WW XXIV: Treasure Hunt (GAME OVER!)

[Blade6119]

The only thing I can come up with (outside of him being a pirate) is that Blade is the Paranoid Treasure Hunter, and Barkeep asked him if he wanted to do anything about it after realizing someone was watching him.
Look at paths post...you can follow his actions or not, but he mentioned my role...No one noticed my hint about running earlier?

[Blade6119]

Why not stop beating around the bush and throw out the name of the person who killed SunDvls?
i dont know who killed sun, and if i had revealed my actual AP totals wolfs would have come after me quickly. I dont expect the other athletes to role reveal for fun either

[Vince]

Good strategy.

But I want to point out again, that I don't think mines replenish. First, it doesn't make sense because gold mines don't just grow more gold overnight. But based on the wording of the rules, I think that a mine will produce the same amount of gold on every dig to every player until the gold runs out and then it will be dead for the remainder of the game.

I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.
I think people just keep mis-using the word replenish (though Alan was using it correctly the first time). I think King means "if the site still has gold left."

Might be worth it to throw in a conditional set of orders if you find one of those 'gold mines:'

AP1-6: Dig -- if return 0 gold at any point, move XX-XX, Dig.

It would suck to waste all your APs digging on a site that is spent, and Barkeep already confirmed for me that conditional orders are allowed.

At this point, the only thing that is keeping my vote from Blade is the fact that I'm still undecided as to whether it's better to have RA in or out of jail.

[Alan T]

The only thing I can come up with (outside of him being a pirate) is that Blade is the Paranoid Treasure Hunter, and Barkeep asked him if he wanted to do anything about it after realizing someone was watching him.


The problem is , with the way Blade is playing he is leaving it up to us to "trust him" or not without any proof or any future plan of proof. Blade has already lied to us twice this game (1 time about dig amounts and 1 time saying he was a standard treasure hunter when he now is saying he isnt), and it isnt even past evening 1 yet.

My biggest issue right now is that I don't trust anyone at this point. I don't know if I believe Raiders & Penny right now, but Penny has given aparently truthful answers the two times I sent questions his way.. I think for now I'm going to

UNVOTE Raiders Army
VOTE Blade

Keep in mind, we aren't killing you or removing you from the game, but maybe some jail time will help you think about things :)

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I don't have a trusted group. I just have a list that I trust did not kill SnDvls last night.

And as far as creating some type of linkage between you and Blade, I wanted to put that out there as a reminder that you had brought up the idea of the square replentishing, which I had not seen anywhere else. Nor do I see it in the square you are listing.

When stories start to spin beyond my understanding of the facts, that sends up a red flag. The fact that you triggered a red flag while providing a story for Blade is where I drew the linkage. This doesn't mean that there really is any reason for the linkage, but that is what I saw at the time. And that I will probably be a little more sensitive going forward to play where the two of you seem to align, just as I would with Penny and Raiders.

[Vince]

...

Blade, every single game we play in, you confuse me :)

...

Josh, screw you for sweeping me in the DKBL this morning.

[Blade6119]

Keep in mind, we aren't killing you or removing you from the game, but maybe some jail time will help you think about things :)
My time in jail will only give me more time to recognize who the pirates are...i already have 3 suspects above the rest, with a 4th rising

[Alan T]

Look at paths post...you can follow his actions or not, but he mentioned my role...No one noticed my hint about running earlier?

So now you are hinting to be the athlete?

[Vince]

Well, I have to get ready for work -- I'm comfortable with jailing either Blade or RA, and as it seems that those are the two that are under the gun right now (does anyone have an updated vote tally? I'm running out of time, or I'd do it), I'm ok with leaving my vote on RA and bowing out.

Good luck tonight guys.

[path12]

So now you are hinting to be the athlete?

More than hinting, it seems to me. But all the pirates have the same trait (fleet of foot).

[KWhit]

i dont know who killed sun, and if i had revealed my actual AP totals wolfs would have come after me quickly. I dont expect the other athletes to role reveal for fun either
Ummm.... Being an athlete doesn't explain what you did yesterday. If you had 5 AP, you were lying about 2 actions that are unnaccounted for in your earlier post. But if you're the athlete, you actually have 3 unnaccounted for actions, so it just makes your lie bigger.

Vote Blade6119.

[Poli]

My thoughts:

Raiders Army, pennywisesb are gold in my mind. I don't get what all RA is saying, but the PM verification seals it for me. I think it's way too early for a wolf/pirate/whatever to vouch for another. It's a setup for failure if that's the case.

Saldana is on my good side, as are the others such as kwhit et al. that vouched for each other. I'm trying not to hold silence against anyone. The rules of the game are definitely restraining me. I still don't feel I have a good foothold on what I'm doing.

While my obligatory vote for Schmidty stands, I do think Blade is hiding something. I try not to factor previous games into the mix, though I do factor in experience in these games. Blade took a role that was designed to be independent and went completely into left field with it in the last game. I have no idea what he's up to, but it seems to me every time he does this kind of stuff (being shady, shifty, whatever), he's been a villager (or whatever title we have at the time). Last game he wasn't even a survivor and still felt compelled to help them.

[Alan T]

More than hinting, it seems to me. But all the pirates have the same trait (fleet of foot).

Well the reason this seems puzzling to me is... he only dug once apparently, he didn't travel far, yet now claims to be able to move faster/further than the rest of us.

So now its not 2 movement AP that are uncounted for, but instead its 3? I think in some ways, that just makes it worse.

[Alan T]

Ummm.... Being an athlete doesn't explain what you did yesterday. If you had 5 AP, you were lying about 2 actions that are unnaccounted for in your earlier post. But if you're the athlete, you actually have 3 unnaccounted for actions, so it just makes your lie bigger.

Vote Blade6119.

You beat me to my arguement that I was trying to drag out! :)

[Blade6119]

More than hinting, it seems to me. But all the pirates have the same trait (fleet of foot).
wow, so first i picked a square adjacent to his death scene, and claim to know where he actually died and not where it says he did...then i hint that im an athlete, the only role that shares traits with pirates....sweet jesus, do you think me a complete idiot? I know i messed up with the digs, sorry to lie....but if you look at past games i do it quite often, regardless of alliance

[KWhit]

More than hinting, it seems to me. But all the pirates have the same trait (fleet of foot).
I'm pretty sure Blade screwed up again. He posted the athlete reveal in order to explain something that we didn't even know about!! We had no idea that he could move an extra space or get an extra AP, but he came out with a reveal that explains it - but doesn't explain what he did in the 2 APs that he lied about before.

I'm almost positive he's a pirate at this point.

[Blade6119]

Ummm.... Being an athlete doesn't explain what you did yesterday. If you had 5 AP, you were lying about 2 actions that are unnaccounted for in your earlier post. But if you're the athlete, you actually have 3 unnaccounted for actions, so it just makes your lie bigger.

Vote Blade6119.
I did not use my fleet of foot yesterday,

[Poli]

I'm pretty sure Blade screwed up again. He posted the athlete reveal in order to explain something that we didn't even know about!! We had no idea that he could move an extra space or get an extra AP, but he came out with a reveal that explains it - but doesn't explain what he did in the 2 APs that he lied about before.

I'm almost positive he's a pirate at this point.My head's starting to hurt again. I'm going to have to read up on blade it looks like.

[kingfc22]

I think people just keep mis-using the word replenish (though Alan was using it correctly the first time). I think King means "if the site still has gold left."

Might be worth it to throw in a conditional set of orders if you find one of those 'gold mines:'

AP1-6: Dig -- if return 0 gold at any point, move XX-XX, Dig.

It would suck to waste all your APs digging on a site that is spent, and Barkeep already confirmed for me that conditional orders are allowed.

At this point, the only thing that is keeping my vote from Blade is the fact that I'm still undecided as to whether it's better to have RA in or out of jail.
Great idea about the conditional orders. Also, I'm playing my plan under the assumption that at least a few of these squares are LOADED. Especially since Barkeep set the bar at 100 and 125 for the Pirates.

As far as prison goes, let's just say we don't lock up a pirate. It will cost us 11 gp to find out his role and free him. Seems like a steep cost and right now are two main supects are players who supposedly have roles on our side. So not only will we not be locking up a pirate today, but we will be losing 10% of what we need to win.

I'm leaning more and more to having a few people watch and while the rest dig. The trick is how to do this effectively and I think I already mentioned how to do this.

[Alan T]

wow, so first i picked a square adjacent to his death scene, and claim to know where he actually died and not where it says he did...then i hint that im an athlete, the only role that shares traits with pirates....sweet jesus, do you think me a complete idiot? I know i messed up with the digs, sorry to lie....but if you look at past games i do it quite often, regardless of alliance

Your not being vouched for somewhere else is what put you on my initial target list of 6-8 people. Your story about how you used your turns and then coming out later as being found out in a lie convinced me it was enough to move a vote to you from Raiders. Your coming out of a role after saying you wern't going to role reveal this early didn't help me any. Coming out with a role that really doesn't tell me what you did makes it worse.. but its the 2 (or now 3) uncounted for APs that convince me you are the right vote for today.

[kingfc22]

dola just read Blade's latest post and I'm not sure he is good anymore.

[hoopsguy]

VOTE BLADE6119

I think that he is a more likely wolf than Raiders. I would expect that we will spend the 4 GP to verify his role.

Also, just putting out a friendly reminder for people to put money into the bank and create wills in the event of something happening this evening. I don't want the pirates picking up on a villager who has found a good spot (have a couple of ideas on this already, but I don't see a reason to expand on this) contribute too much to the pirate fund.

[Blade6119]

Ill be back late tonight, jail away...but it looks like we have a set of wolves developing against myself(and raiders...odd the same people called him out)....So when i die clean, go after people like hoops, kwhit, and path....and as of now i am really starting to trust alan and king....dont make a mistake, best of luck in the rest of the game. Toss me a PM when you die raiders, we can vent together

[Alan T]

Great idea about the conditional orders. Also, I'm playing my plan under the assumption that at least a few of these squares are LOADED. Especially since Barkeep set the bar at 100 and 125 for the Pirates.

As far as prison goes, let's just say we don't lock up a pirate. It will cost us 11 gp to find out his role and free him. Seems like a steep cost and right now are two main supects are players who supposedly have roles on our side. So not only will we not be locking up a pirate today, but we will be losing 10% of what we need to win.

I'm leaning more and more to having a few people watch and while the rest dig. The trick is how to do this effectively and I think I already mentioned how to do this.

I'm tossing ideas in my head at what the most effective method of handling this is.. I think the role reveals are more important to me than the bailing out. Finding out if someone lied or not about their role helps create trust circles which can also sometimes clear or incriminate others. it can also help us decide who is best to approach about developing a monopoly. Just because we find out that we mistakenly jailed a fellow miner, does not mean they have to be bailed out that very turn if for some reason we can't/do not want.

[Alan T]

VOTE BLADE6119

I think that he is a more likely wolf than Raiders. I would expect that we will spend the 4 GP to verify his role.

Also, just putting out a friendly reminder for people to put money into the bank and create wills in the event of something happening this evening. I don't want the pirates picking up on a villager who has found a good spot (have a couple of ideas on this already, but I don't see a reason to expand on this) contribute too much to the pirate fund.

I asked barkeep earlier, but he hasnt responded. Do you know if we can put money in the bank during the evening without using a turn? or can that only be done as a turn in the morning?

[KWhit]

I did not use my fleet of foot yesterday,
Why would you not use it? It doesn't run out after two uses or anything like that. Why would you not take advantage of what amounts to an extra AP?????

[Alan T]

Ill be back late tonight, jail away...but it looks like we have a set of wolves developing against myself(and raiders...odd the same people called him out)....So when i die clean, go after people like hoops, kwhit, and path....and as of now i am really starting to trust alan and king....dont make a mistake, best of luck in the rest of the game. Toss me a PM when you die raiders, we can vent together


Just out of curiosity why do you trust me and not kwhit, or vice versa? Since we said basically the exact same things at about the same time almost the entire day? Now I feel like you are trying to throw a smoke screen.

[Alan T]

Why would you not use it? It doesn't run out after two uses or anything like that. Why would you not take advantage of what amounts to an extra AP?????

I can think of a reason.

Can someone come up with how many APs it would take to go out there, kill Sndvls and get back to C-5 to dig?

[KWhit]

Ill be back late tonight, jail away...but it looks like we have a set of wolves developing against myself(and raiders...odd the same people called him out)....So when i die clean, go after people like hoops, kwhit, and path....and as of now i am really starting to trust alan and king....dont make a mistake, best of luck in the rest of the game. Toss me a PM when you die raiders, we can vent together
I love it. You're caught in a lie. You haven't given us any reason to think you're a TH and yet the people who are pushing for jailing you are prime suspects? No, we're just going after the ONLY person who has done ANYTHING suspicious at this point.

[Qwikshot]

Athlete (Treasure Hunter)
Fleet of Foot Trait: Once per Morning Cycle this player may move the equivalent of two AP with one move action

Is it me or is fleet of foot a one time thing....?

Blade and RA in the same region, with lies and damn lies....curious...I would assume that the pirate would have to be in the vicinity of Sndvls to kill him.

[kingfc22]

I asked barkeep earlier, but he hasnt responded. Do you know if we can put money in the bank during the evening without using a turn? or can that only be done as a turn in the morning?I think we have to travel (1 AP) to the bank. I would hope that we would not waste the trip this early in the game especially if you only have 1 or 2 GP's. I think that AP has better uses at this point in the game. Also, if the Pirates can kill us on D5 I think it would be a bad idea to make such a predictable move.

[Alan T]

Is it me or is fleet of foot a one time thing....?

Blade and RA in the same region, with lies and damn lies....curious...I would assume that the pirate would have to be in the vicinity of Sndvls to kill him.


Its once per morning period. That says to me its reusable every day.

[KWhit]

Is it me or is fleet of foot a one time thing....?

Blade and RA in the same region, with lies and damn lies....curious...I would assume that the pirate would have to be in the vicinity of Sndvls to kill him.
I read it as fleet of foot can be used once a day every day.

[kingfc22]

VOTE BLADE

I just don't buy it. Now we just have to figure out how to get someone 4 GP and safely to D4 with someone watching as well.

[KWhit]

Alan - You and I are like the same person in this thread.

Kind of scary. I hope you're a TH.


:)

[Qwikshot]

Once per morning...why not say /every/ morning...I mean...you can only go out in mornings anyway, unless you camp out....

[Qwikshot]

VOTE BLADE

I just don't buy it. Now we just have to figure out how to get someone 4 GP and safely to D4 with someone watching as well.

Didnt we all return to D4?

[Alan T]

I can think of a reason.

Can someone come up with how many APs it would take to go out there, kill Sndvls and get back to C-5 to dig?

One possible movement possibility would be:

AP1: Watch Sndvls (according to rules you auto-follow them?) moves him from D4 -> C5
AP2: Watch Sndvls again, moves him from C5-> B6
AP3: kill action
AP4: move B6 -> C5
AP5: Dig.

If he does have fleet of foot, he could also do a hide between AP3 and AP4.

I think Blade had the opportunity to do the crime, and has some evidence against him. Enough for a warrant at least.

[KWhit]

I can think of a reason.

Can someone come up with how many APs it would take to go out there, kill Sndvls and get back to C-5 to dig?
AP 1: Move to C5
AP 2: Move to B6 (since that's sndvls was found)
AP 3: Kill Sndvls
AP 4: Move to C5
AP 5: Dig

But we don't even know that he dug for sure, right? And he could have used Fleet of Foot and just be lying about it.

[Alan T]

Didnt we all return to D4?

My understanding is unless you camp out, you return to D4 after every morning.

[path12]

Ill be back late tonight, jail away...but it looks like we have a set of wolves developing against myself(and raiders...odd the same people called him out)....So when i die clean, go after people like hoops, kwhit, and path....and as of now i am really starting to trust alan and king....dont make a mistake, best of luck in the rest of the game. Toss me a PM when you die raiders, we can vent together

Typical. We vote for you, so that means we're pirates, even though it's you who are lying and STILL not coming clean with us as to what the hell was going on.

Blade, I respect your ability in these games and have learned a lot from you in the short time I've been playing, but it comes down to this -- if you're going to be evasive and not help the treasure hunters, you're too damn good at this to leave out of jail.

[KWhit]

Heh.

[Alan T]

Alan - You and I are like the same person in this thread.

Kind of scary. I hope you're a TH.


:)


Well its making me feel a bit more trust for you as it seems you are following the same lines of thought as I have been so far.. Which I think is a decent one for THs to follow. :)

[KWhit]

Well its making me feel a bit more trust for you as it seems you are following the same lines of thought as I have been so far.. Which I think is a decent one for THs to follow. :)
Carry the torch for me while I'm gone. I gotta run, but will be back in a few hours.

Later, guys.

[Poli]

Anyone got a vote count?

[kingfc22]

Didnt we all return to D4?Sorry, meant C4 (police station)

[kingfc22]

I just don't buy it. Now we just have to figure out how to get someone 4 GP and safely to C4 with someone watching as well.
This is how my post should have read. Sorry for the confusion.

[hoopsguy]

Move (1)
Move (2)
Hide (3)
Kill (4)
Dig (5)

But this argument does not make Blade the pirate killer.

I don't understand Blade right now, but I want him on my side. Since he is behaving erratic (even by Blade standards) I think we jail him and then pay for the reveal. As mentioned earlier, we can then determine the relative value of paying for his return to the fold.

To the best of our knowledge, men do not die in jail. So his morbid messages about sending post-game PMs to Raiders don't wash with me either.

Blade is always suspicious of me - every game - so telling people to watch me closely doesn't bother me in the least. If you are a treasure hunter please watch me dig. If you are a pirate please watch me hide.

[Qwikshot]

unvote Raiders
vote Blade

Makes sense to me...but I think we should continue to keep an eye on GreenhornArmy

[Alan T]

Anyone got a vote count?
(300) Grammaticus Votes king (1)
(302) Vince votes blade (1)
(304) Vince UNVOTES blade (0)
(304) Vince votes Raiders army (1)
(315) Qwikshot votes Blade (1)
(333) ardent votes Schmidty (1)
(334) Alan votes Raiders army (2)
(351) Penny votes Raiders Army (3)
(352) Hoops votes Raiders army (4)
(353) Saldana votes Raiders army (5)
(354) Qwikshot UNVOTES Blade (0)
(354) Qwikshot votes Raiders Army (6)
(357) Kwhit votes Raiders Army (7)
(363) Schmidty votes Raiders Army (8)
(366) Kwhite UNVOTES Raiders Army (7)
(374) penny UNVOTES Raiders Army (6)
(447) Hoops UNVOTES Raiders Army (5)
(500) path votes Blade (1)
(504) Alan UNVOTES Raiders Army (4)
(504) Alan votes Blade (2)
(511) Kwhit votes Blade (3)
(522) hoops votes Blade (4)
(534) King votes Blade (5)


Which by my count makes it Blade 5, Raiders 4, Schmidty 1, King 1

On another note, does anyone find it odd or ironic or something that Vince voted for (accidentally at first) both of the two people who later would be the controversial discussions of today before the controversy happened?

[pennywisesb]

I think this is self explanatory: Vote Blade

I read the fleet of foot action as being able to use it once per day. Its not just a one time feature as far as I can tell.

[Alan T]

On another note, does anyone find it odd or ironic or something that Vince voted for (accidentally at first) both of the two people who later would be the controversial discussions of today before the controversy happened?


I think my head is running a bit too suspicious right now. Now I'm wondering about Vince being a pirate getting an early vote in on a fellow pirate for later "proof of being good" and not sure which pirate to choose. Now I want to feel that Vince, Penny, Blade, Raiders are all pirates together. I think I'm getting a little ahead of myself now :)

Lets focus on just blade for now and take it from there. Time for me to get a drink, back later!

[TazFTW]

After quickly catching up on 5 pages of posts, I just wanted to say that I did not mention where I went because at the time people weren't posting where they went. I went to the jungle in the NW. I figured with my questions about the mountains that I should stay away from them in case a pirate decided to follow.

With Blade acting weirder than usual.

VOTE BLADE

[hoopsguy]

Alan, I hope you live long and prosper in this game if only to continue to provide the vote totals :) Unless, of course, you are playing a sneaky pirate game.

When I get home tonight I'll begin work on an initial trust list. I think it is going to be pretty hard to build this over the next couple of days because the pirate kill can rotate but if we are able to get role reveals then we can start to use voting records as part of the trust building process.

[Poli]

Thanks for the vote count. I'm comfortable keeping my vote on Schmidty since the person I thought needed to go to jail, blade, appears to be headed that way.

[path12]

But this argument does not make Blade the pirate killer.

I don't understand Blade right now, but I want him on my side. Since he is behaving erratic (even by Blade standards) I think we jail him and then pay for the reveal. As mentioned earlier, we can then determine the relative value of paying for his return to the fold.

To the best of our knowledge, men do not die in jail. So his morbid messages about sending post-game PMs to Raiders don't wash with me either.

Blade is always suspicious of me - every game - so telling people to watch me closely doesn't bother me in the least. If you are a treasure hunter please watch me dig. If you are a pirate please watch me hide.

I'd like to think he is also. But what keeps running through my head is that if someone else had been caught in a similar type of lie, Blade would be the first one yelling "Wolfie Wolfington from Wolftown, USA!"

[hoopsguy]

Alan, don't let me catch you with grog as your drink of choice ...

I'm definitely trying to work through scenarios right now if Blade is a pirate but I keep reminding myself that it doesn't make sense to go too far down that path quite yet. If he is a pirate then we should learn that quickly enough and then start constructing scenarios with better information.

Here is a question that I think could yield some interesting information:

Blade, Raiders - if you end up jailed tonight, who would you like to have as the treasure hunter to work with the police to validate your role?

[Vince]

Ok, final thought before I'm out for good -- whoever pays for the role-reveal is getting the information in a PM. Therefore, whoever does this is going to be inherently under suspicion anyways, since we can't corroborate the fact, and there really aren't any groups of trust out there. Also, it sounds like no one has enough gold to take it upon themselves to do this...how are we going to coordinate a role reveal and keep the revealer safe? Assume that the threat of having the person watched will keep the Pirates away from someone who has a decent amount of gold (for this early in the game, anyways)?

[kingfc22]

Ok, final thought before I'm out for good -- whoever pays for the role-reveal is getting the information in a PM. Therefore, whoever does this is going to be inherently under suspicion anyways, since we can't corroborate the fact, and there really aren't any groups of trust out there. Also, it sounds like no one has enough gold to take it upon themselves to do this...how are we going to coordinate a role reveal and keep the revealer safe? Assume that the threat of having the person watched will keep the Pirates away from someone who has a decent amount of gold (for this early in the game, anyways)?We need to use Mike's messaging service to do this somewhat safely.

Player A tells player B he will give him x amount of gold.
Player B tells player C to watch him move to C4

Of course, how do we get 3 people who have the GP to make this happen is another story.

[path12]

Ok, final thought before I'm out for good -- whoever pays for the role-reveal is getting the information in a PM. Therefore, whoever does this is going to be inherently under suspicion anyways, since we can't corroborate the fact, and there really aren't any groups of trust out there. Also, it sounds like no one has enough gold to take it upon themselves to do this...how are we going to coordinate a role reveal and keep the revealer safe? Assume that the threat of having the person watched will keep the Pirates away from someone who has a decent amount of gold (for this early in the game, anyways)?

It seems to me that it'd be the best role for the paranoid TH, since they know they're being watched and automatically hide after the first follow (if I understand correctly). Does that make sense?

But let me stress -- I don't think we need any more role reveals at this point. We're making it easy enough for the pirates as it is.

[path12]

We need to use Mike's messaging service to do this somewhat safely.

Player A tells player B he will give him x amount of gold.
Player B tells player C to watch him move to C4

Of course, how do we get 3 people who have the GP to make this happen is another story.

This works better than my above post. Never mind. :)

[Poli]

This vote is essentially useless, and has been on Schmidty long enough.

Unvote Schmidty

[Alan T]

Ok, final thought before I'm out for good -- whoever pays for the role-reveal is getting the information in a PM. Therefore, whoever does this is going to be inherently under suspicion anyways, since we can't corroborate the fact, and there really aren't any groups of trust out there. Also, it sounds like no one has enough gold to take it upon themselves to do this...how are we going to coordinate a role reveal and keep the revealer safe? Assume that the threat of having the person watched will keep the Pirates away from someone who has a decent amount of gold (for this early in the game, anyways)?


Don't we bribe/pay cops for stuff in the evening time when its safe? The person doing it would I assume get the PM by morning cycle and be able to state anything before they could possibly get killed.

At least I assumed the cop payments happened in the same turn buying everything else in town did?

[kingfc22]

Don't we bribe/pay cops for stuff in the evening time when its safe? The person doing it would I assume get the PM by morning cycle and be able to state anything before they could possibly get killed.

At least I assumed the cop payments happened in the same turn buying everything else in town did?I assumed that all services had to be done in the morning.

[Alan T]

I assumed that all services had to be done in the morning.

Time for me to reread the rules for the 73rd time! :)

[Poli]

You and me both.

[Alan T]

ok, dont see anything in the rules for when it is, but I need to run for real now. I'll be back later. Right now I have the vote total as: Blade 8, Raiders 3, King 1.

[Raiders Army]

Ill be back late tonight, jail away...but it looks like we have a set of wolves developing against myself(and raiders...odd the same people called him out)....So when i die clean, go after people like hoops, kwhit, and path....and as of now i am really starting to trust alan and king....dont make a mistake, best of luck in the rest of the game. Toss me a PM when you die raiders, we can vent together
I'm not voting for you. What I don't understand is that if Blade is a pirate, then why would he back off of me when the heat was coming my way? His actions don't indicate that he's a bad guy.

If I were a pirate, I would've pushed hard for myself, and now it seems, Blade.

[Raiders Army]

VOTE QWIKSHOT

Both he and Vince began the Blade vote, unvoted, voted me. They're suspicious in my mind.

[Qwikshot]

VOTE QWIKSHOT

Both he and Vince began the Blade vote, unvoted, voted me. They're suspicious in my mind.

You are so goin' down pirate...you and sporkhead in the same vicinity as deadboy...you guilty and you goin' down.

[Poli]

hmmm

[hoopsguy]

The buy action is listed with the other actions and indicates that you need to be in the proper location to use it. So it sounds like a daytime action to me.

Votes and auctions are night actions. We don't have any movement points at night, so I don't see how we could visit other squares. And I'm not sure that a bank would be open.

But only Barkeep knows how business runs on Blahoop.

Raiders, there was plenty of time to come back around on you later if you are playing the role of a pirate. The pirates have the luxury of sitting back if one of their own is not at risk. I don't know if Blade is or is not a pirate.

I'm open for other candidates, but I would want to have some basis for voting for them. If you have any reason to believe the story that Blade is putting out there I would like to hear it.

Remember, the person who gets the most votes today is not going to die. And there is a strong chance they will be back in the game if they are verified as a treasure hunter.

In the event that Blade is revealed to be a pirate, I'll be looking harder at the back half of the people voting for him than the front half. Assuming that it turns out to be a one-sided vote and not a close vote. If it is a close vote then the swing voters get more trust because of the pivotal nature of their votes.

I feel like we have more to work with on Day 1 (OK, this is Night 1) than we have had in quite some time.

[Raiders Army]

Very true hoops. I can't help but think that Blade is a good guy because he was one of the first to believe me. If he were a pirate, then why would he believe me so easily?

Also I admit I have some of last game still in me, so I have a tendency to believe him, and it may be the same with him as well.

Qwik, on the other hand, didn't seem to want to accept the fact that I'm a treasure hunter. That leads me to believe that he's a pirate.

[Qwikshot]

Very true hoops. I can't help but think that Blade is a good guy because he was one of the first to believe me. If he were a pirate, then why would he believe me so easily?

Also I admit I have some of last game still in me, so I have a tendency to believe him, and it may be the same with him as well.

Qwik, on the other hand, didn't seem to want to accept the fact that I'm a treasure hunter. That leads me to believe that he's a pirate.

Eh, Did I not unvote you? Wasn't my initial vote for Blade? Did I not catch you in a lie, several times, which brought forth distrust? Yea, you lash back and vote for me...ME, as a pirate...laughable...I wasn't near deadboy, I vouched for those greenhorns near me, I cannot vouch for you...then you go spillin beans, revealing your true job, yet you didn't witness deadboy or sporkman or the /third/ man.

Voting for me, just shows that you lack the capacity to figure things out, you 're off the hook fer now cos Sporkman is kooky and acting funnier than he usually was...

Y'u coulda voted for anyone, but you hit me, because I was the one to speak up, catch you in lies...ain't no one dead near me boy...pick yer poison, feel free to pick me if you like, but shows desperation, I can smell it...on y'u an sporky...

[Raiders Army]

Did I not catch you in a lie, several times, which brought forth distrust?
When did I lie? You're lying that I lied. I have not lied in this game whatsoever.

[Qwikshot]

When did I lie? You're lying that I lied. I have not lied in this game whatsoever.

That you used roads m'boy...you also stated the way you went, but then you said that Bar sent you diagonally...that's two, I'll check back and see if there are a few more...

[Desnudo]

Which one is sporkboy again? Although I like the idea of butterknife in jail, I think you may have the perfect cover for a pirate, old man.

Has anyone else done the math that we can find out everyone's role for ~60 GP (4 GP * 15)? Other things equal, of course. The price will probably be much lower in the end. The only difficulty is establishing the trust in someone to be responsible for doing the viewing.

[Blade6119]

Id reccomend you guys give the gold to king, i think he is quite trustworthy...or raiders, i believe him about his role. I can reccomend not giving it to hoops or path...and im off to dinner etc...anyone else need anything before you jail me? And he died in C6, not B6...but what do i know

[Qwikshot]

Which one is sporkboy again? Although I like the idea of butterknife in jail, I think you may have the perfect cover for a pirate, old man.

Has anyone else done the math that we can find out everyone's role for ~60 GP (4 GP * 15)? Other things equal, of course. The price will probably be much lower in the end. The only difficulty is establishing the trust in someone to be responsible for doing the viewing.

fine...be more than happy to donate to the figure out who's who fund...ain't no pirate...just a lot of stupids round these parts...

[Desnudo]

Two things I think I think:

1. RA is clear. Why? Because if I were the real investigator I woud come forward at this point and nail him and path. Giving yourself up for one pirate is not worth it, but two at one time? Definitely.

2. I think we need to agree on a way to establish trust groups.

[Desnudo]

Only hole in #1 is if Sndvls was the real investigator.

[Blade6119]

Oh, i havent missed a vote in a long time, so as most likely my final act as a talented long distance runner

VOTE VINCE

With nods to hoops and kwhit, he was my vote this morning, he pushed raiders and i to reveal our roles, and then backed off a bit more then others...

[Poli]

I'd be happy to contribute to the cause to find out who's who.

[Qwikshot]

Only hole in #1 is if Sndvls was the real investigator.

Well...why would the investigator reveal himself if he can be utilized later? And sporky seems to be playing the martyr card rather thick...but if you wanna vote me, go ahead...been in the brig b'fore for drunkeness...

[Raiders Army]

That you used roads m'boy...you also stated the way you went, but then you said that Bar sent you diagonally...that's two, I'll check back and see if there are a few more...
Why are you talking like a pirate?

Anyhow, I never lied. What I said was what I believed to be true...and how is that two lies?

[Raiders Army]

Well...why would the investigator reveal himself if he can be utilized later? And sporky seems to be playing the martyr card rather thick...but if you wanna vote me, go ahead...been in the brig b'fore for drunkeness...
I already told you why I revealed myself. I seem to be repeating myself to you, so I'm almost out of patience talking to you. If you're going to come up with arguments, at least counter the statements I make instead of patently ignoring them.

[path12]

Two things I think I think:

1. RA is clear. Why? Because if I were the real investigator I woud come forward at this point and nail him and path. Giving yourself up for one pirate is not worth it, but two at one time? Definitely.

2. I think we need to agree on a way to establish trust groups.

Um....just to clear up point 1, I believe you mean Penny, not path. I've already got Blade pointing at me since pointing out his lies......including the one that I was pushing on Raiders. Blade, if you go back you'll see that I never voted for or said anything other than I was going to wait and see on Raiders. But you go right ahead and continue to spout bullshit.......at least I know I went in the opposite way of you and Sun this morning.

[Qwikshot]

I already told you why I revealed myself. I seem to be repeating myself to you, so I'm almost out of patience talking to you. If you're going to come up with arguments, at least counter the statements I make instead of patently ignoring them.

Ignore them then...I could care less...

[path12]

Has anyone else done the math that we can find out everyone's role for ~60 GP (4 GP * 15)? Other things equal, of course. The price will probably be much lower in the end. The only difficulty is establishing the trust in someone to be responsible for doing the viewing.

I'd be up for this also.

[Qwikshot]

I already told you why I revealed myself. I seem to be repeating myself to you, so I'm almost out of patience talking to you. If you're going to come up with arguments, at least counter the statements I make instead of patently ignoring them.

You revealed yourself after getting so mixed up that you had to, it still doesn't prove that you are who you say you are, and you basically wasted it anyway without ever making use of your skills if it is who you say you are...dead or alive you live another day out of the brig, make the most of it...attacking me ain't gonna help. Why don't you put yer'self to good use and find a real pirate over one that supposidly talks like a pirate, you must be an expert in pirate speak...

[Desnudo]

Well...why would the investigator reveal himself if he can be utilized later? And sporky seems to be playing the martyr card rather thick...but if you wanna vote me, go ahead...been in the brig b'fore for drunkeness...

Because we can catch two pirates on day/night/whatever this is one? RA and Penny (sorry Path). That would nearly guarantee a win for the THs. You'd be silly not to reveal yourself.

[Desnudo]

If you meant RA, I have no idea.

[Desnudo]

Ok

Vote Raiders Army

I think a confirmation here would help a lot towards building a trust group.

[Qwikshot]

Because we can catch two pirates on day/night/whatever this is one? RA and Penny (sorry Path). That would nearly guarantee a win for the THs. You'd be silly not to reveal yourself.

Blade is getting the brig tonight lest there be a change. Greenhornarmy just came outta nowhere 'cusin me of being pirate, then he's tired of d'fendin himself, yet...my vote is on Blade...so damned if I know, I find it amusing.

Here's what I know...

RaidersArmy, Blade, and Sundvls were all in the same vicinity SOUTHWEST...Blade states he saw 3 people, but no idea who.

Hoops, Vince, Kwhit, Des, king, path and myself were SOUTHEAST

AE and Saldana vouch for each other in the NORTHEAST

Penny and Alan T vouch for the NORTHWEST

Taz, Schmidy I don't recall...

Now the SE contigent doesn't mean were all clean, just means were not involved directly in Sun's death...I say start with those in the area of Sun...you go from there...

[Barkeep49]

Shady comes in as the evening draws to a close and people are getting tired. 3 GP? What a steal. Path, you my man, are one lucky bloke. This necklace is going to impress all your friends and neighbors. Congrats.

Path now has a necklace as a small item.

Shortly after Shady slips out, perhaps even suspiciously so, the police arrive.

"So who is the murder?" Fingers point all which ways the police try to count but grow increasingly frustrated. "We'll have to have you write it down."

When they write it down the following has been established:
Raiders (4)
Qwik (1)
Vince (1)
Blade (8)
King (1)

"Well Mr. Blade, if that's your real name. Please come with us. Now that he's out of the way I'm sure all the suspicous activity on the island will cease. Please enjoy your time here."

Ok I am now officiallly late for my meeting. Had no time to do anything but count posts and answer 1 or 2 PMs. Any questions should be reposted if urgent. I will be around again in an hour or so.

Morning Cycle Deadline is 11 PM Eastern.

[hoopsguy]

Desnudo, do we want to spent 11 GP to get that trust and then free the investigator? Or take a shot at someone we think might be a pirate.

If we jail Blade, and he is a pirate, then we leave him in there. 4 GP spent to start generating a trust list - at least as much of one as we get with Raiders in the event of a runaway vote for either.

If we jail Blade and a reveal (4 GP) shows that he is the athlete, as he indicates, then we discuss the merits of freeing him for another 7 GP.

Or is the idea of a trust list intended to get information on Pennywise? Because I can buy this a little bit more ... except that he could have received the 2nd PM as a pirate just as easily as he could have as a TH. And that tying himself to the investigator, after the investigator gave him the opening, would be a terrific way to gain trust for a few days.

[Desnudo]

Wasn't the deadline in an hour? Bling bling Path. So who should we nominate as the trust guy to get the skinny on Blade? I offer a 1 gp donation.

[Desnudo]

Desnudo, do we want to spent 11 GP to get that trust and then free the investigator? Or take a shot at someone we think might be a pirate.

If we jail Blade, and he is a pirate, then we leave him in there. 4 GP spent to start generating a trust list - at least as much of one as we get with Raiders in the event of a runaway vote for either.

If we jail Blade and a reveal (4 GP) shows that he is the athlete, as he indicates, then we discuss the merits of freeing him for another 7 GP.

Or is the idea of a trust list intended to get information on Pennywise? Because I can buy this a little bit more ... except that he could have received the 2nd PM as a pirate just as easily as he could have as a TH. And that tying himself to the investigator, after the investigator gave him the opening, would be a terrific way to gain trust for a few days.

I felt we would get more info from validating RA than Blade. There was a lot of pushing and pulling going on with RA that would look interesting if he did turn out to be the investigator. I'm also not 100% convinced that Sundvls was not the investigator and the pirates chose to leverage what they learned after killing him.

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, I was hoping to do this during the evening cycle as stated in the rules. It is public knowledge who is passing money at that point in the game.

So going with Blade's responses to who he wants to view him:

Please View Me: King, Raiders

Keep Away: Hoops, Path

I'm obviously more comfortable with my own role than anyone else, but the same is true for every treasure hunter on the island. I've got half a mind to recommend someone who hasn't appeared even once in his posts as the person to view him just to avoid any kind of mind games he might be playing.

Taking myself off the list, here would be people that I would put out there as my top 3 to view Blade:
#1: Qwikshot - Blade mentioned him less than me, path, and KWhit
#2: Ardent Enthusiast - in the thread right now (as are my other two candidates), zero mention in Blade PMs today that I recall
#3: KWhit - vocal against Blade, don't think it was a two man act if Blade is pirate

[Qwikshot]

I got 2 pieces I'd be willing to give up..

[hoopsguy]

Also, on the Qwikshot mention above, I meant to include Vince in that list with me, Path, and KWhit. Those are the people that I know started to the SE so I consider them less likely to be pirates since it is harder to conceive they used the knife to kill SnDvls. That is my starting group for slot #1

[Poli]

How much is needed? I can contribute and/or do the viewing.

[hoopsguy]

4 GP is required for the viewing.

Now that we are in the day cycle, if it requires wasting one of my APs I would prefer to reimburse the person later today in the afternoon/evening cycle. Will publicly post the give action for everyone to see (assuming I'm not killed in the morning). If it doesn't require spending an AP to give the gold then I'm happy to do it before our actions start.

[hoopsguy]

From the rules, post #1

Give: A player may give another player an item or gold. Both players must be in the same square. The person receiving the item is not charged an AP. This action may also be used during the Afternoon and Evening Cycles, without any AP cost. However, if used during the Afternoon or Evening Cycles it should be posted in the thread and is considered public information, except that the pirates may pass their knife from one to another by PM’ing me.


So I read this as indicating that a give will cost the "giver" one of the five turns. And I would prefer not to burn one of my turns if there are already sufficient funds to do this without me. I can either reimburse the person who does this today or contribute to the person we elect tomorrow or whatever other strategy people would like to follow. And if we don't have enough people willing to give then I'll reluctantly do it during the day cycle today because we need this information.

[Raiders Army]

From the rules, post #1


So I read this as indicating that a give will cost the "giver" one of the five turns. And I would prefer not to burn one of my turns if there are already sufficient funds to do this without me. I can either reimburse the person who does this today or contribute to the person we elect tomorrow or whatever other strategy people would like to follow. And if we don't have enough people willing to give then I'll reluctantly do it during the day cycle today because we need this information.
I will give you my two gold.

[Raiders Army]

I'm out for the night.

[Poli]

Guys, if it only requires 4 gold, I will do it. Don't send gold. I have it. That way I'm broke in the end, and maybe the pirates will leave me alone.

[Poli]

What should my actions be to do this is my next question.

[kingfc22]

So it looks like Hoops is going to be viewing the evidence? I would suggest that someone watch Hoops and that RA veiws hoops. That should build a nice circle of trust.

[kingfc22]

Ok, I see AE has the gold. I would suggest that RA view AE and someone watch AE.

[hoopsguy]

I'm fine with AE doing this if everyone else is. Qwik was my #1 choice for this and all three people I listed were in the thread so I'm hoping we have at least some discussion on this ...

[Poli]

Ok, I see AE has the gold. I would suggest that RA view AE and someone watch AE.I'm fine with that.

[hoopsguy]

AE having four gold makes it easier as we don't have to have anyone waste a turn giving him gold. I'll still reimburse him (or whoever) one gold later this afternoon/tonight as promised.

[Poli]

Let me get this straight. I'll go D3 (police station), buy the view (does that count as an AP?), and then I can do what I want, right?

[TazFTW]

Taz, Schmidy I don't recall...
I went Northwest and didn't see anyone.

[TazFTW]

Let me get this straight. I'll go D3 (police station), buy the view (does that count as an AP?), and then I can do what I want, right?
Looking at the rules I believe buying an item or service will cost an AP.

[Desnudo]

AE is fine with me. I'll donate the 1 GP to him in the next cycle as well. I think he should be given the full amount for giving up APs, so we'd need two more donations.

[KWhit]

What if AE is a pirate?

[Poli]

Well, I know I'm not. I know that's not good enough for you, though. I could pass on my gold to someone else to do it, though.

Either way, I'm not holding on to it after revealing I have it.

[Alan T]

I'm ok with AE viewing.. I guess I don't really trust anyone, so this is a gamble for us.

[TazFTW]

Barkeep, does depositing/withdrawing gold from the bank cost an AP?

[hoopsguy]

Any of these people is a gamble.

KWhit, how would you feel about AE giving you the four GP for this today and we all reimburse AE tonight with 1 GP each?

That would only cost one of us an action, instead of 3-4 people actions with 1GP apiece.

Spidey sense went off a little bit when AE said that he had 4 GP to himself. After hearing how poor everyone was after the first night of digging I guess I am being a little paranoid.

[kingfc22]

What if AE is a pirate?
That is why we have RA view him.

[hoopsguy]

If AE is willing to give up 4 GP in a turn to complete this - even as a loan - that would move him up my trust list. The person who does the viewing also becomes trusted using King's strategy.

If we go this route then I would strongly suggest that AE set up a bank account today as well as he should be getting 4 GP back tonight and may want to look into having that option going forward instead of being mugged or being a target for pirates.

[KWhit]

That is why we have RA view him.
I don't think that tells us whether the person is a pirate or not does it?

[Alan T]

Any of these people is a gamble.

KWhit, how would you feel about AE giving you the four GP for this today and we all reimburse AE tonight with 1 GP each?

That would only cost one of us an action, instead of 3-4 people actions with 1GP apiece.

Spidey sense went off a little bit when AE said that he had 4 GP to himself. After hearing how poor everyone was after the first night of digging I guess I am being a little paranoid.


Yeah, for me its one of those things.. I would rather it not be someone so eager to do it. I'm ok with Kwhit I think. Right now out of everyone, he has the highest trust in my circle. Although I still don't feel fully comfortable with anyone just yet.

[Poli]

Any of these people is a gamble.

KWhit, how would you feel about AE giving you the four GP for this today and we all reimburse AE tonight with 1 GP each?

That would only cost one of us an action, instead of 3-4 people actions with 1GP apiece.

Spidey sense went off a little bit when AE said that he had 4 GP to himself. After hearing how poor everyone was after the first night of digging I guess I am being a little paranoid.
Calm your spidey sense down. I went digging the opposite way. To tell the truth, I went digging down by that river over that way. I digged in the same spot...got 2 gold each time.

[Alan T]

I don't think that tells us whether the person is a pirate or not does it?


He means have RA "watch" the person doing the actions so 1) They can't be killed without the watcher knowing. 2) They can verify they did it.

Basically its a three person thing:

1) Kwhit pays the police 4 gold to search Blade's belongings.
2) Raiders watches kwhit to verify his actions and watch for killers
3) Player X watches Raiders to verify his and watch for killers.

[Desnudo]

Any of these people is a gamble.

KWhit, how would you feel about AE giving you the four GP for this today and we all reimburse AE tonight with 1 GP each?

That would only cost one of us an action, instead of 3-4 people actions with 1GP apiece.

Spidey sense went off a little bit when AE said that he had 4 GP to himself. After hearing how poor everyone was after the first night of digging I guess I am being a little paranoid.

I'll admit that it did for me too, but he had to have known that it would raise eyebrows to say that. if we're pulling 0-6 GP when we mine, it stand to reason some will fall on the high side.

[kingfc22]

I don't think that tells us whether the person is a pirate or not does it?Ahh, you are right. I thought investigator=seer. Barkeep and his rules...http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Alan T]

Ardent is not on my trust list right now (not really many anyone on there), but he is not my top 5 suspects per say... but I would feel more comfortable with Kwhit doing it I think

[hoopsguy]

AE, if you were willing to spend the 4 GP initially then is it a problem to give it to KWhit instead? Or to give it to another player that you would pick?

[kingfc22]

At the same time I figured with us watching each other it would keep us safe from an attack.

[hoopsguy]

Bottom line, I'm fine with either of these guys doing this - heck, they were #2 and #3 on the list that I posted.

[Poli]

Well, I could just forward my gold to Kwhit, though I have as much reason to trust him as he does me. I could just watch RA.

[KWhit]

I'd be fine with doing it if people trust me more.

[Poli]

AE, if you were willing to spend the 4 GP initially then is it a problem to give it to KWhit instead? Or to give it to another player that you would pick?Yep. See my post above.

[Desnudo]

This is like negotiating a government contract. I agree on KWhit as well. Let's make him the observer.

[Poli]

I'd be fine with doing it if people trust me more.Same here.

[KWhit]

Either way is fine with me, I just want us to understand that we won't definitively KNOW one way or the other.

[Poli]

This is like negotiating a government contract. I agree on KWhit as well. Let's make him the observer.Been there. :p

[Poli]

Just thought of something: Couldn't we both go? Seems like a waste of gold now that I think of it.

[Alan T]

Just thought of something: Couldn't we both go? Seems like a waste of gold now that I think of it.

If you both have 4 gold to spend. I believe the police deal directly with 1 person (ie: PM to one person)

[kingfc22]

From the rules

Police Station
If the *!&# authorities would just pay these men what they deserved then maybe they’d be a little more honest in performing their duties. Each service may only be purchased once per day, unless otherwise specified.





Only one person can view the evidence.

[Poli]

Well, there goes that idea. It probably would have been a waste of an additional 4 gold, anyway.

[Desnudo]

I'd recommend against that course of action. I know that 4 GP doesn't seem like much, but I think we should husband our resources. Pick the most trustworthy guy at this point and go with him. That's KWhit in my mind.

[kingfc22]

Path - does the necklace give you any abilities?

[Poli]

I'd recommend against that course of action. I know that 4 GP doesn't seem like much, but I think we should husband our resources. Pick the most trustworthy guy at this point and go with him. That's KWhit in my mind.
I'll try not to feel slighted by that comment. :p

[kingfc22]

Who is going to be the 3rd man on this team?

[Desnudo]

I'll try not to feel slighted by that comment. :p

And as backup, in case KWhit should be unable to fullfill his duties as police briber, I vote for AE.

[TazFTW]

Barkeep, who/what is Handy Harry's? It is listed on the map but not in the rules.

[hoopsguy]

Just trying to work through the actions

T1: AE hands money to Kwhit

T1: Can KWhit move directly to the police station? They need to be in the same square.

If there is an opportunity to do this it would make sense for AE to be the 3rd man, since we are using his money initially (if he wants it). If not, then I'm up for whoever.

[Poli]

Who is going to be the 3rd man on this team?I'll do it if there are no objections. I volunteered already to view, I don't see any reason not to volunteer for this. I'm getting rid of the gold, regardless, so don't send Kwhit anything. I'll take care of that.

[TazFTW]

There are so many things that could go wrong.

[saldana]

holy crap. i just caught up to everything since i left for work, and this might be the most confusing friggin game ever.

i have some concerns about our little viewing group....i only had .5 an AP left yesterday, and was told that i saw ardent most of the day...i only dug once, so if we were in the same square, how did he get to dig twice.

[Poli]

Easy. Hold on. Let me review my PM.

[kingfc22]

Yea, it would make sense for AE to be the 3rd man since he has to give KWhit the money.

[Poli]

Assuming I can post my own PM:


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[saldana]

very interesting

[hoopsguy]

Just did a quick review to see if there was any history with KWhit and RA from earlier today.

KWhit cast the last vote for Raiders before his investigator reveal. KWhit was also the first to pull back the vote. And within about 25 posts he says that he trusts RA.

Nothing here that makes me feel a need to move KWhit out of the drivers seat for today's bribery.

[hoopsguy]

Saldana, does AE's information make sense to you? Trying to make sense out of 'very interesting' ...

[Poli]

Well, I don't know where he ended up.

[Poli]

Actually, I was wondering how he ended up with .5 AP.

[Barkeep49]

Ok I'm back and catching up. If I miss a question you asked and you'd like an answer please ask again.

You must buy an account but after that as long as you are at the bank it doesn't cost anything to Deposit or withdraw.

Any number of people can buy a service from the police. That wasn't clear. A player, however, may only buy each service once per day.

Handy Harry's was going to have some of the items at Elle's Emporium but I did not think there were enough items to warrant two stores and merged them. It's an artifact and I will remove it.

[Poli]

Blasted Wal Mart moving in the area! :mad:

[kingfc22]

Actually, I was wondering how he ended up with .5 AP.Yea, seems strange since he would have had to have gone to the jungle which is in the NE. That is the only way to use a half an AP.

[kingfc22]

Yea, seems strange since he would have had to have gone to the jungle which is in the NW. That is the only way to use a half an AP.
Errrr, NW.

[Alan T]

Yea, seems strange since he would have had to have gone to the jungle which is in the NE. That is the only way to use a half an AP.

Thats only on the second trip through the same square (doubling back) too.

I am still looking for another way for .5, but havent found it yet

[KWhit]

I'll be happy to view the evidence, but I wonder if that is going to make me a target for a pirate kill?

I wonder if it doesn't make more sense to have someone do it without broadcasting it all over the thread? I know that's going to be impossible to do right now since AE seems to be the only one with at least 4 gp.

But if I view the evidence and spend the 4gp and then am killed at the police station, we're out the gold and me!!! :)

And the watch action doesn't specify what happens if someone is watching me and I'm attacked.

Watch: You will watch a person. That person must be in the same square as you when you use it. You will learn what that person does that turn, and if they are moving you will follow them. An attempt to use it on a second consecutive turn, unless the watcher has the sneaky trait, will result in the person being watched learning they are being watched. The person will automatically hide from the watcher, without an cost of an AP, on the next turn, while still being able to perform their designated action. The watcher will match the move AP costs of anyone being watched, such as through mountains or over rivers. The watcher will automatically use any equipment or knowledge they have to reduce movement costs.

So I don't know if I were watched and attacked if the watcher will find out who did it or not.

[TazFTW]

Assuming I can post my own PM:




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Why didn't the move from F5 to G6 cost 2 APs? You're crossing a river.

River: If a player is attempting to “cross” the river it costs 2 AP. The river runs approximately through the middle of the square. So for instance it costs 2 AP to move from F6 to F7 or G7, but any other movement will allow the player to stay on the same side of the river thus costing the normal AP. Note that the river can also cause some diagonal moves, such as from E6 to F7 to cost 2 AP.
F5 to G6 is the same move as E6 to F7.

Only possible way is that you have fleet of foot, which means you are either the athlete or one of the pirate roles.

[Alan T]

I'll be happy to view the evidence, but I wonder if that is going to make me a target for a pirate kill?

I wonder if it doesn't make more sense to have someone do it without broadcasting it all over the thread? I know that's going to be impossible to do right now since AE seems to be the only one with at least 4 gp.

But if I view the evidence and spend the 4gp and then am killed at the police station, we're out the gold and me!!! :)

And the watch action doesn't specify what happens if someone is watching me and I'm attacked.


So I don't know if I were watched and attacked if the watcher will find out who did it or not.


It might make you a target, but if we're going to catch pirates in the act, it will be with 2 people watching -IN- town. Im not sure if they can even kill close to town safely or not. I guess its a risk on our part, but likely a bigger risk on their part I am thinking

[kingfc22]

Why didn't the move from F5 to G6 cost 2 APs? You're crossing a river.


F5 to G6 is the same move as E6 to F7.

Only possible way is that you have fleet of foot, which means you are either the athlete or one of the pirate roles.Nice catch Taz.

[Poli]

I don't know. Maybe barkeep didn't catch it, that's my only guess. I'm neither the athlete or a pirate.

[Poli]

Additionally, here was my original AP thing. If you remember, I didn't realize I could move diagonally. I was just trying to go someplace where others couldn't so 1) I wouldn't be killed and 2) I could have the gold to myself.


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[Poli]

Err, I meant wouldn't instead of couldn't.

[Poli]

Is the deadline in 40 minutes??

[hoopsguy]

guys, i think we need to blow up the old plan at this point because of concerns about AE.

Do you want to try and string it back together (KWhit viewing, Raiders watching) with someone else supplying the money or just have an unannounced visit by someone to visit Blade? That way it will be harder for the pirates to know where to be, during what turn, to kill someone.

[Alan T]

Is the deadline in 40 minutes??


I believe so

[Poli]

I believe soI better get my APs in order then. I'm still passing off my 4 gold.

[Barkeep49]

The hide move may only be used once each day. This does not effect any submitted orders as of this post, just putting it out there for future consumption.

[KWhit]

guys, i think we need to blow up the old plan at this point because of concerns about AE.
I agree. AE has alarm bells ringing in my ears right now.


Do you want to try and string it back together (KWhit viewing, Raiders watching) with someone else supplying the money or just have an unannounced visit by someone to visit Blade? That way it will be harder for the pirates to know where to be, during what turn, to kill someone.
Let's hold off until more people have enough gp. That way hopefully the pirates won't be able to track and kill us. Maybe tomorrow we can use the messenger service to secretly pick someone to view the evidence on Blade.

[Alan T]

guys, i think we need to blow up the old plan at this point because of concerns about AE.

Do you want to try and string it back together (KWhit viewing, Raiders watching) with someone else supplying the money or just have an unannounced visit by someone to visit Blade? That way it will be harder for the pirates to know where to be, during what turn, to kill someone.


Worst case scenerio, Blade can sit in jail a bit until 1 person has enough money to privately go view him. I think with the plan in place, it had failsafes to guard against a pirate being in the middle. The only really bad place would be if Kwhit was a pirate, or BOTH RA and Ardent were (which right now might actually be a possibility).

[Poli]

I shouldn't, Kwhit. Either barkeep made a mistake...or something. I don't know. I didn't even know what a fleet of foot thing was. I had to go read it after I saw Taz post it.

[KWhit]

I shouldn't, Kwhit. Either barkeep made a mistake...or something. I don't know. I didn't even know what a fleet of foot thing was. I had to go read it after I saw Taz post it.
That may be so, but I don't think we would feel comfortable with the evidence plan tonight for a couple of reasons - your actions last night just one of them.

[Poli]

I could understand that.

[Poli]

Could, can. My english has been screwy since I started this APA research class.

[Desnudo]

I'll give KWhit 2 GP if someone(s) will cough up the other 2.

[Desnudo]

I think we need to do this tonight. The longer we wait, the more advantage to the pirates.

[saldana]

sorry, got pulled away by work. what i was saying was very interesting is the exact thing that taz pointed out...ardent would have needed 6 points to dig twice, or he is lying about how much gold he has, because i only got 2. the half point thing was a math/rules error on my part, i thought you only spent 1/2 a point for traveling on roads, so my travel orders would have been

ap1- d4 to e4
ap2- e4 to f5
ap3-4 f5 to g6 (across the river)
ap5 - dig (yield 2 gp)

i thougth the d4 to e4 move only cost me a half point, hence the .5 leftover statement

either way, AE would have needed 6 points to get 4 gold from that square, or he is lying about having 4gp, which could mean he will go to the PD, but not actually do anything, since he is the only one that will know if he did it.

[hoopsguy]

Desnudo, I'm going in. I've got the money as well and I don't trust anyone else at all.

Here were my actions yesterday:
AP1: E5
AP2: F6 (should have Path and Vince confirm this)
AP3 - AP5: Dig three times.

Path had enough money to buy the necklace (3 GP) and I suspect that he could have upped his offer from where he ended up.

Anyone who wants to watch me, get on board.

And I'm willing to take offers for what my remaining actions should entail, but I'm planning to go like this:

AP1: Police Station (C4)
AP2: Bribe official
AP3: C5
AP4: C6
AP5: Dig

[hoopsguy]

I would also ask that someone try to watch Ardent in this cycle.

[pennywisesb]

I would also ask that someone try to watch Ardent in this cycle.

Yes, someone please watch AE. That was an interesting turn of events earlier. I think we are making the right decision allowing Hoops to go into the station versus someone else.

[Poli]

sorry, got pulled away by work. what i was saying was very interesting is the exact thing that taz pointed out...ardent would have needed 6 points to dig twice, or he is lying about how much gold he has, because i only got 2. the half point thing was a math/rules error on my part, i thought you only spent 1/2 a point for traveling on roads, so my travel orders would have been

ap1- d4 to e4
ap2- e4 to f5
ap3-4 f5 to g6 (across the river)
ap5 - dig (yield 2 gp)

i thougth the d4 to e4 move only cost me a half point, hence the .5 leftover statement

either way, AE would have needed 6 points to get 4 gold from that square, or he is lying about having 4gp, which could mean he will go to the PD, but not actually do anything, since he is the only one that will know if he did it.
Looks like we did the same thing, though my PM does not state you were there digging near me. Regardless, I'm not lieing. I did not use a fleet of foot move, as the athlete or a pirate.

[kingfc22]

Hoops you are now 100% in my book. I too was at F6 yesterday, but I chose to dig once and then hide just in case someone was tracking me.

I went E4 - E5 - E6 - dig - hide

[kingfc22]

I can not type today. ARGGHHH. E4-E5-F6-dig-hide

[saldana]

Looks like we did the same thing, though my PM does not state you were there digging near me. Regardless, I'm not lieing. I did not use a fleet of foot move, as the athlete or a pirate.

then how did you dig twice? you would have been out of AP after the first dig just like i was.

[hoopsguy]

King, you sure you posted that right? I don't see F6 in the list there.

[Poli]

I don't know. My PM is right up there. My first PM is right up there. I sure as heck didn't know about any fleet of foot thing last night when I sent them in.

[hoopsguy]

OK - but why did you go E4 and then E5? Next time shoot a diag there and save yourself a move, unless you were doing that to be elusive or something ...

That spot was solid yesterday, based on the lukewarm responses that everyone else is giving.

[Alan T]

Hoops you are now 100% in my book. I too was at F6 yesterday, but I chose to dig once and then hide just in case someone was tracking me.

I went E4 - E5 - E6 - dig - hide


I wouldnt put anyone 100% based on their day 1 actions. The pirates have likely 3-4 of them, and only 1 of them had to be near Sndvls.

[kingfc22]

OK - but why did you go E4 and then E5? Next time shoot a diag there and save yourself a move, unless you were doing that to be elusive or something ...

That spot was solid yesterday, based on the lukewarm responses that everyone else is giving.No real reason. I knew I wanted to check a river location ala the California gold rush.

[KWhit]

Desnudo, I'm going in. I've got the money as well and I don't trust anyone else at all.

Here were my actions yesterday:
AP1: E5
AP2: F6 (should have Path and Vince confirm this)
AP3 - AP5: Dig three times.

Path had enough money to buy the necklace (3 GP) and I suspect that he could have upped his offer from where he ended up.

Anyone who wants to watch me, get on board.

And I'm willing to take offers for what my remaining actions should entail, but I'm planning to go like this:

AP1: Police Station (C4)
AP2: Bribe official
AP3: C5
AP4: C6
AP5: Dig
Good job. I was hoping somebody would have the gold to do it. And I think you waited late enough to post it that hopefully no pirates watched you (and killed you). I think I would have hidden for my first AP though.

Good luck to you!

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, for what it is worth I changed the order on my last three actions because I did leave a little time for someone to update their PMs. And I didn't want to get killed on the back end.

On the front end, I wanted to have the best opportunity to get to the jail before someone else did in front of me that I didn't trust. Ardent says that he has the money and I didn't want to arrive on AP3 only to find that he had already bribed the official in front of me. I'm not sure how a tie-breaker would work on this, but I'm quite sure how this would work if I'm one AP behind.

[Poli]

Well, that's certainly a surprise. I didn't catch this post earlier.

[KWhit]

KWhit, for what it is worth I changed the order on my last three actions because I did leave a little time for someone to update their PMs. And I didn't want to get killed on the back end.

On the front end, I wanted to have the best opportunity to get to the jail before someone else did in front of me that I didn't trust. Ardent says that he has the money and I didn't want to arrive on AP3 only to find that he had already bribed the official in front of me. I'm not sure how a tie-breaker would work on this, but I'm quite sure how this would work if I'm one AP behind.
But didn't barkeep say that 2 people could view the evidence?

Looking for the post now.

[KWhit]

Ok I'm back and catching up. If I miss a question you asked and you'd like an answer please ask again.

You must buy an account but after that as long as you are at the bank it doesn't cost anything to Deposit or withdraw.

Any number of people can buy a service from the police. That wasn't clear. A player, however, may only buy each service once per day.

Handy Harry's was going to have some of the items at Elle's Emporium but I did not think there were enough items to warrant two stores and merged them. It's an artifact and I will remove it.
Here's the post I was talking about.

[Barkeep49]

Ok I'm waiting for a couple people to get back to me with the specifics of how they move, so no actions until closer to the "true" start of Monring at 9 Eastern; might not be til 9:30 depending. You may start voting, however.

If they haven't gotten back to me by morning I will roll a dice to decide how they move as people have now realized that there can be some importance in that.

[hoopsguy]

If that is the case then the more the merrier. But if this is interpreted the way you expect then I probably should have taken the opportunity to hide on AP1.

[Barkeep49]

KWhit has the rule correct. It was previously unclear but has now been clarified in the rules.

[hoopsguy]

Shoot, was really hoping that this was going up tonight.

I'm out for a big portion of tomorrow. I have to travel into Indiana to meet with an adoption agency and I won't be back until early evening.

[hoopsguy]

I sent two messages to Barkeep this evening. He should post one of them, based on the findings from the bribe, with results tomorrow on my behalf.

[Desnudo]

I sent KWhit 2 GP before I read any of this. Anyway, if your spidey sense went off when you read that AE had 4 GP, shouldn't ours being going off that you do too? Or did someone send you gold?

[KWhit]

I sent KWhit 2 GP before I read any of this. Anyway, if your spidey sense went off when you read that AE had 4 GP, shouldn't ours being going off that you do too? Or did someone send you gold?
The issue was with AE's action point usage. He shouldn't have had the APs remaining to get 4 gps.

Either Barkeep made a mistake, or AE is lying and he's fleet of foot (or he's lying about how much gold he has or what his true actions were).

[hoopsguy]

Desnudo, I posted my actions on Day 1 in Post #690. I have people who can confirm my first two moves and a 3rd party who seems to support the idea that I would have accumulated sufficient gold in the spot where I stated that I dug three times.

When we got wind that there was something fishy with the Day 1 movements posted by AE I decided that I wanted to push ahead with this action, even when I knew that I wasn't going to be around much tomorrow.

After last game I was trying to be a little less controversial on Day 1, but it felt like things were headed in a bad direction. So I acted.

You will have plenty of time to second-guess me come tomorrow after the results are up. I accept that. And if you want to start now before results are up I can't stop you ....

[saldana]

I have to travel into Indiana to meet with an adoption agency .
You are being adopted? :D in all OOG seriousness, best of luck.

back in game, i dont think this needs alot of thought on my part, or explanation, except from Ardent

vote Ardent Enthusiast

[hoopsguy]

In all OOG non-seriousness, I'm surprised that no one on this board has adopted me yet.

Actually have two agencies to see tomorrow, first in Chicago at 8:30 AM and the second in Indianapolis at 3PM. Then the drive home ... hope that I'm around for the deadline. But my vote was included in the message I sent Barkeep.

[hoopsguy]

Also, if people don't mind doing it during the evening cycle I would appreciate whatever help feel they can provide on the 4 GP cost to bribe the official. Heck, just go to the square I specified earlier to get the gold back :)

I would rather people do this during the afternoon/evening so it doesn't cost anyone movement points during the day cycle if they are moved by my sudden poverty. In all seriousness, spending 4 GP today and not having many actions to get funds back will put me a little behind in the race.

[saldana]

Also, if people don't mind doing it during the evening cycle I would appreciate whatever help feel they can provide on the 4 GP cost to bribe the official. Heck, just go to the square I specified earlier to get the gold back :)

I would rather people do this during the afternoon/evening so it doesn't cost anyone movement points during the day cycle if they are moved by my sudden poverty. In all seriousness, spending 4 GP today and not having many actions to get funds back will put me a little behind in the race.depending on how my dig went today, i will be able to give you at least 1 provided we are both still alive.

[Desnudo]

Desnudo, I posted my actions on Day 1 in Post #690. I have people who can confirm my first two moves and a 3rd party who seems to support the idea that I would have accumulated sufficient gold in the spot where I stated that I dug three times.

When we got wind that there was something fishy with the Day 1 movements posted by AE I decided that I wanted to push ahead with this action, even when I knew that I wasn't going to be around much tomorrow.

After last game I was trying to be a little less controversial on Day 1, but it felt like things were headed in a bad direction. So I acted.

You will have plenty of time to second-guess me come tomorrow after the results are up. I accept that. And if you want to start now before results are up I can't stop you ....

Just doing a little follow-up. If you call someone out for something that seems out of the ordinary, I think you should be willing to subject yourself to the scrutiny.

[Desnudo]

Just doing a little follow-up. If you call someone out for something that seems out of the ordinary, I think you should be willing to subject yourself to the scrutiny.

Meaning that you called him having 4 gp suspicious and then come out with the same amount yourself. Although having read the whole lead up, I think AE got caught with his pants down.

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

[path12]

Path - does the necklace give you any abilities?

Not that I'm aware of yet.

[path12]

I just put in my moves, sorry for the delay. I forgot about the 11 Eastern and thought I had until later, then got caught up with some family stuff.

Hoops, I can verify that you should be able to make the ID based on your morning move. I will also be glad to give you a GP assuming that I am alive after the morning.

[pennywisesb]

I think AE got caught with his pants down.

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

LMAO. I agree too.

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

[path12]

The issue was with AE's action point usage. He shouldn't have had the APs remaining to get 4 gps.

Either Barkeep made a mistake, or AE is lying and he's fleet of foot (or he's lying about how much gold he has or what his true actions were).

I'd think Barkeep would let everyone know if there was a mistake on his end, so I'm finding AE's moves odd.

[saldana]

I'd think Barkeep would let everyone know if there was a mistake on his end, so I'm finding AE's moves odd.

i have a little bit of a problem buying into the idea that barkeep wrote up a rule set that you have to be a member of mensa to understand, and then screwed it up himself the first day. and des, the issue isnt with the 4gp that AE says he has, it has to do with the fact that he would have needed 6 AP to get it, and his best explanation is "barkeep must have made a mistake"

[Desnudo]

i have a little bit of a problem buying into the idea that barkeep wrote up a rule set that you have to be a member of mensa to understand, and then screwed it up himself the first day. and des, the issue isnt with the 4gp that AE says he has, it has to do with the fact that he would have needed 6 AP to get it, and his best explanation is "barkeep must have made a mistake"

I know, that's why I voted for him. The 4 gp question I put to Hoops because he said that the fact that AE had 4 gp made him suspicious, but then had that same amount available himself.

[Vince]

Ugh, I didn't realize that our afternoon actions were due at 11 EST, or I would have already put them in -- sorry if I caused a delay guys. Work was hell tonight.

Not sure what to make of AE...I'll be curious to see what happens this afternoon.

[TazFTW]

Since I brought up the AP flaw, I thought I would bring up a way that AE could be correct. If Barkeep did take 2 APs for crossing the river, AE would still have an AP to get his first dig order in. He could have gotten the 4 gold with that one dig and Ardent thinking that his orders were correct would assume that he dug twice.

Which makes me throw out this question, did anyone else dig twice in the same square during morning 1? If so, when you received you results were you given a total amount of gold or were you told how much gold each dig action brought up?

I only dug once so I have no idea what message you would get if you dig in the same spot twice.

[Vince]

I work today from 11:30 AM until probably around 4:00 PM (Pacific Time), and I'll probably be asleep until about 11:00 AM. Continuing the 'probably' theme, I'll probably catch up, post some nonsensical bogusness while I'm tired, and make myself late to work in the process. I'll then see if I can get off work early to check out what's going on in the game. But in case I really am at work for that long, and I DON'T make myself late for work to continue playing this game, that's why I'm gone :)

[hoopsguy]

I dug three times in the same square on Day 1. The message I got indicated the total amount of gold, not that I received the same amount on each and every one of my digs.

However, the rules indicate that you will receive a uniform amount of gold each time you dig in a square.

Dig: You will dig for gold in your current square. May be used in any square except D4. A repeated dig may or may not result in more gold, though all digs on a particular square will result in the same amount of gold (0-5 gold pieces or GP).

[hoopsguy]

Desnudo, here is where I was a little nervous on AE although I didn't fully express this at the time:

1.) We are looking for an agreed upon safe person to report the info on Blade after the bribe
2.) We are setting up a plan where we are giving money to this person
3.) I bring AE up as an option in my list of three people
4.) AE then says "I have all the money, I can make this easy for us"

While I appreciate the fact that someone wants to make it easy for us, I was a little nervous at the time because that made it more convenient to select him. The thought was "If Blade is a pirate, then the pirates need their guy to be the one viewing him". So I was just a little nervous that the guy that I had put in the list was now making it easy.

It was a little bit of trying to cover my own ass, I guess. If we found out later that AE was a pirate I didn't want that linkage back to me. And then when he looked suspicious I felt that pressure even more intensely. Which is why I decided to make my move - brive the official myself, publish my information on Day 1 movements, and see if I could reassert control of my destiny a little bit.

I generally play the game as a consensus-builder. This was a time where I felt that there wasn't sufficient time to build a new plan without giving an advantage to the pirates.

Anyways, that is the best explanation that I can offer on why the "spidey sense" was going off. Mainly self-preservation instincts more than not thinking that anyone could have 4 GP from Day 1. Obviously I knew that was entirely possible.

[Qwikshot]

Desnudo, here is where I was a little nervous on AE although I didn't fully express this at the time:

1.) We are looking for an agreed upon safe person to report the info on Blade after the bribe
2.) We are setting up a plan where we are giving money to this person
3.) I bring AE up as an option in my list of three people
4.) AE then says "I have all the money, I can make this easy for us"

While I appreciate the fact that someone wants to make it easy for us, I was a little nervous at the time because that made it more convenient to select him. The thought was "If Blade is a pirate, then the pirates need their guy to be the one viewing him". So I was just a little nervous that the guy that I had put in the list was now making it easy.

It was a little bit of trying to cover my own ass, I guess. If we found out later that AE was a pirate I didn't want that linkage back to me. And then when he looked suspicious I felt that pressure even more intensely. Which is why I decided to make my move - brive the official myself, publish my information on Day 1 movements, and see if I could reassert control of my destiny a little bit.

I generally play the game as a consensus-builder. This was a time where I felt that there wasn't sufficient time to build a new plan without giving an advantage to the pirates.

Anyways, that is the best explanation that I can offer on why the "spidey sense" was going off. Mainly self-preservation instincts more than not thinking that anyone could have 4 GP from Day 1. Obviously I knew that was entirely possible.

While it is costly, I find it a shame we can't send two to view...then two to use Mike's Messenging service to state to everyone the findings (I'm assuming you can only PM /1/ person).

[saldana]

Since I brought up the AP flaw, I thought I would bring up a way that AE could be correct. If Barkeep did take 2 APs for crossing the river, AE would still have an AP to get his first dig order in. He could have gotten the 4 gold with that one dig and Ardent thinking that his orders were correct would assume that he dug twice.

Which makes me throw out this question, did anyone else dig twice in the same square during morning 1? If so, when you received you results were you given a total amount of gold or were you told how much gold each dig action brought up?

I only dug once so I have no idea what message you would get if you dig in the same spot twice.

nice taz, i get busy with team India at work and you claim credit for noticing what i knew instantly, but didnt have a chance to post :rolleyes:

any way, the BS aspect of this is that i dug the same square, and only got 2 GP, plus he says her dug 2x for 2gp each dig. if all digs in the same square yield the same amount of gold, then he should have had 2 not 4.

[KWhit]

any way, the BS aspect of this is that i dug the same square, and only got 2 GP, plus he says her dug 2x for 2gp each dig. if all digs in the same square yield the same amount of gold, then he should have had 2 not 4.
Interesting.

The only other possibility is that the square gives 2gp per turn yield allowing AE to get 4gp in two digs, but ran out of gold after your first turn of digging.

I would imagine your PM would give some indication of that though.

[KWhit]

I sent KWhit 2 GP before I read any of this. Anyway, if your spidey sense went off when you read that AE had 4 GP, shouldn't ours being going off that you do too? Or did someone send you gold?
Just wanted to follow up on this. I hid on the first action and therefore you couldn't find me. You should still have your 2gp.

I just wanted to make sure that:
1) You actually do still have your gp and there wasn't a mistake somewhere.
2) I'm not a prime target of the pirates because they think I'm rich, rich, rich!


;)

[Barkeep49]

Authorities were shocked to learn today that there was another murder on Blahoop. This time the victim was Desnudo who was found in square E5. The authorities say that the crime scene was quite bloody, but are refusing to comment further officially.

Unofficially one officer said "We don't really know what we're doing. I mean there's never been a murder here unless you count the time Cootie Caryn shot her husband for taking her dominios."

Officials say that they are not concerned that Blade was released from jail yesterday either.

"The man just didn't belong there," one police officer said.

Shady enters your Hut.

"Hmm we're missing quite a few people aren't we. I wonder where Grammaticus and Alan T are. A shame that they are going to miss out on this!"

Shady holds up an envelope.

"This here boys is your TICKET! If you think things are going poorly this has just the ticket you need."

Shady puts the envelope back in his pocket.

"Bidding is now open."

[Qwikshot]

Shame about Deadnudo...seem'd to 'ave more sense than most. Me I wents SW, didn't bump into anyone, but damned if I wasn't follow'd. Lost whoever it was, but they'd better come clean. Next time, I'll be whackin' them with my pioneer hat.

[Barkeep49]

On behalf of Hoops:

Blade is a PIRATE! Vote Ardent Enthusiast

Hoops revelation reminded me that I should have mentioned in the news that Blade was released from jail.

[KWhit]

Crap. Lost Desnudo. That sucks.

Alan and Gramm are camping out.

And I wonder what the ticket is. Get out of jail free card?

[Qwikshot]

On behalf of Hoops:



Hoops revelation reminded me that I should have mentioned in the news that Blade was released from jail.

WOOT...got one...how do we kill him?

[KWhit]

On behalf of Hoops:



Hoops revelation reminded me that I should have mentioned in the news that Blade was released from jail.
Blade was released!!?!?!?

Shit!

But I knew he was a pirate! At least we IDed one of them.

Vote Blade.

[Barkeep49]

WOOT...got one...how do we kill him?
Why would law abiding treasure hunters kill someone? No no. You just will just have the police arrest them and let them deal with it.

[KWhit]

WOOT...got one...how do we kill him?
I don't think we can unless we buy the gun.

[KWhit]

We have to vote Blade back into the jail.

[Qwikshot]

So you have to go to jail twice before you are lynched?

[KWhit]

So you have to go to jail twice before you are lynched?
It sounds like there is no "lynch." It's just sending them to jail.

[Qwikshot]

It sounds like there is no "lynch." It's just sending them to jail.

Well one of the pirates can bail one out, which is what I'm assuming happened. So it may be worthless putting Blade back in until we figure out who else is a pirate.

[KWhit]

Well one of the pirates can bail one out, which is what I'm assuming happened. So it may be worthless putting Blade back in until we figure out who else is a pirate.
No way. If we trust hoops (and I do), then the only course of action in my mind is to put Blade back in the hoosegow.

Then we can get somebody to watch him if we want to ensure that he isn't broken out again.

Or.....

Thinking out of the box:
But it may be a decent strategy to just let the pirates keep breaking hi out if they want. It uses up AP and gold for them and would allow us to increase our amount of gold while they spin their wheels breaking him out every night.

They break him out - we put him back in.

Rinse, repeat, until they stop breaking him out or until we get 100 gp.

The issue here is that we won't find any more pirates, and I strongly suspect that AE is one now. But if we just want to try to race to 100gp, it might not matter.

[Qwikshot]

Well I'm a placin' a trust in y'u and that there Hoops. Yer both clear in m'mind, though I don't fancy yer diggin up me gold.

Still not liking RA, but I'll let him simmer enough to ignore me, til he proves himself useful.

As for ArdvarkEnthusiast, fair deal in mah book that he's bad news and sh'ld be put in tha clink.

Vote Blade

I 'new sporkyhead was bad news, enjoy the bars again butterknife!

[KWhit]

It's too quiet in here.