Werewolf XXXI: House of Frankenstein (Game Over)

[molson]

I don't I'm going to change my Farrah vote, (unless the vote comes down to myself v. sndvls).

Any plan for the weekend yet? I think this game might need a day off. Give people a chance to catch up, etc, generate some new thoughts.

[st.cronin]

I don't I'm going to change my Farrah vote, (unless the vote comes down to myself v. sndvls).

Any plan for the weekend yet? I think this game might need a day off. Give people a chance to catch up, etc, generate some new thoughts.

I am thinking about extending this day to sometime tomorrow afternoon, then ending Day 6 on Monday at the usual time.

[bulletsponge]

well if thats the case then i dont have to vote now. im leaning toward Farrah ( redheads cant be trusted) and roopoo whats his name. hes way to quiet.

[Alan T]

I'm surprised at what a slow day this has been.


I will try to post more, I apologize.

I think we should look at hoopsguy carefully. He's been way under the radar!

[hoopsguy]

Alan, take a long look at the moderator in cases where the villagers can't find a wolf. That is my best advice at this point.

Unless someone makes a compelling case in the next couple of hours, I will be voting for St. Cronin.

[Barkeep49]

Hoops: With advice like that it shows why you are so well regarded.

[hoopsguy]

Just trying to think outside the box.

[st.cronin]

Wouldn't it be funny if I actually WAS a wolf?

[Barkeep49]

Wouldn't it be funny if I actually WAS a wolf?
It would be less "HA HA" funny and more "lock me up in an insane asylum" funny.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, you're a pistol, you're really funny. You're really funny.

[Lorena]

Wouldn't it be funny if I actually WAS a wolf?

Umm.. I don't know what to think about this :confused:

[Grammaticus]

Well, I am very suprised and dissapointed that Blade was a good guy. Path and Anxiety, I guess you were right all along and we were being taken for a ride.

Onto today however, I am currently not really to sure where to go with my vote. Molson does look a bit suspicious, I agree he has been acting very, I dunno, odd throughout the game. The big thing though is how 3 of his 4 voters are now dead. At the moment I am not so sure what that says. I think it could well be that all the bad guys pilled onto Blade knowing he was going down and they wouldn't get heat when he came up clean. Could SnDvls however be Dr. Reimann? Setting up Blade, then seeing through his own set up to come up smelling like roses at the end? I can;t off the top of my head remember why SnDvls voted for Molson and not Blade, but I'll look it up and see what clues that might give us.

As to guys who Blade, Anxiety and Path saw as suspicious, well I guess we can take some pointers but they were all normal guys who didn't have any special insight. I do think they are as good a place as any to start however.
You should have some insight or ideas on why Molson would vote the way he did, your voting pattern is exactly the same as his. You have both voted for the same person every day.

[Lathum]

Alan, take a long look at the moderator in cases where the villagers can't find a wolf. That is my best advice at this point.

Unless someone makes a compelling case in the next couple of hours, I will be voting for St. Cronin.
I hate to pile on but I have to agree with voting for St. Cronin.

[Lorena]

Okay, I'm not sure if I should take this voting for St. Cronin thing seriously or what. Way to throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing :rolleyes:

Can we vote for a GM or are ya'll yanking our noob chains? Possible hidden roles? Hmm...

[hoopsguy]

DC - just having some fun. Since I'm not in the game I can't share any real theories; would not be sporting.

In all seriousness, I have heard of a WW game running on another board (one of hundreds of games that have completed there) where there were no bad guys except for the moderator. In my more cynical moments I had thought of doing that on here but decided I didn't want 20 people simultaneously hating me that much :eek:

[hoopsguy]

Dola - I have no reason to think Cronin is doing this. If I did I would not have suggested voting for him.

[st.cronin]

DC - just having some fun. Since I'm not in the game I can't share any real theories; would not be sporting.

In all seriousness, I have heard of a WW game running on another board (one of hundreds of games that have completed there) where there were no bad guys except for the moderator. In my more cynical moments I had thought of doing that on here but decided I didn't want 20 people simultaneously hating me that much :eek:

That would be soooooooooooooo evil.

[DaddyTorgo]

damm. this day is slow so far. after work and I would still like to see a vote on CR, although I think that we have all seemingly settled on SnDvls at this point. I'd vote CR if it wasn't essentially a throwaway vote at this point with no one else to back me...glad I still have a little while to decide.

[bulletsponge]

damm. this day is slow so far. after work and I would still like to see a vote on CR, although I think that we have all seemingly settled on SnDvls at this point. I'd vote CR if it wasn't essentially a throwaway vote at this point with no one else to back me...glad I still have a little while to decide.


i havnt settled on Sndvls, whats the case against him. and Daddy dont be afraid to vote for who you think is a wolf just beacuse everyone is voting for someone else, thats what the wolfs want you to do

[bulletsponge]

dola, im not saying the people leading the Sndvls vote are wolves. just a generalization

[st.cronin]

I'm extending today's deadline til 1pm Eastern time tomorrow.

[GoldenEagle]

<b>Vote Lathum</b>

[bulletsponge]

dead men dont vote

[saldana]

DC - just having some fun. Since I'm not in the game I can't share any real theories; would not be sporting.

In all seriousness, I have heard of a WW game running on another board (one of hundreds of games that have completed there) where there were no bad guys except for the moderator. In my more cynical moments I had thought of doing that on here but decided I didn't want 20 people simultaneously hating me that much :eek:

if anyone is running that game...it has to be me.

[Barkeep49]

if anyone is running that game...it has to be me.
Only makes sense as the existance of bad guys in your game is almost a chimera to begin with...

[Greyroofoo]

personally I think dead people and people not involved in the game should not be able to post at all in a WW thread.

[tanglewood]

If that were the case this thread would be on page 3 right now....

Dissapointing that today had been quiet, but then I guess I am just as guilty as everyone else in that regard. I just don't really see any of the candidates for today's lynch as very appealing. At least today should provide some more information to look at tomorrow, but then I'm not sure how much time we have left to waste just 'collecting information' when we desperatley need to hit a wolf.

[st.cronin]

personally I think dead people and people not involved in the game should not be able to post at all in a WW thread.

Some GMs take that view. I think it's ok as long as they're not influencing results. I encourage all dead bodies to follow along with the game, and posting harmlessly once in a while probably helps in that respect. I haven't had any issues with any of the posts by non-players in this game.

[bulletsponge]

the lynch isnt till tomorow, thats why its quiet

[Lorena]

Waitaminute...

How was Frankenstein created? By dead body parts right? Interesting how st. cronin was “torn to pieces” (post 1) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1215651&postcount=1) and fouts was torn “limb for limb” (post 1023) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1223508&postcount=1023) and path12 was “torn apart” by wolves (post 1290) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1224429&postcount=1290). Cronin didn't wanna comment on “hidden roles” which leads me to believe that there are. If you read post 1 carefully, he mentions how the village was at one point ravaged by Dr. Frankenstein. I seriously believe someone is the evil Dr. Frankenstein.

Unvote Farrah

Vote st. cronin

Am I allowed to do that?

[saldana]

methinks DodgerChick has become the newest WW addict. :)

[bulletsponge]

Waitaminute...

How was Frankenstein created? By dead body parts right? Interesting how st. cronin was “torn to pieces” (post 1) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1215651&postcount=1) and fouts was torn “limb for limb” (post 1023) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1223508&postcount=1023) and path12 was “torn apart” by wolves (post 1290) (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1224429&postcount=1290). Cronin didn't wanna comment on “hidden roles” which leads me to believe that there are. If you read post 1 carefully, he mentions how the village was at one point ravaged by Dr. Frankenstein. I seriously believe someone is the evil Dr. Frankenstein.

Unvote Farrah

Vote st. cronin

Am I allowed to do that?


umm, only if you want everyone to think that your intentionaly throwing your vote away :)

but its good to see your thinking outside the box, which is more than i can say about myself. it looks like your turning into a true WW player, your reading way too much into some posts ;)

[Greyroofoo]

THATS IT! I WANT THESE MOTHER F***ING WEREWOLVES OUT OF MY MOTHER F***ING VILLAGE!

[DaddyTorgo]

THATS IT! I WANT THESE MOTHER F***ING WEREWOLVES OUT OF MY MOTHER F***ING VILLAGE!

so does this mean you're going to vote for yourself?

[Lorena]

umm, only if you want everyone to think that your intentionaly throwing your vote away :)

but its good to see your thinking outside the box, which is more than i can say about myself. it looks like your turning into a true WW player, your reading way too much into some posts ;)

Aww shoot. So you mean st. cronin's arms and fout's legs and Golden Eagles torso and saldana's testicles along with Anxiety's blood can't be used to create a brand new corpse? Shoot, and I thought I was on to something.

[Barkeep49]

THATS IT! I WANT THESE MOTHER F***ING WEREWOLVES OUT OF MY MOTHER F***ING VILLAGE!
Careful. You'll start to sound like me from Schmidty's game.

[Barkeep49]

Aww shoot. So you mean st. cronin's arms and fout's legs and Golden Eagles torso and saldana's testicles along with Anxiety's blood can't be used to create a brand new corpse? Shoot, and I thought I was on to something.
I think your post deserves mega props for creativity. With thinking like this you will go far in this game.

[Lorena]

whoops, not corpse of course, but monster, I should have said.

Damn these edit rules! :rolleyes:

[Barkeep49]

To veer things back on topic: Is it outragous to think that there might be a Dr. Frankenstine running around? The lack of such a character was most surprising to me at the outset. I've pretty much ruled out secret roles, but perhaps that's the exception?

[bulletsponge]

ok i might not be here next morning to make a vote so ill do it now

Vote Farrah

its more gut than proof, but there is a rookie wolf ( cronin made me a wolf in my rookie game) and shes peeked my Hmmm radar once or twice. i hate voting and then not being around when the real voting starts because i like to change my vote, so this will have to do.

[Lorena]

To veer things back on topic: Is it outragous to think that there might be a Dr. Frankenstine running around? The lack of such a character was most surprising to me at the outset. I've pretty much ruled out secret roles, but perhaps that's the exception?

I have a feeling there is a Dr. Frankestein... where would a Frankenstein monster come from if not from pieces of dead corpses (like lynched villagers and wolf kills).

And since I guess I can't vote for cronin, I'll stick with my inital vote:

VOTE FARRAH

I also noticed that Farrah asked what seems to be the same question twice which seems a bit odd:

Ok so now what? What are these night moves or night activities st. cronin talked about?

in which Lathum and Gram answered her question:

anyone who has a role that requires doing something at night ( the wolves making a kill for example) do it now by sending a PM to St. Cronin. The rest of us just wait untill morning and hope we are still alive.

The wolves are going to kill one of us villagers. And of course Frank could be activated causing another kill.

dola,

Oh and the Count could use a night kill as well. I guess up to three people could get killed throught the night.

So after getting her question answered, she asked again:

Did anyone else notice the werewolf kills come rather quickly after the day ends? Is that normal?

[Lorena]

dola,

not sure I'll be on tomorrow around deadline, thus my vote tonight

[DaddyTorgo]

damm...i better vote tonight so i can sleep

[DaddyTorgo]

headin off to bed so let's see

VOTE SnDvls

I was leaning t his way and I havn't seen anything to push me off it, and have in fact seen more (from Swaggs and Barkeep) to push me towards it.

[Chief Rum]

NOT A NEW VOTE!

I just wanted that to be clear. It feels like I voted aeons ago, so I am putting a new vote post here closer to the deadline, so it won't be missed.

VOTE SNDVLS

[Grammaticus]

I'm going with the Sndvls vote for now

VOTE SNDVLS

[Barkeep49]

Ok here's what I have for a vote count:

Molson - sndvls(1339), Swaggs(1380)
Farrah - molson(1444), Bulletsponge(1540), dodgerchick(1541),
SnDvls - Chief Rum(1489), daddytorgo(1544), grammaticus(1546)

Not voted:
tanglewood
greyroofoo
farrah
Barkeep

[Barkeep49]

I guess I should start off by explaining that I think Farrah is the least suspicious of the three and so it's very unlikely my vote would go that way. If the vote deadline was now I would vote SnDvls, I suppose, but really don't feel great about it.

[tanglewood]

Vote Molson

Not sure if I'll be avaliable at the deadline, and I think he's the fishiest candidate of the three who are being fingred at them moment. Like I said I can't really out my finger on why exactly, he's just come of as very eager and forceful, perhaps a bit too pushy. I think he's trying to force the play a bit too much.

[Barkeep49]

So that makes it a three way tie. I look forward, in particular, to see where greyroofoo goes as I have no real feel for him.

[bulletsponge]

i personaly dont have a overwhelming feel got Farrah, so i could be pursuaded to change if someone makes a case for someone else

[molson]

I won't be around too much up until the deadline, but I'll obviously cast a survival swing vote, if necessary.

Sndvls/farrah is a basically a toss up for me. I'm not sure how being "forceful", "pushy", or "playing a strange game" makes people suspicious of me - it's pretty clear that the WW are running under the radar.

[Lathum]

so is someone gonna get lynched, when's the deadline...?

[st.cronin]

Deadline is 1pm Eastern time, approximately 90 minutes away.

[bulletsponge]

I won't be around too much up until the deadline, but I'll obviously cast a survival swing vote, if necessary.

Sndvls/farrah is a basically a toss up for me. I'm not sure how being "forceful", "pushy", or "playing a strange game" makes people suspicious of me - it's pretty clear that the WW are running under the radar.


yes, this is a strange game of WW. theres no way to clear anyone or condem them 100%. pushy and forceful dont bother me, its the "quiet and lowkey" ones that in suspicious of. after all everyone whos been killed so far have been the bigger posters, while the quiet ones dont even get votes.

[bulletsponge]

Deadline is 1pm Eastern time, approximately 90 minutes away.

do you think everybody knows this?

[st.cronin]

do you think everybody knows this?

It's posted twice in thread now and in the thread title.

[bulletsponge]

well if Farrah isnt going to vote then my vote stays on her for sure

[molson]

So that makes it a three way tie. I look forward, in particular, to see where greyroofoo goes as I have no real feel for him.

Me too. Hasn't he voted really late every time? A late vote here would seem to be critical (unless all 3 "suspects" are villagers).

[Greyroofoo]

Me too. Hasn't he voted really late every time? A late vote here would seem to be critical (unless all 3 "suspects" are villagers).

I just like to vote late in case someone throws out an interesting theory :)

[Greyroofoo]

vote bulletsponge
...for calling me "roopoo"

[bulletsponge]

vote bulletsponge
...for calling me "roopoo"


hehe fair enough. sorry i just cant remeber your name. and you dont post enough for me to get the hang of it

[Lorena]

vote bulletsponge
...for calling me "roopoo"

Grey, is that the only reason you voted for bulletsponge because he called you "roopoo"?

[Chief Rum]

Grey, is that the only reason you voted for bulletsponge because he called you "roopoo"?

Rings bells with you, too, huh?

[bulletsponge]

Rings bells with you, too, huh?

nah. i most rookies do votes like that at least once

[Lorena]

Rings bells with you, too, huh?

Absolutely! With all this *evidence* we have for all 3, I would like to know if he's serious about casting a vote for someone because he made fun of his name. :confused:

[bulletsponge]

dola

although if he was a wolf he might make do that thinking its cover

[Swaggs]

Any chance that a tie holds? That would actually be a real good thing in the case of a three-way tie, as far as I am concerned. That way, if we are mistakenly putting a mason on the list, they are able to protect their own without blatently giving themselves up according to their votes.

[Lorena]

nah. i most rookies do votes like that at least once

I don't buy it.

dola

although if he was a wolf he might make do that thinking its cover

Exactly. That and he has been suspiciously quiet.

[Swaggs]

I don't find that vote all that suspicious, unless he flops it.

It pretty much says that he doesn't see any one of the three people currently tied for the lead as a better choice than the other. If he were a wolf, he would be trying to swing things away from his wolfy friends. Unless we are wrong on all three (which I seriously doubt).

[Greyroofoo]

Grey, is that the only reason you voted for bulletsponge because he called you "roopoo"?

Nah, but having a 3-way tie is probably the best chance we have right now to flush out a wolf.

[Grammaticus]

Bull crap Gryroofoo, you are full of it.

UNVOTE SNDVL

VOTE GREYROOFOO

[Grammaticus]

Plus a three way tie right now is stupid. A wolf can just switch at the last minute and ensure a villager is nailed. So can Dr. R. as long as he as scanned someone and knows who a wolf is.

[Swaggs]

Plus a three way tie right now is stupid. A wolf can just switch at the last minute and ensure a villager is nailed. So can Dr. R. as long as he as scanned someone and knows who a wolf is.

A three-way tie is not stupid. It gives the masons a chance to decide the outcome and gives them some cover to do it in, since there will be three voting blocks, rather than two.

[bulletsponge]

Plus a three way tie right now is stupid. A wolf can just switch at the last minute and ensure a villager is nailed. So can Dr. R. as long as he as scanned someone and knows who a wolf is.

if someone changes thier vote now and a villager is killed dont you think a big red flag would be raised on said vote changer?

[Swaggs]

if someone changes thier vote now and a villager is killed dont you think a big red flag would be raised on said vote changer?

Exactly. Kind of like Gramm is doing to himself right now.

[Greyroofoo]

Plus a three way tie right now is stupid. A wolf can just switch at the last minute and ensure a villager is nailed. So can Dr. R. as long as he as scanned someone and knows who a wolf is.

Or the wolf can post "HEY LOOK AT ME! I'M A WOLF!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!1!"

right after s/he changes her/his vote.

[molson]

So now it's Molson 3, Farah 3, SunDvls 2, and barkeep said he was leaning towards SunDvls.

[Grammaticus]

I do not know about you greyroofoo, I do not want to waste vote and I think a tie is bad right now.

I will go with Farrah,

UNVOTE GREYROOFOO

VOTE FARAH

[Grammaticus]

I do not think both Molson and Sndvl are wolves based on day two votes. But I think one is a wolf.

I do think Farrah is the likely newbie wolf.

[Swaggs]

if someone changes thier vote now and a villager is killed dont you think a big red flag would be raised on said vote changer?

I think molson is Dracula and SnDvls is a wolf, so you are probably right on that part.

[Swaggs]

I think molson is Dracula and SnDvls is a wolf, so you are probably right on that part.

Whoops... meant to quote the post the Gramm post.

[bulletsponge]

a few minutes to go

[molson]

No sign of Barkeep or Farrah.

[Swaggs]

Looks like we are going to have gotten played by Gramm after all.

[Grammaticus]

I think molson is Dracula and SnDvls is a wolf, so you are probably right on that part.
That is also a possibility that has me unsure right now.

Right now I feel best about Dodgerschick and Bulletsponge and I think Farrah is likely bad, so I am settling on the Farrah vote.

[Grammaticus]

A three way tie as it stood would just as likely result in a no lynch.

[molson]

Looks like we are going to have gotten played by Gramm after all.

If true, that's the advantage of the multi-way close votes - we get much information than when there's a consensus.

[bulletsponge]

*theme music from Jeopardy starts playing*

[Grammaticus]

dola, it is not worth risking a no lynch as any tie might be able to end up that way.

[bulletsponge]

whats the vote count, i dont know it

[molson]

I think it's Farrah 4, Molson 3, SunDvls 2

[Swaggs]

Time...

[molson]

I hope we're not getting played by the Schimdty/Barkeep role. Schimdty has personal issues and leaves, then Barkeep dissapears 30 minutes before the deadline without voting.

[st.cronin]

voting closed

day and night results coming

[tanglewood]

Well, Gramm's move was interesting. I'm not so sure as to whether a tie would have been preferred or not, but if Gramm has caused us to nail a bad guy I will happily cast aside any reservations.

[tanglewood]

I hope we're not getting played by the Schimdty/Barkeep role. Schimdty has personal issues and leaves, then Barkeep dissapears 30 minutes before the deadline without voting.

I agree that Barkeep no voting was a huge flag. Especially considering at the time he was in the thread (and posting) it was a three-way tie.

[SnDvls]

I hope we're not getting played by the Schimdty/Barkeep role. Schimdty has personal issues and leaves, then Barkeep dissapears 30 minutes before the deadline without voting.

the more and more the day went the more I knew both Molson and I were beign set up. I had to keep my vote on you out of self preservation.

I'm sure just like blade I'll be set up again though.

I just ask this St. C

if I die by lynch let me put the stake through my heart on my own just to spite the others for their error. :)

[st.cronin]

4 - Farrah - molson, Dodgerchick, bulletsponge, Grammaticus
3 - Molson - SnDvls, Swaggs, tanglewood
2 - SnDvls - ChiefRum, DaddyTorgo,
1 - bulletsponge - greyroofoo

not voted:

tanglewood
farrah
Barkeep

DAY RESULTS

Farrah is dragged to the staking ground ... "what is this staking ground?" are her last words, as the stake is driven into her heart. Like the others before her, she dies as a human. A search of her home reveals no clues. She was merely an ordinary villager.

I'm going to hold off temporarily on night results, although I have all actions. Shouldn't be too long.

[bulletsponge]

where did barkeep go, he was just on bout an hour ago

[Swaggs]

Well, Gramm's move was interesting. I'm not so sure as to whether a tie would have been preferred or not, but if Gramm has caused us to nail a bad guy I will happily cast aside any reservations.

I'm with you there. Gramm is either going to come out real good or real bad today.

[bulletsponge]

the more and more the day went the more I knew both Molson and I were beign set up. I had to keep my vote on you out of self preservation.

I'm sure just like blade I'll be set up again though.

I just ask this St. C

if I die by lynch let me put the stake through my heart on my own just to spite the others for their error. :)

in a setup, isnt one of yall suposed to die?

[Lorena]

Oh my fucking God!!

I'm so sorry Farrah :(

[Greyroofoo]

where did barkeep go, he was just on bout an hour ago

probably to rest in his wolf hide-out

[Swaggs]

Well, if I die tonight, remember my list of top three suspects:
1.) molson
2.) SnDvls
3.) bulletsponge

(and the rapidly rising Gramm)

All of today's voting supports my theories from the past day.

[bulletsponge]

i guess all redheads arnt evil

[tanglewood]

4 - Farrah - molson, Dodgerchick, bulletsponge, Grammaticus
3 - Molson - SnDvls, Swaggs, tanglewood
2 - SnDvls - ChiefRum, DaddyTorgo,
1 - bulletsponge - greyroofoo

not voted:

tanglewood
farrah
Barkeep


Cronin, you've got me down as both voting for Molson and as not voting, have you added it up properly?

[bulletsponge]

did you vote?

[Greyroofoo]

Cronin, you've got me down as both voting for Molson and as not voting, have you added it up properly?

special ability?

[st.cronin]

Cronin, you've got me down as both voting for Molson and as not voting, have you added it up properly?

Sorry, your vote was counted properly - you should have not been listed as a non-vote. My mistake.

[SnDvls]

WOLF!!!!

j/k :)

[molson]

So with 10 left, the next vote would be the end of the game if villager's can't get a wolf/vampire, and there's 3 wolves.

[Swaggs]

I count twelve left...

[st.cronin]

You awake at dawn, and gather for a headcount. One of you is missing - greyroofoo! You dash off to his house, and it is quite the gruesome sight. There is blood and fur and flesh everywhere. There is also a COFFIN where his bed should be. What happened here? You exchange puzzled looks.

DAY 6 HAS BEGUN - DEADLINE MONDAY 8:30pm EASTERN TIME

[Swaggs]

will be 11 after tonight...

[Swaggs]

wow... there's a stroke of luck.

Looks like he was Dracula, after all.

My apologies, molson. ;)

[Greyroofoo]

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!

KILLED BY MY OWN ALLIES!!!!!!

Anyways good game all :)

[bulletsponge]

haha! i knew you were way too low profile! damn and i picked Farrah over you, you blood sucking leach!

[SnDvls]

in a setup, isnt one of yall suposed to die?

that is the final outcome yes

If molson dies..guess who will take the fall...me

if barkeep is still alive after the night actions I will know he is a wolf

why would a wolf keep a strong vet like him around? it just doesn't make sense or add up.

[molson]

I'm still counting 10 left -

Swaggs
tanglewood
Chief Rum
Bulletsponge
molson
sndvls
Barkeep
dodgerchick
daddytorgo
grammaticus

[SnDvls]

vote barkeep

you tried hard to push the vote on me.
you got a free pass as schmidty's replacement, but not anymore.

[Swaggs]

I'm still counting 10 left -

Swaggs
tanglewood
Chief Rum
Bulletsponge
molson
sndvls
Barkeep
dodgerchick
daddytorgo
grammaticus

I think you are right. I was going off the last vote list and counted tanglewood twice, even though we just talked about him being on there twice. :)

[Lorena]

vote barkeep

you tried hard to push the vote on me.
you got a free pass as schmidty's replacement, but not anymore.

I'm gonna agree with you SnDvls.

I saw Schmidty on a few minutes ago and now he's gone which seems very odd.

Not sure who posted it, but there's something about the Schmidty/Barkeep role that has me confused.

VOTE BARKEEP

[Swaggs]

Vote SnDvls

I still think he threw a vote away the other day when it was clear it would be a runaway and the "if you were a mason..." game was fishy.

Molson gets a break from me today.

[SnDvls]

Anxiety posted it just before he was offed.

he wondered how so many "vet" players could be fooled by the set up on Blade....right after he posted it and bolded Barkeeps name he was killed that night.

2+2 guys

[SnDvls]

dola - vets don't make those mistakes

[SnDvls]

Vote SnDvls

I still think he threw a vote away the other day when it was clear it would be a runaway and the "if you were a mason..." game was fishy.

Molson gets a break from me today.

funny cause I know you're wolf #2 w/ barkeep

you made the same mistakes...you could have moved your vote today, but knew that no one on the block was a wolf so you stayed put. you list your top 3 ...in order 1) molson, 2) SnDlvs 3) Gram

and vote me...that's okay once your wolf buddy BK is gone you are next.

[Swaggs]

funny cause I know you're wolf #2 w/ barkeep

you made the same mistakes...you could have moved your vote today, but knew that no one on the block was a wolf so you stayed put. you list your top 3 ...in order 1) molson, 2) SnDlvs 3) Gram

and vote me...that's okay once your wolf buddy BK is gone you are next.

Explain who I could have moved my vote to?

After Gramm changed over to Farrah, she lead 4 to 3 over molson. My vote was already with molson, so where should i have switched to?

[Swaggs]

Also, my top three has been:
1) molson
2) SnDvls
3) bulletsponge

I have posted that several times throughout the past few days. But no need to let facts get in the way...

[molson]

Vote SnDvls

[Lorena]

To further solidify my vote on the barkeep/Schmidty vote, notice Schmidty's last activity was today at 12:10pm, but his last post was sometime today at 2 something am.

Was he on to pm his kill? cronin's post about the night kill was at 12:24 pm.

[Lorena]

dola,

take a look at schmidty's profile

[Swaggs]

Let me just put this out there. I have no idea whether or not Barkeep is good or bad, but I lean on the side of thinking that he is not a wolf because he has made logical (to me) analysis throughout his time in the game AND, it would seem to me that, if Schmidty was a wolf, he would have been more active early on or given his role up. Nothing concrete there, but just my thoughts.

If SnDvls thinks I am a wolf, I would like to see a vote between me and him. If I lose, I will die a villager and you will have a clear trail on who the wolves are.

[st.cronin]

Schmidty is no longer in the game.

[Lorena]

Here's another reason:

where did barkeep go, he was just on bout an hour ago

So barkeep was on an hour ago and didn't vote?

I apologize for the excessive posts, but as I see more clues I have an urge to post them.

[Lorena]

Schmidty is no longer in the game.

Yeah, I know. This is my first experience in this kind of game and don't know what can and can't be done. I'm Not sure if 2 people can play 1 role, but it's something I wanted to throw out there in case it can be done.

[DaddyTorgo]

moving onto farrah right at the deadline to break the tie makes Gram. look real bad now too. let's not forget that guys

[Barkeep49]

The internet at the workpalce I was at went kaput. I was on and then off with no way of being on.

And the whole Blade thing? Wasn't a matter of being fooled. It was a matter of doing what was right. Because even if, for instnace, I had gone the other way, no matter what happens to molson, Blade is a lingering doubt. There was just too much against him. Playing hindsight is a crappy game. Where were you at the time arguing that I was being tricked? Swaggs was doing it. So was Lathum. But where were you picking that up? If, and only if, Molson comes up as Dr. R, would I say lynching Blade was the wrong thing. Otherwise we would have lost two days instead of one.

[DaddyTorgo]

so are you leading towards molson or SnDvls at this point barkeep?

cuz i'm just about ready to put down a vote on SnDvls, although I think they're both likely evil...

[Barkeep49]

so are you leading towards molson or SnDvls at this point barkeep?

cuz i'm just about ready to put down a vote on SnDvls, although I think they're both likely evil...
Well I'm leaning towards SnDvls if only because of how violently, and out of the blue, he's come out against me. I was planning on building a stronger case against him before I voted, by doing a post summary. If something doesn't strike me when I do that, then I will likely look at molson.

[Swaggs]

Let's please work on a consensus towards molson or SnDvls, but not split things again. It was pretty bad watching Gramm change his vote at the last minute and not being able to do anything to even things out.

[DaddyTorgo]

Let's please work on a consensus towards molson or SnDvls, but not split things again. It was pretty bad watching Gramm change his vote at the last minute and not being able to do anything to even things out.

i agree that a consensus has got to be the way to go. as i stated earlier too, let's not forget that gram's vote changed at the very end there, and he has so far escaped any intense scrutiny, he ought to be on our list too, although we're running out of time if we don't hit someone tonight between SnDvls and molson.

[Barkeep49]

i agree that a consensus has got to be the way to go. as i stated earlier too, let's not forget that gram's vote changed at the very end there, and he has so far escaped any intense scrutiny, he ought to be on our list too, although we're running out of time if we don't hit someone tonight between SnDvls and molson.
I agree we need to get this one right, because we could be at a 6-4 situation, but I don't think demanding consensus is necessarily going to get it for us.

[DaddyTorgo]

I agree we need to get this one right, because we could be at a 6-4 situation, but I don't think demanding consensus is necessarily going to get it for us.

i didn't really think i was "demanding" as much as i was just...agreeing with swags.

[Barkeep49]

i didn't really think i was "demanding" as much as i was just...agreeing with swags.
That was perhaps too strong of a word.

[bulletsponge]

wow next lynch time is monday night. so we got some time to ponder

[Lorena]

Unvote Barkeep

Looks like it'll be a tossup between Sndvls and molson, I won't be as eager to vote as I was very wrong about Farrah.

[Chief Rum]

Farrah wasn't my pick, so I don't know if I can say I am "satisfied" that the one I targeted didn't go down a villager (yet, anyway). I didn't have a real feeling for what Farrah was--she seemed just like a newb like me, although she did playt he role abit too strong at times.

I voted for Sndvls the last time, and I don't see a reason to change it--but I could be swayed. molson and SnDvls have had a suspicious moment or two. Gram changing his vote the way he did (especially switching twice; what was that about?) combines with his early game aggressiveness in attacking another villager (Lathum, I think?) to make him suspicious to me.

But I am beginning to wonder about Barkeep. I understand his excuse, but I don't recall there being a requirement to tell the truth here. Perhaps he didn't vote because he's Dr. R. and he knew Farrah was a villager? Does that then mean molson is a wolf, because he would have been the guy to get the vote to force another tie?

I am trying to remember why we all think Barkeep (and Schmidty) before him was good. It seems like there has been a lot of certainty about that, and I don't recall a single incident to explain that. Barkeep is a veteran player, and it wouldn't surprise me if he were playing a fantastic game, pulling the wool over our eyes.

That said, I am sticking with Sndvls until someone comes up with something more compelling. Swaggs is a vet and knows what he is doing, and I trust he is making good decisions there. So I will follow his lead until someone shows me another way.

VOTE SNDVLS

BTW, anyone else laughing that the wolves killed Dracula? ;)

[Barkeep49]

Chief Rum: You will find that I have never lied about my availability. Also, especially considering how many games I've played, I think you can count the number of votes I've missed on less fingers than Mordecai Brown had.

[Barkeep49]

ON his throwing hand (just to be clear).

[bulletsponge]

i believe you Barkeep

[SnDvls]

the more and more the day went the more I knew both Molson and I were beign set up. I had to keep my vote on you out of self preservation.

I'm sure just like blade I'll be set up again though.

I just ask this St. C

if I die by lynch let me put the stake through my heart on my own just to spite the others for their error. :)


I'll repeat this for St. C

since it looks like the villagers are doomed anyhow
let's end this game now, killing me clinches a loss for the villagers.

unvote barkeep
vote SnDvls

[Grammaticus]

VOTE SNDVLS

[Barkeep49]

I'll repeat this for St. C

since it looks like the villagers are doomed anyhow
let's end this game now, killing me clinches a loss for the villagers.

unvote barkeep
vote SnDvls
I thought we had ended this terrible practice of self voting.

[molson]

I'll repeat this for St. C

since it looks like the villagers are doomed anyhow
let's end this game now, killing me clinches a loss for the villagers.

unvote barkeep
vote SnDvls

Ya, I could tell yesterday you were about to self-destruct.

It's just a game big boy.

[DaddyTorgo]

could sndvls just be trying to draw pity to sway the vote away from him by suiciding...figuring that we will all switch to another innocent?

this idea gives me pause...I will ponder on it as I go get fitted for a tux for my friend's wedding.

and i'd like to thank the wolves for taking out a baddie...surprising to me they havnt gone after swaggs/barkeep though, especially with no hidden roles to protect our guys...could swaggs be leading us all down a path to destruction along with his come-lately wolfy buddy barkeep??

ponder on that.

[Barkeep49]

Most people who've done the stupid self vote have been villagers. However, like offering a year of Hattrick, I thought this was a plague we'd erradicated from WW.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Well that's a bummer. I just realized I missed the vote yesterday, and I'm dead.

See, I told you I didn't know wtf was going on :p

[bulletsponge]

Well that's a bummer. I just realized I missed the vote yesterday, and I'm dead.

See, I told you I didn't know wtf was going on :p


We believe you............................. now

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

We believe you............................. now

LOL! All it took was stake to the heart.... :p

[molson]

Most people who've done the stupid self vote have been villagers. However, like offering a year of Hattrick, I thought this was a plague we'd erradicated from WW.

Ya, as annoying at the Sndvls thing is, it is giving me second thoughts about role. Earlier, I made a comment about how the WWs were likely someone we weren't talking about, and I used him name as example - he jumped all over me. It does seem like odd wolf behavior.

I'm not swithching my vote yet, but I'm going to take a closer look at Gram.

[Abe Sargent]

Last self vote was Qwikshot in the Sith/Jedi WW game months ago.

[molson]

Also, despite what Sundvls said, the villagers actually have a little breathing room now, with dracula dead, and still no masons dead. So with three wolves, we're 7-3, though I still think there's a chance there's only 2 wolves, based on the imbalance in special roles between the sides.

[Abe Sargent]

Unless you count Fouts in the Necro game, but he had a reason to do so

[Swaggs]

could swaggs be leading us all down a path to destruction along with his come-lately wolfy buddy barkeep??

It is entirely possible that I am leading you down the wrong path, but I'm trying my best with the information given.

The one thing that I can assure you is that I do not have any wolf buddies. or mason buddies.

[Barkeep49]

Last self vote was Qwikshot in the Sith/Jedi WW game months ago.
Yeah that was back in February or March, which is why I thought it was a relic. I do believe that was the second or third one in that game and came on the heels of several other games with self votes.

molson: It could easily be 6-4 right now. 7-3 is also a possibility but if it's 6-4 and we lynch wrong, they could win the game with a successful night kill.

[Barkeep49]

It is entirely possible that I am leading you down the wrong path, but I'm trying my best with the information given.

The one thing that I can assure you is that I do not have any wolf buddies. or mason buddies.
Ok so this gives me an idea. If we feel that it would be worth while to figure out who the masons are, what if we each said we weren't a mason? By my figuring the people who say nothing are either masons or wolves.

[Barkeep49]

Yeah that was back in February or March, which is why I thought it was a relic. I do believe that was the second or third one in that game and came on the heels of several other games with self votes.

molson: It could easily be 6-4 right now. 7-3 is also a possibility but if it's 6-4 and we lynch wrong, they could win the game with a successful night kill.
Corretion: While there might be 4 bad guys left you're right that it's likely 7-3 as Dr. R counts as a human. So we do have some breathing room.

[Swaggs]

Ok so this gives me an idea. If we feel that it would be worth while to figure out who the masons are, what if we each said we weren't a mason? By my figuring the people who say nothing are either masons or wolves.

I'm still not on board with this idea.

If we decide to do this, the masons themselves really can't do anything about it, I guess., so they really don't get any input into the decision. I have no idea what their numbers are, but since we have no other apparent special skills in our favor, I am hopeful that they began with at least an equal number to the wolves.

I guess I'm just not sure it is worth the exposure, but I am willing to listen to the pros and cons.

[Swaggs]

Just thought of this, but it also gives Reimann a better chance to correctly identify the wolves through his testing, potentially giving the wolves another voting ally.

[Barkeep49]

I'm ok with giving the wolves a better shot. Let's say there are 4 bad guys. That makes 6 good guys. If we can identify the 2 masons that means we have a 50/50 shot of finding a bad guy. That is a 25% improvement over our current chance.

[Greyroofoo]

Well that's a bummer. I just realized I missed the vote yesterday, and I'm dead.

See, I told you I didn't know wtf was going on :p

I can sympathize, I know what it's like to be killed by allies :p

[Barkeep49]

I can sympathize, I know what it's like to be killed by allies :p
I'm really surprised that the bad guys killed you. I thought you had raised huge red flags with your strange last minute voting and would have been an "easy" lynch for today.

[bulletsponge]

more is happening today than i expected.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm really surprised that the bad guys killed you. I thought you had raised huge red flags with your strange last minute voting and would have been an "easy" lynch for today.

i'm really surprised the badguys havn't killed you or swaggs barkeep...:eek:

[bulletsponge]

I can sympathize, I know what it's like to be killed by allies :p


Hmmm you got a stake thru the heart, now lets put on thru your mouth so you stay quiet :p

[Barkeep49]

i'm really surprised the badguys havn't killed you or swaggs barkeep...:eek:
Honestly? I'm quite surprised I'm not dead yet too.

[bulletsponge]

who did you replace again Barkeep?

[Barkeep49]

who did you replace again Barkeep?
Schmidty.

[bulletsponge]

ahh yea i remember now, sick wife. hope shes better

[Swaggs]

ahh yea i remember now, sick wife. hope shes better

That was me.

I think Schmidty had missed a few votes and just felt bad, so he stepped back for this game.

[Barkeep49]

Schmidty didn't like all of you so he stepped away, frustrated with himself over missing a couple votes, and instead had me come in.

[Abe Sargent]

??? Schmidty didn't like us?

[Swaggs]

??? Schmidty didn't like us?

Just you, I think...

[Swaggs]

Just kidding, by the way. ;)

I think he just felt bad b/c he had missed some votes and hadn't contributed, so he pulled out.

[Barkeep49]

??? Schmidty didn't like us?
Only explanation I can come up with for why he'd inflict me upon you nice folk.

[molson]

I just re-read a lot of the game, and have come to the conclusion that everyone is suspicious.

Swaggs, tanglewood, Bulletsponge - if any of these guys are wolves, they've done a damn good job of generally averting suspicion. If I were a wolf, I'd play a lot like these guys. Stay out of controversy, post consistently, make a lot of general "observational" posts, ask questions about the game, only accuse those who have some momentum building against them. We were critized in lynching Blade basically because there was "too much evidence" against him. If it instead lack of evidence that suggests guilt, these three look suspicious. I think at least one of them is a wolf, but how do you distinguish them?

Chief Rum - Blade seemed sure about him. I don't know much else, except that Blade was right about the people he trusted. (with Schmidty/Barkeep still up in the air).

sndvls - if it weren't for his tantrums the last 2 days I'd have a lot of confidence about sndvls. Voting for himself was lame, but you'd imagine a wolf would put up some kind of fight. You're really throwing your fellow wolves under the bus by doing this so far in advance of the deadline. I can maybe see acting like that if you're on your own, but this isn't fair to other wolves, depriving them of even a chance to subtly turn things around.

Barkeep/Schmidty - Schmidty was busy, but he wasn't hospital/family problems kind of busy. I still think if he was a wolf, he would have stayed around.

dodgerchick- If she's a wolf, she's playing the role brillantly. She's not getting the suspicion Farrah got, and I'm not totally sure why.

daddytorgo - He had a couple of very subtle suspcious moments when I look back. Had some deadline vote switches. He also points out his newness and confusion in almost every other post (even though he seems to have gotten the hang of things quickly).

grammaticus - it's pretty amazing he's still alive. He's had more than one deadline vote switch that has killed villagers. Lathum had a good analysis of gram's day 2 voting in post 744. His early activity was risky, but he would know that being quiet would make him look likewise suspicious, and by talking, he at least could throw out some bad theories.

[DaddyTorgo]

you left yourself out molson.

and i know i'm innocent. it did take me awhile to get the hang of anything about this game (explaining the day 1 and day 2 vote switches), and I still feel like I'm mostly lost.

[Chief Rum]

daddytorgo - He had a couple of very subtle suspcious moments when I look back. Had some deadline vote switches. He also points out his newness and confusion in almost every other post (even though he seems to have gotten the hang of things quickly).


and i know i'm innocent. it did take me awhile to get the hang of anything about this game (explaining the day 1 and day 2 vote switches), and I still feel like I'm mostly lost.


lol

[Lorena]

I just re-read a lot of the game, and have come to the conclusion that everyone is suspicious.

lol, that's why I've become addicted. It seems like everyone has at one point or another become a suspect. I'm totally guilty of looking WAAAAY too hard at posts and attempting to figure out their true meaning.


dodgerchick- If she's a wolf, she's playing the role brillantly. She's not getting the suspicion Farrah got, and I'm not totally sure why.

I assure you I am no wolf. The only thing I'm guilty of is making a fool of myself with my multiple idiotic accusations.

[Chief Rum]

Well, I am checking out until post-vote. Like last Monday (pretty much every Monday and Tuesday, actually), I work both jobs tomorrow and won't have FOFC access until late tomorrow. So don't be shocked at my lack of posting. ;)

My vote for Sndvls is already posted, and I am allowing it to stand.

Good luck to us all tomorrow--may a wolf be at the end of the stake for once.

[bulletsponge]

I just re-read a lot of the game, and have come to the conclusion that everyone is suspicious.

Swaggs, tanglewood, Bulletsponge - if any of these guys are wolves, they've done a damn good job of generally averting suspicion. If I were a wolf, I'd play a lot like these guys. Stay out of controversy, post consistently, make a lot of general "observational" posts, ask questions about the game, only accuse those who have some momentum building against them. We were critized in lynching Blade basically because there was "too much evidence" against him. If it instead lack of evidence that suggests guilt, these three look suspicious. I think at least one of them is a wolf, but how do you distinguish them?

Chief Rum - Blade seemed sure about him. I don't know much else, except that Blade was right about the people he trusted. (with Schmidty/Barkeep still up in the air).

sndvls - if it weren't for his tantrums the last 2 days I'd have a lot of confidence about sndvls. Voting for himself was lame, but you'd imagine a wolf would put up some kind of fight. You're really throwing your fellow wolves under the bus by doing this so far in advance of the deadline. I can maybe see acting like that if you're on your own, but this isn't fair to other wolves, depriving them of even a chance to subtly turn things around.

Barkeep/Schmidty - Schmidty was busy, but he wasn't hospital/family problems kind of busy. I still think if he was a wolf, he would have stayed around.

dodgerchick- If she's a wolf, she's playing the role brillantly. She's not getting the suspicion Farrah got, and I'm not totally sure why.

daddytorgo - He had a couple of very subtle suspcious moments when I look back. Had some deadline vote switches. He also points out his newness and confusion in almost every other post (even though he seems to have gotten the hang of things quickly).

grammaticus - it's pretty amazing he's still alive. He's had more than one deadline vote switch that has killed villagers. Lathum had a good analysis of gram's day 2 voting in post 744. His early activity was risky, but he would know that being quiet would make him look likewise suspicious, and by talking, he at least could throw out some bad theories.

Someone do a Molson report ;)

[st.cronin]

AlanT will be handling today's write-up. Night actions will still be sent to me, and I should have those results posted before dawn.

[Grammaticus]

I just keep getting mixed feelings about SnDvls. At one point it feels right based on Swaggs theory of him being left alone after the Blade vote and his "what if" theory, the next I think he is okay. His avoiding Blade two nights in a row is making him look better than many of us, though. Don't feel a SnDvl vote is right.

I think my initial vote on him today was knee jerk based on his self vote, which I don't think is good for villagers. So, if you are a villager, don't do it. It could also be him just getting prepared for a close vote between him and someone else. You know at the last minute, he unvotes himself and votes the other candidate, gaining two votes in his favor. Either way it is not a piece of evidence he is a wolf.

UNVOTE SNDVLS

[Grammaticus]

VOTE MOLSON

He is my longest running suspect and is listed on most peoples suspect list. Not to mention, he was on all of the dead villager's suspect lists.

[st.cronin]

Current vote:


4 - SnDvls - Swaggs, molson, ChiefRum, SnDvls
1 - molson - Grammaticus

[Swaggs]

Gramm is rapidly climbing my list with the vote changing.

[Grammaticus]

Gramm is rapidly climbing my list with the vote changing.
Okay, which vote changes and what about them cause a rapid climb up your list?

[Swaggs]

Okay, which vote changes and what about them cause a rapid climb up your list?

How many times have you changed your votes?

[molson]

This is probably risky from a self-preservation standpoint to take a vote away from the leader, but I really think SNDVLS is the wrong direction.

Gram's voting has been been pretty blatantly suspicious. And I can see him taking away a vote from a villager leading the vote standings as a way to clean that up the voting record a bit. He might figure he'll look better if Sndvls is lynched a villager.

UNVOTE SNDVLS

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[molson]

Dola for bold

UNVOTE SNDVLS

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[Swaggs]

This is going like I hoped it wouldn't.

We now have three players with votes. Perfect for splitting things up and then coming in at the last minute and swinging the vote to preserve the wolf on the line.

[bulletsponge]

ok im goina vote now.

Tangle is too low key. now he could ba another Farrah and be a villager, or be like Greyroofoo and a wolf. but forget that, i havnt guessed right yet. but how Swaggs isnt getting more attention is beyond me, so

Vote Swaggs

besides he doesnt like me, and the feelings mutual

[st.cronin]

This is going like I hoped it wouldn't.

We now have three players with votes. Perfect for splitting things up and then coming in at the last minute and swinging the vote to preserve the wolf on the line.

Actually, I show the voting to be:

3 - SnDvls - Swaggs, ChiefRum, SnDvls
1 - molson - Grammaticus
1 - Grammaticus - molson
1 - Swaggs - bulletsponge

not voted: Dodgerchick, tanglewood, Daddytorgo, Barkeep

[bulletsponge]

Actually, I show the voting to be:

3 - SnDvls - Swaggs, ChiefRum, SnDvls
1 - molson - Grammaticus
1 - Grammaticus - molson
1 - Swaggs - bulletsponge

not voted: Dodgerchick, tanglewood, Daddytorgo, Barkeep


aww crap, i forgot about Barkeep! ahh well, ill stick with Swaggs for now

[molson]

This is going like I hoped it wouldn't.

We now have three players with votes. Perfect for splitting things up and then coming in at the last minute and swinging the vote to preserve the wolf on the line.

Interesting that Sndvls, who you're voting for (Last minute vote swinging), has never been accused of the strategy you describe, while Gram has.

[molson]

I'm a mess without editing - I meant that last minute vote swinging is the strategy you've described, I didn't mean to imply you're doing it here - parenthetical's in the wrong place.

[Grammaticus]

How many times have you changed your votes?
If you really want to know

Number of days people have switched votes:

3 Molson on day one, two and three
3 Grammaticus on day one, five and six
3 DodgerChick on day three, five and six
2 SnDvls on day one and six
2 DaddyTorgo on day two and three
1 Tanglewood on day one
1 Bulletsponge on day three
0 Barkeep/Schmidty
0 Swaggs
0 Chief Rum

[bulletsponge]

If you really want to know

Number of days people have switched votes:

3 Molson on day one, two and three
3 Grammaticus on day one, five and six
3 DodgerChick on day three, five and six
2 SnDvls on day one and six
2 DaddyTorgo on day two and three
1 Tanglewood on day one
1 Bulletsponge on day three
0 Barkeep/Schmidty
0 Swaggs
0 Chief Rum


wow, isnt a wolf trait to change votes late to ensure victory? is SnDvls setting us up by keeping it close then at the last second changing his vote to a tie or to give someone else the lead

[Grammaticus]

If you really want to know

Number of days people have switched votes:

3 Molson on day one, two and three
3 Grammaticus on day one, five and six
3 DodgerChick on day three, five and six
2 SnDvls on day one and six
2 DaddyTorgo on day two and three
1 Tanglewood on day one
1 Bulletsponge on day three
0 Barkeep/Schmidty
0 Swaggs
0 Chief Rum
Actually, Molson has also changed votes on day six. So, the corrected totals are:

Number of days people have switched votes:

4 Molson on day one, two, three and six
3 Grammaticus on day one, five and six
3 DodgerChick on day three, five and six
2 SnDvls on day one and six
2 DaddyTorgo on day two and three
1 Tanglewood on day one
1 Bulletsponge on day three
0 Barkeep/Schmidty
0 Swaggs
0 Chief Rum

[bulletsponge]

hmm either molson is wishy-washy, or hes a flee bitten varmit

[tanglewood]

Sorry I haven't been more active over the weekend guys, I've been busy with a few things as the new university year is throttling ever closer. Anyway..

Vote Grammaticus

I thought he was acting a bit fishy on the first few days, but after he caught flak for it he seemed to pull back slightly and let others take the lead. Adding those intial suspicions with his late vote switch last night I think he is the most suspect candidate we have avaliable at the moment.

[Grammaticus]

I really think Molson is our best bet. Molson is the closest thing to being on everyone's suspicious list. I'm concerned over his vote yesterday. He spoke about how suspicious he was of Sndvls, then once somebody else brought up Farrah as a suspect, he laid a vote on her. Prior he did not express much of a suspicion in her. Does not add up.

For the day 5 vote, I think he left his vote on Farrah because SnDvls vote was already on him in the tie situation. Meaning SnDvl could not move his vote onto Molson for a plus one, but Molson could move his vote off Farrah onto SnDvl causing a plus one shift and breaking a tie between himself and SnDvl. Next scenario, what if BK voted Molson. Well, Tanglewood was comfortable leaving his vote on Molson to create a three way tie, because Barkeep said he would likely vote for SnDvl and then again if BK voted Molson instead, Molson could just move off Farrah and onto SnDvls and of course Tangle could always move off Mason if need be to save him as a security blanket, giving them a 2 vote buffer to save Molson if needed.

I see a level of trust for the following:

Barkeep/Schmidty - from the original COT. Everyone has been good so far, Barkeep and myself are left.
BulletSponge/DodgersChick - Neither feels like a wolf and feels right from a new player perspective. If they were wolves, I think they would be quite. If one is a wolf, there is no evidence and they would be the least experienced. i.e. game savvy.

Behavior Level of Trust
Swaggs - Analysis seems to be well thought out, questions Molsons vote on Farrah out of the blue, asking why he switched from SnDvls on a "gut" instinct. Points out how bad it was on the day 5 vote, because we were all over the place. He ended up being correct, because Farrah ended up getting lynched instead of SnDvls or Molson.
SnDvl - Moved to support Blade. Several confirmed good guys seemed to think he was okay. Anxiety has Path and SnDvls on his slightly trusted list for not going after Blade and it looks like that was a good call.


Finger Of Suspicion
Molson - as stated - everyone has been suspicious of him. Pushes to out Masons = bad for villager, pushes to paint the COT as a bad thing and it looks like the COT was on target. Then makes a post today saying everyone is suspicious again spreading general uncertainty and supporting multiple theory's in order to keep people divided. SnDvls theory of Barkeep, SnDvl, Torgo, Swaggs and me having Molson listed as a baddie greatly decreasing his likelihood of being a Mason a good reason to look at him. Molson votes the same as Tanglewood on days 1, 2, 3 and 4. Then they don't vote together on day 5 after I post the fact they have voted in unison every day. To top that off the wolves take a pass on killing them as potential Masons voting together. Why, because one or both are wolves and not Masons voting together.

Tanglewood - Seems to be linked to Molson in early vote play, Path thought both Molson and Tangle suspicious. Tangle tried to discredit theories of Blade, Path and Anxiety by saying they were just normal people with nothing to go on. Tangle generally supported any theory that did not point the Finger of suspicion at himself, generally keeping multiple theories going to keep the confusion level up.
Chief Rum - Avoiding voting day one, says he did not have any analysis but came out strong at Blade

Not sure how to lean regarding DaddyTorgo


Barkeep, Swaggs and SnDvl, I am curious to know what you think of this.

[Grammaticus]

Sorry I haven't been more active over the weekend guys, I've been busy with a few things as the new university year is throttling ever closer. Anyway..

Vote Grammaticus

I thought he was acting a bit fishy on the first few days, but after he caught flak for it he seemed to pull back slightly and let others take the lead. Adding those intial suspicions with his late vote switch last night I think he is the most suspect candidate we have avaliable at the moment.
Is that the best analysis you have? Acting fishy without explaining the fishy behavior? What is it that makes you think I'm a wolf?

[Grammaticus]

This is probably risky from a self-preservation standpoint to take a vote away from the leader, but I really think SNDVLS is the wrong direction.

Gram's voting has been been pretty blatantly suspicious. And I can see him taking away a vote from a villager leading the vote standings as a way to clean that up the voting record a bit. He might figure he'll look better if Sndvls is lynched a villager.

UNVOTE SNDVLS

VOTE GRAMMATICUS
Can you point out the suspicious behavior?

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm innocent Gram. Just a humble villager tending to my cofee bar in the village. But based on your excellent analysis of the situation in that post right there

VOTE MOLSON

with the caveat that i should be on around lynch-time and if movement is needed to avoid wolf-ish fixing of the vote I will be available to switch the vote (preferably to tangle, but to whoever if the wolves try to save molson)

[DaddyTorgo]

goddamm i misspelled coffee. that's what i get for not having enough yet today.

[st.cronin]

3 - SnDvls - Swaggs, ChiefRum, SnDvls
2 - molson - Grammaticus, DaddyTorgo
2 - Grammaticus - molson, tanglewood
1 - Swaggs - bulletsponge

not voted:
Dodgerchick
Barkeep

[Grammaticus]

I really think Molson is our best bet. Molson is the closest thing to being on everyone's suspicious list. I'm concerned over his vote yesterday. He spoke about how suspicious he was of Sndvls, then once somebody else brought up Farrah as a suspect, he laid a vote on her. Prior he did not express much of a suspicion in her. Does not add up.

For the day 5 vote, I think he left his vote on Farrah because SnDvls vote was already on him in the tie situation. Meaning SnDvl could not move his vote onto Molson for a plus one, but Molson could move his vote off Farrah onto SnDvl causing a plus one shift and breaking a tie between himself and SnDvl. Next scenario, what if BK voted Molson. Well, Tanglewood was comfortable leaving his vote on Molson to create a three way tie, because Barkeep said he would likely vote for SnDvl and then again if BK voted Molson instead, Molson could just move off Farrah and onto SnDvls and of course Tangle could always move off Mason if need be to save him as a security blanket, giving them a 2 vote buffer to save Molson if needed.

I see a level of trust for the following:

Barkeep/Schmidty - from the original COT. Everyone has been good so far, Barkeep and myself are left.
BulletSponge/DodgersChick - Neither feels like a wolf and feels right from a new player perspective. If they were wolves, I think they would be quite. If one is a wolf, there is no evidence and they would be the least experienced. i.e. game savvy.

Behavior Level of Trust
Swaggs - Analysis seems to be well thought out, questions Molsons vote on Farrah out of the blue, asking why he switched from SnDvls on a "gut" instinct. Points out how bad it was on the day 5 vote, because we were all over the place. He ended up being correct, because Farrah ended up getting lynched instead of SnDvls or Molson.
SnDvl - Moved to support Blade. Several confirmed good guys seemed to think he was okay. Anxiety has Path and SnDvls on his slightly trusted list for not going after Blade and it looks like that was a good call.


Finger Of Suspicion
Molson - as stated - everyone has been suspicious of him. Pushes to out Masons = bad for villager, pushes to paint the COT as a bad thing and it looks like the COT was on target. Then makes a post today saying everyone is suspicious again spreading general uncertainty and supporting multiple theory's in order to keep people divided. SnDvls theory of Barkeep, SnDvl, Torgo, Swaggs and me having Molson listed as a baddie greatly decreasing his likelihood of being a Mason a good reason to look at him. Molson votes the same as Tanglewood on days 1, 2, 3 and 4. Then they don't vote together on day 5 after I post the fact they have voted in unison every day. To top that off the wolves take a pass on killing them as potential Masons voting together. Why, because one or both are wolves and not Masons voting together.

Tanglewood - Seems to be linked to Molson in early vote play, Path thought both Molson and Tangle suspicious. Tangle tried to discredit theories of Blade, Path and Anxiety by saying they were just normal people with nothing to go on. Tangle generally supported any theory that did not point the Finger of suspicion at himself, generally keeping multiple theories going to keep the confusion level up.
Chief Rum - Avoiding voting day one, says he did not have any analysis but came out strong at Blade

Not sure how to lean regarding DaddyTorgo


Barkeep, Swaggs and SnDvl, I am curious to know what you think of this.
For a visual, here is the lay of the land on the day FIVE vote at the 3 way tie:

Molson – SnDvl, Swaggs, Tanglewood
Farrah – Molson, DogerC, Bullet
SnDvl - CR, DaddyT, Gramm

That leaves a three way tie. Tangle cast the last vote making it a three way. This gives Molson the best chance of survival. Just prior to Tanglewood placing his vote. Barkeep had said he would likely vote for SnDvl. Tangle is hoping he follows through. As you can see SnDvl can do nothing to affect things in that move.

Also, if Barkeep goes with Molson anyway, then Molson can move off Farrah and onto SnDvle re-tie, then Tangle can move off Molson for the save.

[DaddyTorgo]

For a visual, here is the lay of the land on the day FIVE vote at the 3 way tie:

Molson – SnDvl, Swaggs, Tanglewood
Farrah – Molson, DogerC, Bullet
SnDvl - CR, DaddyT, Gramm

That leaves a three way tie. Tangle cast the last vote making it a three way. This gives Molson the best chance of survival. Just prior to Tanglewood placing his vote. Barkeep had said he would likely vote for SnDvl. Tangle is hoping he follows through. As you can see SnDvl can do nothing to affect things in that move.

Also, if Barkeep goes with Molson anyway, then Molson can move off Farrah and onto SnDvle re-tie, then Tangle can move off Molson for the save.

i'm slightly confused there Gram. What conclusion are you drawing from that? That Molson is evil and Tangle likely so? If so, I agree.

[Grammaticus]

i'm slightly confused there Gram. What conclusion are you drawing from that? That Molson is evil and Tangle likely so? If so, I agree.
Yes, in the above post I'm pointing out why I feel they are bad. Then showing in the day 5 vote why Molson and Tangle voted the way they did when the heat was likely going to be on molson.

It also shows why Molson wants a tie so late in the game. He wants to be able to keep within movement of his bloc to save him.

[Grammaticus]

Yes, in the above post I'm pointing out why I feel they are bad. Then showing in the day 5 vote why Molson and Tangle voted the way they did when the heat was likely going to be on molson.

It also shows why Molson wants a tie so late in the game. He wants to be able to keep within movement of his bloc to save him.
Dola,

post 1713 explains lots of reasons for suspicion.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes, in the above post I'm pointing out why I feel they are bad. Then showing in the day 5 vote why Molson and Tangle voted the way they did when the heat was likely going to be on molson.

It also shows why Molson wants a tie so late in the game. He wants to be able to keep within movement of his bloc to save him.

aaaah. hey...who is there to PM for general WW advice again? I've got an idea that might help...

[DaddyTorgo]

Dola,

post 1713 explains lots of reasons for suspicion.

yep. i read that post. excellent reasons for suspiscion. i'm especially enjoying seeing how things are worded, and what types of like...evidence people look for. that will be invaluable to me in future WW games.

[path12]

aaaah. hey...who is there to PM for general WW advice again? I've got an idea that might help...

you could go ahead and pm me if you'd like.

[Alan T]

aaaah. hey...who is there to PM for general WW advice again? I've got an idea that might help...


Hoops is probably the best bet for general WW advice as he doesnt have any ties to this game currently.

[Grammaticus]

aaaah. hey...who is there to PM for general WW advice again? I've got an idea that might help...
Hoopsguy is a good one to help you out. Saldana offerred also.

[tanglewood]

Okay, I didn't really want to do this today, but it seems like I'm going to have to. Time for a role reveal everybody! :)

I am a seer. Or a seer of sorts anyway. I can view people every night to see if they are good or evil. However, I do not get a view every night due to I'm guessing some kind of odds that St. Cronin rolls a die against or something every night. Also, as I can only see good or bad, I cannot tell whether someone is a mason or a normal villager, as I cannot tell if a bad player is a wolf, dracula or Dr. Reimann. So after that prelude, the essential news. Grammaticus is a badguy.

My views have gone:

Night One: Lathum - Blocked, no view (picked a random vet player)
Night Two: Schmidty/Barkeep - Good guy (conversation at the time re: COT, his PM post etc. wanted to confirm)
Night Three: Fouts - Good guy (was the other guy involved in the lynch vote between Lathum and Blade, of course he died that night so fat lot of use it was)
Night Four: Chief Rum - Blocked, no view (Blade's main suspect, in hindsight after it was revealed Blade was good I agreed with some of his points)
Night Five: Grammaticus - BAD GUY (late vote switch to condemn villager raised eyebrows)

I had hoped that Gramm's suspicious activity on it's own would lead to a lynch so I wouldn't have to reveal, but as the vote is currently split between three I feel I have to come out so we can nail him and at least have a chance at a win. I have a real fear that if we kill a villager today we have lost, and if not we will b e in a very precarious situation tomorrow. Of course, I can only see Good/Bad (I have specifically pressed St. Cronin on this, I cannot differentiate between a wolf, Dracula or the Dr.), so it may well be that Gramm is Dr. Reimann and we kill off a human anyway, but with this evidence, I don't think we can take a chance on not lynching him today.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to fire away. The bottom line is we must lynch Gramm today.

[Grammaticus]

Hoops is probably the best bet for general WW advice as he doesnt have any ties to this game currently.
That is probably good advice.

[DaddyTorgo]

so that would be a hidden role tanglewood? interesting.

[GoldenEagle]

SnDvls voted for himself?

[DaddyTorgo]

Okay, I didn't really want to do this today, but it seems like I'm going to have to. Time for a role reveal everybody! :)

I am a seer. Or a seer of sorts anyway. I can view people every night to see if they are good or evil. However, I do not get a view every night due to I'm guessing some kind of odds that St. Cronin rolls a die against or something every night. Also, as I can only see good or bad, I cannot tell whether someone is a mason or a normal villager, as I cannot tell if a bad player is a wolf, dracula or Dr. Reimann. So after that prelude, the essential news. Grammaticus is a badguy.

My views have gone:

Night One: Lathum - Blocked, no view (picked a random vet player)
Night Two: Schmidty/Barkeep - Good guy (conversation at the time re: COT, his PM post etc. wanted to confirm)
Night Three: Fouts - Good guy (was the other guy involved in the lynch vote between Lathum and Blade, of course he died that night so fat lot of use it was)
Night Four: Chief Rum - Blocked, no view (Blade's main suspect, in hindsight after it was revealed Blade was good I agreed with some of his points)
Night Five: Grammaticus - BAD GUY (late vote switch to condemn villager raised eyebrows)

I had hoped that Gramm's suspicious activity on it's own would lead to a lynch so I wouldn't have to reveal, but as the vote is currently split between three I feel I have to come out so we can nail him and at least have a chance at a win. I have a real fear that if we kill a villager today we have lost, and if not we will b e in a very precarious situation tomorrow. Of course, I can only see Good/Bad (I have specifically pressed St. Cronin on this, I cannot differentiate between a wolf, Dracula or the Dr.), so it may well be that Gramm is Dr. Reimann and we kill off a human anyway, but with this evidence, I don't think we can take a chance on not lynching him today.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to fire away. The bottom line is we must lynch Gramm today.

i've got a question...how many words in your PM? ;) (jk)

[Grammaticus]

Okay, I didn't really want to do this today, but it seems like I'm going to have to. Time for a role reveal everybody! :)

I am a seer. Or a seer of sorts anyway. I can view people every night to see if they are good or evil. However, I do not get a view every night due to I'm guessing some kind of odds that St. Cronin rolls a die against or something every night. Also, as I can only see good or bad, I cannot tell whether someone is a mason or a normal villager, as I cannot tell if a bad player is a wolf, dracula or Dr. Reimann. So after that prelude, the essential news. Grammaticus is a badguy.

My views have gone:

Night One: Lathum - Blocked, no view (picked a random vet player)
Night Two: Schmidty/Barkeep - Good guy (conversation at the time re: COT, his PM post etc. wanted to confirm)
Night Three: Fouts - Good guy (was the other guy involved in the lynch vote between Lathum and Blade, of course he died that night so fat lot of use it was)
Night Four: Chief Rum - Blocked, no view (Blade's main suspect, in hindsight after it was revealed Blade was good I agreed with some of his points)
Night Five: Grammaticus - BAD GUY (late vote switch to condemn villager raised eyebrows)

I had hoped that Gramm's suspicious activity on it's own would lead to a lynch so I wouldn't have to reveal, but as the vote is currently split between three I feel I have to come out so we can nail him and at least have a chance at a win. I have a real fear that if we kill a villager today we have lost, and if not we will b e in a very precarious situation tomorrow. Of course, I can only see Good/Bad (I have specifically pressed St. Cronin on this, I cannot differentiate between a wolf, Dracula or the Dr.), so it may well be that Gramm is Dr. Reimann and we kill off a human anyway, but with this evidence, I don't think we can take a chance on not lynching him today.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to fire away. The bottom line is we must lynch Gramm today.
Fake role reveal, huh? Now I know for a FACT that you are bad. Now the question is, are you Dr. Reiman or are you the Wolf. Molson followed you on day 2, 3, and 4. You followed him on day 1 and 6. Not sure and it may make a difference. Your role reveal may be a ploy to obviously lynch me but also move the lynch to you versus Molson if it the fake reveal is rejected.

Then, why the good reveal on Barkeep? Is he really good or are you setting us up to lynch him when you are uncovered as a liar either by getting lynched or a lynch which revleals my true role in the game?????

[Grammaticus]

i've got a question...how many words in your PM? ;) (jk)
I'd say a few more words after the first four :D

[DaddyTorgo]

Fake role reveal, huh? Now I know for a FACT that you are bad. Now the question is, are you Dr. Reiman or are you the Wolf. Molson followed you on day 2, 3, and 4. You followed him on day 1 and 6. Not sure and it may make a difference. Your role reveal may be a ploy to obviously lynch me but also move the lynch to you versus Molson if it the fake reveal is rejected.

Then, why the good reveal on Barkeep? Is he really good or are you setting us up to lynch him when you are uncovered as a liar either by getting lynched or a lynch which revleals my true role in the game?????

OW. my goddamm head!

[Grammaticus]

SnDvls voted for himself?
Yes and he can move it off and put it on Molson or Tangle. Just which one makes the most sense?

[Barkeep49]

Damn. I was all set to vote for molson after reading through everything when I get to the role reveal. I have decided that despite my disapproval of his tactics I will NOT be voting for SnDvls today. Which means I will vote for either molson or, now, Grammaticus.

[DaddyTorgo]

with all that to think about and the possibility of a late-vote being key

UNVOTE MOLSON

[Grammaticus]

Well Barkeep, now that you are here, what do you think?

[Lorena]

OW. my goddamm head!

*sigh*

Just when I thought I knew who to vote for... my head hurts too :(

[tanglewood]

Fake role reveal, huh? Now I know for a FACT that you are bad. Now the question is, are you Dr. Reiman or are you the Wolf. Molson followed you on day 2, 3, and 4. You followed him on day 1 and 6. Not sure and it may make a difference. Your role reveal may be a ploy to obviously lynch me but also move the lynch to you versus Molson if it the fake reveal is rejected.

Then, why the good reveal on Barkeep? Is he really good or are you setting us up to lynch him when you are uncovered as a liar either by getting lynched or a lynch which revleals my true role in the game?????

Well I have no clue if Molson is bad or not, but if I were to guess I'd say bad. I did vote for him yesterday after all. I didn't notice that he had been voting the same way as me until you pointed it out yesterday (I think) and that was certainly an intruiging oddity. Many times wolves have latched onto good players before and followed them in order to try and gain their trust, and I've never seen a pair of wolves stupid enough to sync their votes together for the first 5 days.

Of course, it all counts for naught as far as I'm concerned today, as you are bad and I'm determined that you will go down today.

[tanglewood]

dola

I mean good as in villager, not good as in skilled, just incase anyone thinks I'm overrating my very mediocre WW talent. :)

[Barkeep49]

Well Barkeep, now that you are here, what do you think?
I'm not honestly sure. I really was ready to vote for molson until this role reveal. I know I'm good. Tangle is saying as much. I don't like that all the other people, except for Grammaticus, are dead. However, as we are in the end game, and should have some numerical safety in that a wrong move today does not end the game (7-3, becomes 5-3) I think we should trust him. If he's lying then we vote Tangle and tomorrow and have a 4-2 game. Still pretty good odds for the good guys.

Vote Grammaticus

[DaddyTorgo]

ok here's a thought

tangle had to know this would cast suspiscion on himself. as a wolf, would he have risked that suspiscion and the risk of a backlash-vote by those who believed it was fake knowing that we were leaning towards molson anyways?

if he is indeed the seer than he only wins as a villager. so if tangle is actually a seer and is the villager he only benefits by telling us the truth.

if he is actually a wolf/reiman then yes he benefits by telling us a lie to try to put us onto a false path...BUT he has to balance that with the knowledge that we may "turn" on him and lynch him, resulting in his death...AND the fact that he either knows molson is guilty and is trying to throw suspiscion off of him...OR knows that Gram is good and if we believe in his seer role than we lose the game.

just laying that all out there...

[Grammaticus]

aaaah. hey...who is there to PM for general WW advice again? I've got an idea that might help...
Make sure you follow through on that PM as you can get some general advice on "role reveals", That should be helpful in determining if you should believe this one or not.

[DaddyTorgo]

Make sure you follow through on that PM as you can get some general advice on "role reveals", That should be helpful in determining if you should believe this one or not.

i followed through

[Barkeep49]

Daddy: Tangle's reveal is meant to save EITHER sndvls or molson, if tangle is indeed bad. I don't think we can rule out either possibility.

Now something I hadn't thought of, until just now, is that Tangle is Reminen. So if we lynch Gramatticus, 6-3, they kill a good guy, 5-3, we lynch Tangle, it becomes 4-3. They do a night kill it becomes 3-3. Suddenly they have won.

[DaddyTorgo]

Daddy: Tangle's reveal is meant to save EITHER sndvls or molson, if tangle is indeed bad. I don't think we can rule out either possibility.

Now something I hadn't thought of, until just now, is that Tangle is Reminen. So if we lynch Gramatticus, 6-3, they kill a good guy, 5-3, we lynch Tangle, it becomes 4-3. They do a night kill it becomes 3-3. Suddenly they have won.

now that would be fucking devious and a great way for reiman to utilize his "i am evil and win with the evil but count as a human" dichotomy.

[Lorena]

if he is actually a wolf/reiman then yes he benefits by telling us a lie to try to put us onto a false path...BUT he has to balance that with the knowledge that we may "turn" on him and lynch him, resulting in his death...AND the fact that he either knows molson is guilty and is trying to throw suspiscion off of him...OR knows that Gram is good and if we believe in his seer role than we lose the game.

just laying that all out there...

I totally agree with the bolded part. I think his role reveal is a plot to get us off of the molson trail. I think he's banking that some people vote for molson and maybe 1 towards him, but that the majority of the votes go towards Gramm.

I see it as a last minute tactic to save molson.

[Grammaticus]

I totally agree with the bolded part. I think his role reveal is a plot to get us off of the molson trail. I think he's banking that some people vote for molson and maybe 1 towards him, but that the majority of the votes go towards Gramm.

I see it as a last minute tactic to save molson.
I tend to think Molson is the wolf and Tangle is Dr. Raimen. Tangle's role reveal is the evil sides ploy to best case lynch me, next best lynch Tangle.

I think we stay on Molson.