Werewolf XXXI: House of Frankenstein (Game Over)

[Greyroofoo]

vote Grammaticus

[DaddyTorgo]

St. Cronin, if a player is lynched will you tell us if they were a mason also?

well presumably chubby wasn't a mason, b/c if he was then the mason's would have steered the vote to grammaticus...if it even got to the masons, as i speculated, the action happened so fast i suspect reiman may have taken out chubby b/c of a personal grudge, perhaps from a prior WW game?

[Grammaticus]

Dude, do not take anything personal. But I mean come on, you got to be feeling the pressure. Why are you getting defense all of the sudden? Was tonight to close of a call?
Yes, of course it was too close.

[DaddyTorgo]

vote Grammaticus

oops Grey...you missed the deadline being moved to 8:30 hmm?

No matter, as I would speculate that perhaps Grammaticus will be next on the chopping block anyways after today...

[st.cronin]

St. Cronin, if a player is lynched will you tell us if they were a mason also?

Yes. It will also say in the first post of the thread whatever role they had.

[Grammaticus]

St. Cronin, if a player is lynched will you tell us if they were a mason also?
earlier in the evening he said, yes roles would be revealed.

[molson]

so we assume either the masons picked wrong, or reiman changed the vote to chubby for his own purposes...

seems awful quick for the masons to have onferred, prehaps reiman is being played by a character with a grudge against chubby and pre-acted?

Are we told if Reiman uses his power?

And how exactly do Masons break ties? Do all of them have a second vote after a tie vote, or is the tie broken based on how Masons voted as part of the regular vote? If the latter, what if there are Mason votes that weren't a part of the tie?

I think we need to know that if we're really going to be able to intentionally utlilize multiple tie scenerios, etc.

[Greyroofoo]

oops Grey...you missed the deadline being moved to 8:30 hmm?

No matter, as I would speculate that perhaps Grammaticus will be next on the chopping block anyways after today...
whoops

[DaddyTorgo]

just re-vote after the morning actions if he's still alive grey...i don't think you'll be the only one...

[Alan T]

The biggest problem I am having right now is trying to figure out if all these people who seem like they are sticking up for others are masons or wolves.

[GoldenEagle]

The mason had to be luriking. We can prety much rule out any people who were not online. The vote to break the tie came so quickly. Does it really matter if we know who the mason is?

[DaddyTorgo]

The biggest problem I am having right now is trying to figure out if all these people who seem like they are sticking up for others are masons or wolves.

well me personally...i'm just a confused-ass newb villager. i just think it's helpful to lay out ALL my thoughts, because maybe something i say makes someone tip their hand, or can be combined with something someone else noticed...

[DaddyTorgo]

The mason had to be luriking. We can prety much rule out any people who were not online. The vote to break the tie came so quickly. Does it really matter if we know who the mason is?\

well if we can figure who the masons are we can leave them out of the ties intentionally, thus further narrowing down their choices...

[molson]

The mason had to be luriking. We can prety much rule out any people who were not online. The vote to break the tie came so quickly. Does it really matter if we know who the mason is?

Well, being known would make masons a target for wolves.

[Alan T]

The mason had to be luriking. We can prety much rule out any people who were not online. The vote to break the tie came so quickly. Does it really matter if we know who the mason is?


Yes it matters and we don't want the masons to let us know they are masons.

They already have a circle of trust of people to not vote for. By letting wolves know who to kill it allows the bad guys to eliminate the only trusted villagers there are.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes it matters and we don't want the masons to let us know they are masons.

They already have a circle of trust of people to not vote for. By letting wolves know who to kill it allows the bad guys to eliminate the only trusted villagers there are.


EXACTLY

[molson]

Yes it matters and we don't want the masons to let us know they are masons.

They already have a circle of trust of people to not vote for. By letting wolves know who to kill it allows the bad guys to eliminate the only trusted villagers there are.

Utlizing the masons is the key to winning the game for the villagers, but I don't think we've figured out how to do that yet.

Obviously late in the game, if there's only a few villagers left, and they're all or mostly masons, they'll know how the wolves are. But left to probability alone, what are the odds a group of masons survive together for that long? The odds seen miniscule, even if wolves are picking out villagers randomly.

Sure, masons can (slightly) improve the probability that a wolf is hit in the case of a tie. But how much of an impact is that, when the tie will usually be between villagers.

And what's the best kind of tie for the villagers here? A two-way tie with 8 guys on each side, or a 18-way tie with everyone in the game having one vote?

[Lathum]

The mason's can't let us know who they are otherwise they die a horrible death.

And just because the tiebreaker was quick doesn't mean they had to be online at time of the lynch. It was pretty obvious where we were going and St. Cronin could have PM'd people ahead of time.

[molson]

The biggest problem I am having right now is trying to figure out if all these people who seem like they are sticking up for others are masons or wolves.

Or perhaps wolves pretending they're masons.

[DaddyTorgo]

how bout if we tie everything up? give everybody 1-vote or as close to it as we can? then if people start to pile we assume they're wolves since it'd be to villager's advantage to have a total tie. then the masons have their circle of trust and they can just pick at random between everyone else. Their chances are at least slightly better than the rest of ours since they have the "circle of trust"

[bulletsponge]

damn chubby was a villager, crap shoot

[st.cronin]

I have all night actions, results coming.

[bulletsponge]

so soon!

[Lathum]

anyone have anything to say before they may be killed say it now...

[Chubby]

boy, good call with that one....

[DaddyTorgo]

at what point (if any) do we start to get some better idea...some reasonable voting history to dig into?

just curious if the vets can give us any insight into how long the "crapshoot" period of the game lasts?

[DaddyTorgo]

well you didn't necessarily...vigorously protest your innocence or anything chubby. although i'll note...i moved my vote off you to force the tie. and i'm still not sure that reiman didn't wipe you out, seems like it happened real quick.

[molson]

so soon!

I think we can clearly rule out certain people as not having night actions.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think we can clearly rule out certain people as not having night actions.

like who molson?? name names dammit, don't be cryptic!

[st.cronin]

You awake from a fitful night's sleep, tired, paranoid, terrified of what will happen. A quick head count reveals one of you is missing; a roll call shows that AlanT has not joined you this morning. You rush to his house, but it's too late - there is blood everywhere, and a terrified look in his dead eyes. The wolves have claimed another victim. His house contains no clues that he was anything but an ordinary villager.

Day 3 has begun - voting deadline 8:30pm Wednesday

[Lathum]

at what point (if any) do we start to get some better idea...some reasonable voting history to dig into?

just curious if the vets can give us any insight into how long the "crapshoot" period of the game lasts?
it varies from game to game. Usually when you nab a wolf you gain alot of info. The problem is there doesn't seem to be alot of roles in this game so there is less info to go on. Usually there is a seer, witness, bodyguard, etc... that can provide early insight and clear players.

[Barkeep49]

I liked Alan T. I mourn his loss. Mourn. Mourn.

[st.cronin]

I think we can clearly rule out certain people as not having night actions.

I just want to point out that night actions could have been sent to me at anytime today. It would be a mistake to read into who was or was not online now.

[GoldenEagle]

Wow. Another veteran goes down. This is getting vey interesting. I am curnching some thoughts right now. Damn, this game is fun!

[DaddyTorgo]

i hypothesize that the death of Alan may actually clear Grammaticus a bit...because Grammaticus pushed Alan to vote for him and force the tie, putting Grammaticus' head on the block, which G. would not want if he was indeed evil.

agree? disagree?

[molson]

like who molson?? name names dammit, don't be cryptic!

Well, I was thinking that people that weren't on the board between day results and night results, but on the other hand I guess it's possible that they sent their night action or inaction earlier in the day.

[SnDvls]

sorry I wasn't very active today my daughter had pink eye and I had to leave work and pick her up.

anyhow I appriciate that some feel I'm a "vet" because I've played many WW games, but ask blade my game isn't "vet" level.

I'm home half the day tomorrow w/ her then off to work so I should, assuming she improves, be more active tomorrow.

not an excuse at all, but a reason for my lack of posting today.

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry I wasn't very active today my daughter had pink eye and I had to leave work and pick her up.

anyhow I appriciate that some feel I'm a "vet" because I've played many WW games, but ask blade my game isn't "vet" level.

I'm home half the day tomorrow w/ her then off to work so I should, assuming she improves, be more active tomorrow.

not an excuse at all, but a reason for my lack of posting today.

or perhaps it's because you howl at the full moon!:eek:

[GoldenEagle]

i hypothesize that the death of Alan may actually clear Grammaticus a bit...because Grammaticus pushed Alan to vote for him and force the tie, putting Grammaticus' head on the block, which G. would not want if he was indeed evil.

agree? disagree?

Grammaticus is a smart man. I though the Alan T/Anxiety exchange was a bit odd at the end of voting Day 1. Perhaps the wolves thought that taking out a vet like Alan T would try to save some votes for tommorow and confuse us even more.

I think Grammaticus is a wolf, but he may/may not be who I vote for tommorow.

[tanglewood]

i hypothesize that the death of Alan may actually clear Grammaticus a bit...because Grammaticus pushed Alan to vote for him and force the tie, putting Grammaticus' head on the block, which G. would not want if he was indeed evil.

agree? disagree?

Well at the time Gramm was leading the vote, so he just wanted AlanT to tie it up so he had at least a chance of staying alive. I don't think it is that easy to read into who was killed for what reason just yet.

[DaddyTorgo]

Grammaticus is a smart man. I though the Alan T/Anxiety exchange was a bit odd at the end of voting Day 1. Perhaps the wolves thought that taking out a vet like Alan T would try to save some votes for tommorow and confuse us even more.

I think Grammaticus is a wolf, but he may/may not be who I vote for tommorow.

but would grammaticus risk his own neck up against a villager who might be a mason (essentially commiting suicide) just to try to throw us?

what more makes you think grammaticus is a wolf GE? I'm curious because I am still pondering that possibility, and if you thought he was...why would you not try to rally support for your line of thinking?

[DaddyTorgo]

Well at the time Gramm was leading the vote, so he just wanted AlanT to tie it up so he had at least a chance of staying alive. I don't think it is that easy to read into who was killed for what reason just yet.

IIRC Grammaticus pushed Alan to "VOTE GRAMMATICUS" right before the deadline, and that was the last Grammaticus/Chubby vote cast.

[tanglewood]

dola

Sorry, reareading things Chubby was ahead in the vote, but Gramm certainly didn't step up and say he wanted the vote to be tied, infact he explicitly said he didn't. See post 478.

[bulletsponge]

yea, spill it baby!

[bulletsponge]

dola

Sorry, reareading things Chubby was ahead in the vote, but Gramm certainly didn't step up and say he wanted the vote to be tied, infact he explicitly said he didn't. See post 478.


that makes more sense.

[DaddyTorgo]

so c'mon GE

lay out your evidence on Grammaticus...

[bulletsponge]

so c'mon GE

lay out your evidence on Grammaticus...


i think its less evidence and more "suspicion and innuendo"

[molson]

Its funny you voted for me since right now I have 90% confidence of only one player in the game being good. You just happened to have voted for that player on day one.

Maybe lines are being drawn in the sand right now, Im not sure. However voting for someone in my very tiny day 2 circle of trust already had made me suspicious of you.

Alan T. said the above to Path, about Schmidty, that he was 90% confident that Schmidty was "good". Which was bizarre, because Schimdity's hardly said anything. I figured that Alan T. might be a Mason, or a wolf pretending to be a Mason, especially when he broke out the same "circle of trust" terminology a few pages later when dicussing mason strategy. Maybe a wolf thought the same thing.

Unless anyone has a better theory, I'm thinking we maybe try to engineer a 3-way tie between suspicious vets, and give our masons another crack at 'em.

[DaddyTorgo]

Alan T. said the above to Path, about Schmidty, that he was 90% confident that Schmidty was "good". Which was bizarre, because Schimdity's hardly said anything. I figured that Alan T. might be a Mason, or a wolf pretending to be a Mason, especially when he broke out the same "circle of trust" terminology a few pages later when dicussing mason strategy. Maybe a wolf thought the same thing.

Unless anyone has a better theory, I'm thinking we maybe try to engineer a 3-way tie between suspicious vets, and give our masons another crack at 'em.

well AlanT wasn't a mason, as cronin said that we would find out hidden roles upon death

[Blade6119]

I will not be voting for gramat today, and stating that im currently deciding between two suspects for my vote today. Both have voted for who i believe to be villagers both days, and have played innocent enough without giving any real details

[Lathum]

I think AlanT being killed clears Blade (pains me to say). The wolves obviously are taking the kill the veteran path. The fact that several people have pointed that out leads me to believe they left Blade alone tonight on purpose with the hope that we would lynche him under the assumption that he is still alive. For now I think Blade is clean. Time to look elsewhere.

[Blade6119]

Alan T. said the above to Path, about Schmidty, that he was 90% confident that Schmidty was "good". Which was bizarre, because Schimdity's hardly said anything. I figured that Alan T. might be a Mason, or a wolf pretending to be a Mason, especially when he broke out the same "circle of trust" terminology a few pages later when dicussing mason strategy. Maybe a wolf thought the same thing.

Unless anyone has a better theory, I'm thinking we maybe try to engineer a 3-way tie between suspicious vets, and give our masons another crack at 'em.
Molson, you just went up my radar, quite a bit...

[Lathum]

I am not a fan of all this talk of forcing a tie. It seems to me we are putting to much power in the masons hands and making it to easy for the wolves to hide among us.

[molson]

well AlanT wasn't a mason, as cronin said that we would find out hidden roles upon death

I realize that now, I was just speculating as the wolves' motivation, and to why AlanT would be so sure about Schmidty (since it wasn't that he could see he was another mason)

[Lathum]

ack, I think Blade and I are on the same page...

[Blade6119]

I am not a fan of all this talk of forcing a tie. It seems to me we are putting to much power in the masons hands and making it to easy for the wolves to hide among us.
Id love a tie, if im allowed to pick the participants. I now have 3 people id love to see on the block, but i doubt anyone is going to let me set that all up

[Blade6119]

ack, I think Blade and I are on the same page...
I rather doubt that actually. Im pretty sure i know what your thinking, but its not the path im going down right now. Im taking a far less obvious road, that high risk-high reward

[Lathum]

the problem I have with the tie scenerio is the wolves could sit back and see who the tie comes out to and unless it is one of them they can hide easily by voting for each other.

[Alan T]

Saldana have room for me in the pre-day 3 lounge? :)

Good luck villagers, I'll be reading along and scoring at home!

[Blade6119]

Saldana have room for me in the pre-day 3 lounge? :)

Good luck villagers, I'll be reading along and scoring at home!
Sorry you died buddy...i trusted ya if it matters :(

[saldana]

Saldana have room for me in the pre-day 3 lounge? :)

Good luck villagers, I'll be reading along and scoring at home!


come on in, plenty of couch space since NDP isnt here anymore.

dying early sucks :(

[molson]

ack, I think Blade and I are on the same page...

Well, since you're apparently not a fan of the tie, and I just promoted the merits of one, this isn't surprising.

But I'm not sold either way on the tie thing. I think a tie's merits depends on how many players are involved in the tie, and how the mechanics of mason tie breaking actually work, which I still don't know (ie. do all masons vote, or do only the masons invovled in the tie count - I've heard different players assume different methods)

[Blade6119]

VOTE ST.CRONIN

HE F**KING WITH MY MIND!!!!!! GAHHHHHHHHH


Note:the above is a joke

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry I was late guys. I had intended to be here at deadline, but as vets know, Tuesday night was date night and, er, ummm...I was held up by someone if you catch my innuendo.

I see that my suspicion of "kill the vets" has continued.

[path12]

The mason had to be luriking. We can prety much rule out any people who were not online. The vote to break the tie came so quickly. Does it really matter if we know who the mason is?

Could have been a conditional tiebreak vote too, I'd imagine. Then the person wouldn't necessarily have to be around.

[Lathum]

Sorry I was late guys. I had intended to be here at deadline, but as vets know, Tuesday night was date night and, er, ummm...I was held up by someone if you catch my innuendo.

I see that my suspicion of "kill the vets" has continued.
did she check out your "magic column"

[Blade6119]

Well, since you're apparently not a fan of the tie, and I just promoted the merits of one, this isn't surprising.

But I'm not sold either way on the tie thing. I think a tie's merits depends on how many players are involved in the tie, and how the mechanics of mason tie breaking actually work, which I still don't know (ie. do all masons vote, or do only the masons invovled in the tie count - I've heard different players assume different methods)
STOP FUCKING TIES! It is strongly hurting our chances of victory people!

[saldana]

did she check out your "magic column"

outstanding work

[bulletsponge]

Sorry I was late guys. I had intended to be here at deadline, but as vets know, Tuesday night was date night and, er, ummm...I was held up by someone if you catch my innuendo.

I see that my suspicion of "kill the vets" has continued.


did you get lucky? or at least luckier than Alan T?

[Lathum]

* takes a bow*

[path12]

i hypothesize that the death of Alan may actually clear Grammaticus a bit...because Grammaticus pushed Alan to vote for him and force the tie, putting Grammaticus' head on the block, which G. would not want if he was indeed evil.

agree? disagree?

As you can see, I'm catching up. Yes, I'd agree with what you're saying here, though I don't find Grammaticus as suspicious as others here seem to.

[Abe Sargent]

did you get lucky? or at least luckier than Alan T?


I never kiss and tell, although it was certainly more than kissing ;)

[Blade6119]

I never kiss and tell, although it was certainly more than kissing ;)
Whats his name?

[bulletsponge]

I never kiss and tell, although it was certainly more than kissing ;)


theres only 1 good reason to miss a WW vote, and luckily you have it ;)

[Blade6119]

Ok, heres a pretty general question:Does anyone know what alan was on to?

[Lathum]

Anxiety walks into a bar and orders 7 shots of tequila and procedes to down them one after the other. The bartender says "whoa buddy, slow down, what are you celebrating anyway?" Anxiety says " my first blow job". The bartender say "well in that case lemme buy you another shot of tequila" Anxiety says " no thanks, if the first seven shots didn't get the taste out of my mouth the eigth won't do me any good"

[DaddyTorgo]

Ok, heres a pretty general question:Does anyone know what alan was on to?

i don't. but this is a perfect example of why i wish people would be more transparent with what they're on to. the worst that can happen is you spook a wolf and they change their behavior...if they stay constant you've got em pegged, if they change then we realize they're a wolf. it's like shining a spotlight on a robber...it freezes them.

for god's sakes people...if you're working on a theory, even if you think it's bunk...at least post it in the thread so there's some record of it.

otherwise what's the point of being on a team? we might as we all be going at it alone!

[bulletsponge]

Anxiety walks into a bar and orders 7 shots of tequila and procedes to down them one after the other. The bartender says "whoa buddy, slow down, what are you celebrating anyway?" Anxiety says " my first blow job". The bartender say "well in that case lemme buy you another shot of tequila" Anxiety says " no thanks, if the first seven shots didn't get the taste out of my mouth the eigth won't do me any good"


LOL

now we know why he wont kiss and tell!

[DaddyTorgo]

and if we're going at it alone, you might as well lynch me now, because that's not what I was thinking I was signing up for and I won't enjoy it or be of any help

[path12]

Blade is right, ties are not our friends. Remember, the masons just know who the masons are. They don't know who anyone else is. So if there is a tie with a wolf and a villager, they have no additional knowledge than any of the rest of us villagers would (if I understand the role correctly).

You are always far better off voting for who you think is a wolf and trying to get a consensus on that.

My current trust list:

Some trust -- GoldenEagle, Schmidty

Neutral/not sure -- anyone else not listed.

Suspicious -- molson, Greyroofoo, Fouts

The reason that Alan had me on his suspicion list was because of my vote for Schmidty. Schmidty's response corresponded to something that rang true for Alan and myself after I saw it, and after Alan's response to me I was trusting him also. I don't want to go much further than that, but I think the clue is easy to spot and is why GoldenEagle is on my list as probably good.

[path12]

and if we're going at it alone, you might as well lynch me now, because that's not what I was thinking I was signing up for and I won't enjoy it or be of any help

I'm not trying to be cryptic, but I would like to be able to clear some other people or at least not have them in the forefront, but if you spell it out too much sometimes a wolf can just jump in and go "oh yeah, me too!"

[Blade6119]

I'm not trying to be cryptic, but I would like to be able to clear some other people or at least not have them in the forefront, but if you spell it out too much sometimes a wolf can just jump in and go "oh yeah, me too!"
Please shut up now path, i fear you have already said far too much.

[DaddyTorgo]

fair enough...i understand that path.

*shrug*

[path12]

Please shut up now path, i fear you have already said far too much.

I figured it was out of the bag already. But I'm done now.

[path12]

Blade, any thoughts on my suspicion list?

[tanglewood]

I figured it was out of the bag already. But I'm done now.

I don't think it really matters at this point. Things such as that have little credibilit after the first few days pass.

[Blade6119]

Blade, any thoughts on my suspicion list?
I hadnt noticed GE make any comments to earn the trust, so i will have to re-read. Before this, my group was schmidty, alan, and gramat...your in for the dead alan now.

As for distrust, people i noticed who didnt catch it included Daddytorgo, molson, farrah, and roo. Not sure which are wolves, but its a starting point. I made the question about what alan was after to try and bait a few wolves into trying to earn trust. Only torgo replied before you came out though, and he had no idea

[path12]

I hadnt noticed GE make any comments to earn the trust, so i will have to re-read. Before this, my group was schmidty, alan, and gramat...your in for the dead alan now.

As for distrust, people i noticed who didnt catch it included Daddytorgo, molson, farrah, and roo. Not sure which are wolves, but its a starting point. I made the question about what alan was after to try and bait a few wolves into trying to earn trust. Only torgo replied before you came out though, and he had no idea

The problem is that it's hard to tell if it's really suspicious or if it's just being new to the game. You want to help, but it's a fine line.....

[DaddyTorgo]

I hadnt noticed GE make any comments to earn the trust, so i will have to re-read. Before this, my group was schmidty, alan, and gramat...your in for the dead alan now.

As for distrust, people i noticed who didnt catch it included Daddytorgo, molson, farrah, and roo. Not sure which are wolves, but its a starting point. I made the question about what alan was after to try and bait a few wolves into trying to earn trust. Only torgo replied before you came out though, and he had no idea

i'm not a wolf, although i realize saying that may be some sort of red-flag or whatever, may make you think i'm just trying to hide it. i'm just spinning in circles trying to figure this whole game out, and apparently I'm not born gifted at it (although hopefully I learn). I'm totally transparent...like I said...lynch me if you want, but it won't do you any good, you'll just be losing a villager. A clueless villager, but one of your number none the less. And maybe when it thins out a bit I will start to notice things and be more useful. At least you know as clueless as I am, if the wolves take me it won't be a loss of someone who has a ton of right-on ideas about what's going on, so in that sense it would be a waste for them.

*shrug*

[Blade6119]

The problem is that it's hard to tell if it's really suspicious or if it's just being new to the game. You want to help, but it's a fine line.....
GE is new, and i see the post that made you trust him. Its a fine line, but at the least we have 2 COTs now, the masons and our rag-tag group of villagers. Depending on how many masons are in the game, thats almost half the game we have cleared now. Its a start, not an end game scenario. But its something, which is better then what weve been lynching off of

[Abe Sargent]

i'm just spinning in circles trying to figure this whole game out.

*shrug*


I know. Isn't it great?

[Blade6119]

i'm not a wolf, although i realize saying that may be some sort of red-flag or whatever, may make you think i'm just trying to hide it. i'm just spinning in circles trying to figure this whole game out, and apparently I'm not born gifted at it (although hopefully I learn). I'm totally transparent...like I said...lynch me if you want, but it won't do you any good, you'll just be losing a villager. A clueless villager, but one of your number none the less. And maybe when it thins out a bit I will start to notice things and be more useful. At least you know as clueless as I am, if the wolves take me it won't be a loss of someone who has a ton of right-on ideas about what's going on, so in that sense it would be a waste for them.

*shrug*
Didnt you enjoy how cronin likes to add flavor to all of his PM's by making then unncecceasrily long?

[DaddyTorgo]

I know. Isn't it great?

riiight. yeah...it makes my head hurt, and i wasn't having the greatest of days anyway.

[path12]

i'm not a wolf, although i realize saying that may be some sort of red-flag or whatever, may make you think i'm just trying to hide it. i'm just spinning in circles trying to figure this whole game out, and apparently I'm not born gifted at it (although hopefully I learn).

Well, I wouldn't expect you to come out and say you were a wolf. ;)

No worries, for what it's worth it probably took me three or four games before I felt I had some kind of handle as to what was going on. And really, I've played a lot now, but like golf, that doesn't mean that I'm all that good at it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Didnt you enjoy how cronin likes to add flavor to all of his PM's by making then unncecceasrily long?

huh? I think mine was like...4 words long or something (and no i didn't check before i wrote that, so don't read into that).

Your mind-games are confusing me Blade. Although I suppose that is your intent.

[tanglewood]

Blade, you're trying to be too clever. I don't think going down this path any further really helps clear any more people.

[Blade6119]

Blade, you're trying to be too clever. I don't think going down this path any further really helps clear any more people.
His response was never going to clear him. It was either damn him or nothing...hoping i could get lucky, didnt, and am dropping it...oh well, worth a shot

[DaddyTorgo]

farrah has been mighty quiet

[tanglewood]

dola

What I mean is, the length of a pm is a completely seperate factor from its content. Schmidty used it well once as a wolf wouldn't have taken a chance on it, but now, especially after Cronin flagged it, I don't think it means much if people start claiming things.

[path12]

I don't think going down this path

OT, I always get a chuckle out of this. Yes, my life is boring.

[tanglewood]

His response was never going to clear him. It was either damn him or nothing...hoping i could get lucky, didnt, and am dropping it...oh well, worth a shot

Ok, I see. Never mind.

[Grammaticus]

His response was never going to clear him. It was either damn him or nothing...hoping i could get lucky, didnt, and am dropping it...oh well, worth a shot
Agree and well played

[st.cronin]

Normally this sort of thing is frowned upon, but I don't think it will help anybody figure out who is who, so I'm not going to tell anybody to stop. I'm just going to watch and laugh.

[Lathum]

i don't. but this is a perfect example of why i wish people would be more transparent with what they're on to. the worst that can happen is you spook a wolf and they change their behavior...if they stay constant you've got em pegged, if they change then we realize they're a wolf. it's like shining a spotlight on a robber...it freezes them.

for god's sakes people...if you're working on a theory, even if you think it's bunk...at least post it in the thread so there's some record of it.

otherwise what's the point of being on a team? we might as we all be going at it alone!
this often gets people killed

[DaddyTorgo]

Normally this sort of thing is frowned upon, but I don't think it will help anybody figure out who is who, so I'm not going to tell anybody to stop. I'm just going to watch and laugh.

normally what is frowned upon?

[DaddyTorgo]

this often gets people killed

but if it gets them killed we can go back and look at their theory (presumably their most recent) and see who they were looking at. with fewer wolves than villagers, if we did this we should presumably win...no?

if the wolves were to try to get crafty and wait they run the risk of us believing the person's theory and wiping them out before they can strike.

[Blade6119]

normally what is frowned upon?
Discussing the paramaters of your PM. You are allowed to put it in your own words to share stuff, but saying how many words are in your PM isnt really putting it your own words. I made sure to PM cronin before this all went down about it being ok or not, and he said it was.

[DaddyTorgo]

Discussing the paramaters of your PM. You are allowed to put it in your own words to share stuff, but saying how many words are in your PM isnt really putting it your own words. I made sure to PM cronin before this all went down about it being ok or not, and he said it was.

gotcha. didnn't wanna break an WW rules as a virgin

[tanglewood]

I suspect that the PMs to both sides were near identical anyway. Only one word needs to change.

[Blade6119]

but if it gets them killed we can go back and look at their theory (presumably their most recent) and see who they were looking at. with fewer wolves than villagers, if we did this we should presumably win...no?

if the wolves were to try to get crafty and wait they run the risk of us believing the person's theory and wiping them out before they can strike.
But then they kill someone on the wrong path and we go on a wild goose chase...welcome to WW :)

[DaddyTorgo]

But then they kill someone on the wrong path and we go on a wild goose chase...welcome to WW :)

aaaah. i see. intriguing!

[Blade6119]

I suspect that the PMs to both sides were near identical anyway. Only one word needs to change.
Wrong. Wolves would need to be informed of who the other wolves are, as well as role capabilities. The masons would be informed of the other masons as well. Thats why the 4-word holds some value to me, despite what cronin says to the contrary. Its not going to damn anyone, but i think it cleared 4 people for me

[tanglewood]

Wrong. Wolves would need to be informed of who the other wolves are, as well as role capabilities. The masons would be informed of the other masons as well. Thats why the 4-word holds some value to me, despite what cronin says to the contrary. Its not going to damn anyone, but i think it cleared 4 people for me

Oooh, true. Didn't think of that. Nicely played then. :)


Maybe we should keep you alive in games more often. :p

[molson]

Couldn't the whole origin of this be a trap? In light of his participation since then, couldn't this just be a fun high risk/high reward kind of the deal?

Unless I'm still two steps behind - which some people apparently find suspicious for some reason.

[Lathum]

but if it gets them killed we can go back and look at their theory (presumably their most recent) and see who they were looking at. with fewer wolves than villagers, if we did this we should presumably win...no?

if the wolves were to try to get crafty and wait they run the risk of us believing the person's theory and wiping them out before they can strike.
pretty much what Blade said. Most of the time you are looking at another innocent and what happens is you get two innocents going at each other muddeling things up while the wolves sit back and let them self destruct.

That's the reason why I backed off Blade today, why create confusion and make it eaiser for the wolves.

[Blade6119]

Couldn't the whole origin of this be a trap? In light of his participation since then, couldn't this just be a fun high risk/high reward kind of the deal?

Unless I'm still two steps behind - which some people apparently find suspicious for some reason.
Huh? Who are you referring to?

[DaddyTorgo]

pretty much what Blade said. Most of the time you are looking at another innocent and what happens is you get two innocents going at each other muddeling things up while the wolves sit back and let them self destruct.

That's the reason why I backed off Blade today, why create confusion and make it eaiser for the wolves.


aaaah. okay. that makes sense. i think i'm starting to get it a lil more

[DaddyTorgo]

Huh? Who are you referring to?

i think you. methinks someone is trying to clumsily shift suspicion onto you Blade...

[bulletsponge]

11 of us in here now, someone throw in thier 2c that hasnt said much

[Blade6119]

dodgerchick, fouts, swaggs....please talk a bit.

Farrah was here for awhile and didnt say a word either...being quiet only helps the wolves.

[bulletsponge]

i think you. methinks someone is trying to clumsily shift suspicion onto you Blade...


Blade doesnt need help doing that, he can do it all on his own!

[bulletsponge]

dodgerchick, fouts, swaggs....please talk a bit.

Farrah was here for awhile and didnt say a word either...being quiet only helps the wolves.


yea, it isnt like you have to post some crazy conspiracy theory or act like you have a clue as to whats happening like everyone else.

[Lorena]

dodgerchick, fouts, swaggs....please talk a bit.

Farrah was here for awhile and didnt say a word either...being quiet only helps the wolves.

Well, I have absolutely no theories and feel a little lost. Seems as if there are a lot scenarios and I'm trying to process them all.

2 brain cells can only take so much ya know. :rolleyes:

[molson]

Huh? Who are you referring to?

In terms of finding me suspicious? Well, you and Lathum have mentioned me by name.

[Blade6119]

Well, I have absolutely no theories and feel a little lost. Seems as if there are a lot scenarios and I'm trying to process them all.

2 brain cells can only take so much ya know. :rolleyes:
Talk through your thoughts with me, what do you think of the 2 night kills so far?

[Lathum]

In defense of the newer players I think they may be a little intimidated and afraid they will say the wrong thing and get jumped all over.

I would like to hear some other opinions.

[Blade6119]

In terms of finding me suspicious? Well, you and Lathum have mentioned me by name.
Path and i did, i believe, but we said more you werent apart of our COT as your suspicious. This whole scenario was more to clear villagers then damn wolves. Your not in any real danger yet, especially if your a wolf. Right now were just trying to gain trust.

[Grammaticus]

Here is what I have so far

Golden
Grammaticus
noddadropp - Lynched
Saldana - Night Kill
Chubby – Lynched day two
AlanT – Killed night two


Leaning towards trust, plus is greater and minus not as sure
Blade +
Schmidty +
Path +
Tanglewood -

Neutral
Swaggs -
Sndvls +
Bulletsponge
Daddytorgo
Chief Rum -
Farah -

Leaning towards bad – In order of Concern
Lathum
Molson
Fouts
GoldenEagle

Not enough to opine
Anxiety
greyroofoo
Dodgerchick

[molson]

yea, it isnt like you have to post some crazy conspiracy theory or act like you have a clue as to whats happening like everyone else.

Exactly - don't be fooled by the apparent confidence in the last few pages. No one has any clue what's going on - that's why we have 4 dead villagers, none of whom were masons. Anyone's gut instincts could be right on at this point.

[Abe Sargent]

Blade doesnt need help doing that, he can do it all on his own!



That's very true. Blade's style can irritate some players because he tries to push people to see what's under them. Some players don't lika the pusha :)

Of course, I've voted for Blade before, but I've never done so out of spite, and this game he's been less Blade. Sort of like the square root of Blade.

-Anxiety

[Fouts]

Sorry, just got back and catching up on 4 pages. Since people are putting a lot of credit into what could be in our pm's, none of the words in my pm rhymed with aloof, but one rhymed with pillager.

[Blade6119]

and this game he's been less Blade. Sort of like the square root of Blade.
Is that good or bad buddy?

[tanglewood]

Exactly - don't be fooled by the apparent confidence in the last few pages. No one has any clue what's going on - that's why we have 4 dead villagers, none of whom were masons. Anyone's gut instincts could be right on at this point.

I think we do have a losely defined circle of trust established for now. Schmidty, Blade and Path for sure, and I would like to include myself in that as well but I am not sure if the the other three would.

[Lorena]

Talk through your thoughts with me, what do you think of the 2 night kills so far?

Well, it's a little intimidating to be honest with you. So much information is going around and it's taking a little time to process, that is all.

[Lorena]

In defense of the newer players I think they may be a little intimidated and afraid they will say the wrong thing and get jumped all over.

I would like to hear some other opinions.

BINGO

[Fouts]

I'm not sure who broke the tie, but Gram looked more guilty than Chubby, so I have to assume that someone saved Gram for a reason. Therefore, I'm going to give him a pass and looked for another guilty target.

I'm not sure why I look suspicious to a couple of you. I am trying to challenge people and see where they stand.

I agree that it may be better to let the masons break ties. They know who the other masons are. Unfortunately, we have to somehow get a wolf in one of the ties.

[tanglewood]

Sorry, just got back and catching up on 4 pages. Since people are putting a lot of credit into what could be in our pm's, none of the words in my pm rhymed with aloof, but one rhymed with pillager.

Aloof? Do you say Woo-loof or something? :D

[bulletsponge]

Sorry, just got back and catching up on 4 pages. Since people are putting a lot of credit into what could be in our pm's, none of the words in my pm rhymed with aloof, but one rhymed with pillager.


sure, none in mine rhymed with smackula either


ohh and as far as these list of trust peeps are posting, i notice the more you post and talk shit the higher up the list you go

[Lathum]

Gramm, why do you have me as your least trusted player?

[DaddyTorgo]

In defense of the newer players I think they may be a little intimidated and afraid they will say the wrong thing and get jumped all over.

I would like to hear some other opinions.

i'm new and i'm babbling like crazy. hopefully not stepping on any vet's toes as I try to learn how to play this all.

[Blade6119]

Well, it's a little intimidating to be honest with you. So much information is going around and it's taking a little time to process, that is all.
Thats cool...trust me, im the master of being wrong. Ive single handidly lost of games with my sluething skills. You have to be willing to be wrong to have the chance to be right. People should be pretty understanding, and if not ill take care of them

Please talk about some of your thoughts...anything, even what the weather is like. If you choose not to, i understand totally. Just make sure above all else you have fun.

[Fouts]

My new theory is that one vet is the leader, and the rest of the wolfpack is hanging back and laying low.

[bulletsponge]

I think we do have a losely defined circle of trust established for now. Schmidty, Blade and Path for sure, and I would like to include myself in that as well but I am not sure if the the other three would.


lol, why do they get trusted? cause they "trust" each other? do they know something we dont?

[bulletsponge]

My new theory is that one vet is the leader, and the rest of the wolfpack is hanging back and laying low.
your laying low

[Blade6119]

i'm new and i'm babbling like crazy. hopefully not stepping on any vet's toes as I try to learn how to play this all.
Im considered a WW elitist, so take this to hold some value, i couldnt be happier with yours and the fellow new players games so far.

[GoldenEagle]

I do have some thoughts, but my bedtime is in 3 minutes.

Of course, I guess I could push that back for WW.

[DaddyTorgo]

Curious as to why Gram has GE listed so low when Blade and others have him so high? Why the disparity there...hmmm, food for thought.

[Fouts]

your laying low

No, I challenged Grammaticus today. If I were laying low, I would be posting as much as Farrah or Grey.

[Lathum]

My new theory is that one vet is the leader, and the rest of the wolfpack is hanging back and laying low.
don't take this the wrong way but that theory isn't really new...

[bulletsponge]

Im considered a WW elitist, so take this to hold some value, i couldnt be happier with yours and the fellow new players games so far.
pbbb yea, thats why the same list of peeps show up on your trust list every game

[Blade6119]

Curious as to why Gram has GE listed so low when Blade and others have him so high? Why the disparity there...hmmm, food for thought.
GE was not on my list until path brought him up. I re-read just his posts and found one of note. Gramat may have missed it just like i did until i re-read it.

[path12]

Well, it's a little intimidating to be honest with you. So much information is going around and it's taking a little time to process, that is all.

Remember, it's a game. We're here to have fun even when we argue and accuse and lie. ;)

But we can't help you if we don't know where you're coming from.

[DaddyTorgo]

Well thanks Blade, I appreciate the compliment.

[Blade6119]

pbbb yea, thats why the same list of peeps show up on your trust list every game
I dont think i have ever played a game where i truste gramat, schmidty and i were like lathum and i are awhile back, and path..well, i dont know...I actually usually dont trust my friends, like hoops or barkeep. I always keep telling myself they are putting in action a crazy ploy with wide-ranging effects. And im usually wrong

[GoldenEagle]

Suspicious List

Grammaticus - I might be cooling a bit in my interent in him but I still think he is a wolf. There is something there that just does not vibe for him.
Dodger Chick - She is playing a little too dumb. I think she is smarter that what she is leading us on to.
molson - This was my day 1 vote (before I changed it) and it was not just random. He seems to post in certian times that are just tricky.

Hopefully I wil be able to expand more on my thoughts during lunch tommorow.

[DaddyTorgo]

when would be too early to start voting for the next day? would an early vote be beneficial to spur action?

[Abe Sargent]

He posts in times? To what? A funky backbeat?

[Grammaticus]

Gramm, why do you have me as your least trusted player?
It started when you posted twice about why people would go for Chief Rum when he is out for the day. Seemed odd that with experience you would stick up for CR so early and it seemed out of character for how I remember you playing (I know time and player makeup change game style).

Then your theory about you and Blade having history and Saldana having a grudge and what not. You and Saldana are best friends, he posted about you getting engages (congrats, by the way!). Surely you know we would know of your friendship with Saldana. Seems like a weird thing to post so early in the game. The rest of your theory just did not sound like anything of substance.

Then you and Molson and possibly CR seem to have an interplay going on with your votes.

I agree with a little over half the field having some experience, at least one wolf is statistically bound to be a vet. Outside of the golden list and my COT, that points to you as most likely.

[path12]

I'm not sure why I look suspicious to a couple of you. I am trying to challenge people and see where they stand.

I can tell you why I have you on my list. You voted for GoldenEagle whom I believe to be good, you voted Gram whom I am leaning towards as good, and you think the tie strategy is a good one, which I disagree with.

Do any of those make you bad? Nope. But they put you on my suspicious list for now.

[Blade6119]

when would be too early to start voting for the next day? would an early vote be beneficial to spur action?
You can vote now, but since night is coming, dont expect too much until the morning. Im considering voting tonight as well

[path12]

and path..well, i dont know...

Man, if I had a dollar for every time I've heard that........:D

[bulletsponge]

when would be too early to start voting for the next day? would an early vote be beneficial to spur action?

Daddy you can vote now if you wish. when i vote early i always add the my vote is subject to change so i can change it without making a commitment

[Fouts]

I can tell you why I have you on my list. You voted for GoldenEagle whom I believe to be good, you voted Gram whom I am leaning towards as good, and you think the tie strategy is a good one, which I disagree with.

Do any of those make you bad? Nope. But they put you on my suspicious list for now.

Goldeneagle vote was a random day 1 vote. YOU voted for Schmidty after his post about the 4 word PM on day 1. That makes you more suspicious than me. It is starting to look like you and I are on opposite teams with opposite viewpoints. Since I am a simple villager, what does that make you?

[Grammaticus]

GE was not on my list until path brought him up. I re-read just his posts and found one of note. Gramat may have missed it just like i did until i re-read it.
I saw his post, but when I floated the first "I saw a post clue" he did not get it and came after me pretty hard. If he understood the post, he would not have done that. He is new and I am convinced he just posted his intro that way.

[bulletsponge]

well im off to bed. hopefully my dreams will be of Jessica alba not werewolves

[Abe Sargent]

He posts in times? To what? A funky backbeat?



This post was in response to GE's claiming molson posts in odd times or somesuch

[Blade6119]

Goldeneagle vote was a random day 1 vote. YOU voted for Schmidty after his post about the 4 word PM on day 1. That makes you more suspicious than me. It is starting to look like you and I are on opposite teams with opposite viewpoints. Since I am a simple villager, what does that make you?
I was under the impression he voted schmidty pre-4 worf PM reveal...schmidty voted back at path in retaliation.

[Abe Sargent]

well im off to bed. hopefully my dreams will be of Jessica alba not werewolves



Or, alternatively, Jessica Alba AS a werewolf.

[Blade6119]

I saw his post, but when I floated the first "I saw a post clue" he did not get it and came after me pretty hard. If he understood the post, he would not have done that. He is new and I am convinced he just posted his intro that way.
Let me go look around, 1 sec

[Fouts]

I was under the impression he voted schmidty pre-4 worf PM reveal...schmidty voted back at path in retaliation.

My bad, it was right after, but Path didn't change his vote.

[Fouts]

My bad, it was right after, but Path didn't change his vote.

To be fair, he didn't post at all after Schmidty's vote. Nevermind what I said.

[Lorena]

But we can't help you if we don't know where you're coming from.

I noticed there are several people that trust Schmidty, but he hasn't said anything so I'm wondering why.

[tanglewood]

I was under the impression he voted schmidty pre-4 worf PM reveal...schmidty voted back at path in retaliation.

Just went back to check and this is correct.

[Abe Sargent]

13 peops. Yay!

[tanglewood]

I noticed there are several people that trust Schmidty, but he hasn't said anything so I'm wondering why.

Was your role PM particulary lenghty?

[Fouts]

I noticed there are several people that trust Schmidty, but he hasn't said anything so I'm wondering why.

Really? He did say one thing that made him look trusted.

[Blade6119]

I noticed there are several people that trust Schmidty, but he hasn't said anything so I'm wondering why.
This is why:
F U path. According to my 4 word PM, I'm a Villager.

Vote path12
Its has become fairly public knowledge that simple villagers got PMs with 4 words...the exact wording we dont need to share...the past 3 days a few of us have hinted and baited with this information, including the now dead alanT, and we now have a very small group of trust outside of the masons

[path12]

Goldeneagle vote was a random day 1 vote. YOU voted for Schmidty after his post about the 4 word PM on day 1. That makes you more suspicious than me. It is starting to look like you and I are on opposite teams with opposite viewpoints. Since I am a simple villager, what does that make you?

I'm going to have limited availability today, so in the meantime:

Vote Schmidty

I made that vote and was then out until this morning. As I said to Alan when he questioned me about that:

I pretty much laid down a vote and was gone the rest of the day. If I had seen the obligatory Schmidty 'fuck you here's a vote back' post I would have changed it for likely the same reason you're stating.

But that horse is way dead, which makes it funny that you thought bringing it up again would somehow damn me.

We very could both be villagers. I am. All I'm saying is that I'm not sure if you are or not.

[Fouts]

I saw his post, but when I floated the first "I saw a post clue" he did not get it and came after me pretty hard. If he understood the post, he would not have done that. He is new and I am convinced he just posted his intro that way.

I just went back and looked at his posts and saw what you mean. Not sure how I missed it the first time. Now I can see how I look guilty randomly choosing GE for my first day vote.

[Fouts]

But that horse is way dead, which makes it funny that you thought bringing it up again would somehow damn me.

We very could both be villagers. I am. All I'm saying is that I'm not sure if you are or not.

Got it. Like I said above. Nevermind.

[Blade6119]

I just went back and looked at his posts and saw what you mean. Not sure how I missed it the first time. Now I can see how I look guilty randomly choosing GE for my first day vote.
Fouts, you seem to be trying quite hard to latch onto our little COT, but the door is shut...it just seems suspicious now

[Lathum]

It started when you posted twice about why people would go for Chief Rum when he is out for the day. Seemed odd that with experience you would stick up for CR so early and it seemed out of character for how I remember you playing (I know time and player makeup change game style).

Then your theory about you and Blade having history and Saldana having a grudge and what not. You and Saldana are best friends, he posted about you getting engages (congrats, by the way!). Surely you know we would know of your friendship with Saldana. Seems like a weird thing to post so early in the game. The rest of your theory just did not sound like anything of substance.

Then you and Molson and possibly CR seem to have an interplay going on with your votes.

I agree with a little over half the field having some experience, at least one wolf is statistically bound to be a vet. Outside of the golden list and my COT, that points to you as most likely.
I just wanted to gice CR a break and steer people towards noddadrop since I figured he would be useless.

The whole "grudge" comment was meant tounge in cheek since saldana voted for me early after I diseased him last game

IF I was the "veteran" leader of the werewolf faction I certainly would not be playing this way.

It seems to me you are trying to take some heat off of yourself and direct it towards me.

[Fouts]

Fouts, you seem to be trying quite hard to latch onto our little COT, but the door is shut...it just seems suspicious now

You told me to talk, dork.

[path12]

Got it. Like I said above. Nevermind.

No problem, it took me way too long to make the post, didn't mean to dig any deeper.

[st.cronin]

Just to clear things up for everybody:

EVERY PLAYER GOT THE SAME 4 WORD PM, REGARDLESS OF THEIR ROLE. Some players then got more information.

[Blade6119]

You told me to talk, dork.
I want you to talk, im just telling you to discuss some new ideas now. I know i am contradicting myself, but i think in general im trying to tell telling us you see the GE thing now is not going to gain trust.

And granted, after X-com im always more suspicious of you

[Grammaticus]

Let me go look around, 1 sec
Look at post 406, that is where I lay the "Blade and Schmidty posted something" comment. Then look at post 451 where GE enters and starts his rampage on me. Then look at post 456, he thinks my post 406 is a "curve ball".

He didn't get it or he would not have came after me in the manner that he did.

[Blade6119]

Just to clear things up for everybody:

EVERY PLAYER GOT THE SAME 4 WORD PM, REGARDLESS OF THEIR ROLE. Some players then got more information.
The other info makes it not 4 words, but i understand the message. Ill drop the subject

[molson]

I think Schmidty was just trying to be cute (or devious), and now the entire game is revolving around his comment - in his complete absence. He'd be amused.

[DaddyTorgo]

Look at post 406, that is where I lay the "Blade and Schmidty posted something" comment. Then look at post 451 where GE enters and starts his rampage on me. Then look at post 456, he thinks my post 406 is a "curve ball".

He didn't get it or he would not have came after me in the manner that he did.

but did he not get it cuz he's new, or cuz he's furry?

[Fouts]

I want you to talk, im just telling you to discuss some new ideas now. I know i am contradicting myself, but i think in general im trying to tell telling us you see the GE thing now is not going to gain trust.

And granted, after X-com im always more suspicious of you

Don't worry, I'm not a spy. I'm just trying to put the spotlight on people and see how the react. Without any special powers, I have no other way to get information.

[st.cronin]

The other info makes it not 4 words, but i understand the message. Ill drop the subject

Just keep in mind that every player knows the pm that villagers got. So, go ahead and use it ... just be prepared for it not to mean anything at all.

[Blade6119]

Someone pick a number out of 1,2,or 3

[Grammaticus]

I just wanted to gice CR a break and steer people towards noddadrop since I figured he would be useless.

The whole "grudge" comment was meant tounge in cheek since saldana voted for me early after I diseased him last game

IF I was the "veteran" leader of the werewolf faction I certainly would not be playing this way.

It seems to me you are trying to take some heat off of yourself and direct it towards me.
See, now that sounds suspicious as the HEAT has pretty much dropped off me already.

[Fouts]

See, now that sounds suspicious as the HEAT has pretty much dropped off me already.

Any theories on why you were saved?

[DaddyTorgo]

Someone pick a number out of 1,2,or 3

2 blade

[DaddyTorgo]

suspicious or petty Gram?

I think there are others that are higher up on my (admittedly newbie) list than Lathum, but he's on there somewhere.

[Lorena]

Was your role PM particulary lenghty?

No, but I think too much stock placed on the 4 word PM.

Schmidty seemed to have voted for path as retaliation, but haven't seen him post much since. Actually, he didn't even vote. I'm not entirely sure how much stock is placed on people voting on a daily basis, but Schmidty seems to be laying low..... REALLY low.

Who knows, he may be in fact be a villager, I just can't rule him out quite yet.

[Blade6119]

2 blade
1.Lathum
2.Fouts
3.GoldenEagle

VOTE FOUTS

[Fouts]

1.Lathum
2.Fouts
3.GoldenEagle

VOTE FOUTS

Hell, you voted for Chubby, so its not like you know much.

[Abe Sargent]

1.Lathum
2.Fouts
3.GoldenEagle

VOTE FOUTS


You coulda just rolled dice like I did, but nooooo, you have to make someone else the bad guy;)

[Blade6119]

You coulda just rolled dice like I did, but nooooo, you have to make someone else the bad guy;)
lol, or the hero when fouts comes up bad

[Grammaticus]

So Farrah, what is up with your comment about not trusting red heads then saying something about schmidty is good, then voting for him.

Are we not supposed to trust Schmidty or you and why?

[Fouts]

Day 1 vote;
5 - Noddadrop - Lathum, molson, GoldenEagle, SnDvls, saldana
2 - Blade - Grammaticus, DaddyTorgo
2 - Schmidty - path12, greyroofoo
1 - Lathum - Blade
1 - Chief Rum - Swaggs
1 - Chubby - bulletsponge
1 - bulletsponge - Chubby
1 - path12 - Schmidty
1 - saldana - farrah
1 - tanglewood - dodgerchick
1 - AlanT - Anxiety
1 - Swaggs - tanglewood
1 - GoldenEagle - Fouts

last 10 minutes - Tanglewood switches Swaggs to Nodda, Alan votes Gram, Gram switches from blade to Alan.

Day 2 vote;
4 - Chubby - Blade, bulletsponge, dodgerchick,
Grammaticus
4 - Grammaticus - GoldenEagle, Fouts, Swaggs,
AlanT
3 - SnDvls - tanglewood, Daddytorgo, molson
1 - Swaggs - Chief Rum
1 - Blade - Lathum
1 - farrah - Chubby
1 - Dodgerchick - SnDvls
1 - Schmidty - farrah
1 - Fouts - path12

not voted

Anxiety
greyroofoo
Schmidty

Last 10 minutes - Daddy switches from Chubby to SnDvls, Gram votes for Chubby, molson switches from Lathum to SnDvls, Alan votes Gram for a tie, Gram calls to keep it a tie.

[Lathum]

1.Lathum
2.Fouts
3.GoldenEagle

VOTE FOUTS
maybe I'm missing something but what does this mean?

[Blade6119]

maybe I'm missing something but what does this mean?
I wrote those 3 down, happy to vote for any of the 3. Asked someone to pick a number, someone picked 2, and fouts was #2. So hes my vote

[Lathum]

oh, ok. Getting a little late on the east coast.

[Lathum]

why would I be on that list?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus
It started when you posted twice about why people would go for Chief Rum when he is out for the day. Seemed odd that with experience you would stick up for CR so early and it seemed out of character for how I remember you playing (I know time and player makeup change game style).

Then your theory about you and Blade having history and Saldana having a grudge and what not. You and Saldana are best friends, he posted about you getting engages (congrats, by the way!). Surely you know we would know of your friendship with Saldana. Seems like a weird thing to post so early in the game. The rest of your theory just did not sound like anything of substance.

Then you and Molson and possibly CR seem to have an interplay going on with your votes.

I agree with a little over half the field having some experience, at least one wolf is statistically bound to be a vet. Outside of the golden list and my COT, that points to you as most likely.

[st.cronin]

I am having a lot of fun, folks. I hope you all are, too.

[Lathum]

and like I have sid repeatedly, why would I draw attention to myself if I was the "ringleader"

[path12]

No, but I think too much stock placed on the 4 word PM.

Schmidty seemed to have voted for path as retaliation, but haven't seen him post much since. Actually, he didn't even vote. I'm not entirely sure how much stock is placed on people voting on a daily basis, but Schmidty seems to be laying low..... REALLY low.

Who knows, he may be in fact be a villager, I just can't rule him out quite yet.

This is not that unusual for Schmidty.

[path12]

I am having a lot of fun, folks. I hope you all are, too.

Simple games are sometimes the most fun.

[Alan T]

I am having a lot of fun, folks. I hope you all are, too.


I am!

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

So Farrah, what is up with your comment about not trusting red heads then saying something about schmidty is good, then voting for him.

Are we not supposed to trust Schmidty or you and why?

I said Schmidty was an attractive choice for a vote as a werewolf. He apparently didn't get past attractive...:p

[saldana]

I am!
i'm not

[Schmidty]

Well, it happened again. Another missed vote, and another day of little activity from me.

We went to a friends house to see their new baby, decided to go out to dinner, and didn't get home until an hour or so ago.

Anyway, I just wanted to say sorry guys (and gals). :(

I work (without internet access) tomorrow until around 4 PM PST, so you won't see me until after that. Just a heads up.

[Lorena]

i'm not

:(

[DaddyTorgo]

Well, it happened again. Another missed vote, and another day of little activity from me.

We went to a friends house to see their new baby, decided to go out to dinner, and didn't get home until an hour or so ago.

Anyway, I just wanted to say sorry guys (and gals). :(

I work (without internet access) tomorrow until around 4 PM PST, so you won't see me until after that. Just a heads up.

the truth? or a clever ploy? schmidty's potential werewolfiness rises in my eyes...

[Chief Rum]

Wow, so many theories my head is spinning. How do you vets keep up with all this?

I agree that this must be a go for the vets thing. I guess that means I am safe from the wolves, right? (peeks over shoulder to be sure)

I'm not sure what all the too-doo is about you guys acuusing each other (and me). I think we all have too little information and are trying to fill it with theories for lack of actual evidence.

I voted for Swaggs today simply as a revenge vote for Day 1, but as it turns out, I am a little suspicious he didn't post much at all, for the same reason others were suspicious of Sndvls earlier. Schmidty and Anxiety (the date was only at night, where was he before) for the same reasons.

But like I said, it's just another theory with little to support it. For all we know, the wolves are newbs who don't know what to make of all this and are picking vet players at random.

[Abe Sargent]

I agree with CR that we don't know enough yet to really be going after people hardcore. Right now, it's merely the vaguest of suspicions

[Chief Rum]

It is time for my daily early vote before I take off for work. Fortunately, I only work the first job today, so I might get back to change this vote before the deadline, and will be around for night time posting.

With that aside, I vote Schmidty.

He's a vet and has been way too quiet. I think he may be trying to fly under the radar. As I said, I reserve the right to change this vote up until the deadline.

[Lorena]

By the way, is it normal that I go through scenarios in my head as I'm dropping my kid off at school?

Darn, what has become of me?

[Lathum]

By the way, is it normal that I go through scenarios in my head as I'm dropping my kid off at school?

Darn, what has become of me?
I'm afraid so. Wait until you really get deeper into a game, It makes you crazy.

[hoopsguy]

By the way, is it normal that I go through scenarios in my head as I'm dropping my kid off at school?

Darn, what has become of me?

I have found car/train rides to be times where I do some of my best thinking when playing these games (regardless of which side I'm on).

[Swaggs]

Did I miss the write up from the night actions?

[Blade6119]

yes

[path12]

My interwebs seem to be a little sketchy this morning, so I think I'll put in a placeholder vote:

Vote molson

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Um, so who got killed on night 2?

[Lathum]

Um, so who got killed on night 2?
alanT

[GoldenEagle]

Um, so who got killed on night 2?

I think you know exactly who got killed on night 2.

[SnDvls]

4 new pages from last night is too much.

I really have nothing to go on again, but before last night fouts was jumping on my radar. Just a gut feeling type thing nothing specific. I don't want to make this feel like a pile on and blade and I usually are at eachother pretty early on in these WW games, but I like his thoughs this game.

vote fouts

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

I think you know exactly who got killed on night 2.

You're right. It was alanT. Thanks Lathum.

[bulletsponge]

ok just got caught up. im getting tired of that grefoomanchoo not participating. hell i dont even know his whole name ive seen him so little. im going to put some heat on him and hope he shows up!

Vote Greyfoochoo please forgive the bad spelling

[bulletsponge]

dola i meant

Vote Greyroofoo

i thinks thats his name

[bulletsponge]

dola,

i may change this if he shows up, i dont trust fouts

[hoopsguy]

Bullet, congratulations on outliving Chubby.

[bulletsponge]

thanks feels good. im going to go dance on his grave

[bulletsponge]

ok sorry about that Grey, i went back and read some and spotted you posting a bit, you are paying attention... so

Unvote Greyroofoo

[molson]

Yesterday was a weird day. I'm curious if the mild suspicion towards me continues, and especially, where it comes from.

I'm basically in the same role as DaddyTogo in this game - it's my first time playing, and mostly babbling and thinking out loud. I'm sure in doing so, someone will find something more suspicious about than say, a less active noob, but I'm not going to sit entirely on the sidelines my first time through.

Going with my instinct from yesterday, I'm going to:

Vote Lathum

However, I'm positive that there's a relatively inactive noob wolf who's afraid to say much and "give something away". So I may end up going that way, especially if there's other support for someone like that.

[Grammaticus]

I'm going with my top choice for now

VOTE LATHUM

[Grammaticus]

Anxiety,

Why didn't you vote yesterday (in day 2)?

[bulletsponge]

your doing good as a noobie, go ahead and stir things up! everyone dies in WW eventually, might as well go out in a fight!

[Lathum]

I still don't understand why Gramm is getting a pass? I went back and looked at the deadline votes and it seems fishy.

At post 462 Chubby is leading 4-3 over gramm and Gramm still hasn't voted.

472 Daddytorgo unvotes chubby and creates a tie between Chubby and Gramm. Gramm still hasn't voted yet.

481 Gramm votes for chubby 2 minutes before the deadline putting chubby on the block. Says it is self preservation which is believable but I find it odd he would wait to vote so close to the deadline. If he votes earlier it makes it 5-3 and puts him out of harms way. At that point there is no reason for him to assume Daddy is going to unvote hime.

484 AlanT ties it up, IMO Gramm probably didn't see this coming and has to do some damage control.

485 Gramm begs to leave it a tie. He does this right at the deadline so a tie is already a foregone conclusion. Now he can claim he didn't realize it was right at the deadline, etc..

It just seems to me he was holding his vote as long as he could to make sure he wasn't lynched or at the very best was involved in a tie. Once there was a tie he begs to keep it that way. Was he sending out a message to the Mason's that he wants a tie because he has nothing to hide. It also is a very high risk/reward play because it can clear him in some peoples minds but to me it seems fishy.

Discuss.

[Lathum]

Yesterday was a weird day. I'm curious if the mild suspicion towards me continues, and especially, where it comes from.

I'm basically in the same role as DaddyTogo in this game - it's my first time playing, and mostly babbling and thinking out loud. I'm sure in doing so, someone will find something more suspicious about than say, a less active noob, but I'm not going to sit entirely on the sidelines my first time through.

Going with my instinct from yesterday, I'm going to:

Vote Lathum

However, I'm positive that there's a relatively inactive noob wolf who's afraid to say much and "give something away". So I may end up going that way, especially if there's other support for someone like that.
can you at least make some kind of valid point as to why so I can debunk your theory? Voting without an explination seems suspiscous to me.

[Lathum]

I'm going with my top choice for now

VOTE LATHUM
and why am I your top choice?

[Lathum]

For reasons stated above

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[bulletsponge]

wow sure got quiet, only Dodgerchick and i are on now

[bulletsponge]

dodgerchick if theres ever a time to say something without a bunch of ww nuts jumping on you, nows the time

[st.cronin]

current vote count

2 - Fouts - Blade, SnDvls
2 - Lathum - molson, Grammaticus
1 - Molson - path12
1 - Grammaticus - Lathum

Did I miss anybody?