WW United -- GAME OVER

[GoldenEagle]

What is the vote count?

[lerriuqs]

Just getting caught up.

[lerriuqs]

What is the vote count?

whs...Looks like GE is in the lead, but by how much?

[GoldenEagle]

What evidence is there against me to lynch?

I am just a regular villager. I don't have any special roles. I thought about revealing myself as a seer to try to save my skin but there is no need to that.

I just can't figure out why I am getting lynced.

[lerriuqs]

What evidence is there against me to lynch?

I am just a regular villager. I don't have any special roles. I thought about revealing myself as a seer to try to save my skin but there is no need to that.

I just can't figure out why I am getting lynced.

Neither can I. I think we've got a villager strung up here.

I see
6 votes for GE
4 for no lynch
2 for Jackal
1 for CR

And this late run on GE concerns me.

I don't like the no lynch, but I think we have a villager on the block so...

Vote No lynch

[GoldenEagle]

Unvote The Jackal

Vote No Lynch

It should be obvious why I am doing this.

[Passacaglia]

Vote count:


Chief Rum 1 -- LoneStarGirl (387)
No Lynch 5 -- Kwhit (423) Chief Rum (425) PurdueBrad (430) J23 (457) lerriuqs (505)
GoldenEagle 6 -- claphamsa (433) Lathum (450) Schmidty (464) The Jackal (467) Darth Vilus (489) JAG (490)
The Jackal 2 -- GoldenEagle (441) Alan T (466)


October Fest was pretty lame.

[Passacaglia]

New vote count:


Chief Rum 1 -- LoneStarGirl (387)
No Lynch 6 -- Kwhit (423) Chief Rum (425) PurdueBrad (430) J23 (457) lerriuqs (505) GoldenEagle (506)
GoldenEagle 6 -- claphamsa (433) Lathum (450) Schmidty (464) The Jackal (467) Darth Vilus (489) JAG (490)
The Jackal 1 -- Alan T (466)

[Schmidty]

Alan? Care to help? Chief?

[JAG]

Telle and Mia haven't voted.

[KWhit]

Verrrrrrry interesting.

[KWhit]

Very, very interesting (time check).

[Chief Rum]

I am already where I want to be (No Lynch). I'm not convinced GE is a wolf.

[GoldenEagle]

It looks like a tie between lynching me and a no lynch. Hopefully this is not a round-up kind of thing.

[Passacaglia]

You gather round as KWhit reveals his lineup for today's match. Maybe with one match under his belt, he'll have the experience he needs to get you a win?


*Starters:*
1 Goalkeeper - Telle
2 Center Backs - AlanT, PurdueBrad
2 Full Backs - Schmidty, lerriuqs
2 Central Midfielders - DaddyTorgo, LoneStarGirl
2 Wingers - Chief Rum, Claphamsa
2 Strikers - Darth Vilus, Lathum

*Bench:*
JAG
Mia Ow
J23
The Jackal
Golden Eagle

[Chief Rum]

now see, this is just flat out incorrect.

I took it to 4 days because Jag made a comment about getting down to 15 players before we lynch, which would be 4 days ( actually 3 since I mistakenly counted KWhit). So explain to me how my statement was incorrect or illogical?

Dude, I didn't even vote for you. Let it go, just once in your life.

[Passacaglia]

Everyone gets into their positions, when you realize that Chief Rum is nowhere to be seen. You look around for him, only to find his body chewed to virtual nothingness, with his clean bones stacked neatly in his locker. Attached to the back of his locker door, you see a note:


Player Report on Chief Rum by Passacaglia

Chief Rum is probably best suited coming off the bench. He’d make a pretty good Goalkeeper or Winger, but not good enough to supplant any of the starters there.

Chief Rum’s skills.

GK: 89
CB: 40
FB: 6
CM: 18
W: 84
S: 41
Average: 46


Behind the bones, you see various books on Thug Lyfe, and on how to fight off wolf attacks. Chief Rum was the Tough Guy!

Unfortunately, with the match a mere moments away, KWhit finds himself unable to find a replacement for his position, and the match is set to begin!

[claphamsa]

ooo so I can chat with Chief rum?

[claphamsa]

or not

[Chief Rum]

Oh well, good luck, guys. I was pretty sure I was gonna buy it today.

[JAG]

Unfortunately, with the match a mere moments away, KWhit finds himself unable to find a replacement for his position, and the match is set to begin!

Doh...

[J23]

doh, no sub selected?

[Passacaglia]

Another bore draw for WW United. Poor Goalkeeping seems to be the squad’s new trademark, as Telle lets in a couple questionable goals. The squad bounces back from 2-0 to draw the match at 2-2 in the end. Man of the Match is Schmidty. While in Game 1, LoneStarGirl was considered to be a real hero coming off the bench, she seemed lost out there as a starter in the central midfield.

The skill levels, in descending order:

1. Schmidty, Winger, 94
2. Darth Vilus, Striker, 94
3. Alan T, Center Back, 81
4. lerriuqs, Full Back, 65
5. DaddyTorgo, Central Midfielder, 41
6. PurdueBrad, Center Back, 31
7. Telle, Goalkeeper, 17
8. claphamsa, Winger, 14
9. Lathum, Striker, 12
10. LoneStarGirl, Central Midfielder, 8

Bench players:

1. GoldenEagle, 59
2. Mia Ow, 58
3. J23, 48
4. JAG, 40

Total: 622
Result: Draw
Points: 2

[GoldenEagle]

GoldenEagle 6 -- claphamsa (433) Lathum (450) Schmidty (464) The Jackal (467) Darth Vilus (489) JAG (490)

Of this group, I can ensure you at least one or two are wolves. I think we need to look at:

Schmidty, Darth Vilus, and Jag in that order.

[Passacaglia]

(FYI, I put down the wrong number for GoldenEagle in Game 1. His actual average is 59. It wouldn't have affected the result in either game. Should make for some nice RP though, I guess!)

[claphamsa]

wow, I suck at soccer!

[Schmidty]

GoldenEagle 6 -- claphamsa (433) Lathum (450) Schmidty (464) The Jackal (467) Darth Vilus (489) JAG (490)

Of this group, I can ensure you at least one or two are wolves. I think we need to look at:

Schmidty, Darth Vilus, and Jag in that order.

And your reasoning?

It's not like just because I voted for you, I'm a wolf, because WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU'RE CLEARED EITHER. So your list might be good for YOU to look at, but to say "we need to look at" is silly.

You're playing a weird game there man. No offense.

[Darth Vilus]

you see it's crap like this which is why i voted for u! unless u r reffering to the seer scanning us, which in that case u would be correct. and im actually with u on a couple of those people.

[Alan T]

GoldenEagle 6 -- claphamsa (433) Lathum (450) Schmidty (464) The Jackal (467) Darth Vilus (489) JAG (490)

Of this group, I can ensure you at least one or two are wolves. I think we need to look at:

Schmidty, Darth Vilus, and Jag in that order.


I don't agree. I think many of these people are simply people who saw this as the only option other than no lynch.

I don't know that they aren't wolves, but I don't see their voting for GE here as making them any more likely then anyone else. Plus if GE is a wolf, I find most of these people as looking pretty good.

[claphamsa]

whic means we need to find out about GE...

[Passacaglia]

With the news of the internal sabotage of your squad, your next opponent has decided to show some mercy. They have given you the opportunity to play either a 9-on-9 game, or to play a shorter game such that you will not need substitutes. Since they feel pretty confident either way, they've decided to let KWhit make the decision as the game begins. If he chooses the shorter game, he will name 11 starters and no subs. If he chooses the 9-on-9 game, he will name 9 starters (1 GK, and 1-2 of every other position as he sees fit), and everyone else will sit on the bench as a sub. Either way, only 700 points will be required for a win.

Day 3 begins! You may now PM with your new partners.

[claphamsa]

internal sabotage? oh like wolves?

[JAG]

I may be the suckiest soccer player of the bunch, but I can do a great job motivating from the bench. Go team!

[claphamsa]

I don't agree. I think many of these people are simply people who saw this as the only option other than no lynch.

I don't know that they aren't wolves, but I don't see their voting for GE here as making them any more likely then anyone else. Plus if GE is a wolf, I find most of these people as looking pretty good.
sicne you and kwitt are the onlyones cleared... what do you think about people? after the latest vote!

[GoldenEagle]

(FYI, I put down the wrong number for GoldenEagle in Game 1. His actual average is 59. It wouldn't have affected the result in either game. Should make for some nice RP though, I guess!)

What did I flipping tell people about the scouting department around here? It is awful I tell you. I should have been hired to play striker, head the scouting department, and sell fish and chips at half-time.

[The Jackal]

Was I on the bench or do I not get to talk to the other bench players?

[Alan T]

sicne you and kwitt are the onlyones cleared... what do you think about people? after the latest vote!


I think since it is a long weekend till the next deadline, I'd rather see what everyone else thinks rather than influence them with my guesses.

[GoldenEagle]

And your reasoning?

It's not like just because I voted for you, I'm a wolf, because WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU'RE CLEARED EITHER. So your list might be good for YOU to look at, but to say "we need to look at" is silly.

You're playing a weird game there man. No offense.

I know that I am cleared. There is no way that I can prove it. But the wolves were going to jump on me looking for an easy kill.

Schmidty - Playing a little under the radar. Not really doing anything controversial. Voted for MartinD and me, presumably two villagers.

Darth Vilus - Is able to hide under the fact that he is a talented striker. He was not killed, despite being the best player from the first game. Did vote for clap on day 1.

JAG - His computing of scores and trying to push us to go for the win in team points is a bit suspicious. Tagged a late, suspicious vote on lerriuqs after it was already determined that MartinD would be lynched.

After review, I would say JAG and Schmidty are more likely to be wolves than Darth Vilus.

[The Jackal]

internal sabotage? oh like wolves?

I'm guessing he just meant the death of CR, which was not unexpected. Its pretty standard for the BG to claim someone else protected him in the hopes the wolves will think they don't have a role.

[PurdueBrad]

Wow, I suck at soccer too. Thanks for giving me a second shot KWhit. GUH!

[GoldenEagle]

Wow, I suck at soccer too. Thanks for giving me a second shot KWhit. GUH!

Yea, mate. Your bloddy awful. Maybe you should not be skipping training anymore.

Maybe you have pictures of the gaffer with the chairman's wife or something.

[Passacaglia]

Was I on the bench or do I not get to talk to the other bench players?

Sorry, The Jackal -- you were on the bench, contributing 46.

[PurdueBrad]

Alan, we can PM, I should be around this evening and Sunday (going to the NIU-Purdue game Saturday if I feel well enough, sorry).

[Lathum]

Dude, I didn't even vote for you. Let it go, just once in your life.

I'm still catching up but I am over it.

You make false statements about me and what I said, then when I point out you are incorrect you tell me to let it go?

If anyone needs to let anything go it is you and your arrogance. I have every right to correct false statements made about what I said.

I know I'n not supposed to edit, but if that was an attampt at humor I apologize for not getting it.

[Lathum]

I suck at soccer also.

[Alan T]

Alan, we can PM, I should be around this evening and Sunday (going to the NIU-Purdue game Saturday if I feel well enough, sorry).


This is my weekend with my oldest two daughters, so I likely won't be around as much as normal but should be from time to time. I'll likely drop a PM later tonight as I'm sure I'd like to talk to you some!

[DaddyTorgo]

balls - i totally missed deadline. middle of the workday and i was just busy with crap.

[Darth Vilus]

I know that I am cleared. There is no way that I can prove it. But the wolves were going to jump on me looking for an easy kill.

Schmidty - Playing a little under the radar. Not really doing anything controversial. Voted for MartinD and me, presumably two villagers.

Darth Vilus - Is able to hide under the fact that he is a talented striker. He was not killed, despite being the best player from the first game. Did vote for clap on day 1.

JAG - His computing of scores and trying to push us to go for the win in team points is a bit suspicious. Tagged a late, suspicious vote on lerriuqs after it was already determined that MartinD would be lynched.

After review, I would say JAG and Schmidty are more likely to be wolves than Darth Vilus.

Let's see, what else do we have in common? Oh that's right, we all voted foy you. Very interesting. Also, I voted for Clap last time and look what Clap is doing now, fishing for information from AlanT. Of course that could just be clap. So I have danger signs pointed at GE. If you are a villager, you are doing a hell of a job screwing with the rest of us mate.

[JAG]

I'd like to hear some thoughts from Telle and Mia when they get a chance as we haven't heard from either of them in the thread in over a day.

[GoldenEagle]

Let's see, what else do we have in common? Oh that's right, we all voted foy you. Very interesting. Also, I voted for Clap last time and look what Clap is doing now, fishing for information from AlanT. Of course that could just be clap. So I have danger signs pointed at GE. If you are a villager, you are doing a hell of a job screwing with the rest of us mate.

You sure do get defensive when anyone throws any suspicion your way. Are you hiding anything from us? I told you that I thought you were likely the third out of the 3 wolf candidates that I listed. Yet you still went on the defensive war path.

The wolves know I am a villager. They saw an easy chance to get rid of another player, so they jumped on it. JAG and you were the last two players to throw votes on my bandwagon.

[Darth Vilus]

Really? Really? Who isn't going to get defensive? And that's not once but twice you've done it. If i hadn't voted for you would u still be spouting all of this?

[Darth Vilus]

Anyone else have thought on this? U think I'm on to something or did I just unwittingly get in a tiff with GE?

[JAG]

I don't think this will help much at this point, but may as well start to organize things:

Day 1 vote:

No Lynch 4 -- Kwhit (103) MartinD (133) DaddyTorgo (182) PurdueBrad (185)
MartinD 9 -- Mia Ow (142) Schmidty (154) Telle (183) claphamsa (192) The Jackal (207) Lathum (262) Alan T (282) lerriuqs (285) Danny (293)
claphamsa 2 -- LoneStarGirl (156) Darth Vilus (159)
lerriuqs 3 -- Chief Rum (242) GoldenEagle (245) JAG* (296)

* - vote was No Lynch until 1 min. before deadline

Didn't vote: J23


Day 2 vote:

Chief Rum 1 -- LoneStarGirl (387)
No Lynch 6 -- Kwhit (423) Chief Rum (425) PurdueBrad (430) J23 (457) lerriuqs (505) GoldenEagle (506)
GoldenEagle 6 -- claphamsa (433) Lathum (450) Schmidty (464) The Jackal (467) Darth Vilus (489) JAG (490)
The Jackal 1 -- Alan T (466)

Didn't vote: Mia Ow, Telle

[Darth Vilus]

*thoughts*

[Schmidty]

Anyone else have thought on this? U think I'm on to something or did I just unwittingly get in a tiff with GE?

I think he's still acting funny, and his accusations don't have any oomph behind them, since we really don't have a record to go off of yet, since we've only had one lynch and one no lynch. Of course, I admit that I have nothing to go on other than gut and observation, but at least I'm being honest about it.

Oh, and to say that I'm under the radar in this game is silly. In half of the other games, no one even knows I'm there. :)

[Darth Vilus]

Oh and i apologize to J23 for not replying. Normally a window pops up letting me know i have a PM. Didnt see it til the new line up was posted.

[J23]

Oh and i apologize to J23 for not replying. Normally a window pops up letting me know i have a PM. Didnt see it til the new line up was posted.

No biggie. As you can see, there wasn't anything earth-shattering in there. I just get excited when I can actually PM in one of these games!

[Passacaglia]

Lorena just sent me a PM saying that Mia Ow does not have internet access. It sounds like she might still be able to get on, but I guess we'll hear more details later.

[GoldenEagle]

Really? Really? Who isn't going to get defensive? And that's not once but twice you've done it. If i hadn't voted for you would u still be spouting all of this?

Probably because I was up for a lynch. You have one person mention you as a potential wolf and you go crazy.

Just what exactly are you hiding?

[Darth Vilus]

Nothing, i'm just opposed to getting killed is all. U weren't here last time but i almost won the game in one fell swoop! Im pretty good at reading people so I believe it would be beneficial to the group if i stayed around for a bit.

[claphamsa]

Nothing, i'm just opposed to getting killed is all. U weren't here last time but i almost won the game in one fell swoop! Im pretty good at reading people so I believe it would be beneficial to the group if i stayed around for a bit.
you werent even close! you cannot compare to me! little less the mastery of my cat! keep trying though.

[Darth Vilus]

bro i had two wolves pegged, the outcast, and before the final lynch i guessed at the third wolf. I can take your cat any day! and trust me, your cat is way tougher than you.

[GoldenEagle]

Nothing, i'm just opposed to getting killed is all. U weren't here last time but i almost won the game in one fell swoop! Im pretty good at reading people so I believe it would be beneficial to the group if i stayed around for a bit.

I am not in favor of lynching you at this point but I think you are someone we need to be aware of. That is all. I would be more inclined to vote for JAG or Schmidty at this point.

[Darth Vilus]

fair enough

[J23]

bro i had two wolves pegged, the outcast, and before the final lynch i guessed at the third wolf. I can take your cat any day! and trust me, your cat is way tougher than you.

well, you *were* the seer last game...

Just saying...

[claphamsa]

well, you *were* the seer last game...

Just saying...
shhh the logic is not strong with this one!

[Darth Vilus]

true. but u have to admit i found them pretty quick.

[Darth Vilus]

And I'm not saying a little luck wasn't involved

[Passacaglia]

Due to her connection issues, Mia Ow has asked to be removed from the game. I asked Lorena to replace her, and she has agreed. I also left the door open for Mia Ow to take back her place if she gets everything settled, since we've got a while before the next deadline anyway. But for now, Lorena will be playing that role, and whoever could PM with Mia Ow can now PM with Lorena instead.

[Chief Rum]

true. but u have to admit i found them pretty quick.

Ha! You never found me. :D

And don't give me that guess at the end crap. Not like there were a lot of choices left.

[Darth Vilus]

Ha! You never found me. :D

And don't give me that guess at the end crap. Not like there were a lot of choices left.

It was the guess at the end :D I wasn't sure before i revealed but after when u actually started talking u climbed up my list. Doesn't matter anyways

[Lorena]

Mia will not be returning, looks like you guys are stuck with me.

[GoldenEagle]

It was the guess at the end :D I wasn't sure before i revealed but after when u actually started talking u climbed up my list. Doesn't matter anyways

I don't think Chief has never had a problem about not talking.

[claphamsa]

Mia will not be returning, looks like you guys are stuck with me.
I hope she figures everything out!

[Lorena]

I hope she figures everything out!

I hope so too! She had a hard time navigating the forum on her iPhone saying stuff kept closing on her or something... I dunno. But she definitely won't be coming back.

[claphamsa]

ever or for this game?

[LoneStarGirl]

Just checking in from Shreveport. I read the last six pages of thread but can't really retain the information right now. I do know that I have a great feeling of dislike for Darth after only two games. Nothing to do with how wolfy or unwolfy I feel he is acting, but more to do with the nonsense he is throwing out there... I am just getting a unwelcome vibe from him.

[Darth Vilus]

Just checking in from Shreveport. I read the last six pages of thread but can't really retain the information right now. I do know that I have a great feeling of dislike for Darth after only two games. Nothing to do with how wolfy or unwolfy I feel he is acting, but more to do with the nonsense he is throwing out there... I am just getting a unwelcome vibe from him.

What's that suppposed to mean?

[Darth Vilus]

If anyone one else feels this way just say so and I'll stop playing

[claphamsa]

people not likeing you is a good thing :)

this is WW not patty cakes!

[Lathum]

Just checking in from Shreveport. I read the last six pages of thread but can't really retain the information right now. I do know that I have a great feeling of dislike for Darth after only two games. Nothing to do with how wolfy or unwolfy I feel he is acting, but more to do with the nonsense he is throwing out there... I am just getting a unwelcome vibe from him.

I think this is a bit harsh.

Darth has done/ said some tings to make me scratch my head, but people need a few games to realize the ettiquette, etc...

I haven't seen anything from Darth that suggests he is an assclown or overly obnoxious.

I know better than anyone peoples playing styles don't always mesh ( look at me and CR, we fight like crazy in game but I have no personal issues with him), it may just be his style. I for one like it when a new player jumps right in. He will learn in time any boundries that may or may not exist.

I think Render is the best example of this. He was a total douche the first few games he played, but eventually mellowed out and while I can't speak for others I enjoy playing in games with him.

[DaddyTorgo]

*shrug* i think Darth is fine.

Sorry that mia had browsing-issues and won't be continuing

[Lorena]

If anyone one else feels this way just say so and I'll stop playing

Don't let 1 person's opinion influence whether or not you play in the future, I happen to like your one liners, Darth :)

[Lorena]

ever or for this game?

I'm guessing for this game, but I don't know for sure.

[Schmidty]

If anyone one else feels this way just say so and I'll stop playing

I don't know why, but this quote reminds me of this scene in "The Princess Bride":

Kid: You mean he wins? Jesus, Grandpa! What did you read me this thing for?

Grandfather: You know, you...you've been very sick and you're taking this story very seriously. I think we'd better stop now.

Kid: No. I...I'm okay. I'm okay. Sit down. I'm alright.

Grandfather: Okay. Alright, now lets see...where were we? Oh, yes, in the Pit of Despair.

I think you'll learn DV, that if you take the GAME too seriously, it just becomes work where you feel offended all of the time. It happens to all WW players at times, but eventually you just roll with the punches.

Get pissed, get loud and defensive, do what you've got to do, but crying that you're going to take your ball and go home because you don't like what you hear is just lame. Sorry.

Just nut it up. You were doing fine so far. :)

[The Jackal]

Damn. Now when I wrote my bench PM I wish I'd said:

"Let me esplain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up."

[The Jackal]

Is there any voting leftover from Friday or are we just settled on dealing with it when we wake up tomorrow?

[Lorena]

I feel left out, no PMs :(

[The Jackal]

I feel left out, no PMs :(

That's weird. I could swear you responded to the one I sent you. Did it need to be princess bride oriented? ;)

[LoneStarGirl]

I feel like I have been totally useless this game. The only time I can get on is early in the morning and after work, so my votes are usually irrelevant.

I haven't recieved a PM all game, even when I was on the bench the first game, which makes me want to look at the others on the bench. I know that if had the opportunity I would have pm'ed everybody to talk it up, but due to time restrains I never could. I also know that if I was a wolf I probably would have pmed everybody to get a feel for who might have any special roles, so my wolf gang could get rid of them. Because I feel this way I, for the time being, am goin to assume that Telle, GE, and PurdueBrad are good. I also dont think that Lathum would have went head to head with CR if he was a wolf, because it would look back when CR turned up good and Lathum was still alive. And we all have Kwhit and Alant in our COT...

Looking at votes, the first day in particular JAG threw a useless late vote onto Lerriuqs while Lerriuqs and Danny (wolf) jumped on the tail end of a Martin Bandwagon

So if I had to get the ball rolling today I would want a run off between Lerriuqs and JAG

vote lerriuqs

[Passacaglia]

Get pissed, get loud and defensive, do what you've got to do, but crying that you're going to take your ball and go home because you don't like what you hear is just lame. Sorry.

Just nut it up. You were doing fine so far. :)

Yeah....I'm going to have to...go ahead and disagree with you on that one.

He was pretty much called out in a way that was not related to the game ("Nothing to do with how wolfy or unwolfy I feel he is acting"). While most WW tiffs begin with game-related stuff and gradually get more personal as the parties become more invested in the game, this one started out as immediately personal, and made it sound like he wasn't wanted here.

[claphamsa]

so we have a 3pm deadline today?

[claphamsa]

we got any kind of vote count?

[Lorena]

That's weird. I could swear you responded to the one I sent you. Did it need to be princess bride oriented? ;)

Oh ok, yeah I got the one with the summary of the game so far. I thought you sent another one, my bad.

I'll have to bust out with a spreadsheet with vote counts and see if I can see a pattern, but it won't be 'til later.

[DaddyTorgo]

i too haven't received (or sent to be fair) any PM's

i also feel like i've been a bit useless this game. work is kicking my ass from pillar-to-post but i'll try to pick it up a lil this week...

[PurdueBrad]

I haven't gotten any PMs either and really didn't have much to say anyway other than I suck at centerback (is that a defender btw?) and at bench. So that means I'm either a forward, a goalie, or the worst player ever. I'm going over vote data to see what I can find.

[claphamsa]

we got any votes? anyone alive?

[Alan T]

I haven't gotten any PMs either and really didn't have much to say anyway other than I suck at centerback (is that a defender btw?) and at bench. So that means I'm either a forward, a goalie, or the worst player ever. I'm going over vote data to see what I can find.


Was a busy weekend for me so didn't get a chance to PM you any. You know you could have PM'd me too though, right? :)

[PurdueBrad]

Hehe, that wasn't a shot at you Alan, more that I just don't have much this game! Sorry, but hey, I'll PM you just so I can say I did it!

[PurdueBrad]

Yay, Alan and I talked privately...


Hmmm, that sounds dirty.

[claphamsa]

yes, yes it does!

[PurdueBrad]

yes, yes it does!

Jealous?

[Lorena]

I have to run a few errands and won't be arround by deadline so this vote will be quick.

I'm basically looking at Day 1 votes and the pile on MartinD who ended up being a villager. 1 wolf was definitely in there at the end and I'm pretty sure there's another wolf in there somewhere, just haven't figured out who. I'm also looking at the no-lynch group, but not as closely.

vote lerriuqs

[claphamsa]

kinda?

[lerriuqs]

Well nice to see people vote on exactly nothing at all...

[claphamsa]

at least she voted....

Actually im not sure if i voted or not!

[Alan T]

Well nice to see people vote on exactly nothing at all...


If you're going to go head to head vs someone else, who would you rather everyone vote for instead of you?

[KWhit]

Anybody have a vote count?

[Alan T]

I am not overly wild about a vote for lerriuqs right now. I don't have any information leading me to think he is good, but I don't really get a bad vibe from him yet either. more of an indifferent feeling right now. Combine that with him actually being one of our leading players thus far, I want to look at other possibilities.

[JAG]

I'd rather a vote between two people who haven't gotten votes thus far. I don't really have a good feel for candidates though I wouldn't be inclined to vote for GE or lerriuqs today unless I really had to.

[lerriuqs]

If you're going to go head to head vs someone else, who would you rather everyone vote for instead of you?

Well, a good starting place IMO is Jackal. I think there's at least one wolf that voted Golden Eagle on Day 2. My secondary looks would be at Lathum - the fact he went after CR and he's dead now is suspicious - LSG said he wouldn't have done that, but that's exactly the type of thing Lathum would do.

I'm also looking at LSG right now. As the cultist last game, she was working very hard to start the vote early pretty much every day and got support. She attempted it Day 2 on CR and now is trying it again on Day 3 with me.

[lerriuqs]

I'd rather a vote between two people who haven't gotten votes thus far. I don't really have a good feel for candidates though I wouldn't be inclined to vote for GE or lerriuqs today unless I really had to.

Why is GE a good vote? The way the day went down, it looked pretty clear that he was simply wolf fodder. I could be wrong but it went a little too clean IMO for him to be a wolf.

[lerriuqs]

I feel like I have been totally useless this game. The only time I can get on is early in the morning and after work, so my votes are usually irrelevant.

I haven't recieved a PM all game, even when I was on the bench the first game, which makes me want to look at the others on the bench. I know that if had the opportunity I would have pm'ed everybody to talk it up, but due to time restrains I never could. I also know that if I was a wolf I probably would have pmed everybody to get a feel for who might have any special roles, so my wolf gang could get rid of them. Because I feel this way I, for the time being, am goin to assume that Telle, GE, and PurdueBrad are good. I also dont think that Lathum would have went head to head with CR if he was a wolf, because it would look back when CR turned up good and Lathum was still alive. And we all have Kwhit and Alant in our COT...

Looking at votes, the first day in particular JAG threw a useless late vote onto Lerriuqs while Lerriuqs and Danny (wolf) jumped on the tail end of a Martin Bandwagon

So if I had to get the ball rolling today I would want a run off between Lerriuqs and JAG

vote lerriuqs

It was not a tail end of the bandwagon when I voted. Alan T and I voted at the same time when it was still 6-5 Martin D over no lynch. I stated that I had no interest in No lynch leading up to the time and followed through to ensure it wasn't. If that's the best you've got, you need to look a lot harder at your vote.

[The Jackal]

I don't really have a read on lerriuqs at this point. I think we learn the most if we lynch GE, knowing that doesn't say good things about me if he is good. Also, I was slightly put off that he didn't respond to any of the PM's this weekend from the bench players. Even though we didn't say much, it's easy to not get caught when you don't say anything.

This isn't set in stone, but better than having a runaway on lerriuqs:

Vote GE

[JAG]

Why is GE a good vote? The way the day went down, it looked pretty clear that he was simply wolf fodder. I could be wrong but it went a little too clean IMO for him to be a wolf.

? I said I would not be inclined to vote for you or GE.

[The Jackal]

I'd rather a vote between two people who haven't gotten votes thus far. I don't really have a good feel for candidates though I wouldn't be inclined to vote for GE or lerriuqs today unless I really had to.

Isn't that counter-intuitive to using voting records? I'm all ears for a good candidate, but there isn't a ton to go off.

[lerriuqs]

? I said I would not be inclined to vote for you or GE.

Sorry...misread.

[Alan T]

I'm also looking at LSG right now. As the cultist last game, she was working very hard to start the vote early pretty much every day and got support. She attempted it Day 2 on CR and now is trying it again on Day 3 with me.


I'm not one to normally defend LSG, she pretty much has let me know she doesn't really care much for me.. but in her defense she has said her Real life schedule forces her to vote early with this deadline. It is pretty taboo to lie about real life stuff like that in these games, So I'll assume she's being honest there and it is not some ploy.

[JAG]

Isn't that counter-intuitive to using voting records? I'm all ears for a good candidate, but there isn't a ton to go off.

My point being that we don't have a great voting record to examine at this point (no lynch getting a number of votes each day) and that by introducing other people to the voting, we have a chance to build more information quickly about others instead of, for example, taking a couple days to find out GE is a villager (I remember this happening in Abe's last game, where we took two days to lynch Pass). Obviously if I'm wrong about some of the people who have received votes and they are wolves or the candidates we select turn out to be villagers then that wouldn't work out too well.

[Alan T]

I don't really have a read on lerriuqs at this point. I think we learn the most if we lynch GE, knowing that doesn't say good things about me if he is good. Also, I was slightly put off that he didn't respond to any of the PM's this weekend from the bench players. Even though we didn't say much, it's easy to not get caught when you don't say anything.

This isn't set in stone, but better than having a runaway on lerriuqs:

Vote GE


You know.. this morning I did look back at the voting records just to see what I could learn.. and I decided earlier today that they don't tell us anything thus far this game. So far every day has been about either lynching someone or not lynching anyone. The votes have pretty much been split each day with the same people voting no lynch vs the lynchers having to choose the player that was going to be able to compete with the no lynch vote.

From what I can tell, people are voting an individual just to get some kind of lynch. So I am hoping that with the whole no lynch debate behind us now, we can actually start moving forward this game.

That said, lynching Goldeneagle doesn't tell me much of anything after I looked back at the votes. Pretty much everyone who voted him did so just to try to get a lynch (or could use that argument).

My -GUESS- is that Goldeneagle is good, and a lynch there won't tell us anything. Even if he is bad, a lynch there won't lead us anywhere really easily. I think that is a wasted vote today.

[claphamsa]

who u voting for then?

[claphamsa]

ugh, i hope someone does a vote count, im too lazy :) ( and actually kinda working)

[The Jackal]

Who would you look at, Alan? I'm not set on voting for GE. I know he had mentioned Darth as a possibility.

[Alan T]

Who would you look at, Alan? I'm not set on voting for GE. I know he had mentioned Darth as a possibility.


I am still debating. Right now I'm leaning towards my same vote from yesterday (voting for you - The Jackal). Your performance in yesterday's game on the bench didn't give any reason to protect you for score reasons.

[Lathum]

I don't have much of a read on Darth since this is the first game I am playing in with him. He had a solid game as seer last game and has mentioned it in a joking sort af way.

That's all fine and good with me, but I am wondering if he is trying to make it seem like we need to keep him around because of his solid play from last game.

Plus it seems like he and Danny have had no interaction while Danny was alive, after having a decent amount last game, maybe they are trying to stay clear of each other?

[Alan T]

Plus it seems like he and Danny have had no interaction while Danny was alive, after having a decent amount last game, maybe they are trying to stay clear of each other?

I was too busy to read and follow along in last game. Do other people have a similar take as Lathum's here regarding DV's play with Danny from last game to this one?

[Lathum]

Vote Darth Vilius

[Lathum]

my vote likely stands, I'll be out all day sight seeing with my parents being in town.

[The Jackal]

I am still debating. Right now I'm leaning towards my same vote from yesterday (voting for you - The Jackal). Your performance in yesterday's game on the bench didn't give any reason to protect you for score reasons.

So you're still going off your gut about my reactions from day 1? The scoring is random, anyways, but I know I haven't been useful.

[GoldenEagle]

Lerriqus is safe in my book, because if he was a wolf, he could have just voted elsewhere and I would have been lynched. So my COT is:

KWhit
AlanT
Lerriqus
Myself

That leaves:
clap
Telle
PurdueBrad
JAG
J23
The Jackal
DaddyTorgo
Schmidty
Lathum
Darth Vilus
Lorena
Lone Star Girl

Those who voted for both MartinD and me:
Lathum
The Jackal
Clap
Schmidty

[DaddyTorgo]

lathum's still alive...

just sayin ;)

[Lathum]

Lerriqus is safe in my book, because if he was a wolf, he could have just voted elsewhere and I would have been lynched.

unless you are both wolves, so lynching one of you may actually tell us a lot.

But FWIW I think he is also clear, IMO it isn't his style to argue for a lynch day 1 as a wolf, I think he would sit back and let other people fight with each other.

[Alan T]

So you're still going off your gut about my reactions from day 1? The scoring is random, anyways, but I know I haven't been useful.


Yeah, love me or hate me.. in the absence of any facts, I trust my instincts over other people's instincts. It is not like i haven't been open about trying to find other options. I haven't seen a compelling case made for anyone else so far. The closest might be what Lathum just mentioned, but I'd rather someone else confirm that thought before blindly trusting him there as well.

[lerriuqs]

While I don't disagree with Lathum's position on this...I'm leaning towards Jackal at this point.

Vote The Jackal

[claphamsa]

Vote The Jackal

i feel some work coming on :( so ill vote and hope its a bad feeling

[lerriuqs]

As of 634:

Lerriuqs 2 - LSG (590), Lorena (603)
The Jackal 1 - lerriuqs (634)
Darth Villus 1 - Lathum (627)
GE 1 - The Jackal (614)

[lerriuqs]

As of 635:

Lerriuqs 2 - LSG (590), Lorena (603)
The Jackal 2 - lerriuqs (634), clap (635)
Darth Villus 1 - Lathum (627)
GE 1 - The Jackal (614)

[GoldenEagle]

VOTE The Jackal

[Lathum]

lathum's still alive...

just sayin ;)

I know, wtf is up with that?

[The Jackal]

Three votes in three minutes? Thanks, guys.

unvote GE

vote lerriuqs

[The Jackal]

Don't like that hit and run vote from GE, either. You guys are voting me because of Alan's feeling, or what? If there's one thing I hate, it's votes that aren't explained.

[The Jackal]

I missed the earlier post from GE outlining his CoT and showing the people that voted for both him and Martin, so that's better than a hit and run, but jeez.

[Alan T]

So it is 3-3 lerriuqs vs Jackal now?

[GoldenEagle]

Three votes in three minutes? Thanks, guys.

unvote GE

vote lerriuqs

Do you have any reason why we should not vote for you?

[The Jackal]

Do you have any reason why we should not vote for you?

I might. But really it's just the lack of case against me - if you are good then you know I've voted twice for good people, but so have others. I can't make a case as far as my value to the team because my only appearance in the lineup was out of position, but we don't yet know what I am good at.

[The Jackal]

I'll say that I'm inclined to follow Lathum, if anyone. I know Alan is cleared and his gut was right once, but he's off on me. I know you have reason to vote for me (GE) because I've voted for you, but like I said I'm not set on you being bad.

I'm not sure where Lerriuqs is coming from, and clap votes me in almost every single game we play.

[lerriuqs]

Don't like that hit and run vote from GE, either. You guys are voting me because of Alan's feeling, or what? If there's one thing I hate, it's votes that aren't explained.

I mentioned you before Alan did...

[J23]

There was certainly back and forth last game between them. With Danny dying early, it might have just been a lack of time for it to develop, or it could be them trying to not be associated with each other. I'll back Lathum's reasoning for now and see where this goes at least.

Vote Darth Vilius

[Alan T]

I might. But really it's just the lack of case against me - if you are good then you know I've voted twice for good people, but so have others. I can't make a case as far as my value to the team because my only appearance in the lineup was out of position, but we don't yet know what I am good at.


You were a bench player yesterday and wern't listed among the higher scorers for an average there either right?

It could be said that you got the unlucky die rolls for all or most of your positions right? Obviously that has nothing to do with your being a wolf or not however, just less risk if we are wrong with you than if we were wrong with lerriuqs correct?

[The Jackal]

I mentioned you before Alan did...

Alan has been on me since day 1. You may have mentioned me first this morning, but definitely not first. Why are you after me, then? I'm only on you because of self-defense, obviously.

[lerriuqs]

As of 647:

Lerriuqs 2 - LSG (590), Lorena (603), The Jackal (640)
The Jackal 2 - lerriuqs (634), clap (635), GoldenEagle (638)
Darth Villus 1 - Lathum (627)

[KWhit]

Day 1:

The match is a tough affair – the squad falls 0-1 early, but a late goal equalizes, and the match ends in a 1-1 draw. Man of the Match is Darth Vilus. The squad will feel they might have scored more goals, if not for J23, who would not recognize the great game by Darth, and took too many shots himself.

The skill levels, in descending order:

1. Darth Vilus, Striker, 94
2. Alan T, Center Back, 81
3. lerriuqs, Full Back, 65
4. Schmidty, Center Midfielder, 54
5. DaddyTorgo, Full Back, 52
6. JAG, Winger, 28
7. Mia Ow, Winger, 28
8. claphamsa, Winger, 24
9. Lathum, Center Back, 22
10. The Jackal, Goalkeeper, 15
11. J23, Striker, 14

Bench players:

1. LoneStarGirl, 62
2. PurdueBrad, 48
3. Chief Rum, 46
4. Telle, 45
5. GoldenEagle, 43

Total: 633
Result: Draw
Points: 1

Day 2:

Another bore draw for WW United. Poor Goalkeeping seems to be the squad’s new trademark, as Telle lets in a couple questionable goals. The squad bounces back from 2-0 to draw the match at 2-2 in the end. Man of the Match is Schmidty. While in Game 1, LoneStarGirl was considered to be a real hero coming off the bench, she seemed lost out there as a starter in the central midfield.

The skill levels, in descending order:

1. Schmidty, Winger, 94
2. Darth Vilus, Striker, 94
3. Alan T, Center Back, 81
4. lerriuqs, Full Back, 65
5. DaddyTorgo, Central Midfielder, 41
6. PurdueBrad, Center Back, 31
7. Telle, Goalkeeper, 17
8. claphamsa, Winger, 14
9. Lathum, Striker, 12
10. LoneStarGirl, Central Midfielder, 8

Bench players:

1. GoldenEagle, 59
2. Mia Ow, 58
3. J23, 48
4. JAG, 40

Total: 622
Result: Draw
Points: 2


Pass. What's the deal with GE's average skill level? Is it 43 or 59?

[J23]

Wow, 10 posts since I typed that up (damn phone calls). Might have to re-think my vote if we're in run-off mode.

[The Jackal]

You were a bench player yesterday and wern't listed among the higher scorers for an average there either right?

It could be said that you got the unlucky die rolls for all or most of your positions right? Obviously that has nothing to do with your being a wolf or not however, just less risk if we are wrong with you than if we were wrong with lerriuqs correct?

It's possible there is less risk with me, I really don't know how the random numbers work. It could be that I'm an incredible striker and haven't been employed in that area yet.

[KWhit]

Lerriuqs has been a decent player for us, starting at Fullback with a skill level of 65. Not great, but better than most of you schlubs. Without compelling evidence to vote for him (which I haven't seen any of), I will place my vote elsewhere.

Vote The Jackal

[The Jackal]

But I mean if we're looking at numbers - clap has been a 24 and 14, Telle just as bad as I (and she missed a vote and has barely said anything), Lathum a 22 and 12, JAG a 28 and 40 .. I'm not the only one who's been performing poorly.

[lerriuqs]

Alan has been on me since day 1. You may have mentioned me first this morning, but definitely not first. Why are you after me, then? I'm only on you because of self-defense, obviously.

Well, the way I look at it, IMO, there's at least one wolf right in the middle of the vote on Martin and GE from the first two days. I picked you. Though I can certainly be convinced to change my vote at this point.

[Alan T]

Alan has been on me since day 1.


Eh, I don't want my place mis-represented here. I haven't been on you since day 1 I don't think at least. (Did I vote you day 1? I thought I voted MartinD?) Day 2, it was more I just was going on a gut feeling, and it wasn't anything that I pushed anyone else to go with.

Today I'm considering voting for you since I haven't seen anything else I like just as much or more. I haven't voted yet and am considering my choices. You keep saying that there is no proof against you though, but if there was proof or reason to vote for anyone, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. You just may very well have drawn the short stick is all, unless there is some convincing that someone can do to point me elsewhere.

Anyhows, people voting for you aren't voting "with me". I haven't voted yet and haven't honestly fully made up my mind.

[KWhit]

Also, Pass:

I should have gotten info for The Jackal as a bench player on day 2.

[lerriuqs]

Fixed 651
As of 647:

Lerriuqs 3 - LSG (590), Lorena (603), The Jackal (640)
The Jackal 3 - lerriuqs (634), clap (635), GoldenEagle (638)
Darth Villus 1 - Lathum (627)

And updated...

Lerriuqs 3 - LSG (590), Lorena (603), The Jackal (640)
The Jackal 3 - lerriuqs (634), clap (635), GoldenEagle (638)
Darth Villus 2 - Lathum (627), J23 (648)

[claphamsa]

wow, yalls start talking as soon as I start working.....

[lerriuqs]

Wow, 10 posts since I typed that up (damn phone calls). Might have to re-think my vote if we're in run-off mode.

I don't think we're in run off territory yet. We have three very close together right now...

[GoldenEagle]

Day 1:



Day 2:




Pass. What's the deal with GE's average skill level? Is it 43 or 59?

I believe Pass said my skill was averaged incorrectly and this is actually a 59.

[The Jackal]

I mentioned those last two names on purpose (Lathum and JAG). I might as well reveal now, as I actually might have to step out for a bit - I should be around to answer some questions before deadline though.

I'm the Wanderer. On night 1 I followed Lathum (why not, right?). Night 2 I followed JAG (some of his posts were striking me as odd, framed as helpful like when he's been a villager in the past, but they didn't feel right), though I'm kind of regretting not following GE. Both Lathum and JAG turned up not werewolves. Sorry that I didn't catch anyone, but at least those two are cleared in the open.

I didn't want to reveal, but y'all aren't giving me much of a choice.

[lerriuqs]

As of 662
Lerriuqs 3 - LSG (590), Lorena (603), The Jackal (640)
The Jackal 3 - lerriuqs (634), clap (635), GoldenEagle (638), KWhit (655)
Darth Villus 2 - Lathum (627), J23 (648)

[The Jackal]

Eh, I don't want my place mis-represented here. I haven't been on you since day 1 I don't think at least. (Did I vote you day 1? I thought I voted MartinD?) Day 2, it was more I just was going on a gut feeling, and it wasn't anything that I pushed anyone else to go with.

Today I'm considering voting for you since I haven't seen anything else I like just as much or more. I haven't voted yet and am considering my choices. You keep saying that there is no proof against you though, but if there was proof or reason to vote for anyone, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. You just may very well have drawn the short stick is all, unless there is some convincing that someone can do to point me elsewhere.

Anyhows, people voting for you aren't voting "with me". I haven't voted yet and haven't honestly fully made up my mind.

Sorry, didn't mean to mis-represent. You did vote Martin as far as I can recall, but you were talking about your gut feeling on me very early on. And I know that people have a strong tendency to follow your gut, even if they won't claim it as a reason, as it is normally very good (see Danny).

[JAG]

I don't have much of a read on Darth since this is the first game I am playing in with him. He had a solid game as seer last game and has mentioned it in a joking sort af way.

That's all fine and good with me, but I am wondering if he is trying to make it seem like we need to keep him around because of his solid play from last game.

Plus it seems like he and Danny have had no interaction while Danny was alive, after having a decent amount last game, maybe they are trying to stay clear of each other?

Actually, Danny responded to a post of his on D1, but Danny was also pretty much absent from the thread until near deadline.

[lerriuqs]

I mentioned those last two names on purpose (Lathum and JAG). I might as well reveal now, as I actually might have to step out for a bit - I should be around to answer some questions before deadline though.

I'm the Wanderer. On night 1 I followed Lathum (why not, right?). Night 2 I followed JAG (some of his posts were striking me as odd, framed as helpful like when he's been a villager in the past, but they didn't feel right), though I'm kind of regretting not following GE. Both Lathum and JAG turned up not werewolves. Sorry that I didn't catch anyone, but at least those two are cleared in the open.

I didn't want to reveal, but y'all aren't giving me much of a choice.

Jackal, I'm willing to move and do think I believe you, but I'm going to wait just a bit to see if we have a counter reveal...

[The Jackal]

KWhit - I didn't tell you about my role during our PMs because I wasn't fully sure you weren't corruptable.

[claphamsa]

KWhit - I didn't tell you about my role during our PMs because I wasn't fully sure you weren't corruptable.


really?

I am suddenly very confidednt of my vote!

[The Jackal]

Jackal, I'm willing to move and do think I believe you, but I'm going to wait just a bit to see if we have a counter reveal...

Yeah, I left a little time on purpose for a counter-reveal to see if a wolf would be flushed out, but that'd probably only be the case if you or Darth are wolves.

[GoldenEagle]

KWhit - I didn't tell you about my role during our PMs because I wasn't fully sure you weren't corruptable.

That makes no sense at all. It has been known since the beginning that KWhit is the team manager. You have a great reason to PM with the manager and let him know you are the seer so that he can help protect you and you failed to do so.

It seems to me that you are conversing with the other wolves and they saw that you had exposed yourself and told you to correct it.

I am not inclined to lynch you at this moment, but stuff is just not adding up.

[Lathum]

I'll say that I'm inclined to follow Lathum, if anyone.

This makes me scratch my head a little.

First off why follow me more than anyone else?

It's almost as if you are trying to connect you and I somehow. Is it because you are a wolf and if you go down you want people to lok at me next?

[The Jackal]

really?

I am suddenly very confidednt of my vote!

Yes, really. We don't know anything about what roles the wolves can have - and I didn't want to throw away my role just in case that was a possibility.

I'm feeling worse and worse about you, clap.

[The Jackal]

This makes me scratch my head a little.

First off why follow me more than anyone else?

It's almost as if you are trying to connect you and I somehow. Is it because you are a wolf and if you go down you want people to lok at me next?

I only said that because I know you are good, Lathum.

[JAG]

Well that sucks even if it clears me.

[KWhit]

Pass, help me out.

Here's my game 2 lineup. That matches what I have in my PM to you, so we're good there.

You gather round as KWhit reveals his lineup for today's match. Maybe with one match under his belt, he'll have the experience he needs to get you a win?

*Starters:*
1 Goalkeeper - Telle
2 Center Backs - AlanT, PurdueBrad
2 Full Backs - Schmidty, lerriuqs
2 Central Midfielders - DaddyTorgo, LoneStarGirl
2 Wingers - Chief Rum, Claphamsa
2 Strikers - Darth Vilus, Lathum

*Bench:*
JAG
Mia Ow
J23
The Jackal
Golden Eagle



But then there's this, which seems to say that Schmidty played at winger (I had him listed at fullback). I already mentioned that I'm missing the average result for The Jackal, and my confusion regarding GE's average score. Can you clear these discrepancies up for me?


Another bore draw for WW United. Poor Goalkeeping seems to be the squad’s new trademark, as Telle lets in a couple questionable goals. The squad bounces back from 2-0 to draw the match at 2-2 in the end. Man of the Match is Schmidty. While in Game 1, LoneStarGirl was considered to be a real hero coming off the bench, she seemed lost out there as a starter in the central midfield.

The skill levels, in descending order:

1. Schmidty, Winger, 94
2. Darth Vilus, Striker, 94
3. Alan T, Center Back, 81
4. lerriuqs, Full Back, 65
5. DaddyTorgo, Central Midfielder, 41
6. PurdueBrad, Center Back, 31
7. Telle, Goalkeeper, 17
8. claphamsa, Winger, 14
9. Lathum, Striker, 12
10. LoneStarGirl, Central Midfielder, 8

Bench players:

1. GoldenEagle, 59
2. Mia Ow, 58
3. J23, 48
4. JAG, 40

Total: 622
Result: Draw
Points: 2

[The Jackal]

That makes no sense at all. It has been known since the beginning that KWhit is the team manager. You have a great reason to PM with the manager and let him know you are the seer so that he can help protect you and you failed to do so.

It seems to me that you are conversing with the other wolves and they saw that you had exposed yourself and told you to correct it.

I am not inclined to lynch you at this moment, but stuff is just not adding up.

I know, I was probably being over-careful in that regard. I told KWhit that it probably wouldn't hurt to tell him if I had a role, but at that point I was still worried. I wanted to lay low, and also, if KWhit was in the thread covering for me - that would have been a HUGE sign for the wolves to pick me off.

[JAG]

Yes, really. We don't know anything about what roles the wolves can have - and I didn't want to throw away my role just in case that was a possibility.

I'm feeling worse and worse about you, clap.

Pass specifically said earlier that he never has conversions in his games FYI.

[claphamsa]

Yes, really. We don't know anything about what roles the wolves can have - and I didn't want to throw away my role just in case that was a possibility.

I'm feeling worse and worse about you, clap.

you can feel as bad about me as you want, but your wolf ass needs to get lynched, and go read the last game if you wanna see how to fake reveal!

[claphamsa]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT REVEAL BACK! WEVE CAUGHT A WOLF HES TRYING TO GET YOU TO REVEAL!

[lerriuqs]

I know, I was probably being over-careful in that regard. I told KWhit that it probably wouldn't hurt to tell him if I had a role, but at that point I was still worried. I wanted to lay low, and also, if KWhit was in the thread covering for me - that would have been a HUGE sign for the wolves to pick me off.
This makes sense to me.

Jackal, I'm inclined to believe you. We have an hour until deadline, so I'm going to try to take this in a different route. Someone who has been uncharacteristically quiet. I know he doesn't talk a lot, but he does more than I've seen this game.

Unvote Jackal

Vote Daddytorgo

[The Jackal]

Pass specifically said earlier that he never has conversions in his games FYI.

I missed that - but we can't lynch KWhit anyways, can we? So a conversion in this case may have just been to try and play the crappiest roster possible. It was a mistake on my part maybe to not confide in KWhit, but again, I didn't want him to be covering for me in the thread.

[Lathum]

I only said that because I know you are good, Lathum.

Yeah, I hadn't gotten to your reveal yet.

I think it is pretty early for a reveal, but unless it is countered there is no reason to lynch you today.

Leaving in a few and I think my vote stays on Darth.

[KWhit]

KWhit - I didn't tell you about my role during our PMs because I wasn't fully sure you weren't corruptable.

Wow. Can't say that makes any sense at all.

Pass specifically said he never has any conversions in his games.

(Although now that I think about it, I don't know exactly when he said that). I may have to go back and check that.

[JAG]

Sorry, The Jackal -- you were on the bench, contributing 46.

KWhit, here you go.

[Passacaglia]

Day 1:



Day 2:




Pass. What's the deal with GE's average skill level? Is it 43 or 59?

There's a post that clears it up, but rather than find it, I'll just tell you -- it's 59. I messed it up the first time, but it shouldn't have affected anything.

[Passacaglia]

Also, Pass:

I should have gotten info for The Jackal as a bench player on day 2.

Whoops. The Jackal's bench score is 46.

[The Jackal]

I'll take that bit of good faith from you and move to the other candidate who's on the radar.

unvote lerriuqs

vote darth

[claphamsa]

This makes sense to me.

Jackal, I'm inclined to believe you. We have an hour until deadline, so I'm going to try to take this in a different route. Someone who has been uncharacteristically quiet. I know he doesn't talk a lot, but he does more than I've seen this game.

Unvote Jackal

Vote Daddytorgo
wait what? jackyl fake revelaed trying to get the wanderer (whatever that is)

then he got caught lying about talking to kwit, and you unvote him?

[GoldenEagle]

Still an an hour and 15 minutes to go to the deadline and things are flying.

My initial thought is to take my vote off of The Jackal and then see if he is still here tomorrow.

[The Jackal]

Wow. Can't say that makes any sense at all.

Pass specifically said he never has any conversions in his games.

(Although now that I think about it, I don't know exactly when he said that). I may have to go back and check that.

Yeah, JAG just pointed that out as well. I was being foolish, I admit it, but I haven't been the seer in so long that I didn't want something that simple to ruin it - and if I'd told you and Alan had pushed harder for voting me on Day 2 and you'd jumped to my defense after we were able to PM - big sign for the wolves. Unfortunately I ended up having to come out this early anyways, but that's what happens sometimes.

[The Jackal]

wait what? jackyl fake revelaed trying to get the wanderer (whatever that is)

then he got caught lying about talking to kwit, and you unvote him?

I did offer that message to KWhit before he said anything, you realize. I've been thinking about it the whole game. It's not like he called me out on it.

[Passacaglia]

Pass, help me out.

Here's my game 2 lineup. That matches what I have in my PM to you, so we're good there.




But then there's this, which seems to say that Schmidty played at winger (I had him listed at fullback). I already mentioned that I'm missing the average result for The Jackal, and my confusion regarding GE's average score. Can you clear these discrepancies up for me?

Geez -- I can't believe the number of mistakes I'm making here! Sorry about that! Schmidty did actually play as a full back, and I just typed in the wrong word.

[KWhit]

No problem. Thanks for the info.

[The Jackal]

I have to step out, will try to make it quick. Should be back by 2:30ish.

[Lathum]

wait what? jackyl fake revelaed trying to get the wanderer (whatever that is)

then he got caught lying about talking to kwit, and you unvote him?

Clap-

There is no reason to lynch Jackal today. With the BG gone the wolfs will undoubtedly kill him tonight.

If he is alive tomorrow he is obviously lying and we lynch him then.

Killing Jackal is a poor move for us IMO, we are giving the wolves a free kill. If we kill JAckal today it gives the wolves a shot at another villager tonight.

If we go elsewhere with our lynch today we have a shot at a wolf even if Jackal is lying and is a wolf there are still probably 2 more out there.

[KWhit]

Okay. I'm inclined to move my vote off The Jackal. I don't necessarily believe him, but if he's lying it will come out eventually.

If he is lying, I DO NOT think it's a good idea for the real seer to reveal today. Wait until you have to reveal or until you have nabbed a wolf or cleared a lot of villagers, whatever. But we can put off voting for The Jackal today - even if he's lying.

The truth will come out eventually. He'll either wind up dead by wolves (if he's the real seer), or if he's lying the real seer can reveal later on and we nab Jackal then.

Unvote The Jackal.

[Passacaglia]

Here's my vote count (note that an earlier vote count by lerriuqs had a counting mistake):


lerriuqs 2 -- LoneStarGirl (590) Lorena (603)
GoldenEagle 0 --
Darth Vilus 3 -- Lathum (627) J23 (648) The Jackal (689)
The Jackal 2 -- claphamsa (635) GoldenEagle (638)
DaddyTorgo 1 -- lerriuqs (682)

[claphamsa]

Clap-

There is no reason to lynch Jackal today. With the BG gone the wolfs will undoubtedly kill him tonight.

If he is alive tomorrow he is obviously lying and we lynch him then.

Killing Jackal is a poor move for us IMO, we are giving the wolves a free kill. If we kill JAckal today it gives the wolves a shot at another villager tonight.

If we go elsewhere with our lynch today we have a shot at a wolf even if Jackal is lying and is a wolf there are still probably 2 more out there.
hmmm, interesting.....

[claphamsa]

ok, lathum convinced me....

vote jackyl
vote lerriqs

[KWhit]

Does anybody have an updated list of who's still alive? I feel like this list is missing some data:

1. claphamsa
2. Telle
3. KWhit
4. PurdueBrad
5. JAG
6. J23
7. lerriuqs
8. The Jackal
9. DaddyTorgo
10. Schmidty
11. Lathum
12. Chief Rum, killed by wolves Night 2, Tough Guy
13. MartinD, Lynched Day 1, Player
14. Alan T
15. GoldenEagle
16. Darth Vilus
17. Lorena
18. Danny, killed by Alan T, the Jealous Player, Night 1, Wolf
19. LoneStarGirl

[lerriuqs]

ok, lathum convinced me....

vote jackyl
vote lerriqs


So why'd you go here?

[lerriuqs]

Does anybody have an updated list of who's still alive? I feel like this list is missing some data:

1. claphamsa
2. Telle
3. KWhit
4. PurdueBrad
5. JAG
6. J23
7. lerriuqs
8. The Jackal
9. DaddyTorgo
10. Schmidty
11. Lathum
12. Chief Rum, killed by wolves Night 2, Tough Guy
13. MartinD, Lynched Day 1, Player
14. Alan T
15. GoldenEagle
16. Darth Vilus
17. Lorena
18. Danny, killed by Alan T, the Jealous Player, Night 1, Wolf
19. LoneStarGirl

This list is right. Just make sure you sub someone in if someone is killed overnight.

[KWhit]

And why are you people voting for our best player (Darth Vilus)?????

There is no evidence against him. It makes no sense to lynch him now unless you have some evidence.

[Alan T]

I don't like people are voting for Darth Vilus or Lerriuqs here at all.

I agree it makes no sense to vote The Jackal today. he will die tonight and if he doesn't, he gets lynched tomorrow.

Lets vote somewhere else.. and do it soon


Vote J23

[GoldenEagle]

What is the reasoning on him Alan?

[KWhit]

Vote Lathum.

I feel like he has been pushing against our best interests the whole game - trying to ignore one of our avenues to victory (winning games) and is now pushing for the lynch of our best player with no evidence. It doesn't make sense.

[Alan T]

What is the reasoning on him Alan?


Yesterday I was torn between TheJackal and J23. I decided to go with the Jackal, but no good reason other than gut. Same for J23, was just a gut feeling more than anything else. I don't have any reasoning for him at all other than we know lynching him won't hurt us in the game (like everyone else's votes on Darth and lerriuqs will). Since no one has given me anything good to go on to go elsewhere, i went there.

Not asking for people to vote for him, but before you throw out votes for people without any good reason perhaps everyone should stay away from the better scorers unless we have a good reason not to.

[JAG]

Vote Lathum.

I feel like he has been pushing against our best interests the whole game - trying to ignore one of our avenues to victory (winning games) and is now pushing for the lynch of our best player with no evidence. It doesn't make sense.

He was cleared by the seer, assuming Jackal is telling the truth.

[GoldenEagle]

Vote Lathum.

I feel like he has been pushing against our best interests the whole game - trying to ignore one of our avenues to victory (winning games) and is now pushing for the lynch of our best player with no evidence. It doesn't make sense.

Gaffer, with all due respect, you have kept the best player on team sitting on the bench. Maybe I will finally get a run-about today, yea?

[GoldenEagle]

He was cleared by the seer, assuming Jackal is telling the truth.

Right. That is why I don't favor voting for Lathum or JAG today.

[lerriuqs]

I don't like people are voting for Darth Vilus or Lerriuqs here at all.

I agree it makes no sense to vote The Jackal today. he will die tonight and if he doesn't, he gets lynched tomorrow.

Lets vote somewhere else.. and do it soon


Vote J23

I can go with that...

Unvote Daddytorgo

Vote J23

[KWhit]

He was cleared by the seer, assuming Jackal is telling the truth.

Crap. Well, duh.

Yeah, so:

Unvote Lathum

[Passacaglia]

Vote count:


lerriuqs 3 -- LoneStarGirl (590) Lorena (603) claphamsa (701)
GoldenEagle 0 --
Darth Vilus 3 -- Lathum (627) J23 (648) The Jackal (689)
The Jackal 1 -- GoldenEagle (638)
DaddyTorgo 0 --
J23 2 -- Alan T (706) lerriuqs (713)
Lathum 1 -- Kwhit (708)

[KWhit]

Vote J23

[DaddyTorgo]

i should be around till deadline, but no way we want to lynch darth

VOTE J23

[claphamsa]

i should be around till deadline, but no way we want to lynch darth

VOTE J23
why not?

[DaddyTorgo]

he's giving us tons of points

[DaddyTorgo]

there's much more productive avenues to go to first.

and as for me being quiet - yes i have been. work is in a very busy time right now. going out of town in a week and have two proposals to finish up first, as well as all the travel-related stuff, and opening up our satellite office and doing all the IT for that.

[claphamsa]

he's giving us tons of points
fair enouhg

[Passacaglia]

New vote count:


lerriuqs 3 -- LoneStarGirl (590) Lorena (603) claphamsa (701)
GoldenEagle 0 --
Darth Vilus 3 -- Lathum (627) J23 (648) The Jackal (689)
The Jackal 1 -- GoldenEagle (638)
DaddyTorgo 0 --
J23 4 -- Alan T (706) lerriuqs (713) Kwhit (716) DaddyTorgo (717)
Lathum 0 --

[The Jackal]

You are right, probably shouldn't be voting for Darth. I'm not sure where this run on J came from, but I'll keep it close by shifting back to lerriuqs.

unvote darth

vote lerriuqs

[Schmidty]

Holy crap. There are a lot of pages to catch up with, and I have no time. I woke up, took the kid to school, went to the doctor and didn't have time to get on the computer until now. I also only have about 5-10 minutes because I have to meet my wife for lunch at noon my time.

Can someone sum up what the heck is going on?

[J23]

Wow, where did all of this come from? I had a bad game as a striker, but my average was 48, above a few other people. Why all of a sudden are people trying to lynch me here?

[DaddyTorgo]

schmidty - it's looking like it's going to go lerriuqs vs. j23 today

jackal came out as the seer under pressure but with no wolves...but no counter-reveal so we're giving him a little time to see if the wolves eat him now

[DaddyTorgo]

pb is playing? haven't heard a lot from him (says the guy who also hasn't said a lot)

[Darth Vilus]

Huh, did I miss something, how did i get on the chopping block? Oh well, it happens i guess. I was originally planning to vote Lathum today but have to reconsider after the reveal. Personally I don't believe he's the wanderer, but it doesn't help anyone to vote against that right now. I'll keep that in mind for the future though.

Vote J23

Part self preservation and part hoping to nab a wolf. He wasn't near the top of my list but i don't see why he would vote for me. I don't buy the danny excuse, it looks like he's just trying to take out someone who gets points.

[GoldenEagle]

Wow, where did all of this come from? I had a bad game as a striker, but my average was 48, above a few other people. Why all of a sudden are people trying to lynch me here?

I tend to agree. Alan voted for you first and then everyone else piled on. What is your argument for us not voting for you?

[lerriuqs]

I'd like to hear some thoughts from Telle and Mia when they get a chance as we haven't heard from either of them in the thread in over a day.
Mia's been replaced by Lorena.

[lerriuqs]

Mia's been replaced by Lorena.

Never mind this was looking back and thought it was current...sorry...:banghead:

[lerriuqs]

You are right, probably shouldn't be voting for Darth. I'm not sure where this run on J came from, but I'll keep it close by shifting back to lerriuqs.

unvote darth

vote lerriuqs

So why'd you come back here?

[J23]

I tend to agree. Alan voted for you first and then everyone else piled on. What is your argument for us not voting for you?

I'm not the seer, so I can't really give you a reason other than to say it's a bad lynch. I missed the first day of voting (where a villager got killed) thanks to work, but have tried to be active since. I have an average above a number of bench players, and no clue other than Alan's "gut" of why I'm on the block today.

[The Jackal]

So why'd you come back here?

I didn't really like the pile of votes put on J. I don't really have a read either way on the two of you, but wanted to keep it close. I was the victim of a three vote pile earlier today and they are usually fishy.

There's not enough time to get any other candidates into the mix (not that I have any good ones to suggest), so you just happen to be on the other side of things.

[Schmidty]

I know Alan is one of the only trusted people, but I hate how everyone is following him blindly. But I don't have time, and we need a lynch, not a tie, so I'm going to vote:

Vote J23

Even if he doesn't get lynched, I feel bad that I wasn't able to read everything here before voting.

One other note - I work tomorrow starting at 9 AM my time (3 hours before deadline), so I'll have to vote early. Just letting people know ahead of time.

I'll be back after deadline today. I hope we get this right.

[J23]

If it's really between me and Lerriuqs (which it seems to be), the only reason I'd have to vote him instead of me would be that he voted to lynch MartinD (along with Danny) on day1.

MartinD 9 -- Mia Ow (142) Schmidty (154) Telle (183) claphamsa (192) The Jackal (207) Lathum (262) Alan T (282) lerriuqs (285) Danny (293)

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah - blindly following alan is not a good strategy, that's one thing i think we can all agree on.

(no offense alan, and i think you'd agree)

[KWhit]

Lineup sent.

Crosses fingers.

[J23]

Unvote Darth
Vote Lerriuqs

I think this vote sucks either way honestly.

[Passacaglia]

Vote count:


lerriuqs 5 -- LoneStarGirl (590) Lorena (603) claphamsa (701) lerriuqs (723) J23 (739)
GoldenEagle 0 --
Darth Vilus 1 -- Lathum (627)
The Jackal 1 -- GoldenEagle (638)
DaddyTorgo 0 --
J23 6 -- Alan T (706) lerriuqs (713) Kwhit (716) DaddyTorgo (717) Darth Vilus (728) Schmidty (735)
Lathum 0 --

[GoldenEagle]

I think The Jackal was the most logical candidate for the day. But since he revealed (fake or not), we can't vote him.

I don't really like the run on J23.

Unvote The Jackal

[GoldenEagle]

Wait, lerriqus voted for himself?

[JAG]

VOTE J23

[Passacaglia]

My bad.


lerriuqs 5 -- LoneStarGirl (590) Lorena (603) claphamsa (701) The Jackal (723) J23 (739)
GoldenEagle 0 --
Darth Vilus 1 -- Lathum (627)
The Jackal 0 --
DaddyTorgo 0 --
J23 6 -- Alan T (706) lerriuqs (713) Kwhit (716) DaddyTorgo (717) Darth Vilus (728) Schmidty (735)
Lathum 0 --

[J23]

No, that should be Jackal. Lerriuqs voted for me.

And I still don't know why other than Alan's gut... sigh

[GoldenEagle]

Vote J23

[DaddyTorgo]

i dunno j23...that's tough luck

[claphamsa]

deadline

[Passacaglia]

Final vote count:


lerriuqs 5 -- LoneStarGirl (590) Lorena (603) claphamsa (701) The Jackal (723) J23 (739)
GoldenEagle 0 --
Darth Vilus 1 -- Lathum (627)
The Jackal 0 --
DaddyTorgo 0 --
J23 8 -- Alan T (706) lerriuqs (713) Kwhit (716) DaddyTorgo (717) Darth Vilus (728) Schmidty (735) JAG (743) GoldenEagle (746)
Lathum 0 --

[claphamsa]

one good thing is we should be able to learn a ton from this vote....