Werewolf LXI - Ocean's Eleven (GAME OVER, SEE PAGE 19 FOR RESULT.)

[Lathum]

unvote sndvls
vote path

just to be safe

[ntndeacon]

well somebody Do or say SOMETHING, gah.

I would but Kill Bill is on

[SnDvls]

unvote no lynch
vote path

[RendeR]

is that good enough for you?


No.

[SnDvls]

No.

why not?

[PurdueBrad]

Current vote tally (as of 755)-

Path12 (7)- Barkeep49 (659), ntndeacon (662), Telle (666), jeheinz72 (675), Anxiety (716), Lathum (751), SnDvls (753)
SnDvls (3)- RendeR (627), Claphamsa (698), Path12 (727)

[SnDvls]

should be an interesting night that is for sure

[PurdueBrad]

DEADLINE...write-up to come.

[Lathum]

OK, now that the deadline is here I can say Telle passed me an item. That elevates my trust in her and gives more credability to NTNs story.

I fully expect to be dead in 15 minutes

[claphamsa]

OK, now that the deadline is here I can say Telle passed me an item. That elevates my trust in her and gives more credability to NTNs story.

I fully expect to be dead in 15 minutes

well then i hope you passed the item on!

[RendeR]

I know why Telle passed the item to lathum, since I'm the one that gave it to her. Hope it works.

[Lathum]

well then i hope you passed the item on!

why would I do that when I can use it to defend against a potential night attack?

[PurdueBrad]

Ring...ring...ring...

The cellphones start to ring and God knows what favors St. Cronin had to trade to get another phone call from jail but here he is, Mr. Oceans himself.

"All right boys, we need to keep things going and keep making scores," he says.

"But are you sure we should try," asks SnDvls.

"Can or cannot," Cronin responds, "there is no try." Cronin follows this famous film dialogue with a strange laugh.

Why quote Star Wars? And then you look out the van's windows and see just what Cronin is thinking...

[claphamsa]

why would I do that when I can use it to defend against a potential night attack?


didnt say it was a defensive item :)

[RendeR]

I hate waiting

[ntndeacon]

hums a jaunty Sea shanty while we wait

[SnDvls]

hums a jaunty Sea shanty while we wait

sorry not good enough try again :D

[ntndeacon]

I hate waiting

for some reason I immediately saw Render using an accent to say this like Princess Bride

[PurdueBrad]

THE RIVIERA

It's the keynote night of the annual Star Wars convention and there must be ten thousand people in costume milling around The Riv's casino floor.

Anxiety, jeheinz72, RendeR, Lathum, and Telle take rented costumes out of the van and get ready to knock off the third casino on the list.

Anxiety, dressed as Chewbacca, leads the stormtrooper dressed jeheinz72 and RendeR into the casino in a scene much reminiscent of Han and Luke escorting Chewy to the prison level in A New Hope.

Lathum has convinced Telle to dress like Leia, but he couldn't get her into the metal bikini. Instead it is the plain white gown with cinnamon bun hair. Lathum, claiming to be a tough guy, dresses like bounty hunter Boba Fett.

The rest of the team fans out in the casino to give support if problems arise.

Anxiety's trio approaches the casino security office, ready to take control. Telle prepares her best drunken distraction near the Keno room to draw security out. And best of all, Lathum's prop gun has been replaced by modified welding torch, just enough to start a decent little fire by the card tables.

Anxiety throws his arms up, shoves the stormtroopers in mock fight and out of the office pours security. A la the keystone cops though, a carefully placed wire brings all four guards to the floor. And with that, the crew has control of the security room.

Telle takes her cue, leaps up on a stool and announces to the crowd of Star Wars fans: "Luke Skywalker's a girl, Han's a wimp, I'll take Captain Kirk any day. Hell, Sulu is more of a man than anyone from Star Wars." The nerds, shocked by this attack, swarm towards Telle.

Lathum starts a fire, bringing true chaos to the casino floor and, like some warped acid-trip, thousands of stormtroopers, Jedis, and Darth Vaders flood the Vegas strip.

The team jumps into action and easily knocks off the vault. However, before all the bags can be removed, someone trips the robbery alarm.

Who did it?!?

The team decides it must be SnDvls and leaves him behind, a note for Terry Benedict that reads: Return to sender.

SnDvls was just Virgil Malloy.


Oh, yeah, a wolf.

[SnDvls]

okay which one of you took out the GM? come on fess up

[Lathum]

so, ummm.

was it duked to sndvls?

[RendeR]

Umm...SnDvls? Shouldn't that be Path? Or did somethng truly fucked up just occur?

[Telle]

Yeah.. didn't we vote for path???

[ntndeacon]

SnDvls? looking forward to this story

[PurdueBrad]

The police react quickly but somewhere, amongst the sea of sci-fi nerds, a potential hero emerges. As the team sprints out of the casino, bags of millions in tow, a twenty-one year old, pimple-faced fan sees the escape, sticks out his plastic light saber and trips Barkeep. He tries to scramble to his feet but somebody knocks him out, somebody that can hit harder than the twenty-one year old nerd and the wolves have struck again.

But that doesn't stop you from celebrating the score of $33 million in cash.

Begin day five...

[RendeR]

Mass confusion, anarchy in the streets, cats and dogs living TOGETHER, real fire and brimstone stuf here.....

[claphamsa]

woo hoo a wolf!

[PurdueBrad]

Your reveals triggered the random result, moving from the revealer to sndvls

[Lathum]

ok, well I am alive still.

so about sndvls?

[Telle]

Ok, so ntn.. what did you learn from your scan?

[claphamsa]

The police react quickly but somewhere, amongst the sea of sci-fi nerds, a potential hero emerges. As the team sprints out of the casino, bags of millions in tow, a twenty-one year old, pimple-faced fan sees the escape, sticks out his plastic light saber and trips Barkeep. He tries to scramble to his feet but somebody knocks him out, somebody that can hit harder than the twenty-one year old nerd and the wolves have struck again.

But that doesn't stop you from celebrating the score of $33 million in cash.

Begin day five...


does this mean I have to accept that BK was a good guy? sob!

[Lathum]

Your reveals triggered the random result, moving from the revealer to sndvls

does this Path was telling the truth?

[RendeR]

Great so we spend another day trying to lynch Path? or do we ignore him and try cutting down the last wolf(ves)?

[PurdueBrad]

BUT WAIT!!!!

CLAPHAMSA SEES BARKEEP'S NEAR DEMISE, STEPS IN, GRABS HIM BY THE COLLAR AND CARRIES HIM OUT! There is your heroic action...

And Barkeep survives one more day with no night kill by the wolves.

[RendeR]

I'm out, back later or tomorrow.

[RendeR]

Rut Ruh Fuck Raggy.....

[Lathum]

well thats good news

[Lathum]

Well I guess we need to hear from Path and NTN before we do anything else

[ntndeacon]

woohoo! nicely done clap!

[SnDvls]

damn...good game PB

I'll be following along

[path12]

does this Path was telling the truth?

I'm as surprised as anyone to be here. But YES GODDAMNIT, I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH!






:)

[claphamsa]

BUT WAIT!!!!

CLAPHAMSA SEES BARKEEP'S NEAR DEMISE, STEPS IN, GRABS HIM BY THE COLLAR AND CARRIES HIM OUT! There is your heroic action...

And Barkeep survives one more day with no night kill by the wolves.



um...... Ok im really lost now!

[PurdueBrad]

Crew, congratulations, you currently have knocked off three casinos, two to go...

But you still face Benedict and his wolves. Can you take them out?

[path12]

um...... Ok im really lost now!

Did you not make an action or anything?

[ntndeacon]

I'm as surprised as anyone to be here. But YES GODDAMNIT, I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH!






:)

I guess we will find out tomorrow. I already said Idid not look at you today.

[Telle]

I guess we will find out tomorrow. I already said Idid not look at you today.

So who DID you look at and what was the result??

[path12]

I guess we will find out tomorrow. I already said Idid not look at you today.

I hope you do tonight so we can get this cleared up.

[ntndeacon]

So who DID you look at and what was the result??

I was hoping path would reveal first.

[Telle]

I was hoping path would reveal first.

Ahh.. ok. So, path???

[Barkeep49]

What a waste of a day.

vote path

[claphamsa]

Did you not make an action or anything?

my action hasnt changed since day 1. If i get hit I wanna take BK with me. and the fact that I kept staying alive when for the wolves it would have beena 2 for one kill made me sure that he was bad! maybe im the delusional vetran.

[claphamsa]

you know heinze really hasnt said anything at all.... and thats not like him! just saying :)

[Lathum]

What a waste of a day.

vote path

we got a wolf and didn't lose anyone at night.

I wouldn't call it a waste

[ntndeacon]

my action hasnt changed since day 1. If i get hit I wanna take BK with me. and the fact that I kept staying alive when for the wolves it would have beena 2 for one kill made me sure that he was bad! maybe im the delusional vetran.

You are. BK is good. you might wanna change that action then.

[path12]

I was hoping path would reveal first.

Sure. Jeheinz -- villager. You?

[Lathum]

so guys. what happened with the scans?

[ntndeacon]

I agree Lathum. We got things going in our direction.

[Barkeep49]

my action hasnt changed since day 1. If i get hit I wanna take BK with me. and the fact that I kept staying alive when for the wolves it would have beena 2 for one kill made me sure that he was bad! maybe im the delusional vetran.
So you think NTN is bad then?

[ntndeacon]

Anxiety wolf

[ntndeacon]

Vote Anxiety

[Telle]

Good enough for me.

VOTE ANXIETY

[Lathum]

works for me.

VOTE ANXIETY

[claphamsa]

vote anxiety

[Barkeep49]

Nice job NTN.

unvote path
Vote Anxiety

What's the schedule for weekend play? I'd like to get this sucker over.

[Telle]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[path12]

What a waste of a day.

vote path

Sigh. Are we going to really go through this again today? Ntn already said he would scan me tonight.

[path12]

Spoke too soon.

VOTE ANXIETY

[PurdueBrad]

Two quick announcements:

1- Weekend play, I can do it however your schedules work. If you want Saturday night, Sunday night, we can do it. If you want just Sunday night, that works. If you want to put off till Monday, same thing.

2- Personal observation/apology/explanation: I had several various places where random results could be triggered just so that IF they were hit, they could add some spice. You guys continue to not just hit those triggers but random.org continues to hit on some of the lowest percentage/craziest possibilities which explains some of the twists you're seeing. I envisioned you guys hitting just two triggers during the game and maybe getting one of the crazier results. Instead, you've hit several triggers and nearly every time it's been one of the weirder results so my apologies for that roller-coaster nature (wasn't quite my vision).

[claphamsa]

Two quick announcements:

1- Weekend play, I can do it however your schedules work. If you want Saturday night, Sunday night, we can do it. If you want just Sunday night, that works. If you want to put off till Monday, same thing.

2- Personal observation/apology/explanation: I had several various places where random results could be triggered just so that IF they were hit, they could add some spice. You guys continue to not just hit those triggers but random.org continues to hit on some of the lowest percentage/craziest possibilities which explains some of the twists you're seeing. I envisioned you guys hitting just two triggers during the game and maybe getting one of the crazier results. Instead, you've hit several triggers and nearly every time it's been one of the weirder results so my apologies for that roller-coaster nature (wasn't quite my vision).'


well at least there was a plan....

[PurdueBrad]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

And yes, vote nightfall can be in play here. I would like to get at least seven votes for nightfall to make it pass. If I get those, I will post results early tomorrow morning (approximately 6:30 am CST) and stay on track for a 9 pm CST deadline that night for more actions.

[ntndeacon]

1. I am fine with anything.

2. You don't have to apologize to us at all. I can only speak for myself, but this game is a confusing blast! Keep up the twists. :)

[Lathum]

I think we need to give Anxiety at least a chance to check in befre we vote nightfall

[ntndeacon]

Vote Nightfall

[claphamsa]

So assuming we trust both ntn and path, that means the last wolf (maybe) is.... everyone has been eliminated somewhere or another :(

[ntndeacon]

you have a point Lathum. I know I would be pissed without a chance at least to muddy the water.

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Nightfall

[PurdueBrad]

I think we need to give Anxiety at least a chance to check in befre we vote nightfall

Agreed Lathum, and I believe he's been checking in over night, although I might be wrong.

If he hasn't checked in by tomorrow morning, that would be the one thing I would consider as maintaining the nighttime deadline so that he has an opportunity to defend himself.

[RendeR]

Vote Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

I'm not dumb, and I'm not hoopsguy. There is literally nothing I can say to help me. You have a likely seer pegging me and I'm not on any lists. I'm not stupid.

However, you will surprised by what happens at deadline, and then you will have to re-evaluate some of your previous assumptions.

Vote Nightfall

Let's get this over with

[ntndeacon]

Vote Nightfall

[Lathum]

I am all for nightfall so we can run the day cycle but I think we need to make sure people get ample time to get their night actions in

[Lathum]

vote nightfall

[ntndeacon]

got mine in Lathum

[claphamsa]

hwo many votes we got for nightfall? Its kinda crappy to do it, becasue we have a coiple people who can only check from work. and Ineed to figure out who really si the 3rd bad guy? any ideas?

[Lathum]

Jheinze seems the logical choice

[ntndeacon]

hwo many votes we got for nightfall? Its kinda crappy to do it, becasue we have a coiple people who can only check from work. and Ineed to figure out who really si the 3rd bad guy? any ideas?

I am assuming path, til proven differently.

[ntndeacon]

hwo many votes we got for nightfall? Its kinda crappy to do it, becasue we have a coiple people who can only check from work. and Ineed to figure out who really si the 3rd bad guy? any ideas?

we have 4 nightfall votes

[hoopsguy]

I'm not dumb, and I'm not hoopsguy.

Hmm, I've been thinking about a new signature ...

[Chief Rum]

Vote Nightfall

[PurdueBrad]

we have 4 nightfall votes


Hey guys, looks like no nightfall yet. I'll back it up to noonish CST (my planning time at work) if you wish to see if you get enough votes and to see if Abe checks in. Otherwise we'll be back to the 9 pm CST deadline.

[jeheinz72]

Vote Anxiety
Vote Nightfall

[jeheinz72]

you know heinze really hasnt said anything at all.... and thats not like him! just saying :)

Huh? I've made it pretty clear here (and in every game I've played) that I'm on until 3 PM PST and then not on again until I got to work at 6 AM PST. I think I've actually been pretty chatty over the last couple days and I'm actually not the living person with the least posts in the thread (that's Telle, and Anxiety has 3 more than me)

[jeheinz72]

Sure. Jeheinz -- villager. You?

So it looks like we do have 2 seers, good scan Path.

[jeheinz72]

Jheinze seems the logical choice

Why's that? I was just cleared by a probable/possible seer. I'm Saul Bloom, simple villager.

[jeheinz72]

Quintola!

Regarding weekend, I'm not going to be around. It's Christmas Tree weekend and we're doing all the shopping and stuff for the kids. I'll be on until 3 PM PST today, and then back Monday AM.

[claphamsa]

vote anxiety
vote nightfall

[claphamsa]

Im really not happy with who i picked for my retribution kill, then again, im sure they wont eat me tongiht anywyas :) anone has any suggestios let me know.

ddo we have any idea how many bad guys there are? 3 wolves seems likeely, but..... there could be 2 and a rogue at which point anxiety is the only one left.......

[Lathum]

I think we need to look at Path next, that would answer any questions about who he scanned

[claphamsa]

hello? is this thing on? dont make me do work here people!!!!

[RendeR]

*cracks a whip over clam's desk*


Back to work you smarmy excuse for an employee!



*grin*

[Lathum]

can we just nightfall already

[jeheinz72]

can we just nightfall already

I'm with you on that.

Why again would I be the logical choice for 3rd wolf? I've voted for Anxiety twice I think (if we're going on the almost certain supposition he'll come up wolf at nightfall) and I was on SnDvls until Path did the reveal tango.

[RendeR]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[ntndeacon]

I'm with you on that.

Why again would I be the logical choice for 3rd wolf? I've voted for Anxiety twice I think (if we're going on the almost certain supposition he'll come up wolf at nightfall) and I was on SnDvls until Path did the reveal tango.

I for one don't think you are a 3rd wolf. possibly a convert.

[claphamsa]

*cracks a whip over clam's desk*


Back to work you smarmy excuse for an employee!



*grin*

just had some of that! and where did the clam thing come from? :P

And in a way I am your emplyee :)

I need a raise boss.

[claphamsa]

I'm with you on that.

Why again would I be the logical choice for 3rd wolf? I've voted for Anxiety twice I think (if we're going on the almost certain supposition he'll come up wolf at nightfall) and I was on SnDvls until Path did the reveal tango.

I think everyone has been figured out at this point, so Im baffled if there are more than 2 wolfs!

[Lathum]

Someone tell me why Jheinze has been figured out?

[Lathum]

dola- I think there are 3 wolves. If not that means Path is telling the truth and this game would be pretty imbalanced.

BTW path, who did you scan last night?

[claphamsa]

dola- I think there are 3 wolves. If not that means Path is telling the truth and this game would be pretty imbalanced.

BTW path, who did you scan last night?

Without lookign back I think path scanned heinz and he came upa vialger. and there was the rogue too, so its possible there were 2 wolves and the rogue.

[Lathum]

Well, I don't know if you are a wolf claiming arrogant seer, but you are absolutely lying if you claim there is only one........because I am the seer, and I have not been told anything about whether or not there is another.

My scans so far:

Night 1: Chief Rum, rogue. He is always someone I want to verify as soon as possible.
Night 2: claphamsa, villager. I was really thinking he was bad (hence my vote). I was wrong.
Night 3: Render, villager. Since he was the other candidate yesterday besides myself I figured he needed to be checked.
So there we have it. I know that ntn has lied about one thing in particular, so that's enough for my vote right now:

VOTE NTNDEACON

no Jheinze here

[jeheinz72]

no Jheinze here

He scanned me last night, Night 4. He posted it here:

Sure. Jeheinz -- villager. You?

[claphamsa]

Sure. Jeheinz -- villager. You?

post #805

[Barkeep49]

I think we're forgetting the no kill on night 1. If they had a persuasive wolf they could have converted someone at that point. So two starting wolves plus a convert.

[claphamsa]

I think we're forgetting the no kill on night 1. If they had a persuasive wolf they could have converted someone at that point. So two starting wolves plus a convert.

Possioble, but.... who would the convert be? heinze was just cleared. unless both path and heinze are wolves.

[Barkeep49]

Possioble, but.... who would the convert be? heinze was just cleared. unless both path and heinze are wolves.
Good point. It would have to be somebody who started off with a role but was then converted, meaning you, Render, or Lathum. Render is unlikely at this point because he used his power after Day 1. I'm not ready to go down that road quite yet as it seems less likely than the idea that we kill Anxiety and path and are done with the game.

[Lathum]

OK, I missed Path's scan.

Are we gonna lynch Anxiety or what?

[PurdueBrad]

Sorry guys, bad day at work (Huck Finn is being challenged for appropriateness as a teaching tool). Anyway, we'll go nightfall here because we've got the votes. Writeup coming...

[Lathum]

Sorry guys, bad day at work (Huck Finn is being challenged for appropriateness as a teaching tool). Anyway, we'll go nightfall here because we've got the votes. Writeup coming...
Just ass Harry Potter to the reading list.

[ntndeacon]

Sorry guys, bad day at work (Huck Finn is being challenged for appropriateness as a teaching tool). Anyway, we'll go nightfall here because we've got the votes. Writeup coming...

ugh that does sound like a rough day.

[Lathum]

Just ass Harry Potter to the reading list.

I mean ask

[Alan T]

I mean ask


sure you did.. suuuure

[PurdueBrad]

"Boys, get over to the Sahara immediately," yells an anxious and excited St. Cronin into the phone. (How is he getting all this phone access anyway?)

Apparently, Cronin has some inside information that says the casino is vulnerable in twenty minutes do to a daily shift change. All the guards go off at the same time and, because Benedict is cheap and is trying to avoid overtime, nobody comes on for half an hour.

So you throw together the best Egyptian costumes you can, using mop heads for hair and upside down trashcans for fezes. You look like a group of janitors re-enacting the Bangles' "Walk Like an Egyptian" video.

Path, RendeR, ntndeacon, Telle, and jeheinz72 volunteer to lead the way. Stopping off at a zoo on the way to the casino, you heist two camels.

"What are we going to do with camels," Lathum asks.

"I don't know," Path responds, "I just thought they would be cool to have."

Well, the stop off at the zoo costs you some time but you still make it before shift change. But, as you attempt to enter the casino, you see an entire cadre of guards near each of the cash boxes. What happened, did somebody spill your plan?

You look at one another and decide it must be Anxiety. You grab him, tie a rope around one leg and attach the other end of the rope to the back leg of one of the camels. Telle fires a shot in the air and the camel takes off running...BUT as it pulls away, Anxiety's hand shoots out, takes hold of ntnDeacon's leg and he too is dragged into Vegas strip traffic, only to make the nightly news and have both be arrested for disturbing the public.

Anxiety was Linus Caldwell, BRUTAL WOLF

ntndeacon was Rusty Ryan, arrogant seer turned seer.

Night actions coming...

[Barkeep49]

That's unfortunate and somewhat unexpected. I really could buy Lathum's theory that path was the brutal.

[PurdueBrad]

Down goes the brutal wolf, but you return to your hotel with no more money and one less villager. After a couple days of success and hope, Benedict and his goons have been able to thwart you. You're down, but not quite out. Can anything else go wrong?

RendeR, Telle, and jeheinz72 decide they need a drink to cope. Telle volunteers to get the booze, jeheinz72 the broads, leaving RendeR the easiest job, the ice.

Telle returns first, carrying jug vodka and whiskey.

"We've got nearly $100 million and you buy plastic bottle grocery-store brand booze?!? Good God," Clap complains.

jeheinz72 returns with some, well, I guess we'll call them women.

"The camels were more attractive," says Barkeep49.

And then a knock on the door, must be RendeR...

But no, a full bucket with a note attached:

RendeR has been put on ice. He was Yen, the persuader.

Begin night six, still 9 pm deadline.

[jeheinz72]

I'm married, why the hell did you guys put me in charge of the women? Sheesh.

[Barkeep49]

I object to the 9PM deadline.

[PurdueBrad]

I object to the 9PM deadline.

What can I do for you Barkeep, earlier, later?

[claphamsa]

So we lost, Render, Anxiety (wolf), and NTn seer.

THat leaves
me - Vetran
Heinze
Path- maybe Seer
BK
Lathum- BG
Telle



did i miss anythign?

[claphamsa]

So we lost, Render, Anxiety (wolf), and NTn seer.

THat leaves
me - Vetran
Heinze - Cleared by path
Path- maybe Seer
BK- cleared by NTN
Lathum- BG
Telle - cleared by NTN



did i miss anythign?

[jeheinz72]

Barkeep49 - Cleared by NTN
Claphamsa - Claims to be Veteran right also cleared by Path
jeheinz72 - Cleared by Path
Telle - Cleared by NTN
Path12 - Claims to be Seer
Lathum - Claims to be the BG

I'm willing to forgo that NTN was correct all along, crossing off Telle and BK. I know I'm a simple villager, so I'm clearing myself (and realistically even if you don't believe path on me, it makes more sense to vote him off first anyhow).

So that leaves Path, who I trust inherently since he was correct on me. That also extends a bit to Claphamsa who was cleared as I was and has the uncountered Veteran claim.

That leaves me with Lathum. It'd be ballsy to counter-claim the BG, no doubt, but not out of the question. I mean after all, we have no idea if he's actually protecting anyone. There is the question of Night One. Something happened there. Could Lathum have blocked the kill and in doing so got himself converted?

Lathum, I'd like to know who you've protected these last two (or three) nights and why, *including* your "secret" night 3 protection.

[Passacaglia]

I mean ask

Weird, I thought you meant add.

[Barkeep49]

What can I do for you Barkeep, earlier, later?
My concern is that we won't give everyone a chance to be around. If people are all available I'm all for the 9 PM deadline. Otherwise I'd suggest a mid morning deadline tomorrow with a Sunday night deadline. But it looks like everyone might be around between now and lynch, looking over who is still in the game.

[jeheinz72]

Persuasive Wolf: You function as a regular wolf, although, at random, rather than kill your prey, your powers of persuasion bring them to the wolves' side. You will not be aware of this role until the action actually occurs. Otherwise, you will believe that you are a standard wolf.

The Bodyguard: Each night, you can use your power to protect another player. However, you cannot protect the same player two nights in a row. Furthermore, being the selfless person that you are, you cannot protect yourself either.

Ok, so the BK can't protect himself, and the Persuasive wolf doesn't know he's one. What if, they went after Lathum and killed him and the persuasion factor hit. Lathum becomes a wolf, but also now knows that there's no other BG in the game, so he can reveal as it without worry that it's going to be countered. The one issue I see on this would be SnDvls (since Anxiety was the Brutal) wasn't revealed as the Pesuasive, but it's not a stretch to think we wouldn't get that info.

Vote Lathum

[jeheinz72]

That should say BG not BG in paragraph 3.

[ntndeacon]

Well good luck, village. I hope Ihave put you in a good position to win. Beat the pants of off Terry Benedict's crew!

[Lathum]

JHeinze, trusting Path because he was right about you would be a huge mistake on your part.

If he was a wolf of course he would be right about you since he would know you are not a wolf.

[Barkeep49]

jeheinz it does seem, if there is one, that lathum is the most likely convert for the reasons you point out (lack of self protection being the big one). However, why lathum over path?

And lathum: Who did you protect nights 3 and 4? I'm sort of amazed, frankly, that you revealed as BG 3 days ago and are still alive with the inability to protect yourself.

[PurdueBrad]

My concern is that we won't give everyone a chance to be around. If people are all available I'm all for the 9 PM deadline. Otherwise I'd suggest a mid morning deadline tomorrow with a Sunday night deadline. But it looks like everyone might be around between now and lynch, looking over who is still in the game.

Agreed, what I'll do is monitor votes and PM'ed actions. If it looks like someone has not gotten in, we'll follow your suggestion. If everyone makes it, we'll work with tonight and go from there. Apperciate the advice!

[Lathum]

Weird, I thought you meant add.

yeah, add

[Lathum]

BK, I am just as amazed as you are about it.

who I protected in what order

Night 1- Jheinz
Night 2- Barkeep
Night 3- Anxiety
Night 4- NTNDeacon

I won't say who I protected last night.

The only explination I can come up with why I wasn't attatcked was the wolves assumed I had been passed an item.

[jeheinz72]

jeheinz it does seem, if there is one, that lathum is the most likely convert for the reasons you point out (lack of self protection being the big one). However, why lathum over path?

And lathum: Who did you protect nights 3 and 4? I'm sort of amazed, frankly, that you revealed as BG 3 days ago and are still alive with the inability to protect yourself.

Well I believe Path mainly because he was right on me. Even Lathum in the past has admitted that he thinks there is 2 seers due to the conversion of the arrogant. Also, I'd bet converting that arrogant was a low% hit, and it'd be pretty bad if we didn't get a Seer at all. So my hunch is we do have two of them, the only slightly inaccurate information that either has provided was path's scan of CR.

I also do find it amazing that without being able to protect himself he's still alive. I think it's actually only been 2 days, but one would think that any wolf worth his salt would kill Lathum (whose power is still useable) instead of RendeR (whose power isn't anymore, and was also causing doubt in the votes a bit)

[jeheinz72]

JHeinze, trusting Path because he was right about you would be a huge mistake on your part.

If he was a wolf of course he would be right about you since he would know you are not a wolf.

Even you have said there are likely 2 seers due to the conversion, right? Do you now dispute this fact conveniently since you're under scrutiny?

[jeheinz72]

BK, I am just as amazed as you are about it.

who I protected in what order

Night 1- Jheinz
Night 2- Barkeep
Night 3- Anxiety
Night 4- NTNDeacon

I won't say who I protected last night.

The only explination I can come up with why I wasn't attatcked was the wolves assumed I had been passed an item.

Ok, why on Anxiety (who was getting flack) and NTN (who to that point hadn't revealed). Those (along with my name on Day One) seem rather random and frankly, made up.

[Lathum]

Dola- Revealing when I did would make no sense as a wolf.

VOTE PATH

He "cleared" all the people who had already revealed, then "cleared" Jheinz and left him alove last night on purpose because

1. People were somewhat suspiscous of him.
2. Path was trying to gain some level of trust.

[jeheinz72]

Dola- Revealing when I did would make no sense as a wolf.



Sure it did if you were converted. You'd know there was no other BG (or at least it was a very very very small chance) so you might as well get that info out there and hop in the COT while there is still time

[Lathum]

Ok, why on Anxiety (who was getting flack) and NTN (who to that point hadn't revealed). Those (along with my name on Day One) seem rather random and frankly, made up.

Actualy NTN had revealed when I protected him.

I protected anxiety because I was suspiscous of him and I was told by PerdueBrad that if I protected the wolf who was going to perform the night kill I mat discover their identity.

[jeheinz72]

Actualy NTN had revealed when I protected him.



You're right on that, dang 2-cycles in 24 hours got me there. I still think that's pretty easy to make up after the fact. It's not hard to just say you protected the "most valuable" person who wasn't killed that night.

[Lathum]

Sure it did if you were converted. You'd know there was no other BG (or at least it was a very very very small chance) so you might as well get that info out there and hop in the COT while there is still time

well I would have to have been converted night 1.

and how would I have known there was no bodyguard?

[Lathum]

JHeinze, the fact that you trust Path makes me think you are in league with him.

How can you possibly trust him based on the fact he claims to have scanned you?

[jeheinz72]

well I would have to have been converted night 1.

and how would I have known there was no bodyguard?

Because you were the Bodyguard. So you'd know since you were converted from it to Wolf.

[jeheinz72]

JHeinze, the fact that you trust Path makes me think you are in league with him.

How can you possibly trust him based on the fact he claims to have scanned you?

So you're saying in a game of 14 players we started with 3 wolves and a rogue and had a conversion? That seems like a leap. There is only one bad guy left.

I'm fine if you think it's me, it's not by the by, but don't think it's me because I believe Path, that's just wholly implausible.

[Lathum]

So you're saying in a game of 14 players we started with 3 wolves and a rogue and had a conversion? That seems like a leap. There is only one bad guy left.

I'm fine if you think it's me, it's not by the by, but don't think it's me because I believe Path, that's just wholly implausible.

If there is only 1 bad guy left there is no way it is you because that would mean Path is telling the truth about being a seer.

I find it unlikely there are 2 bad guys left but it is possible, especially considering there are items, etc... that could balance things out.

I find it far more likely Path is the lone bad guy.

[Lathum]

Clap- I see you hanging around.

What do you think?

[jeheinz72]

If there is only 1 bad guy left there is no way it is you because that would mean Path is telling the truth about being a seer.

I find it unlikely there are 2 bad guys left but it is possible, especially considering there are items, etc... that could balance things out.

I find it far more likely Path is the lone bad guy.

So if Path is the lone bad guy, what happened on night one do you think? Something surely happened, and I know you don't think you blocked a kill. You yourself said you basically picked me because I wasn't as well-known.

[Lathum]

So if Path is the lone bad guy, what happened on night one do you think? Something surely happened, and I know you don't think you blocked a kill. You yourself said you basically picked me because I wasn't as well-known.

nope, no blocked kill.

But I don't understand your question...

Are you saying you think we started with 2 wolves and there was a night 1 conversion?

[jeheinz72]

nope, no blocked kill.

But I don't understand your question...

Are you saying you think we started with 2 wolves and there was a night 1 conversion?

Yes. We started with 2 wolves plus the rogue (who had the option of joining the wolves after the 2nd night). I think 3 + rogue would be a far too imbalanced game.

[claphamsa]

Clap- I see you hanging around.

What do you think?

I wasnt hanging around, just working :)

My moneys on path, although Heinz seems kinda sketchy to me this game. If I had to bet I would be that path is a wolf, and he knew heinz was good cuz he knows all the wolfses/

[jeheinz72]

I wasnt hanging around, just working :)

My moneys on path, although Heinz seems kinda sketchy to me this game. If I had to bet I would be that path is a wolf, and he knew heinz was good cuz he knows all the wolfses/

But what would be a wolves motivation for clearing someone on the outside of the COT? By doing so, path is almost inviting more speculation onto himself.

[Barkeep49]

The big question for the day is whether I believe we'd have started off with only the arrogant seer. If so we got REALLY lucky that ntn became a normal seer. Is the balance, from what we know, such that it would make sense to only have that role? That's the question I'm struggling with, aided on by jh's somewhat haunting question about what happened night 1 and the possibility of a conversion.

The other question to consider is would we have learned if a converted wolf died? Judging from the death reveal of NTN, I would have to say "Yes". So I think we can rule out hte idea that sndvls or Anxiety was the convert.

[Lathum]

But what would be a wolves motivation for clearing someone on the outside of the COT? By doing so, path is almost inviting more speculation onto himself.

Well here is the thing, there are 6 players left. If we count Render who was lynched last night Path had 6 candidates to choose from to scan.

Lathum
Jheinze
Claphamsa
Render
Telle
Barkeep

Now of the people on that list he can't it would look suspiscous if he scanned Barkeep and Telle because they were already cleared by NTNDeacon

that leaves

JHeinze
Claphamsa
Render
Lathum

Now they knew they were going to kill Render last night so Path can't claim to have scanned him because it would have been to convienient that the person he scanned was killed.


that leaves

Jheinze
Claphamsa
Lathum

Lathum and Claphasma have both revealed pro villager roles that have not been countered so why would Path scan one of them.

that leaves

JHeinze

Path is a smart player. He knows that he had to claim he scanned you since you are the only "unknown" left in the game.


He also knows as the last wolf he can't just come out and say " I scanned JHeinze and he's a wolf" because then he would be busted once you were lynched and came up good.

Path made the only move he could to not blow his cover, now he needs to try and gain some trust and you are making a mistake giving it to him.

[Lathum]

dola- If you are talking about conversions it is just as likely for me ( the BG) to be converted as it is for Path to have been converted.

[jeheinz72]

If Path got converted though it doesn't add up to me that he'd also then reveal he was the Seer later in the game (much less reveal as the 2nd one). That seems like a high-risk / low-reward play. He didn't even have a vote on him when he did (It was all 5 for SnDvls).

[PurdueBrad]

Current tally as of post 912-

Lathum (1)- jeheinz72(883)
Path12 (1)- Lathum (894)

Still to vote: Barkeep49, Claphamsa, Telle, Path 12 (damn, I had to go back three times, small list!)

[Abe Sargent]

Good morning again. Thanks all for the game!

Sucks to be a wolf the very game after you ran the distance as a wolf, but them's the breaks in WW. You folks have a good one!

[path12]

Ah, Lathum. Sneaky, sneaky Lathum. They got you night 1, I suppose? Because you were my view last night, and you, my friend, are a wolf.

VOTE LATHUM

[claphamsa]

Ah, Lathum. Sneaky, sneaky Lathum. They got you night 1, I suppose? Because you were my view last night, and you, my friend, are a wolf.

VOTE LATHUM


didnt you say last night you saw heinz?

[claphamsa]

So basically at this point we have to pick between latham and path, and i really doesnt matter whoch one it is because well just get the other the next night!

vote path

[Lathum]

Desperation move on Paths part but nice try.

[jeheinz72]

Desperation move on Paths part but nice try.

How so? He had to scan someone last night, right?

[Lathum]

How so? He had to scan someone last night, right?

Of course he had to, assuming he is telling the truth about being a seer.

Which he is not.

Look back at who he claims to have scanned, not one of those scans were even remotly helpfull to us. Throw in the fact that he claims to have learned who the rogue was night one when the rules specificly state that can't happen should be plenty of evidence.

My guess is there was some random mechanism that if the seer scans the rogue they get converted and the arrogant seer gains power to balance things out.

[Lathum]

By the way, my concern is that JHeinz could be the amature so if I get lynched Path could convert him tonight.

[jeheinz72]

By the way, my concern is that JHeinz could be the amature so if I get lynched Path could convert him tonight.

Now that smells of desperation.

[Lathum]

Now that smells of desperation.

anytime someone sides with the person who is obviously a wolf that is going to concern me.

I am just stating a possibility. I can point out a number of examples of why I'm not a wolf, not the least of which is I revealed when there was no reason to and my reveal is what allowed us to set up our initial COT.

[Lathum]

And now I am out, we are going to happy hour and a movie. I may be back later in case I need to defend myself.

[jeheinz72]

anytime someone sides with the person who is obviously a wolf that is going to concern me.

I am just stating a possibility. I can point out a number of examples of why I'm not a wolf, not the least of which is I revealed when there was no reason to and my reveal is what allowed us to set up our initial COT.

1. I'm not of the ilk that Path is a wolf

2. Please do tell the examples

3. I'd debate you didn't need to reveal, and only could because you knew it wouldn't/couldn't be countered

4. How did your reveal setup the COT again? No one was added to it based on anything you did. All it did was attempt to put yourself into it.

[PurdueBrad]

Current tally as of post 925-

Lathum (1)- jeheinz72(883), Path12 (915)
Path12 (1)- Lathum (894), Claphamsa (917)

Still to vote: Barkeep49, Telle

[Barkeep49]

I'm quite undecided about who to vote for. I'm going out shortly and will be back later. I think I will place my vote with whoever Telle goes for to avoid any ties or last minute shenanigans.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA - Still thinking about everything though.

[path12]

didnt you say last night you saw heinz?

No, I saw heinz the night before (night 4). We just had night 5 with the early deadline.

[path12]

Desperation move on Paths part but nice try.

Au contraire, my hairy friend, but there is no reason for our esteemed GM to lie to me. Somehow over this game, you've become a wolf. I'm guessing night 1 and you came out as the bodyguard after that in order to gain trust, which worked for the most part until now.

Funny how none of the people you guarded were never attacked.......

[path12]

Now that smells of desperation.

Yep. Lathum always goes down with a fight.

[path12]

I can point out a number of examples of why I'm not a wolf, not the least of which is I revealed when there was no reason to and my reveal is what allowed us to set up our initial COT.

And what better place for a converted bodyguard/wolf to hide but to reveal and place himself in the initial COT?

[jeheinz72]

Yep. Lathum always goes down with a fight.

Indeed. Frankly though, I'm with clap, it doesn't really matter. The only difference for me if you're the wolf and not him is that I won't have been correct. :)

Either way, presuming 1 wolf left, I can't see how the end game works out in a victory for them if it's either of you two.

[path12]

So basically at this point we have to pick between latham and path, and i really doesnt matter whoch one it is because well just get the other the next night!

vote path

Clap, rather than lynch the seer, why don't you vote Lathum and let me prove that I'm right? If I'm wrong, you can always get me tomorrow, but if you lynch me tonight you've lost the only person left who can find a convert.

[path12]

Look back at who he claims to have scanned, not one of those scans were even remotly helpfull to us.

This is a really poor argument for two reasons:

1) I just found a wolf last night. You. I also have cleared jeheinz.

2) Pray tell exactly how useful your guarding has been?

[path12]

Indeed. Frankly though, I'm with clap, it doesn't really matter. The only difference for me if you're the wolf and not him is that I won't have been correct. :)

Either way, presuming 1 wolf left, I can't see how the end game works out in a victory for them if it's either of you two.

Sure, it probably doesn't matter on a meta sense. I would certainly like to be alive to win the game though. And considering you and Clap both were happy to believe me when I was clearing you guys I'd like to think you'd still believe me now.

[jeheinz72]

Sure, it probably doesn't matter on a meta sense. I would certainly like to be alive to win the game though. And considering you and Clap both were happy to believe me when I was clearing you guys I'd like to think you'd still believe me now.

Oh I believe you, with about 70% confidence. My vote isn't changing (I'm outta here in 20 min and won't be back til Monday)

[claphamsa]

I guess vote lantham
unvote path


once again it really doesnt matter

[PurdueBrad]

Current tally as of post 939-
Lathum (3)- jeheinz72(883), Path12 (915), Claphamsa (938)
Path12 (1)- Lathum (894)


Still to vote: Barkeep49, Telle

[claphamsa]

vote nightfall!

[path12]

I'm going to be gone for the evening. Good luck to us!

[Telle]

Gah.. I just don't know. I haven't bought path's story from when he first came out with it.. but then this is possible. But I think I'm gonna stick with my gut..

VOTE PATH

[PurdueBrad]

Current tally as of post 943-
Lathum (3)- jeheinz72(883), Path12 (915), Claphamsa (938)
Path12 (2)- Lathum (894), Telle (942)


Still to vote: Barkeep49

[Barkeep49]

Well sheesh. I wasn't expecting movements from others when I said I'd likely go with Telle. I hate voting into a tie.

[claphamsa]

Well sheesh. I wasn't expecting movements from others when I said I'd likely go with Telle. I hate voting into a tie.

then vote lantham

[Barkeep49]

No real choice.

Vote Lathum

[PurdueBrad]

Final Tally-
Lathum (4)- jeheinz72(883), Path12 (915), Claphamsa (938), Barkeep (946)
Path12 (2)- Lathum (894), Telle (942)

[Lathum]

wait!?

I thought we weren't going with the 10:00PM deadline??

[PurdueBrad]

TONIGHT WAS KIND OF A COOL SET-UP AS IT ESSENTIALLY SPELLED POSSIBLE END GAME IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, ONE FOR EACH TEAM...


The team decides that it is time to move Lathum out of the pack. He's claimed over and over, again and again to be the group's tough guy, but was he?

The team drives Lathum to the front of the high-rise that is home to Terry Benedict's apartment and you drop him off in the street, next to Benedict's garbage.

Unfortunately, he's Livingston Dell, bodyguard and villager.

"I told you guys," shouts Telle, from the driver seat of the van.

"Too bad you weren't persuasive enough," says Path (Turk Malloy, persuasive wolf), as he attacks and kills Telle (Jimmy Foster, villager) in front of Claphamsa and Barkeep49.

Clap is stunned and shouts, "Barkeep, help me stop this."

"I agree, let's stop this," Barkeep says as he reaches out...


...taking Claphamsa by the throat and strangling him.

"I guess you should've listened to your gut, eh Smiley," Barkeep (Basher Tarr, original villager, late game convert to wolf) says, laughing.
During the chaos, jeheinz72 (Saul Bloom) bolts the van and sprints for freedom. He turns to give the wolves the finger, only to find himself run over by a smiling Terry Benedict, who's limo had been following the van.



And with that, Terry Benedict has taken down the crew and the wolves win!


P.S.- Villagers, had you hit on the casino tonight (a 5 out of 6 chance) and lynched Path, you would've been guaranteed major victory with only 4 players remaining to knock off the final casino.

[PurdueBrad]

wait!?

I thought we weren't going with the 10:00PM deadline??

9 PM CST as the title states as everyone made it. Even though last voter held out a bit...BK, you jerk!

[Lathum]

told you

[Barkeep49]

wait!?

I thought we weren't going with the 10:00PM deadline??
I want to be very clear clap: I was converted on Day 4. So Days 1-3 when you were so convinced I was a wolf? I wasn't.

[Barkeep49]

I'll also say that today was absolutely painful to hold back on my anti-path logic today. The blaring point, left unsaid, was that if Lathum was converted there had to be a persuasive wolf to do it and that means, based on what we knew, that path HAD to be a wolf even if Lathum was bad. Congrats to path for pushing just the right buttons to win the game.

[Barkeep49]

What did happened on Day 1?

[claphamsa]

I want to be very clear clap: I was converted on Day 4. So Days 1-3 when you were so convinced I was a wolf? I wasn't.
durnit!

[Lathum]

I may have put up a bigger fight had I known the deadline was still 10:00. That being said we neber would have looked at BK until it was to late.

I am absolutly amazed anyone could think Path wasn't a wolf

[claphamsa]

so we are left at the end of the day with heinz and BK as the only ones alive/ crap! well I was fooled.

[claphamsa]

also why the hell did the wolves not kill me when I was hooked on BK? I said I would kill him! wouldve taken out 2 vilegars at once?

[Lathum]

Thanks for running the game PerdueBrad. It was a fun theme.

[claphamsa]

dola X10 PB great game, maybe a few too many random events? Also you confirmed for us that Lantham was the BG after he revealed ;)

wow 4 wolves and a rogues :(

[Lathum]

Ok.

so how many conversions were there ?

Also, next time I say we are going to lose the game if we don't lynch someone, please listen to me.

[Lathum]

If I may give some feedback I don't see a balance here.

There were 3 wolves, a rogue and a possible conversion.

We had a BG who can't protect themselves and didn't start the game with a seer.

[claphamsa]

Ok.

so how many conversions were there ?

Also, next time I say we are going to lose the game if we don't lynch someone, please listen to me.


i was convinced there was onl one left and it didnt matter :( ooppps

[PurdueBrad]

GM comments on the game (not that you may care!):

First, thank you ALL for playing. Running a game is kind of stressful but you guys made it a lot of fun. And fun to watch.

Lathum, again, my apologies regarding the wording differences between the night 1 and 2/3 PMs.

Path12, I have no idea how you pulled that off but nice job.

Now, I mentioned a few times that you guys kept hitting some rare, rare mechanics. Here are the ones I was referring to:

Day 1- ntndeacon had a 5% chance of hitting the scan that converted him. It went up greatly each successive night, but nice hit. Oh, and couldn't believe you lost St. Cronin but when the roles came out from Random.org, I knew it was a distinct possibility.

Night 1- To clear up what happened with night actions, the wolves did not submit a kill, hence no night kill.

Night 2- Path tried the kill and as persuasive wolf had his best percentage (70%) of converting here. But he didn't convert Chief, the rogue, and killed him instead.

Day 3- The tie...jeez! This was my rarest dynamic because it took both a tie and then random.org again hit the low percentage play. The highest percentage play here would've been dual deaths (60%) and then there were lesser likely options of player A dies but not B, B dies but not A, last voter dies, or the double-casino knockoff dynamic which for this game also resurrected St. Cronin.

Day 4- I wrote in a dynamic that put a ton of pressure on reveals. If a player revealed and a player counter revealed, each would be guaranteed to see it through to the next day as long as these reveals occured on the same day. This was a 50/50 hit, as the other option was a dual-death again. Because they both got to live, it reverted to the #2 vote getter, sndvls.

Night 4- This is the annoying hit and I apologized two or three times to Barkeep49. I HATE late game conversions and this one had a 10% chance of happening with Path's kill. And it hit. This is the one time, in all honesty, I considered doing a re-roll but in the spirit of the game knew that it would be unfair.

From here, St. Cronin actually did a hell of a job keeping the villagers going and had the village made it through tonight, a major victory was certain.

It was harder GM'ing than I thought (mainly because my wife was annoyed with me from 8:15-9:45 each night!) but I would honestly say that I overplanned in order to make sure the game stayed of interest and excitement. I would've preferred half of these dynamics be triggered and only one rare event. So I would cut the number of opportunities for these next time to keep it limited.

[Lathum]

i was convinced there was onl one left and it didnt matter :( ooppps

usualy when you think that something bad happens.

Also, was there a kill the night BK was converted?

That makes it virtualy impossible to figure it out. There was no way we were gonna win this game. By the time we backtracked to BK we would have been done for.

[PurdueBrad]

If I may give some feedback I don't see a balance here.

There were 3 wolves, a rogue and a possible conversion.

We had a BG who can't protect themselves and didn't start the game with a seer.

I agree with you here. I felt that the early conversion set-up and a night two or three move from arrogant seer to seer would've made it a bit more balanced. When ntn hit the conversion immediately, I thought great, this'll play. The late conversion was of particular annoyance to me. However Lathum, there was one dynamic that you guys never hit. Anytime that St. Cronin would've been in the top three vote getters and live, you had a 50% shot at a double-casino knock off. The major victory was supposed to be much more in play, which is why the fourth wolf wouldn't have mattered. The major victory was to keep pressure on the wolves, but that got shot down immediately.

One other thing, I expected the items to have more of an influence. Pass had just a 10% chance of being night-killed without at least taking the wolf with him, if not defending himself, living, and killing the wolf. Of course, as you saw, Pass died and no wolf was killed that night. The syringe would've actually caused one wolf to kill another wolf had it been used on the night of an attack. Hammer/nails would've simply fended off an attack, buying villagers another night.

[Lathum]

Also Brad, I thought your write ups were some of the best we've ever seen!!

[claphamsa]

Also Brad, I thought your write ups were some of the best we've ever seen!!

amen to that. didnt like the 10 pm deadline but thats not a highe deal! I like the noon games better :)

[PurdueBrad]

Also Brad, I thought your write ups were some of the best we've ever seen!!

Really? Lathum, that really does mean a lot to me. I tried my best to get them up both quickly but put some personality into them, so thank you. Like I said, my fear was not making the game interesting enough (which 'caused me to make it a bit too much funhouse like, although I will say that random.org must be controlled by the devil!).

Lathum, one other balance thing I forgot. I figured that Claphamsa's veteran power would be more important but it never came about.

[PurdueBrad]

amen to that. didnt like the 10 pm deadline but thats not a highe deal! I like the noon games better :)

The wolves know my feelings on part of this. One change I definitely would've made would be the 12 hour clocks and yeah, earlier. I thought I was helping west-coasters but forgot just how late 9 pm CST feels here, much less 10 pm EST. Especially when I usually didn't get write-ups on the board until about twenty after.

[claphamsa]

Really? Lathum, that really does mean a lot to me. I tried my best to get them up both quickly but put some personality into them, so thank you. Like I said, my fear was not making the game interesting enough (which 'caused me to make it a bit too much funhouse like, although I will say that random.org must be controlled by the devil!).

Lathum, one other balance thing I forgot. I figured that Claphamsa's veteran power would be more important but it never came about.

kept me alive! which turned otu not to be such a good hting!

[PurdueBrad]

Chief Rum- I have to know...which way were you going to pick on night two?

[PurdueBrad]

But again, I can't say it enough to each of you:

Thanks for making this a fun experience GM'ing my first game and for volunteering to play with rookie GM. I'm glad I've stumbled into WW.

[claphamsa]

But again, I can't say it enough to each of you:

Thanks for making this a fun experience GM'ing my first game and for volunteering to play with rookie GM. I'm glad I've stumbled into WW.


shouldnt we be thanking you......... :confused:

[claphamsa]

oh yeah, and you never marked path as dead!!!! I want my kill :P

[claphamsa]

the more and more i think of this the more is sucks! I was sure that path was the wolf, just voted the other way for expediency! I blame BK!

[PurdueBrad]

dola X10 PB great game, maybe a few too many random events? Also you confirmed for us that Lantham was the BG after he revealed ;)


Yeah, this was a struggle but Lathum had put himself out on a limb and was essentially ready to point his finger at somebody simply because I pasted from the wrong model and I thought it was smarter to confirm his role rather than let a person be lost due to a slip up. Plus, even though he couldn't night defend himself and this would make him a wolf target, items would've helped him.

[ntndeacon]

Great game PurdueBrad. I had late wondered about path being a pursuasive wolf but decided to keep quiet about it. hoping Iwas wrong.

[claphamsa]

Yeah, this was a struggle but Lathum had put himself out on a limb and was essentially ready to point his finger at somebody simply because I pasted from the wrong model and I thought it was smarter to confirm his role rather than let a person be lost due to a slip up. Plus, even though he couldn't night defend himself and this would make him a wolf target, items would've helped him.

as logn as it wasnt a slip, a learnign expienrence, and humblig one :( for me :'(

[Chief Rum]

Chief Rum- I have to know...which way were you going to pick on night two?

I tend to be a lone wolf. I was going to go it alone, and try to play both sides off of one another. Getting killed that night was a great disappointment to me. :(

I enjoyed the game for what little time I was in it.

[Lathum]

the more and more i think of this the more is sucks! I was sure that path was the wolf, just voted the other way for expediency! I blame BK!

It's ok. All you did was cost us the game. ;)

chalk it up as a learning experience.

[st.cronin]

I enjoyed this game as much as any where I got lynched on day 1. That said I have 1 minor complaint: I still do not like games where events are determined by random.org. I think players should always have to make decisions based on information, instead of hoping that the dice fall their way.

That's my werewolf philosophy.

[Lathum]

JHeinze- can you explain your thought process behind trusting path based on the fact he allegedly scanned you?

[Passacaglia]

I enjoyed this game as much as any where I got lynched on day 1. That said I have 1 minor complaint: I still do not like games where events are determined by random.org. I think players should always have to make decisions based on information, instead of hoping that the dice fall their way.

That's my werewolf philosophy.

I agree with this. Which makes my next game completely hypocritical.

[Alan T]

I enjoyed this game as much as any where I got lynched on day 1. That said I have 1 minor complaint: I still do not like games where events are determined by random.org. I think players should always have to make decisions based on information, instead of hoping that the dice fall their way.

That's my werewolf philosophy.

My earlier games had alot more random.org in it than my last game did. I like having some sort of random in there for some parts, but what I found in games with alot of players and alot of roles and alot of items and alot of moving pieces is that having randomness in there it just creates all kinds of unforseen possibilities that can too easily throw my game out of balance.

I still likely will use some randomness in some things, but what I am more leaning towards these days is using randomness in minor areas where its a 50/50 chance for something to happen. I doubt I'll be using many 5% chance or 10% chance of success or failure possibilities as much anymore.

[Barkeep49]

I was going to send this privately to PB but since it's been talked about publicly:

I agree that the players should be what drives the game, with their decisions. I have, in my last few games, tried to almost eliminate random.org (virtually doing so in Survivor even for players' roles), but I don't think that's what is necessary to have a godo game. Instead it needs to be about informed consent. So, I could, for instance, choose to do something that has a 50% chance of success. Random.org will ultimately determine if it's successful or not, but it was based on a direct decision I made and I made it informed of the potential payoff or risk. Pass' game falls in this category where there is a random element, but it's based firmly on a choice made by the player. On the other hand, in this game there were a lot of dice rolls, without the players having any idea of the outcome. This takes the feeling of control away. In this case I think there could have been some simple fixes. For instance, it could have said in the rules that if the arrogant seer views the rogue there is a chance he would become the actual seer. Or that the persuasive wolf has a decreasing chance of converting somebody each day. Sometimes the nature of the mechanic dictates that it be secret. So, for instance, there could have been the secret rule about what happens if two players reveal with the same role. But as it was multiple events would happen and they seemed like they were out of left field rather than based on the actions of the players.

Which isn't to say this was a bad game, because it wasn't. It had some fabulous write ups, some intriguing mechanics (the idea of having a duke on each side is an intriguing twist). Plus PB didn't fall victim to one of the easiest traps I've seen GMs make: they claim not all roles are in the game but all roles ARE in the game. It's natural to do (you go through the hard work of designing it, seems like a waste not to use it) so props to PB for avoiding that pitfall and double props for his highly entertaining writeups.

[path12]

JHeinze- can you explain your thought process behind trusting path based on the fact he allegedly scanned you?

Persuasion, baby, persuasion. :D

I will never fake reveal without re-reading all the roles and ruleset twice over to make sure I don't make a stupid mistake like forgetting I wouldn't have seen Chief as the rogue. I felt bad pushing all the blame to Brad, but had no other way to go.

The reason for the reveal was simple. You guys had cleared everyone but us wolves and jeheinz once ntn revealed, so we were going to be done for. I had to try and at least shake it up somehow.

Great game by Brad, and I'll agree one of the most entertaining to read. I also really enjoyed playing with my fellow wolves. Good job all!

[Lathum]

The reason for the reveal was simple. You guys had cleared everyone but us wolves and jeheinz once ntn revealed, so we were going to be done for. I had to try and at least shake it up somehow.

!

which is exactly what I said you did. At least I was spot on with how you were thinking.

[Barkeep49]

also why the hell did the wolves not kill me when I was hooked on BK? I said I would kill him! wouldve taken out 2 vilegars at once?
I'd love to know the answer to this as well.

[path12]

which is exactly what I said you did. At least I was spot on with how you were thinking.

Totally. I know you would have played it the same way (though you would have had your story straight).

[path12]

One thing I've decided after a few games with it is that I'm not a huge fan of the 24 hour clock. There is too much that happens at deadline to have all bases covered beforehand.

[Barkeep49]

One thing I've decided after a few games with it is that I'm not a huge fan of the 24 hour clock. There is too much that happens at deadline to have all bases covered beforehand.
I've never been a fan of the 24 hour clock for that reason, though I know there are several who will only play games with that. Since I like having players more, I would be curious to see if some GM would go with a short night cycle of a couple hours, as a sort of compromise.

[st.cronin]

I've never been a fan of the 24 hour clock for that reason, though I know there are several who will only play games with that. Since I like having players more, I would be curious to see if some GM would go with a short night cycle of a couple hours, as a sort of compromise.

Another option is the 24/24 clock - 24 hour day and night cycles. Might be worth an experiment.

I know there are a few advocates of the 24/12 clock, but I found that absolutely impossible to play, since I could never remember when the deadline was.

[ntndeacon]

Another option is the 24/24 clock - 24 hour day and night cycles. Might be worth an experiment.

I know there are a few advocates of the 24/12 clock, but I found that absolutely impossible to play, since I could never remember when the deadline was.

not neccesarily a bad alternative, but it would slow down games a fair amount.

[Barkeep49]

Another option is the 24/24 clock - 24 hour day and night cycles. Might be worth an experiment.

I know there are a few advocates of the 24/12 clock, but I found that absolutely impossible to play, since I could never remember when the deadline was.
24/24 would REALLY slow down a game, as even 24/12 slowed things down. Since we've been having smaller games again (like 18 and under) a slower pace wouldn't be the worst. However, if we started having 20+ games again the slower pace would likely mean we'd want to run a small game somewhere in there, because it could take so long to finish. I personally liked the 24/12 solution, but then again I invented that so I suppose I'm partial :)

[Lathum]

I like the normal old school clock.

To me there is something enjoyable about waking up in the morning to see if I am still alive, it adds some realism to it.

I also like that is gives anyone who has a night action time to process what happend during the day, especialy at the deadline.

[claphamsa]

Another option is the 24/24 clock - 24 hour day and night cycles. Might be worth an experiment.

I know there are a few advocates of the 24/12 clock, but I found that absolutely impossible to play, since I could never remember when the deadline was.
over on tsw weve been doign a 24./ 24 and during the night its booooooorign! cuz no one says anything for fear of wolves.

[claphamsa]

I like the normal old school clock.

To me there is something enjoyable about waking up in the morning to see if I am still alive, it adds some realism to it.

I also like that is gives anyone who has a night action time to process what happend during the day, especialy at the deadline.


It really doesnt matter to me, but make the deadline noon or somethign :) i had to stay up late every night to see what happend!

[Barkeep49]

It really doesnt matter to me, but make the deadline noon or somethign :) i had to stay up late every night to see what happend!
See you're new around here (Hi PineTar speaking of new players). Lathum likes to set a 9 AM action deadline and then posts the results at noon :)

[st.cronin]

As a GM, I find the 12/12 clock (or whatever variant Lathum uses - the 9/15 clock, perhaps) incredibly onerous. As a player, I do like it quite a bit, and understand why some people like it. Without the 24 hour clock, I just would not have the energy to keep running games.

I suggest somebody try a small game using a 24/24 clock at some point. I think we have formed a sort of "werewolf culture" here with biases against certain types of play that may actually be very rewarding.