Werewolf XLVIII - The horror of sorcery hill (Game over)

[path12]

If there is no found synergy between the items we have available does it make sense to try and mix them anyway and then attempt to research them?

Or throw them? I don't remember that just mixing them will give you the information or if that's a product of researching the spell/potion.

[RendeR]

I think if you could really do all that stuff you'd just do some of it. There appears to be no value in telling us all those options if you truly could do all of them.

I've already done one of them, and am considering a second just as a precaution.

THe value in telling you is that you:

A) leave me alive and try to bag wolf #3 knowing that you know me and can come back to me later on.

B) Think I'm bluffing and suffer the consequences I laid out above.

THe value is that having nothing to lose, I have no reason to lie to you. That gives me confidence enough that I'll have the last laugh. You may get me, but its going to cost you if you do in at least one way, perhaps more.

[RendeR]

Ok we'll try this again, with commas:

I'll admit that, even if half those things are true that Render just said, to being frustrated with this game.

Does that work better Render?


You're saying that you are frustrated with this game, even if the stuff I said is true..gotcha.

[Barkeep49]

Or throw them? I don't remember that just mixing them will give you the information or if that's a product of researching the spell/potion.
Mixing them will result in a potion. The potion might be helpful, harmless, or harmful. We don't know after just making the potion.

[Barkeep49]

You're saying that you are frustrated with this game, even if the stuff I said is true..gotcha.
No I'm frustrated only if the stuff you said is true.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, I'm not sure that we need to have our hand forced quite yet in terms of mixing randomly.

We have a 5-2 edge heading into today. I expect that RendeR can do one of the things he is suggesting, but I believe the worst case scenario we are facing tomorrow is 4-2. I don't see us in "last-day mode" unless the wolves started with four. If that is the case, I think we are already dead meat and our play over the weekend didn't mean much at all except to delay the inevitable.

[Barkeep49]

I've already done one of them, and am considering a second just as a precaution.

THe value in telling you is that you:

A) leave me alive and try to bag wolf #3 knowing that you know me and can come back to me later on.

B) Think I'm bluffing and suffer the consequences I laid out above.

THe value is that having nothing to lose, I have no reason to lie to you. That gives me confidence enough that I'll have the last laugh. You may get me, but its going to cost you if you do in at least one way, perhaps more.
Except that if we go after wolf 3, and find him, then wolf 3 will just get some items from you and build similar protections. Am I missing something with my analysis? Seems to me we have to go after the wolf we know.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, I'm not sure that we need to have our hand forced quite yet in terms of mixing randomly.

We have a 5-2 edge heading into today. I expect that RendeR can do one of the things he is suggesting, but I believe the worst case scenario we are facing tomorrow is 4-2. I don't see us in "last-day mode" unless the wolves started with four. If that is the case, I think we are already dead meat and our play over the weekend didn't mean much at all except to delay the inevitable.
I agree we're not in desperation mode and didn't mean to suggest that we were.

[RendeR]

Except that if we go after wolf 3, and find him, then wolf 3 will just get some items from you and build similar protections. Am I missing something with my analysis? Seems to me we have to go after the wolf we know.

As I've already used one potion and will probably use a second to ensure my own survival, there won't be much left to give my comrade at this point either way. And as you really don't know who he is yet, he's still got a very good chance you'll just lynch a villager again tonight if you don't lynch me.

Which brings me back to protecting myself so that even if you do lynch me, you lose the day anyway. And face a 4-2 ratio tomorrow, possibly 4-3 if the conversion works.

[Barkeep49]

As I've already used one potion and will probably use a second to ensure my own survival, there won't be much left to give my comrade at this point either way. And as you really don't know who he is yet, he's still got a very good chance you'll just lynch a villager again tonight if you don't lynch me.

Which brings me back to protecting myself so that even if you do lynch me, you lose the day anyway. And face a 4-2 ratio tomorrow, possibly 4-3 if the conversion works.
Except your protections might last until we attempt to lynch you. If we no lynch today it's 5-2 tomorrow. 4-3 if you convert. So then tomorrow we kill you then we're still at 4-2. I like that better than lynching a villager today, and having you kill someone over night which suddenly would make it 3-2 or even give you the victory if you convert. I just don't see the sense in attempting to find another wolf that we don't know who it is.

[RendeR]

You're leaving out the worst case scenario where not only do you NOT lynch me, but I take someone out when you try AND I convert someone during the day.

Your 5-2 tomorrow suddenly becomes 3-3 after the night kill.

This is one possible ending should you lynch me tonight.

[RendeR]

And even if the protections only last for 1 lynch attempt, I'm still alive tomorrow and we do this again, with you down 1 to possibly 3 villagers. 2 is probable, but 3 IS possible.

[Barkeep49]

Except why should we do your work for you. By my reckoning there are 3 fairly well known villagers, 1 known wolf. That leaves 1 unknown wolf and 2 unknown villagers giving us a 2/3 probability of taking out a villager if we don't lynch you. Plus, what's to suggest you still couldn't take out a villager even if we lynch someone other than you? If you can prevent us from lynching you and can still take out a villager and you can convert someone, I don't really see how we stop you from winning the game. I don't think you'll be able to do any of that.

You're right that we might be down to 3 villagers tomorrow, but I'd still rather have a known wolf then giving a 67% chance of being down to 3 villagers tomorrow by not lynching you.

[LoneStarGirl]

Render I have to admit I am pretty impressed with your desperation :D

Is chief the one that had the Newt tail? Somebody had that tail....

I would love some invisible powder too. Render do you have a newt tail or invisible powder?

[Barkeep49]

DOLA - At this point I think I've made my point and you've made your so unless some other player pipes in with confusion I'm done debating the topic.

[path12]

As I've already used one potion and will probably use a second to ensure my own survival, there won't be much left to give my comrade at this point either way.

Then there's no way you had a couple dozen items.

[RendeR]

Then there's no way you had a couple dozen items.


Really? I've been given 5 from villagers over the period of the game, I found 3, I had 2 recipes and an item to start out, I got everything from Swaggs (he had 6 or 7, and I've been holding almost everything we took from the night kills other than swaggs, why couldn't I have 20+ items? I also said some had been used/mixed but all totaled I easily have a couple dozen.

[RendeR]

I think I wasn't clear about my post you quoted actually, I won't have much "of value" to give my comrade.

Does that help?

[LoneStarGirl]

render, if you give me invisible powder I wont vote for you today :D

And i will try to convince everybody else not to vote for you too... c'mon you know you want to.

[hoopsguy]

I would prefer to have RendeR actually show us that he can do something, rather than just take his word for it. Actions stay where they are.

LSG, do you have any of the ingredients I was looking for?
- mushrooms
- chamomile (to combine with mushrooms)
- parsley
- lizard tail (to combine with parsley)

[RendeR]

render, if you give me invisible powder I wont vote for you today :D

And i will try to convince everybody else not to vote for you too... c'mon you know you want to.

Ok I might be silly, but I'm not stupid ;)

Invisibility powder will come it very handy come lynching time, don't you think?

[RendeR]

I want to add that had the villagers opened up and cooperated better on day 2 they probably would have found us all out by now. Trust is such a fickle friend =)

[LoneStarGirl]

No I dont hoops, sorry

And Render, invisibility powder doesn't work on its own. You need something else...so you might as well let me have it so i can play with it

[path12]

Really? I've been given 5 from villagers over the period of the game, I found 3, I had 2 recipes and an item to start out, I got everything from Swaggs (he had 6 or 7, and I've been holding almost everything we took from the night kills other than swaggs, why couldn't I have 20+ items? I also said some had been used/mixed but all totaled I easily have a couple dozen.

I think you're bluffing. If you could have used all this stuff and won you already would have.

It does make today interesting though. ;)

[LoneStarGirl]

I really wish I had a potion or something... today would be a great day to use it.

[RendeR]

No I dont hoops, sorry

And Render, invisibility powder doesn't work on its own. You need something else...so you might as well let me have it so i can play with it

Actually as I've been given to understand, its a potion unto itself, and while it IS an ingredient in making the crystal ball there is nothing wrong with using it on its own either.

And its not like I'm going to give you the means of finding my companions, give me a BIT more credit than that =)

[RendeR]

I think you're bluffing. If you could have used all this stuff and won you already would have.

It does make today interesting though. ;)


If they'd work that way on their own I would have, but if I use them out of turn, I waste my time and get lynched in the process.

As I said, I've used one, and plan to use another before the deadline. This will hopefully keep me alive even if you DO lynch me tonight.

I have one other option open to me as well and will use it when the time is right.

[RendeR]

I'll toss out this little bone to you as well, I have the following recipes(and components to make 4 of them):


Silence
Poison
Sleeping
Eternal Bond
Holy Water
Invisible powder
Mind Control
Paralyze
Vitriol



Those I have scavenged from the game overall, between nights and kills and just plain being given them.

[RendeR]

DOH almost 4, gotta get ready for work, I'll be on from there later.

[LoneStarGirl]

Vitriol is a good thing to have, but you are missing one key ingredient to make it really work... and your invisible powder doesn't work that well alone, and although you have the recipe for mind control, you dont have the ingredients

[LoneStarGirl]

I would love to know who passed anything to Render throughout this game

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, if that is your real list then there is a whole mess of stuff that isn't going to help you:

Silence - would have been good yesterday in the close vote, not so much today

Poison - definitely would be helpful, although if it doesn't kill immediately we might cobble together a cure poison option

Sleeping - see "silence"

Eternal Bond - knowing who is good is redundant knowledge for evil

Holy Water - unless this protects from a lynch by the righteous, this seems useless. You are not afraid of a night kill, barring us having a certain item or two

Invisible powder - TBD, I kind of trust LSG more than you at the moment in terms of what this can/can't do

Mind Control - again, moving one persons vote isn't going to get the job done

Paralyze - broken record, locking up one person isn't going to do it

Vitriol - don't have a good guess what this one will do. Do you know?

[LoneStarGirl]

unvote render

[hoopsguy]

Gee, should we all follow LSG's unvote? RendeR, if that is the best you've got among your two dozen ingredients ...

[Barkeep49]

unvote render
I'm surprised to see that LSG.

[RendeR]

Hmm, if that is your real list then there is a whole mess of stuff that isn't going to help you:

Silence - would have been good yesterday in the close vote, not so much today

Poison - definitely would be helpful, although if it doesn't kill immediately we might cobble together a cure poison option

Sleeping - see "silence"

Eternal Bond - knowing who is good is redundant knowledge for evil

Holy Water - unless this protects from a lynch by the righteous, this seems useless. You are not afraid of a night kill, barring us having a certain item or two

Invisible powder - TBD, I kind of trust LSG more than you at the moment in terms of what this can/can't do

Mind Control - again, moving one persons vote isn't going to get the job done

Paralyze - broken record, locking up one person isn't going to do it

Vitriol - don't have a good guess what this one will do. Do you know?

Remember what I posted. I have the stuff for 4 of these. Any one alone is useless.

[RendeR]

I'm surprised to see that LSG.


I'm not, she's trying to flush out my actions or perhaps get the other wolves to move off me too.

[RendeR]

Gee, should we all follow LSG's unvote? RendeR, if that is the best you've got among your two dozen ingredients ...


Thats just the potions. Spells just need chanting ;)

[RendeR]

Vitriol is a good thing to have, but you are missing one key ingredient to make it really work... and your invisible powder doesn't work that well alone, and although you have the recipe for mind control, you dont have the ingredients

You may be right on the vitriol, but what proof do you have that I don't have the ingredients for Mind Control? If you know something more, spill it.

[path12]

I'm surprised to see that LSG.

It might have been compelled.

[ntndeacon]

you think Render or the other wolf has the Command spell, path.
(we have seen that potions are shown in the forum)
I am not so sure it is compelled. it is an odd move anyway.

[hoopsguy]

NTN, a single vote/unvote post without any explanation sure seems compelled to me.

[Barkeep49]

It might have been compelled.
I considered that of course. Still weak soup.

[Barkeep49]

To clarify it might very well be weak on Render's part.

[RendeR]

To clarify it might very well be weak on Render's part.


Why would that be weak on my part? I have stated all day that I have more than one thing to use. Whats weak about an opening gambit?

Of course in this case I don't think it was anything I did at all. I think she played around with something and tried it on herself and it backfired.

;)

[path12]

you think Render or the other wolf has the Command spell, path.
(we have seen that potions are shown in the forum)
I am not so sure it is compelled. it is an odd move anyway.


It was the only reason that came to me offhand.

[path12]

I considered that of course. Still weak soup.

Agreed. You'd think he'd have something better than that.

[RendeR]

Agreed. You'd think he'd have something better than that.


Tick Tock Goes the Clock
Time is slipping away
Ding dong tolls the bell
Of a lifetime squandered away

Their number is 5
More wolfies alive
Every vote must contrive
To the ending of a drive

Who will be next?
To switch their vote text?
Who might just lie?
So they do not die?

In rhymes do we find the meaning
In times often troubled and demeaning
A second vote down?
Perhaps a third turns it round?
And Saves poor RendeR's dingalingaling.

[RendeR]

"Once more unto the breach, one more vote to be beseached, whence came the most vocal to the fore. The votes will scatter forth and once more a death reporth, come st crispin's day."

[Passacaglia]

Anyone else picture render playing an accordian and dancing a jig while singing this?

[RendeR]

Nah, its more like the guy that answers the door in the Rocky horror picture show.....

[Chief Rum]

Gotta hand it to the new guy. He certainly made what should have been a dull day interesting.

All that said, cya Render!

VOTE RENDER

Don't no one be fooled. This is a move of desperation. He doesn't even know for sure what hardly any of these potions do.

[LoneStarGirl]

vote Render

I just wanted to be the last person to vote for him so I can make sure I get all of his stuff when he dies ;)

[Alan T]

For game purposes, the deciding vote in a 7-4 vote would be the 5th vote for that player. In addition, only the original vote for that player will count for each person when it comes to the deciding vote only. Players who unvote then revote for someone will not get a later vote in efforts to try to be the deciding vote.



;)

[Barkeep49]

vote Render

I just wanted to be the last person to vote for him so I can make sure I get all of his stuff when he dies ;)
Not to mention LSG it is a unanimous vote at the moment. Being the last person to vote on him wouldn't help anyway. If he votes it'll be the second one who gets his stuff, if he doesn't vote the first person who gets it.

[LoneStarGirl]

oh.... bastards

I really want that invisible powder damnit!

[LoneStarGirl]

I am going to be getting rid of all my stuff tonight because i am afraid i am a perfect target, especially with the holy water being on BK

[LoneStarGirl]

You know what though, I was the first person to vote for him... so i should get his stuff anyway ;)

[RendeR]

BURP

sorry to dissapoint you LSG, I just PM'ed Alan T to destroy everything that is left. I knwo the wolves can't use it, so I won't let you have it all either.

[RendeR]

I'm almost insulted. 20 minutes tod eadline and Pass, a DEAD GUY is the only one here to see me lynched.

damnit, if no one else shows up I say I ought to survive another day!!!

[Barkeep49]

I thought you claimed you were surviving another day? Get your lies straight.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am here render :D

[Passacaglia]

Sorry, I had stepped out. I'll probably be out at deadline.

[Barkeep49]

LSG I just sent you some stuff. Can I have it back?

[RendeR]

I thought you claimed you were surviving another day? Get your lies straight.


I claimed I COULD, never said i WOULD =)

I still had a pile of stuff though, burned it to ashes rather than see any of YOU miscreants with it.

A POX UPON you all of you, damn do-gooders.

[LoneStarGirl]

you already want it back? Sure

[LoneStarGirl]

We still have a wolf out there though.... maybe his name is Barkeep?

I was going to send you all my stuff I have... but decided against it for now...

I dont know why I just got a suspicious feeling about you BK, but I did

[RendeR]

We still have wolves out there though.... maybe one's name is Barkeep?




Fixed that for you.

[Barkeep49]

you already want it back? Sure
Thanks. I realized I might be able to use them after all.

[RendeR]

*throws a chair at barkeep*

[RendeR]

*looks around for something to disembowel people with*

[RendeR]

*BITES LSG*

[RendeR]

*Pummels passacaglia's ghost with a leather bound book*

[RendeR]

*les sighs*

[RendeR]

*hides in the storeroom*

[hoopsguy]

Isn't he dead yet?

[Barkeep49]

Yeah that'll work.

[RendeR]

Seriously, I can take LSG, if she's the only one hear I want to beat her with her own crystal ball thingy*

[RendeR]

Crap

[hoopsguy]

*hides in the storeroom*

If you hid in the kitchen it is a good bet that I would not be able to find you.

[Alan T]

Today was different from the previous days in the accusations started first thing in the morning, right after Passacaglia's body was found. All throughout the day Render seems to almost taunt all of you, which does nothing other than incite your desire to kill him off. Finally, you all have had enough. You all start to approach him, a bit cautiously perhaps even..

Right before the mob approaches, he puts up his finger as if to caution you all. He pulls from his backpack a bottle and quickly takes a drink before anyone can respond. He downs the entire thing and states loudly, "I warned you that I would do it... " He walks right up to Lonestargirl and then suddenly lets out a belch.. Lonestargirl is clearly not impressed and just finishes the task right away, stabbing Render in the chest with a nearby knife.

Render crumples to the floor, dead. Its not a huge suprise to see that he also has the mark of a sect member. Out of curiosity, one of you looks at the bottle that he had drunk to see what it was... you realize the foul smell was just that of Barg's Root beer.

Day 5 is now over, and it is night time. Please pm me with your night actions/night item usages and what rooms you wish to spend the night in by 9am EST tommorrow morning!

Final vote count:

(6) Render - lonestargirl (1201), barkeep (1202), hoopsguy (1206), ntndeacon (1214), path (1221), chief rum (1302)

[RendeR]

If you hid in the kitchen it is a good bet that I would not be able to find you.


That'd be funny if I had had ANY better luck than you in there....

[RendeR]

MMm, blargs, good to tha' las........*THUD*

[Swaggs]

Heh... Good stuff. :)

[Chief Rum]

All right, now we're rolling. But this one is tricky--who is the last wolf?

[LoneStarGirl]

I really thought Render would have something up his sleeve. I am kind of disappointed.

[LoneStarGirl]

2) Chief Rum
7) Barkeep
8) Path
11) Lonestargirl
13) Ntndeacon

So there are five of us left, one bad guy... 1-4. I think our obvious choice for tomorrow is Path, lets just hope one of us finds something good tonight.

[path12]

2) Chief Rum
7) Barkeep
8) Path
11) Lonestargirl
13) Ntndeacon

So there are five of us left, one bad guy... 1-4. I think our obvious choice for tomorrow is Path, lets just hope one of us finds something good tonight.

No, our obvious choice is not path. Path is a student.

[Barkeep49]

LSG: Hoops isn't on that list.

[hoopsguy]

LSG: Hoops isn't on that list.

Shhh, don't tell the wolves!

[Chief Rum]

Hey everyone, we made it back around to Tuesday and my next two-job day. So I probably won't be around, unless I can get to a computer between jobs (which usually isn't likely). Tonight I went to the storeroom, and I passed away the only item anyone else has been looking for.

If I had to vote right now, I would look at ntndeacon and path as the best candidates. NTN was a part of my original Ardent-NTN-Render theory (which was weak, I'll admit, but, hey, two wolves), and I think it's possible he voted for Ardent as a trust-building move, only to watch helplessly as Pass's late switch killed AE two days ago. As for path, I know hoops has developed some theory on him, and I know path was still on hoops during the AE thing (but then so was LSG). Yeah, it's weak, but I didn't say the serach for a wolf today would be easy.

I definitely recommend looking at Render's votes now, too, especially in relation to AE's. You might be able to pick up a pattern that will reveal someone else.

Good luck!

[Alan T]

For a second day in a row, the mood is upbeat as you start to arrive in the morning. You feel that suddenly you are about able to remove yourselves of the threat that the sect brings, and perhaps start rebuilding this once great school for future generations. It is not too suprising to see once again one of your members not join you this morning. This time it is Lonestargirl whom is tardy for breakfast.

Searching throughout the area, finally she is found in the storage room. She has no signs of cuts, but is clearly not breathing. She has severe rope burns on her neck, apparently strangled to death.

Day 6 has now begun! Deadline for day 6 is tonight at 10pm EST.


During this day you may do the following:

1) Vote for a player that you feel is a sect member to kill. (post in the thread)
2) Vote for no kill at all. (Post in the thread)
3) Pass an item, ingredient, potion or magical item to another player (PM me with the information.)
4) Attempt to create a new potion or magical item (PM me with the ingredients and/or items you wish to use in your recipe)
5) Drink a potion (PM me)
6) Throw a potion at someone else (PM me, results will be publically shown in the thread at the end of the day.)

[Barkeep49]

Ok I think our wolf is on the list of ntn, path, and hoops. I tend to think hoops is a villager which means for me that I'll likely be voting for either path or ntn. Good news is that we should be able to get this one wrong and still be able to win the game.

[Barkeep49]

I know also have newt tail and mercury. Combined with my cactus tail and yellow flower perhaps I can make a potion today?

[Barkeep49]

That should be now not know.

[hoopsguy]

I'm hoping LSG was able to unload some of her stuff before passing away. I did not receive anything from her, so hopefully others did.

I found grapes last night in the storeroom. I suggest if we need to find something in the kitchen between now and the end of the game that you not count on me to head back there. I'm as worthless there in this context as I am at home.

I've still got two potions and now have mushrooms and grapes. So if someone wants to provide me some chamomile I can make a potion. Otherwise, I'm looking for parsley and lizard tail for the other potion.

I'll be ready to get into voting discussions after everyone reports in for the day. I would love to have another wolf on a silver platter like yesterday, but I doubt we are that fortunate.

[path12]

I spent the night in the storeroom but came up empty. I still have the soured milk from Barkeep if needed.

As for a target today, I'm going to go back through RendeR's and AE's posts and see if anything is there that may help.

[path12]

Oh, and I didn't get anything passed to me from LSG either.

[hoopsguy]

Well, it looks like the wolf/wolves may have a little more stuff to play with today than they did yesterday.

I'm not sure there is anything that we are going to see in votes to help us along.
Day 1 - no lynch
Day 2 - Izulde, LSG, Barkeep, and me. Two dead villagers, one pseudo-cleared by Pass (would holy water hurt a wolf?), and me (I know I'm a villager)
Day 3 - Lathum, Barkeep, and me. See previous day
Day 4 - Ardent and me. Wolves should want to protect their own, but did a wolf get stuck based on last-minute move from 5-3 to 5-4 the other way?
Day 5 - Runaway on RendeR

So it looks like we would have to focus more on their posts than their votes.

[hoopsguy]

Wow, awfully quiet this morning. I'll still wait a little longer for NTN to check in, but Chief is unlikely based on his earlier message.

Barkeep, I'll start with you as I consider you the most trusted person at this point. You had the ability to off me on Day 4 and swung your vote late to Ardent. That, more than the holy water, clears you in my book. Add to that the post reviews - that take a ton of effort - and your reaction when you thought you were a goner on Day 3 and I'll consider this trust pretty close to 100%. So you = good guy is my primary assumption for today.

1.) Do you consider Path as the primary suspect?
2.) Do you think that the bad guys knew that a tie = no lynch? Ardent put in votes that made this a possibility earlier in the game. If you think they knew this, then perhaps this is an area to review posts - did anyone post prior to yesterday (when I asked Alan) with seeming knowledge of the tie rules?
3.) How do you sort out NTN vs Chief Rum in terms of trust levels?

[hoopsguy]

Telle, can I get your thoughts on who is a wolf? :)

Seriously dead so far today.

[LoneStarGirl]

I dont think Telle has left this thread in 4 days... he must really love Werewolf

[Lathum]

I dont think Telle has left this thread in 4 days... he must really love Werewolf

Telle= Mrs. Render

[hoopsguy]

Telle = Mrs. Pass, I believe.

[hoopsguy]

Oh wait, isn't that Lurker?

[Passacaglia]

I was really hoping Telle would pop in yesterday and give a rousing defense of RendeR. Or at least joined him for a duet.

[Passacaglia]

Oh wait, isn't that Lurker?

This post is right, and so is Lathum's.

[hoopsguy]

So, whenever the rest of the people that are still alive in this game want to join me for some discussion, that would be cool.

No offense to the dead guys :)

[Alan T]

So, whenever the rest of the people that are still alive in this game want to join me for some discussion, that would be cool.

No offense to the dead guys :)

Hoopsguy = Bruce Willis?


"I see dead people"

[Telle]

I was really hoping Telle would pop in yesterday and give a rousing defense of RendeR. Or at least joined him for a duet.

Well I didn't get to the end of this gigantic thread until just now. It is rather entertaining though :)

[hoopsguy]

Hoopsguy = Bruce Willis?


"I see dead people"

Come out to Sorcery Hill. We'll get together ... have a few laughs.

[path12]

So, whenever the rest of the people that are still alive in this game want to join me for some discussion, that would be cool.

No offense to the dead guys :)

I'm putting something together right now.

[path12]

OK, here is my premise. Since RendeR was a first time wolf, I thought if I go through his posts and see what he had to say about and to those of us who are still alive, that we might get some idea about where to go today. So:

UNVOTE LSG
VOTE BARKEEP


This was a last minute switch (9:59 PM) to Barkeep that still kept him 1 short of a tie.

My reasons for voting LSG weren't strong enough to hold it that way and other have made some small case for BK so I went there instead.

Explaining the prior vote.

Excuse me? Just how do you back this claim up? You could be night killed just like everyone else...Unless of course...

In response to hoops' mention about not getting night killed.

I'm beginning to think the Pass, path, ntn, hoops etc group that has been doing all the real talking may well be the wolves carrying on their own campaign of deceit.

path is one of the others, I still have this nagging sensation that you're playing a very devious game of data mining and night kill setups...its so open as to seem transparent, and thats what bothers me...

I'm going to assume that was the holy water?

ANd yes, that would appear to clear BK completely in my book =)

We're past day 2 and he's still alive? ;)

In response to why hoops might be a wolf.

Your vote carries a lot fo weight with me BK, based on all the other info about you, How solid are you on the trust in LSG? I'm willing to move if someone offers up some serious trust or vouches for LSG.

Ok THIS post just reeks of a wolf scared out of his heavy woolen cloak. You've been on my list as well hoops and this sudden cheering for people to vote for 1 person and then pushing pass to swing his vote elsewhere is just too suspisiouc to me.


In response to a post by hoops.

So, the question is does this tell us anything. The mentions of those still alive:

hoops -- suggests may be a wolf four times and votes for him once.
path -- suggests may be a wolf two times, no votes.
ntn -- suggests may be a wolf once, no votes.
barkeep -- votes for once at deadline with explanation afterward. says the holy water clears him. also says that he trusts his judgement.
chief -- no mention.

I find the mentions regarding Barkeep most interesting. A last minute switch that does not put him in actual danger of getting lynched. No mention of suspicion about him before or after this point, as a matter of fact says he trusts him.

After going through this, I end up wondering most about Barkeep and Chief Rum.

VOTE BARKEEP

[hoopsguy]

Path, if you are going to head for one of those two I think Rum makes more sense. BK's switch at 9:00PM helped hang Ardent instead of me.

Obviously that doesn't mean jack if you think that BK and I could be wolves together, along with Ardent. But that would make all three of us idiots for putting ourselves in that position. So if you accept that I am a villager, and I was lined up against a wolf (Ardent), then what motivation would BK have to swing his vote right at the deadline?

[path12]

Path, if you are going to head for one of those two I think Rum makes more sense. BK's switch at 9:00PM helped hang Ardent instead of me.

Obviously that doesn't mean jack if you think that BK and I could be wolves together, along with Ardent. But that would make all three of us idiots for putting ourselves in that position. So if you accept that I am a villager, and I was lined up against a wolf (Ardent), then what motivation would BK have to swing his vote right at the deadline?

Fair point and I didn't take that into account. I'm thinking there's one wolf left -- none of RendeR's other threats seemed to come to fruition yesterday so I discount the conversion talk.

And Chief's omission from Render's posts is interesting also. I will say that after going through those I feel much better about you than I did.

[path12]

Dola, what are your thoughts about ntn?

[hoopsguy]

The crux of the issue for me is whether the wolves were caught flat-footed at the end with my vote with AE. I believe they would like to avoid being grouped together, so that at least one of them would vote for AE. If they knew a tie was helping their cause by no lynch (I'm planning to search on this when I get home tonight) then they had to feel pretty secure about their position.

Would Chief, as a wolf, have gotten a ball rolling on AE knowing that there was a good chance I would follow him, instead of jumping on the status quo between you and I as villagers (if you are a villager)? It doesn't seem to hold much value for that day, but might have played well the following day. I'm not sure how much of a reach this is or not. And I'm not sure what to make of his post-lynch comments where he didn't want to take credit for "getting" AE, which would normally be credit a wolf would want if they had sacrificed one of their own.

NTN came in as the third vote on Ardent, making it a little more interesting. The wolves still had RendeR hanging out on LSG, who then flipped over to make it 5-3 as we headed into the final 15-20 minutes. Would he have moved off Ardent and over to me with another minute or two of time? Not sure.

If the wolves were united on me, well you (Path) are the only one left who voted in that direction at this point.

I'm thinking that search on the ties could be compelling. I would encourage someone else to conduct a parallel effort (just search "tie" every page) in the event that the wolves have a silence potion or something else that could prevent posting as we head down the stretch tonight.

[hoopsguy]

NTN has been my most consistent supporter this game. He passed me an item that would probably have value for the wolves (unless they already had one) earlier in the game. He has generally accepted my viewpoints. I would be more suspicious of him if AE had not been playing the same game before turning on me post-Lathum (later in the day, not coming out firing). However, I don't think the wolves would have multiple people adopt that strategy. Right now I'm leaning towards Chief over you.

I know that I over-analyze situations based on my interactions with people, rather than taking the game as a whole. Every once in awhile it provides keen insight, but a lot of the time I start obsessing over a smaller point that I misjudge/misvalue.

Back at you - do you have strong feelings one way or another on NTN?

Path, going back to earlier in the game, why did you react so strongly to my suggestions on the Eternal Bond potion? If you trusted Path, then why did you seem upset that I suggested you pass it to him? I got your vote almost immediately after that, for appearing "wolfish".

[Barkeep49]

path: I don't quite get your evidence against me, honestly. It seems to me that you think I'm a wolf since a wolf voted for me because I wasn't the vote leader at the time, is that correct?

I really think you're falling into the same trap hoops did: I come out vocal against you so you think I'm a wolf. Either that or you are a wolf and know I'm a villager and want to knock me out since time and time again I've been against you.

I think our wolf is either NTN or path. I would love to listen to evidence against ntn, and could be swayed in that direction. However, for reasons I've talked about on multiple days I'm going to stick with path for today.

Vote path

[Barkeep49]

hoops, I'm confused... you think CR started the run on AE as a wolf?

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, Path is the easiest candidate for me to look at because his vote was on me in the AE race.

But wolves always want to avoid linkage, and if they thought the worst they could get was a tie then why not stay split up? RendeR stayed on LSG until the race tightened up to 4-3, then moved over to me. With a minute to go, it was 5-3.

Look at AE's reaction when he learned he was dead. He appeared to be really caught off-guard. Possibly because it didn't need to go down like that? That one of his own was stranded with a vote on him?

I've more or less talked myself believing this position over the course of yesterday and today. Maybe I'm thinking too hard here - they might have just piled on me with the idea of defending "well of course we went after Hoops, look what happened with Lathum!" and hoped that attention didn't go back to AE the next day.

So then it is Chief Rum or NTN. I'm not voting for you for reasons already mentioned - as far as I'm concerned, if you are the last wolf then you are probably going to win this game.

Maybe I should go back and look at voting records and see who conspicuously avoided being grouped with AE and RendeR ... that is project #2 for this evening.

[hoopsguy]

hoops, I'm confused... you think CR started the run on AE as a wolf?

What is more likely, CR starting the run with the first vote to make it 4-1 or NTN continuing it as a wolf to make it 4-3. Assuming both know that they have another vote in hand with RendeR sitting on LSG, thus giving them 5 of 9 votes at the time even without their vote?

[path12]

path: I don't quite get your evidence against me, honestly. It seems to me that you think I'm a wolf since a wolf voted for me because I wasn't the vote leader at the time, is that correct?

I really think you're falling into the same trap hoops did: I come out vocal against you so you think I'm a wolf. Either that or you are a wolf and know I'm a villager and want to knock me out since time and time again I've been against you.

I think our wolf is either NTN or path. I would love to listen to evidence against ntn, and could be swayed in that direction. However, for reasons I've talked about on multiple days I'm going to stick with path for today.

Vote path

I'd like to think you'd give me credit to be a better player than to vote you just because you came out against me. I didn't get the reasons why you did (you said it was because I defended you), and that is what piqued my interest more than the fact that you came out against me. Again, I think coming out strong against someone is a technique you use often, so that in itself doesn't say anything IMO.

The reason I put my initial vote your way today after going through Render's posts is not simply because he voted for you.

He voted for you at 9:59. That still put you one short of being lynched and did not save the person who he switched from. It was an odd vote, and one that reeks of a late switch to a fellow wolf in order to be able to say later "hey, I voted for Barkeep", if you had been found lupine. I can't think of any other reason for him to make that switch.

The other thing was that out of the five of us who are left, the only one he mentioned trust for in thread was you. As a first time wolf, I think that is interesting.

Now, he only mentioned ntn in passing and didn't mention Chief at all, so it is very possible that he was bound and determined not to link himself with any of his fellow wolves at all. But I thought the interactions regarding you rang loudest in my mind.

I still don't understand the evidence against me, other than the fact that out of everyone who voted for hoops in the AE/hoops showdown has been outed or killed except for me. Other than that, the argument seems to boil down to the fact that I helped Pass and Swaggs with both items and recipes so that means that I must be trying to elbow my way into a position of trust. And frankly, that is a very weak argument.

[hoopsguy]

Votes - I didn't focus on Day 1 but it is easy enough to pull them up. It was the no lynch/lynch discussion.

Day 2:
Ardent - Izulde
RendeR - Barkeep
Path - Izulde
NTN - Path
Rum - Barkeep

Day 3:
Ardent - Lathum
RendeR - Lathum
Path - Lathum
NTN - Barkeep
Chief - Barkeep

Day 4:
Ardent - Hoops
RendeR - Hoops
Path - Hoops
NTN - Ardent
Chief - Ardent

Notice that Path votes in line with both wolves not only on the critical Day 4 vote but also in the non-critical Day 3 vote (non-critical unless BK is a wolf, which again doesn't add up for me). I don't see this as an experienced wolf play. Path is looking good to me here, in an odd sort of way.

So, I'll be deciding between Chief and NTN. Flip a coin? Maybe, but hopefully some post dredging later helps me feel less random about my pick.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, Path is the easiest candidate for me to look at because his vote was on me in the AE race.

But wolves always want to avoid linkage, and if they thought the worst they could get was a tie then why not stay split up? RendeR stayed on LSG until the race tightened up to 4-3, then moved over to me. With a minute to go, it was 5-3.

Look at AE's reaction when he learned he was dead. He appeared to be really caught off-guard. Possibly because it didn't need to go down like that? That one of his own was stranded with a vote on him?

I've more or less talked myself believing this position over the course of yesterday and today. Maybe I'm thinking too hard here - they might have just piled on me with the idea of defending "well of course we went after Hoops, look what happened with Lathum!" and hoped that attention didn't go back to AE the next day.

So then it is Chief Rum or NTN. I'm not voting for you for reasons already mentioned - as far as I'm concerned, if you are the last wolf then you are probably going to win this game.

Maybe I should go back and look at voting records and see who conspicuously avoided being grouped with AE and RendeR ... that is project #2 for this evening.

Ok, the thing is that Render's vote against you should have been the nail in the coffin. It should have been what won the wolves the game. By getting rid of you they were looking at a 4-3 the next day. If only one villager voted against another villager the wolves would have won the game. At that point, so close to the end of the game, I, as a wolf, would have been willing to risk putting all of the eggs in one basket. As I see it lynching you wins the wolves the game. Lynching anyone else does not. The only way I see CR as a wolf is if Pass had also been a wolf. By making sure AE gets lynched instead of you it effectively builds in trust by being the lynching on a wolf. Otherwise, I just don't see the motivation, in what was an end game, for the wolves to try and make themselves look good by voting for another wolf.

That, path, is the biggest evidence, I feel, against you. I feel your game has been off, but more than that I think the wolves would have been willing to do whatever it took to lynch a villager on that day since essentially it should have won them the game.

[Barkeep49]

Hmm. Hoops voting analysis is interesting, actually. That's fairly good evidence of his innocence.

[path12]

Notice that Path votes in line with both wolves not only on the critical Day 4 vote but also in the non-critical Day 3 vote (non-critical unless BK is a wolf, which again doesn't add up for me). I don't see this as an experienced wolf play. Path is looking good to me here, in an odd sort of way.

Besides the fact that I've had heat on me, now I can see why I haven't been night killed. I'm doing their work for them. :(

[Passacaglia]

Well I didn't get to the end of this gigantic thread until just now. It is rather entertaining though :)

If you actually made it through all 28 pages, you should play next time!

[path12]

Well, putting our thoughts together there is really only one option left.

UNVOTE BARKEEP
VOTE NTNDEACON

[path12]

That, path, is the biggest evidence, I feel, against you. I feel your game has been off, but more than that I think the wolves would have been willing to do whatever it took to lynch a villager on that day since essentially it should have won them the game.

I mentioned that before and agree. I haven't been able to read this game at all.

[Barkeep49]

If you actually made it through all 28 pages, you should play next time!
I second that thought.

[LoneStarGirl]

If you actually made it through all 28 pages, you should play next time!

Agreed, we need more girls in here (Lurker???) and you can probably sing better than Render too.

[Barkeep49]

So I'm going to go ahead and unvote path, but want to hear what CR thinks before casting my vote against ntn.

Unvote path

[Telle]

If you actually made it through all 28 pages, you should play next time!


I'm definitely thinking about it! This looks like fun :)

[path12]

I'm definitely thinking about it! This looks like fun :)

Yay! I like having new people play.

[ntndeacon]

The crux of the issue for me is whether the wolves were caught flat-footed at the end with my vote with AE. I believe they would like to avoid being grouped together, so that at least one of them would vote for AE. If they knew a tie was helping their cause by no lynch (I'm planning to search on this when I get home tonight) then they had to feel pretty secure about their position.

Would Chief, as a wolf, have gotten a ball rolling on AE knowing that there was a good chance I would follow him, instead of jumping on the status quo between you and I as villagers (if you are a villager)? It doesn't seem to hold much value for that day, but might have played well the following day. I'm not sure how much of a reach this is or not. And I'm not sure what to make of his post-lynch comments where he didn't want to take credit for "getting" AE, which would normally be credit a wolf would want if they had sacrificed one of their own.

NTN came in as the third vote on Ardent, making it a little more interesting. The wolves still had RendeR hanging out on LSG, who then flipped over to make it 5-3 as we headed into the final 15-20 minutes. Would he have moved off Ardent and over to me with another minute or two of time? Not sure.


I am not sure the question has merit as it is written, for if we have another minite or two, then those votes moving onto Ardent would have happened a minute or two later as well. That is the purpose of last minute shifts to make it impossible to react regardless of where you stand.

As far as my intent, It seemed that there was a start of a movement toward AE when I voted. I expect that there had been a little time to react, then I would have chosen not to react, and stay put.

[path12]

Path, going back to earlier in the game, why did you react so strongly to my suggestions on the Eternal Bond potion? If you trusted Path, then why did you seem upset that I suggested you pass it to him? I got your vote almost immediately after that, for appearing "wolfish".


Almost missed this.

I've just spent the last 10 minutes going back through day 2 and 3 and don't see this. I see you mentioning the eternal bond recipe, but I voted for Izulde that day. The next morning I don't see anything either.

[ntndeacon]

I need to quickly make a vote here since iwill be out til at least 9:30 Central time. Hopefully I last til then since it seems like a couple folks mistakenly think I a m the last wolf. This probably isn't the best vote for self preservation, since he is yet to vote, but this will at least be somewhere you may look next. since if Idie today, then tomorrow will make or break who wins.

Vote Chief Rum

[hoopsguy]

Not much new on my trip home. Guess I'll come back closer to deadline and hope to find people around for the discussion.

[st.cronin]

There are four dead people lurking in the forum right now.

[Swaggs]

Boo!

[LoneStarGirl]

I think we are all anxious to see who the last bad guy is

[Barkeep49]

I think we are all anxious to see who the last bad guy is
I know I am.

[Alan T]

me too!

[path12]

Man, my connection is sloooooooooow. I'll check back later.

[Passacaglia]

I told Alan this before, but this is the most interested I've been in a game as a dead person.

[Barkeep49]

me too!
Oh that's reassuring. Even the GM doesn't know who the bad guy is. Man.

[hoopsguy]

Just finishing dinner, will be around for final wrap-up chat/vote in about 15 minutes.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so does anyone have a vote count?

[hoopsguy]

And Telle does not supply the vote count. Boo!

Vote count, as of Post #1399:
NTN - Path (1379)
Rum - NTN (1388)

[Barkeep49]

Hoops, are you going with NTN?

[hoopsguy]

I guess, but want to go through the posts looking for "tie" references first. Still not locked in on him as the bad guy.

NTN passed me a sleeping potion - why wouldn't they keep it around to try and monkey with a vote late? Chief passed me Mushrooms yesterday, giving me one of the two ingredients I needed for a potion, so both have used passing to potentially build trust. As did Ardent ...

[Barkeep49]

As far as I know the tie mechanism was unknown publicly until Alan published it on Day 4 or 5.

[Barkeep49]

I take it you've completely ruled out path then?

[Barkeep49]

Also, I've got all these ingredients and no potion to make. I'm tempted to just destroy them rather than risk them falling into the bad guy's hands tonight as there doesn't appear to be any real potion i can make with yellow flower, cactus bulb, newt tail, and mercury.

[Barkeep49]

Also I hope things are OK with CR since he seemed to indicate he'd be around this afternoon and hasn't been.

[hoopsguy]

First request on ties, by AE at Post #614:
What happens in a tie? NM, I'll look it up.

He follows up on Post #619:
I can't find anything on a tie.

Rum forces a tie in Post #630, one minute before deadline:
I have to vote now, assuming Alan cuts it off at 10 EST, even if he's not here. It' sbetween Lathum and BK. I will stick with my suspicions from yesterday.

VOTE BARKEEP

Swaggs and AE come in a minute later, each voting for Lathum. What are the odds that AE and Chief would act on different people to bust up the tie potential? Given the late votes, it could have been inadvertant. But if you believe AE knew the answer to his questions, then he was not working with Chief at this time.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[hoopsguy]

I take it you've completely ruled out path then?

For today, at least, yeah.

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, I'm wondering what kind of voting hijinks are coming. Not a lot of players left, but is Chief planning on swooping in late to force a tie?

If there was a conversion last night, or even a day earlier, then it would be pretty easy to mess up this vote and get the 1:1 ratio, given the lack of attendees here.

[Barkeep49]

I feel like voting ntn is an early game vote. I don't think he's NOT a wolf but I don't think he really is either. I still kind of feel sad it looks like path is innocent since I'd been so convinced for so long.

Vote ntn

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, I'm wondering who dies tonight in the event that we are wrong here.

I agree that I'm a long way from comfortable with the vote.

[Alan T]

Deadline

[hoopsguy]

And now we wait for Alan. This feels very lame compared to the weekend action. Or even yesterday, thanks to RendeR's performance over the last few hours.

[LoneStarGirl]

this game is getting slow and yet i am still intrigued by it

[LoneStarGirl]

i am suprised not all 5 alive people are here.. did all 5 of y'all vote?

[hoopsguy]

Not Chief Rum, who didn't make it here today at all.

[Alan T]

Today starts off rather slugishly, almost as if everyone was sleeping in. At times the silence was so deafening it was almost like you could hear the ghosts within the hall speak from the grave. Most feel that the school masters would have been proud of the cooperation and effort that was put together here in order to find the two sect members thus far. How many more remain now however?

It appears as if no one is beyond suspicion, however the attention seems to lock down to two people, Chief Rum and Ntndeacon. A few of you go back and forth, trying to decide which is the one to go for.. Finally Hoopsguy makes the choice to step forward and starts walking towards ntndeacon with the intent to kill him.

Ntndeacon's eyes show fear.. .no not fear.. desperation.. He reaches frantically into his bag for something and pulls out a potion. Hoopsguy was just too quick for him however, and slaps the potion out of his hand. Hoopsguy grabs Ntndeacon by the hair and throws him down on the floor. Instead of killing him outright, he rips off the sleeves of Ntndeacon's shirt revealing a symbol of that belonging to a sect member. Hoopsguy nods knowingly and ends it right there. He sticks a knife deep into Ntndeacon's heart, leaving no doubt of his death.

Suddenly, you hear a large thud from outside of the great hall. The doors swing widely open, allowing light to sweep into the greathall. In comes a few of the school masters as well to survey the scene. They nod knowingly to you that remain, and the eldest of the bunch speaks," It was a great evil that you have defeated this day. All of time will remember what happened this week in these halls. It will take us quite some time to rebuild these schools, but at least we will be able to rebuild them thanks to you."

Final vote:

(3) ntndeacon - path (1379), hoopsguy (1407), barkeep (1410)
(1) Chief rum - ntndeacon (1388)

No vote: Chief Rum


Game over, the Students have won!

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I would like to thank everyone for the game, it has actually been one of my most enjoyable to host. I don't think there was a day that I was bored, and I thought several of you made exceptionally great reads and made outstanding plays.

I am really interested in people's comments about the game, the game balance, the enjoyment of the game and other such things. I actually had people tell me both the game was favoring the wolves and the game was favoring the good guys, so I am curious what others think. I think the bad guys were really close to winning, and an amazing amount of luck turned the game around for the good guys and they rolled from there.

I think there were really some quite strong good guys left at the end of the game the last few days and they put together great analysis after the lucky Ardent vote. I also think the bad guys played a good game, but had a few mistakes that cost them. (The biggest being when Render destroyed ingredients before he died rather than passing them to ntndeacon. That prevented them from being able to create the potion that would be able to convert someone)

I'll post all of the details of what went on behind the scenes, but I would like to thank everyone (good and bad alike) for a great game, I loved the enthusiasm Render had when he was dead in the water, I really didn't think anyone had a bad game per say. Was alot of fun to host.

[LoneStarGirl]

Yauy we won.... I can't believe NTN was a bad guy this whole time

[LoneStarGirl]

So uhm yah, hoops, sorry I thought you were bad the whole game ;)

[Alan T]

Night room choices:

Library - 1/8th chance of finding a spell, 5/8 chance of finding a recipe, 1/4 chance of finding nothing.

Storage room - 3/4 chance of finding an ingredient, 1/4 chance of finding nothing

Kitchen - 1/2 chance of finding item, 1/2 chance of finding nothing.

Great hall - randomly identify information regarding one of the potions/spells/recipes/magical items in your inventory. Also tell you if you are afflicted with any latent enfeeblement (ie: poison)


Each consecutive night that you spent in the same room, you gained 1/8 chance of success. Once you pass 100% chance, you end up being 100% on the first and have a new chance at finding a second object depending on which room you were in.

[hoopsguy]

Nice - glad that we were able to finish it off. I'll be interested to hear who NTN would have gone after with the conversion if it were an option.

From where I sat, it didn't feel like the items et all had as big an impact on the game as I expected them to have. I thought the spells, potions, and items would be flying fast and furious from Day 3 on. Was this a byproduct of random.org not spitting out the right ingredients or was it by design?

It was fun actually trusting Barkeep (90%, at least) for a couple of days. It has been awhile since we were on the same side in a game and had that luxury.

I thought Pass played a really good game, as others have noted. He seemed to release info at just the right time and I obviously appreciated that he swapped his vote from me to AE on Day 4.

Thanks to the bad guys for using me as a patsy instead of killing me early. It was fun, in a twisted way, having to work so hard this game.

Lathum, I've already said it in the thread and via IM but I'm very sorry for the screwup that contributed to your lynching.

[Lathum]

Thanks for running the game Alan. I wish I had been able to focus more but I was at my in- laws for most of it.

I must admit at first I was pretty pissed the way hoops falsely accused me and everyone followed him.

As soon as Render voted for me that day I knew he was a bad guy.

I think the game got interesting in the end but IMHO took to long to develop, it would have been neat from both sides to see more potions used earlier with a better understanding.

[hoopsguy]

So uhm yah, hoops, sorry I thought you were bad the whole game ;)

Bah, I don't listen to anything you say anyway ;) But that Barkeep, now he is a guy that I'll follow :p

[Alan T]

Spells: (each only available one time per game)

Protect - If you learned this spell, you would have a nightly bodyguard action to protect someone each night from any action against them (good or bad). You could never guard the same person again however. Once you guard them once that was it for the game.

Mind Read - If you learned this spell, you could scan one person each night to learn their intentions (ie: if they were good or bad), and what their inventory was. You could only scan each person once the entire game.

Death - If you learned this scroll, you would gain a night kill action each night. This would stack with the normal sect member night kill action. This could be usable by good or bad.

Remove Poison - If you learned this scroll, you would be able to remove 1 person's poison each day of the game.

Command - If you learned this scroll, one time only during the game you could command everyone else to vote for one person (ie: duke action)

Illumination - If you learned this scroll, you could one time only during the game protect the entire room at night, and prevent any night action happening (good or bad) within that room.

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The only scroll learned during the game was Lonestargirl learned the remove poison spell, and unfortunatly (or fortunatly), no one ever put together any kind of poison weapon.

[LoneStarGirl]

I must admit at first I was pretty pissed the way hoops falsely accused me and everyone followed him.


See hoops, even lathum said people follow you for no reason ;)

[st.cronin]

Lonestargirl made a post the other day, something like "RendeR, ardent, and ntn have been lurking for a long time without posting anything." Blew my mind.

Watching this game from the sidelines was like watching that Oilers-Bills playoff game, where the halftime score was something like 35-3 Bills, and then the Oilers won.

[Alan T]

From where I sat, it didn't feel like the items et all had as big an impact on the game as I expected them to have. I thought the spells, potions, and items would be flying fast and furious from Day 3 on. Was this a byproduct of random.org not spitting out the right ingredients or was it by design?




It was mostly bad luck.. there were alot of ingredients out there that could have made various potions, but those wernt the recipes that you all learned. I would say that you all probably had 50% of the recipes, and a good number of items, but just not the ones that matched up. I'll go over that next post.

[hoopsguy]

Night room choices:

Library - 1/8th chance of finding a spell, 5/8 chance of finding a recipe, 1/4 chance of finding nothing.

Storage room - 3/4 chance of finding an ingredient, 1/4 chance of finding nothing

Kitchen - 1/2 chance of finding item, 1/2 chance of finding nothing.

Great hall - randomly identify information regarding one of the potions/spells/recipes/magical items in your inventory. Also tell you if you are afflicted with any latent enfeeblement (ie: poison)


Each consecutive night that you spent in the same room, you gained 1/8 chance of success. Once you pass 100% chance, you end up being 100% on the first and have a new chance at finding a second object depending on which room you were in.

Nice, so I had a 3/64 chance of whiffing my first three nights in the kitchen. Did RendeR really have a hard time finding items there as well?

[Alan T]

Magical items: (4)

Poison knife (kills player the next night after the attack, one time use, grants additional night action) - Poison potion + ceremonial dagger
acid knife (kills player instantly, one time use, grants additional night action) - vitriol + ceremonial dagger
Holy Shield (bodyguard) - Holy water + wooden shield
Crystal ball (seer) - invisible powder + globe


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The interesting thing is that the Bodyguard role could have been in play, however of all people to have gotten the ingredient needed for it, Render was the one with the Shield. That was a big plus for the bad guys as it kept a big villager role away for the most part of the game. All of the other magical items were missing something, for the most part due to horrible luck people had in the kitchen in finding items.

[LoneStarGirl]

Lonestargirl made a post the other day, something like "RendeR, ardent, and ntn have been lurking for a long time without posting anything." Blew my mind.

Watching this game from the sidelines was like watching that Oilers-Bills playoff game, where the halftime score was something like 35-3 Bills, and then the Oilers won.

Woohoo somebody finally notices my mad werewolf skills :D :p

[hoopsguy]

See hoops, even lathum said people follow you for no reason ;)

I'll keep posting my whack theories, and if people follow them it is their fault :D Also, I'll try not to fire on you Day 2 next game - at least Day 3, if the wolves let me live that long.

[Alan T]

Nice, so I had a 3/64 chance of whiffing my first three nights in the kitchen. Did RendeR really have a hard time finding items there as well?

Render found the shield, LSG found the globe in there. Your luck was amazingly bad though. You were really close to the 100% chance the next night when you gave up. However with the globe and shield out already, all you would have found would be a ceremonial dagger.

[Telle]

Lonestargirl made a post the other day, something like "RendeR, ardent, and ntn have been lurking for a long time without posting anything." Blew my mind.

Watching this game from the sidelines was like watching that Oilers-Bills playoff game, where the halftime score was something like 35-3 Bills, and then the Oilers won.

Ummm.. I think you got that backwards :)

[Barkeep49]

Frankly with this structure I'm not surprised the spells and potions didn't play a large effect and it's why only though really good luck did we win. I mean frankly AE was more a fluke than deduction. I really feel like the wolves deserved to win this one.

But I do agree that it was nice being on the side of good with hoops for a couple of days. We haven't talked WW in a while and it was nice being able to do so with someone I relatively trusted.

[hoopsguy]

I'm just about positive my wife would not have picked up on that result being backwards. Or even recalled the game.

[LoneStarGirl]

Lonestargirl made a post the other day, something like "RendeR, ardent, and ntn have been lurking for a long time without posting anything." Blew my mind.

Watching this game from the sidelines was like watching that Oilers-Bills playoff game, where the halftime score was something like 35-3 Bills, and then the Oilers won.

You know what is funny... I said that on Sunday and we ended up killing Ardent that night, Render the next, and NTN the next. They were online for like 30 minutes that day and none of them posted anything. I should really pay attention to things like that, but I dont. Which is why I will never be as good as Hoops ;)

[Alan T]

Potions (16):

Antidote (cures poison) - yellow flower, Grapes
Silencing potion (prevents player from posting in thread the next day, or making any potions/magical items, or using any scrolls. ) - Peppers, mold
*Poison potion (kills player the next day after usage) - poison flour , mercury
silent oil (allows you to follow someone's actions for the night) - olive oil, beeswax
blinding potion (removes sight for the night, prevents any night actions) - peppers, mushrooms
invisible powder (allows you to spy on one person's location at night) - artificial lens, ground up glass fiber
health boost (survive night attack if done by mundane means (no magic involved)) - parsley , lizard tail
vitriol (instantly kills someone) - 2 cactus bulbs
holy water (protects good guys for two nights, or would kill a sect member) - spring water (special container)
sleeping potion (prevents someone from voting or doing any day actions the next day) - chamomile, mushrooms
paralyze potion (prevents someone from taking a night action) - soured milk, mercury
potion of persuasion (Forces someone to vote the way you want them to) - newt tail, olive oil
potion of illusion (pretend to be someone else that evening) - newt tail, ground up glass fiber
potion of inspection (displays the posessions of the target) - artificial lens, beeswax

Only one of each of the following two can be made:
*Mind Control (conversion) - newt tail, dark tea leaves
Eternal bond potion (pink) (modified brothers role) - vine, newt tail



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Only the eternal bond potion, blindness potion and holy water was created. There were however enough ingredients out there to make several vitriols, antidote, silencing potion, paralyze potion, potion of inspection, and mind control potions

[LoneStarGirl]

I'm just about positive my wife would not have picked up on that result being backwards. Or even recalled the game.

you're married?

[LoneStarGirl]

barkeep you could have made vitriol... that would have been awesome to have

[Barkeep49]

Aw man. I could have killed someone. That would have been fun.

[Barkeep49]

barkeep you could have made vitriol... that would have been awesome to have
JINX!

[Telle]

I'm just about positive my wife would not have picked up on that result being backwards. Or even recalled the game.

She's probably not from Buffalo :)

[hoopsguy]

you're married?

Yep, she is currently sleeping on the coach next to me. If you want to check her and our new baby out visit http://easysite.com/addisonelizabeth.

The two of them are a real drag on my WW time - I blame them 100% for my slow start this game :D

[path12]

Man, am I glad that's over. ;)

Hoops and Barkeep, I was absolutely convinced at various times of your being bad, as you were about me. I'm glad we were able to work together this afternoon......the analysis really left only ntn out there.

Good game, Alan. I'll echo the thought about the items not coming into play as much -- I think it was going to be pretty hard to put the right information together in a WW situation where people usually don't want to give up info early. Nice twist.

[st.cronin]

The lynch of ardent has to be the strangest lynch I've ever seen in WW. It came out of nowhere, and really nobody actually believed in it.

[hoopsguy]

So, I guess NTN and Ardent both gave me items during Night 3 as a thank-you for my shoddy play :(:confused:

[hoopsguy]

It is kind of interesting that the wolves more or less hunkered down and collected their own items, without a big effort to get public trust.

Path, FWIW I only accused you of doing what I would have tried to do as a wolf this game. I thought you were one of a few people as wolves who would 1.) let me live for awhile as a villager 2.) work towards trust publicly. Ardent was on that list as well, but he didn't weird me out early in the game - only when he swung on Day 4 did he elevate from middle-of-the-pack for me.

[RendeR]

The lynch of ardent has to be the strangest lynch I've ever seen in WW. It came out of nowhere, and really nobody actually believed in it.

And without it the wolves would have won fairly easily.

[hoopsguy]

RendeR, thoughts on your first game as a wolf? What side do you want to be on next time out?

[RendeR]

Being a wolf was awesome. In my first 2 games I was a seer both times. In the second two just a plain villager. Having the seer ability was great, but being a wolf seriously kicks ass. Best role possible. IMO. Hopefully I didn't screw it up too badly in my first try! I think the luck was on the students side twice in this game and made a huge difference. First the utterly unreal lynching of Ardent, which as Cronin said was just freakish. Secondly our choice to kill one of the bonded people was a mistake, though only trial and error would show that. Giving away the second wolf the next day spelled doom for NTN. I really loved this type of game. The rooms and items and such really added an interest point in my opinion.

[RendeR]

Ok, somethings fubared, there should be four paragraphs in that post.....

[Alan T]

Some of the checks and balances I tried to introduce in the game.. I feel that usually in wide open games, it favors the villagers.. so this game not having any roles open in the start was a severe handicap. I wonder if it was too much of one.

The bad guys only had a night kill, nothing else special unless they too developed magic. The catch however is for anyone to use a potion, it would let everyone know who used it and who it was used upon. So bad guys would have to be very creative to really use anything, or they would have to work to make the magical items which required even more ingredients.

The no lynch was put in the game more of a tease than anything. It gave everyone yet one more thing to think about and was designed to possibly slow up the first day or so to allow the village more time to figure out how things worked before too many people died. I find it an interesting debate who no lynch hurts the most too, so that was always fun :)

[RendeR]

When's the next one?

[hoopsguy]

Looks like Tanglewood is on the clock. His last game was borderline insane with the overlapping roles.

[st.cronin]

I think no lynch on day 1 saved the village in this game. The move was to lynch Passacaglia, possibly the village mvp, and no wolves were pushing the lynch.

[Passacaglia]

Nice job, village! I'll post thoughts tomorrow.

[Lathum]

When's the next one?

lol, someone has the bug...;)

[Lathum]

[QUOTE=RendeR;1498969]Being a wolf was awesome. In my first 2 games I was a seer both times. In the second two just a plain villager. Having the seer ability was great, but being a wolf seriously kicks ass. Best role possible. IMO. [QUOTE]

I hate being a wolf

[path12]

It is kind of interesting that the wolves more or less hunkered down and collected their own items, without a big effort to get public trust.

Path, FWIW I only accused you of doing what I would have tried to do as a wolf this game. I thought you were one of a few people as wolves who would 1.) let me live for awhile as a villager 2.) work towards trust publicly. Ardent was on that list as well, but he didn't weird me out early in the game - only when he swung on Day 4 did he elevate from middle-of-the-pack for me.

Actually, that pretty much would have been my strategy if I'd been bad. :)

[ntndeacon]

Lonestargirl made a post the other day, something like "RendeR, ardent, and ntn have been lurking for a long time without posting anything." Blew my mind.

Watching this game from the sidelines was like watching that Oilers-Bills playoff game, where the halftime score was something like 35-3 Bills, and then the Oilers won.

that was happenstance if iremember correctly, but the one that got us was when someone said Now watch it be AE Render and ntn as the wolves and we are talking about all villagers.

[ntndeacon]

And by the way If we had gotten to convert at the end...
Barkeep

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, if that convert had happened we would have been in serious trouble without Rum showing up today. There would have been plenty of room for voting tricks near deadline - I was definitely concerned about that down the stretch when it was 1-1 with my vote pending and 30 minutes left.

[st.cronin]

I hate being converted, especially late in the game. I'd rather just be killed.

[Chief Rum]

You know what my fear is?

That we're all talking about villagers here, and the real wolves are ardent, NTN and render.

Yes, this was posted after LSG (about an hour or a little more), but I don't even recall her posting that until reading through this end game stuff.

I posted this not long before I switched to AE. In fact, this was the post I was referring to when I later said the reason I switched to AE was because he was fresh in my mind.

So even if LSG deserves more credit for pointing it out, I still give myself a little pat on the back.

I'll also say, while certainly nabbing AE as a wolf was luck, my decision to move to him was a calculated one that did exactly what I had hoped it would do--it revealed a wolf (two, if you count Render, whom I pointed out for his hoops vote before he was revealed by LSG via the Eternal Bond).

Okay, okay, that was the good.

Bad? I focused too much on Barkeep early. Sorry, BK. If it helps any, I clearly switched to trusting you after the potion incident with Pass, and I think I was pretty consistent with that.

I also had to miss out on today's vote thanks to work, which sucks. It's sometimes hard to get online if I run late at my first job, and we have been very busy.

I am glad you guys made the right choice today and got us that last wolf.

Alan, I really enjoyed this game, and thanks for running it. I do think we got lucky, and it maybe was angled more toward the wolves at the start (without the roles and a lack of information about putting together the potions/items). But I think we also showed that once we get past those disadvantages, the pendulum swung rather quickly against the wolves. Good game all around. Probably would have been a terrific 20-plus player game, as we would have had a lot more chances to create potions and make them figure in the results.

Good job villagers. I am looking forward to the next game.

[Barkeep49]

I do just want to point out that I was very forceful about certain things in this game purely because I believe them. This game just happened to have two things I believe in which made twice the force :).

I'll always maintain that we won this game more because of luck than anything. Frankly Render, I think we'd have looked your direction soon and your voting pattern was already suspicious to me even before LSG fingered you directly. If it's any relief, if you'd attacked me the last two nights it would have been blocked thanks to the holy water.

I think all three wolves deserve credit. They kind of took a back seat to some other players and if not for those meddling kids would have gotten away with it. To have such a consistent behind the scenes role is hard to pull off because of the fun of playing the wolves so they all deserve credit for it. I really don't think there's much of a flaw in the way they played at all.

Finally I'll just say that this game reminded me that there is value in post evaluation as my reviews of hoops and LSG made me trust them more. Of course it didn't help me at all when it came to path. I seem to be much better at figuring out who is a villager than who is a wolf.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA -- I know Tangle was excited about his game. He could start it after the 10th, which is luckily right now so hopefully we'll see a sign-up tomorrow and be ready to start soon.

[Alan T]

I do just want to point out that I was very forceful about certain things in this game purely because I believe them. This game just happened to have two things I believe in which made twice the force :).

I'll always maintain that we won this game more because of luck than anything. Frankly Render, I think we'd have looked your direction soon and your voting pattern was already suspicious to me even before LSG fingered you directly. If it's any relief, if you'd attacked me the last two nights it would have been blocked thanks to the holy water.

I think all three wolves deserve credit. They kind of took a back seat to some other players and if not for those meddling kids would have gotten away with it. To have such a consistent behind the scenes role is hard to pull off because of the fun of playing the wolves so they all deserve credit for it. I really don't think there's much of a flaw in the way they played at all.

Finally I'll just say that this game reminded me that there is value in post evaluation as my reviews of hoops and LSG made me trust them more. Of course it didn't help me at all when it came to path. I seem to be much better at figuring out who is a villager than who is a wolf.

I think what is interesting is all three wolves were found through different methods, and this game hilights the way WW can just roll over at times.

Ardent - Pretty much lucky grab, no doubt about that. As Cronin said, that was perhaps the most bizzare lynch I've ever seen. 9 times out of 10 I would assume what happenend that lynch could have only been orchestrated by bad guys, and in this case it was an amazingly lucky lynch. It was crazy to watch, and I was still amazed by it afterwards. I don't know if that lynch saved the game per say, and the villagers finally had started to form a CoT even before it, but it definitly was the catalyst to turn things around.

Render - This lynch was pretty much thanks to the good ole fashion WW role tip off. Just like a seer catching a bad guy or a bodyguard blocking a wolf and catching someone, Render was dead to rights. It probably only sped up the inevitable however as many people had their targets on Render thanks to the AE vote before the day even started. I loved how Render didn't go down quietly though, there is nothing worse than a boring day where the end result is already a given and nothing happens all day. I was hoping he was going to use the blindness potion on someone before he died to cast a shadow of doubt on whether or not he converted them or something. It also was bad luck that he destroyed the newt tail instead of passing it to ntn, as that would have allowed ntn to convert someone and possibly save himself the next day.

Ntndeacon - the good ole fashion lynch via deductive reasoning. While I thought Passacaglia, Swaggs and Lonestargirl all had strong games that got you all to a good spot in the end game, I really loved sitting back and watching the conversation the last day with Chief, Hoops, Path and Barkeep. Ashame that RL kept it from happening for the most part until the last hour of the day, but watching this lynch develop was probably the best all day. I sat on the edge of my seat wondering if people were going to take out Path, if ntn was going to skate, or if people would turn back on Chief. Pulling out the reason to vote ntn from the previous posts all game is probably the best part of WW and shows that sometimes you don't need a seer to be able to pick out a bad guy.

[RendeR]

Unfortunately I didn't know the newt tail was needed and ntn was missing in action for most of the day when i was lynched =(

[RendeR]

Wait, I didn't HAVE a newt tail, I had lizard tail (it was given to me specifically as lizard tail?) I gave the newt tail to hoops the previous day as a trust ploy.

[Alan T]

Wait, I didn't HAVE a newt tail, I had lizard tail (it was given to me specifically as lizard tail?) I gave the newt tail to hoops the previous day as a trust ploy.

Ahh I remembered that wrong. either way, ntn didn't know he needed it until after you had gotten rid of it. He didn't get the recipe to use it until the night after you died. :)

[LoneStarGirl]

I'll always maintain that we won this game more because of luck than anything. Frankly Render, I think we'd have looked your direction soon and your voting pattern was already suspicious to me even before LSG fingered you directly.



I think a couple of us were suspicious of Render was because he didn't back up his vote for me, he just voted. But that wasn't enough for us to vote for him I guess.

[Swaggs]

I had a great time with that game, even after I died.

I was surprised that the wolves killed me, as I pulled the late vote switch that, in the end, lead to Lathum getting lynched. I figured the rest of the villagers would suspect me, so the wolves would lead me alone.

I felt bad for Path, because (I think) Pass and I trusted him in our CoT, but, for whatever reason, hoops and Barkeep kept coming back to him--especially after Pass and I were killed by the wolves. I also felt bad because folks thought that I had given Path a potion, but I ended up keeping and dying with the blinding potion.

[Passacaglia]

I think all three wolves deserve credit. They kind of took a back seat to some other players and if not for those meddling kids would have gotten away with it. To have such a consistent behind the scenes role is hard to pull off because of the fun of playing the wolves so they all deserve credit for it. I really don't think there's much of a flaw in the way they played at all.

That's a good point. When I first heard who all the wolves are, I thought, "Damn -- how were we supposed to guess them?" But I know that I get giddy when I'm a wolf, and that makes it hard to play UTR.

Day 1 -- I'm just glad y'all didn't lynch me. I was worried that the rules said a majority needed to vote for no kill in order for it to work, and I think it was 7 out of 14. I was hoping that a majority needed to be more than 50% (not exactly 50%), or that he really just meant a plurality. Obviously, given that the most likely alternative was lynching me, I'm glad we went no kill. Although, I wonder what it would have been like if we had been more in favor of a kill then, and the vote was spread out (and not on me) -- my thinking was that with all the potions and items and such, if we delayed the game, we could have used magic to protect ourselves better. By the way, did the names mean anything? I was really hoping to study as many of the names as I could, and figure out some weird pattern or something.

Day 2 -- Probably the best example of crazy switched-up trust in this game. First, Barkeep was on my case a lot Day 1 and a little in Day 2, then ended up trusting me pretty well toward the end. But here, Swaggs and I got in a total catfight that would get sorted out Day 3. A lot of my play that day hinged on the fact that the wolves already knew most of the recipes, but now that the game has panned out, I'm not so sure they knew the recipes we had, most specifically Swaggs's holy water recipe. This was also the first of some horrific votes on my part -- I followed AE on Izulde, and didn't get a chance to check in before deadline. I was just kind of glad people were off my back.

Day 3 -- This was the big day of potion-making. Swaggs was the one to really get things started. He came out with what items he had, and gave me his mushrooms. That was only one of the ingredients I needed to make a blinding potion -- I also needed peppers. In return, since Swaggs was asking for a liquid, I gave him my spring water. He gave me his recipe for holy water. So we still needed peppers and a holy flask. After all this talk, I was ready to make a play like I had everything, to attract the wolves to kill me, when I had really passed it to Swaggs. Of course, that all went to crap in a ton of ways -- hoops mentioned the fact that I could still pass the items to someone else later in the day, shedding doubt to the wolves as to whether or not I would have them, then Swaggs said he had to leave shortly, so he wouldn't be able to do much with the ingredients anyway, then path showed up with the exact two ingredients we needed. So path passed them to me, and I passed them to Swaggs, who had all the other junk. Swaggs made both the blinding potion and the holy water. I thought he was passing one to each of us, but I guess he kept the blinding potion himself, which confused the heck out of me later on. So I spent the rest of the day thinking about who to send the holy water to, in hopes of making the holy shield out of it. I was looking at Swaggs, path, and somewhat ntn, who had passed my an artificial lens that never ended up being useful. In the end, I left work forgetting to pass it, which was fine, since I figured that with all the confusion it was 33/33/33 that either Swaggs, me, or path would die, and I didn't trust ntn as much as those guys, and if the three of us were equal shots to die I might as well just keep it. Voting-wise, I was potion-happy, voting people who didn't reveal anything, then unvoting when they did. I think I was on AE, then Render, then settled on Lathum (whoops -- but for the record, my vote for him came before hoops's accusation, so I wasn't a sheep!)

Day 4 -- This day started with LSG asking me several times who made the potions the day before, which seemed really wolfish to me -- but it made me glad to think that the conversation was such that only those of us on at the time were really able to follow it -- although I thought it was pretty obvious who was involved in making the potions. I just saw that AE passed mercury to hoops. Was that the same mercury that DT had? Kinda weird. Path came out with some information on the blinding potion -- what was that, anyway, path? This seems like the day that, for whatever reason, I moved up in a lot of people's trust, and it seems to me that's mainly because of the recipes that I had. Makes me wonder how I would have played differently as a wolf -- it seems like this would have been a really gun game to play as a wolf. I think this was also when path passed me the ingredients for the eternal bond potion, which I'm still fuzzy as to how we got them both. toward the end of the day, I used the holy water on BK -- he'd been on and off my radar at times, and I didn't even know what the stuff did, so I figured I'd use it on someone who was a bit of a question mark, but vocal enough where our opinion of him really mattered. I wasn't so sure that the result had cleared him, but between giving the order and actually throwing it, I was already starting to trust him more anyway.

Day 5 -- This was the day that path took a lot of heat, and I'm glad he ended up good, since I would have looked pretty foolish if he was innocent. Again, I threw another potion at a question mark -- I was hoping to bond with a wolf, so that they would be afraid to kill me. It didn't really work, but it at least told me that LSG was good. Right after I died, I started to freak out that the wolves had used a mind control potion or spell to make me think she was good. Anyway, I almost threw it at render, which would have told me he was evil. I only had something like 15 minutes until deadline, but I think since everyone was on, we could have got enough votes in time. As it was, we just got amazingly lucky with that vote on AE. Most of my vote for hoops depended on my theory that LSG was in cahoots with her, and was going to switch her vote to AE at the last minute. But knowing LSG was good, that boosted my trust in hoops, so I switched -- it was a race against the clock to get it done in time, since I had already seen BK's switch, stamped at 9 PM. Total luck -- seemed like with all the potions and junk, we weren't accomplishing much, but that really changed things, really catching the wolves by surprise. It really exposed render's vote, and left ntn's vote on the wolf. I tried to cast some suspicion on LSG, so they wouldn't think that we knew each other was good, then cleared her right before dying.

Day 6 -- Fun to watch, and I wish I had been alive for it, and free to make more witty comments!

Day 7 -- I probably would have been no help here. I likely would have been looking at either ntn or CR, but I'm glad you guys figured it out!

Fun game, Alan! It was cool being in a position to use the potions, even though I wasn't totally up on what they do.

[Passacaglia]

That was pretty rambly, and I'm not sure if the days even match up. Y'all get the idea, though.

[Passacaglia]

DOLA -- I know Tangle was excited about his game. He could start it after the 10th, which is luckily right now so hopefully we'll see a sign-up tomorrow and be ready to start soon.

Looks like tangle has been on today, so he'll likely be able to. If not, I'm out of town from Thursday evening until Monday morning, but I can post rules Thursday afternoon, let signups go over the weekend, and send out roles Monday morning. If that doesn't work, I can let the person after me go ahead.

[Alan T]

To answer some of your questions Pass..

No the names didnt mean anything... They were there just for flavor and for people to wonder what the names did :)

Day 3 - I wasnt sure why Swaggs didnt make the other potion when he made the holy water one. At first I thought he wasn't going to make it at all in fear that it would help the bad guys. but right at the end of the day he put the order in to make it and didnt leave a conditional order to pass it or use it on anyone. So the wolves got it.

Day 4 - DT had mercury that Ardent got when he killed him, however the same night that Ardent killed DT , he also found his own mercury in the store room. So he went from 0 mercury to suddenly 2 mercury. The reason they killed DT was because the two recipes the bad guys started with was for the poison potion and the poison knife. They needed mercury for that, however the other ingredient they needed (poisoned flour) never made it into the game. I honestly was suprised that no one ever really brought up the whole Ardent having the mercury thing. At the time what were the odds there were 2 different mercury in the game? And would you all have even known there could be 2 of an ingredient. Not saying that he should have been lynched there for having the mercury, but I was suprised that it didn't bring up any quesiton marks for anyone at all, or become a subject matter.

[Passacaglia]

Ah, so that's why he asked if it was flour, instead of flower. Heh.

[path12]

Pass: I found out that the blinding potion was to be thrown at someone you didn't trust and it would take away their sight (seems obvious enough in retrospect). I don't know what consequence would come from someone not being able to see.

[Barkeep49]

To answer some of your questions Pass..

No the names didnt mean anything... They were there just for flavor and for people to wonder what the names did :)

Day 3 - I wasnt sure why Swaggs didnt make the other potion when he made the holy water one. At first I thought he wasn't going to make it at all in fear that it would help the bad guys. but right at the end of the day he put the order in to make it and didnt leave a conditional order to pass it or use it on anyone. So the wolves got it.

Day 4 - DT had mercury that Ardent got when he killed him, however the same night that Ardent killed DT , he also found his own mercury in the store room. So he went from 0 mercury to suddenly 2 mercury. The reason they killed DT was because the two recipes the bad guys started with was for the poison potion and the poison knife. They needed mercury for that, however the other ingredient they needed (poisoned flour) never made it into the game. I honestly was suprised that no one ever really brought up the whole Ardent having the mercury thing. At the time what were the odds there were 2 different mercury in the game? And would you all have even known there could be 2 of an ingredient. Not saying that he should have been lynched there for having the mercury, but I was suprised that it didn't bring up any quesiton marks for anyone at all, or become a subject matter.
Alan it was hard to get a grasp, at least for me, of how many ingredients were theoretically in the game and how you balanced them. So someone having two of something wouldn't strike me as odd, especially early, as if there was a small amount of ingredients in the game.

I will say though that it seems like random.org had a large impact on gameplay as certain mechanics were never able to be used because of the dice rolls.

[Alan T]

Alan it was hard to get a grasp, at least for me, of how many ingredients were theoretically in the game and how you balanced them. So someone having two of something wouldn't strike me as odd, especially early, as if there was a small amount of ingredients in the game.

I will say though that it seems like random.org had a large impact on gameplay as certain mechanics were never able to be used because of the dice rolls.

I don't think i explained fully how I balanced the ingredients and what came into play. I think arguably if you had 3 or 4 seer type potions pop into play this game would be crazy easy. What I did was made some ingredients more abundant than others by listing them multiple times in the ingredient list. There were also safeguards on some of the more powerful potions where if they were attempted a second time, they would just outright fail.

I think the number of potions that you all had the ingredients for (about 9 or 10 of them), combined with the recipes you got, led to about 5 or 6 of them being possible to be made which is about what I had envisoned, perhaps a tad on the low side. I think the two places that I was the most frustrated with random.org was the kitchen and the library. Hoopsguy had horrible luck in the kitchen/ Render getting the bodyguard item, and in the library there should have been another spell or two that showed up with as much as people went there.


I am not a big fan of random.org, but sure enough I keep using it heavily in games. Perhaps thats something I need to try to think about next game a way to replace the randomness and instead use some other mechanism to have non-predestined roles distributed.

[Swaggs]

To answer some of your questions Pass..

No the names didnt mean anything... They were there just for flavor and for people to wonder what the names did :)

Day 3 - I wasnt sure why Swaggs didnt make the other potion when he made the holy water one. At first I thought he wasn't going to make it at all in fear that it would help the bad guys. but right at the end of the day he put the order in to make it and didnt leave a conditional order to pass it or use it on anyone. So the wolves got it.

Day 4 - DT had mercury that Ardent got when he killed him, however the same night that Ardent killed DT , he also found his own mercury in the store room. So he went from 0 mercury to suddenly 2 mercury. The reason they killed DT was because the two recipes the bad guys started with was for the poison potion and the poison knife. They needed mercury for that, however the other ingredient they needed (poisoned flour) never made it into the game. I honestly was suprised that no one ever really brought up the whole Ardent having the mercury thing. At the time what were the odds there were 2 different mercury in the game? And would you all have even known there could be 2 of an ingredient. Not saying that he should have been lynched there for having the mercury, but I was suprised that it didn't bring up any quesiton marks for anyone at all, or become a subject matter.

I was kind of torn on what to do with the potion and ingredients that I had. I figured that one of Path/Pass/me would be the one to die that night and I was thinking that the blind spell wasn't really that powerful, so I wasn't quite sure what to do and who to give things to, as I thought we were all three at equal risk.

[LoneStarGirl]

anybody message tanglewood? I am ready for a new game! :D

[Passacaglia]

BK sent me a message, so I assume he sent one to tangle, too.

[ntndeacon]

To answer some of your questions Pass..

No the names didnt mean anything... They were there just for flavor and for people to wonder what the names did :)

Day 3 - I wasnt sure why Swaggs didnt make the other potion when he made the holy water one. At first I thought he wasn't going to make it at all in fear that it would help the bad guys. but right at the end of the day he put the order in to make it and didnt leave a conditional order to pass it or use it on anyone. So the wolves got it.

Day 4 - DT had mercury that Ardent got when he killed him, however the same night that Ardent killed DT , he also found his own mercury in the store room. So he went from 0 mercury to suddenly 2 mercury. The reason they killed DT was because the two recipes the bad guys started with was for the poison potion and the poison knife. They needed mercury for that, however the other ingredient they needed (poisoned flour) never made it into the game. I honestly was suprised that no one ever really brought up the whole Ardent having the mercury thing. At the time what were the odds there were 2 different mercury in the game? And would you all have even known there could be 2 of an ingredient. Not saying that he should have been lynched there for having the mercury, but I was suprised that it didn't bring up any quesiton marks for anyone at all, or become a subject matter.

Actually I think Imentioned about the mercury, We knew about doubles by then, and I tossed it out there, but it might have gootten over looked a bit. Course Iknew he found some too. :)

[Barkeep49]

anybody message tanglewood? I am ready for a new game! :D
Tangle said he was getting back from vacation yesterday. Hopefully he'll check in today or tomorrow with his game. If not we'll start up Pass's game for a start of early next week.