Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[hoopsguy]

Racer, someone posted the assumption earlier that the dead Olympians who are being pounded (see the end of day recaps) suggested that Atlas was the Titan doing the kills. Furthermore, Atlas is the Titan associated with great strength.

I don't know that he is in the game, but it made sense to me in the context of this game so I've included it with my assumptions. I think it is almost certain that there are at least two Titans remaining (3+ starting, one dead).

[DaddyTorgo]

so you're both odysseus?

interesting!

looks like we've got one here guys. Racer or AE...where do we want to go with this tonight??

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm around on and off till deadline...i'll be pondering where to go with my giant 1 AP vote

[Neon_Chaos]

Racer, no holding back now, considering ardent revealed everything about his role, and you're on the block. It's either you or him.

What can you do as Odysseus?

[DaddyTorgo]

at the moment i'm more inclined to believe RaceR for the record...

[Racer]

Alright guys. I'll tell you what my power is because I really think it'd be bad for the Olympians if I am killed. It deals with the idea of the Trojan Horse. If I choose to follow the same player that the Titans attempt to kill, then I kill the Titan by sneak attacking. If I kill a Titan I am also banished from the game for underhanded tactics.

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE RACER

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

RaceR's explanation of his power makes way more sense to me than Ardent's. Either way though...i think we get a 1-1 and we're in good shape.

[DaddyTorgo]

I gotta go eat dinner but i'll be around on and off till deadline. Friday nights are usually slow, so

RaceR...if we can't get enough votes moved and you are the innocent one, at least know that we'll get a 1-for-1 out of it, so your sacrifice won't be in vain.

[Neon_Chaos]

Alright guys. I'll tell you what my power is because I really think it'd be bad for the Olympians if I am killed. It deals with the idea of the Trojan Horse. If I choose to follow the same player that the Titans attempt to kill, then I kill the Titan by sneak attacking. If I kill a Titan I am also banished from the game for underhanded tactics.

How do the points system work with that?

[Abe Sargent]

I buy Racer. A Wolf revealing as something someone already revealed as is porr strategy, especailyl since we can get them next.

Unvote CR
Vote Ardent

[st.cronin]

UNVOTE RACER

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

[Neon_Chaos]

Racer's reveal just feels wrong.

Racer was in the thread when ardent revealed, and he reveals an entire hour later.

As it is, we get a Titan today or tomorrow.

Unless they're both titans and are fucking with us... or one of them is Medusa, trying to buy the Titans some time in a desperate attempt.

[DaddyTorgo]

neon - he could have been AFK

[Neon_Chaos]

neon - he could have been AFK

True. Well, either way, we find out today who's lying and who's not.

[DaddyTorgo]

we just have to make sure we have the votes where we want them

[Neon_Chaos]

For the record, I am more inclined to believe ae's reveal. If I can't convince anyone to have their votes remain on Racer, I'm moving my votes over to ae.

[Alan T]

My wife called and is taking me out for a late dinner. So there is a good chance I might be a bit late with the results tonight. The deadline is still when the deadline is.. (10pm EST... or maybe earlier ) :)

Reminder, weekend play is extended due to people not being around much. I am setting deadline for Day 5 at 9pm EST on Sunday night (instead of the normal 10pm EST) due to not having internet at my new house yet, and having to come to my apartment to run the night deadline. :)

[Neon_Chaos]

But I will argue that Racer is probably the right lynching target, and we need to consolidate our votes.

[Telle]

Wow. Some rather, ummmm, interesting stuff going on. Gimme a minute to catch up.

[DaddyTorgo]

why do you believe AE over RaceR Neon?

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm curious. Perhaps we can discuss quickly

[hoopsguy]

I'm happy to discuss, but I haven't heard anything to make me move my vote from Ardent.

[Neon_Chaos]

Because I doubt ae would have been able to think up as complex rules that he claims he has for them not to be true.

And that the convenience of Racer's reveal, the pure and utter coincidence that ae could have picked the very role that Racer had... it's very highly improbable.

I'm almost sure Racer is lying, and lying really well.

[hoopsguy]

Nor have I seen anything where Ardent needed to talk to Alan about his vote, which he referenced earlier after putting the vote on me.

[hoopsguy]

Neon, so what is Racer's angle here? His lie buys him one day at most and ensures a trade-off with a Hero, not an Olympian?

If he was looking to bluff, wouldn't he want to try and take out an Olympian?

[Neon_Chaos]

Neon, so what is Racer's angle here? His lie buys him one day at most and ensures a trade-off with a Hero, not an Olympian?

If he was looking to bluff, wouldn't he want to try and take out an Olympian?

True. Which is what strikes me odd about both these reveals. They're fighting over an unimportant role.

Of course, if ae was bluffing, wouldn't he have revealed himself to be one of the big two, to force a showdown, and weed out one of the Titans' necessary kills.

[DaddyTorgo]

Racer's role sounds very detailed as well.

As far as AE's role...I think it seems there have been a lot of roles that are...monster-related considering the # of monsters in the game.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting point Neon...interesting point

[DaddyTorgo]

I think I need to get a coffee Neon...but you have me seriously thinking with that last point I have to say

[Neon_Chaos]

I feel quite certain that we're going to find out a lot with this vote.

[hoopsguy]

Neon, I agree that revealing as one of the big two was a better play for a fake. But then why did Racer choose to contest Odysseus instead of bluffing at one of those other roles?

I think it cuts both ways in terms of a fake reveal - the choice is interesting. I'm guessing Ardent took a shot at the role he thought was least likely to be in the game. There were already two heroes exposed, and Perseus seemed more likely on account of you being stoned by the Medusa.

[hoopsguy]

Perseus seemed more likely to be in play than Odyssesus, that is ...

[Telle]

I think it cuts both ways in terms of a fake reveal - the choice is interesting. I'm guessing Ardent took a shot at the role he thought was least likely to be in the game. There were already two heroes exposed, and Perseus seemed more likely on account of you being stoned by the Medusa.

This is what I'm thinking. If there's only two titans left, as Hoops suggested earlier, then I'd think they'd rather try and hide with a fake reveal than force a showdown with the remaining two of the Big Three. Looks like ardent was just rather unlucky with his who he chose to reveal as.

[Neon_Chaos]

Neon, I agree that revealing as one of the big two was a better play for a fake. But then why did Racer choose to contest Odysseus instead of bluffing at one of those other roles?

I think it cuts both ways in terms of a fake reveal - the choice is interesting. I'm guessing Ardent took a shot at the role he thought was least likely to be in the game. There were already two heroes exposed, and Perseus seemed more likely on account of you being stoned by the Medusa.

True.

I guess we'll have to see why.

[Telle]

And now that RendeR's headed off to bed I'm going to switch to my laptop and get comfy on the couch. But I want to get my vote in now, just in case.

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM
VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

[Neon_Chaos]

This is what I'm thinking. If there's only two titans left, as Hoops suggested earlier, then I'd think they'd rather try and hide with a fake reveal than force a showdown with the remaining two of the Big Three. Looks like ardent was just rather unlucky with his who he chose to reveal as.

I'm thinking 3 left, actually.

[Neon_Chaos]

I like how hoops is prodding, but not necessarily pushing his argument to not lynch Racer, when this vote is basically a win-win situation either way.

[hoopsguy]

Neon, I don't know what the right call is here. I laid out my case on why I suspected Ardent more than Racer and Chief back before Ardent had any votes, back before he revealed. I put the first vote on him.

I'm not sure what you are looking for me in terms of taking a stance here. But I'm beginning to think that you may be either a cultist or a "cunning Titan" based on your continued infatuation with me since Day 1. That, however, is a battle for another day.

[Neon_Chaos]

Neon, I don't know what the right call is here. I laid out my case on why I suspected Ardent more than Racer and Chief back before Ardent had any votes, back before he revealed. I put the first vote on him.

I'm not sure what you are looking for me in terms of taking a stance here. But I'm beginning to think that you may be either a cultist or a "cunning Titan" based on your continued infatuation with me since Day 1. That, however, is a battle for another day.

How about we put that to the test tomorrow, then? Granted you and I survive tonight?

[Racer]

Okay, I'm going off this list. Someone said St. Cronin has now been vouched for. Chief Rum hasn't been around, right? In my opinion, he's played this game similar to the only other game I've played. He hasn't posted quite as much in my opinion, but again I'm pretty sure I read that he wouldn't be around much today. His analysis seems way to valuable for us to get rid of right now. That leaves me with Hoopsguy, PurdueBrad, and AE. I'm a bit more suspicious of PurdueBrad and AE then Hoopsguy at the moment. I'm going to reread stuff before making my decision, but for now I'll got to take off for a bit. I think everyone else should also look at them before deciding whether or not to keep their votes on me. I'm a good guy and have a power that can be useful to the Olympians.

Because I doubt ae would have been able to think up as complex rules that he claims he has for them not to be true.

And that the convenience of Racer's reveal, the pure and utter coincidence that ae could have picked the very role that Racer had... it's very highly improbable.

I'm almost sure Racer is lying, and lying really well.

I went running after making that post. I didn't see AE's post until after I had gotten back.

[Neon_Chaos]

I went running after making that post. I didn't see AE's post until after I had gotten back.

I understand that you might have been AFK, Racer. As it is, we're going to find out which one of you and ae is lying by the end of the day.

[hoopsguy]

How about we put that to the test tomorrow, then? Granted you and I survive tonight?

And just how would you propose we "put that to the test tomorrow?"

I'm fairly confident that you, the cleared person, will survive the night. I'm less confident about my own state.

Again, there is a 1-1 trade in the works right now at a point in the game where it makes sense for us to take it. A cultist is not a priority compared to a Titan. A cunning Titan, if cleared by the seer, will most likely stick around for awhile. Maybe I'm looking for monsters under the bed, but I haven't understood your play all game long.

[Raiders Army]

VOTE RACER

Just got home from work and scanned this page.

[DaddyTorgo]

RA...the choice is down to Racer vs. Ardent

anyone have a vote-count? we want to make sure that we are in control of the lynch as much as possible, whichever way we have to go

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #1543:

Racer - Lathum (1355), AC (1378), Neon, (1380), Purdue (1392), Raiders (1543)

Ardent - Hoops (1427), Racer (1499), DT (1507), Anxiety (1511), Cronin (1511), Telle (1535)

Hoops - Ardent (1443)

Not voted - Chief

Ardent has indicated he will be using a max (4) vote.
People who are limited with their vote today: PB, Hoops, DT

[Chief Rum]

Need to get a vote out there for now, since we saw what happened yesterday.

Nothing's changed from this vote:

Vote Chief Rum

Why? I understand I am not vouched for, but I feel I have been pretty helpful this game.

hoops made the best point yet. The Titans made the deadline come up when I was one of the two primaries on the chopping block. Why would they do that if I was one of them?

[DaddyTorgo]

this vote is going to be very telling

[Neon_Chaos]

Chief, your vote.

[Neon_Chaos]

this vote is going to be very telling

Not as much as I had expected earlier. With the votes obviously scattered, it's basically a 50/50.

Of course, I'm pulling for ae to be good and Racer to be bad so I don't look like an ass. :)

[hoopsguy]

Agree with Neon that I would like to be backing the right (Trojan) horse.

But if we have a one-one here, and the loss is a Hero instead of Olympian, I think this is a definite win for the team. Worst case is that we trade a hero for a monster, as far as I can tell.

[Neon_Chaos]

Agree with Neon that I would like to be backing the right (Trojan) horse.

But if we have a one-one here, and the loss is a Hero instead of Olympian, I think this is a definite win for the team. Worst case is that we trade a hero for a monster, as far as I can tell.

Agreed. It's a scenario I mentioned earlier as well.

[DaddyTorgo]

actually I think having the votes scattered tells us a lot more than having a runaway

[hoopsguy]

The scattered votes give the Titans a chance to control the outcome, particularly if there are three of them left. As far as I can tell, they only need one person for the night kill.

I would still prefer that we have a majority on one candidate, but it doesn't look like that is meant to be.

[hoopsguy]

Assuming everyone is casting one vote, with the exception of Ardent, the score right now (pending Chief vote, no switches, standard voting metrics, etc. as of Post #1553):

Ardent: 6
Racer: 5
Hoops: 4

So it really is a three horse race, unfortunately for me.

[DaddyTorgo]

if we could get some racer-voters onto ardent that'd be great

neon - you indicated you would go with the majority
purdue?

[hoopsguy]

Chief, is there a reason you are dragging this out?

[DaddyTorgo]

everyone's gone cept neon+purdue+hoops+me

neon+purdue - switch to ardent?

[DaddyTorgo]

and now chief is back to snipe someone

purdue+neon switch now plz

[Neon_Chaos]

I gave my word earlier. For the sake of a unified vote. Just to avoid the titans from controlling...

Unvote Racer
Vote ardent enthusiast

[Chief Rum]

Cuz I'm catching up. i just raced through the last two pages. What do you want from me? I logged on at 6:30 (my time) with four pages to read that turned into six in that time.

My gut says AE is lying.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

[Neon_Chaos]

I still think Racer is our bad guy.

[DaddyTorgo]

maybe so neon, but we have to avoid the titans controlling...we can worry about evening the score later if need be

[DaddyTorgo]

DEADLINE

[hoopsguy]

Chief, I was asking because I was going to flip my vote if needed to remove potential for being sniped. I'm feeling a little vulnerable with just one vote point on the table today compared to most of the other assembled deities (and others).

[Telle]

Cuz I'm catching up. i just raced through the last two pages. What do you want from me? I logged on at 6:30 (my time) with four pages to read that turned into six in that time.

My gut says AE is lying.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Heh.. now you know how I felt the first two nights :)

[Neon_Chaos]

I guess we'll have to wait a while.

[hoopsguy]

No Lathum, so hope he made good use of his ability.

Purdue, can we expect to see you be a little more active if you are around for Day 5? I'm thinking we are getting to the point where cards go on the table if they have not already. Mine included.

[Chief Rum]

Chief, I was asking because I was going to flip my vote if needed to remove potential for being sniped. I'm feeling a little vulnerable with just one vote point on the table today compared to most of the other assembled deities (and others).

Fair enough. I just wanted everyone to know (via my response to you, as it turned out) that I wasn't trying to drag it out, but was trying to make a reasoned and informed decision. Sorry if it put any pressure on you guys.

[PurdueBrad]

Olympians, I didn't catch the pleas to move and (obviously) didn't. I still think that Racer isn't a bad vote but we'll see.

[hoopsguy]

Due to the early deadline last night, tonight's deadline will be 10:40PM EST.

[DaddyTorgo]

it's okay chiefy

[hoopsguy]

Final vote for Day 4:

Racer - Lathum (1355), AC (1378), Purdue (1392), Raiders (1543)

Ardent - Hoops (1427), Racer (1499), DT (1507), Anxiety (1511), Cronin (1511), Telle (1535), Neon (1559), Chief (1560)

Hoops - Ardent (1443)

Ardent has indicated he will be using a max (4) vote.
People who are limited with their vote today: PB, Hoops, DT

[hoopsguy]

Chief, if you are going to be around for awhile I would be interested in getting your take on the last couple of days.

[Raiders Army]

Okay, back from eating. Reading through what I missed.

[Chief Rum]

Chief, if you are going to be around for awhile I would be interested in getting your take on the last couple of days.

And I will be glad to give that to you. I am debating whether I should reveal something about my role that could prove of value to the village, but I think it would put a target on me unless I completely reveal (which I am against doing for the reasons stated about the Titans looking for Poseidon and Hades). If I completely reveal, my value will also be much less. But if I only partially reveal, I risk the Titans killing me before I get it all out. So I am debating what to do.

Unfortunately, I am on a pay computer on my way to do some errands, and won't be home until after that and some dinner. Probably later than most of you will be on.

This is all assuming I am still alive. If I am dead, it doesn't much matter. But I doubt the Titans would focus on me to this point.

But, yes, if there's something specific you want me to elaborate on, I will when I return. And if you want to weigh on the possibility of my reveal, yiou can do so, too, and I will take that into some consideration.

I will say this. If my information AND gut is correct, we got a Titan tonight in AE.

[hoopsguy]

Raiders, did you have a new name to add to our trust list today? Would love to hear it now in the event that you get a late night visitor ...

[DaddyTorgo]

chief...i'll likely be around much later

[hoopsguy]

I will say this. If my information AND gut is correct, we got a Titan tonight in AE.

If we got a Titan tonight, I'm extremely interested in what kind of information you had to help your gut. I also think we would be moving into end-game time where the reveal is probably pro-Olympian. Still interested in the info if AE is the wrong call to understand why it would have steered you in one direction, but the reveal is probably more risky in that scenario.

[Poli]

Are you kidding? I knew this crap would happen.

[PurdueBrad]

I will wait to reveal but I will say this, my cards have been on the table since day one. If we got a titan, I'm playing close to the vest. If not, I'll reveal to help narrow things down.

[Poli]

It always sucks to see your name in bold. :(

[Raiders Army]

Raiders, did you have a new name to add to our trust list today? Would love to hear it now in the event that you get a late night visitor ...

No I do not. I would've put it out there if I did...but I think the Titans or Monsters would be foolish to come after me.

[DaddyTorgo]

worse case scenario = you take one for the team ardent

it's part of the game. Happens to everyone.

[Raiders Army]

Huh. Doesn't seem like I missed too much. I see it came down to a Racer/Ardent fight at the end. As you all summarized, either way it's good for us.

[Alan T]

I have this as the final vote. Someone please correct me if I am wrong while I work on the rest of the night results:

Racer - Lathum (1355), AC (1378), Purdue (1392), Raiders Army (1543)
Ardent - Hoops (1427), Racer (1498), DaddyTorgo (1507), Anxiety (1510), St.Cronin (1511), Telle (1535), Neon Chaos (1559), Chief RUm (1560)
Hoops - Ardent (1443)

[Poli]

Just call it, Alan. I'm fried Odysseus.

[hoopsguy]

Alan, that matches my vote listing.

[Raiders Army]

Interesting that the final vote has my CoT voting for Ardent. They're still in my CoT though.

[Poli]

Unfortunate is right, Alan.

[Raiders Army]

Interesting. I must've lived through the night.

[Abe Sargent]

I got my pm, but I'm waiting for AlanT before talking about it.

[hoopsguy]

Ditto.

[Alan T]

This day focuses alot of discussion around the previous day's early sunset. Many of you are deliberate enough to get your discussions started earlier in the day to not be caught off guard again! The topic of who could be behind the sunset and if it was malicious or not is passed around as well.. Finally those topics come to a halt when suddenly two men, Racer and Ardent Enthusiast both claim to be the King of Ithica!

The rest of you sit around and look from one to the other, trying to discern whom might be telling the truth. Finally the majority back Racer and prepare to see the truth behind Ardent's story.

With the sun setting, Uranus once again appears, ready to decide who was right once and for all. He looks at Ardent's direction and lets out a stiffled laugh,"You a King? I think not! Come lets be rid of you!" Ardent does not appear to be willing to go without a fight. He slams down a mighty hand on the table, breaking it clean in two. Its amazing that no one had noticed before how incredibly strong he is.. Uranus appears to have had enough of his display however and grabs Ardent by his shoulders, and drags him out to the heavens... Something about having a job for him to do holding a planet up for a while. Ardent Enthusiast has been lynched. Ardent was Atlas, a Titan!

Ardent seemed to have created enough of a diversion however to take everyone's attention away from something else happening.. Once he is gone, you all look around and notice Hoopsguy is no longer with you... Did he disappear suddenly again like before?? "Here, whats this??", one of you cry.. Where Hoopsguy used to sit now is a large pile of stone pieces of his remains.. If you had some spare time, you could probably put all of the stone pieces back together to realize that Hoopsguy was petrified and then killed! Hoopsguy was killed, he was Hades an Olympian!

Day 5 has now started, deadline for Day 5 is 9:00pm EST Sunday night (take note of the time and date, it is 1 hour earlier than normal on Sunday night)

I will be away alot of tommorrow moving. I will make time to answer PMs some point in the afternoon if needed

[DaddyTorgo]

YES!!!

WE GOT ATLAS!!!!

I was right about my reading of AE's little comment!

[Poli]

It was fun for the most part. Thanks for the fun.

[Poli]

YES!!!

WE GOT ATLAS!!!!

I was right about my reading of AE's little comment!
No, you jerk. You was not. If anyone else says it, I say the same thing, regardless of role.

[DaddyTorgo]

dammit. We lost another of the big 3 though.

Bye hoops

[Raiders Army]

Good call Titans on getting hoops. Anxiety, I'm curious as to what your PM is.

[Telle]

YES!!!

WE GOT ATLAS!!!!

I was right about my reading of AE's little comment!

Yeah but we lost Hades.

[Raiders Army]

dammit. We lost another of the big 3 though.

Bye hoops

No problem. I think I'm figuring this junk out.

[hoopsguy]

Petrified = insult
Killed = injury

Good luck finishing off the Titans!

[DaddyTorgo]

Well it made me take a closer look at you, so in that sense.

I am sorry about the RL-issues though.

[Raiders Army]

So what's up Anxiety?

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I need to talk to CR in the thread about my pm last night, because someone happened with my ability that I don;t get.

[Raiders Army]

Petrified = insult
Killed = injury

Good luck finishing off the Titans!

Oh, we'll finish them off.

[Poli]

:rolleyes:

[Abe Sargent]

In case I'm not here when CR comes back, because of his schedule, here's waht i want.

CR - something happened to me last night when trying to use my ability on you. I'll give you a chance to suggest what you think it was before I tell everybody. That way I can confirm if you are right.

If I tell first, then you can come up with some bs claim if youa r a titan.

So I';d like to hear thougths from you firdt.

[Abe Sargent]

BTW - THis is proof that the generally accepted theory (which I challenged) that titans knew what roles were int eh game and could false reveal easily is not true.

We need to evaluate all of our views of the uncontroverted revelations.

[Racer]

Like others have said I just want to say that it sucks we lost another one of the big three. I'm happy that we got a Titan today though.

[Raiders Army]

I'm most interested in this trifecta. Check out these conversations:

No I cannot confirm that they are a good guy. They get the nightly message of success, not me.

Last night, I had an interaction with st. cronin due to my ability, and the pm description of st cronin led me to beleive that I know his role, and if correct, he would not be a titan. My knowlegde of Greek mythology is decent, but not amazing, so its possible I could be wrong, but I'm confident enough in my beleif that I mention it here.

alive.

and if they want to come forward and have me vouch for them now is the time since I will be spotty for the weekend.

Good point. I'll come forward now.

So Anxiety, wanna explain?

I thought that my action created your message, and in fact, I thought you even dropped me a hint in a post yesterday that you wanted me to do it again when you told me you guarded me, and you dropped a further hint that you knew it was me when you said that you would believe me.

I guess now I have to fully reveal my role, and you can at least verify that much.

I have the ability to make someone use their power, at whatever level of strength I have. On Day One, I used this power on Lathum to target Barkeep. I do not learn what Lathum can do, and if he ha several powers, he can chose which. At the time, I didn;t trust Barkeep much, so i was hoping I coul dget hims scanned or soothsayinged. I aslo was under the mistake impression that this would be in addition to that person;s nomral role.

This power was described to me as part of me being the God of Bloodlust.

I later had it clarified that it is not in addition to their normal power, it just redirects their power. Thus, if I force LAthum to guard hoopsguy, for example, it would override his normal action, not give him two. THis makes my power much less interesting, and I found this out last night when I asked several clarifying questions.

I've never seen a role before that allows you to trigger a person's power, so I think its neat, but without the ability to double up, it's usefulness seems much less impressive. I could try to get a titan to kil a titan, but without knowing who they are, I'm just as likely to hit one of the big three I suspect.

Anyway, that's my ability and role. I would prefer not to divulge what happened last night, that would give too much away regarding other gods.

It was Cronin who visited me last night

I mean night 1

I just want to clarify that I don't FULLY trust either Lathum or Anxiety... I can't actually clear anybody.

On night 1 I actually prevented Lathum's vote from counting. This is why I was so skeptical of all the vote analysis that followed. That was a one-time ability.

I won't say my other abilities are, other than that they are relatively minor in their effects, and what I tried to do to Anxiety last night actually failed.

[Neon_Chaos]

RA, has our CoT expanded?

[Raiders Army]

No. In fact, I think it may be endgame.

[DaddyTorgo]

No. In fact, I think it may be endgame.

??

[Telle]

No. In fact, I think it may be endgame.

?????

[Abe Sargent]

How so?

[Neon_Chaos]

No. In fact, I think it may be endgame.

I go where you go. Name the bastards.

[DaddyTorgo]

any thoughts on who the last titan is?

[DaddyTorgo]

so we think we have 1 titan left?

[Neon_Chaos]

I was hoping the wolves would keep hoops alive tonight. I had a feeling he was Hades... and needed a reason to keep the Wolves from killing him, thereby my constant pushing of his buttons.

He probably had the Helm of Invisibility, giving him the power to turn invisible on Day 1, and take a view of someone's role... the Minotaur, who hoops hinted to be good.

The noose tightens. The Olympians far outnumber the Titans by a big margin (assuming there are 3 starting, only 1 left, and assuming 4 starting, 2 left)

They have to get a 1-1 ratio with olympians AND kill Poseidon. A difficult taks for the Titans, indeed.

[Raiders Army]

Here is what I know:

Lathum is a Titan. He is not the bodyguard. From the Titan roles left:
Coeus - Titan of Intelligence
Crius - the "Ram"
Hyperion - God of observation
Campe - She-dragon with a woman's head and torso with a scorpion like tail.
I would guess that he is either Crius or Campe based upon what I suspect cronin and Anxiety's roles are. Furthermore, Anxiety's power is not what he says it is. If Anxiety could force an act, then at worst case scenario, he would've forced Lathum to observe or communicate with Barkeep. I don't believe this to be the case. I think that cronin's role is most likely Hyperion.

Those are the three I believe are Titans. I think that's all of them.

What I propose is to lynch Lathum and let me scan Anxiety. I am less sure about cronin, so let me get Anxiety next cycle. After Anxiety, cronin.

Oh, and if you didn't get it, I'm Apollo. I scanned Barkeep the first cycle, Telle the second (which was a weird message...she got me sick when I scanned her), and no one the third cycle (didn't get my PM in). I scanned Lathum and he came back a Titan.

VOTE LATHUM

[Raiders Army]

ta da

[Raiders Army]

Also, it was a weird thing voting for Telle when she came back an Olympian. The message I got was that I wasn't 100% sure, and she got me sick. That's why I voted for her. The message I just received left no ambiguity.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting RA! very interesting!

[Abe Sargent]

Okay then, who is the bg smart guy

[Raiders Army]

Okay then, who is the bg smart guy

I don't know obviously. I told you who I scanned. I do not get the Olympian roles.

[Abe Sargent]

So why think that someone who rr as the bg days ago without a whiff of someone controverted that is now a wolf? Until someone puts that out there, you got nothing.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting that that's your response Anxiety.

RA...if you had more AP's could you scan more people? AC has that weapon right?

[Telle]

Also, it was a weird thing voting for Telle when she came back an Olympian. The message I got was that I wasn't 100% sure, and she got me sick. That's why I voted for her. The message I just received left no ambiguity.

Heh.. guess you couldn't handle the drugs I was on at the time :)

[Abe Sargent]

We NEED CR here, I beleive you'll find his information very illuminating.

[Raiders Army]

So why think that someone who rr as the bg days ago without a whiff of someone controverted that is now a wolf? Until someone puts that out there, you got nothing.

I don't understand what you're saying. If you're asking why I scanned Lathum, it was to clear him and possibly you and cronin since all of your stories are intertwined. Unfortunately for him, he's a dead Titan now.

[DaddyTorgo]

very interested to hear what CR has to say.

I can see this breaking one of two ways

i'd also like to hear from lathum...bit curious that he would have failed to guard hoopsguy last night...that would make two "questionable guarding" decisions by him in this game...

[Raiders Army]

interesting that that's your response Anxiety.

RA...if you had more AP's could you scan more people? AC has that weapon right?

Unfortunately no. I asked Alan if I could scan more than one person and I can't, so I just go with 1 AP for a vote and 4 for scanning. The more APs I use the better the read I get. That's why Barkeep and Telle came up with "most likely" instead of they definitely are.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm simply stating that we have someone who rr early that he was the bg, and no one else has claimed that role. Do you think there isn;t a bg at all, or that the person hasn;t come forward?

[Raiders Army]

I see this breaking one way: Vote Lathum. If you don't believe me, vote me.

[Raiders Army]

I'm simply stating that we have someone who rr early that he was the bg, and no one else has claimed that role. Do you think there isn;t a bg at all, or that the person hasn;t come forward?

I don't know. I've said everything that I know and suspect.

[DaddyTorgo]

so either we follow RA's list or we get some blockbuster info from CR that makes us distrust RA??

hmmmm

[Neon_Chaos]

Anxiety, what was the power of your role again?

[Abe Sargent]

That's a pretty big hole in your theory. But don;t worry, if I'm right, CR may provide some info about someone else to vote for.

I won;t be drawn into a villager vs villager slap fight between you and Lathum.

[DaddyTorgo]

well this should make for an interesting saturday

[Abe Sargent]

Anxiety, what was the power of your role again?

Trying to catch me in a lie, eh?

I can trigger a person's ability, choosing a new target. If they have several, they can choose which one, and I don;t know what their ability is. It's kinda blind.

[Raiders Army]

so either we follow RA's list or we get some blockbuster info from CR that makes us distrust RA??

hmmmm

If there is info from CR that does "discredit" me, he's part of them.

[Neon_Chaos]

Other than forcing someone to use their power on someone else, would you know their allegiance?

[Abe Sargent]

so we think we have 1 titan left?

I suspect we have two left.

19 people is an awful lot for just three evil titans. I'd go with four.

[Neon_Chaos]

Trying to catch me in a lie, eh?

I can trigger a person's ability, choosing a new target. If they have several, they can choose which one, and I don;t know what their ability is. It's kinda blind.

Actually, no. I'm trying to see if you can detect the allegiance of someone. And yes, you should stay away from the RA/Lathum showdown that is going to happen.

[Abe Sargent]

Other than forcing someone to use their power on someone else, would you know their allegiance?

No.

[Raiders Army]

That's a pretty big hole in your theory. But don;t worry, if I'm right, CR may provide some info about someone else to vote for.

I won;t be drawn into a villager vs villager slap fight between you and Lathum.

LOL. This is no villager vs villager slap fight. This is a villager (moi) vs wolf (Lathum) fisticuff. I do feel bad since real life is taking precedence for him right now preparing for his wedding, but on the flip side at least he knows he doesn't have to worry about the game any more. :)

I find it curious that you believe we're both villagers. Either I'm lying or he's a wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

If there is info from CR that does "discredit" me, he's part of them.

obviously you are comfortable with Lathum...how comfortable are you saying that say...Anxiety is a bad-guy? what would you say your certainty-level is?

[Abe Sargent]

I have a strong suspicion about cronin, and he ain;t a titan. If he vouches for an uncontroverted rr and bg early inteh game, I'm not going against that.

Points for Lauthum being exatly who he is:

1). As we just learned, the Titans don;lt know whgat roles are in teh game and can;t just randomly rr. That makes Lathum;s early rr even more ironclad

2). BG rr early revealed, unconmtroverted as well. Another point in his favor.

3). I trust cronin because he is almost assuredly a good guy, he sayys Lathum is fine. I gotta go with that.


That's a strong person to go after just because you have a hunch. LEt's wait until we hear from CR before barking up that tree.

[Neon_Chaos]

Pink - No Character reveal
Green - W/ Character reveal

Update on things that have happened:

1) Render - Killed Day 3 Hermes / Olympian
2) Barkeep - Killed Day 2 Zeus / Olympian
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad
5) St.Cronin - (No claimed Role) (Claims to have the ability to visit someone; visited Lathum/Anxiety)
6) Neon_Chaos - (No claimed Role) (Claims to be able to vouch for Telle, vouched for by Raiders Army)
7) Lathum - (Claims to be Heracles) (Confirms he was visited by st.cronin, says he is the bodyguard)
8) ntndeacon - Lynched Day 2 Dionysus / Olympian
9) ArlingtonColt - (Claims to be Hephaestus)
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle - (Claims to be Ascelipus) (Claims that Apollo scanned her, and she knows Achilles is a role in the game, she also knows of a role not in this game, vouched for by Raiders Army)
12) Hoopsguy - Killed Day 4 Hades/Olympian
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety - (Claims to be Ares) (Claims to have been able to force someone to use their action against their will. Says that Chief Rum will be able to explain further.)
15) Ardent_Enthusiast - Lynched Day 4 Atlas/Titan
16) Racer - (Claims to be Odysseus) (Ardent said he was Odysseus, but was proven wrong.)
17) DaddyTorgo - (No Claimed Role) (Vouched for by Raiders Army)
18) Raiders Army - (Claims to be Apollo) (Has come out to say that Neon Chaos, Telle, and DaddyTorgo are good. Says that Lathum is a Titan.)
19) Schmidty - Lynched Day 3 Minotaur / Monster


Had it not been for RA's reveal, I would have pushed for another showdown... Chief Rum vs. PurdueBrad. Of course, Chief put in one of the nails on ardent's coffin.

As it is, Anxiety says that Chief will be able to provide additional information.

Anxiety, I think that RA has no other reason to lie, if he is caught in the lie, he's dead. We now have a showdown between RA and Lathum.

[Abe Sargent]

I;m just saying that I find it conveinant that Apollo would suddenly rr when several people are missing and point teh finger at someone with a valuable role who isnt here tio defend himself most of the weekend.

[Neon_Chaos]

3). I trust cronin because he is almost assuredly a good guy, he sayys Lathum is fine. I gotta go with that.


I believe cronin said that he wasn't able to know if a person he visits is good or bad.

[Raiders Army]

No I cannot confirm that they are a good guy. They get the nightly message of success, not me.

Last night, I had an interaction with st. cronin due to my ability, and the pm description of st cronin led me to beleive that I know his role, and if correct, he would not be a titan. My knowlegde of Greek mythology is decent, but not amazing, so its possible I could be wrong, but I'm confident enough in my beleif that I mention it here.

Trying to catch me in a lie, eh?

I can trigger a person's ability, choosing a new target. If they have several, they can choose which one, and I don;t know what their ability is. It's kinda blind.

For real, your first quote was further up the page. Can you explain that if you don't know what their ability is, then why would the PM description of cronin lead you to believe you would know what his role is?

[Abe Sargent]

Of course, if Lathum is a bad guy, I think CR might be able to tell us who teh fourth is, so there is that.

[Abe Sargent]

For real, your first quote was further up the page. Can you explain that if you don't know what their ability is, then why would the PM description of cronin lead you to believe you would know what his role is?

Because it was cronin triggering his ability on me, not vice versa. he indicates that in an earlier pm and said his attempt faiuled.

[Neon_Chaos]

I;m just saying that I find it conveinant that Apollo would suddenly rr when several people are missing and point teh finger at someone with a valuable role who isnt here tio defend himself most of the weekend.

Ok then. Let the real Apollo show up and claim.

[Raiders Army]

obviously you are comfortable with Lathum...how comfortable are you saying that say...Anxiety is a bad-guy? what would you say your certainty-level is?

I'm 100% on Lathum. Anxiety I'm about 95% at this point. He's contradicting himself all over the pages.

[Raiders Army]

Because it was cronin triggering his ability on me, not vice versa. he indicates that in an earlier pm and said his attempt faiuled.

Okay. I could believe that.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm 100% on Lathum. Anxiety I'm about 95% at this point. He's contradicting himself all over the pages.

How am I doing that? Show me, and I'll answer anything you desire

[Neon_Chaos]

For real, your first quote was further up the page. Can you explain that if you don't know what their ability is, then why would the PM description of cronin lead you to believe you would know what his role is?

RA, let's not overthink and overaccuse.

Lathum is apparently the only Titan you are sure about.

Anxiety and st.cronin are linked not by definite vouchers, but by coincidental ones due to their roles.

[Raiders Army]

I have a strong suspicion about cronin, and he ain;t a titan. If he vouches for an uncontroverted rr and bg early inteh game, I'm not going against that.

Points for Lauthum being exatly who he is:

1). As we just learned, the Titans don;lt know whgat roles are in teh game and can;t just randomly rr. That makes Lathum;s early rr even more ironclad

2). BG rr early revealed, unconmtroverted as well. Another point in his favor.

3). I trust cronin because he is almost assuredly a good guy, he sayys Lathum is fine. I gotta go with that.


That's a strong person to go after just because you have a hunch. LEt's wait until we hear from CR before barking up that tree.

Yeah, I voted for Lathum on a hunch. Keep calling it that.

[Abe Sargent]

I hope CR shows up soon.

[Neon_Chaos]

RA, Anxiety, let's not shoot each other here.

It's an RA/Lathum vote for the weekend, most likely, and let's keep it that way. We don't need a scare like what happened today with ae's votes on hoops.

[Abe Sargent]

Hold on, CR's here

[Raiders Army]

RA, let's not overthink and overaccuse.

Lathum is apparently the only Titan you are sure about.

Anxiety and st.cronin are linked not by definite vouchers, but by coincidental ones due to their roles.

Very true, which is why I go with voting for Lathum and letting me scan Anxiety.

Also, FYI, this is how my CoT began: I was contacted by Hermes, who I had to figure out was RendeR by looking for the poster who said Pain Heals. That sucked because I had to do a Control-F to find the quote. It's in his signature! LOL. Anyhow, he said I could trust DaddyTorgo. When you (Neon) vouched for Telle, I knew she was good. I automatically put you in my CoT because of that since a Titan wouldn't vouch for her (she was on the chopping block at the time).

[Raiders Army]

Actually the CoT began with Barkeep whom I scanned in the first cycle.

[Neon_Chaos]

CR, you are up. If can so kindly shed some light?

[Abe Sargent]

to be fair, there is a lot of catch up on

[Raiders Army]

I;m just saying that I find it conveinant that Apollo would suddenly rr when several people are missing and point teh finger at someone with a valuable role who isnt here tio defend himself most of the weekend.

No offense, but you must've missed hoops' posts pretty much calling me out as Apollo.

[Abe Sargent]

I didn;t get it. But I'm obtuse with my siugnals and seeing signals. hoops thought I was the opposite of what I was signaling earlier int eh game. I don;t get hints.

[Raiders Army]

Raiders, did you have a new name to add to our trust list today? Would love to hear it now in the event that you get a late night visitor ...

Right here. Unfortunately, he was the one to receive a visitor.

[Chief Rum]

CR, you are up. If can so kindly shed some light?

Am I to guess, Anxiety, that you believe I now know the identity of Medusa?

[Chief Rum]

Maybe I should have quoted Anxiety.

[Abe Sargent]

I would never read that as "Since you are Apollo" because if hoops really thought e was appolo, then why bring attention to it at all?

This must be why I dont get signals, they make no sense.

[Abe Sargent]

CR, let's see what ya got from last night. What happened, from your perspective.

[Raiders Army]

LOL. This is no villager vs villager slap fight. This is a villager (moi) vs wolf (Lathum) fisticuff. I do feel bad since real life is taking precedence for him right now preparing for his wedding, but on the flip side at least he knows he doesn't have to worry about the game any more. :)

I find it curious that you believe we're both villagers. Either I'm lying or he's a wolf.

I;m just saying that I find it conveinant that Apollo would suddenly rr when several people are missing and point teh finger at someone with a valuable role who isnt here tio defend himself most of the weekend.

Also, trying not to pick here, but you don't mention the fact that Lathum isn't able to defend himself until I state it earlier.

[Chief Rum]

I did have a curious thing happen to me last night, and it is clear Anxiety did indeed use his power on me. Anxiety, can you not only trigger my power but pick my target as well?

[Neon_Chaos]

Um... wasn't it common knowledge since the start of day 4 that Raiders was Apollo? He did everything but reveal his role.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, I mentioned it after you reminded me. No hiding that from me.

[Abe Sargent]

I did have a curious thing happen to me last night, and it is clear Anxiety did indeed use his power on me. Anxiety, can you not only trigger my power but pick my target as well?

Correct, I can pick a target, however, you choose which power to use if you have multiple. So again, what happened?

[Raiders Army]

I would never read that as "Since you are Apollo" because if hoops really thought e was appolo, then why bring attention to it at all?

This must be why I dont get signals, they make no sense.

Honestly, I thought it was pretty apparent when I switched my vote off Telle when Neon vouched for her. I thought everyone would see that when Neon didn't claim to be Apollo and Telle said she was visited by Apollo that they would assume that I was he.

[Chief Rum]

CR, let's see what ya got from last night. What happened, from your perspective.

Well, I won't come straight out yet, because I am still determining the value of role revealing.

But I was directed to use my power on hoopsguy last night, or to be exact, I would guess, hoopsguy's role of Hades. Which actually was a waste, unfortunately, and not just because hoops is now dead.

[Abe Sargent]

hoops must be laughing as he reads this... ;)

[Abe Sargent]

Well, I won't come straight out yet, because I am still determining the value of role revealing.

But I was directed to use my power on hoopsguy last night, or to be exact, I would guess, hoopsguy's role of Hades. Which actually was a waste, unfortunately, and not just because hoops is now dead.

Yes you were, so let me tell everyone for teh record:

Last night, I ordered CR to use his power on hoops.

Hoops was stoned and killed.

What does make you, CR?

[Abe Sargent]

the stoner or the killer?

[Chief Rum]

Correct, I can pick a target, however, you choose which power to use if you have multiple. So again, what happened?

It was revealed to me that the role of Hades is in the game, which was not a role I queried with my ability last night.

I put two and two together based on results that you directed me to use my power on hoops, and figured I was witness to his petrification and killing. My power is to reveal what roles are in the game. I can use an AP per role.

But I don't learn identities or witness events. It's a power unique to the type of Titan I am. I am a Titan on the side of good (only one in the game, so far as I have seen).

[Abe Sargent]

We are all waiting

[Abe Sargent]

Apparently you beat my waiting post ")

[Neon_Chaos]

Well, this changes nothing.

I'm backing Raiders Army on this.

Vote Lathum

[Abe Sargent]

Consider this CR:

We've seen the Medusa stone before. No death.

We've seen deaths before =- no stoning

Therefore, it is reasonable to presume that hoops was double targeted, byt both Medusa AND an evil Titan.

Therefore, are you tryint to tell me that you were neither the stoner (Medusa) nor the killer (evil Titan)?

[Raiders Army]

Soooooooo...CR reveals as a "good" Titan? What are your victory conditions?

[Chief Rum]

the stoner or the killer?

Neither unfortunately. I am Briareus the Vigorous, a Hecatonchires, and the only good Titan in the game. My ability is to reveal what roles are actually in the game. I get one role query per AP point.

[Neon_Chaos]

DaddyT, Telle, we need to be united on this.

Telle, what did your role reveal to you tonight?

[Telle]

It was revealed to me that the role of Hades is in the game, which was not a role I queried with my ability last night.

I put two and two together based on results that you directed me to use my power on hoops, and figured I was witness to his petrification and killing. My power is to reveal what roles are in the game. I can use an AP per role.

But I don't learn identities or witness events. It's a power unique to the type of Titan I am. I am a Titan on the side of good (only one in the game, so far as I have seen).

That's the story you're going with??? It was "revealed" to you that the role of Hades is in the game? You mean like when you read post 1 where it states that the Titans must kill Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon?

[Chief Rum]

Consider this CR:

We've seen the Medusa stone before. No death.

We've seen deaths before =- no stoning

Therefore, it is reasonable to presume that hoops was double targeted, byt both Medusa AND an evil Titan.

Therefore, are you tryint to tell me that you were neither the stoner (Medusa) nor the killer (evil Titan)?

That's right. And I can prove it. I had one left over AP after your use of my role, and it came back on Odysseus. Odysseus is not in the game at all. So Racer is a Titan.

[Raiders Army]

Neither unfortunately. I am Briareus the Vigorous, a Hecatonchires, and the only good Titan in the game. My ability is to reveal what roles are actually in the game. I get one role query per AP point.

Titans: You will win the game if you eliminate Zeus, Hades, Poseidon from the game as well as have a 1:1 Titan to Olympian ratio. Note: this does include Titans that are sympathetic to the Olympians cause as a Titan in this ratio.
I could possibly see that you are sympathetic to the Olympians, but your victory condition is the same: eliminate us.

[Abe Sargent]

Apollo, can you identify monster as well with your ability?

[Raiders Army]

CR, your power sucks if that is true. What's the point of using more APs towards your power?

[Neon_Chaos]

That's right. And I can prove it. I had one left over AP after your use of my role, and it came back on Odysseus. Odysseus is not in the game at all. So Racer is a Titan.

Now THIS is news.

[Chief Rum]

That's the story you're going with??? It was "revealed" to you that the role of Hades is in the game? You mean like when you read post 1 where it states that the Titans must kill Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon?

That's why it was a tremendous waste, Telle. My role PM specifically stated that I did not need to query Hades, Poseidon or Zeus, because they were known to be in the game by the rules.

So by focusing me on hoops, Anxiety actually focused me on "Hades" unnecessarily.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, assuming Apollo is right, if the real BG would now reveal that'd be great.

If you protectected the seer last night, don;t worry, I can make you do it again today, so we can get this last crucial scan of Racer

[Chief Rum]

I could possibly see that you are sympathetic to the Olympians, but your victory condition is the same: eliminate us.

No, your victory condition calls for you to kill me, because I count as a Titan. I, however, win with the Olympians.

[Neon_Chaos]

Chief, can you give us a rundown of all the roles revealed to you, then?

[Raiders Army]

Apollo, can you identify monster as well with your ability?

Oh, so now I'm Apollo? :) Guess you'll be voting for Lathum then, right?

Anyhow, yes. I can identify Olympian, Titan, Monster, or Human.

Also, looking back at Telle's scan results, that night somebody did something to make me sick and it wasn't Telle. Anyone want to take credit for that?

[Abe Sargent]

BTW - I am backing CR 100% on his reveal, and he is now fully trusted. I pushed him just in case, but my pm cam back sayign that it wasn;t sure if it worked or not. NEver gotten that before - it was either a failure apm with hoops when he was missing or nothing, so I assumed it didnt know, but because of the wording I did not want to just jump out.

Therefore I have CR in my absolute CoT right now.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm confused!!

so racer is a titan, chief rum is a good titan...lathum is a titan, anxiety is a titan?

that doesn't all add up

[Neon_Chaos]

Anxiety, are we agreed that we take care of Lathum today, and Racer the next?

[Abe Sargent]

Im not a titan, Im Ares

[Abe Sargent]

Yes, especially if I can get a bg reveal.

[Telle]

DaddyT, Telle, we need to be united on this.

Telle, what did your role reveal to you tonight?

I learned a role that is in the game. I don't want to say it yet so that I can vouch for the person when/if he eventually reveals.

[Raiders Army]

No, your victory condition calls for you to kill me, because I count as a Titan. I, however, win with the Olympians.

Strange that wasn't in the rules. Not debating it, but just strange.

[Abe Sargent]

Although I have my doubts, I only trusted Lathum through someone else, not primarily, and the final piece with CR slid into place, and if right, brings us the final bad guy.

[Chief Rum]

CR, your power sucks if that is true. What's the point of using more APs towards your power?

You don't think catching people in lies about their reveals is a good ability?

I have one other ability, but, I'm not sure why ANxiety thinks I had the choice to use it. It's a one time use, and I wasn't electing to use it tonight. Basically, Anxiety usurped my power tonight and focused it on hoops' role.

[Neon_Chaos]

i'm confused!!

so racer is a titan, chief rum is a good titan...lathum is a titan, anxiety is a titan?

that doesn't all add up

Chief Rum is apparently a good titan, and says that Racer lied.

RA says that Lathum is a titan as well.

Anxiety is not a titan, not by any account I've seen.

I actually envisioned the situation between ar and Racer being both Titans, and were just fucking with us. Come to think of it, it is VERY plausible.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote Lathum

This will be just one AP so I can send a BG to guard Apollo at 4 AP strength.

[Raiders Army]

I'm punching out. Fun night after the lynch. I enjoyed it a lot.

[Neon_Chaos]

I meant ae and racer.

[Abe Sargent]

Busy Friday night. Anybody need anything before I retire?

[Chief Rum]

Strange that wasn't in the rules. Not debating it, but just strange.

Actually, if you look in the Titans section, you will see that the good Titans are on the side of the Olympians. It actually says several, but to my knowledge thus far, I am the only "good" Titan.

I actually assumed the I need to die thing for Olympians because you guys have to kill all Titans, don't you? Don't I count for the Titans in a 1:1? That was the impression I had. But you know your victory conditions better than I.

[Abe Sargent]

CR, as Ares, let me say that I'd want to take out the bad guys first. Then, of the game hasn;t ended, we'll figure it out from there, alright? For now, just stick tight.

[Telle]

Are people seriously buying this story from Chief Rum?? Seems much more plausible to me that he's either Medusa or a Titan as Anxiety first thought, and is now trying to cover his ass.

[Chief Rum]

Are people seriously buying this story from Chief Rum?? Seems much more plausible to me that he's either Medusa or a Titan as Anxiety first thought, and is now trying to cover his ass.

Actually Telle you should listen to me. You're someone I had a lot of questions about yesterday, and I queried your role, and it did come up. So I believe you are who you say you are (since no one has countered your reveal).

[Chief Rum]

I am writing up the roles I have queried and why. I know people will want to know that. Gimme a sec.

[Chief Rum]

Actually Telle you should listen to me. You're someone I had a lot of questions about yesterday, and I queried your role, and it did come up. So I believe you are who you say you are (since no one has countered your reveal).

Actually, I mean two days ago when I say yesterday, Day Three. Technically, I guess "yesterday" is now Day Four.

[Telle]

Actually Telle you should listen to me. You're someone I had a lot of questions about yesterday, and I queried your role, and it did come up. So I believe you are who you say you are (since no one has countered your reveal).

You can butter me up all you want but I'm still not buying it. It's just all too convenient for my taste. And THREE people targeted the same person last night?? And of course by the time you showed up to respond to allegations you already knew that Hoops was Hades because we were told that in the write-up. You're bringing nothing new here.

[Chief Rum]

Chief, can you give us a rundown of all the roles revealed to you, then?

Sorry, missed this. Yes, I can.

On Day One, I decided it was most important to see what Titans were in the game. I actually assumed Cronus was in the game, so I didn't query him. Turned out to be smart because path died that day anyway.

I queried the next four on Alan's list on page one: Coeus, Crius, Hyperion and Atlas. All but Crius came back positive. I only used 1 AP on my vote.

I figured there were four Titans, so seeing path come up Cronus means the three remaining Titans were Coeus, Hyperion and Atlas.

On Day Two, I attempted four queries again, but got nothing back because of King Triton. For some reason, him showing up blew my action points all to hell.

On Day Three, I queried Achilles, Ares, Hephaestus and Asclepius, all some of the reveals that had happened. All came back positive, which means I had new trust in those players claiming those roles, so long as they weren't countered.

On Day Four, tonight, most of my role requests were usurped to query hoops' role. I only had one point left, and Alan used it on the first role I listed: Odysseus.

[Chief Rum]

You can butter me up all you want but I'm still not buying it. It's just all too convenient for my taste. And THREE people targeted the same person last night?? And of course by the time you showed up to respond to allegations you already knew that Hoops was Hades because we were told that in the write-up. You're bringing nothing new here.

I didn't target hoops. I was "forced" to target Hades.

I would guess that Medusa and the remaining Titans did not (and likely still do not) know who each other are and are not in communication, because I don't see why they would both focus on the same target.

[Neon_Chaos]

Just remember, let's not get sidetracked by this discussion.

It's an RA/Lathum vote day.

We will deal with CR when we're done with this.

[Neon_Chaos]

You can butter me up all you want but I'm still not buying it. It's just all too convenient for my taste. And THREE people targeted the same person last night?? And of course by the time you showed up to respond to allegations you already knew that Hoops was Hades because we were told that in the write-up. You're bringing nothing new here.

Telle, out most pressing agenda is RA's reveal that Lathum is a Titan.

Granted, noone has come out as an alternative BG yet.

We need to concentrate on this. Chief Rum's innocence, or lack thereof will be dealt with after we resolve the first.

[Telle]

Telle, out most pressing agenda is RA's reveal that Lathum is a Titan.

Granted, noone has come out as an alternative BG yet.

We need to concentrate on this. Chief Rum's innocence, or lack thereof will be dealt with after we resolve the first.

Yeah yeah.. I know. Just my bullshit meter went off the map when he started in on his story and I was shocked that everyone else seemed to be just nodding along with him.

But back to the matter at hand..
VOTE LATHUM

[Neon_Chaos]

CR, are you willing to participate in the Lathum/RA showdown?

[Chief Rum]

Well, FWIW, given questions about me, my role indicates Achilles--Lathum's claimed role--is in the game, and no one has countered yet. I don't get WW role info, though--so can't confirm if Achilles is the BG.

[Chief Rum]

CR, are you willing to participate in the Lathum/RA showdown?

Yes, but I haven't decided which way to go. As I just posted above, I have received information that Achilles is in the game. I have not queried Apollo, but I believe Raiders Army is Apollo. Start with that fact: Achilles is in the game. Probable fact (assuming RA is on the up and up), Lathum is a Titan. Achilles =! Titan, ergo Lathum cannot be Achilles.

But my information says Achilles is in the game, and Lathum claimed that role days ago. Why hasn't someone come out against him if he isn't Achilles?

So right now, I am actually awfully confused.

[Telle]

Lathum didn't say he was Achilles.. he said he's Heracles.

[Neon_Chaos]

Lathum claimed to be Heracles, CR.

[Chief Rum]

Woah, really? Did I F that up that badly? I thought he said Heracles.

Well, then, Achilles is in the game. Heracles I don't have a clue about. So Lathum could be lying after all, far as I know.

[Chief Rum]

I mean I thought he said Achilles. ARGH! :rolleyes:

Sorry for the confusion. I have had roles coming out of my ears, what with my ability and all of the reveals we have had.

[Chief Rum]

I only read Lathum's reveal once, smack in the middle of trying to catch up earlier this week. Achilles was always more of a natural BG in my mind, I think, and I don't know much about Heracles, so I think my mind made the switch by the time I came back to thinking about what roles to go after.

I tried to find out if Achilles was in the game on Day Two, and when King Triton screwed me over, I tried again on Day Three.

[Neon_Chaos]

Anyway...

Let's not get sidetracked with Chief's reveal. We will deal with him when the time comes.

RA has accused Lathum of being a Titan. So either RA is lying, or Lathum tried to pull the wool over our eyes.

I am out.

[Chief Rum]

In that case, BTW, my quandary is resolved. There is no conflict now with RA's story, and I have no reason to doubt him. So barring some compelling reveal, I would join in a Lathum vote.

VOTE LATHUM

[Telle]

I only read Lathum's reveal once, smack in the middle of trying to catch up earlier this week. Achilles was always more of a natural BG in my mind, I think, and I don't know much about Heracles, so I think my mind made the switch by the time I came back to thinking about what roles to go after.

I tried to find out if Achilles was in the game on Day Two, and when King Triton screwed me over, I tried again on Day Three.

Kinda funny that King Triton had such an affect on you... seeing as how he's supposed to affect the Gigantes but you said you're one of the Hecatonchires.

[Chief Rum]

Kinda funny that King Triton had such an affect on you... seeing as how he's supposed to affect the Gigantes but you said you're one of the Hecatonchires.

How do you know that about Triton and Gigantes? I didn't see anything in the rules. I don't know anything about Triton. I just know I had action points that night, and his arrival kaboshed them. If you look after that night's deadline, I was very curious what everyone thought about Triton. That was the reason why. He totally screwed over my night actions.

BTW, Gigantes are very similar to Hecatonchires in where they come from and who they are. So if what you say is true about Triton, I can't think it's such a stretch that his arrival would affect me.

[Telle]

I meant that Greek mythology talks about Triton's conch shell being used against the Gigantes. Through a bit of googling I saw Triton and Gigantes mentioned together quite often.. but didn't see any mention of Hacatonchires with Triton.

[Chief Rum]

I meant that Greek mythology talks about Triton's conch shell being used against the Gigantes. Through a bit of googling I saw Triton and Gigantes mentioned together quite often.. but didn't see any mention of Hacatonchires with Triton.

Ah, well that's out of my element. I briefly looked up all of the groups Alan put in his post, but only really focused on the Hecatonchires after I got my role. I read enough to know the Gigantes are Tritons who more or less come from the same place as the Hecatonchires, but unlike the latter, they went against the Olympians.

[Telle]

Well, I realize that I'm beating a horse that nobody else really cares about at the moment.. so I think it's time for me to head off to bed.

[Chief Rum]

Well, I realize that I'm beating a horse that nobody else really cares about at the moment.. so I think it's time for me to head off to bed.

I'm okay with your suspicions. If I were you, I would think it a stretch, too. But I have no way of proving it any further. Well, except if we lynch Racer and he turns up a Titan, I suppose.

[Chief Rum]

Alan HAS been known to come up with some pretty kookie roles, BTW. :)

And I always seem to get them, too, although I don't doubt it's completely random. In his Tombstone game, I was the hooker with the heart of gold (even became sheriff, the ultimate good role in the game). And in Big City, I was a neutral sports bettor who ended up with a choice to go good or bad (I chose good).

[Racer]

That's right. And I can prove it. I had one left over AP after your use of my role, and it came back on Odysseus. Odysseus is not in the game at all. So Racer is a Titan.

I am not lying about my role. I am Odysseus.

[Racer]

Vote Lathum

This will be just one AP so I can send a BG to guard Apollo at 4 AP strength.

Why would your broadcast how you plan to use your AP points for weekend deadline? It seems like it would only play into the hands of the Titans.

[st.cronin]

Do not vote for Lathum, he IS the bodyguard. I know this for 100% now.

[PurdueBrad]

Wow, nice job last night everybody! I'll follow RA on ths one and put my vote on:

vote Lathum