Werewolf XLVIII - The horror of sorcery hill (Game over)

[LoneStarGirl]

So we have an hour and 20 minutes left and it looks like chief will have important vote, unless Render moves his off of me. No pressure Chief

[LoneStarGirl]

Pass, I would rather you go ahead and use the bonding potion now instead of waiting an hour. And if you have to use it on me, go ahead, but I would rather you use it on hoops or path because one of the two have to be a wolf. But if you have to use it on me that is fine, but you will waste your potion

[hoopsguy]

I obviously want us to make a good lynch here today. If Path isn't a wolf, I would expect them to tip it in his favor today and leave me around (again!) for conversation tomorrow. So with a 4-4 score right now if we are thinking at all about moving away from Path to another candidate I would like to see it starting sooner rather than later.

Going back to Ardent, do people think he is a better candidate than Path? If you are asking me to pick between RendeR, NTN, and him then AE is the one that I have as most suspicious at the moment. I think there is a pretty good chance that he and Path are both wolves - I think this is more likely than Path and LSG - so this would be the one that I would rotate over to without it being driven solely by self-preservation.

[Chief Rum]

So we have an hour and 20 minutes left and it looks like chief will have important vote, unless Render moves his off of me. No pressure Chief

I already voted LSG. As others have said, nothing is locked down until 10 p.m. EST, though.

[hoopsguy]

Everyone in the game has voted at this point, with a 4-4 tie and RendeR having the tie-breaker potentially.

[Chief Rum]

I obviously want us to make a good lynch here today. If Path isn't a wolf, I would expect them to tip it in his favor today and leave me around (again!) for conversation tomorrow. So with a 4-4 score right now if we are thinking at all about moving away from Path to another candidate I would like to see it starting sooner rather than later.

Going back to Ardent, do people think he is a better candidate than Path? If you are asking me to pick between RendeR, NTN, and him then AE is the one that I have as most suspicious at the moment. I think there is a pretty good chance that he and Path are both wolves - I think this is more likely than Path and LSG - so this would be the one that I would rotate over to without it being driven solely by self-preservation.

I'm going to throw a wrench into things.

UNVOTE PATH

VOTE ARDENT

I don't like any of the top candidates right now.

[Poli]

??

I don't have time to argue, time to watch big brother and then the 4400 on the tivo. I'll be back after the results.

[Poli]

Err, obviously, after the results, I mean. I've got about 1.5 hours of tv ahead of me.

[ntndeacon]

Vote count, as of Post #995:
Hoops - Path (842), LSG (925), Pass (941), Ardent (973)
Path - Hoops (911), NTN (967), Barkeep (980), Chief (986)
LSG - RendeR (940)

Hoops my vote is not on path, but on LSG.

[LoneStarGirl]

Sorry, I thought we had 9 members left

[hoopsguy]

Thanks for the correction, NTN.

Updated vote count, as of Post #1010:
Hoops - Path (842), LSG (925), Pass (941), Ardent (973)
Path - Hoops (911), Barkeep (980)
LSG - RendeR (940), NTN (967)
Ardent - Chief (1006)

[RendeR]

erg, do we have an accurate vote count? I can try double checking if need be.

[RendeR]

erg, do we have an accurate vote count? I can try double checking if need be.


Nevermind ;)

[hoopsguy]

I would encourage the people who think that I'm playing this as a villager to combine on a single candidate. I'm sitting at four right now, which is a bad spot to be in with nine people.

UNVOTE PATH
VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

[ntndeacon]

Unvote LSG
Vote Ardent Enthusiast
Still think LSG is wolvish but am not completely sold on AEs goodness either.

[Chief Rum]

I'm going to go get some din. I'll be back before deadline.

[ntndeacon]

I will be back before deadline too, wanna watch a little Ice Road Truckers

[LoneStarGirl]

Why does this seem weird to me? 3 quick votes to AE all of a sudden? I won't be taking my vote off of Hoops

[hoopsguy]

Pass, you could make this very interesting if you swing your vote here. I still think you are making a mistake with Path, but we need to get a wolf today so I'm willing to go after my second candidate.

As it sits right now, you aren't even putting the wolves in a position to make hard decisions.

[hoopsguy]

Why does this seem weird to me? 3 quick votes to AE all of a sudden? I won't be taking my vote off of Hoops

Shocker.

[Passacaglia]

Scary run here.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, you could make this very interesting if you swing your vote here. I still think you are making a mistake with Path, but we need to get a wolf today so I'm willing to go after my second candidate.

As it sits right now, you aren't even putting the wolves in a position to make hard decisions.

What do you mean, I'm not putting the wolves in a position to make hard decisions?

[hoopsguy]

I posted it before NTN had changed, but the vote was 4-2 at the time. Suffice it to say that I don't think that Path and AE (both of who I suspect) or LSG are moving, so I'm talking with the one person who is in the room who has a chance to do the right thing on this vote.

As it sits now, Barkeep or RendeR can jump on as well and we'll be back to 4-4.

One of these times we are going to have a lynch where there is a wolf in the mix. I want us to be able to take something from voting patterns at some point, since we don't have a seer or a bodyguard.

[Barkeep49]

This run on AE is disturbing.

[hoopsguy]

To be more direct, here is the scenario I was going after.

Prior to NTN voting, if you had moved off me to AE it would have been 3-3. If he is a wolf, they would have to make hard decisions on how openly to save him and go after me. If I'm going down I at least want it to be a dogfight where you guys have some kind of meaningful takeaway.

You aren't willing to go down that avenue with Path - OK, I'll see if I can help take it that direction with another candidate. But I'm flat screwed if two villagers are going to vote for me. So I'm trying hard to move one of the few guys I feel pretty confident in as a villager who has his vote on me.

[RendeR]

Pass, you could make this very interesting if you swing your vote here. I still think you are making a mistake with Path, but we need to get a wolf today so I'm willing to go after my second candidate.

As it sits right now, you aren't even putting the wolves in a position to make hard decisions.

Ok THIS post just reeks of a wolf scared out of his heavy woolen cloak. You've been on my list as well hoops and this sudden cheering for people to vote for 1 person and then pushing pass to swing his vote elsewhere is just too suspisiouc to me.


UNVOTE LSG

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[hoopsguy]

This run on AE is disturbing.

I wanted Path, as I still think he is the mostly likely wolf in the room. Maybe my words on this will carry more weight a few minutes after deadline, but they haven't been enough to carry today.

Like I said, I'm going to keep pushing until deadline to try and help us avoid lynching a villager. Hopefully in the process not pushing us towards another one, but I only know about myself for 100%.

[Passacaglia]

So what happens when we get a tie?

[hoopsguy]

RendeR, we haven't gotten a wolf yet. You guys are about to lynch another villager. How should I handle this? Sit back and let it happen? Not my style. I knew going into today that it was going to be a longshot to convince the masses to not lynch me, but I've given it my all.

If you (group, not you) go in the wrong direction then good luck the rest of the way, no hard feelings, but I think it is an extreme longshot to win the game with a bad lynch today. A good lynch today and I think this is still pretty salvageable.

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #1029:

Hoops - Path (842), LSG (925), Pass (941), Ardent (973), RendeR (1026)
Path - Barkeep (980)
Ardent - Chief (1006), Hoops (1014), NTN (1015)

[Chief Rum]

So what happens when we get a tie?

My guess is nothing good. Probably nothing at all actually. Well, if you believe we're about to a villager, I suppose it's good.

[Barkeep49]

Ok I'm not convinced that Ardent is a wolf, but if hoops is a wolf they're playing a very dangerous game of chicken.

[Passacaglia]

My guess is nothing good. Probably nothing at all actually. Well, if you believe we're about to a villager, I suppose it's good.

CR -- if you see a sudden vote switch at deadline to AE, would that scare you enough to vote hoops?

[Alan T]

Once again right during the middle of conversation, Passacaglia pulls out a potion and looks around the room, then chooses Lonestargirl to chuck it at. The potion smashes against her, and crashes open, with the fluid going all over here. All about her, she dissappears from sight in a pink cloud of smoke, and when it disappears you are shocked to see standing there........


Lonestargirl.. completely unchanged as far as you can tell.

Deadline is still in 14 minutes. I have a few PMs to send out and then will total up votes and try to be ready for the day results around 10pm EST

[Passacaglia]

Wish me luck guys.

[LoneStarGirl]

Thank you Pass... although I wish you would have used it on Hoops

[LoneStarGirl]

Not to throw accusations around or anything, but why do people think that Pass is cleared now that he threw that potion at me?

[Poli]

Finished big brother, can I get a quick cap of what's up?

[Chief Rum]

CR -- if you see a sudden vote switch at deadline to AE, would that scare you enough to vote hoops?

I'm not sure. If it happened, and AE was a villager, thouigh, I am pretty sure we would then know who some if not all of our wolves are.

[LoneStarGirl]

9 minutes left and 6 members watching... I am getting nervous

[Poli]

NM, WHAT THE HECK?

[Chief Rum]

Thank you Pass... although I wish you would have used it on Hoops

Then he might die with hoops. What good would that do?

[Passacaglia]

I'm not sure. If it happened, and AE was a villager, thouigh, I am pretty sure we would then know who some if not all of our wolves are.

Well, please watch out for one. If there's a vote switch to AE at the last minute (I'm thinking from LSG), I'd appreciate if you switch yours to hoops.

[Chief Rum]

Not to throw accusations around or anything, but why do people think that Pass is cleared now that he threw that potion at me?

Umm, no one has proposed that theory. Why do you think that?

[RendeR]

Not to throw accusations around or anything, but why do people think that Pass is cleared now that he threw that potion at me?

Honestly, I don't think it clears him at all. The only hold back on voting for pass in my opinion is that if he is truly a wolf then he's been playing the most unbelievably awesmoe game of wolf I've yet to read.

[Barkeep49]

CR -- if you see a sudden vote switch at deadline to AE, would that scare you enough to vote hoops?
Pass you learned anything?

LSG: I also wish he'd thrown it at Hoops.

[hoopsguy]

Finished big brother, can I get a quick cap of what's up?

You are trailing me 5-3 on the vote, so unless someone moves off of me onto you and Barkeep swings over to you from Path then we lose a villager. Recap over.

[Poli]

Screw this. I'm not campaigning. I don't have time. Off to the 4400. Good luck.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well, please watch out for one. If there's a vote switch to AE at the last minute (I'm thinking from LSG), I'd appreciate if you switch yours to hoops.

Why would I switch off of Hoops?!

[Chief Rum]

Well, please watch out for one. If there's a vote switch to AE at the last minute (I'm thinking from LSG), I'd appreciate if you switch yours to hoops.

I'll keep it in mind.

Right now, I think we learn something whether hoops or dies or someone else does. Which is all I really wanted to do when I switched to AE anyway.

[Barkeep49]

I have to tell you that Ardent's social life seems PACKED ever since he got out of the Navy. That man never seems to have two seconds these days.

[hoopsguy]

Only because I'm a villager, LSG.

[Barkeep49]

I'll keep it in mind.

Right now, I think we learn something whether hoops or dies or someone else does. Which is all I really wanted to do when I switched to AE anyway.
What's this crap about learning something. If we don't lynch a wolf today we lose. There is no more time to learn.

[hoopsguy]

Ding ding, BK.

[Chief Rum]

BK, I am concerned you're staying on path. What good does that vote do us right now? I believe you are a villager. Being the stand alone vote on someone doesn't tell us anything.

[hoopsguy]

Personally, I was hoping we would learn if AE is a wolf with today's vote. Silly me.

[Chief Rum]

What's this crap about learning something. If we don't lynch a wolf today we lose. There is no more time to learn.

Three wolves, nine of us left. We lynch one, they kill one. We still have a 4-3 advantage. It doesn't end today.

[Barkeep49]

Ding ding, BK.
Well I'm not voting for you as I think you're a villager. I mean I could shift my vote to Ardent but that makes me nervous as well. I guess in the end I feel better about you than ardent though we both know, I think, that path is the evil one in this game :).

Unvote Path
Vote Ardent

[Barkeep49]

BK, I am concerned you're staying on path. What good does that vote do us right now? I believe you are a villager. Being the stand alone vote on someone doesn't tell us anything.
Sure it does. It tells you that I think path is a wolf. What else do you want to learn?

[Chief Rum]

And that's worst case scenario (we could, after all, lynch a wolf today).

[LoneStarGirl]

Three wolves, nine of us left. We lynch one, they kill one. We still have a 4-3 advantage. It doesn't end today.

That is what I was thinking.... maybe our math is wrong?

[Barkeep49]

Three wolves, nine of us left. We lynch one, they kill one. We still have a 4-3 advantage. It doesn't end today.
There is no way all four villagers will get it right tomorrow unless we have a seer reveal.

[LoneStarGirl]

vote count anybody? 5-4 hoops vs ardent?

[hoopsguy]

When I'm gone, here is the order I would look:

1. Path
2. Ardent
3. NTN

Throw in RendeR as a close 4th, but I don't think they would all group together on the vote when there are enough villagers willing to help them out with today's vote.

[LoneStarGirl]

Are there seers in this game?

[Barkeep49]

vote count anybody? 5-4 hoops vs ardent?
Correct.

Unvote Ardent
Vote path

[LoneStarGirl]

Needless to say because of this potion Pass through at me, I now trust him completely

[hoopsguy]

Vote count, as of Post #1064:
Hoops - Path (842), LSG (925), Pass (941), Ardent (973), RendeR (1026)
Ardent - Chief (1006), Hoops (1014), NTN (1015), Barkeep (1058)

[Barkeep49]

Unvote path
Vote Ardent

[Barkeep49]

I'm done.

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE HOOPS
VOTE ARDENT

[LoneStarGirl]

even if i move to ardent right now its still 4-4

i hate second guessing myself

[LoneStarGirl]

are you guys kidding?

[Barkeep49]

Damn.

I regret my vote already. Wish I had stayed on path.

[Chief Rum]

That is what I was thinking.... maybe our math is wrong?

Nothing wrong with our math, just Barkeep's optimism.

[Alan T]

Deadline

[RendeR]

Wow, late vote changes, tie vote, what happens in a tie alan?

[LoneStarGirl]

Why the move Barkeep? You just killed Ardent

[hoopsguy]

I show final tally as 5-4 Ardent.

Hoops - Path (842), LSG (925), Ardent (973), RendeR (1026)
Ardent - Chief (1006), Hoops (1014), NTN (1015), Barkeep (1069), Pass (1071)

[LoneStarGirl]

its not a tie
5-4 Ardent over Hoops

[Chief Rum]

This game is messed up.

[RendeR]

err, wait...not a tie?

[Barkeep49]

I'm very disappointed with myself.

[RendeR]

Wow, we truly haven't got a freaking clue have we? How many votes switched in that last 3 minutes?

[Chief Rum]

Why the move Barkeep? You just killed Ardent

BK wasn't the final vote. It was Pass. All that said, none of us on Ardent are absolved if he is a villager.

I still think with analysis we will learn tons from today's vote.

[LoneStarGirl]

This game just got a whole lot more interesting

Too bad ardent is too busy with 4400 to be here

[Barkeep49]

Why the move Barkeep? You just killed Ardent
I did because I believed in hoops. I just didn't think it through all the way.

[hoopsguy]

If Ardent isn't a wolf, and we don't learn anything cool during evening actions then I'll self-vote Nightfall. I honestly don't have the energy to go through this again tomorrow.

[Alan T]

I need like 5-8 minutes to make sure I have the proper vote counts, who the deciding votes are and to write it up. Alot of fireworks at the end there

[LoneStarGirl]

Pass moved his vote for a tie, he didn't know Barkeep was going to move his vote

[Barkeep49]

BK wasn't the final vote. It was Pass. All that said, none of us on Ardent are absolved if he is a villager.

I still think with analysis we will learn tons from today's vote.
How do you expect to get all 4 villagers to do the same thing tomorrow if Ardent is a villager?

[hoopsguy]

I did because I believed in hoops. I just didn't think it through all the way.

What didn't you think through?

[Barkeep49]

Pass moved his vote for a tie, he didn't know Barkeep was going to move his vote
WHy is a tie better?

[Chief Rum]

I'm very disappointed with myself.

Don't be. Without your vote, we don't learn nearly as much from this. Either way, I think a villager would have died today.

[Barkeep49]

What didn't you think through?
If you are a wolf I gave cover to a wolf moving off of you.

[ntndeacon]

I am not sure I understand why a tie is better too.

[Barkeep49]

Don't be. Without your vote, we don't learn nearly as much from this. Either way, I think a villager would have died today.
So then why did you lead the charge onto Ardent?

[Chief Rum]

Pass moved his vote for a tie, he didn't know Barkeep was going to move his vote

A tie doesn't lynch anyone. Not much good in that.

[Chief Rum]

How do you expect to get all 4 villagers to do the same thing tomorrow if Ardent is a villager?

I don't expect anything. We will all take a look at the results and see what shakes out. I already have in mind several moves in the past hour that says a lot about some suspicions I had.

[Barkeep49]

A tie doesn't lynch anyone. Not much good in that.
We don't know that. We don't know that at all. And frankly not losing a villager at this stage of the game is pretty important.

[path12]

Path, do you really think that the wolves have basically just sat back and hoped that we would screw the game up for them as their strategy? That there have not been attempts to gain trust at some juncture?

Just as a good exercise in checking your assumptions, who do you think is a wolf if you accept that I'm not a wolf and that I'm pushing (again) in the wrong direction here?

It is sort of colored by today's vote, since up to now I've tended to think Barkeep was a villager. But to answer your question, I would look in the grouping of Chief/ntn/Ardent area.

[Chief Rum]

If you are a wolf I gave cover to a wolf moving off of you.

I don't buy that Pass is a wolf, nor that you are, so I am comfortable with your move from that perspective.

[Barkeep49]

I don't expect anything. We will all take a look at the results and see what shakes out. I already have in mind several moves in the past hour that says a lot about some suspicions I had.
I just can't believe that one of the most astute players around doesn't see how dire our situation is.

[path12]

So we have an hour and 20 minutes left and it looks like chief will have important vote, unless Render moves his off of me. No pressure Chief

Why do I keep thinking the deadline is 10:30? Crap. Catching up.

[Chief Rum]

I just can't believe that one of the most astute players around doesn't see how dire our situation is.

Our situation has been dire, BK. We can't be any more on the precipice than we already are. I believe both AE and hoopsguy are villagers. Path never had the votes--the one time we thought he did, it was a miscount by hoops. So a villager wass going to die today no matter what. If I do nothing, hoops dies and we learn nothing. If I try to switch to another candidate to see if we can get some revealing vote moves (which I think we most definitely did), we gain soemthing from what otherwise would be a worthless lynch.

[hoopsguy]

Wow, all nine players are in the room right now.

[Chief Rum]

So then why did you lead the charge onto Ardent?

I didn't want to appear to be avoiding this question, but my previous post tot his one essentially covers it.

[Poli]

Yep, I'm here temporarily.

[RendeR]

Yeah, this game has completely taken me over as a WW fan. I used to think it was just an annoying post whoring plot, but damn if this isn't a blast =)

[Poli]

What tha???

DID I JUST GET AXED?

[Poli]

DUDE, THAT'S BS!!!

[Poli]

DUDE, and I HAVE TOMORROW FOR TRAINING. That's going to suck mightily. How will I spend my time now?

THANKS FELLAS!

[Alan T]

Another day passes, this time the conversations are just as heated, another potion is thrown and many of you feel just as lost and clueless as you started out as. Its very clear that your time is running out here, and you would give anything to be able to call upon the late school master's wisdom to help guide you today what to do.

All kind of verbal debate is thrown back and forth, with the attention going back and forth between Path, Lonestargirl, Hoopsguy and then suddenly Ardent. Finally, getting tired of all of the disagreement, Passacaglia once again takes a step forward with his backpack and reaches inside of it. Fully expecting yet another potion to be thrown by him, he instead pulls out a small knife that he must have picked up from nearby and stabs it directly into Ardent's gut. He twists the knife while watching Ardent's blank expression (almost as if he wasn't even here, but instead watching tv or something).

Finally Ardent collapses to the floor, and Passacaglia looks through his stuff... He sighs and stands up shrugging as if in defeat... Suddenly someone cries out, "Look.. his arm!".. You don't know how you missed it before, but on his arm suddenly is glowing a symbol, one you dare not describe.. a symbol of that of a person who was a member of the evil sect looking to kill you all.. Ardent apparently was not one of you, and thankfully is now dead.

Day 4 is now over. Night time has begun. Deadline is 9am EST tommorrow morning. Please by this time PM me with which room you wish to spend tonight in as well as any night actions you may have, or magical items that you may have with a night time usage property.

[LoneStarGirl]

Sorry Ardent :(

[Poli]

:mad:

[Passacaglia]

NICE!!!!

[hoopsguy]

Well that feels good.

[Poli]

;) Thanks LSG. :)

[LoneStarGirl]

oh wow
we just got lucky as hell

[path12]

I guess in the end I feel better about you than ardent though we both know, I think, that path is the evil one in this game :).


So, so wrong.

[Chief Rum]

Let me be the first to apologize, AE. It was I who led this charge. I had good reason, but I doubt you would like it. IT really didn't have much to do with your goodness or evilness.

It would help tons, though, if you're a wolf.

[LoneStarGirl]

oh wow
we just got lucky as hell

[ntndeacon]

Our situation has been dire, BK. We can't be any more on the precipice than we already are. I believe both AE and hoopsguy are villagers. Path never had the votes--the one time we thought he did, it was a miscount by hoops. So a villager wass going to die today no matter what. If I do nothing, hoops dies and we learn nothing. If I try to switch to another candidate to see if we can get some revealing vote moves (which I think we most definitely did), we gain soemthing from what otherwise would be a worthless lynch.

why are you so convinced this was a worthless lynch. I agree that AE wasnt my first choice but he was pretty far up there.

[hoopsguy]

Heh, someone is getting the mercury I passed back to Ardent today :) I figured if he passed it to me then the wolves must not need it all that much.

[LoneStarGirl]

Ardent you played a great wolf... good game

[ntndeacon]

woohoo! nice going y'all. This gives us a touch of room, we still have our work cut out for us though.

[Alan T]

Just a note, I have a few daytime Pms that did not impact the lynch or lynch decision that I need to process real quick now. They will be assumed to have happened before the lynch for game purposes however.

[path12]

UNVOTE HOOPS
VOTE ARDENT

What the hell?

[Chief Rum]

why are you so convinced this was a worthless lynch. I agree that AE wasnt my first choice but he was pretty far up there.

Because I didn't think he was a wolf. At least no more than I felt about any of the other top candidates. I didn't vote for him to prove he's a wolf. I voted for him to screw with the wolves' minds.

And it worked.

The fact AE actually is a wolf is just a tremendously incredible bonus.

[hoopsguy]

Ardent you played a great wolf... good game

So are you voting for me again tomorrow? Just curious ...

[Passacaglia]

Man, I am so pumped! Can you feel it, village? :) :) :)

[Chief Rum]

Let me be the first to apologize, AE. It was I who led this charge. I had good reason, but I doubt you would like it. IT really didn't have much to do with your goodness or evilness.

It would help tons, though, if you're a wolf.

lol...okay, thanks for being a wolf. :)

[Poli]

Everyone, I want to thank you for the great game and never seriously considering me a bad guy. It was refreshing. Seriously. Unfortunately, it came at a time when I was genuinely a bad guy. Fortunately, I only had one bad dream this entire time.

My schedule, honestly, was the truth. It's been pretty crazy. The only reason I'm here temporarily as I put it...my wife's got the 4400 on pause right now so she can go wash her hair and let it dry during the remainder.

I never lied about my schedule. It's been crazy and will continue to be as my company has me going everywhere in a 100 mile radius of my home.

Good thing they're paying for the car and gas.

Again, thanks, and good luck to the good and bad guys. It was fun.

[RendeR]

Sorry Ardent :(


Why? he was EEEVIL!

[hoopsguy]

Given the two late switches, I wonder if the wolves didn't all unite on me but still were spread out. I'm guessing this is a topic best left for tomorrow, but I want to come back to it at some point.

[Barkeep49]

I'll be curious to discuss with people after the game if the feel my move on to ardent was the right thing in that situation. I'm still not convinced it was.

[Chief Rum]

My top candidate: Render.

When the AE thing started to role forward, he tried to put the nail in hoops' coffin by switching to him.

After that, tougher to say. I will need to do more analysis.

[Passacaglia]

I hope this isn't changing gears too much from our celebration, but it looks like that eternal bond potion didn't do anything.

[Poli]

Tomorrow, fwiw, will be a day of me programming an air conditioning controller (VAV, variable air volume). I have to send my code to some guy somewhere who will grade it.

In the past I spent 6 hours here and 2 hours on the work. Now I guess I have 8 fulls hours to devote. :(

Thanks for the fun, it was enjoyable.

[Alan T]

(4) Hoopsguy - Path (842), Lonestargirl (925), ardent (973), Render (1026)
(5) Ardent - Chief Rum (1006), Hoopsguy (1014), Ntndeacon (1015), Barkeep (1058), Passacaglia (1071)

Official final vote count

[Barkeep49]

Everyone, I want to thank you for the great game and never seriously considering me a bad guy. It was refreshing. Seriously. Unfortunately, it came at a time when I was genuinely a bad guy. Fortunately, I only had one bad dream this entire time.

My schedule, honestly, was the truth. It's been pretty crazy. The only reason I'm here temporarily as I put it...my wife's got the 4400 on pause right now so she can go wash her hair and let it dry during the remainder.

I never lied about my schedule. It's been crazy and will continue to be as my company has me going everywhere in a 100 mile radius of my home.

Good thing they're paying for the car and gas.

Again, thanks, and good luck to the good and bad guys. It was fun.
FTR I never doubted your schedule. Just the way you voted with-in that schedule :)

[path12]

Man, action packed ending. I'm feeling much better about Chief, obviously.

[Chief Rum]

Everyone, I want to thank you for the great game and never seriously considering me a bad guy. It was refreshing. Seriously. Unfortunately, it came at a time when I was genuinely a bad guy. Fortunately, I only had one bad dream this entire time.

My schedule, honestly, was the truth. It's been pretty crazy. The only reason I'm here temporarily as I put it...my wife's got the 4400 on pause right now so she can go wash her hair and let it dry during the remainder.

I never lied about my schedule. It's been crazy and will continue to be as my company has me going everywhere in a 100 mile radius of my home.

Good thing they're paying for the car and gas.

Again, thanks, and good luck to the good and bad guys. It was fun.

Yeah, there have been a lot of schedule jokes, but I for one never doubted you have just been tremendously busy. You have never been the type to lie period (I found you to be brutally honest, if not in a Hell Atlantic sorta way), much less lie for advantage in a silly online game. I wouldn't think for a seocnd you would lie about outside of the game stuff.

Well played, and I wish I had actually "sniffed" you out. In actuality, we just got lucky.

[Chief Rum]

He twists the knife while watching Ardent's blank expression (almost as if he wasn't even here, but instead watching tv or something)


In all the excitement, we may have glazed over this sentence. Brilliant,Alan!

[Chief Rum]

I'm going to try to do some analysis tonight. I think it's likely I will be dead in the morning.

[Poli]

Good luck to all of ya. Back to the 4400, wife's back. Don't tell me how it ends. :)

[hoopsguy]

I'm going to try to do some analysis tonight. I think it's likely I will be dead in the morning.

Will be interesting - they have some choices to make tonight that probably won't be possession-driven.

[Passacaglia]

I think another person we need to look at is LSG. She's been railing into hoops for a while now, and he's really gone up in my estimation.

[LoneStarGirl]

Man, action packed ending. I'm feeling much better about Chief, obviously.

Why are you feeling better about chief? He voted for ardent when it looked like he had nobody following him. Tomorrow we should look at Render and C.R.

[ntndeacon]

Man, action packed ending. I'm feeling much better about Chief, obviously.

I am not. he admits he was throwing a lone vote out there on someone he believed to be good. In fact iwill go as far to say that there was little improvement of trust values for all of us who voted for AE...(even though we got a wolf) Barkeep and Pass were already thought of as good by most. Chief's own admission of his belief of AE's goodness. It could be said hoops was saving his skin. and it looks as if I was just following hoops lead.

[LoneStarGirl]

*sigh* no hoops I will not be voting for you tomorrow

I really think that we should look at Render tomorrow.

[LoneStarGirl]

My Cot is small but includes Barkeep and Pass... and it frustrates me that you are still looking at me Pass... we aren't for sure that hoops is good

[Passacaglia]

Why are you feeling better about chief? He voted for ardent when it looked like he had nobody following him. Tomorrow we should look at Render and C.R.

You're looking at CR? That seems pretty weird, since he was the one pretty much responsible for getting ardent for us.

[Passacaglia]

My Cot is small but includes Barkeep and Pass... and it frustrates me that you are still looking at me Pass... we aren't for sure that hoops is good

No, it's not a sure thing that hoops is good, but it's hard to see hoops as a wolf, helping to set up a run on AE to get lynched.

[LoneStarGirl]

You're looking at CR? That seems pretty weird, since he was the one pretty much responsible for getting ardent for us.

He was responsible for voting for somebody when it looked like Hoops was definitely a goner. He didn't know that 4 other people would follow his lead and vote him too.

[LoneStarGirl]

No, it's not a sure thing that hoops is good, but it's hard to see hoops as a wolf, helping to set up a run on AE to get lynched.

Looks to me like he was saving his own butt instead of voting for somebody he thought was a wolf

[Chief Rum]

I am not. he admits he was throwing a lone vote out there on someone he believed to be good. In fact iwill go as far to say that there was little improvement of trust values for all of us who voted for AE...(even though we got a wolf) Barkeep and Pass were already thought of as good by most. Chief's own admission of his belief of AE's goodness. It could be said hoops was saving his skin. and it looks as if I was just following hoops lead.

Well, actually, it's more accurate to say I didn't have a stronger feeling of wolfishness from AE than I did from hoops or LSG or path, some of the other candidates under consideration. I didn't feel great about AE's goodness at all; I just thoughyt he was likely a villager, just like I thought all of those others were likely villagers, too, in a pessimistic sorta way.

To say I felt AE was "good" would be overstating it very significantly.

[Passacaglia]

Looks to me like he was saving his own butt instead of voting for somebody he thought was a wolf

If I were AE, and hoops was a fellow wolf and offed me to save his own butt, I'd be pissed. If I were AE, I'd be wanting hoops to get rid of another villager or take one for the team himself, rather than expecting me to.

[Chief Rum]

You're looking at CR? That seems pretty weird, since he was the one pretty much responsible for getting ardent for us.

LSG and I have been over this. She's the new Fouts. :)

[ntndeacon]

I agree that Hoops is good. he has been pretty consistent in my view the entire game.

[Barkeep49]

I really can't decide what I think about CR.

[Passacaglia]

nite all

[LoneStarGirl]

I agree that Hoops is good. he has been pretty consistent in my view the entire game.

What game are you watching?

[ntndeacon]

Well, actually, it's more accurate to say I didn't have a stronger feeling of wolfishness from AE than I did from hoops or LSG or path, some of the other candidates under consideration. I didn't feel great about AE's goodness at all; I just thoughyt he was likely a villager, just like I thought all of those others were likely villagers, too, in a pessimistic sorta way.

To say I felt AE was "good" would be overstating it very significantly.

but why not vote for someone you thought WAS a wolf. You had to have seen that AE was low on several trust lists. DOnt get me wrong in hind sight it is a great move, but looking when we were, voting for who you believed to be a wolf could have had the same results. I dont know who you suspected, but even then you are at least voting out percieved evil. you got lucky this time but what about next time?

[Chief Rum]

He was responsible for voting for somebody when it looked like Hoops was definitely a goner. He didn't know that 4 other people would follow his lead and vote him too.

LSG, when I switched my vote out, the vote was Hoops 4, Path 4 (before I switched off of path). Hoops was not a goner. We didn't know what was going on. We didn't even know at that point that hoops had miscounted ntn's vote as being on path.

When I voted for AE, it wasn't to vote for AE--it was to swith off of Path. I had no interest in getting AE lynched, any more than the others I had some suspicions about. I was looking to see what would happen if hoops became the lynch target. Would wolves try to save him by moving to path? Or put the nail in his coffin by moving to him (if they weren't already there)?

As BK pointed out so often, we were close to an endgame sort of situation. I went to a desperate measure to try to root someone out.

So, no, hoops was not a "goner" when I switched to AE. Far from it. It was all very much in the air.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think that I am going to be dead tonight.... Part of me wants to mix some of the ingredients I have and see what happens but part of me wants to hand out all of my stuff... Any suggestions?

[hoopsguy]

I'll wait for tomorrow to figure out how I feel about people, assuming that I'm still here. But I want to make sure that the wolves know I don't have jack anymore - I gave it away tonight to make sure I controlled where it went. So if you come for me it is to shut me up, not to get all the stuff that I've never found in the damn kitchen.

[LoneStarGirl]

Too many games have I died with an arsenal full of stuff... I really dont want that to happen again, and since we can't pass items at night... I might not have a choice

[ntndeacon]

What game are you watching?

this one.

[hoopsguy]

What game are you watching?

LOL, I agree with you 100% on this one ;)

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay, hoops, since I trust you a little bit more now... should i throw all my ingredients together in the glass bowl I have or risk losing it to the wolves when/if I die tonight?

[LoneStarGirl]

and Barkeep is being awfully quiet right now

[Chief Rum]

but why not vote for someone you thought WAS a wolf. You had to have seen that AE was low on several trust lists. DOnt get me wrong in hind sight it is a great move, but looking when we were, voting for who you believed to be a wolf could have had the same results. I dont know who you suspected, but even then you are at least voting out percieved evil. you got lucky this time but what about next time?

Next time is next time, ntn. Half of WW is luck anyway. If a hitter is looking for a curve on a 3-2 count and gets frozen out by a dead heater, but the pitch misses to the outside and he gets a walk, is the result any less critical because the hitter guessed wrong and just got lucky?

I have been unlucky plenty of times in WW. I won't apologize for when I do get lucky.

And by the by, I couldn't switch to a more desaerving WW. You see, there were none. I didn't trust one damn lot of you other than BK and Pass. And I didn't distrust any of you more than the others. You're all wolves in my book (except those forementioned).

I chose AE as the possibly lead wolf candidate from my AE-NTN (sorry)-Render post not long before my switch. So he was fresh in my mind.

[Chief Rum]

and Barkeep is being awfully quiet right now

To be honest, I think the end of that deadline screwed with his head big time. I can understand wanting to take some time to think things through right now.

You're all hearing from right now really because I tend to do a lot of thinking aloud.

[hoopsguy]

Okay, hoops, since I trust you a little bit more now... should i throw all my ingredients together in the glass bowl I have or risk losing it to the wolves when/if I die tonight?

If they come for you tonight that means they would be leaving multiple players out there with some level of trust. I don't know what they have in terms of items right now, but unless you have something that is critical for them I would expect them to go after the emerging CoT over items.

I've got more thoughts on this, but I would prefer not to help them too much with their strategy for this evening.

[ntndeacon]

Next time is next time, ntn. Half of WW is luck anyway. If a hitter is looking for a curve on a 3-2 count and gets frozen out by a dead heater, but the pitch misses to the outside and he gets a walk, is the result any less critical because the hitter guessed wrong and just got lucky?

I have been unlucky plenty of times in WW. I won't apologize for when I do get lucky.

And by the by, I couldn't switch to a more desaerving WW. You see, there were none. I didn't trust one damn lot of you other than BK and Pass. And I didn't distrust any of you more than the others. You're all wolves in my book (except those forementioned).

I chose AE as the possibly lead wolf candidate from my AE-NTN (sorry)-Render post not long before my switch. So he was fresh in my mind.

That is what iwasn't getting Chief that there wasn't a real wolf candidate. I would have been less questioning about it if you had not harped on the fact that you felt he was a villager.

[LoneStarGirl]

Hrmph I really want to blow stuff up but guess I will hold off till tomorrow

[st.cronin]

Well, that was fascinating to watch from the sidelines.

[Chief Rum]

If I am still alive, I will be back tomorrow afternoon, two to three hours before deadline.

I took a quick look at AE's votes. I recommend others do so as well to get a thorough idea of how things went.

On Day One, AE was one of the final No Kill votes. The vote was pretty much decided by then. On Day Two, he voted for Izulde, relatively early. On Day Three, he was the final vote on Lathum in Friday night's little deadline fiasco. You could argue he thought he was putting it into a tie of Lathum for BK, not knowing Swaggs at that same moment switched from BK to Lathum to make it 6-4 Lathum. Without the switch, it would be 5-5. Not saying BK is a wolf, just noting what happened. BK is still one of my most trusted.

I did not go into middle of the day patterns or switches, so someone may want to go more in depth.

My top candidate is Render, as aforementioned. After him, I like NTN, LSG and maybe path for the third wolves.

[Passacaglia]

We still don't know what happens in a tie, right? Maybe he was trying to get two villagers lynched at once?

[hoopsguy]

Alan, what happens in the result of a tie?

[Alan T]

Alan, what happens in the result of a tie?

If nothing magical is able to resolve the dispute, then cooler heads will just have to prevail until the next day to continue the discussion where you left off.

[Passacaglia]

Just want to get this out in case I die -- due to the eternal bond potion, I learned that LSG is good.

[hoopsguy]

Outstanding news, Pass. I've been sending Alan a bunch of PMs asking him if I could research that potion tonight so we could know what exactly it did.

[Alan T]

Today the day starts in much higher spirits, having found and killed one of the sect members causes everyone to be upbeat as they show up for the morning. The happiness is quickly erased however as it is very apparent that once again one of you did not show up for the evening. Passacaglia has not joined you all for breakfast! Making your way through the rooms, you stumble across the horrible sight that is his dead body in the library.

Laying there on the floor, face up is Passacaglia with a huge hole through his stomach, a chair stabbed through his midsection and a closed tome with a bloody knife stabbed into it. No one ever said that studying was so hazardous to one's health!

Day 5 has now begun! Deadline for day 5 is tonight at 10pm EST.


During this day you may do the following:

1) Vote for a player that you feel is a sect member to kill. (post in the thread)
2) Vote for no kill at all. (Post in the thread)
3) Pass an item, ingredient, potion or magical item to another player (PM me with the information.)
4) Attempt to create a new potion or magical item (PM me with the ingredients and/or items you wish to use in your recipe)
5) Drink a potion (PM me)
6) Throw a potion at someone else (PM me, results will be publically shown in the thread at the end of the day.)


I have not sent out individual night PMs from last night as of yet, so do not be alarmed if you have not received one. I posted this first so the game can continue on schedule. I will send out night pms starting now. In addition, I will remind everyone of what is officially in their inventory in tonight's PM.

[RendeR]

Hrm, sorry Pass. Hoops was dead on when he thought the wolves would take out someone in the emerging CoT last night. Pass has been a driving force and it makes sense they'd take him down.

Great game dude.

[Barkeep49]

Well I'm glad that we didn't lose LSG when Pass got killed. Not quite as eternal, huh?

So on the good guy side I have for today:
Barkeep, LSG, and Chief

That means that among the remaining players there are two wolves:
Hoops, Render, ntn, and path

I like those odds. I am leaning towards saying the final two wolves are Render and path based on Render's willingness to use my suspicion of LSG as a cover to vote for her. We now know, thanks to Pass, that she was good so he was essentially looking for some justification from a somewhat trusted villager, me, to vote for a now known villager. My suspicion of path has been previously stated. I think I could also be convinced to vote for ntn, however he voted for AE yesterday which to me earns him the benefit of the doubt. I think it's far more likely that all the wolves voted for hoops and with LSG, again being cleared via Pass, that leaves the two suspects I named above.

So I'll go ahead and throw out a vote, again, for path. But I would gladly switch to Render

Vote path

[Barkeep49]

Hrm, sorry Pass. Hoops was dead on when he thought the wolves would take out someone in the emerging CoT last night. Pass has been a driving force and it makes sense they'd take him down.

Great game dude.
I hope you would be sorry for murdering someone. It's good to know that the evil sect members have some conscience left.

[RendeR]

I hope you would be sorry for murdering someone. It's good to know that the evil sect members have some conscience left.


Dude, your previous post is wrong in that I used you as a reason for voting for LSG, I've stated all along I never had a reason beyond my gut feelings to vote for her, thankfully I was wrong about that and LSG has proven to be a villager.

As for murdering Pass...I'm just...ew...slicing open? CHAIRS? and I'd never stab a book, books are sacred! GAH!

Frustration.....mounting....Must....calm....down.....

[Passacaglia]

I figured it was my time. Maybe now I can get some work done...nah, I know I'll be in here all day, cheering you guys on. Good luck, village!

[LoneStarGirl]

Thank goodness I was cleared before he died. We were both worried that if one of us died, the other would too... I am surprised they didn't go after me though

[Barkeep49]

I guess what I'd be most curious to hear is if we believe that all of the wolves would have voted on hoops to protect Ardent. Given how close they were to winning, I would say yes. If we think the answer is no that does open up the field slightly. Of course the answer could be yes except that hoops was also a wolf and we just were rocking it out yesterday. But I maintain that I don't think hoops is a wolf.

[LoneStarGirl]

Has anybody gotten their pm from last night yet? I am still waiting mine... and the title needs to be changed Alant :D

[LoneStarGirl]

I am not 100% cleared on Hoops yet... But I would rather go after Render today and hoops tomorrow.

[Alan T]

Has anybody gotten their pm from last night yet? I am still waiting mine... and the title needs to be changed Alant :D


They're coming, they're coming! I have to update a few things still. Want to get these pms out first though :)

[RendeR]

Nothing for me yet, I spent the night in the Kitchen, my overnight PM's keep telling me I will find something if I keep trying. Hoping to get lucky today.

[Alan T]

ok, anyone who should receive a PM has gotten one by now. If you feel you should have received one but didn't, let me know!

[LoneStarGirl]

Barkeep are you on? You will want to hear this?

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep are you on? You will want to hear this?
I'm on.

[Barkeep49]

I found two items last night, a cactus bulb and a yellow flower. Anyone know if that makes a potion? If not I'm willing to give them away.

[LoneStarGirl]

Anyway, when Pass threw that potion at me yesterday we became bonded. We were allowed to message one another and talk. We were afraid that the wolves would try to kill one of us in hopes of killing us both... Well thank goodness that didn't work. So when Pass died I got everything he found in the library last night, an acid knife recipe and a mind control recipe... Also, I when Pass died I could feel his pain and there was only one name that popped into my head...

vote Render

[Barkeep49]

Ahh. Excellent. That is indeed good news.

Unvote path
Vote Render

[Barkeep49]

BTW, my night PM indicated that the holy water watched over me last night. So it's a shame, in many ways, that they attacked Pass instead of me. However, we will be able to do a 1-1 trade here, it seems, so that's not bad at all.

[LoneStarGirl]

But there is another wolf out there, and I have 4 spells that could really help the village out, but I need some ingredients

I would love vitroil, invisible powder, newt tail (I know somebody has this) dark tea leaves and a ceremonial dagger.

If anybody sends me these you would definitely be cleared in my book

[RendeR]

Anyway, when Pass threw that potion at me yesterday we became bonded. We were allowed to message one another and talk. We were afraid that the wolves would try to kill one of us in hopes of killing us both... Well thank goodness that didn't work. So when Pass died I got everything he found in the library last night, an acid knife recipe and a mind control recipe... Also, I when Pass died I could feel his pain and there was only one name that popped into my head...

vote Render


No offense LSG, but was this actually IN your PM or are you making this leap of understanding based on the fact that you already had me as a target today?

[hoopsguy]

RendeR, it is going to be hard to sway people from trusting LSG today given that Pass cleared her with his last post before dying.

As a villager, why would she make something up?

Congrats on your first time as a wolf after an early run of villager games.

VOTE RENDER

[hoopsguy]

Also, I found a potion last night that could probably be equally helpful to both sides. The ingredients are parsley and lizard tail. If someone feels like moving those in my direction I would be grateful.

Alternatively, I can pass the potion to someone else to make use of it if there are any concerns about how I'm presenting info here.

[RendeR]

I'm jsut trying to verify that she was actually told that information and not simply infering it on her own. No need for her to lie about anything, she just believes I'm a wolf and because of her clearance by pass she can easily influence everyone.

Just want calrification.

I'm not dead yet, I may still find a way to vindicate myself!

[LoneStarGirl]

No offense LSG, but was this actually IN your PM or are you making this leap of understanding based on the fact that you already had me as a target today?

It was actually in my pm buddy, sorry

[LoneStarGirl]

Anyway, I have a job interview, so I will be back in a couple of hours. If anybody has any of those ingredients I mentioned before, please send them my way!

[hoopsguy]

No ingredients here, just two potions. I held onto the one that NTN had passed me (had a conditional to pass it if I was lynched) yesterday. Sorry I can't help here, LSG.

[RendeR]

It was actually in my pm buddy, sorry


Probably just some reaction to a bad pepper or something ;)

[hoopsguy]

Wow, the early part of this game was just brutal for us.

Day 1 - no lynch
Day 2 - no wolves in mix (think this is a small assumption at this point)
Day 3 - no wolves in mix (again, small assumption)
Day 4 - extended weekend play, very late run to get our first wolf

[ntndeacon]

Sounds pretty clear.
Vote Render

[path12]

Just want to get this out in case I die -- due to the eternal bond potion, I learned that LSG is good.

I was in the great hall again last night and that was what I ended up researching. It is definitely a potion you want to throw at someone you trust.

[path12]

Thank goodness I was cleared before he died. We were both worried that if one of us died, the other would too... I am surprised they didn't go after me though

I'm not. Pass was the one person that most everyone trusted. Folks like you and I are still in the mix (or you were until Pass cleared you), so are not as appealing a night target.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, are you playing with the nightfall option?

If this is in play, do people see a benefit to extended conversation on LSG vs RendeR today in lieu of voting nightfall?

[hoopsguy]

Actually, if the wolves didn't know what the Eternal Bond did then they may have been hoping for a two-for-one play by killing Pass. Probably not expecting, but the possibility made me think that it was almost a sure thing that Pass was going down last night.

[path12]

I guess what I'd be most curious to hear is if we believe that all of the wolves would have voted on hoops to protect Ardent. Given how close they were to winning, I would say yes. If we think the answer is no that does open up the field slightly. Of course the answer could be yes except that hoops was also a wolf and we just were rocking it out yesterday. But I maintain that I don't think hoops is a wolf.

My thought is that we very well could have been wolf/wolf yesterday since it's no secret that hoops remains very high on my radar due to his uncharacteristic mistatements.

However, if I take the tack that hoops is a villager, then I'm not sure what to think now that LSG is cleared and I know I'm good. Possibly one of the early votes on Ardent didn't expect the run that developed. I don't think there was a reason to toss him under the bus unless it was a move designed to gain trust.

[Alan T]

Alan, are you playing with the nightfall option?

If this is in play, do people see a benefit to extended conversation on LSG vs RendeR today in lieu of voting nightfall?

If everyone votes nightfall, I can accelerate that, however there is obviously more that can go on today than just the vote.

[path12]

Anyway, when Pass threw that potion at me yesterday we became bonded. We were allowed to message one another and talk. We were afraid that the wolves would try to kill one of us in hopes of killing us both... Well thank goodness that didn't work. So when Pass died I got everything he found in the library last night, an acid knife recipe and a mind control recipe... Also, I when Pass died I could feel his pain and there was only one name that popped into my head...

vote Render

Well! Nice.

VOTE RENDER

[Barkeep49]

Here's a history of the votes. I think Render's late switch onto hoops should have been the nail in the coffin (giving hoops a two vote lead) and is further proof that he is bad. I also think it would strongly suggest that the bad guys did concentrate their votes on hoops meaning we should be looking at path, not hoops tomorrow. I want to make that point again and again in case I go down tonight: go after path, not hoops tomorrow.

842 --Path votes for hoopsguy (hoopsguy 1)
911 – hoopsguy votes for path (hoopsguy 1, path 1)
925 – LSG votes for hoopsguy (hoops 2, path 1)
939 – BK votes for LSG (hoops 2, path 1, LSG 1)
940 – Render votes for LSG (hoops 2, LSG 2, path 1)
941 – Pass votes for hoops (hoops 3, LSG 2, path 1)
967 – ntn votes for LSG (hoops 3, LSG 3, path 1)
973 – AE votes for hoops (hoops 4, LSG 3, path 1)
980 – BK unvotes LSG, votes for path (hoops 4, LSG 2, path 2)
986 – CR votes for path (hoops 4, path 3, LSG 2)
1006 – CR unvotes path, votes AE (hoops 4, path 2, LSG 2, AE 1)
NOTE: In 1009 ntn claims his vote is on path not LSG, though I did not find that vote and hoops also had that vote recorded incorrectly
1014 – hoops unvotes path, votes AE (hoops 4, LSG 2, AE 2, path 1)
1015 – ntn votes for AE (hoops 4, AE 3, LSG 1, path 1)
1026 – Render unvotes LSG, votes hoops (hoops 5, AE 3, path 1)
1069 – bk unvotes path, votes ardent (hoops 5, AE 4)
1071 – Pass unvotes hoops, votes AE (AE 5, hoops 4)

[Barkeep49]

My thought is that we very well could have been wolf/wolf yesterday since it's no secret that hoops remains very high on my radar due to his uncharacteristic mistatements.

However, if I take the tack that hoops is a villager, then I'm not sure what to think now that LSG is cleared and I know I'm good. Possibly one of the early votes on Ardent didn't expect the run that developed. I don't think there was a reason to toss him under the bus unless it was a move designed to gain trust.
I think the voting pattern suggests otherwise frankly path.

[hoopsguy]

My thought is that we very well could have been wolf/wolf yesterday since it's no secret that hoops remains very high on my radar due to his uncharacteristic mistatements.

However, if I take the tack that hoops is a villager, then I'm not sure what to think now that LSG is cleared and I know I'm good. Possibly one of the early votes on Ardent didn't expect the run that developed. I don't think there was a reason to toss him under the bus unless it was a move designed to gain trust.

There is no way that I would have, as a wolf, tried to set up wolf vs wolf. If I was in that position, I would take one for the team and try to obscure everyone else while taking as many villagers with me as possible. You've been on my team when I've done exactly that (Schmidty's "Thing" game).

[Barkeep49]

I don't see the value in nightfall as all that would mean is an extended night and I'm not sure the night does us any better than day.

[Barkeep49]

There is no way that I would have, as a wolf, tried to set up wolf vs wolf. If I was in that position, I would take one for the team and try to obscure everyone else while taking as many villagers with me as possible. You've been on my team when I've done exactly that (Schmidty's "Thing" game).
This is 100% correct based on my having played with hoops in a couple games as a wolf and also having been a GM where hoops was a wolf.

[path12]

I think the voting pattern suggests otherwise frankly path.

I understand that, Barkeep. However, your analysis is wrong.

I am absolutely clueless about your and hoops' suspicions of me. I do not understand it at all based on what I've done and said (not to mention the fact that I was one of the people Pass trusted due to our interactions), and the simple fact that you continue to push towards me really seems wolfish.

[path12]

By the way LSG, the only ingredient I have is sour milk.

[Barkeep49]

I understand that, Barkeep. However, your analysis is wrong.

I am absolutely clueless about your and hoops' suspicions of me. I do not understand it at all based on what I've done and said (not to mention the fact that I was one of the people Pass trusted due to our interactions), and the simple fact that you continue to push towards me really seems wolfish.
C'mon you know better. As a wolf there is NO incentive to have a vendetta against another player since you know that if people ever do support you that you'll come up wrong and be placed on the chopping block. My suspicion of you might be misguided but it is that of a villager.

[RendeR]

I won't vote nightfall anyway, obviously =)

[Barkeep49]

I won't vote nightfall anyway, obviously =)
Well good luck with your uphill climb.

[RendeR]

I may well end up lynched, but I may also have something else to do during the day and who knows, I might just save my own arse. One never knows until the gallows calls =)

[Barkeep49]

I may well end up lynched, but I may also have something else to do during the day and who knows, I might just save my own arse. One never knows until the gallows calls =)
This concerns me. It appears that the wolves might be able to do something with a potion. I ask again if anyone needs either of the ingredients I have.

[RendeR]

This concerns me. It appears that the wolves might be able to do something with a potion. I ask again if anyone needs either of the ingredients I have.


I might just be talking out my ass too, but only the shadow knows....

[hoopsguy]

I may well end up lynched, but I may also have something else to do during the day and who knows, I might just save my own arse. One never knows until the gallows calls =)

I applaud the effort and hope that you bring something to the table that makes us think about the decision. Or at least entertains us.

From personal experience, it isn't much fun being in your spot if you don't have an audience (guilty or innocent). But if you do have an audience, it can be a really rewarding part of WW to change hearts and minds.

[hoopsguy]

This concerns me. It appears that the wolves might be able to do something with a potion. I ask again if anyone needs either of the ingredients I have.

Negative. Neither potion that I have calls for a cactus bulb or yellow flower.

I'm looking for the following:
- mushrooms
- chamomile (to combine with mushrooms)
- parsley
- lizard tail (to combine with parsley)

I believe both of these potions could have value to either side going down the stretch. I also know that some people should know what the first one is, but I don't believe the second one has been discussed yet.

[hoopsguy]

LoneStarGirl, it sounds like you had a mini-arsenal at your disposal last night. Do we have any synergies between potions/ingredients based on what you have and what BK (cactus bulb, yellow flower), Path (sour milk) and I have presented today?

NTN, do you have any stuff that we can use, or need any of the above stuff?

[RendeR]

Well, it appears I have nothing to lose, true?

So lets look at the facts:

There is more than one potion that can/should protect or heal someone. We've already seen the results of the holy water.

There are obviously enough items to make more than one potion of any given type and as others have worked out, there is more than one way to make any given potion.

I almost feinted a few pages back when someone mentione me in one post and then posted later about a wolf or wolves hoarding items.

I'll state it clearly, I've got almost 2 dozen items, some of which are already mixed into potions some are awaiting the proerp time to be passed or used as needed.

I have any number of options:

I can take someone with me, probably not something you villagers will be bothered by.

I can protect myself from harm, thereby wasting your lynch altogether tonight.

I can heal myself, thereby wasting your lynch altogether tonight.

I can convert someone, thereby utterly screwing up your CoT and setting you back to square 1 with a still 5-2 ratio. and 2 completely uknown wolves.

There are a couple other options which , for now, I'll keep under my cloak.

Go ahead, Lynch away. I'll get my pound of flesh.

[Swaggs]

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[hoopsguy]

Ah, the taunting wolf. That is an oldie but a goodie :)

If you could go ahead and tell us the rest of your master plan, and how you would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for us meddling kids that would be icing on the cake.

[Passacaglia]

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Have any Pour Over Cheddar? I love that stuff.

[Barkeep49]

I think if you could really do all that stuff you'd just do some of it. There appears to be no value in telling us all those options if you truly could do all of them.

[Barkeep49]

And I'll admit that even if half those things are true that Redner just said to being frustrated with this game.

[Barkeep49]

Hi Telle! You should consider joining in this fun.

[path12]

Go ahead, Lynch away. I'll get my pound of flesh.

Begone with you! [MontyPython] I fart in your general direction! [\MontyPython]

[ntndeacon]

LoneStarGirl, it sounds like you had a mini-arsenal at your disposal last night. Do we have any synergies between potions/ingredients based on what you have and what BK (cactus bulb, yellow flower), Path (sour milk) and I have presented today?

NTN, do you have any stuff that we can use, or need any of the above stuff?

only thing I have in addition to that is another spell ...but we already know it.

[ntndeacon]

I would need newt tail and ground up glass fiber for the new potion I recieved

[RendeR]

And I'll admit that even if half those things are true that Redner just said to being frustrated with this game.

I THINK I understood this, but it came out very confusing =)

[Barkeep49]

If there is no found synergy between the items we have available does it make sense to try and mix them anyway and then attempt to research them?

[Barkeep49]

And I'll admit that even if half those things are true that Redner just said to being frustrated with this game.

Ok we'll try this again, with commas:

I'll admit that, even if half those things are true that Render just said, to being frustrated with this game.

Does that work better Render?