WW XXIV: Treasure Hunt (GAME OVER!)

[Blade6119]

lonely...im soo lonely...i have nobody, to share my cell with ;)

[pennywisesb]

Unfortunately I didn't see anyone on my little excursion.

So, does this mean hoops is going to have to be quiet for the rest of the day? At this point I think its pretty obvious he was, in fact, telling the truth on blade which makes him one of my most trusted individuals.

I'm having a hard time finding any "new dirt" on anyone at this point. Blade got nailed so quickly that he didn't really have a chance to align himself with anyone else and the only other evidence we have at this point is AE's little SNAFU. At this point I'm leaning towards voting AE, but I'm going to wait to see what today's discussion brings about.

[path12]

OK, I found something very interesting this morning. In square G2 I found a knife. I'm planning on giving it to the police.

[Alan T]

OK, I found something very interesting this morning. In square G2 I found a knife. I'm planning on giving it to the police.

Did you see anyone else in your square or on your way there?

[Poli]

OK, I found something very interesting this morning. In square G2 I found a knife. I'm planning on giving it to the police.
That's probably a good idea.

[Poli]

Sorry, I know I've been viewing the thread a long time, my wife was on the phone with me.

[Poli]

It looks like Hoops had the gold to accept his appointment! That makes me happy!

Alan, I understand your concern, but it's unwarranted.

[path12]

Did you see anyone else in your square or on your way there?

No. This morning I moved E2-F3-G2 and saw nobody the entire time, just found the knife at the Dock.

I'm not sure what it means -- It's nowhere near where anyone has been killed as of yet, maybe just a random find. Has anyone found any objects randomly at squares they've been to? You don't have to say what it was, I'm just curious if there's stuff around....

[Poli]

I haven't found anything yet.

[KWhit]

No. This morning I moved E2-F3-G2 and saw nobody the entire time, just found the knife at the Dock.

I'm not sure what it means -- It's nowhere near where anyone has been killed as of yet, maybe just a random find. Has anyone found any objects randomly at squares they've been to? You don't have to say what it was, I'm just curious if there's stuff around....
No. Haven't found anything.

[path12]

Unfortunately I didn't see anyone on my little excursion.

So, does this mean hoops is going to have to be quiet for the rest of the day? At this point I think its pretty obvious he was, in fact, telling the truth on blade which makes him one of my most trusted individuals.

I'm having a hard time finding any "new dirt" on anyone at this point. Blade got nailed so quickly that he didn't really have a chance to align himself with anyone else and the only other evidence we have at this point is AE's little SNAFU. At this point I'm leaning towards voting AE, but I'm going to wait to see what today's discussion brings about.

If hoops really is gone, I think that takes at least some of the heat off of AE, but it would sure be nice to get some verification that he's gone to get the navy instead of trapped somewhere.

In my list late last night my top three suspects were AE, Raiders and Vince. We all know the reasons for AE and Raiders -- it's more of a gut feel with Vince -- not just the fact that he was playing devil's advocate on Blade, but there was a comment or two about everything being very murky or unclear; where I felt quite the opposite regarding our friend in the brig. I'll go back and try and find the posts I mean when I get a chance but it's gonna kind of a busy day.

[Qwikshot]

Isn't the dock where Hoops was goin? Kinda concern'd someone didn't gut em like a fish and dump the body in the riv'r.

The ardvark is a mighty peculiar an'm'l...kinda curious what the other greenhorns t'ink.

Need more whiskey...barkeep!!! blort blort blort...

[path12]

Isn't the dock where Hoops was goin? Kinda concern'd someone didn't gut em like a fish and dump the body in the riv'r.

The ardvark is a mighty peculiar an'm'l...kinda curious what the other greenhorns t'ink.

Need more whiskey...barkeep!!! blort blort blort...

Did he need to go the the dock or the seaport?

[path12]

If this works, hoops will be appointed as a captain in the Blahoopian Navy. As such, he can modify his AP tonight to join the Navy...which I'm assuming he did or is doing right now. He will need 10 gold and then leave immediately for the Sea Port (?, I don't recall seeing that on the map) to hire more sailors to rid us of the pirates once and for all.

Not from the letter, barkeep said to expect the recruiting to take 3 days.


Says seaport, but you've got me worried now, Qwiktimer.

[path12]

BTW Saldana, I finally start to trust you in a game and you go and get killed. Crap.

[saldana]

BTW Saldana, I finally start to trust you in a game and you go and get killed. Crap.

damn pirates... at least you didnt get my money.


let that be a lesson for you Path, ...always trust me, its an excellent starting strategy ;)

[Vince]

Working all morning again -- should be off by about 5 PM PST.

Glad to see I'm moving up peoples trust lists...is there anything I could do to assuage your fears? I'm nothing but a plain old treasure hunter, and I'd rather not stay in jail. Kind of bummed that friggin auction guy had to go blare to the world that I have a shovel...I don't want to be a target any more than I have to be.

[Alan T]

Yeah, supposedly Ardent's story has Hoops heading to the seaport which is A-4. I'm not sure this knife is related in any way to Hoops. I was trying to figure out maybe it fell out of some pirates pockets or they had to get away fast or something, but then why end up at G-2? I noticed it was a river square, so maybe washed down the river? Only problem with that theory is its a mountain river square, usually rivers flow away from mountains due to well nature. So I'm not really sure whats up with the knife.

Perhaps the knife is just something totally unrelated and gives you the ability to knight kill someone path (ie: Villager assassin style). Of course, I'm not sure what the local police would think of someone who did that though.

[Schmidty]

When I was in D3 (Elle's Emporium), I saw Taz and Vince. I have no idea what that means, but considering that saldana was killed near the bank, all 3 of us could be suspects I guess.

[Poli]

Out for this stupid career development board. I have to get ready, do some shopping, and get a haircut as well.

[kingfc22]

I have no clue on who to vote for. I almost don't want to vote for anyone since we are only down to 11 today.

SnDvls - dead
Desnudo - dead
Saldana - dead
Hoops - MIA
Raiders - left the treasure hunting business
Blade - Pirate


That leaves:
Path
Alan
Penny
KWhit
Qwik
Gramm
Taz
King
AE
Schmidty
Vince

[Alan T]

well so far its less than 5 hours left, and I think I have the only vote out. So you arent alone king. Because the first two days have been pretty big run away votes for Blade, we haven't really found much in the way of voting habits to go on. So its pretty important to go from here and work on this.

I think Ardent and Vince both are suspicious in my mind, I think Taz has been giving me a weird vibe, and I'm still not sure about Penny. Mostly everyone else I'm pretty neutral on... We need to get some voting going though, thats our best way to narrow down things.

I've noticed that alot more people have been quiet about what they saw yesterday morning (I'm wondering if its because they don't want to get caught in a slipup like Blade and Ardent and Raiders did or not).

[path12]

well so far its less than 5 hours left, and I think I have the only vote out. So you arent alone king. Because the first two days have been pretty big run away votes for Blade, we haven't really found much in the way of voting habits to go on. So its pretty important to go from here and work on this.

The thread title says that the deadline is Sunday at 8AM, so that might be part of why there's not many votes out there right now.

Speaking for myself, I'd love to hear thoughts by some who haven't posted so much such as Gram.

Also wondering if a vote for Raiders position while it is unfilled might be a way to go -- he is definitely on the suspect list and we could then view him to see if he is really the investigator while the replacement is being found.

The other point we'll need to get to at some time is: When do we start trying to figure out a monopoly group? It's been three days and I'm wondering if it might be possible in the next couple of days if we pool correctly.

[kingfc22]

Speaking for myself, I'd love to hear thoughts by some who haven't posted so much such as Gram.

I was going to post the exact same thing. Gram has been very quiet and he also camped out. At least Alan told us why he camped out.

Gram is at the top of my list right now.

[Alan T]

I was going to post the exact same thing. Gram has been very quiet and he also camped out. At least Alan told us why he camped out.

Gram is at the top of my list right now.


I don't know if i find his being quiet right now that suspicious. I'm guessing he doesnt want to become a target from pirates. I was open about what I did because I took the time to ensure that if they got me, they won't benefit from killing me much. If I hadn't done that, I probably would have clammed up too and tried to be forgotten about. I do think it would be helpful though if Gramm starts giving us a little info about his thoughts or what he has seen, or at least something to go on though.

[path12]

I was going to post the exact same thing. Gram has been very quiet and he also camped out. At least Alan told us why he camped out.

Gram is at the top of my list right now.

The silence is not good, and he's climbing up mine also. But I do have to say that at least on morning 2 I saw him going north (though he could certainly have doubled back to the SE).

[path12]

I don't know if i find his being quiet right now that suspicious. I'm guessing he doesnt want to become a target from pirates. I was open about what I did because I took the time to ensure that if they got me, they won't benefit from killing me much. If I hadn't done that, I probably would have clammed up too and tried to be forgotten about. I do think it would be helpful though if Gramm starts giving us a little info about his thoughts or what he has seen, or at least something to go on though.

I hear what you're saying, but hell, we ALL don't want to become a target from pirates......but if we don't put that aside and work together to root them out they'll pick us off one by one. It seems that silence is the new strategy right now, but I don't see where that's gonna help us in the long run.

[Alan T]

I hear what you're saying, but hell, we ALL don't want to become a target from pirates......but if we don't put that aside and work together to root them out they'll pick us off one by one. It seems that silence is the new strategy right now, but I don't see where that's gonna help us in the long run.


No I understand that. Thats why I'm trying to help how I can :) Of course it is day3, this is usually when I die... soo.....

[TazFTW]

When I was in D3 (Elle's Emporium), I saw Taz and Vince. I have no idea what that means, but considering that saldana was killed near the bank, all 3 of us could be suspects I guess.
I saw you at D3 but didn't see Vince. Since both of you bought shovels it would be safe for me to assume that Vince was there at some point and I just didn't see him.

[path12]

The only reason I can see for the pirates to buy shovels is to try and hire the mercenaries, and with one of their number in jail 125 seems like a big number to hit (especially now that we have a better idea of how hard it is to get a quantity of gold). So for me it bumps my trust in Vince and Schmidty a little bit......but with that out there, the auction tonight wouldn't have the same effect.

Is there something I'm missing as to why pirates might want to buy shovels?

[TazFTW]

I wonder why the Shady is auctioning the shovel for 8 gold when you can buy it at Ellie's for 6 gold?

Could there be a limit to the items? The shovel is not out of stock at Ellie's?

[TazFTW]

Is there something I'm missing as to why pirates might want to buy shovels?
To get you to think they're treasure hunters. I'm not saying that Schmidty or Vince falls under this category though (could be).

[Alan T]

The only reason I can see for the pirates to buy shovels is to try and hire the mercenaries, and with one of their number in jail 125 seems like a big number to hit (especially now that we have a better idea of how hard it is to get a quantity of gold). So for me it bumps my trust in Vince and Schmidty a little bit......but with that out there, the auction tonight wouldn't have the same effect.

Is there something I'm missing as to why pirates might want to buy shovels?

Pirates need money for things too. Buying items to move around easier, buying things for more AP, bailing themselves out of jail, etc. The more times they bail out blade, the more times he has to be re-inprisoned, Its almost like this game needs to be played a different way than any other WW. We might be focusing too much on keeping the bad guys locked up rather than trying to horde up money and find out who we can trust (to give money to in wills, and to form a monopoly with).

I feel that if we had a small circle of trust of 3-4 people, we could have a monopoly formed in 2-3 days easily. We need to figure out how to expand our trust more than just keeping Blade locked up.

[Alan T]

To expand on my thought from earlier. I am guessing we had 3 pirates this game (maybe 4, but that would be bad odds for us). So if one is doing the kill, the other one likely is trying to make money. With Blade in jail, I'm guessing we have 1 do the nightly kill and 1 trying to make money each turn.

[path12]

To get you to think they're treasure hunters. I'm not saying that Schmidty or Vince falls under this category though (could be).

I would definitely agree if they had bought the shovels and then told everyone 'HEY, I got a shovel! See!' But it looks to me as if they were just outed on the purchase by the announcement of the last shovel in stock....

[path12]

To expand on my thought from earlier. I am guessing we had 3 pirates this game (maybe 4, but that would be bad odds for us). So if one is doing the kill, the other one likely is trying to make money. With Blade in jail, I'm guessing we have 1 do the nightly kill and 1 trying to make money each turn.

I think that there are three pirate roles and therefore three pirates. I don't think there are any plain vanilla pirates or any two cutthroats, scourges, etc.

I do think that there are multiple roles for the treasure hunters though, more than one athlete, investigator, etc. Just a hunch.

Hadn't thought about the pirates needing money for items, etc. That's a good point. I just figured they'd use what they got from the kills.

[TazFTW]

I would definitely agree if they had bought the shovels and then told everyone 'HEY, I got a shovel! See!' But it looks to me as if they were just outed on the purchase by the announcement of the last shovel in stock....
In the rules, certain items purchased are publicly announced.

Afternoon Cycle: Blahoop is very hot in the afternoon and so people don’t do much of anything except lie about. During this cycle I will send out results of individual’s Morning cycle and public information, such as the revelation of certain items bought (after all, how are you going to hide a bike in a hut with nothing, but a whole bunch of hammocks?) and who has died, will be posted to the thread. Any player killed will have their role revealed.
If they knew that was in the rules, then they can use the shovels to say, "why would a pirate need a shovel?".

[path12]

In the rules, certain items purchased are publicly announced.


If they knew that was in the rules, then they can use the shovels to say, "why would a pirate need a shovel?".

That's a great catch. I had completely missed that.

[Schmidty]

To get you to think they're treasure hunters. I'm not saying that Schmidty or Vince falls under this category though (could be).

You're really reaching there, but that's fine.

I bought a shovel because I wanted to get more gold. Simple as that.

[Grammaticus]

Alright, so basically it is evening cycle until 8am on Sunday, right? So we are all back in the hut. I do not believe anyone is missing, so no campers this round? Hoops is the only one Shady said is missing. I do not believe that Hoops ever confirmed he received the letter. Why would he not have told us that outright prior to leaving?

A few things, the last time I posted I was on my way out of town for an overnight trip to Atlanta. Unfortunately I did not get to hook up to the net and thought it best prior to leaving to plan on a camp action, since I would be out of pocket for two real world days and one night. I arrived back yesterday afternoon, but could not post as that was the rule advised as a reminder to me via PM by Barkeep. Then watched the Olympics last night and went to work. I read up and have about 3 pages as a gap somewhere around page 14 to catch up yet.

I think some people saw me heading north and therefore away from the kills. That is correct I have been north each turn. I too have found different amounts on the same square. I have not tried to hit a square after receiving zero, so I don’t know if anything replenishes. My guess would be, no it does not. Also of note, I have not received any notice of seeing anyone while out. I think that is very odd as everyone else has seen each other or in Blades case, unidentifiable figures. In Blades case, I think he is full of it on that one and is telling a lie. He must be a pirate and probably saw everyone in that square. In my case other saw me, I would think I would have seen them as well, but I did not. I must be crappy as spotting others.

Can someone help me out, why does everyone think Ardent has a high probability of being a pirate? Did he get outed in some way that I missed trying to catch up on post reading?

[KWhit]

Hey look!

Gramm sighting!

:)

[KWhit]

Can someone help me out, why does everyone think Ardent has a high probability of being a pirate? Did he get outed in some way that I missed trying to catch up on post reading?
I don't remember where it was in the thread, but he posted his move actions and it didn't add up. He claimed that he didn't have fleet of foot, but his moves totaled 6 AP. He claims that Barkeep must have made a mistake and is standing by his original statements. Barkeep hasn't commented on the issue at all.

[Poli]

Just got back from the career development board. I want those two hours of my life back. What a waste!

Gramm: I apparently crossed a river during the first time out digging. I didn't know I was, but apparently I did. I posted what I sent to barkeep here, and people pointed it out. I still believe it was an error by barkeep, who had made a PM error earlier in the game regarding Raiders Army and pennywisesb.

I got a little ticked off and just about quit the game. I decided to bid on the letter that was offered not for my benefit, but to keep the rest of the treasure hunters from winning the game. Sorry, but it's the truth. Sometimes when I get ticked I no longer try to win, I try to keep you from winning, if that makes sense. I could explain the story behind that another time.

Anyway, the letter turned out to be an appointment as Captain to the blahoopian (?) Navy, but required 10 gold. I gave my gold previously to hoops and gave him the letter. He now has three day cycles out of the game before he returns with sailors he's recruited. In essence, we win.

[Poli]

I don't remember where it was in the thread, but he posted his move actions and it didn't add up. He claimed that he didn't have fleet of foot, but his moves totaled 6 AP. He claims that Barkeep must have made a mistake and is standing by his original statements. Barkeep hasn't commented on the issue at all.
What he said.

[kingfc22]

I decided to bid on the letter that was offered not for my benefit, but to keep the rest of the treasure hunters from winning the game. Sorry, but it's the truth. Sometimes when I get ticked I no longer try to win, I try to keep you from winning, if that makes sense. I could explain the story behind that another time.

Anyway, the letter turned out to be an appointment as Captain to the blahoopian (?) Navy, but required 10 gold. I gave my gold previously to hoops and gave him the letter. He now has three day cycles out of the game before he returns with sailors he's recruited. In essence, we win.
Huh????? So you don't want us to win AND you sent our most trusted person out of the game for 3 days.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Grammaticus]

Just got back from the career development board. I want those two hours of my life back. What a waste!

Gramm: I apparently crossed a river during the first time out digging. I didn't know I was, but apparently I did. I posted what I sent to barkeep here, and people pointed it out. I still believe it was an error by barkeep, who had made a PM error earlier in the game regarding Raiders Army and pennywisesb.

I got a little ticked off and just about quit the game. I decided to bid on the letter that was offered not for my benefit, but to keep the rest of the treasure hunters from winning the game. Sorry, but it's the truth. Sometimes when I get ticked I no longer try to win, I try to keep you from winning, if that makes sense. I could explain the story behind that another time.

Anyway, the letter turned out to be an appointment as Captain to the blahoopian (?) Navy, but required 10 gold. I gave my gold previously to hoops and gave him the letter. He now has three day cycles out of the game before he returns with sailors he's recruited. In essence, we win.
So how do we win with Sailors? Did the letter say we win? The only way for us TH to win is to achieve monopoly. I do not understand how sailors coming to this crap hole of an island makes us TH winners.

[Poli]

So how do we win with Sailors? Did the letter say we win? The only way for us TH to win is to achieve monopoly. I do not understand how sailors coming to this crap hole of an island makes us TH winners.
It's an alternative victory condition. Let me go look it up.

[KWhit]

I gave my gold previously to hoops and gave him the letter.
When did you do that?

[KWhit]

When did you do that?
I mean, when did you give him your gold?

[Poli]

It states upon return to the island the treasure hunters win. It doesn't state how the sailors wipe out the pirates or anything along those lines.

Actually, it's not even the letter. That part is outside of the letter, but in the PM from barkeep. Upon return to the island with the recruited sailors, we win.

[Poli]

I mean, when did you give him your gold?Umm, the first chance I could. I don't remember the timeline. I had the 4 gold to view blade, but everyone was giving me crap about it. I gave it to hoops, who I trusted up to that point.

[Grammaticus]

No. This morning I moved E2-F3-G2 and saw nobody the entire time, just found the knife at the Dock.

I'm not sure what it means -- It's nowhere near where anyone has been killed as of yet, maybe just a random find. Has anyone found any objects randomly at squares they've been to? You don't have to say what it was, I'm just curious if there's stuff around....
What were you doing at the dock? Did you see Hoops there? Also, are you crazy, why are you even thinking of giving the knife to the keystone cops? Those numbskulls will probably give it to the Pirates or something like that. Ask Barkeep what you can do with the knife. You can probably commit some kind of kill (not that you would really want to do that). But you could look out and see if you can spot a pirate, then whacking him with the knife would be a good move.

[Grammaticus]

dola, the knife may mean you can fight a pirate if they try to kill you.

[Grammaticus]

Umm, the first chance I could. I don't remember the timeline. I had the 4 gold to view blade, but everyone was giving me crap about it. I gave it to hoops, who I trusted up to that point.
Anything you give to someone is viewed publicly, unless you use an action to hand it to him during the treasure hunting phase.

[KWhit]

Umm, the first chance I could. I don't remember the timeline. I had the 4 gold to view blade, but everyone was giving me crap about it. I gave it to hoops, who I trusted up to that point.
Hmmm..... I don't know if I buy that or not. Recently hoops posted this:


Post 717:
Also, if people don't mind doing it during the evening cycle I would appreciate whatever help feel they can provide on the 4 GP cost to bribe the official. Heck, just go to the square I specified earlier to get the gold back :)

I would rather people do this during the afternoon/evening so it doesn't cost anyone movement points during the day cycle if they are moved by my sudden poverty. In all seriousness, spending 4 GP today and not having many actions to get funds back will put me a little behind in the race.

I don't think he would have posted that if AE gave him 4gp.

Hmmmm......

[kingfc22]

From the rules

Note: All pirates start the game with walkie talkies, replacement batteries, and 1 knife for the group.

[Poli]

Anything you give to someone is viewed publicly, unless you use an action to hand it to him during the treasure hunting phase.
Right, and I did just that.

[Poli]

Hmmm..... I don't know if I buy that or not. Recently hoops posted this:


Post 717:


I don't think he would have posted that if AE gave him 4gp.

Hmmmm......
Say what you will. I gave him 4 gold. The requirement to take the appointment was 10 gold. He obviously had more gold than he was letting on.

[kingfc22]

Say what you will. I gave him 4 gold. The requirement to take the appointment was 10 gold. He obviously had more gold than he was letting on.I don't see how. He dug in F6 on day 1. I dug in the same spot and it only gave 2 GP per dig. He dug twice for a total of 4 GP. Then he presumably viewed Blade (4 GP). I doubt he was able to collect 10 GP from that point til the time you gave him the letter.

[Poli]

I don't know how he got it together, but he did.

[path12]

What were you doing at the dock? Did you see Hoops there? Also, are you crazy, why are you even thinking of giving the knife to the keystone cops? Those numbskulls will probably give it to the Pirates or something like that. Ask Barkeep what you can do with the knife. You can probably commit some kind of kill (not that you would really want to do that). But you could look out and see if you can spot a pirate, then whacking him with the knife would be a good move.

I was at that dock square because I wanted to test that mountain/river gold rate. I saw nobody my entire turn this morning......and according to AE, the letter says hoops has to go to the seaport which is about as far from where I was as you can get.

As for clarification as to what I could do with the knife, believe me I asked and don't have any specific answer at all. I thought about destroying it but was worried about it somehow coming back to me/or a pirate finding it and repairing it in someway so they could have two. I also didn't want it found on me with all the assumptions that would entail, and finally I wanted to get the rest of the TH's opinions on it, and see if there were other random finds or not.

I'm kicking myself about not thinking about your idea about using it to protect myself from an attack (doh!). I was more worried about having it discovered without telling anyone.

[Poli]

I did know this much:

I didn't have the 10 gold, and there was no way to get the 10 gold before you guys jailed me. No one would have listened to me about the letter. I gave it to the person I gave my gold to.

[path12]

I don't see how. He dug in F6 on day 1. I dug in the same spot and it only gave 2 GP per dig. He dug twice for a total of 4 GP. Then he presumably viewed Blade (4 GP). I doubt he was able to collect 10 GP from that point til the time you gave him the letter.

He also gave me a gold with his first AP. I'm not liking the sounds of this.

[Poli]

I was at that dock square because I wanted to test that mountain/river gold rate. I saw nobody my entire turn this morning......and according to AE, the letter says hoops has to go to the seaport which is about as far from where I was as you can get.

As for clarification as to what I could do with the knife, believe me I asked and don't have any specific answer at all. I thought about destroying it but was worried about it somehow coming back to me/or a pirate finding it and repairing it in someway so they could have two. I also didn't want it found on me with all the assumptions that would entail, and finally I wanted to get the rest of the TH's opinions on it, and see if there were other random finds or not.

I'm kicking myself about not thinking about your idea about using it to protect myself from an attack (doh!). I was more worried about having it discovered without telling anyone.
Is it too late? Can you get it back?

[Poli]

Hmmm.

[path12]

Is it too late? Can you get it back?

I've still got it as far as I know.

[Poli]

Did hoops ever say how much he had on day 1?

[Poli]

I've still got it as far as I know.You should be set then.

[kingfc22]

He also gave me a gold with his first AP. I'm not liking the sounds of this.Of course if Hoops is a Pirate we are screwed. Could he have kept the gold and "outed" Blade gaining our trust. Knowing that even if any of us did view Blade later on they would still find that he was a Pirate.

[path12]

Of course if Hoops is a Pirate we are screwed. Could he have kept the gold and "outed" Blade gaining our trust. Knowing that even if any of us did view Blade later on they would still find that he was a Pirate.

I'm still planning on viewing Blade independently. 4 gold to get a verification seems cheap if you ask me.

[path12]

Of course if Hoops is a Pirate we are screwed. Could he have kept the gold and "outed" Blade gaining our trust. Knowing that even if any of us did view Blade later on they would still find that he was a Pirate.

Oops, didn't catch your second part of that. If that's the case though, where is he? Camping out to try and fool us?

[kingfc22]

Oops, didn't catch your second part of that. If that's the case though, where is he? Camping out to try and fool us?I dunno, but I wonder why there is no mention in the recap.

[Alan T]

It states upon return to the island the treasure hunters win. It doesn't state how the sailors wipe out the pirates or anything along those lines.

Actually, it's not even the letter. That part is outside of the letter, but in the PM from barkeep. Upon return to the island with the recruited sailors, we win.

You see, this is why I don't believe this story...

There is 0 way for the pirates to kill all 14-15 or so of us in 5 days total time. Thats the 2 days before the letter was introduced, and 3 days with hoops being gone. So you mean to tell me that barkeep would introduce an item so powerful that it single handedly wins the game for us by day 5 regardless of all the other stuff everyone else is doing?

That either sounds like a very anti-climatic ending, or just too far fetched for me to believe..

I dunno, maybe you are telling complete truth, but I am 100% skeptical that such a powerful thing has been introduced into the game, and at least some part if not all of this is a fabrication.

My vote right now is for Ardent (I believe I am the only one who has voted so far), but this revelation has convinced me unless someone else comes out and goes "hey guys, I'm a pirate", my vote will stay with Ardent.

[Poli]

I'm currently trying to see if hoops mentioned how much he had on day 1.

[Poli]

That, and playing the lost knights.

[Poli]

err, the last knights.

[Alan T]

Ok going to try thinking this out loud a different way....

Ardent says he gave an item to Hoops which will let us win the game...

So Either:

1) Ardent is lying, trying to stay out of jail..

2) Ardent is telling the truth, and when hoops comes back in 3 days we win.

Well if it is #2, there is nothing any of us can do, it's out of our hands. The pirates can't kill us all off in that time (unless there is just that many of them).

If its #1, then we should jail Ardent like i have been saying...

If we wrongfully imprison Ardent and we will win like he is saying, well it won't kill us since we will win anyways.. so I can not think of any reason NOT to jail Ardent

[Poli]

I think I may have this mapped out now.

Hoops dug 3 times in the same spot on day 1. He got 6 gold.

Day 2. He loses 4 gold viewing blade, but I gave him 4 gold. I doubt anyone else gave him gold that time.

Night 2. Path gave him 1 gold.

Day 3. Hoop has 11 gold, give path his 1 gold, and still has his 10 gold.

I might be missing something, I don't know.

[Poli]

If we wrongfully imprison Ardent and we will win like he is saying, well it won't kill us since we will win anyways.. so I can not think of any reason NOT to jail Ardent
I'd rather not think along those lines since I put my neck out for all of you. I very well could have kept the letter to myself and let you jail me with it.

By the way, barkeep clarified for me that the letter was considered a small item and could be transferred, this was after I complained that the letter wasn't going to do me a whole lot of good in jail.

[Poli]

By the way, I just saw a guest in here. Looks like we have at least one pirate watching us from the outside.

[Alan T]

I'd rather not think along those lines since I put my neck out for all of you. I very well could have kept the letter to myself and let you jail me with it.

By the way, barkeep clarified for me that the letter was considered a small item and could be transferred, this was after I complained that the letter wasn't going to do me a whole lot of good in jail.


Can you give me a good logical reason, knowing what we as a group know so far, why jailing you would be a bad idea? Or give us your thoughts on who a better choice would be?

I guess what I am saying is, If you are a good guy, and what you are telling us is true, jailing you won't lose the game for us.

If you are a bad guy, and you are lying, then NOT jailing you possibly could lose it for us.

Right now to me its about risk management, and there is far greater risk letting you walk around freely right now than to place you behind bars. Putting you in jail does not remove you from the game, does not kill you, and you always can get bailed out later.

[path12]

2) Ardent is telling the truth, and when hoops comes back in 3 days we win.

Well if it is #2, there is nothing any of us can do, it's out of our hands. The pirates can't kill us all off in that time (unless there is just that many of them).



And it's gonna be even harder if they only have the one knife....unless the rest of them found knives also....

[path12]

I think I may have this mapped out now.

Hoops dug 3 times in the same spot on day 1. He got 6 gold.

Day 2. He loses 4 gold viewing blade, but I gave him 4 gold. I doubt anyone else gave him gold that time.

Night 2. Path gave him 1 gold.

Day 3. Hoop has 11 gold, give path his 1 gold, and still has his 10 gold.

I might be missing something, I don't know.

I've gotta run for awhile, but AE, is there a post number where you give the gold to hoops?

[Poli]

Can you give me a good logical reason, knowing what we as a group know so far, why jailing you would be a bad idea? Or give us your thoughts on who a better choice would be?

I guess what I am saying is, If you are a good guy, and what you are telling us is true, jailing you won't lose the game for us.

If you are a bad guy, and you are lying, then NOT jailing you possibly could lose it for us.

Right now to me its about risk management, and there is far greater risk letting you walk around freely right now than to place you behind bars. Putting you in jail does not remove you from the game, does not kill you, and you always can get bailed out later.
Honestly? I worry about you, I worry about Gramm, and I worry about Vince. I worry about Qwikshot (who has made fun of us all, in character or not, it doesn't matter).

Jailing me is just taking a treasure hunter off the path. It leaves one more pirate out there killing us. I seriously doubt you will see the pirates digging anymore. I imagine they will pull out all the stops to kill as many of us as they can.

Like I said, I have helped this group out tremendously, even after I was pissed off and nearly quit. We're going to win in three days if we can hold out. Jailing me won't do us a bit of good. We need to look for the pirates.

[Poli]

I've gotta run for awhile, but AE, is there a post number where you give the gold to hoops?
No, it was my first AP the other night.

[Poli]

Right now to me its about risk management, and there is far greater risk letting you walk around freely right now than to place you behind bars. Putting you in jail does not remove you from the game, does not kill you, and you always can get bailed out later.
And I know all about risk management, and I don't think you're looking at it correctly, which worries me.

[Alan T]

Honestly? I worry about you, I worry about Gramm, and I worry about Vince. I worry about Qwikshot (who has made fun of us all, in character or not, it doesn't matter).

Jailing me is just taking a treasure hunter off the path. It leaves one more pirate out there killing us. I seriously doubt you will see the pirates digging anymore. I imagine they will pull out all the stops to kill as many of us as they can.

Like I said, I have helped this group out tremendously, even after I was pissed off and nearly quit. We're going to win in three days if we can hold out. Jailing me won't do us a bit of good. We need to look for the pirates.


What besides my arguement for wanting to jail you worries you about me?

Second question, why does your list of people you worry about contain seemingly 4 of the 5 or 6 people who appear to be trying the most to help the treasure hunters reach a monopoly?

[Alan T]

ok, I have a third and forth question for you Ardent


3) Do you believe hoops in that Blade is a pirate?

4) How many pirates do you think started in this game, and how many do you think are still out?

[Poli]

What besides my arguement for wanting to jail you worries you about me?

Second question, why does your list of people you worry about contain seemingly 4 of the 5 or 6 people who appear to be trying the most to help the treasure hunters reach a monopoly?
Your camping out concerns me, and the overzealous nature of wanting to jail me even though I've done my absolute best to help.

I don't know. I don't know much more than you.

[Poli]

ok, I have a third and forth question for you Ardent


3) Do you believe hoops in that Blade is a pirate?

4) How many pirates do you think started in this game, and how many do you think are still out?
Yeah, I do. I believe hoops went and examined blade. I trust hoops, which is why I gave him the letter.

No clue. Two maybe? How many do you think are out there?

Do you believe hoops in that blade is a pirate?

[Poli]

Sorry, I'm getting tired of answering questions when all I've tried to do is help. I'd like you to answer some.

[Alan T]

Sorry, I'm getting tired of answering questions when all I've tried to do is help. I'd like you to answer some.


Sure, no problem it can go both ways. :) i already said I think we started with 3 and Blade is a pirate, so my guess is there are two left.

[Poli]

Just a little frustrated is all. I'm over it now. :)

[Poli]

I mean, I realize jail isn't going to kill me, but I just think we'd be better off finding a pirate instead.

[Alan T]

I mean, I realize jail isn't going to kill me, but I just think we'd be better off finding a pirate instead.


Thats why I was asking who you thought would be good targets to jail instead of you. My only problem was when you gave me your list, almost everyone except one person you listed is higher up my trust list.

Right now it appears to me that your view of our group and my view are complete 180s. The only two people we seem to agree on is Hoops and Blade.

[Poli]

Well, I'm going to have way too much time on my hands over the weekend. I work 12 hours tonight, and 12 hours tomorrow night as well.

I'll see what I can "dig" up.

I do have to study and write some papers for that APA class, but I'll try to divert some time to the game as well.

[saldana]

how did my hair look at my funeral?

[Qwikshot]

how did my hair look at my funeral?


I don't think you had a head?

Now I'm just a saying...and don't you get all in a tizzy Ardvark...but methinks it's a little of a stretch that in three days theres gonna be more Quagmires hanging round busting pirate skull...I was a-hoping that there Hoops would give some sorta message before going...for sucha prof'sonal, sure as hell, hightailed outta here faster than a jackrabbit on a date...

Doubts to me, yeah yeah...every'ne got doubts...but y'wanna jail me, go right ahead, I know the score...I know the line...

I still gots doubts about GreenhornArmy (ooc - nothing official has been stated by barkeep, lest I missed something), and Ardvark, as helpful as he says he is...isn't beyond my old cataract milky eye...

So I says to Mister Ardvark, wouldja mind a night in the cell? I you are an innocent, I'd be happy to pull bail for ye, sure would ease mah mind, someone could get the guards to vouch for ya and we'd be sitting until the calvary comes...

All this talk is making us forget the ultimate goal to get some GOLD...

But what do I know...just an ole man...

[Grammaticus]

It states upon return to the island the treasure hunters win. It doesn't state how the sailors wipe out the pirates or anything along those lines.

Actually, it's not even the letter. That part is outside of the letter, but in the PM from barkeep. Upon return to the island with the recruited sailors, we win.
I just don't think this makes much sense. A victory condition that allows you to just pay 10 gold and hire the navy in 3 turns to win seems way out there. There are not any conditions listed that allow the whole group of TH to win, but this letter is the silver bullet. I don't buy it. How was it communicated that it was a win. Barkeep say outright that it was a win or was it implied?

Plus, your list of bad guys is not really good. I'm 99% sure that Qwickshot is a good guy and I'm pretty sure AlanT is too, maybe 66% so.

[Grammaticus]

I think I may have this mapped out now.

Hoops dug 3 times in the same spot on day 1. He got 6 gold.

Day 2. He loses 4 gold viewing blade, but I gave him 4 gold. I doubt anyone else gave him gold that time.

Night 2. Path gave him 1 gold.

Day 3. Hoop has 11 gold, give path his 1 gold, and still has his 10 gold.

I might be missing something, I don't know.
Alright, I'm pretty poor at math. How does this add up. If he digs and starts with 6 gold, then on day 2 loses 4 that equals 2 left. Then you give him 4, that is back up to a total of 6. On night 2, path gives him 1 gold, now he is at a total of 7 gold. Then hoops gave path back a gold and he is back to 6 gold, not 10. Did I miss anything?

[Qwikshot]

Sorry Mister Ardvark...if I'm wrong I'll give you all m'gold.

Vote AE


OOC - AE don't take offense, it's just awfully suspicious, and my offer stands, if you are clean, you got my gold and my back.

[TazFTW]

You see, this is why I don't believe this story...

There is 0 way for the pirates to kill all 14-15 or so of us in 5 days total time. Thats the 2 days before the letter was introduced, and 3 days with hoops being gone. So you mean to tell me that barkeep would introduce an item so powerful that it single handedly wins the game for us by day 5 regardless of all the other stuff everyone else is doing?

That either sounds like a very anti-climatic ending, or just too far fetched for me to believe..
Maybe there are more pirates than the usual ratio.

[Qwikshot]

Plus 3 days waitin, means 3 dead treasure hunters, and time is always gonna be on the pirates side...we can't delay and hope for sailors...what good are sailors on land anyways (ooc - NO OFFENSE TO ANY NAVY PERSONNEL)...I think we keep weeding out the bad ones...keep digging the gold ones...and keep kicking back the cold ones...

I'm not one to be downcast, but I think Hoops is dead.

[Poli]

Alright, I'm pretty poor at math. How does this add up. If he digs and starts with 6 gold, then on day 2 loses 4 that equals 2 left. Then you give him 4, that is back up to a total of 6. On night 2, path gives him 1 gold, now he is at a total of 7 gold. Then hoops gave path back a gold and he is back to 6 gold, not 10. Did I miss anything?
He did dig the second day, I believe king vouched for that. I knew I was probably missing something. Thanks.

[Poli]

Sorry Mister Ardvark...if I'm wrong I'll give you all m'gold.

Vote AE


OOC - AE don't take offense, it's just awfully suspicious, and my offer stands, if you are clean, you got my gold and my back.
I really tire of you calling people names, in character or not.

Vote Qwik

[Poli]

Plus 3 days waitin, means 3 dead treasure hunters, and time is always gonna be on the pirates side...we can't delay and hope for sailors...what good are sailors on land anyways (ooc - NO OFFENSE TO ANY NAVY PERSONNEL)...I think we keep weeding out the bad ones...keep digging the gold ones...and keep kicking back the cold ones...

I'm not one to be downcast, but I think Hoops is dead.
There's no way hoops is dead, or it would be on the first post. At least, I assume it would be.

[Poli]

I just don't think this makes much sense. A victory condition that allows you to just pay 10 gold and hire the navy in 3 turns to win seems way out there. There are not any conditions listed that allow the whole group of TH to win, but this letter is the silver bullet. I don't buy it. How was it communicated that it was a win. Barkeep say outright that it was a win or was it implied?

Plus, your list of bad guys is not really good. I'm 99% sure that Qwickshot is a good guy and I'm pretty sure AlanT is too, maybe 66% so.
Well, Path did find a knife. Maybe there are ways for the Pirates to have multiple kills. Got me.

[Vince]

Hrm. So many different things to do...and who can trust anyone? I don't want to cast doubt, because I trust him too, but why does anyone trust Alan T? Is there anything specific he has done that would earn trust?

I'm also apparently a little suspicious to everyone, which I don't mind terribly...it might act as a partial shield from Pirate activity (whenever I've been a bad guy, I like to leave the 'suspicious' ones around, to keep heat off of myself and the rest of the bad guys).

I re-iterate, if there's anything someone can think of that I can do to earn that trust back, I'd be happy to volunteer. At this point, though, I think we have to see what is going to happen. Hoops can't be outside the tent for more than one night on the island, so he's either truly recruiting sailors, he's dead, or he's coming back tomorrow. I'm with Alan in that I don't see a benefit to keeping Ardent out of jail -- he has no gold, and seemingly no items that could help us out. Why not throw him in there? We can scan him, and if he's clean, we'll bail him out later. On top of that, I can't think of anyone else to put in there.

I think that, trust in others or not, we need to at least START to establish a plan. Right now, we're pretty disorganized, and mostly fending for ourselves (at least I have been...). If we want to get that 100 gold together, it's going to be difficult to say the least the way we have been going. I'm going to try a different tactic tomorrow, but at this point I'm not feeling very sure of our chances if we are completely erratic.

To this point, my plan has been to find the yield of as many squares as possible, hoping to find a nice, high-yield square. I know the yield of 5 squares, and have yet to be impressed by any of them. Like I said, I'm going to try something different tomorrow, we'll see if it gives me any better return.

[Qwikshot]

I really tire of you calling people names, in character or not.

Vote Qwik


OOC-Okay, if this a true complaint from even just one person, I will stop, this isn't a joke or anything...I will use handles without alteration.

[Qwikshot]

There's no way hoops is dead, or it would be on the first post. At least, I assume it would be.

I figure after 3 days his body will turn up.

[Poli]

I'd appreciate it. I already feel like I'm working against the crowd here. Being called names just irritates me, joke or not.

[Poli]

I figure after 3 days his body will turn up.Have a little faith.

[kingfc22]

Vince I have been using the same strategy and know the total from 6 squares. None of the squares that I have digged in has produced more than 2 GP at a time.

I also agree that we need to formulate a plan or at least get a couple of individuals that can trust each other.

Has anyone used a watch command? If so, would you be willing to say who you watched and what they did?

[Poli]

Someone has. At least, Qwik said he was being watched.

[Vince]

Since I knew I wasn't going to be at the computer much for this game (stupid work schedule), I figured I'd try a different strategy...which is to not really have much of a group strategy. I usually sit here and spit out a stream of my thoughts continually, analyzing anything and everything. This time, with the added twist of having a potentially selfish goal, I've been a little more 'me-first' than in a typical game where I'm usually willing to put myself out there as long as the good guys win. In this game, I've been trying to be a bit more low profile, I haven't bothered with watching anyone, and I haven't bothered with ID-ing anyone who has been in jail (even though both times I have had the gold to do so). I'm pretty sure that a change in my strategy is in order, because it seems like I've gotten more gold in this game than most other people (at least the ones who are talking about it :)), and I really don't have much gold at all. Since we need 100 gold, and I'm guessing our Monopoly is going to end up being something on the order of 4-6 people, we're all going to need about 20 gold to pull this off.

125 might be a lot for the pirates, but remember that they not only get their own gold (which they can pool on one person completely and totally easily, since they can communicate), but they get ALL the gold on the person of anyone they kill. So they also have SnDvls' gold (if he had dug at all yet on day one) and all of Saldana's gold. If they kill someone tomorrow, they also get all of HIS gold.

What I'm trying to figure out is whether or not I should keep up my strategy of mining every square I possibly can until I find something good, or if I should try to get in touch with someone (anyone) via the messaging service (which, in my opinion, has been largely underutilized to this point, unless people just don't want to talk to me :)) to organize something.

[Vince]

Ok, re-reading things, doesn't this quote:

[color=green]Well I suppose that means Hoopsguy has escaped this paradise and won while all of you are stuck here. No matter.
Make it seem like Hoops gets a victory, and he pretty much isn't coming back? Perhaps Ardent misinterpreted the note?

[Alan T]

Hrm. So many different things to do...and who can trust anyone? I don't want to cast doubt, because I trust him too, but why does anyone trust Alan T? Is there anything specific he has done that would earn trust?

I'm also apparently a little suspicious to everyone, which I don't mind terribly...it might act as a partial shield from Pirate activity (whenever I've been a bad guy, I like to leave the 'suspicious' ones around, to keep heat off of myself and the rest of the bad guys).

I re-iterate, if there's anything someone can think of that I can do to earn that trust back, I'd be happy to volunteer. At this point, though, I think we have to see what is going to happen. Hoops can't be outside the tent for more than one night on the island, so he's either truly recruiting sailors, he's dead, or he's coming back tomorrow. I'm with Alan in that I don't see a benefit to keeping Ardent out of jail -- he has no gold, and seemingly no items that could help us out. Why not throw him in there? We can scan him, and if he's clean, we'll bail him out later. On top of that, I can't think of anyone else to put in there.

I think that, trust in others or not, we need to at least START to establish a plan. Right now, we're pretty disorganized, and mostly fending for ourselves (at least I have been...). If we want to get that 100 gold together, it's going to be difficult to say the least the way we have been going. I'm going to try a different tactic tomorrow, but at this point I'm not feeling very sure of our chances if we are completely erratic.

To this point, my plan has been to find the yield of as many squares as possible, hoping to find a nice, high-yield square. I know the yield of 5 squares, and have yet to be impressed by any of them. Like I said, I'm going to try something different tomorrow, we'll see if it gives me any better return.


Just for the record, I'm not asking for people to trust me blindly. I don't really have full trust in anyone yet. What I do ask is you listen to my reasons for jailing Ardent, and if you have a better alternative, present it. Right now based on what Ardent says, I don't see any reason not to do my approach.

[Vince]

I know -- like I said, I'm not trying to rouse suspicion, it's just that there are a few of us who seem to have you right up at the top of the list right now (taking Hoops' spot, probably) and I want to keep the discussion flowing. The 'why' of our trust in you might help in building more.

[Alan T]

I know -- like I said, I'm not trying to rouse suspicion, it's just that there are a few of us who seem to have you right up at the top of the list right now (taking Hoops' spot, probably) and I want to keep the discussion flowing. The 'why' of our trust in you might help in building more.


Im guessing its mainly because so far I've been confirmed away from the deaths every day, I pressed hard against Blade, and I've tried to be open with my actions. However I don't fully trust anyone yet, and would expect the same of me from others.

[path12]

Vince I have been using the same strategy and know the total from 6 squares. None of the squares that I have digged in has produced more than 2 GP at a time.

I also agree that we need to formulate a plan or at least get a couple of individuals that can trust each other.

Has anyone used a watch command? If so, would you be willing to say who you watched and what they did?

I have found two squares that produced more than 2 gold per dig.

And I also agree that the trick right now is finding which of us is trustworthy. I can think of a group of four or five of us that I would feel pretty good about, but in this game more than most it seems like one bad guess can really hurt....and there very well could be a bad guess in that group. But we're gonna have to get there soon.

[Alan T]

I have found two squares that produced more than 2 gold per dig.

And I also agree that the trick right now is finding which of us is trustworthy. I can think of a group of four or five of us that I would feel pretty good about, but in this game more than most it seems like one bad guess can really hurt....and there very well could be a bad guess in that group. But we're gonna have to get there soon.


Ive been trying to think of how to do this. If we can get a small group of 4-5 who seem trustworthy with enough money to form a monopoly we can try, then 1 of 2 things might happen..

1) Its denied because someone in our ranks is a pirate
2) someone dies and we dont have enough money.

[kingfc22]

As soon as Barkeep comes in, I will imploy my new strategy. Hopefully, it doesn't backfire.

[kingfc22]

Vince - where did you get that quote about hoops from?

[Poli]

He got it from barkeep's last post.

[kingfc22]

He got it from barkeep's last post.Thanks, totally misread that post.

[Poli]

I really hate the 2300-1100 watch.

[Poli]

Has blade really only posted once all day?

[kingfc22]

VOTE AE

I hope you are not bad, but this will either clear you or we will have our 2nd Pirate in jail.

[Poli]

/shakes head.

You guys don't get it. I should have just kept the letter to myself and let the pirates pick you off one by one.

I'm gong to my hole. I'm quitting this game.

[Poli]

My PM is sent. I'm out of this game. I'd say it's been fun, but it hasn't.

[kingfc22]

/shakes head.

You guys don't get it. I should have just kept the letter to myself and let the pirates pick you off one by one.

I'm gong to my hole. I'm quitting this game.Ok here is what the rest of us are thinking:

1) Something about your day 1 story did not add up.
2) You are a pirate and that's good for the TH that you are in jail.
3) You are a TH and will be cleared which will make you the most trusted since Hoops is gone.
4) We have no evidence against anyone else.

[kingfc22]

My PM is sent. I'm out of this game. I'd say it's been fun, but it hasn't.Ugh, why do people even sign up for WW games if they are just going to quit.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/mad.gif

Everyone who has played one of these games has been a villager in the cross hairs and there is nothing you can do about it, but to try and make a case against someone else. If it is believable then people change their vote. Right now most of us don't see a better option.

And it's not like other games where you are dead. In this game you are in a perfect spot. The Pirates aren't going to kill you since you are under suspicion. You will be in jail for a single day if the evidence shows you are a TH. If you are revealed as a TH, you will be the most trusted person remaining in the game.

[TazFTW]

With Saldana's death, I wonder if the pirate with the knife is patrolling the bank square, knowing that eventually a treasure hunter will enter it wanting to go to the bank.

Maybe we can jail hoops and the police will bring him back. :D (for those that think he is being converted)

[Grammaticus]

With Saldana's death, I wonder if the pirate with the knife is patrolling the bank square, knowing that eventually a treasure hunter will enter it wanting to go to the bank.

Maybe we can jail hoops and the police will bring him back. :D (for those that think he is being converted)
I've been thinking this for some time now, but did not think it the best thing to post, cause if it were not the case then now it probably is :(

[TazFTW]

I've been thinking this for some time now, but did not think it the best thing to post, cause if it were not the case then now it probably is :(
Doh!

However, if the pirate with the knife is camping at the bank then the treasure hunters can now dig safely without ever having to worry about being killed while digging.

Maybe use a hide command when entering the square or after you finish your banking.

[Grammaticus]

For those of you who are TH, you probably should be hitting mountain squares or river/mountain squares. The blank squares and squares close to the hut seem to be low yield.

I'm thinking monopoly is a thing to be thinking about now, as Vince is on that track as well. How do we start to estimate if we have enough gold. How do you guys feel about if someone announces their gold and we watch them each turn to see who tries to kill them? The watcher should be able to keep watching the person each turn, but the person being watched will know it after one turn and attempt to automatically hide. If you state you do not want to hide, maybe you can avoid that. Any thoughts on that?

Regarding the bank, how about we go to the bank together. Apparently you will see whoever else is on that square or in the bank (if you are in a location (Elle's, bank, etc), you know who else was too). That way we can likely see who may be watching the bank.

[TazFTW]

I don't think you are 100% guaranteed in seeing everyone in the same square as you. Schmidty said he saw me and Vince in the Ellie square but I only saw Schmidty there.

[Grammaticus]

I don't think you are 100% guaranteed in seeing everyone in the same square as you. Schmidty said he saw me and Vince in the Ellie square but I only saw Schmidty there.
Barkeep said that if you are in a specific location like Elle's, you will know who else was in there too, but not necessarily in the entire square of D3. So if you both go into Elle's you should both get a post that says you saw each other there. Otherwise it is not a given. But, if you and I both move to Elle's square and you are watching me then you will see me for sure. Now if we do not go into Elle's and I get killed while in that square, you should be able to see it happen and see who did it since you were watching me, right?

[TazFTW]

Barkeep said that if you are in a specific location like Elle's, you will know who else was in there too, but not necessarily in the entire square of D3. So if you both go into Elle's you should both get a post that says you saw each other there. Otherwise it is not a given. But, if you and I both move to Elle's square and you are watching me then you will see me for sure. Now if we do not go into Elle's and I get killed while in that square, you should be able to see it happen and see who did it since you were watching me, right?
Do you know where Barkeep mentions being able to someone in a specific location? I can't seem to find it in the rules.

[TazFTW]

Ugh, the above should say 'see somone'.

I'm thinking monopoly is a thing to be thinking about now, as Vince is on that track as well. How do we start to estimate if we have enough gold. How do you guys feel about if someone announces their gold and we watch them each turn to see who tries to kill them? The watcher should be able to keep watching the person each turn, but the person being watched will know it after one turn and attempt to automatically hide. If you state you do not want to hide, maybe you can avoid that. Any thoughts on that?
I guess it could it work but I would ask Barkeep to see if someone can cancel the automatic hide.

[Grammaticus]

A couple of posts that may assist in some of the current questions or speculation.

Post 122
There is a set amount and a set rate for each square. So the set rate for that square will be in effect until the amount runs out. Most squares have an even conversion, for instance if the rate is 2 GP per Dig it'll have an even number as the amount, though some do not. Some squares have a lot, others not so much.

The original rules state that “A repeated dig may or may not result in more gold, though all digs on a particular square will result in the same amount of gold”. If you hit a different amount on repeated digs, once the amount changes, the next amount should be zero as that is the odd amount. If a square has 16 gold and a rate of 5 per dig. You would get the following 5-5-5-1- then zero if you keep digging and the square is empty for the rest of the game.

post 113
Pirates can only kill during the Morning Cycle. Killing costs 1 AP and while 5 kill actions are theoretically possible, they are unlikely due to the high probability that someone would witness one of them, without them even having to use the watch action.

Evening cycle is where you vote out players and bid on fabulous items.

So, if we have someone watching a person and there are multiple people staying in that square, the pirate is probably going to get caught if he tries to kill. Basically trying to kill on your first AP in D4, means everyone is in the same square and can see you. If the target is being watched, that sounds like an automatic witness by the watcher.

post 76 (i think)
In Morning til tomorrow night.

You need not allocate any AP to walking back, it's built in. At the end of the 5 AP, in other words, you will automatically return to the hut, unless another condition prevails There will be 1 other way besides camping out that a player will not return at night, but that will be revealed later :) via an auction.

This post indicates there is another way to not come back to the hut other than camping, such as going to the Seaport (that was in an auction). This lends credence to AE’s story. Too bad he quit. I wonder what happens to your gold when you quit or maybe AE was out of gold.

Also, if gold is banked and the person who owns the account is killed, but did not have a will, who gets the gold? Obviously it is not on the body for the pirate to take it.

[KWhit]

I'm going to be out most of the day and night, so I guess I'll just go the obvious route since he is suspicious and he quit.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

[pennywisesb]

Alright, I'm pretty poor at math. How does this add up. If he digs and starts with 6 gold, then on day 2 loses 4 that equals 2 left. Then you give him 4, that is back up to a total of 6. On night 2, path gives him 1 gold, now he is at a total of 7 gold. Then hoops gave path back a gold and he is back to 6 gold, not 10. Did I miss anything?

Sorry guys, I hadn't signed in for awhile.

This is the first thing that jumped out at me as well. I'm sorry AE, but your story just doesn't add up. I know you seem to be trying to help us out from your stories, but without proof, I just don't think we can take that chance. At this point, like I posted earlier, we don't really have alot of evidence to go on, and with your Day 1 moves followed by this 'evidence' (which doesn't add up), you are at the top of my suspicion list. I saw that you quit the game, I would urge you to stay around, I know it can be frustrating sometimes, but thats just part of the game.

[pennywisesb]

Dola

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

[Blade6119]

Has blade really only posted once all day?
While barkeep never told me i couldnt talk more, i have assumed jail=keep quiet...and even if i didnt im dont exactly care if the THs are losing the game anymore...do i think lynching you is smart, no...but i didnt think lynching me or voting for raiders was smart

[Grammaticus]

While barkeep never told me i couldnt talk more, i have assumed jail=keep quiet...and even if i didnt im dont exactly care if the THs are losing the game anymore...do i think lynching you is smart, no...but i didnt think lynching me or voting for raiders was smart
This is copied from the rules post

Evening Cycle:

During the evening players adjourn to the hut provided by Blahoop. Any player who is not at the hut for two consecutive Evening Cycles, will die. As the players will know that some among them are pirates, who will stop at nothing to capture all the gold for themselves even through illicit means, unlike the treasure hunters who would NEVER use illicit means (*wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*).

All players will vote for a player who is to be arrested by the Blahoopian police on suspicion of being a pirate and murderer. The player with the most votes will be arrested and taken to jail. A tie will create confusion among the police (they’re simple island folk after all) and result in no arrest. While a player is in jail they may not vote or communicate with the rest of the players, but may be sprung from jail with a bribe.
No information about a player’s role is revealed when they are jailed. All of that player’s clothing and gold will be stored in the evidence room. Since it is evidence any gold the player is carrying when he is arrested CANNOT be used for bail. However, all property is returned to a player if they are bailed out.

Votes should be the last part of a post and be in bold
end of post from rules

If you want to communicate you are supposted to buy the "if anything should ever happen service" and Barkeep posts it for you.

[TazFTW]

So, if we have someone watching a person and there are multiple people staying in that square, the pirate is probably going to get caught if he tries to kill. Basically trying to kill on your first AP in D4, means everyone is in the same square and can see you. If the target is being watched, that sounds like an automatic witness by the watcher.
Yes, I was working under the assumption that the earliest the pirates would kill would be AP 2, since AP 1 would be used by everyone to move from D4. I wonder if we can issue an AP 1: Stay in D4 command?

Also, if gold is banked and the person who owns the account is killed, but did not have a will, who gets the gold? Obviously it is not on the body for the pirate to take it.
I would expect the gold disappears/bank takes it.


Since there's nothing else to go on.

VOTE ARDENT

[Grammaticus]

Yes, I was working under the assumption that the earliest the pirates would kill would be AP 2, since AP 1 would be used by everyone to move from D4. I wonder if we can issue an AP 1: Stay in D4 command?
Well, we could move as a team square by square and we could choose to just stay in D4 each turn watching each other. Either way, it makes it near impossible for the pirates to kill without being caught. If we communicate together and determine we have enough gold to achieve monopoly, we can move to the bank as a group and deposit and watch each other. Or we can just sit and watch or whatever other version of that strategy we want. It is a start or an idea to build off.

[path12]

Ugh, why do people even sign up for WW games if they are just going to quit.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/mad.gif

Everyone who has played one of these games has been a villager in the cross hairs and there is nothing you can do about it, but to try and make a case against someone else. If it is believable then people change their vote. Right now most of us don't see a better option.

And it's not like other games where you are dead. In this game you are in a perfect spot. The Pirates aren't going to kill you since you are under suspicion. You will be in jail for a single day if the evidence shows you are a TH. If you are revealed as a TH, you will be the most trusted person remaining in the game.

I couldn't agree more....this taking my ball and going home shit gets very old.

And these long deadlines really drag things down. I really don't know that Ardent is the best choice, but I don't have anything better than a hunch for anyone else at this point, and I really fear the worst with hoops, and frankly, if he wants to quit so bad I might as well help with the tossing.


VOTE ARDENT

[path12]

Well, we could move as a team square by square and we could choose to just stay in D4 each turn watching each other. Either way, it makes it near impossible for the pirates to kill without being caught. If we communicate together and determine we have enough gold to achieve monopoly, we can move to the bank as a group and deposit and watch each other. Or we can just sit and watch or whatever other version of that strategy we want. It is a start or an idea to build off.

This is a very interesting idea. I want to mull it over a little bit. And I agree with what Gram said earlier -- rivers and mountains are whar that gold lies, boys.

[Vince]

Sorry guys, got called in to work a double shift today, and I'm exhausted. 9 hours of waiting tables = not fun. $211 dollars is kind of nice, though.

Anyway, I'm going to go pass out, and I'll catch up in the morning.

[Grammaticus]

Well, I don't know if this is too late or not. I just realized the deadline was 8am, but Barkeep has not posted or closed it yet either. So just in case he will still accept my vote

VOTE ARDENT

For some reason I had thought I voted earlier, but when I looked I had not.

[Grammaticus]

This is a very interesting idea. I want to mull it over a little bit. And I agree with what Gram said earlier -- rivers and mountains are whar that gold lies, boys.
I'm guessing a jungle square will yield more than a blank square as well.

[Vince]

Kind of forgot that 8 AM would be before I woke up :)

In any case, I probably would have voted for Ardent, so it doesn't really matter.

I'm curious -- does anyone have a bank account set up yet? Seems like Saldana had set one up, but then got killed almost immediately after. I'm also curious as to how much gold Qwikshot has -- Saldana willed him everything he had. So far we've come a little farther in the organization/monopoly building direction, but we're still not anywhere near 'coordinated.' I think I'm going to continue to dig tomorrow.

[Vince]

Path -- how was G2 for digging? I'm considering travelling out there some time soon, and was just curious if it was worth my time.

[pennywisesb]

Vince, I established a savings account the second day.

I found gold on day one and day two, but day three the square I went to was tapped out.

[path12]

Path -- how was G2 for digging? I'm considering travelling out there some time soon, and was just curious if it was worth my time.

How should we handle info like this? If it is very good, we could cause a rush which could make easy pickin' for a pirate, or run out of gold quickly, but if it's bad I'd like to warn my fellow TH's to look elsewhere.

I'd be happy to tell you, but kind of want to throw that issue out there first.

[path12]

I'm guessing a jungle square will yield more than a blank square as well.

Building on my last post, I'm curious about any results that people have had in jungles -- I haven't visited one yet.

[Barkeep49]

Ok after a bit of thought I'm going to call the game. Full writeup to be forth coming.

[path12]

Huh?

[Poli]

By the way, I never officially quit. I was trying to fake you all out of voting for me. Kudos for not biting.

[kingfc22]

Ok after a bit of thought I'm going to call the game. Full writeup to be forth coming.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/frown.gif

[hoopsguy]

Shiver me timbers! Them blasted treasure hunters have thrown all of my maties in Davy Jones' locker!

[Poli]

Arrrh! But we be killing three of 'em, matey! And we ran off we thar gold!

[Poli]

These scurvy wogs are lousy hunters, indeed. Cap'n we be needn' our mercenaries to wipe them all out, we do.

[Poli]

Thens we be feasting in gold. Brother, blade, be cheerful, be gold and women in our future!

[Barkeep49]

The police come in. Many people just lay about apathetically while others point at Ardent. Ardent tries to point to that old coot Qwik, but the police don't care. They take Ardent away.

Shady comes wondering into the hut.

"Ok I think people are a little slow here. I mean you've been jailing people and not one discussion of commerce? Everyone take out your gold now."

When no one really moves, Shady gets irritated, "Listen just take out your gold Blokes. You'll like what you see."

As people do so they soon come to the realization that they have more than enough gold to purchese a monopoly. With great enthuasism, path, Alan T, pennywise, KWhit, Qwikshot, Grammaticus, Taz, king, schmidty, and Vince hand over the 100 GP. They join Hoops in the knowledge that they have "won" and start to think about how they will enjoy the wealth that they will soon take from the island, enough wealth to last them a lifetime... as long as they are smart with it.

[kingfc22]

Shiver me timbers! Them blasted treasure hunters have thrown all of my maties in Davy Jones' locker!I knew there was something fishy about you.

[Poli]

They be so surprised they lost their tungs, cap'n!!! Me parrot be talkin' more than these wogs! Garrr!!

[Poli]

There be somethin' fishy bout you when you walk the plank, wog!!!

[hoopsguy]

King, was that before or after Post #694?

Hoops you are now 100% in my book

[Poli]

Shady be shady, matey! He be killin' you for yer gold tonight!

[Desnudo]

Good job guys!

[Poli]

It be after post 1163, cap'n.

[Barkeep49]

I've always said that I'm ok with short games and felt that continuing this one would just be needlessly prolonging the inevitable. While it was possible that no suspicion would be arisen after 1 morning with no kill I figured 2 mornings with no kill would give it away and essentially have wasted people's time, so I called it.

As you might have been able to tell Hoops, Blade, and Ardent were the three pirates. With Hoops having taken the letter and won and Blade and Ardent in jail with no real chance of escape, I thought about continuing the game, but it just didn't make sense. Especially as path, who found the knife which would have turned him into a pirate if he'd kept it, chose to turn it in to the police.

While I did not make a mistake with Ardent's actions (I was SUPER careful about that) I do feel bad that he and Blade didn't fully understand fleet of foot. I thought that both knew about and processed their actions accordingly.

Now that everyone understands the rules I hope that I can run this game again in the not too distant future. I still have several surprises up my sleeve (for instance while Taz got both parts of the clue for the Burried Treasure, it wasn't found) and based on how things played out feel that it is a pretty balanced set of rules. I appreciate everyone playing for the time they put in and hope that even though it was shorter than many games, they still enjoyed it.

[hoopsguy]

Arrr, I felt marooned after Day 1 by the other two sea dogs who put themselves out on the plank for no good reason. Too much rum and those dead men told no tales.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA -- If I ran it again I have a couple things that I would include that I thought of after the game started and would do it on a new map.

The necklace that Path bought would have erased the first 5 votes against him. Obviously as he never had a vote on him this was never discovered.

Hats off to Gram who despite being very quite in the thread ended the game with 37 gold, followed closely by one of the athlete's Alan who got 34.

[Poli]

While I did not make a mistake with Ardent's actions (I was SUPER careful about that) I do feel bad that he and Blade didn't fully understand fleet of foot. I thought that both knew about and processed their actions accordingly.

Bah. Had I known that required a fleet of foot action I wouldn't have done it. I didn't want anyone to know I was a pirate, and I never would have used it. It would have been too easy to catch if I did...and obviously, that happened.

Assuming I was using it when I never mentioned it really screwed me over.

[Barkeep49]

Bah. Had I known that required a fleet of foot action I wouldn't have done it. I didn't want anyone to know I was a pirate, and I never would have used it. It would have been too easy to catch if I did...and obviously, that happened.

Assuming I was using it when I never mentioned it really screwed me over.
I know and I feel bad. It'll be changed for next game.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, I thought the rule set played out very well, although it definitely took some time to get to a level of comfort with them. I think I was getting close to that point by the final day.

I thought Taz played a really good game. Based on his posts, he seemed to grasp the rules and their impact more quickly than many of the players in this game.

[Poli]

No worries. I screwed over The Others in my game as well. ;)

[Poli]

By the way, getting hoops out was my main priority. One pirate win is a pirate win for all...given the circumstances.

I'll post the real letter soon.

[hoopsguy]

I would love to have stayed and seen how long I could stay undercover, but without any immediate prospects for a 2nd pirate I didn't see how I could really stop a monopoly.

I would have liked to see where the voting would have gone in the event that I was still around and Blade/AE had been jailed. I think it would have been a bit of a free-for-all that day.

[path12]

I've always said that I'm ok with short games and felt that continuing this one would just be needlessly prolonging the inevitable. While it was possible that no suspicion would be arisen after 1 morning with no kill I figured 2 mornings with no kill would give it away and essentially have wasted people's time, so I called it.

As you might have been able to tell Hoops, Blade, and Ardent were the three pirates. With Hoops having taken the letter and won and Blade and Ardent in jail with no real chance of escape, I thought about continuing the game, but it just didn't make sense. Especially as path, who found the knife which would have turned him into a pirate if he'd kept it, chose to turn it in to the police.

While I did not make a mistake with Ardent's actions (I was SUPER careful about that) I do feel bad that he and Blade didn't fully understand fleet of foot. I thought that both knew about and processed their actions accordingly.

Now that everyone understands the rules I hope that I can run this game again in the not too distant future. I still have several surprises up my sleeve (for instance while Taz got both parts of the clue for the Burried Treasure, it wasn't found) and based on how things played out feel that it is a pretty balanced set of rules. I appreciate everyone playing for the time they put in and hope that even though it was shorter than many games, they still enjoyed it.

I really enjoyed this ruleset barkeep, and hope you do run another one like it. So what exactly was going on with hoops? (who had me totally fooled, I thought he was 85% good).

[Poli]

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The pirates rule. The villagers drool.
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You open the envelope to find the following:
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Use of the ticket is an automatic victory for you.
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[hoopsguy]

King, post #609 did scare the crap out of me at the time:
So it looks like Hoops is going to be viewing the evidence? I would suggest that someone watch Hoops and that RA veiws hoops. That should build a nice circle of trust.
I allowed myself to get caught up in thinking that the watches would act like a seer, instead of realizing that this really didn't pose a threat to us. So that is when I started to try and shift to have KWhit do the viewing on Blade instead of Ardent.

I felt like I had been fairly subtle in introducing AE as someone to view Blade (we had not yet decided if he would say pirate or treasure hunter) but after that I was worried that I had outed him. Nope, although he did that with the PM just a few posts later.

[kingfc22]

King, was that before or after Post #694?It was after you listed me as a 5 or 6 on your trust list. I knew I was playing heavily like a TH and for you to only list me as a 5 or 6 sent alarms ringing.

Then I posted this:
Of course if Hoops is a Pirate we are screwed. Could he have kept the gold and "outed" Blade gaining our trust. Knowing that even if any of us did view Blade later on they would still find that he was a Pirate.At this point, you were gone so there was no point in pursing this option since AE's day 1 story didn't make sense.

[Poli]

I had 6 gold, but no hopes whatsoever of obtaining 10 and jumping on the boat.

Instead, I killed Desnudo based on his name on the list...and then sat at the bank swinging a knife...which hit saldana. I didn't even bother hiding it.

Had you read the posts, I said I went to the square right below the bank. What's on the way? The bank.

[Poli]

Nope, although he did that with the PM just a few posts later.And I didn't realize I had at all. I think I'll be angry about that for the next week.

[kingfc22]

And I think I kept the taxi cab's in business. :)

[Poli]

At this point, you were gone so there was no point in pursing this option since AE's day 1 story didn't make sense.
Oh, it made sense. Barkeep did mess up by assuming I wanted the fleet move. Had he asked, I would have changed my move to the original PM.

I noticed the next day he took the time to clarify a few moves, Desnudo's in particular (the person I killed).

[hoopsguy]

Path, when we first learned the roles of the pirates we were pretty pumped up for playing this one out. Blade and I have talked a ton in the past about how we would play a game together as "wolves" and Ardent is a guy who has done a solid job on both sides of the game in the past.

But Day 1 was such a disaster for us as we didn't do a good job collectively of understanding the different mechanics of this game. So I tried to isolate myself as much as possible from those two.

When I did the view on Blade I didn't need to spend 4 GP to know what he was. So instead I deposited it in the bank and used my visit to the jail to free him (I was the swashbuckler).

The rest of the game I played as a treasure hunter, just going about my business of finding gold. But I knew we were not going to be able to stop a monopoly, so when Ardent got the letter we decided to have me cash in that chip. We concocted a story together that was intended to move popular opinion away from AE as a pirate. But the problem was that we weren't able to get any movement on an alternative for jailing.

[Poli]

Qwik, I wasn't upset with you, either. I was just trying to sway the voters.

[hoopsguy]

King, fair enough on the rebuttal. Just having some fun, hope you didn't get too annoyed at it.

On the list I published I wasn't sure where I felt like we could put pressure. But I also didn't think it made sense to have a list with everyone as an 8. I had to leave room for people to interpret it after I was gone in a way that might give options besides AE. By coming out so strongly against him I was hoping that people would later think that he was trying to help the TH cause by sending me away as a "known good".

Nothing that we tried this game worked particularly well.

Heck, I couldn't even get compensated for the 4 GP I didn't spend verifying Blade :) Only got one from Path, which I figured I could give back to him since I was out and it would help validate me as a good guy if he viewed Blade.

[kingfc22]

King, fair enough on the rebuttal. Just having some fun, hope you didn't get too annoyed at it.Not at all.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Schmidty]

Woot!

Nice game, Barkeep.

[path12]

Path, when we first learned the roles of the pirates we were pretty pumped up for playing this one out. Blade and I have talked a ton in the past about how we would play a game together as "wolves" and Ardent is a guy who has done a solid job on both sides of the game in the past.

But Day 1 was such a disaster for us as we didn't do a good job collectively of understanding the different mechanics of this game. So I tried to isolate myself as much as possible from those two.

Yeah, I think the complexity of the ruleset combined with Blade being busy enough to not have them straight really helped us -- it was the first time I really felt that I had caught someone out -- and having that be Blade was even better. ;)

Never having had a bad role in one of these though I'm kind of kicking myself for making the knife public......that would have been fun.

[hoopsguy]

You would have been lonely, Path. All by yourself and no real way to stop monopoly. Not the way I would want to be a bad guy for the first time in a game.

[Blade6119]

Yeah, I think the complexity of the ruleset combined with Blade being busy enough to not have them straight really helped us -- it was the first time I really felt that I had caught someone out -- and having that be Blade was even better. ;)

Never having had a bad role in one of these though I'm kind of kicking myself for making the knife public......that would have been fun.
Ya, i didnt spend enough time on the rules to properly interpret them. I entirely glossed over the same amount of gold for each dig. Rookie mistake...im impressed you guys caught it. But the second someone noted it my only goal was to clear hoops...i tried to not even mention ardent so there was no link between them or myself, but tried everything in my power to clear hoops without making it look like i was clearing hoops. Up until he "viewed me" i always mentioned him second or third to someone else...that way if you guys ever did think i was trying to clear another pirate you wouldnt get him. Then you all let him view the evidence, and it became straight forward. The ardent slip-up put us deep in the hole, but i took comfort that my death cleared hoops.

[Alan T]

I really enjoyed this game... I had to be careful about what I told people I did because if everyone knew my daily actions, I would have been suspected to be a pirate just like AE.

I found the very top right square had 6 gold per turn, and had planned to go back visiting it some more in the near future. :)

For the record, I did use my fleet of foot every turn, it just took me one turn to figure out where the good gold was. :)

[Alan T]

oh and dola,

Even though I made it to the end of this game, I still have never lived past day 3 :)

[Blade6119]

i agree with alan, why do these games always end up like this....Blade, i dont know how you deal with people in a day to day life, and however you do,and however you decide to interact with people on this board is totally up to you, but AFAIC, calling us idiots because you dont like the way we are playing or the decisions we are making IS 100% PERSONAL. if you dont realize that, and that the reason some people get so pissed with you is because you throw insults around like that, and then make it seem like we are the ones that have personal interaction issues. I generally like you, which i think you know, and i am generally a very calm guy, but people play this game and spend time on this board to relax, not to be called an idiot under any context. You are way out of line, and if i werent voting for you because i think you're a pirate, I would vote for you at this point because i want to enjoy this game...something that you are currently making difficult.

Maybe you should think about that.
I waited on replying to this so i didnt give away hoops. If you read the post that prompted this comment, i talked about how we all play a role. My role(after slipping up myself) was to clear hoops. At the time these comments were made, hoops already said i was a pirate. So i was doing everything in my power to seperate ourselves. So by being agressive and attacking you for believing hoops over myself, i was actively trying to get you guys pissed off. Becuase if i pissed you guys off over trusting hoops about me, i figured it would 100% clear him. And it did, as he was everyone's most trusted all game(even if they now say they didnt :rolleyes: ). Most people think me an ass or what not, but as i always say, 99% of the time, there is a reason. My crazy defense and attacks of the quiet ones were intended to make you not believe me, and due to that trust hoops.

It really was 100% not personal, all apart of the game....but some people cant take a few comments(i get them all the time, i dont throw a big fit...i can quote quite a few posts about me that are personal...its part of the game...i didnt attack his personality, which he did mine, merely his play style). You dont get berated for calling a RB slow...its just his play style.

[Qwikshot]

Qwik, I wasn't upset with you, either. I was just trying to sway the voters.

Well I backed off...I figured you had so much real life shit to deal with that I wasn't going to make this unenjoyable for you...

It's a good thing hoops declared Blade a pirate, because I scanned him too...but the whole nonsense about Hoops off and being reinforcements really seemed too good to be true...

It was fun...

[Qwikshot]

I waited on replying to this so i didnt give away hoops. If you read the post that prompted this comment, i talked about how we all play a role. My role(after slipping up myself) was to clear hoops. At the time these comments were made, hoops already said i was a pirate. So i was doing everything in my power to seperate ourselves. So by being agressive and attacking you for believing hoops over myself, i was actively trying to get you guys pissed off. Becuase if i pissed you guys off over trusting hoops about me, i figured it would 100% clear him. And it did, as he was everyone's most trusted all game(even if they now say they didnt :rolleyes: ). Most people think me an ass or what not, but as i always say, 99% of the time, there is a reason. My crazy defense and attacks of the quiet ones were intended to make you not believe me, and due to that trust hoops.

It really was 100% not personal, all apart of the game....but some people cant take a few comments(i get them all the time, i dont throw a big fit...i can quote quite a few posts about me that are personal...its part of the game...i didnt attack his personality, which he did mine, merely his play style). You dont get berated for calling a RB slow...its just his play style.

I very much trusted Hoops until the whole reinforcement thing...then I figured him dead...had he come back without troops I would have felt 100% against him, had he just stayed undercover it would have taken a bit longer...

[Desnudo]

Well I backed off...I figured you had so much real life shit to deal with that I wasn't going to make this unenjoyable for you...

It's a good thing hoops declared Blade a pirate, because I scanned him too...but the whole nonsense about Hoops off and being reinforcements really seemed too good to be true...

It was fun...

I enjoyed your nicknames. AE's getting offended about your Aardvark description didn't make sense. A little overacting. Unfortunately I didn't live long enough to call it out. Also as an FYI AE for future games, you behaved in a similar manner a few WWs ago when you were a wolf.

[Blade6119]

combined with Blade being busy enough to not have them straight really helped us
I had a fun game, even if i played it poorly. Just wanted to make everyone happy and announce to everyone(have told a few of my friends) ill be sitting out at least the next game...In part becuase my school computer(where im at 99% of the time) doesnt work with the school network anymore and part becuase i need a break from a few players....hope you guys have fun

[Qwikshot]

I enjoyed your nicknames. AE's getting offended about your Aardvark description didn't make sense. A little overacting. Unfortunately I didn't live long enough to call it out. Also as an FYI AE for future games, you behaved in a similar manner a few WWs ago when you were a wolf.

This is true...had I called him as%hole enthusiast I figured that woulda generated much more of a justifiable response...

I also found it to be a redflag when Blade told me to tone it down...

[Desnudo]

This is true...had I called him as%hole enthusiast I figured that woulda generated much more of a justifiable response...

I also found it to be a redflag when Blade told me to tone it down...

Yes, I read Aardvark and his response and I thought, man either he's the most sensitive man in the Navy or else something's up.

[TazFTW]

Good job treasure hunters.

I still have several surprises up my sleeve (for instance while Taz got both parts of the clue for the Burried Treasure, it wasn't found).
And it would have taken me a while to find it. From what little analysis I did on the clues, I was only able to figure out which row the treasure should be in. Not an exact square. I only received the 2nd clue the previous morning, so I had no time to search for it. I probably wouldn't have searched for it on morning 4 either as I planned to pick up the package for Shady so I could buy the gun. If the pirates would have bailed Blade again, I was going to go Jack Ruby on him to save the TH from having to jail him again.

Hats off to Gram who despite being very quite in the thread ended the game with 37 gold, followed closely by one of the athlete's Alan who got 34.
Holy... I only had 3 gold at end, digging up only 5 gp for the first 3 days.

I thought Taz played a really good game. Based on his posts, he seemed to grasp the rules and their impact more quickly than many of the players in this game.
w00t! Taz 4 MVP! :cool:

[Poli]

This is true...had I called him as%hole enthusiast I figured that woulda generated much more of a justifiable response...

I also found it to be a redflag when Blade told me to tone it down...
Actually, I thought I was following the cue of Raiders, who didn't see all that enthused with your comments.

[Alan T]

Holy... I only had 3 gold at end, digging up only 5 gp for the first 3 days.




Being the athlete I had the ability to get a bit further every day into the mountains. My first day was wasted exploring, with only 2 gold. But the second day I had a place with 5 gold per dig (which I ran it out of gold), then found a place with 6 gold per dig for the next day to head to (which didnt have time with the game ending)

[Barkeep49]

Being the athlete I had the ability to get a bit further every day into the mountains. My first day was wasted exploring, with only 2 gold. But the second day I had a place with 5 gold per dig (which I ran it out of gold), then found a place with 6 gold per dig for the next day to head to (which didnt have time with the game ending)
Grammaticus was also there which is why it ran out. I thought it was amusing that the two of you did just different enough things that you never realized the other was there.

[Grammaticus]

That is funny that AlanT and I were both in the same square and never saw each other. I actually never saw anyone else while out during the whole game. I hoofed it to the furthest mountain square I could reach and still dig (no special movement for me) and got a good yield of 5gp. That was F1. Then decided to hit it again and camp. The square ran out and I moved over to G1 (upper right corner) and hit 6gp per dig.

I really could not get back there again unless I had extra movement, but figured we might be able to pool our gold and win anyway. Just couldn't figure out how to see who had what and protect that as we hit monopoly. I figured there was another pirate or two out there. I was not sure about Hoops, but when he never confirmed he had recieved the letter, I thought trusting him would be a risk.

I knew Qwik was good, because his role play confirmed he must have gotten a role PM very similar to mine. I tried to let him know that in an early post, not sure if he got it or not. Then I figured AlanT and Taz were okay (still a risk, it was just the way they were playing seemed to reflect good). Not sure about Vince but I was willing to trust him if it came down to trying to hit monopoly.

I thought the golden locks comments from Saldana meant he got a PM that said he was a young upstart treasure hunter, so I was going to probably trust him too.

[Alan T]

That is funny that AlanT and I were both in the same square and never saw each other. I actually never saw anyone else while out during the whole game. I hoofed it to the furthest mountain square I could reach and still dig (no special movement for me) and got a good yield of 5gp. That was F1. Then decided to hit it again and camp. The square ran out and I moved over to G1 (upper right corner) and hit 6gp per dig.

I really could not get back there again unless I had extra movement, but figured we might be able to pool our gold and win anyway. Just couldn't figure out how to see who had what and protect that as we hit monopoly. I figured there was another pirate or two out there. I was not sure about Hoops, but when he never confirmed he had recieved the letter, I thought trusting him would be a risk.

I knew Qwik was good, because his role play confirmed he must have gotten a role PM very similar to mine. I tried to let him know that in an early post, not sure if he got it or not. Then I figured AlanT and Taz were okay (still a risk, it was just the way they were playing seemed to reflect good). Not sure about Vince but I was willing to trust him if it came down to trying to hit monopoly.

I thought the golden locks comments from Saldana meant he got a PM that said he was a young upstart treasure hunter, so I was going to probably trust him too.


You did the exact same path I took. I was an athlete so I could do the extra movements though. I took a little time to try to figure out if F1 would replinish, and it didn't for me.

[Grammaticus]

You did the exact same path I took. I was an athlete so I could do the extra movements though. I took a little time to try to figure out if F1 would replinish, and it didn't for me.
I skipped the replenish because the rules said once empty, always empty. But I did waste a turn digging, because it ran out on my last dig. I actually did not put a conditional of "if no yield, then move to X", because I just did not have enough movement to do it.

[Alan T]

I skipped the replenish because the rules said once empty, always empty. But I did waste a turn digging, because it ran out on my last dig. I actually did not put a conditional of "if no yield, then move to X", because I just did not have enough movement to do it.


You and I likely were on the same square, both camping out the same night I bet.

[pennywisesb]

Wow, the last thing I expected when I signed on was to see the game had ended. Good game everyone.

[Grammaticus]

You and I likely were on the same square, both camping out the same night I bet.
We did camp out the same night. That is one of the reasons why I was guessing you probaby had decent gold, just from the extra digs. I was guessing that Qwik had some good gold too as he got Saldana's and seemed to be of the dig mindset as well. King talked up digging, but I was not sure at the time if that was TH behavior or cover for a pirate.

Barkeep, can you post the gold totals for everyone? Just curious to see who was banking cash versus spending, etc.

[hoopsguy]

I was not sure about Hoops, but when he never confirmed he had recieved the letter, I thought trusting him would be a risk.

Gram, I didn't feel like I could do this within the constructs of the game. I didn't get the letter until AP1 and left on the boat on AP5 of the same day cycle. So to post that I had received the letter would have been indicating that I knew it was coming to me or posting prior to Barkeeps post that I had gotten a PM. And if I was going to exit the game then posting something after receiving the PM would not be very kosher in my mind.

[Alan T]

We did camp out the same night. That is one of the reasons why I was guessing you probaby had decent gold, just from the extra digs. I was guessing that Qwik had some good gold too as he got Saldana's and seemed to be of the dig mindset as well. King talked up digging, but I was not sure at the time if that was TH behavior or cover for a pirate.

Barkeep, can you post the gold totals for everyone? Just curious to see who was banking cash versus spending, etc.


yeah, I had been thinking of working on who to trust for a monopoly.. the one I was starting to think of in my mind was me, Grammaticus, Qwikshot and Kwhit. All people I felt somewhat comfortable about, and thought together we would have 100 gold after next turn

[Grammaticus]

Gram, I didn't feel like I could do this within the constructs of the game. I didn't get the letter until AP1 and left on the boat on AP5 of the same day cycle. So to post that I had received the letter would have been indicating that I knew it was coming to me or posting prior to Barkeeps post that I had gotten a PM. And if I was going to exit the game then posting something after receiving the PM would not be very kosher in my mind.
Why not, there were not any rules against posting while you were in the morning cycle, unless you were camping? You could have posted after it started and you got the PM, unless of course the PM said you couldn't. Since you didn't say you were camping, I was not sure if you were keeping quite or maybe were told you could not post. Kept it foggy all the same.

[hoopsguy]

Well, I did board the ship during the morning cycle. So I was out of the game, just as if I had been killed. At least that was my interpretation of it.

When I was submitting my actions for morning cycle, I would not know that I was getting the letter from AE if we weren't both pirates. So I couldn't post it at that point.

Barkeep didn't say anything in his PMs about not being able to speak. So this was me trying to keep game integrity.

If I had been made "Captain" and was out of the game for 3 days (off the island) would it have been fair for me to be able to shape conversations, vote, and take part in all the other actions as if I was still there?

[TazFTW]

Barkeep, can you post the gold totals for everyone? Just curious to see who was banking cash versus spending, etc.
I mentioned my amount earlier. First morning I went to C1, a jungle square and my 1 dig netted my 2 gold. In morning 2, I bought the treasure map for 1 gold, bought the gun to see what favor I had to do for Shady, and then I moved to the bank, bought a safety deposit box with my other gold piece and dug which netted me 1 gold. Morning 3 had me going to Ellie's because that was where the other clue for the treasure was. I then moved to D2 and dug which got me 2 more gold and thus my end result of 3 gold.

[Grammaticus]

Well, I did board the ship during the morning cycle. So I was out of the game, just as if I had been killed. At least that was my interpretation of it.

When I was submitting my actions for morning cycle, I would not know that I was getting the letter from AE if we weren't both pirates. So I couldn't post it at that point.

Barkeep didn't say anything in his PMs about not being able to speak. So this was me trying to keep game integrity.

If I had been made "Captain" and was out of the game for 3 days (off the island) would it have been fair for me to be able to shape conversations, vote, and take part in all the other actions as if I was still there?
No, how you did it is good. Just saying it did not really make sense to be able to post while out treasure hunting in general, but I guess as a WW game it is needed in order to get enough communication together between votes. But, if you were off the island, then it really would not make sense. Worked out well.

[Grammaticus]

I mentioned my amount earlier. First morning I went to C1, a jungle square and my 1 dig netted my 2 gold. In morning 2, I bought the treasure map for 1 gold, bought the gun to see what favor I had to do for Shady, and then I moved to the bank, bought a safety deposit box with my other gold piece and dug which netted me 1 gold. Morning 3 had me going to Ellie's because that was where the other clue for the treasure was. I then moved to D2 and dug which got me 2 more gold and thus my end result of 3 gold.
What were you going to have to do for the gun? I was considering doing that myself.

[TazFTW]

What were you going to have to do for the gun? I was considering doing that myself.I had to go to the dock, pick up a package during turn 4, and deliver it to Shady. After I deliver it, Shady would agree to sell me the gun.

[Grammaticus]

I had to go to the dock, pick up a package during turn 4, and deliver it to Shady. After I deliver it, Shady would agree to sell me the gun.
Did he say how much it would cost? Then could you pk someone? If so, could you do it one time in the game or more than once?

[TazFTW]

Did he say how much it would cost?
No, he didn't say how much it would cost. I would only get that information once I delivered the goods.

Then could you pk someone?
The rules say that once I had the gun, I could kill anyone in the square I was in or in any adjacent square. I would assume that I would have to use a conditional to use it (i.e. AP 3: If I see Blade, shoot him. Else blah blah).

If so, could you do it one time in the game or more than once
Kill more than once? Not with the same gun as that had only 1 bullet. I do not know whether or not I could buy the gun more than once.

[path12]

We did camp out the same night. That is one of the reasons why I was guessing you probaby had decent gold, just from the extra digs. I was guessing that Qwik had some good gold too as he got Saldana's and seemed to be of the dig mindset as well. King talked up digging, but I was not sure at the time if that was TH behavior or cover for a pirate.

Barkeep, can you post the gold totals for everyone? Just curious to see who was banking cash versus spending, etc.

I ended up with 11 gold I believe. I got 6 the first day with three digs on square F6. I spent 3 of that on the necklace (which I thought was going to drop my price on items bought). 2nd morning I went to Ellie's and bought shoes for 2 GP, and ended up with 2 GP on a dig at C2 (I had made some moves wrong because I misread how fleet of foot worked). Morning 3 I made a dig at F3 for 3 GP and then got 5GP from G2 where I also found the knife.

My role was paranoid, so I figured that I didn't really need to worry about hiding out much so just was exploring the different terrains for gold. I was going to camp out this upcoming morning up in the NE corner.

[kingfc22]

Every square I dug in only had 2 GP. I was disappointed that I didn't land more. I had a hunch that one square might have a buried treaseure and I was happy to see Barkeep reveal that there in fact was.

If the game hadn't ended I was going to use the messaging service to PM Alan to hopefully gain his trust and tell him to PM Qwik to start a small circle of trust.

[pennywisesb]

Hoops, funny thing is, you had me believing you were good so much after the first night that I actually willed my gold to you. Then, with some inspiration from one of Qwik's posts I started becoming more suspicious of you and so I ended up willing it to AlanT instead.....

[Alan T]

Hoops, funny thing is, you had me believing you were good so much after the first night that I actually willed my gold to you. Then, with some inspiration from one of Qwik's posts I started becoming more suspicious of you and so I ended up willing it to AlanT instead.....

The funny thing was I was pretty sure both Blade and AE were bad, but it was Blade who tried to convince me that AE and Hoops were bad together. After AE's story, thats what had me start doubting hoops. The bad part was, I prorbably would have felt better again after viewing blade like I planned to do. I think I might have been fooled at that point (until we didnt see any night kills for a while Im guessing)

[Vince]

Holy crap, that's the last thing I expected to happen. Crazy. I was pretty sure that the NE corner would have lots of gold, I just hadn't gotten there yet to check it out. I wanted to end up there and at A1, which I also thought would have lots of gold. The first couple of turns, I wandered around near the river (thinking along the same lines as many posted about California Gold Rush, etc).

King -- I'm with you in keeping the Taxi's alive and well :)

My goal was to end up with the Shovel, Metal Detector and No Doze, and then camp out while using the No Doze. However, I wanted to find a good high-yield square first. I never found that high-yield square. I found a lot of 3's, but nothing higher. The next turn, I was going to buy the Metal Detector and No Doze anyways, and go exploring in the jungle the following turn while camping out, even though I hadn't found any 'good' squares yet.

Barkeep -- I love this ruleset, and I would be interested in playing the exact same game again.

[Vince]

Oh, and as for trust lists...I really had no idea on anyone. I was feeling pretty good about hoops, but when he disappeared, I was pretty sure he was either dead or bad. Ardent...was just playing strangely, and the whole 'I quit' thing didn't sound like something he would do normally. To be honest, I was starting to get paranoid about Alan T -- he just seemed a little too easy to trust.

[Barkeep49]

As requested here's the gold list:
4. path12 12
5. Alan_T 34
6. pennywisesb 4
10. KWhit 8
11. Qwikshot 7
12. Grammaticus 37
13. TazFTW 3
14. kingfc22 6
16. schmidty 6
18. Vince 6

The treasure hunters ended with 124 gold, though most of it was with 2 people. I expected as much and had hoped that competing monopoly groups might be formed as an extra way to give the wolves a chance.

I had mentioned to Ardent that I wish I had either set the price of the escape higher OR had changed the letter to a conversion letter once the pirate got it instead of sticking with my preplanned letter and amount.

[Alan T]

Oh, and as for trust lists...I really had no idea on anyone. I was feeling pretty good about hoops, but when he disappeared, I was pretty sure he was either dead or bad. Ardent...was just playing strangely, and the whole 'I quit' thing didn't sound like something he would do normally. To be honest, I was starting to get paranoid about Alan T -- he just seemed a little too easy to trust.


You can always trust me :)

[pennywisesb]

I was starting to get paranoid about Alan T -- he just seemed a little too easy to trust.

Yeah, AlanT is really easy to trust. I'm just happy this game he was good! Last game he had me completely fooled for alittle bit when he was an other and I told myself I wouldn't fall for it again...

Barkeep: I agree with Vince, this rule set was awesome and I would love to play the same game again.

AlanT and Gramm kicked ass for us. I spent most of my time in the NW and never found a good yielding square. On top of that, I was trying to go as far as I could each time so I was only really digging once per day's action which probably hurt my gold yield as well. I also went and opened a savings account the second day because the last thing I wanted was to get wacked and help the pirates by giving them whatever gold I had found.

[Poli]

Also as an FYI AE for future games, you behaved in a similar manner a few WWs ago when you were a wolf.
I haven't played since that game, so I'm sure that was fresh in your mind. However, this is typically the way I play, as I'm sure others could attest.