WW XXIV: Treasure Hunt (GAME OVER!)

[Poli]

I've explained myself the best I can. I've shown you the PMs I sent. I didn't mention any fleet of foot thing in my PMs because I didn't need to.I am not the athlete. I am not a pirate.

Something happened. Barkeep flubbed, maybe. He's done it once with the PM he sent to pennywisesb.

That said, I'm done. I won't mess with this game anymore. I'm not going to get frustrated in this game by trying to convince you otherwise.

Good luck, and I hope one of you is happy with the gold I sent you.

[KWhit]

I've explained myself the best I can. I've shown you the PMs I sent. I didn't mention any fleet of foot thing in my PMs because I didn't need to.I am not the athlete. I am not a pirate.

Something happened. Barkeep flubbed, maybe. He's done it once with the PM he sent to pennywisesb.

That said, I'm done. I won't mess with this game anymore. I'm not going to get frustrated in this game by trying to convince you otherwise.

Good luck, and I hope one of you is happy with the gold I sent you.

:confused:

[path12]

Well one of the pirates can bail one out, which is what I'm assuming happened. So it may be worthless putting Blade back in until we figure out who else is a pirate.

I think they may only be able to bail him out for free once:

Swashbuckler role: Friend with the Foes -- This Pirate through his debonair attitude will once per game be able to bail any person out of jail, including himself, for free.

So -- if they want to keep bailing him out, it's going to get a lot tougher for them to hire mercenaries.

Woot! I knew he was bad.

VOTE BLADE

[path12]

I've explained myself the best I can. I've shown you the PMs I sent. I didn't mention any fleet of foot thing in my PMs because I didn't need to.I am not the athlete. I am not a pirate.

Something happened. Barkeep flubbed, maybe. He's done it once with the PM he sent to pennywisesb.

That said, I'm done. I won't mess with this game anymore. I'm not going to get frustrated in this game by trying to convince you otherwise.

Good luck, and I hope one of you is happy with the gold I sent you.

Well, I don't know how to respond to that. Dude, it's a game. And really, you've been playing this long enough to know that the suspicion of you is perfectly legit from our viewpoint.

[path12]

So, what about Desnudo? He was found to the SE in E5. Anyone see him?

Only person I saw this turn was Grammaticus as I moved to D3.

[pennywisesb]

I went west this time and did not see anyone. Great job on tagging Blade as a pirate Hoops. Looks as though we could possibly be on to two different pirates by the end of day 2! Keep it up.

Vote Blade

I like KWit's plan. If they have to keep wasting AP to bail Blade out, plus us GPs, I think it will become alot safer around here, especially in the far out regions.....

[pennywisesb]

*us=use

[Blade6119]

Officials say that they are not concerned that Blade was released from jail yesterday either.

"The man just didn't belong there," one police officer said.[/color][/b
Hoops is lying to you guys, im good...ive gone through this like 20 times...if you dont believe barkeep you will never believe me...he obviously is a pirate who never viewed me and just said i was a pirate to cover himself up. I know hes lying, barkeep basically said he was, and you should all listen to me.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

And i would like to thank the person that freed me. I knew my trust in you wasnt unfounded yesterday...hopefully i can help a bit today before they wrongfully jail me again

[path12]

Hoops is lying to you guys, im good...ive gone through this like 20 times...if you dont believe barkeep you will never believe me...he obviously is a pirate who never viewed me and just said i was a pirate to cover himself up. I know hes lying, barkeep basically said he was, and you should all listen to me.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

And i would like to thank the person that freed me. I knew my trust in you wasnt unfounded yesterday...hopefully i can help a bit today before they wrongfully jail me again

Blade, you're off your usual game here. There's so much wrong with that:

1) It costs 7 GP to bail someone out -- I don't believe anyone had that much money after day 1.
2) The only other person who could have bailed you out was the swashbuckler pirate -- who is either you or would only do it if you were a fellow pirate.
3) You STILL haven't explained what you really did morning 1.

Do I really need to go on? :rolleyes:

[saldana]

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vote blade

[Qwikshot]

Hoops is lying to you guys, im good...ive gone through this like 20 times...if you dont believe barkeep you will never believe me...he obviously is a pirate who never viewed me and just said i was a pirate to cover himself up. I know hes lying, barkeep basically said he was, and you should all listen to me.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

And i would like to thank the person that freed me. I knew my trust in you wasnt unfounded yesterday...hopefully i can help a bit today before they wrongfully jail me again

Bullpuke, the only one that could free ya would'a been the pirate, or someone with 7 gold, and even 1 piece o' lint be too good to set you go. You go right back in tha brig.

[saldana]

heres my take on blade....he is doing exactly what he did last game....asking us to believe a bunch of crap that we have absolutley no way of confirming (what square sun was actually in) while spouting about his tremendous importance to us, and how much of a mistake we are all making....how much does the gun cost?

[Blade6119]

Blade, you're off your usual game here. There's so much wrong with that:

1) It costs 7 GP to bail someone out -- I don't believe anyone had that much money after day 1.
2) The only other person who could have bailed you out was the swashbuckler pirate -- who is either you or would only do it if you were a fellow pirate.
3) You STILL haven't explained what you really did morning 1.

Do I really need to go on? :rolleyes:
Not at all, you are set in your ways and thats all fine and dandy. College has dramatically interefered with my game this time, and i wont be in the next one at the least...i didnt study the rules the way i should have and made a mistake. Im just telling you what you should really be doing...You should lynch hoops(i know he is after last night) and kwhit(i just know he is too)....you should stay away from kingfc and schmidty...just telling you so when you realize whats going on you guys have a direct path to follow instead of running around all confused.

[path12]

So it looks like either Blade is the swashbuckler and set himself free, or the swashbuckler set him free and a third pirate followed Desnudo in the opposite direction from the jail and killed him. I'm not sure if they would have been able to double back after freeing Blade and get Des.

How about anyone who moved west toward the police station? Did you see anyone? It may be the swashbuckler.....

[KWhit]

It would be a really really bad strategy for a TH to unilaterally release Blade even if he knew Blade was a good guy. The fact that he's running free tells me even more certainly that he is a pirate.

Why? Because now we're just going to vote him back in. If a TH knows that Blade is good and that's why he freed him, come forward with everything you know NOW or we're gonna waste a vote.

Otherwise, Blade goes back in the clink.

[KWhit]

i didnt study the rules the way i should have and made a mistake.
What do you mean by this?

Exactly what mistake did you make?

[Blade6119]

What do you mean by this?

Exactly what mistake did you make?
I didnt want the wolves to know what i actually did, so i said i dug 3 times and used my actual gold total of 1. I had never read that each dig got the same amount of gold or i would have said i got 3. Rookie mistake, i made it, and im paying the price.

[KWhit]

But you still haven't explained what you did.

[Qwikshot]

ooc: Blade reminds me of Blair in The Thing...

There are a few probabilities to Blade's release:

1. Blade afforded bail
2. A fellow Treasure Hunter afforded bail
3. Swashbuckler freed him
4. Blade freed himself

I doubt #1, I strongly doubt #2...wouldn't he know who set bail for him? #4 present the case that Blade is the Swashbuckler; #3 implicates Blade as a pirate /unless/ the Pirates freed him to cause suspicion and make us waste another day voting him back in the brig.

The fly in the ointment is that we have Hoops stating what he is.

So now, we have to decide whether Hoops is forthright, or that Blade is.

[path12]

I didnt want the wolves to know what i actually did, so i said i dug 3 times and used my actual gold total of 1. I had never read that each dig got the same amount of gold or i would have said i got 3. Rookie mistake, i made it, and im paying the price.

There really wasn't much any of us could do on day 1 that needed to be such a big secret from the pirates. We didn't have any money or equipment. So you watched someone, or hid or dug if you were a treasure hunter.

That's why your secrecy is what damned you, especially when you said you were just an athlete.

And again, you still haven't said what exactly you did. So in my mind the only big secret you could have had is that you killed Sun.

[Blade6119]

AP1:HIDE
AP2:MOVE to C5
AP:HIDE
AP4:Watch anyone in C5(conditional order)
AP5:DIG

I got 1 gold, on my AP4 watch i saw Sndvls moving to C6, with someone behind him aways...that how i know he died in C6, as he moved there on AP4. While watching sndvls i saw the person following(not his identity) and someone else in C5...that person has STILL not spoken up, which i find utterly hilarious now. I got 1 dig from my 1 gold.

And barkeep told me by PM i couldnt HIDE twice again after i took these actions. He posted it in thread as well. I figured the Scourge role wouldnt be able to kill me if i kept hiding, and apparently barkeep agreed

[KWhit]

There really wasn't much any of us could do on day 1 that needed to be such a big secret from the pirates. We didn't have any money or equipment. So you watched someone, or hid or dug if you were a treasure hunter.

That's why your secrecy is what damned you, especially when you said you were just an athlete.

And again, you still haven't said what exactly you did. So in my mind the only big secret you could have had is that you killed Sun.
Yep.

This is a no-brainer.

[pennywisesb]

ooc: Blade reminds me of Blair in The Thing...

There are a few probabilities to Blade's release:

1. Blade afforded bail
2. A fellow Treasure Hunter afforded bail
3. Swashbuckler freed him
4. Blade freed himself

I doubt #1, I strongly doubt #2...wouldn't he know who set bail for him? #4 present the case that Blade is the Swashbuckler; #3 implicates Blade as a pirate /unless/ the Pirates freed him to cause suspicion and make us waste another day voting him back in the brig.

The fly in the ointment is that we have Hoops stating what he is.

So now, we have to decide whether Hoops is forthright, or that Blade is.

I never thought of this. If, and its a big if, Hoops is in fact bad, this play would make a ton of sense for the pirates. No one has officially cleared hoops yet as far as I can remember, so maybe we should be very careful trusting him. I think Blade is obviously trying to pull something again, but I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin. I don't want to get trapped trusting Hoops to the point that he takes us all for a ride if the above scenario is true. Any thoughts?

[Qwikshot]

I never thought of this. If, and its a big if, Hoops is in fact bad, this play would make a ton of sense for the pirates. No one has officially cleared hoops yet as far as I can remember, so maybe we should be very careful trusting him. I think Blade is obviously trying to pull something again, but I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin. I don't want to get trapped trusting Hoops to the point that he takes us all for a ride if the above scenario is true. Any thoughts?

The problem is...that you can only free once as the swashbuckler, and as for pooling the cash for 7 gp, it seems somewhat strange to do so...

[KWhit]

AP1:HIDE
AP2:MOVE to C5
AP:HIDE
AP4:Watch anyone in C5(conditional order)
AP5:DIG

I got 1 gold, on my AP4 watch i saw Sndvls moving to C6, with someone behind him aways...that how i know he died in C6, as he moved there on AP4. While watching sndvls i saw the person following(not his identity) and someone else in C5...that person has STILL not spoken up, which i find utterly hilarious now. I got 1 dig from my 1 gold.

And barkeep told me by PM i couldnt HIDE twice again after i took these actions. He posted it in thread as well. I figured the Scourge role wouldnt be able to kill me if i kept hiding, and apparently barkeep agreed
Bullshit.

Why is this such a big secret that you lied repeatedly to cover up your actions? There is nothing in that list of actions taht is any use to anyone.

And it still makes no sense for a TH to free you. None. A pirate had to free you or you freed yourself.

[Blade6119]

I never thought of this. If, and its a big if, Hoops is in fact bad, this play would make a ton of sense for the pirates. No one has officially cleared hoops yet as far as I can remember, so maybe we should be very careful trusting him. I think Blade is obviously trying to pull something again, but I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin. I don't want to get trapped trusting Hoops to the point that he takes us all for a ride if the above scenario is true. Any thoughts?
And someone finally starts to understand what ive been saying all along

[Qwikshot]

And someone finally starts to understand what ive been saying all along

Give credit where credit is due...I posted it...but let's face it...you are Blair...now I gotta find Palmer and Norris.

[Blade6119]

Bullshit.

Why is this such a big secret that you lied repeatedly to cover up your actions? There is nothing in that list of actions taht is any use to anyone.

And it still makes no sense for a TH to free you. None. A pirate had to free you or you freed yourself.
I DIDNT WANT THE SCOURGE TO KNOW I WAS DOUBLE HIDING...it made me invicible to night kill, which barkeep has since made a rule against...Is that so hard to understand? Not wanting the wolves to know you figured out a way to beat them

[Blade6119]

Give credit where credit is due...I posted it...but let's face it...you are Blair...now I gotta find Palmer and Norris.
Whos blair?

[KWhit]

I never thought of this. If, and its a big if, Hoops is in fact bad, this play would make a ton of sense for the pirates. No one has officially cleared hoops yet as far as I can remember, so maybe we should be very careful trusting him. I think Blade is obviously trying to pull something again, but I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin. I don't want to get trapped trusting Hoops to the point that he takes us all for a ride if the above scenario is true. Any thoughts?
It's certainly possible that hoops is bad, but it would be a huge gamble for him to put himself on the line like this just to cause some suspicion for 1 night. I don't think a pirate would feel that it was worth the risk.

[saldana]

And someone finally starts to understand what ive been saying all along
except that hoops was a last minute replacement, that we wouldnt have used if not for the fact that ardent tripped up too.

[pennywisesb]

It's certainly possible that hoops is bad, but it would be a huge gamble for him to put himself on the line like this just to cause some suspicion for 1 night. I don't think a pirate would feel that it was worth the risk.

I agree, and I want to make it noted that I don't necessarily believe thats what happened, I just wanted to elaborate on Quik's thoughts and to make sure that everyone knows there is another possibility.

[saldana]

dola, would you have us believe that hoops and ardent coordinated that? just so hoops could then step in at the last minute and free you.that would mean hoops and ardent are both pirates, and while i am pretty sure ardent is, i dont think hoops would make that kind of a blatant play this early.

[Blade6119]

except that hoops was a last minute replacement, that we wouldnt have used if not for the fact that ardent tripped up too.
Ya, what would a wolf have to gain from stepping in at the last second and being the savior of the night action, AND nailing what he says is a wolf...why would that appeal to a wolf? It just doesnt make any sense ;) :rolleyes:

[KWhit]

I DIDNT WANT THE SCOURGE TO KNOW I WAS DOUBLE HIDING...it made me invicible to night kill, which barkeep has since made a rule against...Is that so hard to understand? Not wanting the wolves to know you figured out a way to beat them
Why wouldn't you want to share that with all of the TH if it was such a great strategy?

[Blade6119]

Why wouldn't you want to share that with all of the TH if it was such a great strategy?
Think about it, the wolves can pick any of the 5 AP to kill...on day one they killed sndvls with AP5...telling you all to hide would make them be creative with their killings...i didnt want them to know i was on to something, and would slowly reveal it to people i trusted by getting walkie talkies

[path12]

I never thought of this. If, and its a big if, Hoops is in fact bad, this play would make a ton of sense for the pirates. No one has officially cleared hoops yet as far as I can remember, so maybe we should be very careful trusting him. I think Blade is obviously trying to pull something again, but I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin. I don't want to get trapped trusting Hoops to the point that he takes us all for a ride if the above scenario is true. Any thoughts?

I've been thinking about this. If hoops is bad he's playing it very well. All I know about hoops is that he saw where I was at on morning 1 and apparently was in the same spot (F6), since he zeroed in on how much gold the square produced per dig without anyone giving the rate. That leads me to believe he wasn't involved in Sun's death (B6).

Obviously that doesn't clear him as a pirate, just for that morning.

Too bad we can't verify roles on people who haven't been arrested.

[saldana]

Ya, what would a wolf have to gain from stepping in at the last second and being the savior of the night action, AND nailing what he says is a wolf...why would that appeal to a wolf? It just doesnt make any sense ;) :rolleyes:


i never said it didnt make sense, i said that there is no way hoops could have known it would have been necessary....he had no reason to cancel the original plan and put himself in the evidence room until i gave it to him. so now you are gonna call me a pirate to, right.

[Blade6119]

dola, would you have us believe that hoops and ardent coordinated that? just so hoops could then step in at the last minute and free you.that would mean hoops and ardent are both pirates, and while i am pretty sure ardent is, i dont think hoops would make that kind of a blatant play this early.
I would mostly...i know hoops is bad becuase i know im good...if he claims he scanned evidence then i know hes lying because the evidence would show me as good. So since it looks like the ardent move set hoops up to do it then i would assume the connection. And kwhit i have been listing since everyone agreed that he would do it, then despite ardents slip which i see as having no bearing on kwhits actions, he didnt go through with it. Did kwhit ever say why? Not that i saw, he just kinda stepped aside and let hoops do it

[path12]

...on day one they killed sndvls with AP5

How would you know that, pirate?

[Blade6119]

i never said it didnt make sense, i said that there is no way hoops could have known it would have been necessary....he had no reason to cancel the original plan and put himself in the evidence room until i gave it to him. so now you are gonna call me a pirate to, right.
Not at all...i think Hoops is one, and if you asked me AE and kwhit are the other 2 right now...if their are 4(i dont think so with the total players) i dont know the 4th yet.

[saldana]

Think about it, the wolves can pick any of the 5 AP to kill...on day one they killed sndvls with AP5

HOW IN THE BLUE HELL COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW THAT!!!!!

[saldana]

dola, mine looks cooler path.

[Blade6119]

HOW IN THE BLUE HELL COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW THAT!!!!!

AP1:HIDE
AP2:MOVE to C5
AP:HIDE
AP4:Watch anyone in C5(conditional order)
AP5: DIG

I got 1 gold, on my AP4 watch i saw Sndvls moving to C6, with someone behind him aways...that how i know he died in C6, as he moved there on AP4. While watching sndvls i saw the person following(not his identity) and someone else in C5...that person has STILL not spoken up, which i find utterly hilarious now. I got 1 dig from my 1 gold.

And barkeep told me by PM i couldnt HIDE twice again after i took these actions. He posted it in thread as well. I figured the Scourge role wouldnt be able to kill me if i kept hiding, and apparently barkeep agreed
I saw him alive on AP4...unless he was fleet of foot, he died on 5 in C6...

[path12]

dola, mine looks cooler path.

But mine was first. :D

[KWhit]

.on day one they killed sndvls with AP5...
Caught.

[Blade6119]

Caught.
Ive explained exactly how i know that...you can ignore it...i keep giving you guys information to link myself to the crime(being one square away, knowing his actual death location, and knowing what AP he died on)...a wolf would distance himself from the murder, i keep drawing closer...come on boys, think

[Blade6119]

Can the other person who was in C5 at least confirm it was 1 gold per dig?

[saldana]

I saw him alive on AP4...unless he was fleet of foot, he died on 5 in C6...

again, i call BS.

unless blade gets special PM's for his days activities, they dont give a point by point breakdown of the day...they just give a synopsis like "you found x gold" not buying it.....and why cant i find in the rules where i can go to buy that damn gun!

[Blade6119]

again, i call BS.

unless blade gets special PM's for his days activities, they dont give a point by point breakdown of the day...they just give a synopsis like "you found x gold" not buying it.....and why cant i find in the rules where i can go to buy that damn gun!
DID YOU WATCH ANYONE?? DO it tonight, and you will be notified of your results..i watched on AP4, so i was told...come on saldana, why would barkeep have me watch and then not tell me the results?

[Blade6119]

And since i did it on 4, i can only assume he was moving on AP4(which it said he was)...i cant imagine watching on 4 tells me he left on AP2...

[Desnudo]

That's the earliest I've ever died, I must be moving up in the world. At least I won't have to even begin to figure out how to put together a chart for this game. Good luck guys!

[Blade6119]

Double dola
that was a dola above...comment at end of last page

[Desnudo]

No dola for you, sorry.

[Blade6119]

And to kill sndvls and dig in C5 would be impossible if im not mistaken:

AP1:MOVE TO C5
AP2:MOVE TO C6(or double watch, but he would have been alerted to my presence and lost me according to the rules i believe)
AP3:KILL
AP4:MOVE TO C5
AP5:MOVE TO C5(its a river square, which=1 to enter two to exit...nothing was said it was different if you went backwards)..where would i have gotten to dig?

If i was the scourge

Ap1:STALK
AP2:STALK
AP3:STALK(takes 3 AP as per rules)
AP4:KILL
AP5: MOVE TO C5(fleet of foot would let me get to c5, but no dig)

So im waiting on the other person who was in C5 to support my claim it was 1 gold per dig...apparently that person doesnt want to help me....

[path12]

And to kill sndvls and dig in C5 would be impossible if im not mistaken:

AP1:MOVE TO C5
AP2:MOVE TO C6(or double watch, but he would have been alerted to my presence and lost me according to the rules i believe)
AP3:KILL
AP4:MOVE TO C5
AP5:MOVE TO C5(its a river square, which=1 to enter two to exit...nothing was said it was different if you went backwards)..where would i have gotten to dig?

If i was the scourge

Ap1:STALK
AP2:STALK
AP3:STALK(takes 3 AP as per rules)
AP4:KILL
AP5: MOVE TO C5(fleet of foot would let me get to c5, but no dig)

So im waiting on the other person who was in C5 to support my claim it was 1 gold per dig...apparently that person doesnt want to help me....

The river square only costs 2 if you're going through it. To enter it and leave from the same side is just 1 as I understand it. You can try again though -- and don't forget that extra fleet of foot move.

[saldana]

DID YOU WATCH ANYONE?? DO it tonight, and you will be notified of your results..i watched on AP4, so i was told...come on saldana, why would barkeep have me watch and then not tell me the results?


funny, i got the information about ardent being in my square just because he was in my square....i walked for 4 ap and dug for 1, and still knew what you are saying you had to spend an AP to find out....."we're sorry, your call could not be completed as dialed, please check the number and dial again"


keep trying though....this is amusing to me

[saldana]

dola, damn it Path.....stop posting the same things as me 20 seconds before i do!!!

[saldana]

double dola, i gotta go to work, so i am out til at least 6.

[Blade6119]

The river square only costs 2 if you're going through it. To enter it and leave from the same side is just 1 as I understand it. You can try again though -- and don't forget that extra fleet of foot move.
I understand it differently, but its all good. Im heading to classes for most of the day now, so due to this i must bid you adieu...lock me up, whatever...ive told you who not to trust, and that is that. Im long past earning any trust by anything but jailing, so frankly im a bit happy to go. Have a good time jailing me everyone, hope you guys take my advice on players and stop jailing good guys...three villagers will have died by the time you find out my role...after night actions tonight..and im the stupid one? :rolleyes:

Anywho, have a good day you guys, best of luck in your decisions the rest of the game. Thanks again to the person who freed me, i wont give you up(even if i dont know if your a swashbuckler or TH)...i guess i owe you one

[Blade6119]

funny, i got the information about ardent being in my square just because he was in my square....i walked for 4 ap and dug for 1, and still knew what you are saying you had to spend an AP to find out....."we're sorry, your call could not be completed as dialed, please check the number and dial again"


keep trying though....this is amusing to me
Did it tell you what he was doing though? Did it tell you he was digging or moving? I didnt think so...you guys amuse me too, shame it has to end

[Poli]

I still don't follow how saldana and I were digging in the same spot when I wasn't aware of it. I still don't care for this stupid game.

Vote blade6119

[Vince]

On the contrary, I love this game :) Maybe it's just because I've been out of Werewolf games for a while...but I love the dynamic that it isn't solely vote for X person -- we ALL have ulterior motives (getting gold).

Hrm...the only thing I worry about is a contingency of Pirates who have forsaken the Mercenary route, and decided to just kill us all. They could have pooled their gold on day one, and paid to bail out Blade, even though he's an innocent. That buys another night of them all being out of jail. Not saying it's true...but it could be.

I'm off to work (and I might not even be late, yay!), but this pretty much has to be done.

Vote Blade6119

[Qwikshot]

I still don't follow how saldana and I were digging in the same spot when I wasn't aware of it. I still don't care for this stupid game.

Vote blade6119

I believe that if more than one person is in one spot doesn't neccessarily mean you will see the other player.

[pennywisesb]

I believe that if more than one person is in one spot doesn't neccessarily mean you will see the other player.

I can vouch for this. I saw AlanT on day one but he did not see me.

[path12]

Hrm...the only thing I worry about is a contingency of Pirates who have forsaken the Mercenary route, and decided to just kill us all. They could have pooled their gold on day one, and paid to bail out Blade, even though he's an innocent. That buys another night of them all being out of jail. Not saying it's true...but it could be.

I worry about this some too, but at least they'd have to kill ALL of us instead of just getting down to a 1:1 ratio. I've gotta think that's a tough goal to reach.

[Poli]

On the contrary, I love this game :)

I probably would. I thought I was doing the right thing yesterday. Thought I was helping out. Now it appears because barkeep messed up I'm being hung out to dry.

Fine. Whatever. I've got more important things to deal with anyway.

[Poli]

Ping: Grammaticus

You can have my spot for all I care.

[Blade6119]

I worry about this some too, but at least they'd have to kill ALL of us instead of just getting down to a 1:1 ratio. I've gotta think that's a tough goal to reach.
They hit 1-1 its already over...basically they kill every night and during the day they pick who goes to jail...esp. less then 1-1...they have 3-2 or whatever, you can do nothing to stop them...kill everyone and 1-1 are the same thing, just add 1 day....and if the numbers get that low your not hitting 100 gold to stop them...just saying, its not really all that tough with the way things are going right now(3 villagers dead before you jail me for good, and even then thats another villager...so basically 3 days down and your at square one again...)

[Blade6119]

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<s>1. SnDvls</s> Killed Morning 1
2. Blade6119
<s>3. Desnudo</s> Killed Morning 2
4. path12
5. Alan_T
6. pennywisesb
7. hoopsguy
8. Raiders Army
9. saldana
10. KWhit
11. Qwikshot
12. Grammaticus
13. TazFTW
14. kingfc22
15. ardent enthusiast
16. schmidty
18. Vince
Thought i would post this just in case people forgot who was playing...some of them havent said more then like 2 words since this game started(schmidty, taz, gramat, king)....i dont know if they are bad like i do hoops, but just laughing at the irony...1/4th of the alive players arent helping at all and no one seems to notice...god bless you guys :p

[Blade6119]

Ping: Grammaticus

You can have my spot for all I care.
Dola, gramat is playing...so he cant have your spot...yes, he has contributed that little

[KWhit]

Thought i would post this just in case people forgot who was playing...some of them havent said more then like 2 words since this game started(schmidty, taz, gramat, king)....i dont know if they are bad like i do hoops, but just laughing at the irony...1/4th of the alive players arent helping at all and no one seems to notice...god bless you guys :p
If you are a TH, you certainly haven't helped us by lying to all of us.

[TazFTW]

Thought i would post this just in case people forgot who was playing...some of them havent said more then like 2 words since this game started(schmidty, taz, gramat, king)
Are you freakin' kidding me?!?!

[Blade6119]

If you are a TH, you certainly haven't helped us by lying to all of us.
I lied to all of you non-stop last game, and was i not helping you guys? I spoon-fed three to you guys, and had a 4th pegged...just becuase someone lies doesnt mean their not helping. And i got caught in lie after lie last game...you of all people should see that, unless you are chosing to overlook it for some reason :rolleyes:

[Blade6119]

Are you freakin' kidding me?!?!
You have more then the others, granted...i lumped you in, i aplogize...but are you going to say the other three have been posting even at a normal rate?

[TazFTW]

BID 1 GOLD

[Blade6119]

You have more then the others, granted...i lumped you in, i aplogize...but are you going to say the other three have been posting even at a normal rate?
DOLA, NM...i should apologize to king, not you....the bottom 4 reads like this(from bottom to top):
Scmidty, gramat, penny, taz)...king is almost double anyone in that group in posts...

So no taz, im not freaking kidding you

[TazFTW]

VOTE BLADE

[Blade6119]

LOL, good old taz...you guys really do crack me up

[KWhit]

LOL, good old taz...you guys really do crack me up
You're obviously pissed off to be receiving votes.

Word of advice: look at your own play and don't criticize everyone else's.

[Blade6119]

You're obviously pissed off to be receiving votes.

Word of advice: look at your own play and don't criticize everyone else's.
Quick question, who did i criticize? Ive come to terms with the fact im getting jailed...and after being pissed off yesterday i could care less today. The second i got bailed i knew it was going to happen. Im just laughing that about an actual fact(want post total numbers?) out loud. Ive admitted i played a poor game. I dont know what, other then you being blind with your dislike of me, you fail to miss. Just like you chose to ignore the fact i played the exact same way last game and was totally on the villagers side...its comical, i know before you guys even act whos going to do what in response to my moves. Taz will stay quiet and get pissed the second someone brings him up(i think he studied at the school of schmidty), while you will do your own thing and ignore any posts i make that actually make sense...i love it, if im going to jail i want to have fun laughing at you oblivious idiots first

[KWhit]

Quick question, who did i criticize? Ive come to terms with the fact im getting jailed...and after being pissed off yesterday i could care less today. The second i got bailed i knew it was going to happen. Im just laughing that about an actual fact(want post total numbers?) out loud. Ive admitted i played a poor game. I dont know what, other then you being blind with your dislike of me, you fail to miss. Just like you chose to ignore the fact i played the exact same way last game and was totally on the villagers side...its comical, i know before you guys even act whos going to do what in response to my moves. Taz will stay quiet and get pissed the second someone brings him up(i think he studied at the school of schmidty), while you will do your own thing and ignore any posts i make that actually make sense...i love it, if im going to jail i want to have fun laughing at you oblivious idiots first
Classy.

[path12]

Quick question, who did i criticize?

...i love it, if im going to jail i want to have fun laughing at you oblivious idiots first

:rolleyes: Your immaturity really shows sometimes. Maybe you should realize something -- we are all here because of a love for text-based simulations . That's a pretty smart group to begin with, so maybe you might want to rethink who you're calling idiots.

[TazFTW]

So was anyone watching Ardent this morning?

[path12]

So was anyone watching Ardent this morning?

I wasn't. That's kind of why I was curious earlier though as to who else headed west and if they saw anyone.

[KWhit]

Bid 2 Gold.

[TazFTW]

Well I stayed in town and I didn't see anyone in the squares I were in.

[TazFTW]

Bid 2 Gold.
Damn it. :(

[KWhit]

Sorry. It's probably worthless anyway.

:)

[TazFTW]

Not if it is a winning powerball ticket. Or a Willy Wonka golden ticket. Mmmm chocolate...

[Raiders Army]

I'm sorry, but I've been out for the day. Tomorrow is no better. I may have to back out of this game due to work. If you guys can stand some inactivity from me for one more day, I'll gut it out.

[Raiders Army]

I'm going to have to read up when I get home too...

[path12]

This is reminding me:

Give hoops 1 gold

[KWhit]

Gut it out. Sounds like AE may quit. We need all the players we can get.

[KWhit]

Gotta run, guys. I'll be back around later on.

[Schmidty]

Thought i would post this just in case people forgot who was playing...some of them havent said more then like 2 words since this game started(schmidty, taz, gramat, king)....i dont know if they are bad like i do hoops, but just laughing at the irony...1/4th of the alive players arent helping at all and no one seems to notice...god bless you guys :p

I have no idea why I'm on that list. I've posted more than two words if you actually look back. You always LOOK for trouble, so here's some for ya:

Vote Blade

[TazFTW]

This is reminding me:

Give hoops 1 gold
I don't think that is how it works. I think you can only give during a morning action.

Which brings up Desnudo's death. He mentioned he had 2 gold to give to KWhit. Could he have been killed for his gold? He died in E5, which is 1 square from the start. An early death?

But if it was for gold, why wasn't hoops killed? He said he had 4 gold to view the evidence locker.

[Schmidty]

Quick question, who did i criticize? Ive come to terms with the fact im getting jailed...and after being pissed off yesterday i could care less today. The second i got bailed i knew it was going to happen. Im just laughing that about an actual fact(want post total numbers?) out loud. Ive admitted i played a poor game. I dont know what, other then you being blind with your dislike of me, you fail to miss. Just like you chose to ignore the fact i played the exact same way last game and was totally on the villagers side...its comical, i know before you guys even act whos going to do what in response to my moves. Taz will stay quiet and get pissed the second someone brings him up(i think he studied at the school of schmidty), while you will do your own thing and ignore any posts i make that actually make sense...i love it, if im going to jail i want to have fun laughing at you oblivious idiots first

You have problems in your life, don't you.

Grow the hell up.

[pennywisesb]

Which brings up Desnudo's death. He mentioned he had 2 gold to give to KWhit. Could he have been killed for his gold? He died in E5, which is 1 square from the start. An early death?

But if it was for gold, why wasn't hoops killed? He said he had 4 gold to view the evidence locker.

This struck me as odd as well. I don't think Desnudo did anything other than mention the amount of gold he had that would have gotten him killed. In my mind this would clear KWit for the time being, because Desnudo was going to give him the gold anyway, so there'd be no reason to kill him.

[TazFTW]

So then hoops not being killed could mean that

a) hoops is a pirate
b) hoops is being framed as a pirate (the pirates would want us to come to the conclusion that hoops is a pirate)
c) hoops wasn't seen by the pirate with the knife (a well placed hide command/dumb luck)

[Barkeep49]

Path's give to hoops is fine. You may give and recieve during the afternoon and evening but it must be posted to the thread, as Path did. Any item or gold may be passed, without restriction, during that time.

[Barkeep49]

Dola -- Just read through the thread. Have a job interview followed by shopping to do. Will answer PMs ASAP.

[kingfc22]

Just got home. Going to catch up now.

[kingfc22]

Just got to the post where Blade is a pirate. I haven't read on but we need to put him back in his cell and force the pirates to use up their gold and AP's.

VOTE BLADE

[kingfc22]

So then hoops not being killed could mean that

a) hoops is a pirate
b) hoops is being framed as a pirate (the pirates would want us to come to the conclusion that hoops is a pirate)
c) hoops wasn't seen by the pirate with the knife (a well placed hide command/dumb luck)I think the Pirates were afraid that someone would be watching hoops so they chose to go after a different target, but I'm not ruling out that Hoops may be a pirate.

I think we could easily find out if KWhit or someone "trusted" view the evidence in the morning phase.

On a side note, my quest for gold led to another below avg. gold spot.

[kingfc22]

Too quiet today.

[Blade6119]

I have no idea why I'm on that list. I've posted more than two words if you actually look back. You always LOOK for trouble, so here's some for ya:

Vote Blade
You`have less posts then pages in this thread...one`of two(gramat`does as well)...you dont call that not posting much?

[Blade6119]

You have problems in your life, don't you.

Grow the hell up.
My life is as happy as could be, i take this board for what it is...an internet message board...maybe you shouldn't take things so god damn seriously and realize this is a game....and we all play a different part. Im not the first one to say that about you, and i can quote if you would like. Im playing my game, and if that entails things you dont like deal with it. Its nothing personal, and nothing to do with outside life. Maybe you should think about that, and lighten the hell up :)

[Alan T]

(Out of Game)
I'm not allowed to say anything in game right now, so this is purely out of game context. I just had to say something because its been bugging me lately. it seems like every game these days have been getting more and more heated personally in an OOC context. Not villagers putting the heat on the wolves, but instead insults, flames and discontent.

I'm not going to tell anyone to play the game in a style thats not their's, but all of the bashing takes away some of the fun for me. I know everyone won't always like each other, but can we make it a little more happy? :)

(end: Out of Game message)

[Schmidty]

maybe you shouldn't take things so god damn seriously and realize this is a game....

That is literally the funniest thing I have ever read. It's like Louie Anderson calling someone else a fat ass. :)

[saldana]

Its nothing personal, and nothing to do with outside life. Maybe you should think about that, and lighten the hell up :)

i agree with alan, why do these games always end up like this....Blade, i dont know how you deal with people in a day to day life, and however you do,and however you decide to interact with people on this board is totally up to you, but AFAIC, calling us idiots because you dont like the way we are playing or the decisions we are making IS 100% PERSONAL. if you dont realize that, and that the reason some people get so pissed with you is because you throw insults around like that, and then make it seem like we are the ones that have personal interaction issues. I generally like you, which i think you know, and i am generally a very calm guy, but people play this game and spend time on this board to relax, not to be called an idiot under any context. You are way out of line, and if i werent voting for you because i think you're a pirate, I would vote for you at this point because i want to enjoy this game...something that you are currently making difficult.

Maybe you should think about that.

[Schmidty]

i agree with alan, why do these games always end up like this....Blade, i dont know how you deal with people in a day to day life, and however you do,and however you decide to interact with people on this board is totally up to you, but AFAIC, calling us idiots because you dont like the way we are playing or the decisions we are making IS 100% PERSONAL. if you dont realize that, and that the reason some people get so pissed with you is because you throw insults around like that, and then make it seem like we are the ones that have personal interaction issues. I generally like you, which i think you know, and i am generally a very calm guy, but people play this game and spend time on this board to relax, not to be called an idiot under any context. You are way out of line, and if i werent voting for you because i think you're a pirate, I would vote for you at this point because i want to enjoy this game...something that you are currently making difficult.

Maybe you should think about that.

Word up.

[Qwikshot]

i agree with alan, why do these games always end up like this....Blade, i dont know how you deal with people in a day to day life, and however you do,and however you decide to interact with people on this board is totally up to you, but AFAIC, calling us idiots because you dont like the way we are playing or the decisions we are making IS 100% PERSONAL. if you dont realize that, and that the reason some people get so pissed with you is because you throw insults around like that, and then make it seem like we are the ones that have personal interaction issues. I generally like you, which i think you know, and i am generally a very calm guy, but people play this game and spend time on this board to relax, not to be called an idiot under any context. You are way out of line, and if i werent voting for you because i think you're a pirate, I would vote for you at this point because i want to enjoy this game...something that you are currently making difficult.

Maybe you should think about that.


I agree with Saladshooter :p

[Vince]

(Out of Game)
I'm not allowed to say anything in game right now, so this is purely out of game context. I just had to say something because its been bugging me lately. it seems like every game these days have been getting more and more heated personally in an OOC context. Not villagers putting the heat on the wolves, but instead insults, flames and discontent.

I'm not going to tell anyone to play the game in a style thats not their's, but all of the bashing takes away some of the fun for me. I know everyone won't always like each other, but can we make it a little more happy? :)

(end: Out of Game message)
Why aren't you allowed to say anything in the game right now? As far as I can tell, Blade was the only one in jail, and TazFTW and Desnudo are the only ones who are dead.

[Vince]

That last post should read SunDvls and Desnudo, not TazFTW and Desnudo.

[pennywisesb]

That last post should read SunDvls and Desnudo, not TazFTW and Desnudo.
Because he's camping Vince, come on. :p

[Vince]

Ah, good point. I'm going to go check who else is camping.

[Vince]

Dola -- Grammaticus is also camping -- kind of deflates Blade's logic of him not posting much (though it doesn't excuse him for the first day).

So far, I haven't seen anything that would convince me not to vote for Blade, though things are definitely getting murkier.

[saldana]

Because he's camping Vince, come on. :p
i was actually wondering the same thing.

[pennywisesb]

i was actually wondering the same thing.

I was just giving Vince crap (we have been buddies outside of FOFC for like 8 years)

I didn't mean to offend you if I did.

[Barkeep49]

Let me say that I 100% agree with all those who encourage this to be game related. Only one time has this game been anything but fun for me and it involved a certain edge so I understand the pushing of buttons but please step away if it's doing that. This is about fun. I apperciate what everyone does in their own way to make it fun.

Ok going to try and do the messages. Lynch might be a little late, though not much.

[Raiders Army]

ooc: Blade reminds me of Blair in The Thing...

There are a few probabilities to Blade's release:

1. Blade afforded bail
2. A fellow Treasure Hunter afforded bail
3. Swashbuckler freed him
4. Blade freed himself

I doubt #1, I strongly doubt #2...wouldn't he know who set bail for him? #4 present the case that Blade is the Swashbuckler; #3 implicates Blade as a pirate /unless/ the Pirates freed him to cause suspicion and make us waste another day voting him back in the brig.

The fly in the ointment is that we have Hoops stating what he is.

So now, we have to decide whether Hoops is forthright, or that Blade is.
Your best post in the thread Qwikshit.

[kingfc22]

I wonder why Gramm and Alan both decided to camp so early.

[TazFTW]

Better to camp out early than to not at all?

[Poli]

Screw this. I'm not giving out the gold I dug up yesterday. I'm putting it to my own good use.

Bid 3 gold

[kingfc22]

So do we want somebody to verify Blade's role? I'm fairly confident that Hoops is telling the truth since the 7 GP needed to free Blade seems unlikely.

[Barkeep49]

Shady slithers into your Hut. 3 GP? You will not be unhappy with the voyage that this envelope takes you on Ardent. Best wishes.

This time the puase is noticably longer until the police arrive.

"OK who are you saying is guilty today?"

A chorus of hands point to Blade.

"Yeah that was real original. OK Buddy you're coming with us."

Get those morning orders in ASAP. I will be going out of town Friday morning early until Sunday. This was last minute, but could not be avoided. Here's my plan:

Do orders normally tonight.
Have an evening deadline of Sunday at 8 AM. Ask all players to submit morning orders by 8 AM Monday. I will adjudicate the lynch later, voting would simply close. I should be home around 2 or so Sunday if you wish to wait to see what happens; alternatively if there's a dead person who would volunteer to help, that would work as well. Then proceed normally. Please let me know what you think.

[hoopsguy]

OK, back and caught up with the read. I wasn't sure what I was hoping for with Blade, but him being a pirate is what I expected to see. Now that he is back in jail again I would ask that someone else (besides Ardent) take it upon themselves to view him. They should see the same thing I did last night.

Path, thank you for the gold piece (hope I'm crediting the right person, tried to read quickly).

I'm not sure why Desnudo was trailed last night instead of me, but I'm hoping it is because the pirates did not get their orders updated after I switched mine late. I'm torn between just announcing my location and letting the pirates take the chance of coming for me (I expect to be watched if I announce) or working in a hide action to try and evade.

[path12]

Hoops, did you get any information on a role or just a pirate?

[TazFTW]

Good question.

[Alan T]

Hi guys, sorry I have been out of touch.. I decided to do a little research of our little island. I'm still looking at some stuff, but I plan on having a full report of what i find after this morning.

Good work with Blade, I fully stand behind your choice there.

Right now I think my trust list is reading something like:

Full trust - No one

Good trust - Kwhit

Some trust - Path, Hoops

Some distrust - Raiders, Ardent, Vince, Penny

Hi distrust - Blade

As for why did I choose to camp out so early? Well I usually die some day by day 3 in these games, so I might as well do my part to help our monopoly before I go :) I plan on trying to further solidify my trust this turn and head to the bank and make a will out as well before this morning is over

Also I can verify a statement Path made earlier about seeing Grammaticus at D3. I saw both Path and Grammaticus, but no one else at D3 that same morning.

[hoopsguy]

Path, had not even checked my PMs until you posted here - only had my message posted by Barkeep (one of two, different logic for pirate/TH) to know that he was a pirate.

After reading it I strongly believe that he is the scourge. I'm going to try and stay away from too closely quoting the PM after the "simple" fiasco last game, but I would expect that the person looking tonight will see the same thing I saw.

[KWhit]

After reading it I strongly believe that he is the scourge.
That makes sense. Part of his defense was that he hid twice in order to try to thwart the scourge.

My guess is that he (as the scourge) pored over the rules to see what tactics people might try to use to counter his abilities and that's where he got the idea of his defense.

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, you would be right near the top of my choices to scope out Blade tonight.

Others would include:
1. TazFTW - put heat on AE, has played good game
2. Saldana - appears to have been headed in same direction as Taz, also contributed to this
3. Path - know he was not Night 1 kill, brought heat on Blade
4. Alan T - would like to solidify trust with him, should have funds to do this

It is redundant and costs an extra 4 GP, but if people think that I'm a pirate and that Blade is an innocent treasure hunter then I get the logic behind doing this.

This will put a bigger bullseye on me, but I'm fine with that. I generally try to play the best game that I can for as long as the bad guys let me live when I don't have a special role.

[Alan T]

KWhit, you would be right near the top of my choices to scope out Blade tonight.

Others would include:
1. TazFTW - put heat on AE, has played good game
2. Saldana - appears to have been headed in same direction as Taz, also contributed to this
3. Path - know he was not Night 1 kill, brought heat on Blade
4. Alan T - would like to solidify trust with him, should have funds to do this

It is redundant and costs an extra 4 GP, but if people think that I'm a pirate and that Blade is an innocent treasure hunter then I get the logic behind doing this.

This will put a bigger bullseye on me, but I'm fine with that. I generally try to play the best game that I can for as long as the bad guys let me live when I don't have a special role.

I would be happy to do this, but I can't tonight. Because of my location and needing to get to the bank, I won't have enough APs to. I am happy to contibute to the cause as I can though. You mention you know Path was not the Night 1 kill. I think its safe to say Path is likely not Night 2 killer either as I saw him heading a different direction (same way I went). Thats why he is up a little on my trust list right now.

[TazFTW]

I am also considering checking up on the evidence room but I don't have the gold to do it. stupid 1 gold squares

[hoopsguy]

Taz, what do you need? If it is just 1 GP I can help you out there. I'll take an AP to do it this time around because it clears me and hangs a pirate.

[TazFTW]

Nah, I'll need more than 1 gold. I spent what I had on morning 2 and the place that I dug on morning 2 only gave me 1 gold.

[Barkeep49]

I would be happy to do this, but I can't tonight. Because of my location and needing to get to the bank, I won't have enough APs to. I am happy to contibute to the cause as I can though. You mention you know Path was not the Night 1 kill. I think its safe to say Path is likely not Night 2 killer either as I saw him heading a different direction (same way I went). Thats why he is up a little on my trust list right now.
Hush you. Not until morning. :)

[Alan T]

Hush you. Not until morning. :)


oh woops, sorry thought we were in morning cycle!

*back to my corner till morning cycle*

[KWhit]

I honestly don't think we need to view him again tonight. I feel confident that he's a pirate. Viewing the evidence just puts one of us at risk of getting killed and uses up gold and AP. It would be nice to know for sure, but I'm 90% there already and at this point that's good enough for me.

[KWhit]

oh woops, sorry thought we were in morning cycle!

*back to my corner till morning cycle*
Cheater.

;)

[KWhit]

When is the deadline to get our actions in? The thread title isn't updated.

[path12]

Taz, what do you need? If it is just 1 GP I can help you out there. I'll take an AP to do it this time around because it clears me and hangs a pirate.

Hoops, if you want to give me back that gold piece I'll do it -- but only if others trust me to verify.

[path12]

I honestly don't think we need to view him again tonight. I feel confident that he's a pirate. Viewing the evidence just puts one of us at risk of getting killed and uses up gold and AP. It would be nice to know for sure, but I'm 90% there already and at this point that's good enough for me.

But then, I agree with this also. Either way is fine with me if we can come to a small consensus of the people online now.

[path12]

oh woops, sorry thought we were in morning cycle!

*back to my corner till morning cycle*

I'm glad you can't camp out any more -- who's going to count votes?
;)

[hoopsguy]

Path, I can give it to you instead of Taz. I have a pretty good amount of trust in you, even without information that should not have been posted by that one guy ...

(cough ... ALAN .... cough)

Just let me know if one of you guys is going to go that route so I can have the proper actions submitted. If we aren't doing this then I want a little more flexibility on my actions tonight.

[kingfc22]

Nah, I'll need more than 1 gold. I spent what I had on morning 2 and the place that I dug on morning 2 only gave me 1 gold.What square only allowed 1 gold pieces? I would hate it for us to not know what squares are duds and waste a turn digging in a location that someone knows is bad.

[path12]

Path, I can give it to you instead of Taz. I have a pretty good amount of trust in you, even without information that should not have been posted by that one guy ...

(cough ... ALAN .... cough)

Just let me know if one of you guys is going to go that route so I can have the proper actions submitted. If we aren't doing this then I want a little more flexibility on my actions tonight.

We can go two ways with this. We can either do it tonight and publicly like this, or have one of us do it on our own in the next couple of days. I tend to agree with what KWhit said a few posts back -- I'm nearly positive Blade is bad anyway and don't have any reason as of yet to think you're lying......so I don't know how quickly we need to rush it.

[Vince]

Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs...sad to see that I have somewhat earned the distrust of Alan T though. Was it simply my flip-flop on day one? Stupid technical difficulties with the website...

[Vince]

Oops, just noticed you can't talk until later. Forget it -- I'll bring it up again later.

[TazFTW]

What square only allowed 1 gold pieces? I would hate it for us to not know what squares are duds and waste a turn digging in a location that someone knows is bad.
The bank square. Barkeep said you could dig in any square but D4. I figured the closest squares would not get digged up much as people would go toward the edges first. Maybe I could dig into the bank vault. :D

[path12]

The bank square. Barkeep said you could dig in any square but D4. I figured the closest squares would not get digged up much as people would go toward the edges first. Maybe I could dig into the bank vault. :D

I was wondering about that when you said you spent the morning in town. See anyone or did you already say and I shouldn't have that next whiskey?

[kingfc22]

The bank square. Barkeep said you could dig in any square but D4. I figured the closest squares would not get digged up much as people would go toward the edges first. Maybe I could dig into the bank vault. :D
lol

[Poli]

I think I can help us win the game if I do one action, thanks to the letter.

Can I give the letter to someone right now, or do I have to wait for an AP?

[Poli]

I mistyped. I meant, I can help us win the game if I give the letter to the right person. It wouldn't require an action by me, other than to "give" the letter.

[KWhit]

I dunno.

[kingfc22]

I think I can help us win the game if I do one action, thanks to the letter.

Can I give the letter to someone right now, or do I have to wait for an AP?You have to use an AP and be in the same square to "give" in the morning phase. Only in the evening and afternoon can you pass items freely as long as it is posted on the board.

[TazFTW]

I was wondering about that when you said you spent the morning in town. See anyone or did you already say and I shouldn't have that next whiskey?
I did mention it earlier and I didn't see anyone at the bank.

[path12]

I mistyped. I meant, I can help us win the game if I give the letter to the right person. It wouldn't require an action by me, other than to "give" the letter.

We're still in the morning phase so you'd have to give it as an action in your list to hoops. I'd think you'd want to make it your first action in order to make sure the person you want to give it to is there, but I can't swear to that and don't know if barkeep will tell.....

[Poli]

You have to use an AP and be in the same square to "give" in the morning phase. Only in the evening and afternoon can you pass items freely as long as it is posted on the board.
Hmm. Now this sucks. Someone want to volunteer? I don't want to die with this letter in my hand.

[path12]

We're still in the morning phase so you'd have to give it as an action in your list to hoops. I'd think you'd want to make it your first action in order to make sure the person you want to give it to is there, but I can't swear to that and don't know if barkeep will tell.....

Oops -- I meant your list to barkeep.

I had hoops on my mind because it looks to me like there is not really much of a clamor for an instant confirmation on Blade, so I think we should just stay loose this turn.....

[path12]

I did mention it earlier and I didn't see anyone at the bank.

Too late, I just poured the next whiskey.... :D

Thanks, sorry for forgetting.

[kingfc22]

Hmm. Now this sucks. Someone want to volunteer? I don't want to die with this letter in my hand.Put it in the bank and leave it in your will.

[KWhit]

Hmm. Now this sucks. Someone want to volunteer? I don't want to die with this letter in my hand.
Just quickly throwing out ideas:
I would wait until tomorrow then I guess. Try to stay alive tonight (maybe - hopefully all the pirates have already left the thread for the night). Use a hide action.

[path12]

Put it in the bank and leave it in your will.

You'll need a gold piece for the safety deposit box. Do you have one or did you spend it all on the auction?

[KWhit]

Put it in the bank and leave it in your will.
That's a good idea too.

[Poli]

Put it in the bank and leave it in your will.
Gotcha.

[Poli]

I'm sooo nervous right now.

[hoopsguy]

AE, do you need to give the letter to a specific person or just avoid a pirate?

[Poli]

I have to give the letter to another treasure hunter. If I can do that, he will win the game for us.

[hoopsguy]

Path, I'm planning to give you 1 GP on the first phase. So if you want to check out Blade during this day cycle you will have the money.

[Poli]

You'll need a gold piece for the safety deposit box. Do you have one or did you spend it all on the auction?

DANG IT!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

[KWhit]

I have to give the letter to another treasure hunter. If I can do that, he will win the game for us.
:eek:

[hoopsguy]

Any treasure hunter or one with a specific role? Trying to figure out if I'm buying your story ...

[path12]

:eek:

Ditto. Should someone give him a gold piece for a box?

[kingfc22]

AE - Why can't you read the letter yourself?

[TazFTW]

Hmm. Now this sucks. Someone want to volunteer? I don't want to die with this letter in my hand.
The thing is that after Barkeep processes the morning actions, you are going to be high on most people's jail him list. I mean if it weren't for Blade being released my vote would have likely gone to you.

If you are indeed a pirate, I don't see why would you be killed. If you are a treasure hunter, why would the pirates waste a kill on you when you're most likely going to jail.

[Poli]

AE - Why can't you read the letter yourself?
I have, but it's of no use to me...you guys are bent on jailing me.

I sent in a conditional AP. I'm giving the letter to anyone sitting here in the hut on AP1.

[Poli]

Any treasure hunter or one with a specific role? Trying to figure out if I'm buying your story ...
ANy dang it, any!!

[Poli]

Ditto. Should someone give him a gold piece for a box?Too late now. Cross your fingers.

[Poli]

If this works, you guys are so going to love me.

[Barkeep49]

Morning is over. No further orders will be accepted.

A player may give to another as long as they start in the same square so Ardent can give anyone anything he has on the first turn as everyone starts in D4.

Also I was asked in PM but thougth I should answer here: If a will is used, the person who is bequeathed is publicly known.

[Poli]

YES!!

[kingfc22]

This should be interesting.

[path12]

Path, I'm planning to give you 1 GP on the first phase. So if you want to check out Blade during this day cycle you will have the money.

Hoops, I tried to revise my orders but barkeep's PM box is full. I will do it at some point soon though. And I'll give you the GP back in the afternoon assuming I'm still alive.....sorry for wasting your AP.

[KWhit]

Interesting.

[hoopsguy]

No worries - figure that someone will view him sooner or later and I would help make it sooner if I could.

[Poli]

FYI, I chose to trust hoops since he pointed out blade is the scourge pirate.

My first AP was to give him the letter if he was here, and to give it anyone sitting here after that...and from what barkeep said hoops will be.

[Poli]

Hoops, you've just been made a Captain. Bring home the big guns, please.

[kingfc22]

I really hope you are a good guy hoops!

[Poli]

You're not the only one.

[KWhit]

Oh jeez, I hope hoops is good.

*gulp*

[hoopsguy]

How worried should we be that a suspected pirate is excited about a ruling?

Anyone remember the WW game where Fouts kept promising to deliver an item every day and it never materialized? This feels like a variation on that - I'm expecting that Ardent's item won't do anything and he will be mystified that it didn't work.

"Did I read the PM wrong?"

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"I must have given it to a pirate! We are doomed"

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"Argh - why didn't ye walk the plank? And why is this parrot on my shoulder?"

[Alan T]

So can I talk now? its been kinda lonely in the mine by myself.....

[path12]

So can I talk now? its been kinda lonely in the mine by myself.....

Mine?

[KWhit]

We'll see soon enough.

[hoopsguy]

Guys, if there are any worries at all about my loyalties please (pretty please with sugar on top) spend the 4 GPs to see Blade tomorrow.

Captain Hoopsguy? This should be rich ...

[kingfc22]

Mine?Did he say goooooooold? I love gooooooold!!!

[Poli]

How worried should we be that a suspected pirate is excited about a ruling?

Anyone remember the WW game where Fouts kept promising to deliver an item every day and it never materialized? This feels like a variation on that - I'm expecting that Ardent's item won't do anything and he will be mystified that it didn't work.

"Did I read the PM wrong?"

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"I must have given it to a pirate! We are doomed"

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"Argh - why didn't ye walk the plank? And why is this parrot on my shoulder?"
Dude, you are about to be so wrong, it's not even funny.

[hoopsguy]

Speaking of rich, sounds like Alan T had a fun camp out.

[path12]

This is a really fun game sometimes.

[KWhit]

So can I talk now? its been kinda lonely in the mine by myself.....
I'm sure you found something to do to keep you occupied.

[Barkeep49]

Hoops, I tried to revise my orders but barkeep's PM box is full. I will do it at some point soon though. And I'll give you the GP back in the afternoon assuming I'm still alive.....sorry for wasting your AP.
It was full for about 1 minute. YOu must have the worse luck ever :0

[Alan T]

Mine?


Im guessing i can talk now.. Barkeep told me morning phase in a pM, but I assumed it meant during the phase, but now I guess he meant after (which we are now at).

I didnt mean I found a mine, i was trying to be all treasurehunterish/minerish and everyone knows or guessed that I went off for an extra day to do some research. Once I get the sure go ahead that i can babble, and I find my morning results, I'll go over some things I found :)

[Poli]

This is a really fun game sometimes.It's getting better for me. I was beginning to feel I was doomed to jail.

[kingfc22]

It's getting better for me. I was beginning to feel I was doomed to jail.Not to rain on your parade, but do you have a better candidate at this point? Just wondering.

[Barkeep49]

Yes yes that's what I meant. You may speak now.

[Poli]

Not to rain on your parade, but do you have a better candidate at this point? Just wondering.
Well, I've been a bit sulled up today, so I haven't been reading like I should.

I've been suspicious of blade, but who isn't at this point?

I wonder about saldana and taz, since I felt I was being set up, but the way I look at it, like path mentioned (I think), everyone should look at it that way. I agree, that move thing looks bad on me.

I can only hope hoops comes through and wins it for all of us.

[Poli]

Dang it, I am about to have to leave from work. Maybe I can milk it for just a while longer. I really want to see if this pans out.

[KWhit]

I'm beat. Gotta go to bed.

Good luck, treasure hunters!

[Alan T]

Well, I've been a bit sulled up today, so I haven't been reading like I should.

I've been suspicious of blade, but who isn't at this point?

I wonder about saldana and taz, since I felt I was being set up, but the way I look at it, like path mentioned (I think), everyone should look at it that way. I agree, that move thing looks bad on me.

I can only hope hoops comes through and wins it for all of us.


I have a hard time believing that an item would be put in to the game on day 2 that would "win" the game for one side...

Call me skeptical...

[Poli]

If this works, hoops will be appointed as a captain in the Blahoopian Navy. As such, he can modify his AP tonight to join the Navy...which I'm assuming he did or is doing right now. He will need 10 gold and then leave immediately for the Sea Port (?, I don't recall seeing that on the map) to hire more sailors to rid us of the pirates once and for all.

Not from the letter, barkeep said to expect the recruiting to take 3 days.

[hoopsguy]

When Blade went out he published a good/bad list. Ardent was on neither side of the ledger. I suspect we'll be looking back at this post (or one like it) sometime soon to try and get leads on a 3rd pirate.

Time to start compiling a trust/no trust list.

[Poli]

I have a hard time believing that an item would be put in to the game on day 2 that would "win" the game for one side...

Call me skeptical...It's a conditional victory of sorts. The pirates have 3 days to beat us now...if it works, that is.

[hoopsguy]

Posts going up quickly - was referring to post #959 by AE when I said "this post"

[Poli]

Only one post I want to see...from barkeep...the results.

[Barkeep49]

Not going to happen til morning. I have to sleep.

[Poli]

AGGGGGGGGGHHHHH

DUDE YOU are KILLING ME!

[kingfc22]

Not going to happen til morning. I have to sleep.
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/frown.gif


Glad I'm off tomorrow.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[kingfc22]

What if this letter is some kind of "conversion" attempt? Agghh, now I'm in paranoid mode.

[Poli]

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/frown.gif


Glad I'm off tomorrow.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Me too. Sort of. I have a career development board at 1400, and then I don't have to be at work till 2300.

I unfortunately, have duty this weekend from 2300-1100.

[Vince]

That's a real bummer.

[Poli]

What if this letter is some kind of "conversion" attempt? Agghh, now I'm in paranoid mode.Rest easy. If this works out, Hoops will be gone, and not even part of the vote. If it was a conversion letter, and I was a pirate, I would be pissed.

[Alan T]

What if this letter is some kind of "conversion" attempt? Agghh, now I'm in paranoid mode.


I was thinking more of a "meet me at such and such place" and then that person just happens to die.. then his excuse would be "they obvious knew to look for us there!"

[Poli]

That's a real bummer.2300-1100 for Saturday and Sunday. Then I'm off the rest of Sunday and Monday till 1500.

GO NAVY. :(

[Poli]

I was thinking more of a "meet me at such and such place" and then that person just happens to die.. then his excuse would be "they obvious knew to look for us there!"
Nope, he's going to be gone recruiting.

Me? I'll be either of two places, the bank or the square just below it. (D6?)

[path12]

Rest easy. If this works out, Hoops will be gone, and not even part of the vote. If it was a conversion letter, and I was a pirate, I would be pissed.

What if he doesn't have 10 GP?

[Poli]

What if he doesn't have 10 GP?
Hadn't thought of that. I guess I assumed he would. I gave him my 4 gold yesterday. If he's gone digging the past two I assumed he would have found 6 gold by now.

[kingfc22]

What if he doesn't have 10 GP?We would have to give it to him next turn. He probably would need 13 GP to make it their safely since he will probably be the main target of the pirates.

IE:
AP 1: HIDE
AP2: Move to A4 (hire taxi 3 GP)

[path12]

When Blade went out he published a good/bad list. Ardent was on neither side of the ledger. I suspect we'll be looking back at this post (or one like it) sometime soon to try and get leads on a 3rd pirate.

Time to start compiling a trust/no trust list.

A real quick one for me at this moment:

100%: path

Tend to trust: hoops

Leaning trust: KWhit, Alan, Taz, King and Saldana

No read: Penny, Qwik, Gram, Schmidty

Suspicious: Ardent, Raiders, Vince

Bad: Blade

[path12]

We would have to give it to him next turn. He probably would need 13 GP to make it their safely since he will probably be the main target of the pirates.

IE:
AP 1: HIDE
AP2: Move to A4 (hire taxi 3 GP)

Good call on the taxi.

[Poli]

I feel like writing a song, ala the hattrick training song, while I wait for the post from barkeep.

"Barkeep, barkeep's post is near...
Time for laughter, time for cheer,
We've been good, but we can't last,
Hurry and post, hurry fast!

[hoopsguy]

I've got my year-end review (running a bit behind, not way ahead) tomorrow afternoon, but should have some availability in the morning and again before the votes are tallied.

Quick impressions on people left in the game at this point (will need to review reported movements from Day 2 tomorrow morning for better analysis):
Trust scale: 1-10, with 10 being absolute trust and 1 being absolute pirate

Path12 (8) - not in position to kill either night, put heat on Blade

Alan T (7) - seems to be playing solid TH game, different vibe than last game

Penny (5) - vouched for Raiders on investigator PM. Goes down big-time if Raiders is shown to be a pirate.

Hoopsguy (10) - identified Blade as pirate, not in position for either kill, I know my own role

Raiders (4) - have not seen anything in his play yet to validate the investigator role. Either a very successful fake reveal (up to this point) or he is just not doing enough to build the trust that his role should have

Saldana (7) - one of people who brought heat against AE

KWhit (8) - out of position for kill on Day 1. Brought heat on Blade. Very consistent game up to this point. Would stand up and applaud if he is shown to be a wolf this game.

Qwikshot (5) - having fun reading his material, but no strong impressions on him as TH or pirate.

Grammaticus (5) - believe his location has been vouched for as away from scene during both kills.

TazFTW (7) - not a ton of content, but what has been posted has been very helpful. Stuck AE on movement.

Kingfc (6) - out of position on Day 1 kill. Vouched for me on my dig results from Day 1.

Ardent (2) - will have to see immediate results tomorrow from his "captain" story to believe him. A three day wait period smells very fishy.

Schmidty (4) - hard guy to read, plays similar game as good guy and bad guy. But with so many people having modest trust already I have to tilt him towards modest distrust at the moment.

Vince (5) - probably deserves to be a little more trusted, but experience from spawn game subtracts one right away.


All in all, I would look hardest at Ardent (duh), Schmidty and Raiders tomorrow if there is nothing from today's actions that strongly changes impressions. I think it makes sense to start looking beyond Ardent if it is clear he is going to be a runaway vote.

[Poli]

You won't be saying this tomorrow.

In fact, if you do the right thing, you'll be gone tomorrow, Captain.

[Poli]

Rats! The barkeep posting song didn't work. :(

[hoopsguy]

King, I don't really want to post on my gold totals at this moment. If I have a letter tomorrow like AE says then I'll see where I stand at that time.

Ardent, last time you and I went toe-to-toe in a WW thread we settled it with Silos pizza ... we should agree to meet up again after this game is over.

Note that this is not a bet ;)

But I'm very curious about how you have played this game, whatever side you are on.

[Poli]

Going home for the night now. :(

I'd like to point out there was virtually no way for me to come up with 10 gold before you jail me tomorrow, so I couldn't do this on my own.

I seriously thought about just keeping the letter to myself, given the amount of contempt I've been given by just about everyone. Still, the ardent in me just couldn't let my fellow treasure hunters down.

[Poli]

King, I don't really want to post on my gold totals at this moment. If I have a letter tomorrow like AE says then I'll see where I stand at that time.

Ardent, last time you and I went toe-to-toe in a WW thread we settled it with Silos pizza ... we should agree to meet up again after this game is over.

Note that this is not a bet ;)

But I'm very curious about how you have played this game, whatever side you are on.
You got it.

[Poli]

/waves good night. The roommate will likely be crashed by the time I get home.

[pennywisesb]

I'm really interested to hear what AlanT saw during his campout. I guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow though :mad:

[Alan T]

I'm really interested to hear what AlanT saw during his campout. I guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow though :mad:


Well Im guessing its nothing earth shattering, but i did alot of research on spot resource replinishment, mine rate, turn rate, etc. Some of the things I found arent necessarily saying what we thought before was wrong, but not exactly right. (such as I got different amounts from the same square in two consecutive turns. Once morning results are posted, I'll give my details in full.

[Blade6119]

*sings in jail....nice and lonely in this jail cell...wonder if ill got another visitor this morning...then i could get out and be framed again...that would be hilarious...hilarious like how easily you guys are being mislead...im good, hoops is lying...but what do i care anymore, ill just sit here in my cell complaining becuase i obviously have problems in my normal life and need to take things less seriously* :rolleyes:

[Raiders Army]

I sent Barkeep a PM. I need to drop out. I will will my gold to hoops.

[Qwikshot]

Your best post in the thread Qwikshit.

I take it this is a typo GreenhornLeghorn...

I sent Barkeep a PM. I need to drop out. I will will my gold to hoops.

Long as Hoops is clean, this basically removes you from m'list. Glad you're off the island to leave me more gold.

/ooc - Raiders suck :p

[Barkeep49]

Took me half as much time to do the PMs as yesterday. Yeah!

Saldana, who had just been seen leaving the bank, was brutally murdered nearby that location today. The police say that it was very bloody and gory. They are puzzled by the string of murders but are feeling quite hopeful things will sort themselves out soon and the problem will go away.

Saldana was reported to have a will that left all his possesions to Qwikshot.

Shady comes into the tent and seems quite surprised to see Ardent there. "Ya were feeling chartiable eh? Well I suppose that means Hoopsguy has escaped this paradise and won while all of you are stuck here. No matter.

"Today the auction has a slight twist. You've no doubt seen that Schmidty and Vince both now have shovels. Well guess who got the 3rd, and last, one? That's right yours truly. And I am willing to sell it to you, but only for at least 8 GP. Otherwise I'll just hold onto it."

We're now in Evening Cycle 3. This will end Sunday at 8 AM. Morning cycle will then begin and last until 8 AM Monday, though if people get orders in sooner, I'll process sooner.

[Alan T]

Ok, I went digging over the last few days to try to test a few things including how replinishment works. What i found was this:

I did not get the same amount of gold every time I dug in a square, this however was due to a square running out of resources.

I went between two squares, I will call square A and square B. I found in Square A I could receive on 3 consecutive digs something such as: 2, 2, 1. The 1 being the last piece of gold in that square. Then the next day I dig in Square A again and got 0. Then moving to Square B, I once again got 2, 2 each time.

I wish I could have stayed out longer, but I had to make it back to the bank. My fear was that the next night Grammaticus or myself might be targets if we camped out. This way if for whatever reason they do go after me, at least they will not get my gold. What this does tell me is one of two things:

1) Either once a square is tapped out, its gone for good
2) It does not restock itself by the next day at least.

If its #1, then we are dealing with a finite amount of resources on this island, and thus the free spending of gold from before becomes a little more concerning. As eventually the island would run out and we could not meet our goal.

Now as far Saldana being killed, this move struck me a little.. I had not mentioned his name previously as I did not want to jump out and list everyone I suspected a little, but he was one I was watching as a possible pirate. Obviously now that he isn't, I am wondering what about Saldana made them pick him. I'll have to look at that more today.

As for hoops being gone (like Ardent said), I guess I'm still skeptical. In my mind it -could- be the captain thing like AE had been saying, but my mind is also running wild with thoughts such as pirate kidnapping, or conversion or who knows what.

With Blade in jail, Raiders leaving the game, right now Ardent was the last of the "suspects" per say, I do know that Ardent picked a neat way to get one of the people who was throwing out good ideas about who to go for out of the picture for a few days, whether intentional or unintentional.

[Alan T]

Barkeep, quick question.. when you die and you have money in the bank, does that money go to the bank of the person you willed it to, or on to their possession? (ie: they have to rebank it and could be a target)?

[Qwikshot]

Damn, damn, damn...I w'z just startin' t alike saladshooter.

But I figured there's t'ings we know, and things we don't...damn shame...this reminds me of a old sayin, I remembe' I think I do...head hurts...

"But like all do everyday, I see, a - pathy i've remebered against to enemy."

I drink to you and deadboy and the other one who's name escapes me...to you saladshooter, to you.

[Alan T]

I went back to look at why Saldana, to try to get a clue from his posts.

One thing I wonder is if the pirates have less control of who they kill this game and its more luck based on who you happen to end up being near.

This might be a case of them trying to "frame" someone by killing him, but I did not really see alot of stuff that he said to really frame many people.

Either way, I saw Saldana was annoyed with Blade, he got annoyed at one point with Taz claiming credit for somehting that he felt he deserved, but other than that the only person he really was strong against was Ardent. Saldana was the one who pointed out the discrepency of Ardent's claim with what reality would have been. Ardent never did give a good excuse to that, just saying Barkeep must have made a mistake which I don't personally think flies.

Ardent then distracted people with going out and buying that envelope and making the giant clame of "We can win this game with this one move" and sending Hoops off to some vacation or whatever out of touch for 3 days. This seems to have calmed some people down off of Ardent, but in my mind I don't think it effects my thoughts on whether he should be cleared or not unless we find out more about that envelope.

As of now, I don't think Ardent really gave a good excuse for his "mistake" that Saldana pointed out, Saldana ended up dying for that possibly, and the whole envelope thing seems fishy to me.

I'm interested in hearing what or who people saw while out during the morning. For now though, I'll go ahead and toss a vote out to get the ball rolling:

VOTE Ardent Enthusiast