Werewolf XLVIII - The horror of sorcery hill (Game over)

[hoopsguy]

Pass, willing to talk a little more about what you did with potions yesterday? I didn't want details until night was over, but I've definitely been curious. Especially after seeing the note about the second potion.

[Alan T]

Once again a new day has started, and the tension is still in the air from the evening before. As people arrive in the great hall to start the morning, there are far less smiles and far more distrusting eyes glanced at each other. Some grasp onto their backpacks tightly, refusing to trust each other and one must wonder if the school is doomed. Everyone arrives except one, Swaggs appears to be missing.

A quick search of the various rooms leads to the storeroom where you hear someone scream. Everyone rushes over only to see Swaggs body laying face down in a pool of his own blood. As he is rolled over, you see his stomach has been sliced open and he has been completely disembowled. What a gruesome sight! A quick glance at his belongings show that everything has already been removed.


Day four has now begun. Remember this is an extended weekend session, so deadline is not until 10pm EST TOMMORROW (sunday) evening.


During this day you may do the following:

1) Vote for a player that you feel is a sect member to kill. (post in the thread)
2) Vote for no kill at all. (Post in the thread)
3) Pass an item, ingredient, potion or magical item to another player (PM me with the information.)
4) Attempt to create a new potion or magical item (PM me with the ingredients and/or items you wish to use in your recipe)
5) Drink a potion (PM me)
6) Throw a potion at someone else (PM me, results will be publically shown in the thread at the end of the day.)

In addition, if you need a refresher on what items or ingredients you currently posess, feel free to drop me a PM asking.

I have not sent out individual night PMs from last night as of yet, so do not be alarmed if you have not received one. I posted this first so the game can continue on schedule. I will send out night pms starting now.

[hoopsguy]

Bummer - not surprising. Still waiting for PM to see if I found anything. Anyone pass stuff to Swaggs that has now made its way to the wolves?

[Passacaglia]

Pass, willing to talk a little more about what you did with potions yesterday? I didn't want details until night was over, but I've definitely been curious. Especially after seeing the note about the second potion.

I kept the potion...whew!

[RendeR]

Everyone rushes over only to see Swaggs body laying face down in a pool of his own blood. As he is rolled over, you see his stomach has been sliced open and he has been completely disembowled.


*wretches violently*

OH

Muh

WORD.

[Passacaglia]

Sorry, Swaggs. Sucks to see you go, but you had to know you had a good chance of getting offed.

[Passacaglia]

Out for a bit. I'd like people to discuss passing items to get some trust channels going.

[LoneStarGirl]

Still waiting my pm

Yes lathum i think most of us knew you were sarcastic and yet a little pissy yesterday

[Poli]

Yep, that is one. Which I found a little interesting, given that there was some worry that the wolves might have killed Cronin to get mercury. Thanks for whatever amount of trust that represents.
No one asked for it. I didn't want it because it might get me killed. There was no doubt in my mind I needed to pass it. You're someone I have/had trust in. I passed it, unfortunately, fwiw, before the fireworks last night.

[RendeR]

Ok so WTF? we're getting cut down faster than trees in the great northwest.

I trusted Swaggs, I sortof trust a couple others, but frankly, not much more than I distrust most everyone.

I'm beginning to think the Pass, path, ntn, hoops etc group that has been doing all the real talking may well be the wolves carrying on their own campaign of deceit. (yes granted this is what they're supposed to be doing as thats what wolves do, but man we gotta start somewhere!!)

[Barkeep49]

I am also still waiting for my PM.

[Barkeep49]

First I want to say that I appreciate path's defense of me. However, in some ways it makes it clear to me that he's a wolf. I don't think a villager would, during the game, be so vocal in defense of someone seen so widely as a bad guy.

Then we have the LSG/Hoops/BK/Izulde foursome. I still think the vote movement away from LSG is suspicious.

Then there is the fact that hoops seems to be driving the train and he got a villager killed yesterday with a mistake and nearly got another one killed intentionally.

My focus for the day will be on these three. If time permits I might even do a post summary for each of them.

[Barkeep49]

I'm going to dola to add that I really do appreciate path's defense and his complement about my varying my game. It is something I try and do and so it is gratifying to be recognized for that, whether the complement comes from a villager (as I would hope) or a wolf (as I somewhat suspect).

[Barkeep49]

Just got my PM. I have an ingredient of the plant variety.

[LoneStarGirl]

I learned a potion, but not how what is in it or how to use it... I was in the library last night

[Barkeep49]

Quad Dola: My ingredient is on Pass's list and I found it again in the storeroom. It was indicated to me that I found it easily as I knew what I was doing.

[LoneStarGirl]

I feel that we should focus on hoops and Pass today.
Hoops for obvious reasons and Pass because I have asked him about the potions twice and he refuses to answer me.

[Alan T]

All night PMs have been sent out now.

Also one game change, the item knife in the rules has been changed to "ceremonial dagger" in order to prevent confusion between a special type of knife and the regular ole knife that you can find laying around all over in the school

*clarification - there is no items listed in the rules, but someone(s) may or may not have received a recipe listing a knife. That recipe would now show ceremonial dagger instead*

[hoopsguy]

The kitchen sucks. 0-3 now looking there.

[Barkeep49]

I learned a potion, but not how what is in it or how to use it... I was in the library last night
That sounds dangerous for us without knowing who passed it to you. I would have much preferred someone saying that they were making a potion of X and then passing it. I would advise against drinking it LSG before we know what it is.

[Barkeep49]

The kitchen sucks. 0-3 now looking there.
I keep wanting to believe that you are a villager, but then your bad luck continues. And I know for a fact that you lie about these sort of things when you're a wolf. I find it hard to believe, based on my ever increasing luck via the PMs, that your luck really is that rotten. Each day where you claim not to find anything makes me think you are a wolf more and more.

[Poli]

Storeroom again. And I was "worried about what's been going on" and didn't find jack. I may have not known what I was doing and gone through the same stuff.

I did pass Swaggs my yellow flower, so that's disappointing. I passed it at the same time I passed hoops the mercury, so that's double disappointing.

[Barkeep49]

Storeroom again. And I was "worried about what's been going on" and didn't find jack. I may have not known what I was doing and gone through the same stuff.

I did pass Swaggs my yellow flower, so that's disappointing. I passed it at the same time I passed hoops the mercury, so that's double disappointing.
Ardent I can't remember. How many times have you been in the storeroom and how many items have you found? If you have been there 3 times and also not found anything it'll make me go back to looking more closely at LSG and path.

[hoopsguy]

I keep wanting to believe that you are a villager, but then your bad luck continues. And I know for a fact that you lie about these sort of things when you're a wolf. I find it hard to believe, based on my ever increasing luck via the PMs, that your luck really is that rotten. Each day where you claim not to find anything makes me think you are a wolf more and more.

If I was planning to lie, then why would I come out and say that I have a recipe and an ingredient passed to me? I'm planning to move my items today as a show of trust for someone, but I don't see where I would have incentive to lie about anything when I'm under scrutiny. Why would I lie about something that is going to seem suspicious?

My luck has really run that bad searching in the kitchen.

[Poli]

1 for 3. Found the yellow flower the first day.

[RendeR]

I learned a potion, but not how what is in it or how to use it... I was in the library last night


Ok, if you found a recipe it must say what ingredients it requires, otherwise its what? a name? What good would that be?

Granted you may not know how to use it, but you have to know what goes IN it right?

[path12]

Oh, sorry Pass, in post 704 I thought that was you giving your trust list, and I was at the bottom.... but it was path.

704 I was just listing who was still alive. 705 I listed my ranking of those names.

[hoopsguy]

RendeR, did you find anything last night?

[RendeR]

I spent the night in the kitchen, found a silver cup, any thoughts on what that might be used for?

I still have my newt tail and also another tail that was passed to me, does anyone need those? If you have a recipe using them let me know and we'll work out how to swap stuff around to make it.

[RendeR]

ANd please note, the Cup will be gone to another player as I post this! (I am NOT going to make myself a target)

[Passacaglia]

I learned a recipe. If someone can pass me ground up glass fiber, that would be great.

[path12]

I spent the night in the kitchen, found a silver cup, any thoughts on what that might be used for?

I still have my newt tail and also another tail that was passed to me, does anyone need those? If you have a recipe using them let me know and we'll work out how to swap stuff around to make it.

If the cup is like the holy flask I passed to Pass yesterday, it's merely a special container that enhances a potion I believe.

I received Lathum's Eternal Bond recipe and that calls for newt tail.

I also spent the night in the Great Hall and found out more about one of my recipes.

[Passacaglia]

Storeroom again. And I was "worried about what's been going on" and didn't find jack. I may have not known what I was doing and gone through the same stuff.

I did pass Swaggs my yellow flower, so that's disappointing. I passed it at the same time I passed hoops the mercury, so that's double disappointing.

That is kind of bumming, since Lathum said he didn't pass any of his stuff, meaning that Swaggs had his yellow flower.

[Poli]

FWIW, I was not passed anything. I also didn't find anything in the storeroom last night.

I did pass my items to hoops and swaggs.

[path12]

First I want to say that I appreciate path's defense of me. However, in some ways it makes it clear to me that he's a wolf. I don't think a villager would, during the game, be so vocal in defense of someone seen so widely as a bad guy.


Interesting that you would pass me your soured milk then.

As for defending you, I made no claim that I know you're good. I simply think that you were getting heat for something that didn't strike me as out of the ordinary.

I think that as a villager it is just as important to try and sway others off of what I feel might be a red herring as it is to pressure those I think might be wolves.

[Passacaglia]

If the cup is like the holy flask I passed to Pass yesterday, it's merely a special container that enhances a potion I believe.

I received Lathum's Eternal Bond recipe and that calls for newt tail.

I also spent the night in the Great Hall and found out more about one of my recipes.

path, can you explain what you mean, that you found out more about one of your recipes? Like, what the potion does?

[Barkeep49]

If I was planning to lie, then why would I come out and say that I have a recipe and an ingredient passed to me? I'm planning to move my items today as a show of trust for someone, but I don't see where I would have incentive to lie about anything when I'm under scrutiny. Why would I lie about something that is going to seem suspicious?

My luck has really run that bad searching in the kitchen.
You absolutely would tell partial truths and pass things as an attempt to gain trust. I mean I would too, so don't think I'm unfairly criticizing you here, but telling partial truths is absolutely something you do very well as a wolf. In fact your mixing of truth and fiction as a wolf might be the best of any of us who play here.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA -- I would add that others know about having passed you stuff so there's less of a reason to lie. On the otherhand, by not stating what ingredients you have you are able to keep it with-in the wolves allowing you guys to make potions as you see fit.

[path12]

path, can you explain what you mean, that you found out more about one of your recipes? Like, what the potion does?

Yep, I found out how to use the blinding potion.

[Passacaglia]

Yep, I found out how to use the blinding potion.

Do you still have it?

[path12]

My distrust of hoops is based on one solid reason. He is one of the most careful players I know, and does not just 'overlook' something like the mistake yesterday with Lathum.

[path12]

Do you still have it?

Yeah, I was going to pass it to LSG last night, but found out that passing is a daytime action.

[Passacaglia]

You absolutely would tell partial truths and pass things as an attempt to gain trust. I mean I would too, so don't think I'm unfairly criticizing you here, but telling partial truths is absolutely something you do very well as a wolf. In fact your mixing of truth and fiction as a wolf might be the best of any of us who play here.

I agree that wolves will pass items to gain trust, but to what extent? I mean, don't the wolves want to keep these items? At the very least, they'll be a little selective about it, and hopefully we can narrow things down.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, I was going to pass it to LSG last night, but found out that passing is a daytime action.

Why LSG?

[LoneStarGirl]

704 I was just listing who was still alive. 705 I listed my ranking of those names.

I know that now, but I was reading too fast earlier.

[LoneStarGirl]

The new spell I learned was a removing potion spell. I don't know what is in it or how to use it.... but I found it. I dont know what I am supposed to do now with it

[Barkeep49]

The new spell I learned was a removing potion spell. I don't know what is in it or how to use it.... but I found it. I dont know what I am supposed to do now with it
Seems useful to me if there ever start to be spells. I'll be interested to hear if the game has gone as he's expected. My guess is that there has been far fewer spells than he was expecting.

[RendeR]

remove potion or poison?

[Passacaglia]

LSG -- Do you mean you have a remove poison spell?

[Passacaglia]

Ok so WTF? we're getting cut down faster than trees in the great northwest.

I trusted Swaggs, I sortof trust a couple others, but frankly, not much more than I distrust most everyone.

I'm beginning to think the Pass, path, ntn, hoops etc group that has been doing all the real talking may well be the wolves carrying on their own campaign of deceit. (yes granted this is what they're supposed to be doing as thats what wolves do, but man we gotta start somewhere!!)

I don't get how you can trust Swaggs, but not me or path.

[RendeR]

I don't get how you can trust Swaggs, but not me or path.


path is one of the others, I still have this nagging sensation that you're playing a very devious game of data mining and night kill setups...its so open as to seem transparent, and thats what bothers me...

[Barkeep49]

Pass I don't know what I think of you, but I will say that if you are a wolf, then you've played an excellent game and I will likely say the same if you turn out to be a villager. So all in all good job!

[Barkeep49]

path is one of the others, I still have this nagging sensation that you're playing a very devious game of data mining and night kill setups...its so open as to seem transparent, and thats what bothers me...
I know that for a long time I put far more effort into my games as a wolf than as a villager. I don't think that's true anymore but this is an astute observation.

Still, I think we can do better than looking at Pass today, quite honestly. Actually, statistically speaking, we should have a high probability of finding a wolf (1 in 3).

[Barkeep49]

DOLA -- And I'll add that if we don't get today right the game is virtually over as tomorrow it would be 4-3 and the villagers would have to be completely united to lynch a wolf.

[RendeR]

I agree that Pass proabably isn't my main thought today, but he's definitely not in my CoT asyet, its just a nagging feeling that he's playing us all like lutes on a sunday afternoon.

[Barkeep49]

I never realized lutes were played more easily on Sunday afternoons. Render can you play a lute for us? I would like that. You can wait until tomorrow if it's better for you.

[RendeR]

*strums a few bars of "parsley sage rosemary and thyme" and sings along softly*

[RendeR]

And I still have tails, 1 newt 1 lizard, if someone has a recipe that needs them.

[Barkeep49]

Thanks.

[Barkeep49]

I still have something in the plant area if someone needs it for their recipe.

[path12]

Why LSG?

Because she's upper half of my list and she had mold already.

[hoopsguy]

I'm planning on passing all three of my items
- unnamed potion
- mercury
- cactus bulb

to three different players over the course of today, unless someone indicates that they need one of these specifically.

[path12]

Pass I don't know what I think of you, but I will say that if you are a wolf, then you've played an excellent game and I will likely say the same if you turn out to be a villager. So all in all good job!

I agree. I don't feel I'm playing a very good game because I'm really not reading things very clearly at all, but in this game I think you've got to just take a shot and trust some folks. Pass is one of them. If he's bad, then we've just discovered a helluva wolf. I'm willing to be wrong there.

[path12]

I have a recipe that calls for newt tail and vine that I'm willing to try. I'm just missing the ingredients.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, or others who may have knowledge of this, what happened with the potions from yesterday? Did you end up using them and gaining any kind of information from their application? Did you study them further and find out how they can be used?

If you passed them, I don't necessarily need to know where they ended up, but I'm hoping that we generate some kind of value from these items - today, if at all possible.

[Barkeep49]

Path what's the recipe?

[Passacaglia]

Pass I don't know what I think of you, but I will say that if you are a wolf, then you've played an excellent game and I will likely say the same if you turn out to be a villager. So all in all good job!

Thanks. Of course, that's not what you said about me Day 1! :p Glad to hear I've picked it up since then.

[LoneStarGirl]

LSG -- Do you mean you have a remove poison spell?

yes, sorry, a remove poison spell

[Passacaglia]

Path what's the recipe?

The recipe calls just newt tail and vine.

[LoneStarGirl]

I still think our wolves are likely pass and hoops, and probably ardent or path

I still am very inclined to vote Hoopsguy

[Barkeep49]

path: I was asking what the recipe makes, I got that it only has two components to it.

[Passacaglia]

eternal bond potion

[Barkeep49]

eternal bond potion
Ahh. Did we ever decide if this potion was a good idea or not?

[hoopsguy]

Have you learned what it does yet?

If it has a chance of linking two players a la "lovers" then pick two that you think are wolves and let's see what happens with a lynch of one of the two.

Best case - game totally swings with two wolves tied together, we have a 6-1 lead heading into night
Middle case - get one out of two, moves to 5-2 heading into night phase
Worst case - game ends today, 4-3 heading into night and no apparent method to stop them

All assumptions are based on 3 wolves, obviously.

[Chief Rum]

I was in the kitchen last night, and found nothing. Apparently it's just full of junk, and I couldn't possibly start making heads or tails of it. Of course, it said I might do better if I return. Not sure about that.

Anyway, Barkeep is right. We're up against it here. We don't have a wolf lynched or killed. We never had seers or bodyguards, at least not by role. So potions and spells are the only way we can do things that might reveal a wolf. So it's time to use what we got.

If you have a potion, drink it. Or if you think it's bad, throw it at someone. We need to see what happens, because the time to be cautious is gone.

I still have mushrooms and the recipe for Holy Water.

[Poli]

We've got to do something, that's for friggin sure.

[RendeR]

This is going make make me look bad, but:

Where are the potions from yesterday? Pass said something about still having one, but what happened to the other? Which ones were they and can the wolves use them against us?

[Barkeep49]

Have you learned what it does yet?

If it has a chance of linking two players a la "lovers" then pick two that you think are wolves and let's see what happens with a lynch of one of the two.

Best case - game totally swings with two wolves tied together, we have a 6-1 lead heading into night
Middle case - get one out of two, moves to 5-2 heading into night phase
Worst case - game ends today, 4-3 heading into night and no apparent method to stop them

All assumptions are based on 3 wolves, obviously.
I'm OK with this kind of risk at this point, frankly, though if path is a wolf we're handing them the victory.

[ntndeacon]

I was in the library and recieved the recipe for another potion...
I think it might have already been discovered. uses peppers and mold

[ntndeacon]

also would not mind mushrooms and maybe a certain plant (that has been unmentioned as of yet.)

[hoopsguy]

I'm OK with this kind of risk at this point, frankly, though if path is a wolf we're handing them the victory.

If that is the approach we are taking we could demand that he pass it to a player deemed more acceptable. Just not sure what kind of consensus we are likely to generate.

[Poli]

Frankly, the only person I really trust at this point is myself, but we've got to make a move or we're done for.

[Barkeep49]

If that is the approach we are taking we could demand that he pass it to a player deemed more acceptable. Just not sure what kind of consensus we are likely to generate.
Actually I think we could gather consensus around Pass. If Pass was the one doing the bonding I would feel the best about it frankly, though it's of course possible that he's a wolf.

[Poli]

My only concern with either path or pass is I'm starting to wonder if they're both wolves, with someone like render or lsg mixed in.

[Poli]

I wish I had taken a chance and just mixed the mercury and flower and throw it at someone, anyone. I've felt worthless the whole stinking game.

[Barkeep49]

My only concern with either path or pass is I'm starting to wonder if they're both wolves, with someone like render or lsg mixed in.
I think we can make a good case that any two people are wolves. But I trust Pass the most of anyone. If you're opposed to the plan because you can't trust anyone, I understand, but I'm ready for a little risk taking when we're so close to the precipice.

[Passacaglia]

Pass I don't know what I think of you, but I will say that if you are a wolf, then you've played an excellent game and I will likely say the same if you turn out to be a villager. So all in all good job!

I wouldn't call it an excellent game. I've just managed to put myself in the driver's seat this game through getting recipes and items, but in doing so, I think I might have hampered the village's ability to actually bag some wolves.

[Poli]

I think we can make a good case that any two people are wolves. But I trust Pass the most of anyone. If you're opposed to the plan because you can't trust anyone, I understand, but I'm ready for a little risk taking when we're so close to the precipice.
Let's do it then.

I'm out for an hour or two to mow the grass, yippee! Yeah, I'm actually excited to do it.

[hoopsguy]

I want to know what happened with the potions yesterday before moving ahead with this plan. Especially considering that:
1.) I proposed it with
2.) Full knowledge that I was likely to be one of the two picked and
3.) I'm not a wolf, so the other pick had better be right

[Passacaglia]

I can tell you about the holy water potion. I didn't know what to do with it yesterday -- do I pass it? If so, to whom? I trusted Swaggs and path, and ntn a little, but the wolves were equally likely to go after them. In the end, I decided to keep it, thinking the wolves would think I would pass it. Then a little while ago, I threw it at someone.

As for the other potion, last I knew, Swaggs had passed it to path. I think he still has it and knows how to use it (whatever that means). I'm not pressing him any more on that -- I feel comfortable leaving it up to him.

[path12]

I was in the library and recieved the recipe for another potion...
I think it might have already been discovered. uses peppers and mold

Yes, I know that one.

[path12]

Actually I think we could gather consensus around Pass. If Pass was the one doing the bonding I would feel the best about it frankly, though it's of course possible that he's a wolf.

I'm fine with letting Pass do it, though I think the whole plan sounds wolfish to me. They know we have no clue, or worse yet are thinking in wrong directions so why not try and end it right now by encouraging us to pick two wolves?

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[Passacaglia]

Sorry for being dense here -- what are y'all having me do?

[path12]

As for the other potion, last I knew, Swaggs had passed it to path. I think he still has it and knows how to use it (whatever that means). I'm not pressing him any more on that -- I feel comfortable leaving it up to him.

I don't have any potions at all. I've got two recipes and an ingredient.

[path12]

Sorry for being dense here -- what are y'all having me do?

Make the bond potion and pick two wolves with it. Best case we're 6-1, worst we lose the game. We don't even know if the damn thing would be harmful to them or not though. It sounds fishy to me.

[Passacaglia]

Did you used to have a potion, path? I thought Swaggs had implied that he passed you one.

[Passacaglia]

I can try to pick two wolves, although that part of the game (you know, the important one where we actually get wolves) has really gotten away from me.

[hoopsguy]

I'm fine with letting Pass do it, though I think the whole plan sounds wolfish to me. They know we have no clue, or worse yet are thinking in wrong directions so why not try and end it right now by encouraging us to pick two wolves?

VOTE HOOPSGUY

Why would the wolves be in a rush to end it? They are in complete control.

They have three votes today (again, assuming 3) out of 9. We are going to need to be pretty consistent with our vote choice if we want to avoid a bad lynch.

Assuming that the potion works like this (again, speculation) and we have a villager pulling the trigger, our chances of getting at least one wolf in the mix are pretty good.

Eight player, three wolves (villager with potion would not include themself).
Chances of whiffing = 5/8 * 4/7 = 20/56 = 35.7%
Chances of whiffing, if I'm one of the two picked = 4/7 = 57.1%

Either way, I think it is better than our chances of hitting a vote, going against a potential three man team, if there isn't new info coming out.

I'm not going to be at all surprised to get votes today, but it is bad for the village. As long as I'm around, I'm going to try and win the game for the villagers.

[LoneStarGirl]

If anybody has peppers I would like to take it

NTN has a recipe for peppers and mold and if he isn't going to do anything with it, I would like it. I hate people just sitting around and waiting and think we need action. I agree with Chief that we need to do more with what we got

[RendeR]

Lets all remeber also that today doesn't END until tomorrow night at 10, not tonight at 10. Check the schedule in post #2!

[Passacaglia]

While we're requesting things, I'd like to reiterate my request for glass ground fiber.

[RendeR]

How in the world would anyone even make that? DO we have fibr-optics in the school rooms? =)

[Barkeep49]

FTR, Path doesn't just have the recipe. He also has a vine that I sent him.

[RendeR]

He has both ingredients now, or will as soon as Alan updates PM's

[Barkeep49]

*sigh* I hope then he passes them both to Pass.

[Barkeep49]

Hmm. Just thinking a bit about the bonding potion. IT sounds like with potions we don't get an owners manual. Are we sure that the potion doesn't bond the person who is splashed with it to the person who does the splashing? Seems to me the potion is just as likely to be some sort of "brother" role as "lover" role.

[RendeR]

I'm thinking there are a whole bunch of day-actions for alan to sift through when he checks in again. Nothing concrete, just my gut feeling.

[Barkeep49]

I'm thinking there are a whole bunch of day-actions for alan to sift through when he checks in again. Nothing concrete, just my gut feeling.
Fortunately time is on our side.

BTW hey ntn. What do you have to say? You've been pretty in the woodwork for this game.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA time as in the time until lynch.

[path12]

Did you used to have a potion, path? I thought Swaggs had implied that he passed you one.

No, Swaggs passed me the recipe for a potion, not a potion itself. It is for a blinding potion.

[path12]

FTR, Path doesn't just have the recipe. He also has a vine that I sent him.

My PM just said you sent me sour milk, nothing about a vine.

[Barkeep49]

No, Swaggs passed me the recipe for a potion, not a potion itself. It is for a blinding potion.
Path are you on board for conditionally sending a PM to Alan stating that you'll pass what Render and I have given you onto Pass?

[Barkeep49]

My PM just said you sent me sour milk, nothing about a vine.
Sent you sour milk yesterday. The vine has yet to arrive as Alan seems to have some "life" that he's out living.

[path12]

Hmm. Just thinking a bit about the bonding potion. IT sounds like with potions we don't get an owners manual. Are we sure that the potion doesn't bond the person who is splashed with it to the person who does the splashing? Seems to me the potion is just as likely to be some sort of "brother" role as "lover" role.

That's my concern. We have no idea what this does for sure. Hoops was the one who speculated that if we picked two wolves it could harm them.

[path12]

Path are you on board for conditionally sending a PM to Alan stating that you'll pass what Render and I have given you onto Pass?

Yes.

[path12]

Alan seems to have some "life" that he's out living.

Preposterous!

[ntndeacon]

Well, Barkeep. my first thought is that anyone who has a potion should spend the night in the great hall to study it. Just cuz we have these potion recipes and ingredients does not mean we have a clue what they are good for. Some are more obvius than others, we have seen sleeping potions before , iassume they keep the resipient from doing anything at night. how do we use these things?

[Barkeep49]

That's my concern. We have no idea what this does for sure. Hoops was the one who speculated that if we picked two wolves it could harm them.
The more I think about it, the sillier the idea becomes that one potion will bond two people.

[path12]

The more I think about it, the sillier the idea becomes that one potion will bond two people.

Hence my vote. It seemed fishy.

[Swaggs]

Looks like I am out.

Good timing, wolves. :)

This is a great game, Alan.

Good luck guys.

[Barkeep49]

Ok. As of post 870 here is a post recap for path. I hope to do ones for LSG and hoops as well (LSG would be next as she has far fewer posts than hoops) but these are somewhat tiring.


Day 1
72 – Checks in. Has not yet read rules
92 – Prefers lynch to no lynch. Keeps name/ingredient private. Ingredient not yet mentioned
93 – States that I often push for info early
109 – Thinks wolves also have names. Likes idea of “names = opportunity for control”
119 – Votes pass rather than no kill. Would prefer to divulge ingredient over name.
129 – Gives vote update

Day 2
216 – Was in kitchen
217 – “Nobody else was mentioned in my PM.”
219 – Votes for Izulde because of lack of clarification about night action
362 – Reiterates that he was in the kitchen [cronin had stated he did not know where path was]

Night 2
365 – Would have switched off Izulde if he had seen Alan’s statement that not all receive night PMs

Day 3
437 – States that he has peppers
438 – Sates that he has a special container
441 – Says he spent Night 2 in library and got silencing potion recipe
443 – Sates he got the container on night 1 and had peppers to start the game
444 – Says he went to library to try and find info about his container. Will give items to Pass
477 – Post which quotes Swaggs, makes little sense
485 – States the studying items won’t necessarily answer questions (quotes a point hoops was making)
486 – Doesn’t believe withholding information is a reason to vote for someone (in defense of AE)
493 – Misses place in the rules where Great Hall was place to research items
494 – Says mold is an ingredient
517 – Nonsense post
518 – Asks if Pass is aware of pepper/mushroom potion
522 – Says he’ll destroy recipe which names peppers/mushrooms
525 – Nonsense post
552 – Knows recipe with mold and plans to pass that recipe
559 – Having tough time with vote
560 – Agrees with LSG that everyone feels like they’re going to die overnight
577 – Votes for CR. States that he doesn’t know of any COT
581 – Votes Lathum after hoops ‘finds’ contradiction. Is out until after deadline.

Night 3
702 – States that I am not playing unusually for me.
703 – Again states he knows recipe involving mold. Has thoughts about voting but will wait until after night actions
704 – Lists names of players and states wolves are out playing villagers
705 – Ranks players from best to worst:
Passacaglia
Swaggs
Barkeep49
LoneStarGirl
RendeR
ntndeacon
Ardent Enthusiast
Chief Rum
hoopsguy

Day 4
777 – Clarifies posts 704 vs 705 for LSG
782 – States that he passes holy flask to Pass. Received Eternal Bond recipe. Found out more about one of his recipes.
785 -- Back tracks on defense of me. States as “villager it is just as important to try and sway others off of what I feel might be a red herring”
789 – Found out how to use blinding potion
791 – Distrusts hoops because of how careful he is. Does not believe Lathum incident was n innocent mistake
792 – Still has recipe as passing is a daytime action
811 – Was going to pass recipe to LSG as she was on upper half of trust list and had mold already
813 – Doesn’t think he’s playing good game. Feels you have to trust some. Pass is one of them.
814 – Is willing to try recipe which calls for vine and newt tail if he gets the ingredients
841 – States that he knows recipe NTN found
842 – Thinks hoops plan to use potion is wolfish. Agrees to let Pass do it. Votes for hoops
844 – States he only has two recipes and an ingredient
845 – Restates hoops plan to Pass. Continues to express skepticism
860 – States Swaggs passed path blinding potion recipe
861 – States he only got sour milk from me, not vine [in response to my stating I’d sent him a vine]
864 – Agrees with me that we don’t know what the potion does. We only have hoops’ speculation
865 – Agrees again to pass ingredients from Render and I to Pass
866 – Unimportant post
869 – Agrees with me that one potion is unlikely to bond two people. Restates this is his reason for voting for hoops.

[Poli]

You know, after reading the beginning of that holy cow study/log, I had forgot about the whole name thing.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, we've really dropped the name thing in favor of other junk, for better or worse. Do you have any ideas of what to do about it, AE?

[Passacaglia]

I'm a bit surprised that path never got that blinding potion. I really thought Swaggs had planned to pass it to him. Hopefully he passed it to someone else? If that happened, you don't have to speak up or anything, but path -- do you think it might be wise to announce how to use it? I'm pretty sure Swaggs made the potion -- you passed me an ingredient for it, which I passed to him, and he had another ingredient to make it. So hopefully Swaggs passed it to someone he trusted. If not, the wolves must have it.

[Poli]

Yeah, we've really dropped the name thing in favor of other junk, for better or worse. Do you have any ideas of what to do about it, AE?
I don't. Heck, I'd have to look mine up. It's something like tonofagun...something kind of retarded...tona something or other.

[hoopsguy]

OK, I feel like I've given the other person who passed me an item enough time to mention it by now.

NTN, why did you pass me a potion last night?

[Alan T]

Talk continues during the day about the best path to take in rooting out the evil sect from the school. Various debate occurs from topics such as who the sect members might be, to how to use the potions, to who should get what ingredients...

Suddenly the conversation is halted as Passacaglia walks into the middle of the room and grabs a small glass full of some liquid out. He takes it, looks at it for a second and then chucks it across the room, hitting Barkeep square in the side of the head...

"Ow!" Barkeep responds as the glass breaks and he suddenly is covered with this liquid... Before everyone's eyes the oddest thing happens however... smoke appears out of nowhere, engulfing Barkeep entirely. You suddenly hear the sound of what appears to be harps playing and the room lights up tremendously bright...

Then as sudden as it began, it ends. Barkeep stands there before all of you apparently unharmed, unchanged and completely drenched. Perhaps now is a good time to continue your discussions.

Game note, I have processed all PMs that I have received. Sorry about being gone for a while, have family in town for a few days so we went out for a bit today. :) I'll likely be gone a good bit tommorrow as well due to this fabled "real life". The same thing still applies however that I'll accept all day time PMs until deadline as well as any reasonable conditional orders. Deadline is still 10pm EST tommorrow night (sunday night)

[st.cronin]

lol

I <3 Alan T.

[Poli]

If that don't clear ya, I don't know what does.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, can you tell us what potion you threw at BK?

[RendeR]

I'm going to assume that was the holy water?

ANd yes, that would appear to clear BK completely in my book =)

[Barkeep49]

Pass it seems like you just wasted a potion. I presume this was one where you just mixed ingredients to see what would happen?

[Poli]

Come on dude. Doesn't that look like "holy" water?

[Barkeep49]

Frankly I'm less than happy about being completely cleared.

[Barkeep49]

I would argue holy water doesn't tell us jack about wolves in this game as the bad guys appear to just be bad humans.

[Poli]

Maybe I'm the only one that got that. The harps playing or whatever tipped me off.

[Poli]

I would argue holy water doesn't tell us jack about wolves in this game as the bad guys appear to just be bad humans.
Heh, I never thought of it that way.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, it was holy water. I dunno if it cleared you -- my guess is that it more than likely protected you. You guys know what I know, really.

Also, if all PMs are processed, for the record, no one has passed me anything today.

[Passacaglia]

Frankly I'm less than happy about being completely cleared.

Me too. I was kind of hoping it would kill you! :p

[Passacaglia]

Pass it seems like you just wasted a potion. I presume this was one where you just mixed ingredients to see what would happen?

Also, for the record, I have never done this. I don't know where you got the idea that I had.

[Barkeep49]

Me too. I was kind of hoping it would kill you! :p
Thing is even if I WAS bad it wouldn't kill me. Jeez. I feel assaulted. Violated. About to be killed.

[Barkeep49]

Also, for the record, I have never done this. I don't know where you got the idea that I had.
I figured you'd done something besides just doused me with the holy water. That there was some other effect.

Hopefully path will come through for us soon with the passing of ingredients to you.

[Passacaglia]

Thing is even if I WAS bad it wouldn't kill me. Jeez. I feel assaulted. Violated. About to be killed.

I guess I didn't know that. Did you know something about the holy water that I didn't?

[Barkeep49]

I guess I didn't know that. Did you know something about the holy water that I didn't?
No. Just guessing from what has been posted here.

[Poli]

Color me confused.

[Barkeep49]

Color me confused.
I have a learning disability that makes me a terrible colorer. Perhaps I could just try to clarify instead?

[Poli]

You could try the color 9. That always works for me.

[Passacaglia]

Shoot, I'm sorry if clearing you does get you dead, BK. Hopefully in death, you help us get lower the suspect list, to help us catch wolves down the road.

[Barkeep49]

Shoot, I'm sorry if clearing you does get you dead, BK. Hopefully in death, you help us get lower the suspect list, to help us catch wolves down the road.
Oh it's good for the village, no doubt. It's just that I don't feel like I've won if the village wins and I'm a dead villager.

[Passacaglia]

Oh it's good for the village, no doubt. It's just that I don't feel like I've won if the village wins and I'm a dead villager.

I see what you mean -- although when that happens to me, I look at whether or not I helped the village win, either in life or in the act of dying, to determine whether I've won. For example, at some point Friday morning, I had it all planned to take one for the team, and pass everything I had to Swaggs, even though I said in the thread that I received all the stuff he sent me. When path showed up, that changed the plan. But anyway, I think you can die and still claim a victory.

[Chief Rum]

While we're requesting things, I'd like to reiterate my request for glass ground fiber.

Umm, wouldn't let's say an artificial lens be something that could be ground into glass fiber?

[Chief Rum]

Pass it seems like you just wasted a potion. I presume this was one where you just mixed ingredients to see what would happen?

What waste? We have a lock now for someone not being a wolf. This is a step in the right direction. Let's not knock it just because it didn't kill/unveil a wolf.

[Chief Rum]

Oh it's good for the village, no doubt. It's just that I don't feel like I've won if the village wins and I'm a dead villager.

Heh heh that's your problem. :) Myself, I don't care if I die if I helped the village win. Don't be getting selfish now. ;)

[path12]

I'm a bit surprised that path never got that blinding potion. I really thought Swaggs had planned to pass it to him. Hopefully he passed it to someone else? If that happened, you don't have to speak up or anything, but path -- do you think it might be wise to announce how to use it? I'm pretty sure Swaggs made the potion -- you passed me an ingredient for it, which I passed to him, and he had another ingredient to make it. So hopefully Swaggs passed it to someone he trusted. If not, the wolves must have it.

Then I'd rather not say how to use it.

[path12]

I figured you'd done something besides just doused me with the holy water. That there was some other effect.

Hopefully path will come through for us soon with the passing of ingredients to you.

Just sent the PM.

[path12]

What waste? We have a lock now for someone not being a wolf. This is a step in the right direction. Let's not knock it just because it didn't kill/unveil a wolf.

Aren't we throwing around the word 'lock' fairly easily? The holy water might protect him, we don't know do we?

[Chief Rum]

Aren't we throwing around the word 'lock' fairly easily? The holy water might protect him, we don't know do we?

Who's talking about protection? Fact is, holy water plus evil is usually a bad thing for evil. Ergo, BK is likely not evil. And since Pass would probably be thinking the same thing, he likely isn't a wolf either because it would make more sense as a wolf to just keep that potentially dangerous potion in wolf hands.

For at least a day, IMO, it likely removes two people from our lynch discussions. There are nine of us left, and the general reasoning has been probably three wolves. So that means we have a 3/7 chance of finding a wolf today--I will take those odds right now.

And there's still more we may be able to do with other potions and ingredients before this day ends. We get one wolf--just one--and we likely knock over the domino that will point us to the rest of them.

If BK is protected, too, well, that's just a bonus.

[path12]

For at least a day, IMO, it likely removes two people from our lynch discussions. There are nine of us left, and the general reasoning has been probably three wolves. So that means we have a 3/7 chance of finding a wolf today--I will take those odds right now.

I don't mind leaving Barkeep out of the voting conversation today for reasons I've previously stated. I just questioned the idea of saying he is now proven good. Elevated chance, sure. Proven, no.

[Chief Rum]

I don't mind leaving Barkeep out of the voting conversation today for reasons I've previously stated. I just questioned the idea of saying he is now proven good. Elevated chance, sure. Proven, no.

Isn't that semantics though? Is it 100% sure? I suppose not. We don't really know exactly what Holy Water does or what effect it has on good or bad. But we can make a pretty reasonable guess based on the traditionally good nature of Holy Water, and I hardly think something that brings up angels and harp music when it's around someone is an indication that person is bad.

Until further evidence comes out to suggest he is not good, I am fairly confident we can rule BK out of our calculations for who is a wolf.

[Passacaglia]

hoops, I see you in this thread -- you'd been pretty suspicious of BK up to this point -- thoughts?

[hoopsguy]

OK, I've made up my mind where my vote is heading today.

Path has earned himself an elevated position of trust through the passing of items this game. However, when looking closely at the actions in Day 3, heading into Night 3, you can build a strong case for him as a wolf.

1.) He knows Pass has items, as this has been announced in the thread. Holy water is one of these items, something that just might concern the wolves, no?
2.) Potions are passed as a day action, results are received prior to night completion
3.) Path doesn't get notice on receiving the potion of holy water, so who else might have it given that Pass said he was going to move the item
4.) Kill Swaggs

However, Pass held the potion thus foiling that plan. They still took out a largely trusted villager, while retaining a villager that trusts Path nearly completely. So it isn't a waste, but the holy water was still in play. And has now been used, pseudo-clearing both Pass and BK for today. That isn't the result they are looking to achieve.

VOTE PATH12

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I think BK was exactly the right person to test. Because it provides - for me, at least - clarity about Day 3. There were late votes coming in for him that comdemned Lathum to death. We know that those were not orchestrated by the wolves to save one of their own if the Holy Water works the way we think it does. Which means Day 3 just sucked and that at least three of the four people in Day 2 were villagers (LSG as the sole person who is not determined for me, I recognize the rest of you do not know that I'm a villager).

[Passacaglia]

So I take it this means BK is cleared in your mind as well?

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I'm making that assumption for today. It requires a bit of a leap of faith that holy water helps us and hurts them, which seems reasonable to me.

[hoopsguy]

Going through Barkeep's list of posts by Path, he left out a detail in #92:

"laying the groundwork early" in response to Lathum saying I'm likely a wolf if I'm around on Day 3. We now know that Lathum was a villager. This statement set off some minor alarms for me at the time towards Path, since I didn't see a reason for him to defend me. Similar to how Barkeep felt yesterday that Path didn't have reason to defend him for playing his normal game when others didn't see it.

In post #814 he is willing to try to make the eternal bond potion if he gets the ingredients. In post #842 he thinks that I'm being "wolfish" by suggesting that we try naming two people and that he isn't the one listing the names and I get his vote.

[Passacaglia]

In all fairness to path, he did pass me the ingredients for the eternal bond potion. I guess the village might have been pressuring him to do it, though.

So far I know that path has passed to the village:
the holy flask (used for making holy water)
newt tail and vine (used for eternal bond potion)

And maybe the peppers. That's a lot to pass.

[Passacaglia]

Checking my PMs, he definitely sent me the peppers. Going back into the thread, I'm wondering if Swaggs didn't notice that I passed them to him.

[hoopsguy]

Passing items is worth it if it
- buys trust, which means you might get them back
- know where to go to get them if you need them, given public/small trust lists

I'll go searching for order of posts this afternoon (about to disappear for a few hours) but wasn't Swaggs the first person to work with you, and Path joined in afterwards?

[Passacaglia]

Passing items is worth it if it
- buys trust, which means you might get them back
- know where to go to get them if you need them, given public/small trust lists

I'll go searching for order of posts this afternoon (about to disappear for a few hours) but wasn't Swaggs the first person to work with you, and Path joined in afterwards?

Yes, that's right.

[Barkeep49]

I really want to examine the posts of LSG and hoops, but I am leaning towards voting for path as well. His reactions just seem a little off the whole game, especially as he became more prominent in Day 4.

[Passacaglia]

Umm, wouldn't let's say an artificial lens be something that could be ground into glass fiber?

I don't believe so. I'm pretty sure they're separate things.

[Poli]

Heading out for two birthday party things. Not sure when I'll be back.

[Chief Rum]

Heading out for two birthday party things. Not sure when I'll be back.

Lemme guess, kids' birthday parties, kids of "couple-friends" of you and your wife?

Did I mention before how strenuously I am avoiding marriage? :D

[Chief Rum]

Pass, I think BK was exactly the right person to test. Because it provides - for me, at least - clarity about Day 3. There were late votes coming in for him that comdemned Lathum to death. We know that those were not orchestrated by the wolves to save one of their own if the Holy Water works the way we think it does. Which means Day 3 just sucked and that at least three of the four people in Day 2 were villagers (LSG as the sole person who is not determined for me, I recognize the rest of you do not know that I'm a villager).

Well, it removes the wolfish element from the late vote on Day Two, yes, as it would be supposed if Barkeep is not a wolf (as it appears) that saving a wolf is not a reason for the late run or switching of votes. I wouldn't say it clears us involved, though. If a player was a wolf but simply holding his vote for some other reason or maybe because he really wasn't certain who to go for (after all, if you're a wolf and there's a fight between two villagers in a vcote, is it at all clear who you should vote for? not necessarily...), then a late voter could still be a wolf. Not saying there isn't some grounding for your theory on that part, but I would advise caution making assumptions on that basis.

As for path, I'm up in the air on that. I'm not sure how much we have to go on here, but am listening to the theory and will try to work out some things myself. One thing that bothers me is that, hoops, you are not some person cleared in my mind at all, and my fear is (as a potential wolf), you might actually be attempting to steer us all in the direction of a villager.

But I am listening to all viewpoints at the moment.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am going to go ahead and vote hoops and hope that we have a run off today between path and hoops, both of which I think are wolves

vote hoopsguy

[Passacaglia]

LSG, can you run down your argument for hoops again? You've been on him for a while now, and I forget why.

[RendeR]

LSG, can you run down your argument for hoops again? You've been on him for a while now, and I forget why.

We're past day 2 and he's still alive? ;)

[Passacaglia]

We're past day 2 and he's still alive? ;)

Right. I guess I was hoping for something more serious than that from her. Plus, she's been accusing him since well before Day 2.

[hoopsguy]

Well, it removes the wolfish element from the late vote on Day Two, yes, as it would be supposed if Barkeep is not a wolf (as it appears) that saving a wolf is not a reason for the late run or switching of votes. I wouldn't say it clears us involved, though. If a player was a wolf but simply holding his vote for some other reason or maybe because he really wasn't certain who to go for (after all, if you're a wolf and there's a fight between two villagers in a vcote, is it at all clear who you should vote for? not necessarily...), then a late voter could still be a wolf. Not saying there isn't some grounding for your theory on that part, but I would advise caution making assumptions on that basis.

As for path, I'm up in the air on that. I'm not sure how much we have to go on here, but am listening to the theory and will try to work out some things myself. One thing that bothers me is that, hoops, you are not some person cleared in my mind at all, and my fear is (as a potential wolf), you might actually be attempting to steer us all in the direction of a villager.

But I am listening to all viewpoints at the moment.

Right, it doesn't absolve late votes from being wolves, per se, but reduces their motivation to rig the vote. If we had seen something different with BK + holy water, then we would have to look really hard at the Day 3 (and Day 2) votes.

[LoneStarGirl]

After what happened with Lathum, I don't know why everybody isn't suspicious of Hoops. I think that Path is a wolf too, and if need be, I will switch my vote to him later today, but I would like more people to put pressure on Hoops.

[LoneStarGirl]

Also nobody has really questioned ntndeacon and he has been very quiet as of late... maybe pressure needs to be put on him also

[path12]

OK, I've made up my mind where my vote is heading today.

Path has earned himself an elevated position of trust through the passing of items this game. However, when looking closely at the actions in Day 3, heading into Night 3, you can build a strong case for him as a wolf.

1.) He knows Pass has items, as this has been announced in the thread. Holy water is one of these items, something that just might concern the wolves, no?
2.) Potions are passed as a day action, results are received prior to night completion
3.) Path doesn't get notice on receiving the potion of holy water, so who else might have it given that Pass said he was going to move the item
4.) Kill Swaggs

However, Pass held the potion thus foiling that plan. They still took out a largely trusted villager, while retaining a villager that trusts Path nearly completely. So it isn't a waste, but the holy water was still in play. And has now been used, pseudo-clearing both Pass and BK for today. That isn't the result they are looking to achieve.

I feel even better now about my vote for hoops. Again, one of our most careful players has just made two misstatements:

1) The only reason we have holy water is because I passed the holy flask to Pass. If I was a wolf, there was really no reason for me to introduce that into the game.

3) The potion that Pass thought Swaggs passed to me was blinding potion, not holy water. A flat out misstatement used to justify his vote on me.

I'm very confident that hoops is a wolf.

[path12]

Dola, but going forward I see he is either swaying some folks with another false argument (as with Lathum), or else he has some fellow wolves trying to point the finger in my direction since he knows I'm onto something.

When you're deciding whether to vote me, go back through Barkeeps log of my posts. I maintain there is nothing there that says anything but a villager.

If you still want to vote me, fine. We're probably losing the game anyway.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well path... you do make a convincing argument for yourself, so I won't be voting for you today

[LoneStarGirl]

I really wish you would have passed me your ingredients path... We have only used one spell/potion all game, I know this isn't what Alant had planned for this game

[Barkeep49]

I really wish you would have passed me your ingredients path... We have only used one spell/potion all game, I know this isn't what Alant had planned for this game
I gotta tell you LSG that I think you're a wolf. I don't know if the votes are there today to vote you off, but I think that I wish that they were. Your posts this afternoon just scream wolf to me.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA -- I'm going to go back and do a post recap of hoops.

[hoopsguy]

Path, if you want to try and get into a game of semantics to discredit what I'm saying, that is certainly your perogative. However, this has nothing to do with Pass thinking Swaggs was passing you a potion. It has to do with you not ending up with the holy water -which you had knowledge of prior to the night actions - and then acting in a manner to simultaneously take out a trusted player and go hunting for items.

The act of passing the items is considerate and all, but it really doesn't mean all that much if you think you can just go retrieve them before they are used. Which is what I position that you intended with the public passing of the flask. Buy the trust, then take the item back ASAP.

If I was just trying to build an argument for who I think I should go after to try and live another day, I don't think you are the best choice. But I'm going after the person who has the most to gain by the wolves play, and whose play I can associate with the game I've seen the wolves run up to this point.

I didn't ever think I was going to convince you that you are a wolf. Either you are, and you know exactly what team we are both on, or you aren't in which case I'm wrong again and you obviously should object. Either way, of course you are going to take my approach as justifying your vote for me.

LSG is a lost cause this game in my eyes. If she isn't a wolf, then her fixation on me being alive past Day 2 and all that crap is completely driving bad decisions. However, there are still plenty of others here who can try to make the right decision between now and the deadline. First, figure out if I'm wolf/not wolf. If the latter, then lets work together to see if this game is still salvageable. I think it is, and I think it starts with taking out Path today.

[Barkeep49]

Still going through the 100+ posts of hoops (I'm on Day 3). But LSG is looking more and more suspicious as I go back and see some of her posts as I do the recap on hoops. I'm going to go that way with my vote for the moment.

Vote LSG

[RendeR]

(begin diehard impersonation) I got me a real bad headache(/end impression)

I will in in and out all night, no idea if I'll be on around deadline time or not, I got a migraine thats blacking out my right eye currently (c'mon excedrin migraine...)

Currently the two people that seem the most suspicious in everyone's eyes (including mine) are hoops and LSG, I've had a real bad feeling about LSG all game long (note my votes for her on earlier days before popular sentiment caused me to change votes later on)

I'm going to stick with my guts on this and keep my early vote today on her:

VOTE LSG

[Passacaglia]

I'm going to put in a vote on hoops. I really think he's barking up the wrong tree with path, and in a very misinformed manner.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[LoneStarGirl]

LSG is a lost cause this game in my eyes. If she isn't a wolf, then her fixation on me being alive past Day 2 and all that crap is completely driving bad decisions. However, there are still plenty of others here who can try to make the right decision between now and the deadline. First, figure out if I'm wolf/not wolf. If the latter, then lets work together to see if this game is still salvageable. I think it is, and I think it starts with taking out Path today.

If I ever said that I was voting for you because you were alive past day two, (which I might have, but I dont remember and dont feel like looking) it was a joke. I am tired of people following you because you are Hoopsguy and believing every piece of BS you throw out there. Just because I don't have the time or patience to go through and analyze every post like you and Barkeep, doesn't mean that what I say or believe is crap. You made a big mistake with Lathum and people have already forgiven and forgotten... but if I would have done that, or ntn or path, we would be on the chopping block right now.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, do you still believe that your entire COT from earlier was wolf-free when we are down to nine players?

Help me understand why you think I'm barking up the wrong tree with Path. I want the conversation around this, both for the benefit of today and for the next day of action whether I'm around or not.

[Barkeep49]

Ok I got up until today with hoop's post recap and I will be leaving work soon so I will likely finish later. I do feel much better about hoops though I will point out that Swaggs was pretty fericously anti-hoops and Swaggs is now dead, just as DT was on D1 and DT ended up dead. But like I said I feel slightly better about hoops after what has transpired during D4 and after doing this recap.


Day 1
58 – Says he has name an item but doesn’t want to say what they are
64 – In response to me says there are pro/cons to item reveal. Is concerned about giving wolves a roadmap. Generally favors free information just not in this game.
66 – Is also concerned about reveal names due to power in magical cultures
96 – Feels that there is only between 10-20% of finding wolf [favoring no lynch]
97 – Wishes there had been a Night 0

Night 1
142 – Wants his no vote considered a vote for no lynch. Claims to not really understand impact of rules

Day 2
150 – Was in kitchen and found nothing. Asks Pass questions about how recipes work
158 – Suggests if people are going to help Pass not to post about it in thread. Suggests eternal bond as lovers potion
168 – Agrees with CR that PM suggests future kitchen searches to be more successful
190 – Suggests I drop my no lynch questions
192 – Asks if recipe is a potion or magic item
215 – Says that DT was more likely killed for his ingredient than because DT was suspicious of him
224 – Got no idea of who else was in the kitchen
225 – Suggests location of DT’s body is important
236 – Asks if item passing is done in “real time” or at end of day
242 – Asks what happens to items of lynched person
244 – Beginning to think name is not important
245 – Thinks a villager who is going to lynch passes items rather than risk a random dispersal
247 – Wonders where everyone went
250 – Asks how wolves would have played with their information (report vs not report)
258 – Clarifying that I did not see anyone in my PM
260 – Lists what everyone has posted about their night results
261 – Asks Ardent and I if we saw each other
265 – Defending against a vote says he doesn’t have a cool role but that he is a conversation starter
267 – Explains to LSG that he didn’t realize that she had also failed to send in an order
270 – Feels that putting out info about who has done what is helpful to village [vs. keeping this to himself[
273 – Reviews all the Izulde related posts
277 – Vote count
309 – Feels I have been close to the vest. Is interested in the fact that others have suspected me
310 – Encourages Izulde to pass items before he’s lynched
316 – Thinks LSG is more likely wolf than Izulde.
317 – Is closely scrutinizing me and path over current vote leaders
326 – Asks who I trust
336 – Feels that I am off track with my assumptions about him
338 – Votes for LSG and gives vote count
342 – Fixes mistake from vote count
343 – Leaving vote on LSG, distrusts her more than me
346 – Feels she has multiple posts ignoring run on Izulde
352 – Sent in conditional order to pass item if he’s tied or in the lead
259 – Unimportant post

Night 2
370 – Explains to LSG that his vote on her was not throw away as she had multiple votes when he cast his vote
372 – Explains to path that path is suspicious from Day 1

Day 3
389 – Found nothing in the kitchen again
390 – Would like explanation for why Lathum voted for him
392 – Would laugh if Day 1 after Lathum votes for him with no explanation in 391
395 – States when he is bad guy biggest goal is to randomize results in eyes of the good guys. Also points out that he more frequently is dead by Day 3 when Lathum is a wolf
399 – Encourages Lathum to think of risk/reward of voting him out
400 – Encourages Pass to use judgment about making recipe publicly available
414 – Thinks cronin was killed for destroying recipe. Is reluctant to name his starting ingredient
423 – Names starting ingredient as cactus bulb and states he will be giving it away by end of the day
430 – Explains again he has no items and that the second search was more likely to result in something
433 – Encourages people not to be afraid to move items to Pass as they can be moved again
434 – Posts information about rooms/people/items
445 – Thinks the game is about to be interesting [as path is passing Pass container]
472 – Doesn’t think bad guys are anything but humans. Suggests holy water might be a tone time seer
481 – Thinks there is overlap in spells/potions
482 – Thinks holy shield would include using holy water
510 – Tells Pass that yellow flower counts as an item
534 – Is less opinionated about vote than on D2. Assumes Pass is a good guy. Gives elevated trust to those who have helped pass, Swaggs and path. One of the four D2 people was a wolf. Wants to know why LSG got leeway for yesterday
541 – Asks if I think that it was four villagers on D2
542 – Explains about leeway for LSG: People removed votes from her but not Izulde after Alan clarified rule regarding not receiving a PM
549 – Shows LSG that when he voted for her that she was still in contention
553 – Gives Izulde vs LSG timeline. Asks LSG if she’s voting for him because of his vote on her or because she suspects him
566 – States that while he is wrong frequently he is willing to reevaluate his assumptions fairly quickly
569 – Asks Pass if he made something besides holy water
579 – Lists posts which caught his eye. Seems to find contradiction by Lathum
580 – Vote count
582 – Suggests Lathum could have been playing it close to the vest
585 – Suggests to Swaggs that I have been inconsistent for several days but he hasn’t pulled the trigger
586 – States that Izulde was always in vote lead on Day 2
589 – Votes for Lathum
593 – Vote count
597 – Admits he misread Lathum’s post. Votes for me
606 – Insists Lathum mistake was honest and is why he gives post # so info can be validated
612 – Vote count
617 – Says Swaggs should vote for him if Swaggs feels like hoops was double crossing
618 – Vote count
626 – Points out that AE and Chief still haven’t voted and I can move my vote
641 – Vote count for 9:59 and 10:00
649 – Gives reasons for voting for me. I pushed for info on Day1 but didn’t reveal on Day 2. Had better flow of info on D3
651 – Thinks it will be 10:00 vote count

Night 3
711 – Is confident that he will not be night killed
713 – Unimportant post
724 – Explains why he would be a bad night kill after yesterday’s Lathum controversy
743 – States he was passed a recipe and ingredient by two different players.
745 – Is happy to say who passed things to him
746 – Wonders why NTN is on Pass’s trust list
749 – I’m not sure what this post is referring to. I believe it is something to do with Pas
751 – Wants to know if Pass will talk about what he did with the potions

[LoneStarGirl]

I gotta tell you LSG that I think you're a wolf. I don't know if the votes are there today to vote you off, but I think that I wish that they were. Your posts this afternoon just scream wolf to me.

and Barkeep, in all the games I have ever played I dont think I have ever said anything that screamed wolf, I dont know how to be a wolf, just like I obviously dont know how to be a villager. You are wrong here bud.

[Barkeep49]

I want to be very clear: My vote is on LSG but I believe both she and path are wolves. Just feel stronger about LSG.

I do think she has a fair point, however, that hoops has gotten off pretty lightly for his mistake. Of course I now think hoops is a good guy so I'm not sure what all that point has accomplished :)

[LoneStarGirl]

We have all pointed fingers at path, hoops, bk, me and a little at Pass but we have basically ignored NTN, AE, Chief and Render. One of those four have to be a wolf that is just staying out of our way. And from what I know about playing wolf with ntndeacon in that Marvel Comics game, he is a great wolf because he likes to stay out of the limelight.

[Barkeep49]

and Barkeep, in all the games I have ever played I dont think I have ever said anything that screamed wolf, I dont know how to be a wolf, just like I obviously dont know how to be a villager. You are wrong here bud.
I don't think you're a bad player.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, do you still believe that your entire COT from earlier was wolf-free when we are down to nine players?

Help me understand why you think I'm barking up the wrong tree with Path. I want the conversation around this, both for the benefit of today and for the next day of action whether I'm around or not.

Yes. I don't know why you thought path said anything about having the holy water, but it was always me who had it. Path sent a bunch of things, without question, and didn't ask for anything back. I guess my thinking is that he's done so much to help the village (gave us an ingredient for the holy water that I used, gave me an ingredient for the blinding potion, gave me both ingredients for eternal bond potion), so much more than several other people around here, it's hard to be looking at him as a wolf.

[Barkeep49]

We have all pointed fingers at path, hoops, bk, me and a little at Pass but we have basically ignored NTN, AE, Chief and Render. One of those four have to be a wolf that is just staying out of our way. And from what I know about playing wolf with ntndeacon in that Marvel Comics game, he is a great wolf because he likes to stay out of the limelight.
I agree that we have 1 if not two wolves in that list. And if we get a wolf today I think going after that group tomorrow would be helpful.

[LoneStarGirl]

What is the vote count?

2 on me and 2 on hoops?

[LoneStarGirl]

If you go after me you will not get a wolf and tomorrow is hopeless.

Render, why are you voting for me? Please don't tell me its because of what Hoops said about me

[Passacaglia]

If I ever said that I was voting for you because you were alive past day two, (which I might have, but I dont remember and dont feel like looking) it was a joke. I am tired of people following you because you are Hoopsguy and believing every piece of BS you throw out there. Just because I don't have the time or patience to go through and analyze every post like you and Barkeep, doesn't mean that what I say or believe is crap. You made a big mistake with Lathum and people have already forgiven and forgotten... but if I would have done that, or ntn or path, we would be on the chopping block right now.

I don't think anyone is accusing you based on a lack of analysis on your part. However, from where I'm sitting, you've thrown out seemingly random accusations on something like five people (I don't have the time and patience to look back and count them all exactly) with very little reason why. On the other hand, I don't think anyone is following him because he is hoopsguy -- for the most part, I think hoopsguy is lagging behind here, still trying to figure out a lot of what's gone on.

Anyway, my hunch is that both hoops and LSG are wolves. I've put in a conditional order to throw my eternal bond potion at LSG. Hopefully she's a wolf, and this makes the wolves not want to kill me. But I'm thinking the best course of action is a vote for hoops, and bonding me with LSG.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am all for it pass. Do whatever you think is necessary to prove I am a villager. I hate that it wastes one of our potions, but I can live with that plan.

And I don't think I have thrown accusations at 5 players. The only player I have been set on from the beginning was Hoops. I might have made some suggestions about you and Path but never thrown accusations. Especially not 'seemingly random accusations'

[hoopsguy]

If I ever said that I was voting for you because you were alive past day two, (which I might have, but I dont remember and dont feel like looking) it was a joke. I am tired of people following you because you are Hoopsguy and believing every piece of BS you throw out there. Just because I don't have the time or patience to go through and analyze every post like you and Barkeep, doesn't mean that what I say or believe is crap. You made a big mistake with Lathum and people have already forgiven and forgotten... but if I would have done that, or ntn or path, we would be on the chopping block right now.

I don't tell people to follow me because "I'm Hoopsguy!", but I do post, often in excruciating detail, what my thought process is during the game. I believe it is easier to get people to follow your actions if they understand your thought process.

If you don't have the "time or patience" to go through posts then why do you seem to resent BK and I for doing it? I would think our efforts would make it easier to extract value from your limited time to play the game.

If people seem to have "forgiven and forgotten" the Lathum incident, perhaps it is because they recognize that 1.) there was no incentive to make a play like that at Lathum yesterday 2.) the actually believe what I posted, that I made a mistake and felt lousy about it?

[LoneStarGirl]

I am waiting for Barkeep's long analysis of my posts like he has done for hoops and path

[LoneStarGirl]

I don't tell people to follow me because "I'm Hoopsguy!", but I do post, often in excruciating detail, what my thought process is during the game. I believe it is easier to get people to follow your actions if they understand your thought process.

If you don't have the "time or patience" to go through posts then why do you seem to resent BK and I for doing it? I would think our efforts would make it easier to extract value from your limited time to play the game.

If people seem to have "forgiven and forgotten" the Lathum incident, perhaps it is because they recognize that 1.) there was no incentive to make a play like that at Lathum yesterday 2.) the actually believe what I posted, that I made a mistake and felt lousy about it?

I never said that you tell people to follow you. They just do because they realize you are such a good player. And I dont resent y'all for going through and analyzing the posts, except when you get things wrong, like you did with Lathum. I could be wrong and you could be a villager who made a mistake, and if that is the case then I will say 'sorry hoopsguy' after the game is over... but right now I think you are a wolf.

[hoopsguy]

Votes, as of Post #956:

Hoops - Path (842), LSG (925), Pass (941)
Path - Hoops (911)
LSG - Barkeep (939), RendeR (940)

[ntndeacon]

OK, I feel like I've given the other person who passed me an item enough time to mention it by now.

NTN, why did you pass me a potion last night?

I passed you that recipe, because I thought it better to share it with someone I thought wasn't a wolf/sect member. And if I always passed to the same person, that would make them a bigger target. so I thought I should spread out who I pass to.

[LoneStarGirl]

And Barkeep, I am sorry if my post where I asked path for his ingredients 'screams wolf' to you but I have 3 things that I dont know what to do with, that nobody wants, and I feel the game would be a lot more interesting during this long weekend if we threw stuff at one another and cast spells.

[hoopsguy]

Yes. I don't know why you thought path said anything about having the holy water, but it was always me who had it. Path sent a bunch of things, without question, and didn't ask for anything back. I guess my thinking is that he's done so much to help the village (gave us an ingredient for the holy water that I used, gave me an ingredient for the blinding potion, gave me both ingredients for eternal bond potion), so much more than several other people around here, it's hard to be looking at him as a wolf.

It sounds like you are listening to Path's interpretation, not what I said. I said that Path wanted to get the holy water last night, either through you passing it (didn't happen) or by taking it from Swaggs, who was also on your trust list. I have not said that he had it.

Do you think that the wolves are sitting back hoarding items, or do you think that they are playing the usual "get into a CoT" strategy by taking public actions to create a measure of trust? If it is the latter, the list of people to look at is pretty short - you and Path. Since I'm trusting you that steers me hard in Path's direction.

[LoneStarGirl]

ardent, ntn and render have been lurking for awhile...

[Passacaglia]

It sounds like you are listening to Path's interpretation, not what I said. I said that Path wanted to get the holy water last night, either through you passing it (didn't happen) or by taking it from Swaggs, who was also on your trust list. I have not said that he had it.

Do you think that the wolves are sitting back hoarding items, or do you think that they are playing the usual "get into a CoT" strategy by taking public actions to create a measure of trust? If it is the latter, the list of people to look at is pretty short - you and Path. Since I'm trusting you that steers me hard in Path's direction.

Why are you trusting me over path?

[ntndeacon]

ardent, ntn and render have been lurking for awhile...

just catching up.

[Chief Rum]

Why are you trusting me over path?

Pass, you should read all of the posts from the last page or two for that. Hoops posted several longer posts a page back about this.

[Chief Rum]

I am holding off on my vote because I wnat to see what the Eternal Bond potion does.

[ntndeacon]

Of the three who have a vote, there isn't really a question of whom I vote. Path's willingness to send whatever is needed and the trust shown him by Pass makes me willing to trust him a bit more than some. Hoops has seemed good to me since very early in the game. (like day 2) So I have to vote for LSG.

Your plan is a good one, Pass. I just don't buy hoops as a bad guy this game.

Vote LSG

I would hear of other places to put this vote if needed.

[RendeR]

If you go after me you will not get a wolf and tomorrow is hopeless.

Render, why are you voting for me? Please don't tell me its because of what Hoops said about me

Honestly LSG my main reasoning is gut instinct, I just get a real bad vibe from you and the way you ask questions/ call people out etc etc. I admit my own inexperience is probably a problem in my lack of luck figuring out who the wolves are but I gotta start somewhere.

I will note that I have felt this way all game long, and each night have found a reason to vote for someone else, so you may yet get off my vote tonight.

This game has just been horrid. (FUn and exciting, just crappy from a villager perspective.)

[Poli]

We have all pointed fingers at path, hoops, bk, me and a little at Pass but we have basically ignored NTN, AE, Chief and Render. One of those four have to be a wolf that is just staying out of our way. And from what I know about playing wolf with ntndeacon in that Marvel Comics game, he is a great wolf because he likes to stay out of the limelight.
I'm of the opinion that if we have three wolves, there in some sort of mix of:

LSG
NTN
render
hoops
path

BK and pass get the "pass" due to the holy water. Pass more for throwing it. BK, you said it might spell your doom, but I'm guessing Pass has to share equal fear as it cleared him in my book for throwing it. I'm still colored confused for that bit near the end last night as to how it doesn't quite clear BK, but meh. Whatever.

I like Chief for some of his late night analysis. Could be a wolf hiding out, but I don't think so.

LSG and ntn both make the list from that flippin marvels game. Funny lsg would mention that. I was thinking about the game on my drive back from the parties today. Both of them had me snowed like I was in Alaska.

Render is on the list because he's starting to grate on my nerves. It's my understanding he's still a little new to the game, but he sure seems to be playing the new guy doesn't know anything part a little much.

I've been on hoops side for most of this game, and it's time to reconsider it. I wonder if I haven't been ping ponged with my trust of hoops to this person and that person, buying useless information because there hasn't been any sort of seer reveal so far in this game. I'm really starting to feel like this is one of those friggin barkeep games where everyone's a bad guy eventually and I don't have a chance.

That said, I'll keep path in the suspect list because of what I've read that has me concerned. I like that he passed things to pass, but I assume the wolves would want to pass things just like anyone else.

[Poli]

ardent, ntn and render have been lurking for awhile...
Was writing the previous long post and got logged out by the forum.

[Poli]

And moving the spare bedroom furniture stuff around as well in the process.

[hoopsguy]

Why are you trusting me over path?

Mainly because I have to make some assumptions for today. If you are bluffing as a wolf and clearing BK, then well done by both of you.

Second, I've played more games with Path, on both sides and hope that I'm reading him correctly. The profile of his play that I've put together is consistent with what I think he would try to do as a wolf.

[Poli]

All that said, I'm going to vote now, but it's hardly solid.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[Passacaglia]

OK, I've made up my mind where my vote is heading today.

Path has earned himself an elevated position of trust through the passing of items this game. However, when looking closely at the actions in Day 3, heading into Night 3, you can build a strong case for him as a wolf.

1.) He knows Pass has items, as this has been announced in the thread. Holy water is one of these items, something that just might concern the wolves, no?
2.) Potions are passed as a day action, results are received prior to night completion
3.) Path doesn't get notice on receiving the potion of holy water, so who else might have it given that Pass said he was going to move the item
4.) Kill Swaggs

However, Pass held the potion thus foiling that plan. They still took out a largely trusted villager, while retaining a villager that trusts Path nearly completely. So it isn't a waste, but the holy water was still in play. And has now been used, pseudo-clearing both Pass and BK for today. That isn't the result they are looking to achieve.

VOTE PATH12

CR, is this one of the main posts you're referring to? I guess my thinking is that I get where hoops is coming from here, but I don't see how this leads to path. I figure everyone knew that I had the holy water, and that I needed to pass it, and that the only people I trusted were path and swaggs. So regardless of who the wolves were, one of the kills would be me, path, or swaggs, and by the same token, I wanted to be sure the holy water stayed with one of the three of us. So...would we be saying the same thing about swaggs if path had been killed last night? Or about someone else if I had died?

[hoopsguy]

Pass, I would be looking hard at the CoT today no matter who had died. But I like to think that I would have drawn different conclusions if it had been Path as the night kill. It is easy to say at this point, but my trust for Swaggs was a fair amount higher than Path has been. I listed him as a person who made me uncomfortable back on Day 2.

[Chief Rum]

CR, is this one of the main posts you're referring to? I guess my thinking is that I get where hoops is coming from here, but I don't see how this leads to path. I figure everyone knew that I had the holy water, and that I needed to pass it, and that the only people I trusted were path and swaggs. So regardless of who the wolves were, one of the kills would be me, path, or swaggs, and by the same token, I wanted to be sure the holy water stayed with one of the three of us. So...would we be saying the same thing about swaggs if path had been killed last night? Or about someone else if I had died?

There were several posts, but that's one of them, yes. I'm undecided myself on hoops' theory about path myself. But you were asking why he suspected path, and that stretch of posts is the best answer to that.

It's possible. Everyone who is alive at this point has to be considered for wolfishness at this point.

[hoopsguy]

I strongly recommend we figure out a common alternate candidate for me. If it is going to be LSG, so be it. I think Path is considerably more likely to be a wolf but I know 100% I'm not a wolf. This would be my first time being lynched as a villager in about 30 WW games, and I figure I've earned it here, but I'm going to keep trying to convince you to bag a wolf instead of bringing us closer to losing at 10PM EST tonight.

[Chief Rum]

Anyone know if Alan is actually going to be around before the deadline? If not, I won't have the luxury of waiting for this potion to go off before voting.

[Passacaglia]

I strongly recommend we figure out a common alternate candidate for me. If it is going to be LSG, so be it. I think Path is considerably more likely to be a wolf but I know 100% I'm not a wolf. This would be my first time being lynched as a villager in about 30 WW games, and I figure I've earned it here, but I'm going to keep trying to convince you to bag a wolf instead of bringing us closer to losing at 10PM EST tonight.

hoops, I'm willing to listen to alternatives -- do you have any others in mind besides path?

[Barkeep49]

I like LSG's defense. I still think she's on the wolfish side, but the votes have been a little too easy and makes me think that between that and her defense that she's being setup. I'd rather see things on path.

Unvote LSG
Vote path

LSG: I'm not sure I have the energy to go through and analyze your posts at this point. I remember why I stopped doing them, as they were time consuming and I'm not sure how helpful they are.

[Barkeep49]

hoops, I'm willing to listen to alternatives -- do you have any others in mind besides path?
Pass I think you're placing way too much trust in path. To me path is playing the "public" wolf game. He is, and I feel this has been forgotten, one of the must mischievous bad guys around and quite capable of pulling off such a tight rope act.

[Passacaglia]

I like LSG's defense. I still think she's on the wolfish side, but the votes have been a little too easy and makes me think that between that and her defense that she's being setup. I'd rather see things on path.

Unvote LSG
Vote path

LSG: I'm not sure I have the energy to go through and analyze your posts at this point. I remember why I stopped doing them, as they were time consuming and I'm not sure how helpful they are.

What was her defense, again?

[Barkeep49]

What was her defense, again?
There's been no singular defense. It's just her attitude reminds me of her attitude as a villager.

[hoopsguy]

Pass, my alternate candidates depend a fair amount on Path. Today was the right day for Ardent to switch from supporter to adversary, as they need to get me today and the vote is in doubt. That one stuck out to me among the votes that I've seen so far. He passed me an item to build further trust, and has generally voiced trust in me (prior to today) that was elevated beyond the norm.

I'm guessing that another wolf has not yet committed their vote, lurking in the background to throw it on late if needed. This is a big vote for them.

Of course, speculating here on alternate candidates is probably not the best way for me to win friends and influence people here. If I name a villager, they are going to think I'm making a wolf move here. But I'm just trying to get my thoughts out now while they still have a chance to contribute value to our cause.

[RendeR]

There's been no singular defense. It's just her attitude reminds me of her attitude as a villager.

Your vote carries a lot fo weight with me BK, based on all the other info about you, How solid are you on the trust in LSG? I'm willing to move if someone offers up some serious trust or vouches for LSG. I understand totally that gut instincts can be wrong (note all the dead villagers thus far!)

[Chief Rum]

I am going to go ahead and vote, in case I am not back on before deadline. I am also concerend if Eternal Bond will kill Pass along with LSG, BTW, which is another reason tog o as I have done.

VOTE PATH

[RendeR]

I am going to go ahead and vote, in case I am not back on before deadline. I am also concerend if Eternal Bond will kill Pass along with LSG, BTW, which is another reason tog o as I have done.

VOTE PATH


This is exactly the sticking point I have right now and what makes me consider moving my vote.

[Passacaglia]

Well, my order to bond with LSG is conditional. If 9:30 eastern rolls around and I haven't changed my mind, then I bond with LSG.

[RendeR]

I'll hold off on changing/verifying my vote until we see what happens then. I hope to be around at this point, headache notwithstanding.

[path12]

Path, if you want to try and get into a game of semantics to discredit what I'm saying, that is certainly your perogative. However, this has nothing to do with Pass thinking Swaggs was passing you a potion. It has to do with you not ending up with the holy water -which you had knowledge of prior to the night actions - and then acting in a manner to simultaneously take out a trusted player and go hunting for items.

You don't understand, hoops. There would not be any holy water at all if I had not passed the holy flask to Pass. He would have plain old spring water. I found the holy flask in the kitchen night 1, and tried to research it in the library night 2. Then Pass early day 3 asked if anyone had a special container, so I passed it to him.

As for Pass thinking Swaggs was going to pass me an actual potion instead of the recipe for one, I have nothing to say about that. All I know is that Swaggs passed me the recipe.

The fact that you're pushing this misleading line so strongly leaves little doubt for me about your allegiance this game.

[Barkeep49]

Render: I don't think you should weigh my statement on LSG more or less heavily than anyone else.

[Barkeep49]

And hoops do you have a vote count for us?

[path12]

And Barkeep, I am sorry if my post where I asked path for his ingredients 'screams wolf' to you but I have 3 things that I dont know what to do with, that nobody wants, and I feel the game would be a lot more interesting during this long weekend if we threw stuff at one another and cast spells.

I <3 LSG.

[RendeR]

Render: I don't think you should weigh my statement on LSG more or less heavily than anyone else.


I'll keep this quote in mind then, thanks for saying so.

[path12]

If you lynch me then there are at least two wolves in the hoops/Barkeep/Chief group. They are just too smart to misread so badly what I've done this game.

[hoopsguy]

Vote count, as of Post #995:
Hoops - Path (842), LSG (925), Pass (941), Ardent (973)
Path - Hoops (911), NTN (967), Barkeep (980), Chief (986)
LSG - RendeR (940)

[Chief Rum]

You know what my fear is?

That we're all talking about villagers here, and the real wolves are ardent, NTN and render.

[hoopsguy]

Path, do you really think that the wolves have basically just sat back and hoped that we would screw the game up for them as their strategy? That there have not been attempts to gain trust at some juncture?

Just as a good exercise in checking your assumptions, who do you think is a wolf if you accept that I'm not a wolf and that I'm pushing (again) in the wrong direction here?

[Barkeep49]

You know what my fear is?

That we're all talking about villagers here, and the real wolves are ardent, NTN and render.
That would be something.

[Chief Rum]

That would be something.

You see, the question for me is, what evidence have any of those three provided usthey are not wolves? It strikes me that all three are playing low-key, stay out of the way sorts of games. Not UTR, per say, because they have all been active. But have any of them really said anything? And in a game where I think we're kinda chasing our tails, this is exactly the way to stay unlynched. We're so busy trying to make the evidence match our suspicions (based on little but gut instinct), that we may be ignoring other potentially strong candidates.