Werewolf LXI - Ocean's Eleven (GAME OVER, SEE PAGE 19 FOR RESULT.)

[claphamsa]

He's arguing with far more than one person.

Clam: You are indeed the one doing the beating, a number of people have given points that go against our argument. Its fine if you still don't agree, but its doubtful you'll be changing anyone's mind at this stage.


Let's see if anyone comes running to save Anxiety

VOTE ANXIETY

Who is the clam fellow! :D

[claphamsa]

He's arguing with far more than one person.

Clam: You are indeed the one doing the beating, a number of people have given points that go against our argument. Its fine if you still don't agree, but its doubtful you'll be changing anyone's mind at this stage.


Let's see if anyone comes running to save Anxiety

VOTE ANXIETY

So much for work :( this is too much fun!

I wasnt in fact tryign to change anyones mind, just explainig why I did what I did.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 252:

Anxiety (4)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244), RendeR (248)
Claphamsa (2)- Lathum (179), Telle (237)
Lathum (1)- Barkeep49 (162)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)
Barkeep49 (1)- Claphamsa (193)

STILL TO VOTE: Chesapeake, Anxiety, ntnDeacon, Path12

[chesapeake]

Render has now cast his second vote that appears to be pretty decisive. The St. Cronin vote (which I admittedly shared) turned out to be a win for the wolves. I'm not conviced that there was any attempt to save Anxiety then, and Render has made "saving Anxiety" somewhat perjorative now.

From what little I know, that seems wolfish to me.

Vote RendeR

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 255:

Anxiety (4)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244), RendeR (248)
Claphamsa (2)- Lathum (179), Telle (237)
Lathum (1)- Barkeep49 (162)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)
Barkeep49 (1)- Claphamsa (193)
RendeR (1)- Chesapeake (254)

STILL TO VOTE: Anxiety, ntnDeacon, Path12

[RendeR]

I suppose it could look that way. Anxiety is the popular vote today. The comment was made that it looked like path was hanging around to use his vote as a saving grace for anxiety yesterday, so I thought perhaps it would be a good idea to push that suggestion again today.

Piss poor luck is the only excuse for yesterday's lynching of Danny Ocean. He's not a huge loss anyway as it wasn't much more than a typical day 1 villager lynch. is win conditions were difficult to accomplish at best.

I'm not sold that Anxiety is in fact a wolf, but he is the leading vote getter and testing the waters to see if anyone comes to his rescue is at least a positive move at this point. If I feel threatened near deadline I'll certainly move my vote to save myself.

[Barkeep49]

Well of our two vote leaders I think clap is the better choice.

Unvote clap
Vote Lathum

[PurdueBrad]

Well of our two vote leaders I think clap is the better choice.

Unvote clap
Vote Lathum

Barkeep, I don't want to assume what you meant to do here even though I can guess. Although after giving it some thought, I'll make it a vote for Clap unless Lathum gives a further correction.

[Telle]

Well of our two vote leaders I think clap is the better choice.

Unvote clap
Vote Lathum

I think you got that backwards.

[Lathum]

jesus man....

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 261:

Anxiety (4)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244), RendeR (248)
Claphamsa (3)- Lathum (179), Telle (237), Barkeep49 (257)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)
Barkeep49 (1)- Claphamsa (193)
RendeR (1)- Chesapeake (254)

STILL TO VOTE: Anxiety, ntnDeacon, Path12

[Barkeep49]

I did indeed mean to unvote lathum and vote for clap. Thanks for pointing it out and fixing it for me.

[RendeR]

Did I just hear a cavalry bugle?

[SnDvls]

well as it stands now Anxiety will vote Clap and tie it up and Clap will vote Anxiety to put him in the lead...so still a lot of moving I'm afraid will happen

[RendeR]

well as it stands now Anxiety will vote Clap and tie it up and Clap will vote Anxiety to put him in the lead...so still a lot of moving I'm afraid will happen


Every lifesaving intervention starts with 1 vote.

[path12]

I've never been good at C.

If I was a wolf I'd be itchin' to get in an argument. We seem to have the habit lately of leaving the squabblers alone because there's no way a wolf would put themself out so openly......

[Abe Sargent]

I've never been good at C.

Im pretty good at C. See AlanT and me a few games ago. Of course, then I got outed by stcronin and the cathedral was built and ...

I;m just saying expect the unexpected. Don;t discount it in WW.

[Abe Sargent]

If I was a wolf I'd be itchin' to get in an argument. We seem to have the habit lately of leaving the squabblers alone because there's no way a wolf would put themself out so openly......

I think part of it is that Blade is not playing anymore, and it was definately a Blade sort of tactic, so we just assumed it left with him. Plus hoops aint playing this game, and its the sort of things he;d pull too.

[chesapeake]

Heading home. I hope to be on before the deadline.

[jeheinz72]

Well, I'm about to go and my vote is sticking. I think if Anxiety turns up bad, we look hard at the line of people voting for the other contender in both of these votes. If he's good, well then, we're not doing so hot.

[ntndeacon]

I don't buy the push against Anxiety. His vote is very clear as to what it was. it was a self preservation move. I will not punish him for that.

Vote Claphamsa

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 271:

Anxiety (4)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244), RendeR (248)
Claphamsa (4)- Lathum (179), Telle (237), Barkeep49 (257), ntndeacon (271)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)
Barkeep49 (1)- Claphamsa (193)
RendeR (1)- Chesapeake (254)

STILL TO VOTE: Anxiety, Path12

[Lathum]

I don't buy the push against Anxiety. His vote is very clear as to what it was. it was a self preservation move. I will not punish him for that.


while I agree with you, Anxiety also made it VERY clear he was being forced to vote out of self preservation for the second day in a row.

[ntndeacon]

true and I do expect both Anxiety's and claphamsa's vote to go on thier opposite number. I am interested in what PurdueBrad mentioned about what a tie could bring about. I am hopeful that that might be something in our favor.

[Abe Sargent]

while I agree with you, Anxiety also made it VERY clear he was being forced to vote out of self preservation for the second day in a row.

Yeah, its unfortuante, but obviously that;s the way the game goes.

[Abe Sargent]

Might as well get it out there

Vote claphamsa

Folks, obviously no one wants to die in WW, not even a scrub villager like myself, but this is claphamsa's first game, so I bear you no ill will if you vote me off in order to give him another day or two to keep playing.

[path12]

while I agree with you, Anxiety also made it VERY clear he was being forced to vote out of self preservation for the second day in a row.

But who wouldn't in that situation? If I need to self preserve vote, I always say that's exactly what that vote is for.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 277:

Claphamsa (5)- Lathum (179), Telle (237), Barkeep49 (257), ntndeacon (271), Anxiety (276)
Anxiety (4)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244), RendeR (248)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)
Barkeep49 (1)- Claphamsa (193)
RendeR (1)- Chesapeake (254)

STILL TO VOTE: Path12

[claphamsa]

unvote barkeep
vote anxiety



Im still convinced BK is a wolf tho! Maybe I convinced myself, but whatever! :cool:

[claphamsa]

Interesting sentiment! I think BK is thrilled that we are fighting amongst ourselves now! and dont worry I will reveal if thats what it takes to keep me alive!

Yeah, its unfortuante, but obviously that;s the way the game goes.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 280:

Claphamsa (5)- Lathum (179), Telle (237), Barkeep49 (257), ntndeacon (271), Anxiety (276)
Anxiety (5)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244), RendeR (248), Claphamsa (279)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)
RendeR (1)- Chesapeake (254)

STILL TO VOTE: Path12

[Lathum]

But who wouldn't in that situation? If I need to self preserve vote, I always say that's exactly what that vote is for.

noted.

but as a bad guy I would also want to have a noted excuse out there to cover my early track record of voting off good guys

[Barkeep49]

Interesting sentiment! I think BK is thrilled that we are fighting amongst ourselves now! and dont worry I will reveal if thats what it takes to keep me alive!
You seem a little obsessed with me. I think I'm flattered.

[Barkeep49]

noted.

but as a bad guy I would also want to have a noted excuse out there to cover my early track record of voting off good guys
I think bad guy or no we have to give Anxiety a break. Voting in self defense is the best vote possible and Anxiety did vote early so it's not like he held his vote so he could cast it in "self defense". If I were a bad guy I'd be upset about being on the block two days in a row, rather than happy at having plausible deniability for later on.

[Barkeep49]

I think bad guy or no we have to give Anxiety a break. Voting in self defense is the best vote possible and Anxiety did vote early so it's not like he held his vote so he could cast it in "self defense". If I were a bad guy I'd be upset about being on the block two days in a row, rather than happy at having plausible deniability for later on.
I didn't mean the best vote possible. More one of the better reasons to cast a vote.

[Lathum]

I'm getting even more votes? Surprise, surprise.

I';ll wait to casst any votes because it seems that once again, I will be forced to vote defensively

Unvote Claphasma
Vote Anxiety

something about this statement doesn't sit well with me.

[claphamsa]

You seem a little obsessed with me. I think I'm flattered.


I saw some pics of you on the internet what can I say!!!

[Lathum]

I saw some pics of you on the internet what can I say!!!

some of us will find this way funnier then others.

Right Pass?

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 287:

Anxiety (6)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244), RendeR (248), Claphamsa (279), Lathum (286)
Claphamsa (4)- Telle (237), Barkeep49 (257), ntndeacon (271), Anxiety (276)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)
RendeR (1)- Chesapeake (254)

STILL TO VOTE: Path12

[claphamsa]

some of us will find this way funnier then others.

Right Pass?


oh i need an explanation :D

And what part of the natti u from?

[Lathum]

oh i need an explanation :D

And what part of the natti u from?

not from the natti, born and raised in Jersey, live in hyde Park for now.

[claphamsa]

not from the natti, born and raised in Jersey, live in hyde Park for now.

Had lots of freinds in Hyde park back in the day, I lived in 4th and Plum after college (# 1 miami Redksins!!!!)

[path12]

Shit. I really should vote earlier. Interesting setup though, I'm going to think about this on the commute home and will vote then.

[claphamsa]

Shit. I really should vote earlier. Interesting setup though, I'm going to think about this on the commute home and will vote then.


hopefully ur commute goes better than mine! 25 min to 80 min :(

[Barkeep49]

I saw some pics of you on the internet what can I say!!!
Who doesn't find the smiley face sexy.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6361/picture003af1.th.jpg (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture003af1.jpg)

[Lathum]

lol

[RendeR]

UNVOTE ANXIETY



I got the answer I wanted. Instead of people trying to save him they all bandwagoned to lynch him. I don't believe he's a wolf.

[Barkeep49]

UNVOTE ANXIETY



I got the answer I wanted. Instead of people trying to save him they all bandwagoned to lynch him. I don't believe he's a wolf.
Then come join the party on clap. It's your best bet at helping avoid Anxiety getting lynched.

[Lathum]

Not sure where you get bandwagon from, it's a pretty close vote.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 300:

Anxiety (5)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244), Claphamsa (279), Lathum (286)
Claphamsa (4)- Telle (237), Barkeep49 (257), ntndeacon (271), Anxiety (276)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)
RendeR (1)- Chesapeake (254)

STILL TO VOTE: Path12, RendeR

[claphamsa]

UNVOTE ANXIETY



I got the answer I wanted. Instead of people trying to save him they all bandwagoned to lynch him. I don't believe he's a wolf.

Interesting Considering it was 5-4 and I moved onto him to make it a tie, So the only one who made any kind of deciseve move was Lanham, not exactly bandwagoning there.

[claphamsa]

Then come join the party on clap. It's your best bet at helping avoid Anxiety getting lynched.


dont worry there smiley your days are numberd one way or another!

[RendeR]

Not sure where you get bandwagon from, it's a pretty close vote.


it was even, then he was 2 votes ahead with only 1 unvoted person, that tells me that he's either not a wolf or the wolves are willing to sacrifice him on day 2, I don't see the latter being smart for them so early, so I have to trust for now that Anxiety is not a wolf.

[RendeR]

Interesting Considering it was 5-4 and I moved onto him to make it a tie, So the only one who made any kind of deciseve move was Lanham, not exactly bandwagoning there.


It was 6-4 when I unvoted, I wanted to know if the wolves would ride to his rescue, they still might, but if they do it will be more obvious as well. I watched all day as pepole kept Anxiety ahead for the most part. If he were a wolf the tide would have turned by now IMO.

I could certainly be wrong, its happened before.

[claphamsa]

it was even, then he was 2 votes ahead with only 1 unvoted person, that tells me that he's either not a wolf or the wolves are willing to sacrifice him on day 2, I don't see the latter being smart for them so early, so I have to trust for now that Anxiety is not a wolf.

FWIW I dont think Anxiety is a wolf either, then again I know Im not a wolf! so....... sorry bru!

Now if some people wanted to make the smart move and chop smiley! i could jump on board!

[Telle]

it was even, then he was 2 votes ahead with only 1 unvoted person, that tells me that he's either not a wolf or the wolves are willing to sacrifice him on day 2, I don't see the latter being smart for them so early, so I have to trust for now that Anxiety is not a wolf.

With an hour and a half left to go there's still tons of time for the wolves to move votes if they need to.. you know, like you declaring that he's not a wolf and moving your vote off... thus trying to buy some level of trust for both of you as villagers.

[Lathum]

With an hour and a half left to go there's still tons of time for the wolves to move votes if they need to.. you know, like you declaring that he's not a wolf and moving your vote off... thus trying to buy some level of trust for both of you as villagers.

I thought the same thing.

It seems plausable. I could see a scenerio where Render jumped on Anxiety because it looked like there may be a bandwagon on him and now see's a convienient way to unvote him and not look bad doing it.

[RendeR]

With an hour and a half left to go there's still tons of time for the wolves to move votes if they need to.. you know, like you declaring that he's not a wolf and moving your vote off... thus trying to buy some level of trust for both of you as villagers.


Vote for me then. If you think I'm playing the sneaky git-wolf ploy here, find out. lynch me.

[RendeR]

Sometimes a rock is just a rock. I am the rock.

[Telle]

Vote for me then. If you think I'm playing the sneaky git-wolf ploy here, find out. lynch me.

Just a theory my dear.. and I didn't want it to slide by unnoticed in case I'm right.

[Lathum]

Vote for me then. If you think I'm playing the sneaky git-wolf ploy here, find out. lynch me.

ok then

Unvote Anxiety
Vote Render

[claphamsa]

Just a theory my dear.. and I didn't want it to slide by unnoticed in case I'm right.

my dear?

[RendeR]

ok then

Unvote Anxiety
Vote Render


Thats two for me, cmon folks, you don't really think anxoety is a wolf do you? vote RENDER, lets see the real fur fly!



*if you believe I'm a wolf yer dumber than a stump*

[RendeR]

my dear?



Telle == Mrs. RendeR

[Barkeep49]

Not sure where you get bandwagon from, it's a pretty close vote.
It's not a bandwagon, but there have been two times today where clap's gotten close to Anxiety and then anxiety gets a surge of votes against him.

[RendeR]

I apologize for the stump remark. Must try and be less acerbic in my posts.

[RendeR]

It's not a bandwagon, but there have been two times today where clap's gotten close to Anxiety and then anxiety gets a surge of votes against him.


Thank you BK.

[claphamsa]

Telle == Mrs. RendeR


oh....

[claphamsa]

It's not a bandwagon, but there have been two times today where clap's gotten close to Anxiety and then anxiety gets a surge of votes against him.
whos obsessed?

[st.cronin]

Telle and RendeR are gay lovers.

[RendeR]

oh....


Just to help you out, She's BETTER than I am at this game...

[RendeR]

Telle and RendeR are gay lovers.


Cronin, bud, we really need to have that talk, you know...about what the parts mean....and all that. Cause son...yer just not gettin it ;)

[claphamsa]

Just to help you out, She's BETTER than I am at this game...


Women good at beign devious? never!!!!

[claphamsa]

Any chance at getting a count? Im lazy and i need to leave to go to a hockey game in an hour!

[Barkeep49]

Telle and RendeR are gay lovers.
And yet they still hook-up with saldana when he's in town.

[Barkeep49]

Any chance at getting a count? Im lazy and i need to leave to go to a hockey game in an hour!
I don't have who voted for who but it's
Anxiety 4
Clap 4
Render 2

[Lathum]

And yet they still hook-up with saldana when he's in town.

leave my friend out of this

[claphamsa]

Well someone vote for me or anxiety cuz i gotta go soon and wann know if i have to reveall! :)

[Telle]

And yet they still hook-up with saldana when he's in town.

"he"?

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 330:

Anxiety (4)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244), Claphamsa (279)
Claphamsa (4)- Telle (237), Barkeep49 (257), ntndeacon (271), Anxiety (276)
RendeR (2)- Chesapeake (254), Lathum (311)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)

STILL TO VOTE: Path12, RendeR

[Lathum]

"he"?

lol

[Barkeep49]

"he"?
Yeah. I was just sick when I saw that typo. I wish I could have edited the post.

[claphamsa]

Yeah. I was just sick when I saw that typo. I wish I could have edited the post.

methinks im missing some good fun!

[RendeR]

methinks im missing some good fun!


Saldana's a chick.

[st.cronin]

Saldana's a hot chick.

fixed

[claphamsa]

OK as I see it im fecked! and there is no reason for me to nto reveal (there rarley is!) Im the Vetran, im a good guy and im gonna take somoen with me! so vote for me and ill take someone out, vote for someone else and the wolves wont hit me cuz i know at least one of them!

I expect BK to be a self preservationist!

unvote anxiety
vote render

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 336:

Claphamsa (4)- Telle (237), Barkeep49 (257), ntndeacon (271), Anxiety (276)
RendeR (3)- Chesapeake (254), Lathum (311), Claphamsa (336)
Anxiety (3)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)

STILL TO VOTE: Path12, RendeR

[Barkeep49]

clap: If you choose to take me out because you've got a hard on for me, so be it. You'll just look pretty stupid doing it.

[claphamsa]

clap: If you choose to take me out because you've got a hard on for me, so be it. You'll just look pretty stupid doing it.


entirely possible, unless your a wolf! then ill look S M R T!

[Barkeep49]

So if I believe clap then he's basically invulnerable and is a great beginning to our COT, despite the fact that I would be on the outside of his. I'm trying to think of a situation where a wolf would fake reveal as the veteran and am not seeing it. Anyone have a good scenario for the wolf faking as the veteran? Or even the rogue doing it?

[Lathum]

clap- how could you possibly know someone is a wolf?

[Barkeep49]

entirely possible, unless your a wolf! then ill look S M R T!
If I were a wolf then you'd have to change your signature, that's true. But I'm not and you won't have to.

[Barkeep49]

clap- how could you possibly know someone is a wolf?
I think he means that he would kill a wolf if attacked, not that he knows the identity now of a wolf.

[claphamsa]

clap- how could you possibly know someone is a wolf?

I dont KNOW, but im pretty darned sure!

[Barkeep49]

Ok I can't come up with a scenario where a wolf fake reveals as the veteran. Because if the real veteran than counter reveals the wolf is dead.

Unvote clap

Not sure who I like as a better target.

[Barkeep49]

Someone remind me of the cases against Anxiety and Render?

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 346:

Claphamsa (3)- Telle (237), ntndeacon (271), Anxiety (276)
RendeR (3)- Chesapeake (254), Lathum (311), Claphamsa (336)
Anxiety (3)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)

STILL TO VOTE: Path12, RendeR, Barkeep49

[claphamsa]

Someone remind me of the cases against Anxiety and Render?

there never really was a case against anxiety, hes jsut been a target, render has been called on odd vote switches.

[Barkeep49]

Lathum I see you around. Care to make your pitch against Render?

[RendeR]

I TOLD him to vote or me.

[Lathum]

Pretty much.

Render asked to be voted for. Plus I can see a situation where he is a wolf trying to buy some trust by moving away from Anxiety

[Barkeep49]

Well this is all a crapshoot at this point. I don't really feel like I have much of a feel for anyone right now since there are so many players who are somewhat or completely UTR.

[Telle]

I TOLD him to vote or me.

No, you told me to vote for you.

UNVOTE CLAP
VOTE RENDER

[path12]

I got the answer I wanted. Instead of people trying to save him they all bandwagoned to lynch him. I don't believe he's a wolf.

That's weird. I wouldn't have looked for a save try till closer to deadline.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 354:

RendeR (4)- Chesapeake (254), Lathum (311), Claphamsa (336), Telle (353)
Anxiety (3)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244)
Claphamsa (2)- ntndeacon (271), Anxiety (276)
Chesapeake (1)- Chief Rum (168)

STILL TO VOTE: Path12, RendeR, Barkeep49

[path12]

dont worry there smiley your days are numberd one way or another!

I'm finding you oddly entertaining. We need that.

[RendeR]

No, you told me to vote for you.

UNVOTE CLAP
VOTE RENDER


Well, as written I was responding to you, however it was an open invitation.

*Read: it was a satirical response to people questioning my motives*

Yes, I'm asking for votes as a wolf...makes sense. DUH =) I am not a wolf and if you continue to lynch me you'll all be the lesser for it. Sheesh.

[path12]

I am the rock.

I am an island.

[RendeR]

That's weird. I wouldn't have looked for a save try till closer to deadline.

That would be because I wasn't trying to save anyone, simply moving my vote based on what I felt was enough evidence that Anxiety is not a wolf.

BK noted the same thing I did, every time the vote got even, a bunch of votes flew onto Anxiety. That doesn't happen is Anxiety is actually a wolf.


It DOES is Clam is though.

[Abe Sargent]

Wow a LOT of stuff to ctach up obn. Hold on

[path12]

BK noted the same thing I did, every time the vote got even, a bunch of votes flew onto Anxiety. That doesn't happen is Anxiety is actually a wolf.


It DOES is Clam is though.

Yeah, I know. That's what I'm puzzling about though, because there isn't a great reason I can see for clapham to false reveal as veteran. Besides, even if he is really the veteran but gets lynched, it seems pretty clear he would be taking Barkeep with him, and I don't agree with that at all.

Maybe it's just coincidence and they're both villagers?

[Abe Sargent]

I don;t thimnk RendeR's a bad guy, just observant. I din't even notice it until just now.

[RendeR]

I don;t thimnk RendeR's a bad guy......I din't even notice it until just now.


Thanks, I...Think...

[Abe Sargent]

So if I believe clap then he's basically invulnerable and is a great beginning to our COT, despite the fact that I would be on the outside of his. I'm trying to think of a situation where a wolf would fake reveal as the veteran and am not seeing it. Anyone have a good scenario for the wolf faking as the veteran? Or even the rogue doing it?

Brutal wolf? There some vaguness in teh rules about reveals when people die, maybe claim when you are BW right before deadline and no one controverts you, you die, BW someoen, everyone thinks you are the vet instead?

Of cours,e I think people are revealed by side when they die, even if no role, so I dont know about that.

[Abe Sargent]

Thanks, I...Think...

Im saying that I didnt notice teh vote trrends.

[RendeR]

Yeah, I know. That's what I'm puzzling about though, because there isn't a great reason I can see for clapham to false reveal as veteran. Besides, even if he is really the veteran but gets lynched, it seems pretty clear he would be taking Barkeep with him, and I don't agree with that at all.

Maybe it's just coincidence and they're both villagers?


yeah, that bothers me to, I don't think Clam is faking this reveal, the main reason being is that if he did the real one would slam his tail in the door. So Clam is out of my votes too.


VOTE CHESAPEAKE


Returning his initial vote on me, I got nothing worthwhile on anyone else.

[RendeR]

Im saying that I didnt notice teh vote trrends.


Ahh, I gotcha now.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 368:

RendeR (4)- Chesapeake (254), Lathum (311), Claphamsa (336), Telle (353)
Anxiety (3)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244)
Claphamsa (2)- ntndeacon (271), Anxiety (276)
Chesapeake (2)- Chief Rum (168), RendeR (367)

STILL TO VOTE: Path12, Barkeep49

[Barkeep49]

Render that's just a weird vote. Enough to push me towards you as I'm out of time.

Vote Render

[path12]

If I don't do this I'm now going to wonder about him the whole damn game.

VOTE CLAPHAM

[RendeR]

Render that's just a weird vote. Enough to push me towards you as I'm out of time.

Vote Render


I will not be lynched tonight.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count, as of post 371:

RendeR (5)- Chesapeake (254), Lathum (311), Claphamsa (336), Telle (353), Barkeep49 (369)
Anxiety (3)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244)
Claphamsa (3)- ntndeacon (271), Anxiety (276), Path12 (370)
Chesapeake (2)- Chief Rum (168), RendeR (367)

[path12]

In thread besides me: Anxiety, Barkeep, chesapeake, Lathum and Render.

[Abe Sargent]

If I don't do this I'm now going to wonder about him the whole damn game.

VOTE CLAPHAM

How is taking him from thrid to tied with second teaching you anythinhg?

[RendeR]

RendeR (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=1418), Alan T (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=2498), Anxiety (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=1734), Barkeep49 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=696), chesapeake (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=5580), Lathum (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=1697), path12 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=2700), PurdueBrad (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/member.php?u=5686)

[chesapeake]

I will not be lynched tonight.

Nailing the door shut? Quick! Someone find a window!

[RendeR]

Deadline?

[RendeR]

Nailing the door shut? Quick! Someone find a window!


On your coffin. Bye Bye Chessy.

[path12]

How is taking him from thrid to tied with second teaching you anythinhg?

I meant more along the line that I will wonder about him until we get some kind of read for sure. That's why I think he was my best vote.

[Abe Sargent]

RendeR the duke?

[PurdueBrad]

DEADLINE

[RendeR]

Ok, I gotta head home, I'll try to get on later, depends on how the lil'est RendeRling is feeling.

[PurdueBrad]

FINAL TALLY, NIGHT TWO:

RendeR (5)- Chesapeake (254), Lathum (311), Claphamsa (336), Telle (353), Barkeep49 (369)
Anxiety (3)- Passacaglia (186), jeheinz72 (189), SnDvls (244)
Claphamsa (3)- ntndeacon (271), Anxiety (276), Path12 (370)
Chesapeake (2)- Chief Rum (168), RendeR (367)

write up coming...

[path12]

RendeR the duke?

We have a duke this game? I need to reread.

[Abe Sargent]

Its called pursuader

[path12]

Yeah, just saw it. Didn't notice it at the bottom originally.

[chesapeake]

If you duked to me, you made a mistake.

[PurdueBrad]

The team has had to leave the glitz and glory of the strip and are on the run from Benedict and crew. As you sit around the historic Binion's Horseshoe down on Freidmont Street, a debate begins to rage. There has to be a traitor among you. Fingers are pointed, fisticuffs ensue, and ultimately you decide that the traitor must be RendeR...

"Hey, hey, hey, you got the wrong guy, it ain't me," begins RendeR. He spends the next five minutes working the room with the skill and confidence of a Vegas showman until he's won you all over. He looks over all of you and raises his finger towards Lathum.

"There's your guy," he says.

All eyes go to Lathum.

"NO, not him," RendeR says, "The guy behind him, Chesapeake."

And with that, you tie Chesapeake up and dump him in the rooftop pool, naked and unconscious and you call hotel security to take him away.

As they take him, RendeR picks up Chesapeake's wallet. It reads Sam Harmon, simple villager.

[Abe Sargent]

Yup, Duke

[Telle]

So if I believe clap then he's basically invulnerable and is a great beginning to our COT, despite the fact that I would be on the outside of his. I'm trying to think of a situation where a wolf would fake reveal as the veteran and am not seeing it. Anyone have a good scenario for the wolf faking as the veteran? Or even the rogue doing it?

The rules state that not all roles are necessarily in the game. If the wolves were told which roles are in the game, they could confidently fake-reveal as any of the untaken villager roles if they felt the need.

[Lathum]

FWIW I had Render pegged as soon as he asked to be voted for

[PurdueBrad]

"Damn daddy-o, you could've picked anybody and you took out Sammy," RendeR is asked.

He hangs his head in shame and calls out for a drink.

Nearby, Chief Rum gets a phone call.

"I got a hot line on a little broad," he says. "Or maybe I got a little line on a hot broad. I'm out of here."

Chief Rum heads out to Friedmont to meet up with the mystery girl but waiting for him there are two goons from the Benedict crew.

Another one bites the dust...this time it is Josh Howard, the crew's Rogue.

BEGIN DAY THREE...

[Telle]

Yup, Duke

Yeah I figured.. the way he was pushing people to vote for him.

[path12]

Why chesapeake again?

[Abe Sargent]

Alright, this day was interesting and all, but I think we need to start looking at the UTR folks instead of getting all caught in a villager vs villager hissy fight.

When I am a wolf, if there are villager vs villager fights going on, I stay low and away. Let them kill each other, and I;m doign fine. Who's UTR?

CR but he normallis on Monday.
SnDvls is a bit, to be honest, compared to nomral
telle is a bit
jeheinz?
Pass?

[chesapeake]

Dumped into the pool naked? What an ignominious end. Still, I had fun. Good luck, villagers!

[Barkeep49]

I think that was might unsporting going after chesapeake. And FTR, I was at work and was not signed onto a computer immediately following my vote.

[Abe Sargent]

"Damn daddy-o, you could've picked anybody and you took out Sammy," RendeR is asked.

He hangs his head in shame and calls out for a drink.

Nearby, Chief Rum gets a phone call.

"I got a hot line on a little broad," he says. "Or maybe I got a little line on a hot broad. I'm out of here."

Chief Rum heads out to Friedmont to meet up with the mystery girl but waiting for him there are two goons from the Benedict crew.

Another one bites the dust...this time it is Josh Howard, the crew's Rogue.

BEGIN DAY THREE...

I'm not upset to see the Rogue die...

[Lathum]

I am not at all broken up about losing the Rogue. He is just as likely to hit a good role as a bad role

[Abe Sargent]

Dumped into the pool naked? What an ignominious end. Still, I had fun. Good luck, villagers!

Yay! Thanks for playing chesapeake,a nd hope you play again soon!

[Lathum]

why cheaspeke?

[RendeR]

Alright, this day was interesting and all, but I think we need to start looking at the UTR folks instead of getting all caught in a villager vs villager hissy fight.


This was why I went after Chesapeake. I know I'm good, and he came out after me as the first vote on me, so adding the UTR and voting for a good guy I felt he was a wolf. I was wrong.

Dumped into the pool naked? What an ignominious end. Still, I had fun. Good luck, villagers!

Sorry dude, my instincts sucked this time. Come back soon!

I think that was might unsporting going after chesapeake. And FTR, I was at work and was not signed onto a computer immediately following my vote.

Unsporting? Wtf? I had a hunch based on game play and I played it.

why cheaspeke?


Thats why.

[SnDvls]

Alright, this day was interesting and all, but I think we need to start looking at the UTR folks instead of getting all caught in a villager vs villager hissy fight.

When I am a wolf, if there are villager vs villager fights going on, I stay low and away. Let them kill each other, and I;m doign fine. Who's UTR?

CR but he normallis on Monday.
SnDvls is a bit, to be honest, compared to nomral
telle is a bit
jeheinz?
Pass?

sorry Abe that's just kinda my game...I try to add in where I can (shrugs) I think it's interesting how the vote really moved late again even with RendeR calling for the move...at least we have one person in our COT and one semi person still unconfirmed.

[Lathum]

well it's Renders power and he can use it how he likes but I think Anxiety or claphamsa would have been a choice that would have given us more answers.

[ntndeacon]

If anyone is gonna die best let it be the darned rogue.

[claphamsa]

wow i m alive :)

[Chief Rum]

You're all ungrateful swine! I would have dazzled with my skills, starting tonight. Unfortunately, I couldn't do anything interesting until tonight, and now I'm dead. Ugh. Oh well...another juicy role bites the dust. Go...vill...umm, go wol...well, screw y'all! :)

[Neon_Chaos]

Great day 1 read. Not enough drama though.

I WANT MY DRAMA!

and wicked last-minute reveals!

On with the show, then.

[jeheinz72]

I am an island.

Haha...

[jeheinz72]

Who's UTR?

SnDvls is a bit, to be honest, compared to nomral
telle is a bit
jeheinz?
Pass?

Didn't think I was really being under the radar, just didn't have much to say. I wasn't about to throw myself in the lame (and pointless) argument BK and clap were having.

I'd be happy to talk more, but need to do some digging first. For the record, my short-list for votes would be Pass, SnDvls and Path. There's a wolf in them thar list.

[Passacaglia]

Didn't think I was really being under the radar, just didn't have much to say. I wasn't about to throw myself in the lame (and pointless) argument BK and clap were having.

I'd be happy to talk more, but need to do some digging first. For the record, my short-list for votes would be Pass, SnDvls and Path. There's a wolf in them thar list.

Why those three?

[jeheinz72]

Well first I'll admit, nothing very concrete here. My basic premise was that we were facing villager v. villager on Day One (we know Cronin was, and it's looking like Anxiety is). So the wolves decided to just steer clear (not that I think ALL THREE of your are wolves)

Pass - You aren't playing like I've normally witnessed you playing. Plus your votes have been basic nothings, NTN and Anxiety. It doesn't seem like you've taken a real stance on anything, possibly playing the UTR wolf card.

SnDvls - Strange vote for RendeR on Day One. Admittedly though, Day one votes are weak I know.

Path - Also seems to be playing differently from what I've picked up, though he did mention he was busy or in a foul mood (or both, I forget which). The odd thing to me was the late vote for Clap on Day Two. Just seemed like a strange place to put a vote at the time.

[Barkeep49]

I'll buy that path's vote late in the day for clap is odd. Good enough for me to vote for him to start things off.

Vote path

[path12]

I'll buy that path's vote late in the day for clap is odd. Good enough for me to vote for him to start things off.



What exactly is odd about my vote? There was a two vote margin between Render and Anxiety (I don't really have much of a read on either so didn't feel compelled to put my vote on one of them), and as I mentioned there was something about claphams reveal that just seemed off to me, so I voted for him.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[jeheinz72]

What exactly is odd about my vote? There was a two vote margin between Render and Anxiety (I don't really have much of a read on either so didn't feel compelled to put my vote on one of them), and as I mentioned there was something about claphams reveal that just seemed off to me, so I voted for him.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Meh, it just felt wasted to me (along the lines of the Day one scenario where the wolves may have just decided to avoid the V vs. V debate). I don't see how his reveal could be faked, no one really seemed to be leaning towards calling him on it, and if it's not fake then we're wasting a potentially valuable member of a future COT. It seemed to me to have these elements

- A wolf staying out of a Villager vs Villager fight
- A wolf possibly trying to re-up interest in voting a COT person
- A vote that *appears* as if it's meaningful but in reality isn't

Just my vibe off the whole deal.

[Barkeep49]

path: really? What seemed off? Basically by saying it's off you're accusing him of doing a fake reveal. What scenario did you have in mind that would justify the fake reveal? At that point in time clap was as about as close to a trusted player as we had, and basically is trusted by me at this point, and yet you voted for him, with a vote that was, by your own admission, meaningless. The meaningless late vote against an overhwelmingly likely good guy is off and strange. And thus worthy of my vote.

[Passacaglia]

Well first I'll admit, nothing very concrete here. My basic premise was that we were facing villager v. villager on Day One (we know Cronin was, and it's looking like Anxiety is). So the wolves decided to just steer clear (not that I think ALL THREE of your are wolves)

Pass - You aren't playing like I've normally witnessed you playing. Plus your votes have been basic nothings, NTN and Anxiety. It doesn't seem like you've taken a real stance on anything, possibly playing the UTR wolf card.

SnDvls - Strange vote for RendeR on Day One. Admittedly though, Day one votes are weak I know.

Path - Also seems to be playing differently from what I've picked up, though he did mention he was busy or in a foul mood (or both, I forget which). The odd thing to me was the late vote for Clap on Day Two. Just seemed like a strange place to put a vote at the time.

What was strange about SD's vote for RendeR? I don't remember it.

[Telle]

Loyal Wolf: You function as a regular wolf, but have the ability to change one lynching from the selected candidate to the person of your choosing. You will know this role from the beginning.

Just noticed.. the wolves could have a duke too. So there's a possibility that RendeR's not on our side. But in that case I'd think that the villager wolf would speak up.. assuming that we have one.

[Telle]

Just noticed.. the wolves could have a duke too. So there's a possibility that RendeR's not on our side. But in that case I'd think that the villager wolf would speak up.. assuming that we have one.

Errr.. the "villager duke".

[path12]

path: really? What seemed off? Basically by saying it's off you're accusing him of doing a fake reveal. What scenario did you have in mind that would justify the fake reveal?

Here are some thoughts as to why this could be a fake reveal:

1) Because there are fewer players than normal, certain stated roles are not in the game. The wolves may be aware of which are in play (as happened last game or the one before, I forget which).
2) Twice yesterday as claphamsa was taking the vote lead a surge of votes came on Anxiety to tie it up.
3) claphamsa could be a brutal wolf.

I don't think those are out of line for a vote, and as I mentioned before, I didn't have a good feeling about either Render or Anxiety (I don't get any views this game).

I'd also point out that by waiting both days so far and making a late vote, I'm inviting more scrutiny on my votes than usual, which is really not the strategy I'd normally apply as a wolf, where I'd be far more happy to just kind of follow along with the consensus.

So if you want to vote me for that, feel free. I don't think I've done anything to warrant it though.

[Barkeep49]

Telle nice catch! Completely forgot about that possibility this game. I think it's less likely there is a both a villager and a wolf duke. So which one is Render? I don't know. I do know, however, that 50/50 is better than any other odds I'm getting today. I still don't trust path. But Render's the better play.

Unvote path
Vote Render

[claphamsa]

Telle nice catch! Completely forgot about that possibility this game. I think it's less likely there is a both a villager and a wolf duke. So which one is Render? I don't know. I do know, however, that 50/50 is better than any other odds I'm getting today. I still don't trust path. But Render's the better play.

Unvote path
Vote Render

Belive it or not Path has passed you on my wolf list :)

[X]- That just means I think your both guilty!

vote path

[PurdueBrad]

Here is the current vote tally:

Path12 (1)- Claphamsa (422)
RendeR (1)- Barkeep49 (421)

Not voted: Passacaglia, Telle, Path12, Anxiety, RendeR, SnDvls, ntndeacon, jeheinz72, Lathum

I won't be updating as much after 3 pm CST as the wife and I are doing a charity bowl this afternoon. I will be back in the evening and definitely by deadline.

[jeheinz72]

What was strange about SD's vote for RendeR? I don't remember it.

He was in and out of the thread for awhile and when it was clear there was a showdown he put his vote on someone new

[jeheinz72]

Telle nice catch! Completely forgot about that possibility this game. I think it's less likely there is a both a villager and a wolf duke. So which one is Render? I don't know. I do know, however, that 50/50 is better than any other odds I'm getting today. I still don't trust path. But Render's the better play.

Unvote path
Vote Render

Is he really though? It just seems like a lot of conjecture to get to where RendeR is a bad guy. The villager duke would have to not be countering his claim. While it could allegedly be 50/50, I don't think it really is. Since we have a lot to lose if we're wrong (namely someone who would be in our COT).

Frankly, this switch has me thinkin' about your loyalties here BK

[jeheinz72]

dola, I don't really think it's 50/50 either. 50/50 would be if we knew Render and PlayerX both had duke abilities and we were picking between one of them.

What we have here ix X% where that's the chance that both roles are in the game and RendeR holds the bad one. For all we know

A) The bad duke role isn't in the game
B) RendeR is the good duke role and the Wolvish Duke of course isn't coming forward

[jeheinz72]

Pass - What would be your counter/defense to my thought that you are playing differently. What are your thoughts at the moment?

[ntndeacon]

Just noticed.. the wolves could have a duke too. So there's a possibility that RendeR's not on our side. But in that case I'd think that the villager wolf would speak up.. assuming that we have one.

I thought of this too. I don't think that Render should be voted for on this case though. I tend to believe he is the duke.

[Passacaglia]

Pass - What would be your counter/defense to my thought that you are playing differently. What are your thoughts at the moment?

Yeah, I've probably been more quiet than usual. I don't really play the UTR wolf, though -- when I'm a wolf, I'm in it to win it, not to just slide under the radar.

I disagree that my votes have been nothing votes. I put the first vote on Anxiety yesterday, with the intention of seeing if another effort would be made to save him. After two days, I think that it's most likely that he's not a wolf, but I'm still a littl cautious -- the wolves could have been biding their time.

I'm a bit skeptical of path, but I can see his side of things, so I want to see how things progress for as long as I can. I'm not sure Telle's argument necessarily gives me reason to vote for RendeR, so I still see him as neutral at this time.

Let me know if that doesn't clear everything up for you!

[Barkeep49]

If you believe there are two dukes in the game, then Render can be trusted. However, I don't believe there are two dukes in the game. That makes it 50/50 that he's a good guy or not.

[Abe Sargent]

jeheinz I'm pulling you off my utr list. In retrospect, I jus tthink we are playing at different times of the day, but you really aren't utr.

[Passacaglia]

If you believe there are two dukes in the game, then Render can be trusted. However, I don't believe there are two dukes in the game. That makes it 50/50 that he's a good guy or not.

How strong is your belief that there is only one duke? What is it based on?

[SnDvls]

He was in and out of the thread for awhile and when it was clear there was a showdown he put his vote on someone new

this isn't true...you need to reread my post and vote. I was out and gone after my vote and didn't get back on until way late.

[Barkeep49]

Based soley on the fact that there are 14 players in the game. Just seems like there are too many roles for 14 players and so some are ommitted.

[RendeR]

I am not a wolf or a wolf-duke. I am the persuader as told to me in my PM. I was also given an item which I have PM-d to have given to another player.

PB has that been dealt with yet?

[Passacaglia]

Based soley on the fact that there are 14 players in the game. Just seems like there are too many roles for 14 players and so some are ommitted.

I'd give you 20-40% certainty based on that, not the 100% you've based your decision-making on.

[PurdueBrad]

Based soley on the fact that there are 14 players in the game. Just seems like there are too many roles for 14 players and so some are ommitted.

I've purposely stayed out of several conversations where I might be able to give clarity. However, I will clarify this, all roles may not be in the game. I built it so that it would be flexible for between ten and twenty.

[jeheinz72]

this isn't true...you need to reread my post and vote. I was out and gone after my vote and didn't get back on until way late.


Yeah but you were in it before your vote and clearly had to have seen the imminent showdown and you chose instead to vote for someone new. Sorry if I didn't word that correctly initially, you did indeed split after your vote, I saw that.

[PurdueBrad]

PB has that been dealt with yet?


Check your PM RendeR and verify.

[SnDvls]

He was in and out of the thread for awhile and when it was clear there was a showdown he put his vote on someone new

to add to this at the time of my vote there were 3 votes for St. C and 1 vote for all of the following people, including a single vote placed by you, Anxiety, Latham, NTN & Clap.

[jeheinz72]

If you believe there are two dukes in the game, then Render can be trusted. However, I don't believe there are two dukes in the game. That makes it 50/50 that he's a good guy or not.

So you're saying there is only 1 duke in the game. I can buy that to some extent. Why is it that only the bad duke would be it? Your statement conflicts itself, at least in the way I'm reading it.

[SnDvls]

Yeah but you were in it before your vote and clearly had to have seen the imminent showdown and you chose instead to vote for someone new. Sorry if I didn't word that correctly initially, you did indeed split after your vote, I saw that.

see my latest post this is incorrect there was no "showdown" as you are trying to come up with.

[jeheinz72]

jeheinz I'm pulling you off my utr list. In retrospect, I jus tthink we are playing at different times of the day, but you really aren't utr.

Yeah I think that is it, though once I saw you call me UTR I was a little put back, but then I looked and at the time I only had 14 posts. I thought I had more because I read the thread all day long (from 6A-3P Pacific) but I guess I didn't actually contribute much.

Anyhow, enough of that, I'll start at least tossing my thoughts out more...

[claphamsa]

Is he really though? It just seems like a lot of conjecture to get to where RendeR is a bad guy. The villager duke would have to not be countering his claim. While it could allegedly be 50/50, I don't think it really is. Since we have a lot to lose if we're wrong (namely someone who would be in our COT).

Frankly, this switch has me thinkin' about your loyalties here BK

bout time ;)

[SnDvls]

Vote RendeR

no reason but to have a day one vote...I'll probally be out the rest of the day/night and don't want my vote to decide someone's fate without more info and it is day 1 and all ;)

and here is my exact vote too :)

[RendeR]

Based soley on the fact that there are 14 players in the game. Just seems like there are too many roles for 14 players and so some are ommitted.


I guess mylogic is this: how many games have you ever seen where the wolves had a Duke and the good guys didn't?

now how many times have you seen a game where the good guys have a Duke ability possible and it wasn't actually there?

It makes no sense at all that the wolves would have a duke and the villagers NOT have one. Either they're both in or only the good one is.

I'm the persuader. If you think I'm the wolf-duke, then the real persuader needs to speak out and contradict me. They can't of course because I AM the persuader.

[jeheinz72]

see my latest post this is incorrect there was no "showdown" as you are trying to come up with.

You're right. My mistake. When I looked this AM I saw the 3-2 (with no votes by either player in the showdown) tally.

[Abe Sargent]

If you believe there are two dukes in the game, then Render can be trusted. However, I don't believe there are two dukes in the game. That makes it 50/50 that he's a good guy or not.

Why do you beleive this?

[Abe Sargent]

Geez< i posted that twenty minutes ago, but mad lag made it just get posted. Been asked and answered so sorry BK

[claphamsa]

Geez< i posted that twenty minutes ago, but mad lag made it just get posted. Been asked and answered so sorry BK

Yeah that lag was wierd, my post didnt go up for like 20 min! poorly formated as it was.

[RendeR]

I disagree with BK's decision, but I'm not sure it points to him being a wolf. I've seen him follow faulty logic like a pit bull on a prime rib....however he could just be using that reputation to cover his fur coat, so to speak.

[Barkeep49]

Render: I have seen lots of games with the duke being a bad guy and there was no good duke. This is, however, one of the few games I can recall that has the possibility of having both a good and evil duke. I do, however, feel the duke is exactly the sort of role which would be ommitted in a game where not all roles are included.

So based on that I feel there is only 1 duke in the game. Now, with that supposition it's a coinflip as to whether render is good or evil. A coinflip is better odds, for me, than any other possibility. I am hardly convinced of his being evil, but I like the possibility better than anyone else, as really the only other person pinging my radar is path.

[Passacaglia]

I'm not thrilled with either of the two options at this point. In fact, if choosing from either of Barkeep's percentage plays, I'd have to go with his idea from yesterday.

VOTE LATHUM

Also, this vote takes us in a completely different direction, which I think is something we need right now.

[PurdueBrad]

Here is the current vote tally (as of post 453):

Path12 (1)- Claphamsa (422)
RendeR (1)- Barkeep49 (421)
Lathum (1)- Passacaglia (453)

Not voted: Telle, Path12, Anxiety, RendeR, SnDvls, ntndeacon, jeheinz72, Lathum

I won't be updating as much after 3 pm CST as the wife and I are doing a charity bowl this afternoon. I will be back in the evening and definitely by deadline.

[Telle]

Ok, my training is over and we're heading out shortly.. I'll be on the road all evening and probably won't make it in time for deadline.

There's just something about Barkeep that's pinging my radar this game. I'm not sure what it is.. but then I've also had games when I felt this way and was wrong.. but for lack of a better candidate right now..

VOTE BARKEEP

[PurdueBrad]

Here is the current vote tally (as of post 456):

RendeR (1)- Barkeep49 (421)
Path12 (1)- Claphamsa (422)
Lathum (1)- Passacaglia (453)
Barkeep49 (1)- Telle (455)

Not voted: Path12, Anxiety, RendeR, SnDvls, ntndeacon, jeheinz72, Lathum

I won't be updating as much after 3 pm CST as the wife and I are doing a charity bowl this afternoon. I will be back in the evening and definitely by deadline.

[Abe Sargent]

I'm not thrilled with either of the two options at this point. In fact, if choosing from either of Barkeep's percentage plays, I'd have to go with his idea from yesterday.

VOTE LATHUM

Also, this vote takes us in a completely different direction, which I think is something we need right now.

Why are we voting Lathum?

[Barkeep49]

Why are we voting Lathum?
Pass says he's going off of my logic. My logic yesterday was that Lathum's absence corresponded with the absence of a night 1 kill. It was, simply, a Day 2 vote and one I haven't followed up with any real intensity since.

[Passacaglia]

Not just that, but I don't like any of the ideas being floated around too much, so I'm just throwing something up.

[Abe Sargent]

I didn;t like that idea yesterday, and I like it less today.

[Passacaglia]

I didn;t like that idea yesterday, and I like it less today.

Then you're in luck. "We" aren't voting Lathum -- just me!

[SnDvls]

Well it's getting to be that time where I need to get a vote in and start heading home. I hope to be back on again tonight, but not too sure.

I'll be the person to again break the tie and put a 2nd vote on someone.

of the 4 people there (so as to not throw a new name out there for jhenitz ;) )

vote Path

of the 4 there now he's where I'll vote today. **shrugs**

[PurdueBrad]

Here is the current vote tally (as of post 462):

Path12 (2)- Claphamsa (422), SnDvls (462)
RendeR (1)- Barkeep49 (421)
Lathum (1)- Passacaglia (453)
Barkeep49 (1)- Telle (455)

Not voted: Path12, Anxiety, RendeR, ntndeacon, jeheinz72, Lathum

I won't be updating as much after 3 pm CST as the wife and I are doing a charity bowl this afternoon. I will be back in the evening and definitely by deadline.

[jeheinz72]

It's between path and BK for me, I'll decide in the next hour or so before I"m gone for the day

[Lathum]

Nice hit and run Pass.

The thing about Render for me is that when he did use his duking ability he did it on a completely random candidate. The more I think about it I get a sense he was gunning for a villager role.

VOTE RENDER

[Passacaglia]

Nice hit and run Pass.

The thing about Render for me is that when he did use his duking ability he did it on a completely random candidate. The more I think about it I get a sense he was gunning for a villager role.

VOTE RENDER

huh? Where have I run to? I'm pretty sure I explained why I voted the way I did, then when asked, I explained it again.

[Lathum]

huh? Where have I run to? I'm pretty sure I explained why I voted the way I did, then when asked, I explained it again.

you explained WHY you voted the way you did. But why the vote for me?

[Passacaglia]

you explained WHY you voted the way you did. But why the vote for me?

Doesn't explaining why I voted the way I did also explain why I voted for you? Anyway, NOW i'm going to run. Heading home.

[Lathum]

I'm not thrilled with either of the two options at this point. In fact, if choosing from either of Barkeep's percentage plays, I'd have to go with his idea from yesterday.

VOTE LATHUM

Also, this vote takes us in a completely different direction, which I think is something we need right now.

show me where you explained why you voted me as opposed to someone else.

did you pick my name from a hat?

[RendeR]

Nice hit and run Pass.

The thing about Render for me is that when he did use his duking ability he did it on a completely random candidate. The more I think about it I get a sense he was gunning for a villager role.

VOTE RENDER


There was nothing random about it. i explained to you exactly why I Duked to him. Why would you try and make it out to be a random shot?

[Barkeep49]

Pass says he's going off of my logic. My logic yesterday was that Lathum's absence corresponded with the absence of a night 1 kill. It was, simply, a Day 2 vote and one I haven't followed up with any real intensity since.

Not just that, but I don't like any of the ideas being floated around too much, so I'm just throwing something up.

Lathum this doesn't explain for you?

[Lathum]

There was nothing random about it. i explained to you exactly why I Duked to him. Why would you try and make it out to be a random shot?

your candidate came from left field. I realized you explained it but IMO it could easily be you were looking for an important villager role.

[Lathum]

Lathum this doesn't explain for you?

that isn't really a satisfactory explination. You usually are the type of player that votes based on your own theories. Not someone else's day old theory.

[Barkeep49]

that isn't really a satisfactory explination. You usually are the type of player that votes based on your own theories. Not someone else's day old theory.
Yeah I'm not even voting on my day old theory since I was never thrilled with it :)

[Lathum]

Yeah I'm not even voting on my day old theory since I was never thrilled with it :)

neither was I :)

[Abe Sargent]

Nice hit and run Pass.

The thing about Render for me is that when he did use his duking ability he did it on a completely random candidate. The more I think about it I get a sense he was gunning for a villager role.

VOTE RENDER

I'll be honest, my first reaction at seeing RendeR was duke, not evil wolf, and BK's argument that its 50/50 didn;t sway me, but this does. Thios is actual supposition, which I like.

Vote RendeR

[Abe Sargent]

I miss tanglewood in these games

[RendeR]

your candidate came from left field. I realized you explained it but IMO it could easily be you were looking for an important villager role.


And its just as likely I was looking for an important wolf role as well. You flipping BK's coins to make your decisions now?

[jeheinz72]

I'm still not buying the case on RendeR (though I always read him wrong, so maybe I should wise up). BK just seems to be playing oddly to me, so unless someone changes my other mind in the next 45 minutes

Vote Barkeep

[Lathum]

And its just as likely I was looking for an important wolf role as well. You flipping BK's coins to make your decisions now?

BK's theory had no basis on my vote. I think I stated my point clearly.

[RendeR]

I'll be honest, my first reaction at seeing RendeR was duke, not evil wolf, and BK's argument that its 50/50 didn;t sway me, but this does. Thios is actual supposition, which I like.

Vote RendeR


So nothing else convinces you, but Lathum's self stated OPINION, does? Why do you trust Lathum so much to take a chance on Killing a Good Role? Give us something to validate this vote with besides "I like Lathum!"

[Abe Sargent]

So nothing else convinces you, but Lathum's self stated OPINION, does? Why do you trust Lathum so much to take a chance on Killing a Good Role? Give us something to validate this vote with besides "I like Lathum!"

It's simple. I like to vote based on supposition, I need to beleive that there is a good in game reason for a person to behave in that way, and then I;m comfortabel vating that way.

Saying you might be an evil duke is one thing, but providing context to that by illustraing how your behavior fits that statement is somehtign else entirely, and more convincing for me.

Note my vote is very risky. If you turn up the duke, I will have been the third vote on you, so I am putting myself out there, but I like Lathum;s reasoning, so here goes.

[Abe Sargent]

I think as a villager, I;m comfortabe taking more risks than as a wolf.

[Abe Sargent]

Anybody else ever notice that about yourselves?

[RendeR]

BK's theory had no basis on my vote. I think I stated my point clearly.


The coin flip comment was an aside relating to the fact that you have a 50/50 choice of "renders a bad duke, render's a good duke" and you decided, "IMO" as you said, that I'm bad.

Now please, validate that vote, at least admit you're guessing because you have no evidence to back it up with.

I at least have stated exactly why I duked Chesapeake, I was wrong, indeed. He was not a wolf. Sucks to be me because I wasted a duking. But to continue coming after me for doing so seems IMO, to be a really bad play.

I'll add that the way you, BK and Anxiety are all hopping this train looks pretty poorly on all of you as well. If you Lynch me and I turn up as the Persuader that I AM, then the rest of the village best be hanging you three one right after another.

[Lathum]

So nothing else convinces you, but Lathum's self stated OPINION, does? Why do you trust Lathum so much to take a chance on Killing a Good Role? Give us something to validate this vote with besides "I like Lathum!"

actualy your role is now useless to us.

I think killing you makes the most sense since we will wonder weather we can trust you the rest of the game. Plus it eliminates the possibility of killing a usefull role.

[Abe Sargent]

The coin flip comment was an aside relating to the fact that you have a 50/50 choice of "renders a bad duke, render's a good duke" and you decided, "IMO" as you said, that I'm bad.

Now please, validate that vote, at least admit you're guessing because you have no evidence to back it up with.

I at least have stated exactly why I duked Chesapeake, I was wrong, indeed. He was not a wolf. Sucks to be me because I wasted a duking. But to continue coming after me for doing so seems IMO, to be a really bad play.

I'll add that the way you, BK and Anxiety are all hopping this train looks pretty poorly on all of you as well. If you Lynch me and I turn up as the Persuader that I AM, then the rest of the village best be hanging you three one right after another.


Virtually all votes are guesses.

[RendeR]

It's simple. I like to vote based on supposition, I need to beleive that there is a good in game reason for a person to behave in that way, and then I;m comfortabel vating that way.

Saying you might be an evil duke is one thing, but providing context to that by illustraing how your behavior fits that statement is somehtign else entirely, and more convincing for me.

Note my vote is very risky. If you turn up the duke, I will have been the third vote on you, so I am putting myself out there, but I like Lathum;s reasoning, so here goes.


What reasoning? His reasoning is no more convincing that my reasoning? Its a coin flip, as I stated. There is no reasoning there that makes more sense one way or the other, so you're not following reasoning, you're following Lathum. Why?

[ntndeacon]

I think it is interesting that we are going so heavily after someone very likely to be good. I think that is a very bad decision and will not follow that lead. None of these folks are high on my list at the moment. Three of them I trust more than the other, so that is where my vote will go.

Vote Path

I will be around in about 30 min to discuss this but it is time to go home. So I will deal with any questions about it then.

[RendeR]

actualy your role is now useless to us.

I think killing you makes the most sense since we will wonder weather we can trust you the rest of the game. Plus it eliminates the possibility of killing a usefull role.


My ability is gone but having a GOOD role alive and voting is not worthless in any way. Why are you after me so badly Lathum? Why does it make MORE sense that I'm bad than Good?

Why, if I'm bad, has the real Persuader NOT come out and outed me? Either way I die, the BG protects the real one and you all get a head start on winning this. Lynch me and you'll be proven 1 of two things, a bad playmaker or a wolf trying to lynch away a villager that can be trusted.

Lynching me is WIN WIN for the wolves. They get rid of a CoT player and they kill another villager.

[jeheinz72]

Anybody else ever notice that about yourselves?

I'd have to some day actually get to be a wolf to tell if it'd effect me or not. This is like my 6th or 7th game overall and still no wolf for me. I was almost the bodyguard once, but then cronin's game was reshuffled...

[path12]

Just got slammed with a project. Don't know how much I'll be around to defend myself, but you can count on a self-preservation from me, since I'm good and all.

[jeheinz72]

I'd have to agree, RendeR could be the beginning of a COT for us along with possible Claphamsa. Voting him off just seems silly to me. The numbers don't add up. The no-counter-reveal doesn't add up. The only one I could be persuaded to move to at this point would be path.

[RendeR]

I think as a villager, I;m comfortabe taking more risks than as a wolf.


Let me try turning your own reasoning back at you here:

If what you say is true and players take more risks as villagers than as wolves:

What seems more likely? That I took the big risk in duling to ches as a good duke or as a bad one? Using the ability like that is a huge risk for the bad duke because it does exactly what we see here, it gets people coming after him. So based on your own theory, it would have been utterly stupid of me to use the ability so early without knowing that my target was worthwile.

[Lathum]

My ability is gone but having a GOOD role alive and voting is not worthless in any way. Why are you after me so badly Lathum? Why does it make MORE sense that I'm bad than Good?

Why, if I'm bad, has the real Persuader NOT come out and outed me? Either way I die, the BG protects the real one and you all get a head start on winning this. Lynch me and you'll be proven 1 of two things, a bad playmaker or a wolf trying to lynch away a villager that can be trusted.

Lynching me is WIN WIN for the wolves. They get rid of a CoT player and they kill another villager.

you can never be in a COT unless you are scanned and come up good.

There may not be a persuader for one. For another you are getting heat now. If I was the persuader I would wait to see if you are going to be lynched before I unneccesaraly outed myself.

Not to mention IMO if someone came out as the real persuader we are all going to vote for them anyway and they would duke to you. So what's the point?

it seems like you are trying to bait someone into revealing something.

It is possible I am wrong but if I am so be it. You are essentialy dead weight at this point.

[Lathum]

I'd have to agree, RendeR could be the beginning of a COT for us along with possible Claphamsa. Voting him off just seems silly to me. The numbers don't add up. The no-counter-reveal doesn't add up. The only one I could be persuaded to move to at this point would be path.

there is no way I will trust Render unless the seer clears him

[PurdueBrad]

Here is the current vote tally (as of post 495):

Path12 (3)- Claphamsa (422), SnDvls (462), ntndeacon (489)
RendeR (3)- Barkeep49 (421), Lathum (465), Anxiety (476)
Barkeep49 (2)- Telle (455), jeheinz72 (479)
Lathum (1)- Passacaglia (453)

Not voted: Path12, RendeR

I'm now out for about two hours, have fun...

[RendeR]

there is no way I will trust Render unless the seer clears him


Explain this, You have NO real reason beyond a gut feeling here. you have a 0/50 shot at being right and I hate to break it to you, but yer wrong, again, about me.

Why do you always have a stick up the butt about me? You drive votes against me constantly, and you've never been right?

[claphamsa]

Anybody else ever notice that about yourselves?


ask me in a year! Ive never been a wolf :(

[RendeR]

*takes a breath* *sighs* anyway. Beyond lathum's personel death warrent for me, why are the rest of your voting for what is normally a trusted role? The simple possibility that there is an evil opposite? Or is there some real evidence?

Come on people, stop following Lathum's coattails like well beaten dogs. Give pepole some validation for taking out a good role villager!

If the seer scans me, how are they supposed to get that info to YOU Lathum? I'm all for it, but I want you to stop this attempt to OUT the seer by demanding that its the only way you'll trust me. Talk about wolfish. Others have bad vibes about you, but this really makes my skin crawl.