Werewolf XLVII City of Wonder (Game Over!)

[Alan T]

Well I'm thrilled that YOU think so ;)

Im just a big fan of a vote being thrown on with no reason after it no longer makes any difference to someone who suddenly had someone else vouching for them. Whether or not I believe Ardent, I'm not entirely sure, but I just got a chuckle out of it :) Sorry!

[Poli]

Unvote LSG
Vote render

[Poli]

ratsola, friggin deadline.

[Lathum]

I am flying to houston in about 4 hours and I really dont know if i will have time to vote tonight at my aunt's house.

from LSG

[Barkeep49]

I have it past deadline.

[RendeR]

Who's got the vote totals...I think LSG still had the edge, but Ardent sorta scared me there with that last second attempt to switch back.

(and barkeep, if its at all important, I would allow him to change his vote, but that's your call. He did get it in 1 minute past deadline, so I can at least see the effort on his part. I don't know if that makes or breaks a tie or what)

[Poli]

:rolleyes: Throw me a friggin bone here.;)

[Barkeep49]

The confidence of yesterday is simply not there as you approach Lonestar. She has a vacant look in her eyes, like she's not there. The crowd quickly overcomes her and the deed is done. Quick. Clean. Simple. Clearly not a wolf.

Vote tally:
(6) Lonestargirl - Alan (405), Render (416), Swaggs (420), ntndeacon (442), ardent (481), saldana (484)
(4) Render - Lathum (431), path (471), render(488), GE (488)
(1) Saldana - Lonestargirl (397)

[Poli]

Nah, don't worry about it render. Rules are rulz.

[Alan T]

This is what I have:


(6) Lonestargirl - Alan (405), Render (416), Swaggs (420), ntndeacon (442), Ardent (481), Saldana (484)
(3) Render - Lathum (431), Path (471), Goldeneagle (488)
(1) Saldana - Lonestargirl (397)

[Poli]

:(

[Lathum]

well no matter the outcome we are gonna get alot of info

[Poli]

Thanks alan, looks like it wouldn't have mattered.

[Barkeep49]

I'm flexible when it comes to night deadlines but lynch deadlines are firm since people do strategically last minute vote.

[saldana]

Unvote LSG
Vote render

i really dont like that Ardent...you vouched for render to get me to switch off and then you try and switch back at the last second to create a tie :confused:

[RendeR]

don't you think it would be a wolfy move to pass the most trusted person in the game ( along with path) that item to gain trust down the road?


Wow, you know that would be a very interesting move. I wish I'd thought of it. And thinking that way I understand your vote. Unfortunately, I'm not nearly that intelligent, or devious to think of that. :eek:

[Poli]

No bbq tonight. :(

[Lathum]

gggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Poli]

i really dont like that Ardent...you vouched for render to get me to switch off and then you try and switch back at the last second to create a tie :confused:
Sorry, lathum sold me on that post near the end.

[Poli]

Additionally, I didn't think I'd create a tie, thought I'd be knocking off render.

[Alan T]

I told you Ardent is fishy...

[saldana]

i really dont like that Ardent...you vouched for render to get me to switch off and then you try and switch back at the last second to create a tie :confused:

ignore this...i cant count for shit

[Poli]

The post i'm referring to is the one render just quoted.

[Lathum]

Wow, you know that would be a very interesting move. I wish I'd thought of it. And thinking that way I understand your vote. Unfortunately, I'm not nearly that intelligent, or devious to think of that. :eek:

I know but cronin is that intelligent among others left in the game and wolves can communicate...

[Poli]

I told you Ardent is fishy...
Screw off.

[RendeR]

*bleh*


Sorry LSG, but if it was villager v villager I'd rather be alive. Doesn't feel very good, but living is better than dead.

[RendeR]

I know but cronin is that intelligent among others left in the game and wolves can communicate...

Wait, The wolves can talk amongst themselves??

[Alan T]

Screw off.

You're still one of my favorites :) I just don't buy your story is all. No hard feelings though, after the game I'll be happy with you again :)

[Lathum]

In case I die tonight. THat is 2 close calls render has had. I am gonna look at the voting patterns and see if anything matches up.

[Poli]

Going to Alton IL's hospital tomorrow for work. It's about 1.5 hour drive from here. I'm leaving at 5:30 in the morning, not sure what time I'll be back, could be 3:30, could be 5.

[Poli]

You're still one of my favorites :) I just don't buy your story is all. No hard feelings though, after the game I'll be happy with you again :)
Then you'll find yourself with a vote tomorrow, bucko.

[Alan T]

Then you'll find yourself with a vote tomorrow, bucko.


Fair enough, if you don't mind one in return :)

[Poli]

You want to vote for someone a number of people feel is good, far be it from me to stop you, wolf. I mean Alan.

[Poli]

Hitting the hay, I have to be up at Oh Ardent Thirty to get there by 7.

[Alan T]

You want to vote for someone a number of people feel is good, far be it from me to stop you, wolf. I mean Alan.

I can't help it if you have them fooled. I've been on you ever since the stunt with Cronin, and it will be nice when I turn out right about this. If no one else believes me, then so be it.. but I'll enjoy it at some point when the truth comes out.

[Poli]

Care to make a small wager, Alan?

[Alan T]

Care to make a small wager, Alan?

I don't really gamble money, but if its some other kind of wager forum related then sure :) You're not going to bully me down from coming after you :)

[Barkeep49]

No wagering please. It's outside the integrity of the game.

~BK, YFWWM

[Alan T]

Way to ruin the fun Barkeep :(

Well I'm heading to bed. night all.

[path12]

Hrm, its probably because this is only my 4th game, but I think I need to learn when NOT to post anything at all.

None of my posts, timing wise, has any relevance to anything that was said prior to them. I simply posted at the times I was able to log in and check the game out with time enough to post. So the timing issue of my posts really is jut me being a newb at the game and not realizing that WHEN I post carries as much weight as what I post.

I acted the fool in the last game, and it aroused suspicion, I tried being laid back and quiet this game, and aroused suspicion, I tried to revert to being funny, and made it worse. How does one win at this again?

I am a plain old villager. I had a wolfsbane leaf the first night and gave it to Ardent the second night in case the wolves tried to retaliate and kill him for snagging cronin. I can't tell as easily from everyone's posts what makes sense or not. Many of you have dozens of games under your belts and you recognize things in others that I don't yet see.

FWIW, I felt the same way after my fourth game. I still feel that way sometimes.

[Barkeep49]

Quick request:

If you could please send me a PM tonight whether or not you are doing any actions, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to process the actions early if possible.

Thanks.

[Lathum]

FWIW, I felt the same way after my fourth game. I still feel that way sometimes.

me too. Unfortuantly today's outcome didn't do anything to sway my opinion.

[Swaggs]

This is either a pretty tough game or I have had a bad set of items each day. Right now, I'm feeling pretty ineffective. I don't have one person in my CoT.

[ntndeacon]

well if it matters whether or not there had been a tie it would not have mattered...LSG was going to die. I had the persuasion Item.

[GoldenEagle]

Ardent is clean in my book. As I said, I identity switched with him last night. So unless there are four wolves, then AE did not do anything last night.

[GoldenEagle]

How exactly was Render cleared?

[Lathum]

How exactly was Render cleared?

he wasn;t

[RendeR]

he wasn;t


Well I WAS until you brought up the idea that I'd protect someone as a wolf-bait n switch.


GE: I posted earlier that I had a wolfsbane leaf and gave it specifically to Ardent to keep him from being revenge-killed by the wolves after the Cronin showdown.

Ardent had not to that point stated WHAT item he was given, so in effect, that was Ardent's reasoning for switching his vote off me, and that took Saldana's vote off me too as he switched based on Ardent's move.

While I admit that a wolf would be dead sexy for making such a move, I also have to admit to not being that quick witted. I never even considered that angle before announcing what i had done.

So I FEEL vindicated (and SHOULD be as I am NOT a wolf) but I also understand Lathum's reservations still. He's been playing with much more cunning people than myself and thinks in a much more abstract manner.

Me, I'm pretty fucking simple =)

I'm a villager, nothing more, nothing less.

[LoneStarGirl]

I love that you guys all voted for me after I said I wouldn't be able to get online at all today because I was flying to Houston. Good call.

[Lathum]

don't lump me in with them LSG.

[GoldenEagle]

Since I swithced with AE last night, would I be informed of any items that he received. I am thinking yes.

[path12]

Since I swithced with AE last night, would I be informed of any items that he received. I am thinking yes.

That is a fascinating thought. Were you?

[path12]

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about some people who don't seem to be attracting much suspicion as of yet. I think tomorrow is going to be interesting.

God I'm glad there's a game going again.

[Lathum]

I am confused. I may be drunk

[Lathum]

God I'm glad there's a game going again.

me too

[Poli]

No wager? Then I demand Alan's forum title be changed from whatever it is right now to "goob" if I'm anything other than a villager at the end of the game.

Alan, I'm just a little sick and tired of your antics every game, "oh ardent is bad, I know it, I know it, I know it." Come on chicken little. Wait, that's the title I demand for him. I haven't been a wolf in 15 friggin months or so, yet every game you go on and on like some little old lady...like I stole your friggin rocking chair off the front porch, "woah is me...I'm alan t and I know all and see all...ardent is bad in every single game....don't provide me evidence that it's me being wrong, i'm too old and senile to believe it.

Chicken Little.

Just agree, Alan. It's that simple. It's no wager.

[Poli]

With that, I've got 10 minutes to change and get out of here. I'm out. You've been a great audience.

Alan, you better change your title after this game.

[Poli]

You better get your little think tank gassed up there, Alan. Come up with some little retarded wag the dog story about how you could swear you saw me out last night doing whatever.

You better come after me and kill me off. When you do, you better realize what a friggin goob you are. When you do, you better apologize for it. And you better change your title.

[Poli]

And as I'm putting my shoes on here, thanks for the golden ticket there, willy wonka. There's no way a wolf will ever night kill me at this point, because either 1 you're the wolf or 2 you're doing their work for them in a day cycle.

So thanks, just call me Charlie friggin Bucket.

[Alan T]

Lol, Ardent you're off your rocker. You're funny but you're out of your mind. I'm not sure I know what goob even means, but Chicken Little is kind of funny. Well, lets see what the cards have in store, I am hoping that I will find a way to watch you myself and be able to either condemn you or trust you with my own eyes :)

[Barkeep49]

You all awake in the morning. There was no screaming. No change. Is that for the better or for the worse?

[Barkeep49]

For the weekend, I'm thinking we'll end today's vote normal time. Have a late deadline of Noon tomorrow for night actions, go from Saturday at noon to Sunday at 10:30 as a day and then get back on track, so we can finish this before the 4th, hopefully.

[Alan T]

Wow.. incredibly busy night for me....

First of all, I was attacked last night by the wolves. I passed my necklace last evening as I said I had to, luckily someone else protected me. If someone can come on and tell me what they sent me last night that protected me (I know the answer, but want you to tell me to verify you are who you say), then you'll be much more trusted by me.

Unfortunatly it does not tell me anything about who my attacker was, just that this item protected me and has been used up (ie: I no longer have it).

In addition to that, I received two other items (randomly I suppose?) last night.

I think someone was either trying to frame Ardent with this move, or they assumed with me passing my necklace last night that I would be vulnerable to attack. I'm not going to say who I sent my necklace to, they know and I know and thats it. I wanted it to be somewhere that the wolves wouldn't expect it.

I have a department picnic in an hour or two, so might not be around a ton in the early afternoon. But should be here a good bit after that.

[Alan T]

I am a bit puzzled at the people who have popped in and didn't even comment on last night's occurance and then left without saying anything.

[Swaggs]

I have nothing to report from last night and I currently have zero items. :(

[Alan T]

I have nothing to report from last night and I currently have zero items. :(


Just to come clean, I used an item interceptor on you that I had gotten yesterday. When I posted above saying randomly I suppose, I am guessing one of those two items were meant for you and the other was meant for me. My PM didn't say anything about me having intercepted the item or such, it just said:

I was passed item X

I also received items Y and Z.

So you can blame your lack of items on me most likely. I didn't come out at the start stating I did that to you because I was curious to see what you said today. And nothing personal, I chose you as you were one of the ones near the low part of my trust yesterday. I don't know that you being honest about this means a whole bunch, but at least you were up front about it.

[Alan T]

Also for those curious, I asked Barkeep about the item interceptor's usage yesterday. I asked if it could find out information about who passed the item to the person that I intercepted, and he informed me that the interceptor doesn't intercept items passed between players. Only the items randomly (or semi-randomly) handed out from the game.

So I couldn't use it in a way to try to catch a wolf passing an item to another wolf I was told.

[Swaggs]

Well, that makes a little bit more sense to me.

At first, I thought maybe my PM had not come or that it had been forgotten, but then I re-read the rules and it made it seem like it was possible for there to not be enough items to go around. Then, I saw that you had received a couple of items and thought maybe it was some type of penalty for missing the vote two days ago.

Oh well... hopefully someone was able to use a wolf scanner and ID a wolf, or, at least, clear someone, because right now my CoT is comprised of me.

[Swaggs]

Alan (or anyone), do you have a list of all three days' votes (including the changes) that you could post?

[path12]

It was almost like Christmas this morning. Thanks for the items.

[path12]

Wow.. incredibly busy night for me....

First of all, I was attacked last night by the wolves. I passed my necklace last evening as I said I had to, luckily someone else protected me. If someone can come on and tell me what they sent me last night that protected me (I know the answer, but want you to tell me to verify you are who you say), then you'll be much more trusted by me.

Unfortunatly it does not tell me anything about who my attacker was, just that this item protected me and has been used up (ie: I no longer have it).

In addition to that, I received two other items (randomly I suppose?) last night.

I think someone was either trying to frame Ardent with this move, or they assumed with me passing my necklace last night that I would be vulnerable to attack. I'm not going to say who I sent my necklace to, they know and I know and thats it. I wanted it to be somewhere that the wolves wouldn't expect it.

I have a department picnic in an hour or two, so might not be around a ton in the early afternoon. But should be here a good bit after that.

So you know who protected you? You will let us know if we try to lynch that person, won't you?

[Alan T]

I don't have an easy one that includes the changes available to me. I can try to put one together when I'm back later, but I'm heading to my picnic in about 15 minutes so not really enough time beforehand to. The only lists I have is the final vote lists for each day.

[Swaggs]

I don't have an easy one that includes the changes available to me. I can try to put one together when I'm back later, but I'm heading to my picnic in about 15 minutes so not really enough time beforehand to. The only lists I have is the final vote lists for each day.

Understandable.

If it is easy, could you post them, so we can see if there are any patterns?

[Alan T]

So you know who protected you? You will let us know if we try to lynch that person, won't you?

No one protected me per say. Someone sent me one of the protection items last night which ended up saving my life. It doesn't tell me who passed it, just says I was passed item X. I'm hoping to add the person to my CoT by them telling me what they passed me. (I do know what item I received before it was destroyed last night). I would feel that person was 100% trusted as i don't see a wolf passing an item to me and then trying to kill me the same night.

[Alan T]

Day 1:

(5) Daddy T – Lathum (57), Render (61), LSG (65), Ardent (116), GE (117)
(4) Render – Alan (62), Swaggs (72), DaddyTorgo (83), Passacaglia (84)
(1) Hoops – saldana (59)
(1) Path – NTN (64)
(2) Ardent – path (70), cronin (111)
(1) NTN – Hoopsguy (73)

No Vote: Rum


Day 2:

2 Ardent – path (191), cronin (323)
9 Cronin – ntn (294), hoops (279), ardent (292), saldana (300), LSG (317), pass (319), alan (333), lathum (341), GE (343)

No vote: Swaggs, Render

Day 3:

(6) Lonestargirl - Alan (405), Render (416), Swaggs (420), ntndeacon (442), ardent (481), saldana (484)
(4) Render - Lathum (431), path (471), render(488), GE (488)
(1) Saldana - Lonestargirl (397)

[Swaggs]

Post #488 was GE voting for Render, so we can strike the render(488) from his total.

[Swaggs]

Well, I have some thoughts about what I see from the voting history, but I'll wait a bit and see if someone learned anything interesting during their night actions before playing amateur detective, since I really don't have anything concrete to go on right now.

[Lathum]

IMO it seems like an attempted set up of Ardent. Especialy since AE stated he would be gone most of the day and not be here to defend himself.

I see no reason to change my vote from yesterday but I am going to wait until more possible info comes out

[Alan T]

Ok, looks like the ribs are taking a while. so more like another hour till I take off. Not that alot is happening right now...

Path and Lathum, either of you have anything to share that happened to you last night? Right now only Swaggs and I have shared.

[Lathum]

nothing happened to me

[Lathum]

dola- I passed an item.

[ntndeacon]

I used an item yesterday (day )...passed one off at night, and recieved one.

[Lathum]

not much happening today

VOTE RENDER

I see no reason to change from yesterday

[path12]

Ok, looks like the ribs are taking a while. so more like another hour till I take off. Not that alot is happening right now...

Path and Lathum, either of you have anything to share that happened to you last night? Right now only Swaggs and I have shared.

Nothing happened except getting some items passed to me.

[Alan T]

Back from my picnic for another 90 min or so until work is done.. I'm pretty suprised that there were only 2 posts while I was gone... Guess its been an incredibly slow day or something.

I'm holding off on placing my vote right now as I would like to give the person who passed me an item a chance to let me know it was them so I make sure I don't vote for them. I don't really have any issues voting Render today, but I would like to make sure it wasn't him who passed me the item last night first.

[Swaggs]

I'm not going to be around for a whole lot longer and it looks like nothing is shaping up.

Here are my observations from the vote totals:

-Path and cronin voted together on the first two nights.
-Golden Eagle has voted late each day. His was the deciding vote that sent DT to his death and preserved Render on Day 1. Each day afterwards, he placed a late, inconsequential vote. On day 2, it was a late pile-on for st.cronin. On day 3, a throwaway vote for Render, after LSG had a significant lead.


Those two are high on my radar. And, actually, I think there is something fishy about the path/ardent thing, still.

Right now, I'm going to throw a vote out and see what comes of it.

Vote Golden Eagle

[Alan T]

I am trying to figure out who I am going to vote for.. Right now my trust is really Path + whoever passed me my item last night. I don't know who that person was, but I have an ok guess of who it wasn't...

Roster
3. Lathum - Has been here, didn't say he passed me the item
5. path - Has been here, didnt say he passed me the item
8. Render
9. saldana
12. ardent enthusiast - Hasnt been here since results, but I highly doubt he would have protected me last night. He might have sent me a mail bomb, but not protection.
13. Swaggs - Didnt say he passed me the item
14. ntndeacon - Didnt say he passed me the item
15. Golden Eagle - I doubt he passed me the item due to voting against him yesterday, but not sure on this.

So unless it was someone who has been here but didnt want to say they passed it to me, that leaves either Render or Saldana as the likely ones who passed the item to me. So I really don't want to vote for either of them right now and risk lynching someone who I feel strongly isn't a wolf.

That leaves me the following to vote for:

Roster
3. Lathum
5. path
12. ardent enthusiast
13. Swaggs
14. ntndeacon
15. Golden Eagle

I'll remove path from the list, and despite all the hub bub last night will remove ardent from the list for now...

So unless more turns up I'm looking at one of the following for today:

Roster
3. Lathum
13. Swaggs
14. ntndeacon
15. Golden Eagle

I'll have to take off from work in about 20 - 30 minutes or so, so am hoping something happens before then. I don't know if I will be back tonight or not. If nothing develops between now and then, I'll put a vote out where I think it will do the most good in this list.

I might be back later, I am not sure. I just found out that my mother who moved up to Mass when all the recent medical stuff happened to help out just got a new teaching position at a local high school, so we are going out to celebrate for her :)

[path12]

When I look at the vote totals GE's patterns stand out to me also, but what I find really interesting is the fact that Lathum was first to vote every day except when Cronin was on the line, then was a late pileon. Those two are my top two suspects right now, with Swaggs just under them.

VOTE LATHUM

I think he's playing his wolf game.

[Swaggs]

Alan, you may have already posted this and I missed it, but do you know who sent you the item?

[Swaggs]

I see Lathum and ntndeacon on now, did either of you guys use an item last night?

[ntndeacon]

Roster

14. ntndeacon - Didnt say he passed me the item


So unless it was someone who has been here but didnt want to say they passed it to me, that leaves either Render or Saldana as the likely ones who passed the item to me. So I really don't want to vote for either of them right now and risk lynching someone who I feel strongly isn't a wolf.

That leaves me the following to vote for:

Roster
3. Lathum
5. path
12. ardent enthusiast
13. Swaggs
14. ntndeacon
15. Golden Eagle

I'll remove path from the list, and despite all the hub bub last night will remove ardent from the list for now...

So unless more turns up I'm looking at one of the following for today:

Roster
3. Lathum
13. Swaggs
14. ntndeacon
15. Golden Eagle

I'll have to take off from work in about 20 - 30 minutes or so, so am hoping something happens before then. I don't know if I will be back tonight or not. If nothing develops between now and then, I'll put a vote out where I think it will do the most good in this list.

I might be back later, I am not sure. I just found out that my mother who moved up to Mass when all the recent medical stuff happened to help out just got a new teaching position at a local high school, so we are going out to celebrate for her :)

This is cuz I did not send you the item. I sent one item and I sent it to path.

[Alan T]

Alan, you may have already posted this and I missed it, but do you know who sent you the item?

No idea who sent it. I know what the item was, and they know what it was.. Im hoping the person will admit to it as they'll be instantly trusted by me.

[Lathum]

When I look at the vote totals GE's patterns stand out to me also, but what I find really interesting is the fact that Lathum was first to vote every day except when Cronin was on the line, then was a late pileon. Those two are my top two suspects right now, with Swaggs just under them.

VOTE LATHUM

I think he's playing his wolf game.

I was very clear each day when I voted early that I had to work and there is always a chance I won't be back by the deadline. The day Cronin was lynched I was also clear I was trying to wait to hear from Ardent but I had to leave before he was online, I "piled on" Cronin because I wanted to decrease the chances of a wolf getting his item (s).

I think right now you are way to trusted in this game and I would vote for you but I know that would be a waste today.

[Alan T]

This is cuz I did not send you the item. I sent one item and I sent it to path.

Just a process of elimination more than anything. We have at least two wolves left, and I feel at least one has to be in the list of four that I put down. If it helps any, I didn't really have any bad vibes from you before making my list, only after I made my list you didn't really have anything that helped me feel ok about you either. If anyone in this game feels completely neutral its you. I just dont feel the trust for you that I have for path, and you haven't done anything yet that jumps out at me. The main thing helping you in my mind is the vote on cronin on day 2 that you made. Even though that alone isn't enough, it helps in my mind.

[ntndeacon]

I took it as such Alan, I wanted to add to the info I had given earlier, and let path know where at least one of his items came from.

[saldana]

hey guys, i just want to let every one know i am flying today, which is why i am not on...i have a 3 hour layover in charlotte in about 90 minutes and will catch up then

[ntndeacon]

have a good flight saldana

[Swaggs]

Lathum, did you have a night action last night?

[Lathum]

Lathum, did you have a night action last night?

a night action?

I passed an item if thats what you mean

[Swaggs]

I don't know if it is just me and I am not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, but rather making an observation, but it seems like a lot of folks are transferring items, rather than using them.

I don't have an item today, but I tried to use an item each of the first three nights. I guess maybe some of the items are pretty ineffective, but I really think we should be using them.

[Alan T]

I'm pretty easy about at least 3 of the 4 I listed that I would vote for, so I'd be up for switching my vote perhaps to one of the others if need be later on. I should be back tonight, just don't know when.

Getting out a vote at least for now..
Vote Goldeneagle

Back later hopefully.

[Swaggs]

Another thing I am a little curious about is that folks seem hesitant to share what goes on during the night phase and/or what items they had. To me, having "disposable" items gives us a little extra power over the wolves in this game, as someone with a seer or a bodyguard power can share their information without fear of being IDed as the seer or bodyguard.

We need to get some info out in the open, in my opinion.

[GoldenEagle]

I'm not going to be around for a whole lot longer and it looks like nothing is shaping up.

Here are my observations from the vote totals:

-Path and cronin voted together on the first two nights.
-Golden Eagle has voted late each day. His was the deciding vote that sent DT to his death and preserved Render on Day 1. Each day afterwards, he placed a late, inconsequential vote. On day 2, it was a late pile-on for st.cronin. On day 3, a throwaway vote for Render, after LSG had a significant lead.


Those two are high on my radar. And, actually, I think there is something fishy about the path/ardent thing, still.

Right now, I'm going to throw a vote out and see what comes of it.

Vote Golden Eagle

Yes, i have been voting late this game but most of it has to do with my work schedule. Also, LSG had a two vote lead at the time over Render. I would not call that a runaway by any means.

[Swaggs]

Yes, i have been voting late this game but most of it has to do with my work schedule. Also, LSG had a two vote lead at the time over Render. I would not call that a runaway by any means.

I wouldn't call a two vote lead a runaway either.

But, at the time you voted (with 9-minutes left until the deadline), LSG was up over Render by four votes.

Day 3:

(6) Lonestargirl - Alan (405), Render (416), Swaggs (420), ntndeacon (442), ardent (481), saldana (484)
(4) Render - Lathum (431), path (471), GE (488)
(1) Saldana - Lonestargirl (397)

[Lathum]

Swaggs- The item I passed I didn't have an oppritunity to use and I can only keep for a day. I passed it to Path thinking at the time he is probably the most trusted because in the hands of a wolf this item is powerfull.

[path12]

I don't know if it is just me and I am not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, but rather making an observation, but it seems like a lot of folks are transferring items, rather than using them.

I don't have an item today, but I tried to use an item each of the first three nights. I guess maybe some of the items are pretty ineffective, but I really think we should be using them.

I've used an item each day so far. I'm trying to find out if I can use more than one, otherwise I might be passing some on tonight.

[ntndeacon]

I think I am going to go a little different route that to pile onto GE at this point. Several of us have mentioned their disquiet towards a certain member of this group. and he has been at the bottom of my trust list for a while, so ....
Vote Swaggs

[path12]

Another thing I am a little curious about is that folks seem hesitant to share what goes on during the night phase and/or what items they had. To me, having "disposable" items gives us a little extra power over the wolves in this game, as someone with a seer or a bodyguard power can share their information without fear of being IDed as the seer or bodyguard.

We need to get some info out in the open, in my opinion.

I'm kind of surprised that IIRC, I'm the only person who has used a scanner. There had to be more than one out there........sure seems like there is duplicates of most everything.

I couldn't agree more that if you have used the scanner or crystal ball that there is no benefit I can see in keeping those results private.

[path12]

Swaggs- The item I passed I didn't have an oppritunity to use and I can only keep for a day. I passed it to Path thinking at the time he is probably the most trusted because in the hands of a wolf this item is powerfull.

You just went up some for me. I know what you sent.

[path12]

I wouldn't call a two vote lead a runaway either.

But, at the time you voted (with 9-minutes left until the deadline), LSG was up over Render by four votes.

You're forgetting that he would get killed for voting LSG. :D

[ntndeacon]

You just went up some for me. I know what you sent.

Actually he went down a bit on my list for that comment.

[GoldenEagle]

At this point, I am wondering why Render is getting a free pass. He is wiggled out of two lynchings. The whole path/Render/ardent angle is really strange. I will have more to say after work, but at this point, I am leaning toward Render.

[Lathum]

Well right back at you NTN. I am not sure why I would go down on your list but your vote stinks to me.


I think it is important to narrow ourselves dow to 2 candidates.

Your vote bought a 4th person into the fold, seems like a throw away to me.

[path12]

The whole path/Render/ardent angle is really strange.

Huh? I understand how Ardent and I have interacted, but how does Render fit in there?

[ntndeacon]

Well right back at you NTN. I am not sure why I would go down on your list but your vote stinks to me.


I think it is important to narrow ourselves dow to 2 candidates.

Your vote bought a 4th person into the fold, seems like a throw away to me.

well since the other two people with votes have only one vote and it is still pretty early, I dont see my vote as quite the throwaway you do. The reason you went down on my list of good guys is that your description of what you passed path matched up to mine. (hopes he wont need it though. )

[path12]

well since the other two people with votes have only one vote and it is still pretty early, I dont see my vote as quite the throwaway you do. The reason you went down on my list of good guys is that your description of what you passed path matched up to mine. (hopes he wont need it though. )

Actually, going back through the descriptions I got a couple of items last night that could have been described that way.

[Lathum]

Path- did you get 2 pardons passed to you?

[path12]

Path- did you get 2 pardons passed to you?

Before I answer that tell me if you sent one, two or three.

[path12]

Before I answer that tell me if you sent one, two or three.

Never mind, I have my answer. You and ntn sent me the same thing.

[Lathum]

Before I answer that tell me if you sent one, two or three.

I sent you 1 pardon.

[path12]

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE GOLDEN EAGLE

[Lathum]

path- can you confirm 100% you were not attacked last night?

[GoldenEagle]

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE GOLDEN EAGLE

What is your explanation for this?

[path12]

path- can you confirm 100% you were not attacked last night?

I had no mention of any attack last night, just items that were sent.

An attack would not have been successful though, but I think I'd at least know about it.

[Lathum]

ok, That moves ntn up in my opinion.

I know if I was a wolf I would kill the person I passed the pardon to in an attempt to get it back

[path12]

What is your explanation for this?

Well, since you asked........

Since I swithced with AE last night, would I be informed of any items that he received. I am thinking yes.

I asked you if you received anything. You did not answer.

Golden Eagle has voted late each day. His was the deciding vote that sent DT to his death and preserved Render on Day 1. Each day afterwards, he placed a late, inconsequential vote. On day 2, it was a late pile-on for st.cronin. On day 3, a throwaway vote for Render, after LSG had a significant lead.

When I look at the vote totals GE's patterns stand out to me also,

You did say that you voted late because of your work schedule, but I have no way of knowing that for sure, and the record that is there is suspicious.

At this point, I am wondering why Render is getting a free pass. He is wiggled out of two lynchings. The whole path/Render/ardent angle is really strange. I will have more to say after work, but at this point, I am leaning toward Render.

Again, I asked you how Render fits into my interaction with Ardent on night 1. You haven't answered as of yet. Also, the fact is that the only wolf we've caught so far has been due to my using the scanner on Ardent.

There is at least one wolf in the group of you, Lathum, Swaggs and ntn. Ntn and Lathum did not move themselves into a level of trust, but the fact that they both sent me pardons last night is somewhat meaningful and is enough for me not to vote either today. Tomorrow may be another story.

So the vote comes down to you or Swaggs. You seem the better bet to me right now.

[Lathum]

Well I have to leave in a few minutes and will probably not be home until the deadline.

I am keeping my vote on Render for now. I think it is important to narrow things down to 2 candidates and I feel strongest about him.

I was hoping someone scanned him last night but so far no dice.

Gotta go to work.

[Poli]

So, I haven't even started reading, but I had to share how my day went today.

I went to Alton as planned, rather boring day through lunch. I'm getting a little dirty, a little wet, a little hot. I found out I had to go by the office and sign off on some ladder training. It might even get me home early. Sweet.

10 minutes after lunch, I'm called out to Missouri Baptist for a trouble call. A thermostat in an operating room went out. No display. Nada, nothing, noodle.

I've been on this job for about 3 months now, but I haven't ventured out on my own yet. There's just a ton to know and cover and I've barely touched the surface so far. Thermostats, though, are relatively easy...and this one is easier than most since it's not connected to a network of any kind. Could only be 3 things, the stat, the controller, or the cable between.

"Don't worry, it'll be easy. Just remove the old stat, remove the plate, disconnect the cable, put the new stat in, replace the cable. Piece of cake. They'll probably just be in a hurry to use the room. You'll be fine."

So, I go from one job to that job with a quickness. I get there and I have to put on the doc smocks. No big deal, I think. I walk the customer through the possible scenarios (including the very unlikely ones) and I have my tool bag and computer bag with me. Piece of cake.

"One problem, though. They're in the middle of open heart surgery. You can only take what you absolutely need."

???

Oh boy.

So, I go in and get to work (after having to strip down and put on the smocks)...then I see the beating heart on the screen. Then I see the nurse cleaning something...could have been a tool, could have been tissue (human or otherwise), but it was covered in goo and blood. Perfecto.

Piece of cake. Little arcy, little sparky, when a nut went into the plugged in controller, but it's still good to go. Little screws back in the wall, and I'm out.

Whew.

[saldana]

I'm kind of surprised that IIRC, I'm the only person who has used a scanner. There had to be more than one out there........sure seems like there is duplicates of most everything.

I couldn't agree more that if you have used the scanner or crystal ball that there is no benefit I can see in keeping those results private.

i was thinking about this while waiting for my first plane...i am sure that your are right..there should be more than one scanner out there, but nothing in the rules prevents the wolves from having one...if one of their kills had it, then they have it, and we will never hear from it again.

[st.cronin]

Ladder training?

[Poli]

Wow.. incredibly busy night for me....

First of all, I was attacked last night by the wolves. I passed my necklace last evening as I said I had to, luckily someone else protected me. If someone can come on and tell me what they sent me last night that protected me (I know the answer, but want you to tell me to verify you are who you say), then you'll be much more trusted by me.

You effin' owe me.

[Poli]

Ladder training?
You know, this is how to climb a ladder...be safe, not sorry. Don't do stupid tricks on ladders. .

[Poli]

I was passed item wolfbane leaf or whatever it's called.

.
Fixed.

[saldana]

holy crap ardent...good show to not pass out when you walked into a live operating theatre...i dont know if i would still be standing

[Poli]

This should be fun. I want to see Alan apologize. I saved his bacon.

[Poli]

holy crap ardent...good show to not pass out when you walked into a live operating theatre...i dont know if i would still be standing
I was like, wow, that's....a heart on the screen....and that's...blood. That's...well, I don't know what that is but it has blood on it....and that is bloody gauze...yeah, get to work and get out of here. Quick.

[saldana]

I was like, wow, that's....a heart on the screen....and that's...blood. That's...well, I don't know what that is but it has blood on it....and that is bloody gauze...yeah, get to work and get out of here. Quick.

ARDENT LIKES THE SITE OF BLOOD!!!!!1111!!1!!1111 HE MUST BE A WEREWOLF!!!!!!!!:D

(please note that this post is 100% sarcasm and does not reflect my opinion of him in this game)

[Poli]

:)

[Poli]

By the way, MR. Alan T, you also have an item detector in your possession. Because I used it on you.

[Poli]

I just can't wait till my good friend Alan T gets in. I bet he gives me a big hug.

[Poli]

Let's see where this gets me.

Vote Lathum

[path12]

I just can't wait till my good friend Alan T gets in. I bet he gives me a big hug.

No pix plz ktks.

[Poli]

So are pix of the open heart surgery still in play?

[saldana]

votes to this point

render -1- lathum (583),
GE -3- swaggs (586), alant (601), path (621)
swaggs -1- ntndeacon (607)
lathum -1- ardent (641)

not yet voting: render, swaggs, saldana

[Poli]

I thought someone else had voted for lathum. Guess I'll peel that vote back. Path and alan (makes me throw up in my mouth a little) are my most trusted, render right behind them. Hmm.

[path12]

So are pix of the open heart surgery still in play?

I'm fine with that.

[path12]

I thought someone else had voted for lathum. Guess I'll peel that vote back. Path and alan (makes me throw up in my mouth a little) are my most trusted, render right behind them. Hmm.

I voted for Lathum originally. He sent me a pardon last night, which doesn't clear him but is enough for me to go in another direction today.

[RendeR]

VOTE LATHUM




He's been out for me from the get go and no matter what evidence comes up he plays it off as some wolf-ish stunt to gain favor. Obviously I've gained SO much favor as I've been #2 in the voting every night so far. I think he's just using me to avert suspicion from himself.

[saldana]

updated to take render and my vote into consideration

i have to board soon, but should be landing in time for the deadline in case anything earth shattering comes up...i felt pretty sure about render yesterday, partly because i trust Ardent, so i switched off when he did...today, i will likely be staying put.

render -1- lathum (583), saldana (649)
GE -3- swaggs (586), alant (601), path (621)
swaggs -1- ntndeacon (607)
lathum -1- ardent (641), render (648)

not yet voting: GE

vote render

[path12]

He's been out for me from the get go and no matter what evidence comes up he plays it off as some wolf-ish stunt to gain favor.

I don't want to nitpick, but what evidence has come up to clear you?

I'm asking as someone who leans toward you being good.

[RendeR]

I don't want to nitpick, but what evidence has come up to clear you?

I'm asking as someone who leans toward you being good.


On night two I gave Ardent a leaf to make sure he wasn't killed in a revenge strike for being at the front of the offensive against Cronin.

He had not posted what he was given prior to me verifying it.

[Poli]

Going grocery shopping. I promise not to walk in to an OR during that time.

[Poli]

Trust list, in order:

1. Path
2. Alan
3. Render
4. goldeneagle
5. ntndeacon
6. swaggs
7. saldana
8. lathum

I need to take some time and review the post of the bottom four, particularly ntn and swaggs.

[Poli]

Looks a little suspicious early on (rereading his posts today)...but I still may change this again.

unvote lathum
Vote swaggs

[Poli]

Finally, my new buddy has arrived.

[Alan T]

I just can't wait till my good friend Alan T gets in. I bet he gives me a big hug.

Hey, I'm a big enough man to admit when I was wrong. Like I said this morning, I can't imagine any possible scenerio where you would send that to me and then try to kill me all at the same night, so I'll take your word that you are what you said you were...


Get ready for it....

I was wrong



And I guess that also explains the item detector that I received last night too. I'm not sure if you saw what the other item I received last night was, but I'll assume you understand why I am not going to talk about it any right now. Excellent move by the way, I'll give you credit for it.

[Alan T]

Looks like I didn't really miss a ton while i was gone other than Ardent's open heart surgery. Seems a pretty quiet night tonight so far. I'm going to go back and count up what the current vote count. Seems close between a few people. No idea the exact vote right now though.

[Poli]

Hey, I'm a big enough man to admit when I was wrong. Like I said this morning, I can't imagine any possible scenerio where you would send that to me and then try to kill me all at the same night, so I'll take your word that you are what you said you were...


Get ready for it....

I was wrong



And I guess that also explains the item detector that I received last night too. I'm not sure if you saw what the other item I received last night was, but I'll assume you understand why I am not going to talk about it any right now. Excellent move by the way, I'll give you credit for it.

My thought process was that they wouldn't kill me, but they wouldn't hesitate to set me up. I sent the PM about 3 minutes before I hit the door. I figured I was a lock for "NOT" needing it.

[Alan T]

I got this for the current vote count:

(3) GE - swaggs (586), alant (601), path (621)
(2) render - lathum (583), saldana (649)
(2) swaggs - ntndeacon (607), Ardent (654)
(1) lathum - render (648)

No vote: Goldeneagle

Doesn't seem like a lot of movement tonight so far.

[Poli]

By the way, Alan, you're welcome.

[Poli]

Alan, how solid are you on GE?

[Alan T]

Alan, how solid are you on GE?

I mainly voted GE due to trying to eliminate who wasnt the one who sent me the leaf last night. Now I know where it came from, it opens things up a bit more for me again. Out of the others with 2 votes right now, I dont think I would go for Render , but Swaggs I don't really have a good feel for.

How strong are you on Swaggs? What is the reasoning behind the Swaggs vote? I'm still trying to catch up on everyone's logic from their votes today and don't have a feel for him other than his missed vote and that we just havent really gotten much info from him this game. He hasnt seemed to have done much.

[Poli]

Swaggs...I don't have a good feel for him. I feel one or two of the people in my bottom 4 are playing us. We're down to 9 including me, I believe. I believe you, me, and path are on the right side.

GE, well, he doesn't seem to know how items work or the ramifications. That might be genuine. That's something I'd have to know as a wolf...I'd have to know how the items work. I find him convincing in that he doesn't seem to know.

Swaggs, not solid, but better than 1 vote just on lathum.

I could go lathum, ntn, or saldana.

[Alan T]

I don't see us moving to Saldana accomplishing much right now.. If you and I moved to Lathum though, that would put him into the lead. The only downside is he mentioned earlier that he isn't going to be around to defend himself.. I'm not too concerned about that though, as everyone has had all day to make their cases.

Hmm, Im a bit less trusting of GE than you are, but I feel a little better about Swaggs than you do I think based on the conversations I had with Swaggs this morning. he seemed openly honest about his current situation. I guess that could just be a decent cover though.

I'd probably do a switch to Lathum from GE, still undecided if I would switch to Swaggs. There really wasn't much against swaggs on the votes from you and ntn earlier to help convince me on him either.

[Alan T]

Sorry, I didn't comment on ntn there, I talked about him earlier though in the day. but same thing as Saldana, moving to him wouldn't accomplish anything other than a 3 way tie right now with ntn having the abilitiy to move his vote the way he wanted

[Alan T]

Eh, I keep talking myself out of things. I really don't see alot of difference between Ntn, Swaggs, Goldeneagle, Lathum, Saldana right now.

So yeah.. why not. lets see what happens.
Unvote Goldeneagle
Vote Swaggs

[Poli]

GE is in that 4 spot, so he's not a solid in my book. I'm a little inclined to move lathum up some, but not much.

[path12]

Swaggs came off this morning to me more as a villager than he had up to now. I seem to recall something about Saldana that made me feel better about him than Ardent does. Ntn and Lathum both sent me pardons last night, but that could easily be a wolf move trying to gain trust, especially since I'm not really much on the radar to be a lynch vote....I'm more concerned about a night attack, though I've got something again tonight that will help me there. And I made my case about GE earlier.

I'd be willing to go with any of the Swaggs, Lathum, GE trio if there's a reason to change.

[ntndeacon]

I mainly voted GE due to trying to eliminate who wasnt the one who sent me the leaf last night. Now I know where it came from, it opens things up a bit more for me again. Out of the others with 2 votes right now, I dont think I would go for Render , but Swaggs I don't really have a good feel for.

How strong are you on Swaggs? What is the reasoning behind the Swaggs vote? I'm still trying to catch up on everyone's logic from their votes today and don't have a feel for him other than his missed vote and that we just havent really gotten much info from him this game. He hasnt seemed to have done much.

On Swaggs, and something else that damns him in my book. He claims to have used the psychic link on hoopsguy and a mystery person on night 2 (for day 3) However hoops had told us all the day before (post 202) that a mystery person had contacted him. He therefore would have LOST his psychic link. what that brings out is....Why did Swaggs try to contact someone that it was known did NOT have a psychic link.

[Poli]

It appears one of those 3 will be lynched, so you should be good. I think I'd rather see lathum or swaggs.

[RendeR]

Hrm...reading all this its hard to tell who's really solid and who's not. Seems like lathum is on most people's distrust list so I'll leave my vote there.

[Poli]

Swaggs came off this morning to me more as a villager than he had up to now. I seem to recall something about Saldana that made me feel better about him than Ardent does. Ntn and Lathum both sent me pardons last night, but that could easily be a wolf move trying to gain trust, especially since I'm not really much on the radar to be a lynch vote....I'm more concerned about a night attack, though I've got something again tonight that will help me there. And I made my case about GE earlier.

I'd be willing to go with any of the Swaggs, Lathum, GE trio if there's a reason to change.
It is just a bit curious as to why you'd receive the pardons.

[ntndeacon]

By the way if we keep a tie like it is we are good to go.

[ntndeacon]

I cant speak for Lathum, but I sent a pardon to path since he is who itrusted the most. Granted I did not thnik he was in a lot of danger, but better safe than sorry....and I had to send it somewhere ...(who I did not think was a wolf)

[Alan T]

By the way if we keep a tie like it is we are good to go.

I don't think its a tie. I have this:


(3) swaggs - ntndeacon (607), Ardent (654), alan (666)
(2) GE - swaggs (586), path (621)
(2) render - lathum (583), saldana (649)
(1) lathum - render (648)

[GoldenEagle]

I guess I will go with the self-preservation vote...

VOTE RENDER

[ntndeacon]

I forgot Alans vote was off of GE

lol

[path12]

I guess I will go with the self-preservation vote...

VOTE RENDER

Odd self-preservation vote.

UNVOTE GOLDEN EAGLE
VOTE SWAGGS

[Poli]

In at the deadline, eh GE?

[RendeR]

Why vote for me then? the more obvious choice is Swaggs, guarenteeing your living through the lynching at this point.

That sort of smack of protecting a fellow wolf. no?

Self preservation is the call of the day it seems:

UNVOTE LATHUM

VOTE SWAGGS

[Poli]

Agreed, path.

[Alan T]

Heh, if it makes sense, but that move actually helps me feel a bit better about moving my vote off of him. I get the feeling Ge is so caught up in his birthday he has no idea whats happening. Im guessing if he was a wolf, that wouldn't be the case...

Anyhows the vote now:

(4) swaggs - ntndeacon (607), Ardent (654), alan (666), path (678)
(3) render - lathum (583), saldana (649), Goldeneagle (676)
(1) GE - swaggs (586)
(1) lathum - render (648)

[path12]

In at the deadline, eh GE?

If Swaggs ends up bad, GE is the other wolf.

[GoldenEagle]

UNVOTE RENDER
VOTE SWAGGS

[Swaggs]

Literally just catching up....

[GoldenEagle]

Dola, I was not paying attention. Thanks for pointing that out path.

[ntndeacon]

Why vote for me then? the more obvious choice is Swaggs, guarenteeing your living through the lynching at this point.

That sort of smack of protecting a fellow wolf. no?

Self preservation is the call of the day it seems:

UNVOTE LATHUM

VOTE SWAGGS

I wouldn't call this vote a self preservation vote though.

[Alan T]

updated with Render's vote:

(5) swaggs - ntndeacon (607), Ardent (654), alan (666), path (678), Render (680)
(3) render - lathum (583), saldana (649), Goldeneagle (676)
(1) GE - swaggs (586)

[Swaggs]

Looks like I got the vote swayed to me.

Unfortunate, but can't blame you all. I've played a crappy game and contributed little.

I am a villager, unfortunately.

[Swaggs]

Guess I will see if things swing.

Unvote Golden Eagle

Vote Render

[RendeR]

I wouldn't call this vote a self preservation vote though.


Absolutely it was, at the time it ensured swaggs had more votes tham me. Now that others have moved its not as important.

[Swaggs]

Man, catching up.

This really stinks of a wolf swing away from GE.

[path12]

Guess I will see if things swing.

Unvote Golden Eagle

Vote Render

I can't switch that way.

[path12]

Man, catching up.

This really stinks of a wolf swing away from GE.

I'd be willing to go back to GE, but it's very late.

[Poli]

This looks pretty crazy.

[Swaggs]

Well, I'll vote for GE, but no one else will.

Well done, wolves.

I'm surprised at some of the leaders on my lynching.

[saldana]

unvote render
vote swaggs

[Swaggs]

You guys better be knocking on GE's door tomorrow. :(

[Alan T]

I'd be willing to go back to GE, but it's very late.

It probably would just get Render lynched instead. And right now I feel better about him than Swaggs or GE

[path12]

It probably would just get Render lynched instead. And right now I feel better about him than Swaggs or GE

Me too. I'm almost positive GE is bad. But we'll see what happens here first.

[Swaggs]

It probably would just get Render lynched instead. And right now I feel better about him than Swaggs or GE

I'm most surprised by your vote, Alan.

I had GE and ardent pegged, but you went along and I am pretty surprised.

[Poli]

If not swaggs, then I'll go with GE next lynch. I'm down with that.

[path12]

Crap, dinner time. Back in awhile.

[Poli]

I'm most surprised by your vote, Alan.

I had GE and ardent pegged, but you went along and I am pretty surprised.
Now you're just talking stupid.

[LoneStarGirl]

12 people are on at deadline.... including 2 dead villagers... Nice game Barkeep :D

[Swaggs]

Now you're just talking stupid.

We'll see, bandwagon leader. :rolleyes:

[Poli]

I'll accept that apology later, swaggs.

[ntndeacon]

wonders who was the mystery person you tried to link to on day three with the not having psychic link Hoops?

[ntndeacon]

that last as for Swaggs of course

[Swaggs]

Hoopsguy and Ardent.

[Swaggs]

Last night, I tried for Alan and/or Lathum.

[Barkeep49]

Ambivalence is perhaps the word of the day until its end, when things get wild. In the end it is Swaggs who is brought down by the maelstrom of late votes. He is taken down, oh so easily.

However, that is when the true horror begins as Saldana, Golden Eagle, Lathum, and Alan T rise up as one and strike down the remaining villagers, before attacking the magical barriers which quarantined them. They had infiltrated the city and now it is time for them to reap their demonic reward.

Thanks to everyone who played. I have some definite opinions about how the game was played but want to hear what everyone thought because I'm always looking to improve my games. Thanks again to everyone for participating.

[Poli]

Heh, never knew that.

[ntndeacon]

dang it!
I saw Saldana's late vote as a possible bad thing
good game all!

[Swaggs]

Wow...

My first thought is that this one was way unbalanced.

[Poli]

Gah.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think it is funny that the day I died I said we need to look at Saldana and Lathum... and what happens, i die. Nobody ever listens to me :(

[saldana]

I'm most surprised by your vote, Alan.

I had GE and ardent pegged, but you went along and I am pretty surprised.

ardent obviously was a villager, and GE has only been a wolf since last night when we tried to eat him

[Lathum]

thanks for the game barkeep.

Render, sorry I was on you so bad, it was my goal to keep you front and center then lynch you when we could

[Barkeep49]

Wow...

My first thought is that this one was way unbalanced.
Can you explain how?

[Lathum]

I though it seemed unbalenced but we did get very lucky with our items. I give barkeep credit for not altering the game even though we seemed to be running away with it

[saldana]

Wow...

My first thought is that this one was way unbalanced.

i was a night 1 conversion, and ge was last night, so they only started with 3

[Barkeep49]

The original list of items were:
Charm of persuasion
Crystal ball
False wolfbane
Identity Switch A
Identity Switch B
Item blocker
Item destroyer A
Item destroyer B
Item detector
Item interceptor
Pardon A
Pardon B
Psychic link A
Psychic link B
Psychic link C
Silver knife
Wolf scanner A
Wolf scanner B
Wolf scanner C
Wolf scanner D
Wolfbane leaf A
Wolfbane leaf B
Wolfbane leaf C
Wolfbane necklace

[Alan T]

Thanks for the game, I really enjoyed it Barkeep.

I am curious about some of the items and how they were used.. ie: other than Path we never really saw much from the wolf scanners and I knew of at least 3 of them in the game (were there more?). The crystal ball we never heard from either. it was like losing the seer night 1. Also there seemed like a ton of wolfbane necklaces and leafs out there. I knew of at least 2 wolfbane leafs and 5 wolfbane necklaces out there.. how many were real necklaces vs fake necklaces...

Were we just really extremely lucky on our conversions, or was there that many out there? It seemed like there was a ton to undo us, but it never was used, or never got in our way after day 1.

[Poli]

Way too many flippin wolves.

[Swaggs]

ardent obviously was a villager, and GE has only been a wolf since last night when we tried to eat him

Ardent was not?

Not that it matters, I had a good idea about GE and, a bit of suspicion towards Alan T, but I never would have considered that there would be four of you guys left.

[Alan T]

The original list of items were:
Charm of persuasion
Crystal ball
False wolfbane
Identity Switch A
Identity Switch B
Item blocker
Item destroyer A
Item destroyer B
Item detector
Item interceptor
Pardon A
Pardon B
Psychic link A
Psychic link B
Psychic link C
Silver knife
Wolf scanner A
Wolf scanner B
Wolf scanner C
Wolf scanner D
Wolfbane leaf A
Wolfbane leaf B
Wolfbane leaf C
Wolfbane necklace

You list only 1 necklace and 1 false necklace, but I know both GE and Saldana had false necklaces, and I passed Ardent a necklace the night I got another one. So did more come into the game as we went?

I think we got really lucky that we ended up with alot of the scanners, the silver knife and a ton of the leafs

[Alan T]

Ardent was not?

Not that it matters, I had a good idea about GE and, a bit of suspicion towards Alan T, but I never would have considered that there would be four of you guys left.

We went to kill GE flat out last night, didnt want the crystal ball out there, had no idea we would convert him. We assumed after converting Sal that was it for the fake necklaces.

[hoopsguy]

Good game, wolves.

Night 2 - Pass and I both had wolf scanners. Did I tip my hand that I had the item earlier in the day? I tried to sound like I was coaching someone else on how to play, as opposed to sounding like I had that item.

I was very suspicious of Lathum by the end of that Day and would likely have gone after him, but NTN was the second person I suspected at that time.

When I was dead on Night 2, I wondered if people would ask about Alan continuing to be alive on Day 3 and certainly on Day 4. But that never seemed to come up - everyone knows he never lasts past Day 3!!!

I'm curious to hear why people kept passing items instead of using them. BK, do you have a night action recap that you can post?

[Barkeep49]

You list only 1 necklace and 1 false necklace, but I know both GE and Saldana had false necklaces, and I passed Ardent a necklace the night I got another one. So did more come into the game as we went?

I think we got really lucky that we ended up with alot of the scanners, the silver knife and a ton of the leafs
All items were static. No items were introduced after the start of the game, though some were removed as they were used.

GE got saldana's necklace after he was converted. You started off with the real one, passed it to AE who passed it back to you. The necklaces didn't leave the game when they were used.

[Swaggs]

Why the odd number of psychic links?

Doesn't that render (har har) one of them useless?

[Barkeep49]

Why the odd number of psychic links?

Doesn't that render (har har) one of them useless?
It did. In retrospect I should have done an even number of those, though at the time I was trying to lessen its impact.

And I do not have a good nightly recap I can post, sorry.

[saldana]

like lathum said, we got lucky with the items too....we got one of the scanners when we killed hoops, so i used it on alan to get it out of the game...lathum got the silver knife when we killed pass, so no one ever got a chance to use it

[saldana]

Good game, wolves.

Night 2 - Pass and I both had wolf scanners. Did I tip my hand that I had the item earlier in the day? I tried to sound like I was coaching someone else on how to play, as opposed to sounding like I had that item.

I was very suspicious of Lathum by the end of that Day and would likely have gone after him, but NTN was the second person I suspected at that time.

When I was dead on Night 2, I wondered if people would ask about Alan continuing to be alive on Day 3 and certainly on Day 4. But that never seemed to come up - everyone knows he never lasts past Day 3!!!

I'm curious to hear why people kept passing items instead of using them. BK, do you have a night action recap that you can post?

you didnt tip anything Hoops, we just figured getting rid of you would be a good idea, and since ardent and path had established a little
COT, we figured anyone with a leaf or necklace would pass it to one of them, leaving you vulnerable

[Poli]

Way too many wolves for the size of this game.

[Lathum]

Way too many wolves for the size of this game.

3 to start is to many?

[Poli]

Especially when you consider we killed cronin.

I can still smile about that. :)

[Poli]

5 out of 15 is way too many.

[Swaggs]

Good game. Having the items give all the powers was a cool/different idea.

In hindsight, I think the wolves kind of caught a break even when cronin got lynched, because AE and path still seemed a little shady to me after that whole exchange.

[Lathum]

5 out of 15 is way too many.

we didn't start with 5, we got very lucky with conversions

[Swaggs]

5 out of 15 is way too many.

Agreed.

Especially with two double kill nights available and then the knife out there, as well. With 15 players, I certainly didn't fathom that we'd be near endgame on the Day 4 lynch, after getting a wolf on Day 2.

[Lathum]

I think it is funny that the day I died I said we need to look at Saldana and Lathum... and what happens, i die. Nobody ever listens to me :(

lol, you posted that and I was like, Whoa!!

[ntndeacon]

I had thought about giving my leaf to hoops on the night he was killed instead of keeping it.I was a little upset when irealized iforgot to turn in that request. and that it cost us a life

[Poli]

Just the fact you could get very lucky with the conversions is disappointing. Might as well made it where we could all be converted.

[path12]

Alan was not on my radar at all. GE and Lathum were, not that it mattered.

Good game wolves.

Barkeep, I enjoyed the items and the game. I think it was more a matter of favor of the random number gods than unbalanced.

[path12]

I ended up with two Item Destroyers (1 start, 1 from LSG). But anyone who was going to give me something was not going to be something we likely would have wanted to destroy.

I was passing the pardons to Ardent and Render tonight.

[Barkeep49]

Just the fact you could get very lucky with the conversions is disappointing. Might as well made it where we could all be converted.
You could all be converted, that was an item in the game. Frankly I think the wolves got lucky AND the villagers played poorly.

The crystal ball and item detector weren't ever really utilized. The single biggest goal of the villagers should have been finding the false wolfbane necklace but there was no real discussion of that.

The wolves were given a double kill to balance out the two pardons and the fact that when the game started there was a 1 in 3 chance that their first night attack would fail, because of the wolfbane leaves. It would have been higher had Alan not started with the real necklace, but if luck hadn't gone that way it would have been a 44% chance that their first attack would fail.

Frankly, I think the wolves figured out the items much quicker than the villagers. Perhaps that was due to their being able to safely brainstorm privately, but there was never any real public talk about how items should be used. Even doing after the fact discussing of items failed, which I was surprised about.

To me the wolf you caught, cronin, shows the peril for the wolves. AE had drawn the suspcion, but through skillful playing was able to get cronin nailed.

[Poli]

I'll admit I was snowed by Alan today. I was going to watch Lathum tonight with the ball.

At least I can say I tried my best. That's the best I can ask for in a game like this.

[Barkeep49]

I would love, of course, suggestions about specific tweaks as while I might not ever run this game again (though I could), it still helps me gain a better feel. I am hearing pretty loudly some frustration from the villagers and want to try and figure out how much was/is luck and how much was imbalance, so it doesn't happen again.

[Poli]

You could all be converted, that was an item in the game.Shurg. Not a fan.