers. And jeff, you are a psychic.

Thanks for running the game, Neon.

[RPI-Fan]

Think we can call this a full-blast victory for the villagers... good game Fouts & jeff -- sorry when it got heated, but I'm glad it worked out in the end.

[SnDvls]

congrats villagers, I tried to keep the outlaws alive, but alas it was to no avail. Don't know what happened with last night and the other 2 outlaws.(I did send a PM prior to Barkeep dropping the ax on me) I will say that we all missed the night one kill for a couple of reasons (these aren't excuses mind you). We got notified on Friday night of our roles. I thought the outlaw leader had to submit the kill info, once it wasn't done on night one I know I sent it in 2 other nights.
Anyhow, we all should have sent in the info for a kill on night one.

Neon- again I enjoied this game and hope you do more.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Think we can call this a full-blast victory for the villagers...It's either a draw or a forfeit win.

[jeff061]

Maybe. I did have the Outlaws pretty much pegged since Saturday though. Not sure what direction it would of gone if you guys had killed someone last night though, since I was having problems on the trust front :).

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm curious about why people thought I was an outlaw. I was completely honest about my reasons for being quiet (it had nothing to do with being an outlaw and everything to do with the issues that really should have led me to not sign up in the first place)... I'm usually quiet in the early going anyway, since there's nothing to go on... we didn't get an outlaw (didn't even have one on the block, really) until saldana, and I voted the "right" way on him... ?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I mean, you were right about me being an outlaw, but I didn't think I'd given you any reason to think it. :)

[jeff061]

I thought it was either you or pass because I was pretty sure the Outlaws would of snuck 1 vote in on Saldana, and everyone else was clear.

Other than that, I was only going to vote for you over Pass because it seemed it would be easier.

[saldana]

first, Neon, i thought the game was excellent, and i hope you do decide to run another one. the only problem i thought there was, was that alot of us were still in the spawn game when this one started. especially with how complex that game was, it was kind of hard to get into this one.

second, please dont take this the wrong way, but i assumed that schmidty was going to send the kill order since he was the outlaw leader on the first night...i even pm'ed him and he said he was going to do it, and for some reason never did. the last night, i was already dead, and schmidty and wednesday both have already said what happened, so nothing we all can really do about that, i dont think anyone is really to blame.

that said, we (the outlaws) should have had this game won two days ago. if we had gotten our first night kill and then either schmidty or wednesday got on to vote last night, we would have won easily, so really, the villagers only survived because of a series of screwed up situations hamstringing the outlaws.

THAT said....holy shit Jeff, i was stunned at how you had us all pegged so accurately...i honestly checked to make sure i didnt accidentally send one of my PMs to you with all our names in it. many kudos to a very well played game.

Finally (dark helmet voice)"I can't believe you fell for that...its the oldest trick in the book, oh lemme give it back to you, OH i cant believe you fell for that too." :) :)

good game til next time guys

[jeff061]

Well there was a bit of help to tighten down my initial guess. Fouts(sheriff), Barkeep(Baron) and RPI(had been attacked) were all cleared. Then you guys killed Hoop for some reason, who wasn't cleared at that time. So you take that and merge it with what turned out to be a correct voting analysis and everything works out to a pretty solid conclusion.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I thought it was either you or pass because I was pretty sure the Outlaws would of snuck 1 vote in on Saldana, and everyone else was clear.I was actually "sneaking a vote" in on Saldana on the previous pass. I figured it would be too dangerous to flip around and vote in his favor when he got accused by dubb (and I had, I thought, compounded things by actually arguing in dubb's favor when the vote was still up in the air).

On those grounds, it seemed like SnDvls and Schmidty were far more suspicious for late votes that created the situation where RPI-Fan flipped.

I guess it's not entirely clear to me why we killed Hoops instead of RPI-Fan... even though he cast the deciding vote to lynch dubb, the outcome also made it clear that dubb's story of the attack was an accurate one.

[SnDvls]

I guess it's not entirely clear to me why we killed Hoops instead of RPI-Fan... even though he cast the deciding vote to lynch dubb, the outcome also made it clear that dubb's story of the attack was an accurate one.


This was due to no one else sending in a kill to Neon on Saturday.
Saturday morning before I went to the ASU-NU game I sent in a message to Neon and cc'd all outlaws that said if you don't get another kill request I'll do it and kill hoops. That was early and no one else sent on in so he went with it otherwise we would of had 3 nights without a kill.

[SnDvls]

second, please dont take this the wrong way, but i assumed that schmidty was going to send the kill order since he was the outlaw leader on the first night...i even pm'ed him and he said he was going to do it, and for some reason never did. the last night, i was already dead, and schmidty and wednesday both have already said what happened, so nothing we all can really do about that, i dont think anyone is really to blame.


I agree here it wasn't really clear who was to submit the kill request and that might have been part of our problem, but we assumed the outlaw leader was the only one. After no kill on night one you and I started sending them in ourselves.

[hoopsguy]

Jeff, very nice work by you.

Everyone - sorry that the game went down this way. I'm sure it was equally unsatisfying for all parties involved.

I know that after Barkeep's game I really need a week or two to catch up with non-FOFC stuff. So that was definitely part of my 'bleh' play as a fill-in. I don't know how you guys that do these simultaneously do it. Not so much worrying about mixing up games, but put in the amount of time to play hard and win 2+ games at a time.

[jeff061]

Yeah, I was still recovering from Barkeep's game 2 days into this one.