WW 103? - 42 Attempts (Game Over - Conspirators Win)

[The Jackal]

Hrm.

[EagleFan]

Night results will take a few minutes to process.

[LoneStarGirl]

Wow... great move Danny... amazing play

[Danny]

Geez EF, when my eyes first crossed that path there I thought we found three traitors today!

[Abe Sargent]

That is such BS. Himmler offically pisses me off.

[Autumn]

Well, that was a bold move. Good intentioned, it seems, but it kind of ruins the vote analysis.

Is that your only time you can do that Danny?

[GoldenEagle]

What a terrible play!

[Chief Rum]

And what you did wasn't suspicious at all?

What I did was no more suspicious than what Danny or JAG did. I voted for someone who made a suspicious vote.

Unfortunately, you were apparently a loyal Nazi, so it wasn't a good move for the Party.

[Danny]

Wow... great move Danny... amazing play

I am sorry you died, but we lost a vanilla Nazi and I feel really good about DT and I am cleared now, so I am content with the move.

[Abe Sargent]

I am sorry you died, but we lost a vanilla Nazi and I feel really good about DT and I am cleared now, so I am content with the move.

Give me your reason for being okay with DT right now, plz

[Abe Sargent]

Give me your reason for being okay with DT right now, plz

This "right now" is not meant to be a snooty "Right Now, bitch" but a "currently"

[The Jackal]

I feel good about the way DT responded to the events, honestly. He's not fully cleared but we can look elsewhere for now.

[Danny]

What a terrible play!

I understand you being upset, but I still think it's a solid play. I went with my read. It was wrong, but I felt confident that LSG was at best a vanilla nazi. I also know I was going to be under heat soon and honestly, my duke ability did not allow me to save myself, so there was no point saving it for that.

[DaddyTorgo]

damnit Himmler...that was dumb. shoulda just let me die

[Danny]

Give me your reason for being okay with DT right now, plz

I have to believe a wolf at least try's and kills of CR there. And I read DT as a villager all the way. DT is generally pretty easy to read when he is a wolf and he gets votes piled up like that.

[Autumn]

I'm not sure any of this really clears DT, though. We saw plenty of people happy to scramble to try to save him. I agree he certainly acted villagerish, but then again he is a good player.

Why did you think you would be under heat soon?

[EagleFan]

About to post night results, there will be another post after those results as well with details about day 2.

[DaddyTorgo]

i mean...sure...thanks for keeping me alive...but it was pretty much a wash

[Danny]

damnit Himmler...that was dumb. shoulda just let me die

Why? If you are a vanilla nazi as well then it's an even trade. And now I am cleared. And as I said, my duke could not have saved me from being lynched

[Abe Sargent]

You remember that the next game when I get 15,000 Day One votes which I normally do. I don;t ever remember Danny coming my rescue.

[bulletsponge]

That is such BS. Himmler offically pisses me off.

vell vell vell, only a traitor would say such a thing

[Abe Sargent]

You remember that the next game when I get 15,000 Day One votes which I normally do. I don;t ever remember Danny coming my rescue.

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[Danny]

I'm not sure any of this really clears DT, though. We saw plenty of people happy to scramble to try to save him. I agree he certainly acted villagerish, but then again he is a good player.

Why did you think you would be under heat soon?

Not really though, two of those who scrambled were LSG and me, both cleared.

[DaddyTorgo]

I have to believe a wolf at least try's and kills of CR there. And I read DT as a villager all the way. DT is generally pretty easy to read when he is a wolf and he gets votes piled up like that.

ouch. guess i'll have to try harder to vary my play when i'm wolfy

[Schmidty]

Suckage. I can't blame Danny though, as I have gone on my gut many times.

Where we go now, I have no idea.

[Danny]

ouch. guess i'll have to try harder to vary my play when i'm wolfy

You're actually a very good wolf in general DT, but sometimes towards lynching, especially if it appears you are a given to go, your frustration comes out.

[Autumn]

I have to believe a wolf at least try's and kills of CR there. And I read DT as a villager all the way. DT is generally pretty easy to read when he is a wolf and he gets votes piled up like that.

Ah, yeah, when it was close to being tied. That's a good point. He may have been hoping for some more votes on CR, but you're right, that would have been tempting for a wolf.

[EagleFan]

Night Results:

After the confusing day everyone tries to get some sleep and make sense of what has occurred. Are there more traitors in our midst? Are there traitors inside the Nazi party? Is gthere a power struggle beginning?

Before you can know you find the body of hoopsguy. He lies motionless and was killed with a surgically placed slash to the throat.

Searching his belongings you find nothing more than his draft card and the medals which he has won fighting fr the cause.

He was a loyal Nazi.

[Danny]

Ah, yeah, when it was close to being tied. That's a good point. He may have been hoping for some more votes on CR, but you're right, that would have been tempting for a wolf.

Temping for a wolf and not even damning as a villager. It's easily explained as self defense.

[Lathum]

The fact that Danny can't use his ability to save himself makes me ok with the move.

I wouldn't be so quick to clear DT, but I have him elevated for sure, I would imagine as a conspiritor he would have tied it up with him and CR, unless CR is also a conspiritor.

[Abe Sargent]

Wow. Totally unable to read anything from that kill.

[Abe Sargent]

Sucks, hoops - sorrys.

[The Jackal]

Looks like hoops doesn't get to see what his new schedule will be like. Sensible kill, I guess, and at least he wasn't a valuable role.

[Autumn]

Ouch, hoops, we hardly knew ya.

I don't get about the duke/lynch thing. Were you expecting to be lynched, Danny?

[EagleFan]

ATTENTION: Please reread the Day One results shortly. In processing there was one more addition to the mix which I needed to add.

[Schmidty]

Damn.

[Chief Rum]

Night Results:

After the confusing day everyone tries to get some sleep and make sense of what has occurred. Are there more traitors in our midst? Are there traitors inside the Nazi party? Is gthere a power struggle beginning?

Before you can know you find the body of hoopsguy. He lies motionless and was killed with a surgically placed slash to the throat.

Searching his belongings you find nothing more than his draft card and the medals which he has won fighting fr the cause.

He was a loyal Nazi.

Crap. :(

I was hoping to play some with hoops. Last game he and I were in together, he died way too early.

Of course, I was the wolf that suggested killing him in that game, but that's beside the point...

I guess we have to expect that, without much to go on, wolves will still target the best players early.

Will it be a tactical error, though? Hoops himself noted he would not be so available for this one because of his work schedule.

[Danny]

Ouch, hoops, we hardly knew ya.

I don't get about the duke/lynch thing. Were you expecting to be lynched, Danny?

Honestly, I am sure I would have been under heat at some point, probably within a couple days. I took my shot on someone I felt confident did not have a role. It also provides valuable info as well. We know two of the three late votes for CR came from villagers.

[PurdueBrad]

Sheesh, welcome back Hoops. And to think I didn't vote for you when I had the chance!

As for Danny's play, it at least clears one of us immediately and I never really fault somebody for a gut play since I do it a lot.

[Chief Rum]

Wow, DT is Albert Speer!

[Danny]

FWIW, my duke ability does not save anyone, both players were supposed to die. I pointed this out to EF and since has been fixed. I didn't want to say anything until I was sure. We do now have a good voting record, but lose someone I felt highly likely was good.

[Schmidty]

Will it be a tactical error, though? Hoops himself noted he would not be so available for this one because of his work schedule.

Good point, but it still sucks. Basically, if you're a great player, you don't get to play. Exactly the reason I make it so far mot games.

I hope stuff like this don't make the better players not want to play.

[JAG]

That sucks for hoops. I think he's been the N1 kill the last couple games he played.

[EagleFan]

Day results ammended. Nothing changed except the correct number of kills.

[Chief Rum]

Honestly, I am sure I would have been under heat at some point, probably within a couple days. I took my shot on someone I felt confident did not have a role. It also provides valuable info as well. We know two of the three late votes for CR came from villagers.

Yes, but I am a loyal Nazi, so you just learned that you and LSG were misguided. GE, however, is not cleared...

[Lathum]

I don't get about the duke/lynch thing. Were you expecting to be lynched, Danny?

The more I think about it I like it.

DT was basically throwing in the white towel, so obviously not a conspitior. Danny can't take the ability to the grave and can't save himself so at least it removes him from the vote tomorow and elevates DT. LSG said she wasn't rolled, so at best he making an even swap from a role POV, while giving us a COT of 2.

So eliminating 2 people from the vote tomorrow helps us.

[DaddyTorgo]

oops...i'm dead now i guess

[Danny]

Yes, but I am a loyal Nazi, so you just learned that you and LSG were misguided. GE, however, is not cleared...

Honestly, he was the other player I debated, but I had no idea the likelihood he had a role. LSG I felt good at the least did not have a role.

[Autumn]

wow wtf

[The Jackal]

Uh, so what exactly happened?

[JAG]

that's odd, the Duke changes the lynch but doesn't change the original outcome?

[GoldenEagle]

I understand you being upset, but I still think it's a solid play. I went with my read. It was wrong, but I felt confident that LSG was at best a vanilla nazi. I also know I was going to be under heat soon and honestly, my duke ability did not allow me to save myself, so there was no point saving it for that.

But what if LSG was the seer or Hitler? It was just a questionable play to make this early in the game.

[Danny]

My duke doesn't save the player, it just adds a kill basically. So DT still died.

[Abe Sargent]

Wait.....what????

[Danny]

But what if LSG was the seer or Hitler? It was just a questionable play to make this early in the game.

I felt very confident this was not the case.

[Chief Rum]

Uh, so what exactly happened?

Mechanics mix up. Himmler can't save the lynched, only add to the death toll.

So DT still dies (and he's Albert Speer, it turns out). And LSG also dies.

And hoops is still dead.

[The Jackal]

Well, that all sucks. I mean Speer wasn't massively important, but a nifty ace in the hole. We've got some exploring to do tomorrow.

[Schmidty]

I'm confused. That doesn't seem right.

EF - That seems really overpowered, although I guess he could have gotten two wolves, but still.

(No offense)

[Danny]

But what if LSG was the seer or Hitler? It was just a questionable play to make this early in the game.

And what if she was a wolf? Fact is I killed a vanilla nazi. Not a great play as it turns out, but not a killer either.

[Danny]

I'm confused. That doesn't seem right.

EF - That seems really overpowered, although I guess he could have gotten two wolves, but still.

(No offense)

In way it is underpowered since I wasnt able to save someone I would have liked to. Or save myself if needed.

[Autumn]

Well, you certainly played in character, I guess, Danny ... :-( That puts us in the hole a bit for day one. But hopefully we'll find something from the vote analysis with four players cleared.

[JAG]

GE, in case you missed it a page or two back, I'm interested to hear your response:

Darth Vilus was the best candidate for today, but there some suspicious votes switched off of him.

He was? Why do you say that?

[bulletsponge]

im a little confused. at least im 3 places higher to becomeing a fuhrur

[Schmidty]

In way it is underpowered since I wasnt able to save someone I would have liked to. Or save myself if needed.

Yeah, that's true.

I had it backward.

[EagleFan]

Orders for Day/Night Two:

The players will be stationed in the following manner:

Berlin
Lathum
The Jackal
Schmidty
Danny
GoldenEagle
Autumn
J23
Darth Vilus

Berchtesgaden
PurdueBrad
Abe Sargent
Chief Rum
JAG
ntndeacon
KWhit
Telle
bulletsponge


Wolfsschanze
n/a


For future days all locations will be utilized, the multiple lynching affected the stations for this day.

[Lathum]

now I am not so much a fan of the play IMO you wait until we have a sure wolf then get the wolf kill and another lynch that day also.

[The Jackal]

I'm confused. That doesn't seem right.

EF - That seems really overpowered, although I guess he could have gotten two wolves, but still.

(No offense)

What do you mean he could have gotten two wolves? One person died in the lynch, and Danny killed the other.

[GoldenEagle]

Danny, I am not going to lie, I think this was a very selfish player on your part. The move had no basis and was basically wasted.

[The Jackal]

Yeah, that's true.

I had it backward.

Alright.

[Autumn]

Is anyone clear on what the locations will do? Just determines who is there if a bomb goes off? I assume it has no effect on the lynching votes.

[EagleFan]

I'm confused. That doesn't seem right.

EF - That seems really overpowered, although I guess he could have gotten two wolves, but still.

(No offense)

There are high risk situations within the game. Each side has some powerful tools at their disposal.

[Schmidty]

Alright.

I suck. Blame it on my mom smoking while she was pregnant.

[EagleFan]

Is anyone clear on what the locations will do? Just determines who is there if a bomb goes off? I assume it has no effect on the lynching votes.

Correct, it is only to help determine potential devistation done.

[Autumn]

I suck. Blame it on my mom smoking while she was pregnant.

Can I have her phone number?

[Danny]

Danny, I am not going to lie, I think this was a very selfish player on your part. The move had no basis and was basically wasted.

And you can think that, but I am not sure how it is different than 90% of dukings.

[Abe Sargent]

My duke doesn't save the player, it just adds a kill basically. So DT still died.

Then why brag about how your duke made DT look good?

[Danny]

Final Day One Vote

KWhit 2 - Darth Vilus (80), PurdueBrad (105)
Lathum 1 - DaddyTorgo (96)
Darth Vilus 2 - Autumn (91), Telle (219)
Chief Rum 5 - ntndeacon (92), bulletsponge (110), GldenEagle (213), LoneStarGirl (221), Danny (223)
DaddyTorgo 7 - Lathum (102), J23 (106), hoopsguy (113), Abe Sargent (125), Scmidty (153), The Jackal (163), Chief Rum (230)
LoneStarGirl 1 - JAG (193)

No vote: KWhit

[GoldenEagle]

GE, in case you missed it a page or two back, I'm interested to hear your response:

There was interested in him, but it suddenly got switch off of him for no apparent reason. I would have voted for him and Telle did. At one point, it looked like it would be DT vs. Darth for the lynch.

He made a vote pretty early on Kwhit. Granted, its not that suspicious, but it is kind of weird he was quiet all day when he is normally a vocal player.

My point more or less is that there was some interest on him, but then it was switched away without much explanation. He is someone who we need to look at.

[Danny]

Then why brag about how your duke made DT look good?

I wasn't bragging, I thought it was useful in seeing people's reactions for that.

[GoldenEagle]

And you can think that, but I am not sure how it is different than 90% of dukings.

Because now we are down three villagers instead of two.

[Danny]

. Granted, its not that suspicious, but it is kind of weird he was quiet all day when he is normally a vocal player.

He posted last night or early this morning he was going to have to vote early and be out all day because of work.

[hoopsguy]

No worries on my end as far as the night kill. The wolves should take out whoever they feel is a good target, without worrying about feelings getting involved. I'll see you guys around next game.

[Schmidty]

Can I have her phone number?

She doesn't have a phone. Well, unless the dumpster sleeps in does.

[Danny]

Because now we are down three villagers instead of two.

But with quite a bit of voting record for one day and no wolves. I understand you're upset, but I went with my gut, It turned out wrong and obviously wasn't a great play, but didn't hurt us too much.

[EagleFan]

A meeting has been scheduled for Day 2. The meeting will be processed at 7 PM EST. Hitler has called this meeting to discuss the allies potential invasion. Hitler is still deciding upon the list of attendees though it has almost been finalized.

A successful meeting will add to the Nazis powers for Night 2. The negative effects of failure may not be immediately noticable.

[Danny]

It really is funny how fickle the duke is. AlanT did the same thing to me last game. Admittedly I think his gut is better than mine, but I just think it's funny the way the same play can be read so differently based on a mostly random result.

[JAG]

There was interested in him, but it suddenly got switch off of him for no apparent reason. I would have voted for him and Telle did. At one point, it looked like it would be DT vs. Darth for the lynch.

That's a rather odd justification. Was everyone supposed to know you and Telle were going to join the voting on Darth before they ended up switching?

He made a vote pretty early on Kwhit. Granted, its not that suspicious, but it is kind of weird he was quiet all day when he is normally a vocal player.

I don't know, he wasn't all that vocal in the soccer game we played in with him. That seems pretty flimsy to say he was the best candidate based on that reasoning.

My point more or less is that there was some interest on him, but then it was switched away without much explanation. He is someone who we need to look at.

Eh. My reasoning for switching off him was that a number of people didn't feel comfortable with LSG's vote (adding yet another candidate to the mix) or reasoning, we had no other candidate to go against DT, and with nothing else to go on, that seemed like a logical way to go. Of course in the end it didn't exactly work out.

[Danny]

I think I am off for the night. Hopefully tomorrow we will have a better result.

[Autumn]

So, as far as I can see, there's nothing we can do to help these meetings out, other than add to the circle of trust. The more people are cleared the more Hitler can pick for the meetings.

[JAG]

It really is funny how fickle the duke is. AlanT did the same thing to me last game. Admittedly I think his gut is better than mine, but I just think it's funny the way the same play can be read so differently based on a mostly random result.

I think it probably wasn't the right time to break it out (later when there probably would have been better odds of hitting a conspirator might've made more sense), but there was some logic in doing it, there was a chance you could have taken out a dangerous roled conspirator, you obviously cleared yourself, and we don't have to spend a day chasing down the LSG path that some might have advocated for.

[Danny]

I think it probably wasn't the right time to break it out (later when there probably would have been better odds of hitting a conspirator might've made more sense), but there was some logic in doing it, there was a chance you could have taken out a dangerous roled conspirator, you obviously cleared yourself, and we don't have to spend a day chasing down the LSG path that some might have advocated for.

Yeah, may not have been the right time. I just think those most vocally upset feel that way because of who I killed and not necessarily that a duke missed. I can understand that reaction, I mean I feel bad anytime I kill someone on day 1, lynch, wolf kill or otherwise.

[Lathum]

It really is funny how fickle the duke is. AlanT did the same thing to me last game. Admittedly I think his gut is better than mine, but I just think it's funny the way the same play can be read so differently based on a mostly random result.

Did you know DT would die anyway?

[Danny]

Ok and now I am really off for the night.

I will leave with this warning, duking on two hours sleep after an 11 hour work day may cause innocents to die :)

[Danny]

Did you know DT would die anyway?

Yes, basically my duke isnt a duke. It's a kill, the same as AlanT had in the soccer game.

[The Jackal]

I don't have a huge problem with what Danny did. It obviously didn't work out very well, but when the game allows for you to take risks, people are going to take them. We've lost three players, none of whom were essential. It was a good day for the conspirators, but none of our high ranking peoples are gone.

[JAG]

So, as far as I can see, there's nothing we can do to help these meetings out, other than add to the circle of trust. The more people are cleared the more Hitler can pick for the meetings.

It looks like Hitler has to invite a certain amount of people to the meeting:

Meeting Events - Every third day Hitler will host a meeting to discuss the course of the war, he will submit the list of attendees (the number will be determined by the number of remaining players). Meetings offer risk and reward. The greater the number of invitees, the greater the reward if successful but also the greater the chance for sabotage or worse.

So yes, the more people we can clear, the more effective the meeting will be. Not sure why the meeting is happening D2 when the rules say every third day? Does that mean the next meeting can happen no earlier than D5?

[JAG]

I'm off also, night all.

[Autumn]

Yeah, I was just going to ask that about the meeting day also.

Good catch about the certain number. Forces his hand to make a guess. Well, here's hoping. Some good analysis between now and then might help out.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, I was just going to ask that about the meeting day also.

Good catch about the certain number. Forces his hand to make a guess. Well, here's hoping. Some good analysis between now and then might help out.

We actually don't want a limited number. The wolves know who is cleared, too. So if the cleared need to be around Hitler, that narrows their choices on who to go after.

[Abe Sargent]

Danny, I am not going to lie, I think this was a very selfish player on your part. The move had no basis and was basically wasted.

+1

[EagleFan]

The following people have been invited to tomorrow's (day two) meeting:

Danny
Telle
GoldenEagle
JAG
J23
Kwhit
PurdueBrad


Hitler himself will also be attending the meeting and may or may not be named in that list.

[Lathum]

I feel left out

[Abe Sargent]

GoldenEagle + Danny should make for a fun meeting

[Abe Sargent]

I feel left out

+1

[Autumn]

We actually don't want a limited number. The wolves know who is cleared, too. So if the cleared need to be around Hitler, that narrows their choices on who to go after.

I'm not sure what you mean. You mean it would be better if he could invite everyone to the meeting?

[Chief Rum]

I'm not sure what you mean. You mean it would be better if he could invite everyone to the meeting?

No, just that, let's say he scheduled a meeting and it were just he and Danny, we would sorta know who Hitler was. Hitler can hide in numbers.

Of course, all this is moot because EagleFan basically just stated that Hitler will be in attendance but that he may or may not be present on the above list.

[Autumn]

Oh I see Chief. Yeah, I hadn't thought about the "hitler attending" aspect of it.

[The Jackal]

That's a bizarre meeting list. But who am I to question Hitler!

[PurdueBrad]

I LOVE me some Ronnie Brown! Just took first place in my $ fantasy league thanks to the final TD, won by 2 points.

Anyway, never thought I would say these words but, look forward to meeting with Hitler. I'm honored (?!?).

[Abe Sargent]

I love watching the Dolphins tonight, they manned up at the end, and I loved that drive, and I loves me some Pat White. Plus I liked the orange

[Darth Vilus]

Holy S**t, 6 pages to read through! that's not as bad as it could have been though. To respond to GE, why was I the best candidate? I voted early becasue I had work as I had previously stated. This night deadline is very problematic with work, I will most likely have to vote early every day with the possible exception on thursday, im not sure about that yet.

So it doesn't seem like a terrible day one, coulda been better but at least we didnt lose anyone truly important (no offense to anyone). No problem with danny's duke, woulda been pissed if he killed the seer but it's all good. Didnt really think that woman (yeah i hold grudges sometimes) had a role. I'll reread everything before i vote tomorrow though i have some suspicions at the moment.

And FWIW I'm a vanilla nazi but me saying that really doesn't matter.

Heil Hitler!

[Lathum]

Didnt really think that woman (yeah i hold grudges sometimes) had a role.

Not cool.

[DaddyTorgo]

Not cool.

agreed. don't be a tool DV

[Schmidty]

Didnt really think that woman (yeah i hold grudges sometimes) had a role.

That's pretty messed up if you're talking about LSG. She's a person, not just a "woman", and this is just a game. And her husband is in this game.

Have fun, but don't be a dick.

(If I'm misunderstanding you, I'm sorry)

[EagleFan]

Hopefully DV's comment was not meant the way it sounded. I have zero experience with DV though so I don't know. Please keep things civil within the game. As we are in the interim without a Mod hopefully we can continue to keep things as calm as possible.

If I misread that, I apologize, but there isn't much to go on but the wording.

[Darth Vilus]

I'll apologize if u want but she attacked my character a few games ago. I never got an apology

[Darth Vilus]

anyone remember that? and why is everyone jumping down my throat, what did i say that was derogatory? explain this to me please

[Danny]

I'll apologize if u want but she attacked my character a few games ago. I never got an apology

I don't know what happened before, but let it be something revealing of the other person. You're better than to retaliate.

[Danny]

+1

You both were vocally against lynching LSG anyway, so your opinion is not surprising. I am sure it is heavily dependent on who was the target.

As I've admitted the results did not turn out well, but your claims of "selfish" are a bit ludicrous. I made a gut play with a couple minutes left in the deadline (the same as AlanT did last game actually) based on my read. I thought it was going to be beneficial for the village. Maybe it wasn't in the end, but I didn't make the play for myself.

[Danny]

GoldenEagle + Danny should make for a fun meeting

I like to bring cookies, so perhaps that will help.

And not from anyone specifically, but am I the only who thought of that Hitler downfall video with him ranting against my decision?

[GoldenEagle]

By the way if I was a wolf, I would be tripping on each other trying to convert Danny. I don't know the exact rules on conversion, but we really can't assume he is cleared. He may have been converted last night.

Right?

[Danny]

By the way if I was a wolf, I would be tripping on each other trying to convert Danny. I don't know the exact rules on conversion, but we really can't assume he is cleared. He may have been converted last night.

Right?

This is an odd post. Not anyone can be converted. There is a specific character/player who can be. And that's not me. Also, there was an actual night kill, so we know a conversion did not take place.

[Danny]

The convert is Erwin Johannes Eugen Rommel

[Abe Sargent]

This is an odd post. Not anyone can be converted. There is a specific character/player who can be. And that's not me. Also, there was an actual night kill, so we know a conversion did not take place.

Agreed, it is a little odd.

[GoldenEagle]

This is an odd post. Not anyone can be converted. There is a specific character/player who can be. And that's not me. Also, there was an actual night kill, so we know a conversion did not take place.

I just remember seeing something about a convert. I didn't read the specifics (even stated that in my post). Now that I have read up, I see what you are talking about.

I guess you are cleared, but I have a feeling you will not be alive for too much longer.

[GoldenEagle]

anyone remember that? and why is everyone jumping down my throat, what did i say that was derogatory? explain this to me please

If I remember correctly, she made a comment about the way that you play. There was nothing personal about it.

Your comment was more sexist. You implied that we don't need any women to be playing this game. On the contrary, there are several good women players who partake in WW. Telle is one of the best overall players, IMO.

[J23]

Well, not the best day 1 result, but not the worst. I'm not sure I like using the Himmler card on day1, but as Danny mentioned, if it had hit a wolf, everyone would be cheering. At least now everyone knows Danny isn't a traitor, and there is a bodyguard function at least. We also have more information to analyze day 1 voting with by having 4 known villagers.

[Autumn]

Let's talk about lynch targets today. I stayed on Darth yesterday and I think given all the movement from him he may still be a worthwhile target. Chief would also tell us a lot about yesterday. Chief and JAG followed Danny onto LSG, if that means anything. That's all I have at the moment.

[Schmidty]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I'll be at work without internet from 12 pm EST until 5 pm EST, so I won't be around at all early afternoon.

[Abe Sargent]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I'll be at work without internet from 12 pm EST until 5 pm EST, so I won't be around at all early afternoon.

No PORN?!?!?!?!?

[Lathum]

I am thinking about KWhit unless he shows up sometime soon with an excuse. I think he is a great player, but it seems like he has missed votes in games pretty often.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote KWhit

[JAG]

Let's talk about lynch targets today. I stayed on Darth yesterday and I think given all the movement from him he may still be a worthwhile target. Chief would also tell us a lot about yesterday. Chief and JAG followed Danny onto LSG, if that means anything. That's all I have at the moment.

Personally, I'm less inclined to vote for Chief or Darth today because I think we gain more information in the long run by targeting different people than continuing to vote the same people over and over (without good reason of course).

From my point of view, Hitler has picked two sure villagers for the meeting (Danny and myself), so that's good. I was trying to see if we can tell anything from the results of the meeting to either clear (if successful) or target people attending the meeting (if it was sabotaged), but from the bits and pieces EagleFan has dropped, it seems like we may be able to tell:

The greater the number of invitees, the greater the reward if successful but also the greater the chance for sabotage or worse.

A successful meeting will add to the Nazis powers for Night 2. The negative effects of failure may not be immediately noticable.

The unknown quantity is what makes the meeting a success or failure, does it have to be 100% non-conspirators to succeed or can we have succes with only 1 conspirator?

Anyway, my feeling is we'll learn something about the attendees based on how the meeting goes, so I'd rather vote for someone who was not invited. So barring any further information, my vote will be for one of Abe, Lathum, Jackal, Autumn, Schmidty, PB, ntn, or bulletsponge.

[Lathum]

Anyway, my feeling is we'll learn something about the attendees based on how the meeting goes, so I'd rather vote for someone who was not invited. So barring any further information, my vote will be for one of Abe, Lathum, Jackal, Autumn, Schmidty, PB, ntn, or bulletsponge.

I disagree with this. I wold rather look at the people who had movement on the day 1 vote.

I don't think it is right to lessen the pool of candidates based on a list one person made who as far as we know doesn;t know the true alligience of the people he selected.

He could just as easily selected conspititors. I would rather continue the momentum and building voting records from D1 or vote KWhit, who hasnt been active.

[KWhit]

I am thinking about KWhit unless he shows up sometime soon with an excuse. I think he is a great player, but it seems like he has missed votes in games pretty often.

Why would a missed vote (especially on day one) indicate wolfishness? And I had a couple of votes on me anyway, so obviously I would have wanted to vote if I could have.

But the reason for my missed vote was that I was unexpectedly away from my computer for a lot longer than I thought I would be. We went out last night with friends to dinner and I thought we'd be back well before 10. Didn't happen.

Sorry about that, guys and gals.

[KWhit]

Final Day One Vote

KWhit 2 - Darth Vilus (80), PurdueBrad (105)
Lathum 1 - DaddyTorgo (96)
Darth Vilus 2 - Autumn (91), Telle (219)
Chief Rum 5 - ntndeacon (92), bulletsponge (110), GldenEagle (213), LoneStarGirl (221), Danny (223)
DaddyTorgo 7 - Lathum (102), J23 (106), hoopsguy (113), Abe Sargent (125), Scmidty (153), The Jackal (163), Chief Rum (230)
LoneStarGirl 1 - JAG (193)

No vote: KWhit

Looking at this, the only real interesting thing I see is the late-ish run on Chief Rum. What's interesting about it is that we know LSG and Danny were good, and the leading vote-getter was DT who is also good. So it's not like people were moving to CR to try to save DT. But things did get pretty close there for a bit. It's likely that we had a villager/villager thing going on there, but some pressure on CR today might tell us some interesting things about yesterday's vote.

[ntndeacon]

Personally, I'm less inclined to vote for Chief or Darth today because I think we gain more information in the long run by targeting different people than continuing to vote the same people over and over (without good reason of course).

From my point of view, Hitler has picked two sure villagers for the meeting (Danny and myself), so that's good. I was trying to see if we can tell anything from the results of the meeting to either clear (if successful) or target people attending the meeting (if it was sabotaged), but from the bits and pieces EagleFan has dropped, it seems like we may be able to tell:





The unknown quantity is what makes the meeting a success or failure, does it have to be 100% non-conspirators to succeed or can we have succes with only 1 conspirator?

Anyway, my feeling is we'll learn something about the attendees based on how the meeting goes, so I'd rather vote for someone who was not invited. So barring any further information, my vote will be for one of Abe, Lathum, Jackal, Autumn, Schmidty, PB, ntn, or bulletsponge.

I was leaning this way as well. I will be voting for someone not at the meeting. I haven't checked that with the people that moved yet, but if we have both things happening with one person, that might be where my vote goes.

[Autumn]

There was a lot of interest in having a second candidate there towards the end, as people didn't feel wolfy about DT. The fact that LSG got pushed, and didn't quite make it, and then Chief, and almost made it, makes me wonder. Were people trying to get votes away from KWhit or Darth, the other two contenders at that point? I think Chief, Darth or KWhit are ones to look at, to me.

I can see your point also, JAG, but I think it pays to follow up on the vote history we have. Eventually we'll come back to it, better to clear it up now then wait three days.

[JAG]

I disagree with this. I wold rather look at the people who had movement on the day 1 vote.

I don't think it is right to lessen the pool of candidates based on a list one person made who as far as we know doesn;t know the true alligience of the people he selected.

He could just as easily selected conspititors. I would rather continue the momentum and building voting records from D1 or vote KWhit, who hasnt been active.

Alright, I don't want to be dense, but how do you propose we use our momentum to further build voting records from D1? If you think there's a clear candidate, I'm willing to listen.

Your point that Hitler 'could just as easily selected conspirators' is true, but obviously Hitler wants the meeting to succeed, so we would expect he tried to pick villagers. If that role that can PM Hitler once a day is in the game, presumably that player is in the meeting. Anyway, I still think we'll know something about the group from the meeting based on what the results of the meeting are. If the meeting fails, we vote that group relentlessly until we find at least one conspirator. If the meeting succeeds, it doesn't automatically clear the group, but I would rather look at other candidates for the time being.

[Abe Sargent]

Why would a missed vote (especially on day one) indicate wolfishness? And I had a couple of votes on me anyway, so obviously I would have wanted to vote if I could have.

But the reason for my missed vote was that I was unexpectedly away from my computer for a lot longer than I thought I would be. We went out last night with friends to dinner and I thought we'd be back well before 10. Didn't happen.

Sorry about that, guys and gals.

K

unvote KWhit

[KWhit]

Final Day One Vote

KWhit 2 - Darth Vilus (80), PurdueBrad (105)
Lathum 1 - DaddyTorgo (96)
Darth Vilus 2 - Autumn (91), Telle (219)
Chief Rum 5 - ntndeacon (92), bulletsponge (110), GldenEagle (213), LoneStarGirl (221), Danny (223)
DaddyTorgo 7 - Lathum (102), J23 (106), hoopsguy (113), Abe Sargent (125), Scmidty (153), The Jackal (163), Chief Rum (230)
LoneStarGirl 1 - JAG (193)

No vote: KWhit


The other thing that jumps out at me here is Telle's late throw away vote. Her vote on Darth came with just 4 minutes left before deadline, but was a pretty meaningless vote for someone who was not really in the running. That bothers me.

[Telle]

The other thing that jumps out at me here is Telle's late throw away vote. Her vote on Darth came with just 4 minutes left before deadline, but was a pretty meaningless vote for someone who was not really in the running. That bothers me.

At the time I wasn't caught up in the voting and thought he had the second-highest number of bids on him. I didn't see that people had moved off of him until afterwards.

[KWhit]

As of Post 201:

KWhit 2 - Darth Vilus (80), PurdueBrad (105)
Lathum 1 - DaddyTorgo (96)
Darth Vilus 1 - Autumn (91)
Chief Rum 2 - ntndeacon (92), bulletsponge (110)
DaddyTorgo 6 - Lathum (102), J23 (106), hoopsguy (113), Abe Sargent (125), Scmidty (153), The Jackal (163)
Autumn 1 - LoneStarGirl (108)
LoneStarGirl 3 - Danny (179), Chief Rum (188), JAG (193)

Yet to vote: GoldenEagle, KWhit, Telle

This is the vote totals that Telle should have known about when she made her post below. She admits that she wasn't caught up on posts from the last page, so she possibly wouldn't have known about GE's vote on CR (not included in the above). But she should have been aware of what is listed above.

I've been logged in but have been away from the computer.. almost forgot about the vote as I got busy with something else. I'm not quite caught up on this page, but need to get a vote in before the deadline.

vote Darth Vilus

But she places a vote on the 5th top vote getter (really tied for 5th). Why?

I don't like late throw away votes. Right now, I'm looking suspiciously at her and Chief Rum.

[KWhit]

At the time I wasn't caught up in the voting and thought he had the second-highest number of bids on him. I didn't see that people had moved off of him until afterwards.

At the time I wasn't caught up in the voting and thought he had the second-highest number of bids on him. I didn't see that people had moved off of him until afterwards.

Note: I didn't see that until after I made post 393.

That's possible. I'll need to look at the vote history.

[Telle]

And also when I mentioned that I wasn't caught up on "this page" I was actually referencing the previous page.. as an additional page had been added as I was typing my post.

[KWhit]

At the time I wasn't caught up in the voting and thought he had the second-highest number of bids on him. I didn't see that people had moved off of him until afterwards.

Yeah, that makes some sense, I guess.

CR moved off DV at post 188 and JAG moved off at post 193.

Hmmm...

Anyone have any reasons they can give for the change of heart from DV to LSG that happened late yesterday? That seemed pretty random when I read through it earlier.

[KWhit]

And also when I mentioned that I wasn't caught up on "this page" I was actually referencing the previous page.. as an additional page had been added as I was typing my post.

Yeah. That makes me feel better. Actually, it wouldn't have made much sense for a wolf or a villager to vote for DV at that point anyway (unless they weren't totally up to date on the vote count, as you say).

[KWhit]

Telle, do you (or anyone else) have a list of vote history with unvotes and moves and stuff?

If so, would you mind sharing?

[Autumn]

I do, KWhit, I'll see if I can post it. I had to correct it a few times, so it may need some external examination.

[JAG]

You're in luck, I was just working on this:

Day 1:

(32) Schmidty votes Jackal - Jackal 1
(49) Danny votes GE - Jackal 1 GE 1
(80) Darth votes KWhit - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1
(86) Abe votes Lathum - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1
(87) Lathum votes Schmidty - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1
(89) JAG votes Darth - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 1
(91) Autumn votes Darth - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 2
(92) ntn votes Chief - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 2 Chief 1
(96) DT votes Lathum - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 2 Schmidty 1 Darth 2 Chief 1
(102) Lathum unvotes Schmidty, votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 1
(105) PB votes KWhit - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 1
(106) J23 votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 2
(108)LSG votes Autumn - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 2 Autumn 1
(110) bulletspong votes Chief - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 2 Autumn 1
(113) hoopsguy votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 3 Autumn 1
(122) Danny unvotes GE - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 3 Autumn 1
(125) Abe unvotes Lathum, votes DT - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 4 Autumn 1
(129) Chief votes Darth - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 4 Autumn 1
(153) Schmidty unvotes Jackal, votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 5 Autumn 1
(163) Jackal votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1
(179) Danny votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 1
(188) Chief unvotes Darth, votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 2
(193) JAG unvotes Darth, votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 1 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(213) GE votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 1 Chief 3 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(219) Telle votes Darth - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 3 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(221) LSG unvotes Autumn, votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 4 DT 6 LSG 3
(223) Danny unvotes LSG, votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 5 DT 6 LSG 2
(230) Chief unvotes LSG, votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 5 DT 7 LSG 1

[Autumn]

Darth votes Kwhit 1-1-1
Abe votes Lathum 1-1-1-1
Lathum votes Schmidty 1-1-1-1-1
Jag votes Darth 1-1-1-1-1-1
Autumn votes Darth 2-1-1-1-1-1 Darth
ntn votes Chief 2-1-1-1-1-1-1 Darth
Daddy votes Lathum 2-2-1-1-1-1-1 Darth, Lathum
Lathum unvotes Schmidty 2-2-1-1-1-1 Darth, Lathum
Lathum votes Daddy 2-2-1-1-1-1-1 Darth, Lathum
Purdue votes Kwhit 2-2-2-1-1-1-1 Darth, Lathum, Kwhit
J23 votes Daddy 2-2-2-2-1-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Lathum, Kwhit
Lonestar votes Autumn 2-2-2-2-1-1-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Lathum, Kwhit
Bullet votes Chief 2-2-2-2-2-1-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Lathum, Kwhit, Chief
Hoops votes Daddy 3-2-2-2-2-1-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Lathum, Kwhit, Chief
Danny unvotes Goldeneagle 3-2-2-2-2-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Lathum, Kwhit, Chief
Abe unvotes Lathum 3-2-2-2-1-1-1 Daddy, Darth,Kwhit, Chief
Abe votes Daddy 4-2-2-2-1-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Kwhit, Chief
Chief votes Darth 4-3-2-2-1-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Kwhit, Chief
Schmidty unvotes jackal 4-3-2-2-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Kwhit, Chief
Schmidty votes Daddy 5-3-2-2-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Kwhit, Chief
Jackal votes Daddy 6-3-2-2-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Kwhit, Chief
Danny votes LSG 6-3-2-2-1-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Kwhit, Chief
Chief unvotes Darth 6-2-2-2-1-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Kwhit, Chief
Chief votes LSG 6-2-2-2-2-1-1 Daddy, Darth, Kwhit, Chief, LSG
jag unvotes Darth 6-2-2-2-1-1-1 daddy, kwhit, chief, lsg
jag votes LSG 6-3-2-2-1-1-1 Daddy, LSG, kwhit, Chief
GoldenEagle votes Chief 6-3-3-2-1-1-1 Daddy, LSG, Chief, Kwhit
Telle votes Darth 6-3-3-3-1-1-1 Daddy, LSG, Chief, Darth
LSG unvotes autum 6-3-3-3-1-1 Daddy, LSG, Chief, Darth
LSG votes chief 6-4-3-3-1-1 Daddy, Chief, LSG, Darth
danny unvotes lsg 6-4-3-2-1-1 Daddy, Chief, Darth, LSG
danny votes chief 6-5-3-2-1-1 Daddy, Chief, Darth, LSG
chief unotes lsg 6-5-3-1-1-1 Daddy, Chief, Darth
Chief votes daddy 7-5-3-1-1-1 Daddy, Chief, Darth

[JAG]

I was missing some green tags on mine, here's the D1 voting repost:

Day 1:

(32) Schmidty votes Jackal - Jackal 1
(49) Danny votes GE - Jackal 1 GE 1
(80) Darth votes KWhit - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1
(86) Abe votes Lathum - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1
(87) Lathum votes Schmidty - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1
(89) JAG votes Darth - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 1
(91) Autumn votes Darth - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 2
(92) ntn votes Chief - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 2 Chief 1
(96) DT votes Lathum - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 2 Schmidty 1 Darth 2 Chief 1
(102) Lathum unvotes Schmidty, votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 1
(105) PB votes KWhit - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 1
(106) J23 votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 2
(108)LSG votes Autumn - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 2 Autumn 1
(110) bulletspong votes Chief - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 2 Autumn 1
(113) hoopsguy votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 3 Autumn 1
(122) Danny unvotes GE - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 3 Autumn 1
(125) Abe unvotes Lathum, votes DT - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 4 Autumn 1
(129) Chief votes Darth - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 4 Autumn 1
(153) Schmidty unvotes Jackal, votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 5 Autumn 1
(163) Jackal votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1
(179) Danny votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 1
(188) Chief unvotes Darth, votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 2
(193) JAG unvotes Darth, votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 1 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(213) GE votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 1 Chief 3 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(219) Telle votes Darth - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 3 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(221) LSG unvotes Autumn, votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 4 DT 6 LSG 3
(223) Danny unvotes LSG, votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 5 DT 6 LSG 2
(230) Chief unvotes LSG, votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 5 DT 7 LSG 1

[PurdueBrad]

I want to get a vote in, so based on some of the LSG interplay, for now:

vote DarthV

[Lathum]

Alright, I don't want to be dense, but how do you propose we use our momentum to further build voting records from D1? If you think there's a clear candidate, I'm willing to listen.

Your point that Hitler 'could just as easily selected conspirators' is true, but obviously Hitler wants the meeting to succeed, so we would expect he tried to pick villagers. If that role that can PM Hitler once a day is in the game, presumably that player is in the meeting. Anyway, I still think we'll know something about the group from the meeting based on what the results of the meeting are. If the meeting fails, we vote that group relentlessly until we find at least one conspirator. If the meeting succeeds, it doesn't automatically clear the group, but I would rather look at other candidates for the time being.

There was a lot of interest in having a second candidate there towards the end, as people didn't feel wolfy about DT. The fact that LSG got pushed, and didn't quite make it, and then Chief, and almost made it, makes me wonder. Were people trying to get votes away from KWhit or Darth, the other two contenders at that point? I think Chief, Darth or KWhit are ones to look at, to me.

I can see your point also, JAG, but I think it pays to follow up on the vote history we have. Eventually we'll come back to it, better to clear it up now then wait three days.

Autumn laid it out pretty well.

I think the bolded part is a terrible strategy. What if there is 1 conspiritor in the group? Are you willing to trade 6 Nazi's, possibly including Hitler and the role that can PM him ( forgot his name), for 1 conspiritor.

I realize that is worst case scenerio, but I don't think it can be as black and white as that.

I say we play regular WW today and pending the outcome of the meeting we look at alternative strategies.

[PurdueBrad]

We're hit or miss with internet signal right now but I will definitely have signal after 3 pm CST>

[The Jackal]

This is a gut feeling and slightly vote-based. Not set in stone but I feel like voting earlier today.

VOTE NTN

[Chief Rum]

Anyone have any reasons they can give for the change of heart from DV to LSG that happened late yesterday? That seemed pretty random when I read through it earlier.

You need to re-read it then. There was a lot of discussion about LSG, and I don't know how you could read that and think that it was random.

That said, I don't have a big issue being a target because I don't have a role, and it's not a big loss for the Nazi Party to lose me.

That said, if anyone's hoping to gain vote knowledge from putting me up, you're not going to gain anything unless the other candidate is a conspirator.

[Autumn]

For now I'm just going to go with my vote yesterday. I'm not sure if people were trying to move away from him. Might as well try it again and see.

VOTE DARTH VILUS

[Chief Rum]

Obviously, I have checked in here now, but I am still at work and unlikely to be able to check in much further. I will probably be putting in a vote around the meeting time tonight (which is also when I leave work).

[JAG]

Autumn laid it out pretty well.

I think the bolded part is a terrible strategy. What if there is 1 conspiritor in the group? Are you willing to trade 6 Nazi's, possibly including Hitler and the role that can PM him ( forgot his name), for 1 conspiritor.

I realize that is worst case scenerio, but I don't think it can be as black and white as that.

I say we play regular WW today and pending the outcome of the meeting we look at alternative strategies.

Alright, point taken that I was hasty to say we vote them without any other consideration if the meeting fails, but my point was that we would know for sure there is at least one there, plus Danny in that group is already cleared, so it would give me more evidence to vote for one of them than if the meeting succeeds.

[KWhit]

You're in luck, I was just working on this:

Day 1:

(32) Schmidty votes Jackal - Jackal 1
(49) Danny votes GE - Jackal 1 GE 1
(80) Darth votes KWhit - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1
(86) Abe votes Lathum - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1
(87) Lathum votes Schmidty - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1
(89) JAG votes Darth - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 1
(91) Autumn votes Darth - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 2
(92) ntn votes Chief - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 2 Chief 1
(96) DT votes Lathum - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 2 Schmidty 1 Darth 2 Chief 1
(102) Lathum unvotes Schmidty, votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 1
(105) PB votes KWhit - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 1
(106) J23 votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 2
(108)LSG votes Autumn - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 2 Autumn 1
(110) bulletspong votes Chief - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 2 Autumn 1
(113) hoopsguy votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 3 Autumn 1
(122) Danny unvotes GE - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 3 Autumn 1
(125) Abe unvotes Lathum, votes DT - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 4 Autumn 1
(129) Chief votes Darth - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 4 Autumn 1
(153) Schmidty unvotes Jackal, votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 5 Autumn 1
(163) Jackal votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1
(179) Danny votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 1
(188) Chief unvotes Darth, votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 2
(193) JAG unvotes Darth, votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 1 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(213) GE votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 1 Chief 3 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(219) Telle votes Darth - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 3 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(221) LSG unvotes Autumn, votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 4 DT 6 LSG 3
(223) Danny unvotes LSG, votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 5 DT 6 LSG 2
(230) Chief unvotes LSG, votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 5 DT 7 LSG 1

Thanks, JAG.

[KWhit]

This is a gut feeling and slightly vote-based. Not set in stone but I feel like voting earlier today.

VOTE NTN

Care to elaborate? How do you mean, slightly vote based?

Just curious what you're thinking here as I have no read at all on him.

[The Jackal]

Care to elaborate? How do you mean, slightly vote based?

Just curious what you're thinking here as I have no read at all on him.

I was looking at buried votes (early votes on both knowns and unknowns) and since CR has struck a few people the wrong way, NTN's vote pinged me as a possible wolf on wolf early vote, especially since people don't like voting CR on day one because of his inability to be in the thread at times.

There's not much, but it's just a feeling.

[KWhit]

I was looking at buried votes (early votes on both knowns and unknowns) and since CR has struck a few people the wrong way, NTN's vote pinged me as a possible wolf on wolf early vote, especially since people don't like voting CR on day one because of his inability to be in the thread at times.

There's not much, but it's just a feeling.

So your suspicion of NTN is based on thinking that CR is a wolf? Why not just vote for CR if that's the case?

[The Jackal]

So your suspicion of NTN is based on thinking that CR is a wolf? Why not just vote for CR if that's the case?

I'd say its 40/60 his vote and my gut, so that's why I'm voting for NTN over CR. I'm not convinced CR is a wolf, but other people seem to think its likely.

[The Jackal]

If it ends up being a DV vs CR showdown or something, I'll certainly move, but just letting you all know where my gut is at right now.

[KWhit]

I'd say its 40/60 his vote and my gut, so that's why I'm voting for NTN over CR. I'm not convinced CR is a wolf, but other people seem to think its likely.

Okay, thanks. Just trying to figure all this out (and failing currently).

I'm still troubled by PB's wolf victory in the Soccer game, so I'm trying to keep my eyes on the UTR guys like NTN in this one.

[The Jackal]

Yeah, and it never hurts to put a vote on people to see how they'll react.

[GoldenEagle]

I am checking in during my lunch break. It looks like nothing has really changed. If I had to vote right now, it would be Darth Vilus. But as many of you know, I like to save my vote for the deadline.

[Chief Rum]

I was looking at buried votes (early votes on both knowns and unknowns) and since CR has struck a few people the wrong way, NTN's vote pinged me as a possible wolf on wolf early vote, especially since people don't like voting CR on day one because of his inability to be in the thread at times.

There's not much, but it's just a feeling.

There some some inaccuracies here.

My involvement in the vote yesterday is seen as a possible determiner of value fo rthe vote. I wouldn't say too many have been "struck wrong" by me. I don't think I have done much that would be considered wolfish in and of itself, and the primary interest me is because of something completely out of my hands--the mad rush to lynch me at the end of the day. My DV vote was a Day One vote I had no real confidence in, and my LSG vote was based on the reasoning given at the time, which was enough, I should point out, to get Danny to use his duke option in her.

Second, I don't think people shied away from voting me yesterday. That seems to be a standard reactionary Chief Rum opinion that doesn't hold int his specific case. I had two votes while it was known I would be gone until just before deadline, and then I was present for the entire time leading up to the deadline, and vocally present (it was clear to anyone there that I was in attendance) for the entire late vote moves.

Once again, I don't want to be lynched, because I am not a wolf, so my death gains the village nothing. But I have no role, so I don't really cost anything either--except what I represent as a voter and thread contributor. So if I am to be the target of votes, I would hope it would be because the village has weighed the benefit of having a vanilla villager Nazi around against what they can learn from my lynch and have determined that I should be lynched, value-wise. If I am being lynched because I appear to be "wolfish" or because of inaccuracies like the above, I would certainly challenge anyone to back that up, because if I am going to be targeted, I want it to be for the right reasons.

[Darth Vilus]

Right now I've got my eye on Chief Rum, GoldenEagle, and Lathum. That will probably change since it is only day two but that's who im looking at right now, just have a feeling on Rum, GE really seems adamant about me in particular which raises a few flags (why would the conspirators move away from one of themselves when they weren't in that much danger? I did have a few votes but it looked like Daddy was the one going to go go over me, until the LSG move obviously), and a feeling on lathum as well. I had another reason but it escapes me at the moment, i'll lok again and see if it comes back to me.

Vote Chief Rum

Heil Hitler

[ntndeacon]

This is a gut feeling and slightly vote-based. Not set in stone but I feel like voting earlier today.

VOTE NTN

I will go ahead and mention this I purposely chose to not vote for someone with votes. My choice of CR was only a nod to his abilities in the game. Yesterday I had 4 classes plus a lunch meeting (when I would normally post) plus My first time back at choral practice in a month :D My goal is not to be as UTR as usual, but we shall see what devellops

[Autumn]

I will go ahead and mention this I purposely chose to not vote for someone with votes. My choice of CR was only a nod to his abilities in the game. Yesterday I had 4 classes plus a lunch meeting (when I would normally post) plus My first time back at choral practice in a month :D My goal is not to be as UTR as usual, but we shall see what devellops

Wait, you voted Chief because he's good at the game? That doesn't sound good.

[ntndeacon]

Yeah, and it never hurts to put a vote on people to see how they'll react.

Yea this is true. I know I tend to respond at my first oppurtunity with a vote on me.

[bulletsponge]

Vote Chief Rum

if i remember correctly, he tried to get heat off himself and onto LSG yesterday by switching his vote from DT to LSG. a move that he knew would show DT to be a loyal Nazi at lynch. he didnt expect LSG to be duked (or whatever its called in this game) to show his move to be hollow "look i took my vote off a villager late in the vote to show im also good" move

[Lathum]

anyone have a vote count?

[ntndeacon]

Wait, you voted Chief because he's good at the game? That doesn't sound good.

As a day one vote, I don't think it is that bad, especially for a first vote on someone.

[Autumn]

Darth 2 - Purdue, Autumn
Chief 2 - Darth, Bullet
NTN 1 - Jackal

is what I've got.

[Darth Vilus]

alright, going to work now and wont' be back to 9:30 pm my time. let's see if we can do a bit better than yesterday yeah?

Heil Hitler

[J23]

I am checking in during my lunch break. It looks like nothing has really changed. If I had to vote right now, it would be Darth Vilus. But as many of you know, I like to save my vote for the deadline.

How is this different then putting your vote on now and then coming back to potentially change it at deadline? If you did put your vote on now, it would ensure you voted if something unexpected came up.

[KWhit]

How is this different then putting your vote on now and then coming back to potentially change it at deadline? If you did put your vote on now, it would ensure you voted if something unexpected came up.

Yeah. That's what I should have done yesterday.

I usually like to wait to place a vote also, but that's caused me problems over the past few games with missed votes here and there. Now that my wife and I are being more social since we have a live-in babysitter (my sister-in-law is living with us now), my nights are more filled and less predictable and I sometimes don't make it to the computer before deadline.

I'm going to start placing earlier votes than usual now to try to avoid this in the future.

[Lathum]

Vote NTN

early vote on CR, who is a very good villager. Plus at the time there were 6 people who already had votes on them, including Darth who had 2. So instead of consolidating he brought a 7th person into the mix.

[JAG]

Vote Chief Rum

if i remember correctly, he tried to get heat off himself and onto LSG yesterday by switching his vote from DT to LSG. a move that he knew would show DT to be a loyal Nazi at lynch. he didnt expect LSG to be duked (or whatever its called in this game) to show his move to be hollow "look i took my vote off a villager late in the vote to show im also good" move

That's actually not what happened. He was voting Darth earlier in the day, switched to LSG, and at the end to DT.

[J23]

Also KWhit, in this case, GE has stated who he would like to vote for which lets others potentially use that as momentum to also vote on that person. This type of non-vote also isn't reflected on voting record recaps, so it might be overlooked when looking for patterns.

I just really don't like this method at all.

[KWhit]

Also KWhit, in this case, GE has stated who he would like to vote for which lets others potentially use that as momentum to also vote on that person. This type of non-vote also isn't reflected on voting record recaps, so it might be overlooked when looking for patterns.

I just really don't like this method at all.

Yes, yes. I agree with what you say here.

I was mainly using your post to kind of stream of consciousness state my intentions and explain a possible change in voting pattern moving forward. I usually vote late. But now, I'm going to try to force myself to vote earlier - and I don't want anyone who may know my style to read anything weird into that.

But you bring up a totally good point about the non-vote type of post he threw out there. However, I feel slightly okay about GE because of his vote on CR last night. He voted there instead of on DT (a known villager) and had two known villagers follow him onto CR. That makes me feel less inclined to vote for him than on someone who voted for DT (barely), but your point is sound.

[KWhit]

So I keep thinking about voting for Darth because of all the late un-votes that took the pressure off of him. One of the key un-votes was CR which I think has led to suspicion of him.

However, CR's original vote on Darth was here:

(Post 129) Chief votes Darth - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 4 Autumn 1

Which means he really closed the gap between DT and Darth, putting Darth in jeopardy for sure. Now later, JAG and CR unvoted Darth to take the pressure off, but I have to say... If my original suspicions were correct that Darth and CR were both wolves, It doesn't seem like a smart wolf play to vote for CR to vote to bring Darth to within one vote of the lead like that.

So my initial suspicions surrounding CR's vote switches seem likely to be innocent for now. I am still interested in looking closer at Darth, though. I think it's more likely that Darth is a wolf than Chief Rum.

Vote Darth V

[Telle]

Votes as of post #436:

3 - Darth Vilus - PurdueBrad (403), Autumn (408), KWhit (436)
2 - ntndeacon - The Jackal (406), Lathum (432)
2 - Chief Rum - Darth vilus (421), bulletsponge (425)

[Telle]

Not sure if I'll be back before deadline or not, so I'm voting now.. and I see no reason to spread the vote out further.

vote Chief Rum

[ntndeacon]

Vote NTN

early vote on CR, who is a very good wolf. Plus at the time there were 6 people who already had votes on them, including Darth who had 2. So instead of consolidating he brought a 7th person into the mix.

fixed for you. and I explained the voting for a 7th member instead of consolidation.

[ntndeacon]

I have had a couple folks ping my radar but none in the current round of voting. I know that I am a loyal and faithful Nazi, I haven't been convinced that CR is anything other than what he says he is. And DV rings to me as being too confrontational to be a wolf...(yes I do realize that is a good way to hide wolfishness) But I like the idea of seeing about the folks that left thier DV votes yesterday...So...

Vote Darth Vilius

[Abe Sargent]

I iknda want to wait tody until after the meeting results before cassting my vote.

[ntndeacon]

understandable Abe. I imagine if Iam here the results of that meeting may change mine and a whole lot of other's votes depending on what happens.

[Autumn]

Yeah, I actually was thinking a bit like JAG, but hoping to not spell it out for the wolves before the meeting. I'm afraid that now they may choose not to sabotage things just to make it harder to find them, whereas I had hoped to see the results of the meeting and then be able to examine those results for that purpose.

[Lathum]

I iknda want to wait tody until after the meeting results before cassting my vote.

I didn't ever realize the meeting was 3 hours prior to deadline.

I saw 7 and my brain thought the meeting was the same time as the deadline because the deadline is 7 my time.

My only problem is I may not be on after 2:30 my time. I have class than am going to a happy hour for a co worker of my wife who is leaving. My vote may have to stand

[Lathum]

Yeah, I actually was thinking a bit like JAG, but hoping to not spell it out for the wolves before the meeting. I'm afraid that now they may choose not to sabotage things just to make it harder to find them, whereas I had hoped to see the results of the meeting and then be able to examine those results for that purpose.

We are on the same page, I was thinking the same thing, just because the meeting goes well doesn't mean there aren't any conspiritors. A good way to gain some trust would be to nit sabatouge the meeting. Especially given the fact they killed 3 Nazi's day one, giving them some wiggle room.

[EagleFan]

As of post 445:

Darth Vilus 4 - PurdueBad (403), Autumn (408), KWhit (436), ntndeacon (440)
ntndeacon 2 - The Jackal (406), Lathum (432)
Chief Rum 3 - Darh Vilus (421), bulletsponge (425), Telle (438)


Yet to Vote: Schmidty, Danny, GoldenEagle, J23, Abe Sargent, Chief Rum, JAG

[Danny]

Chief Rum did have a vote on Darth yesterday that could have established him as the second candidate against DT, so I doubt they both would be wolves.

I think a Darth, Chief run off is fine and could tell us some good info.

For now I will vote Chief as we know it wasn't a group of wolves putting the run on him. If he is a wolf I also wouldn't be surprised if one of the two early voters on him was a wolf also.

Vote Chief Rum

[Autumn]

I'll be leaving in a few minutes to get dinner ready, then put the kids to bed. I won't be back until sometime after the meeting, for real, though I may get a chance to peek in and see how it goes.

[The Jackal]

I'll also wait until after the meeting for any movement, but I probably won't stick on NTN if it goes like this. Leaning towards CR because of my initial reasoning for NTN, but I think Darth is a good candidate. So, in other words, no decision here yet.

[JAG]

Yeah, I actually was thinking a bit like JAG, but hoping to not spell it out for the wolves before the meeting. I'm afraid that now they may choose not to sabotage things just to make it harder to find them, whereas I had hoped to see the results of the meeting and then be able to examine those results for that purpose.

That presumes that the conspirators have a choice in the matter. I expect the meeting outcome to be more of a 'if you invited x # of conspirators, meeting fails' or more likely 'if x percent of the participants are conspirators, meeting fails' rather than they get to choose whether to sabotage the meeting or not if they were invited. Plus even if that's not the case, I would imagine the wolves would be wary of what extra powers the villagers would get N2 upon conclusion of a successful meeting.

[Danny]

Unfortunately I have class before the meeting and will have to leave my vote before hand. I might be able to get on during class as this is the only one I don't mind using my laptop during (since I actually don't learn anything).

[JAG]

VOTE DARTH

I feel worse about Darth than CR personally.

[Autumn]

That presumes that the conspirators have a choice in the matter. I expect the meeting outcome to be more of a 'if you invited x # of conspirators, meeting fails' or more likely 'if x percent of the participants are conspirators, meeting fails' rather than they get to choose whether to sabotage the meeting or not if they were invited. Plus even if that's not the case, I would imagine the wolves would be wary of what extra powers the villagers would get N2 upon conclusion of a successful meeting.

Yeah, hopefully.

[EagleFan]

November 8, 1939: Georg Elser, a German citizen who despised the freedom restrictions which were placed upon the workers, poor working conditions and low wages.

Elser was a skilled carpenter and had previously worked in a watch/clock factory. Combining these two skills Elser crafted a time bomb in a plan to assassinate Hitler.

Hitler was due to give a speach in Burberbraukeller, a beer hall in Munch. Elser began preparing months in advance as he hollowed out a wodden pillar to house the bomb near where Hitler should be standing to give the speach.

He packed the bomb in days in advance, set it to go off at 9:20 PM the evening of the speach as Hitler was to begin at 9:00. He crafted the device in a manner to deaden the sound of the ticking timer.

Many consider this to have been the most carefully planned attempt of any of the assassination attempts. The work that went into creating the bomb, the precision of the timer, creating the space inthe pillar for the bomb and the carpentery that went into covering it up were all carried out in a precise and skillful manner.

Hitler changed his plans at the last minute due to bad weather at the airport and instead spoke earlier than expected so that he could take a tain bak to Berlin that night instead of his usual plane. He concluded his speach at 9:07, just 13 minutes before the bomb went off.

The bomb killed 8 people and wounded 60 others. Research shows that if Hitler had been standing in the location where he was giving the speach there is almost no chance that he would have survived the blast and history would have been drastically altered.

[EagleFan]

As of post 454:

Darth Vilus 5 - PurdueBad (403), Autumn (408), KWhit (436), ntndeacon (440), JAG (452)
ntndeacon 2 - The Jackal (406), Lathum (432)
Chief Rum 4 - Darh Vilus (421), bulletsponge (425), Telle (438), Danny (447)


Yet to Vote: Schmidty, GoldenEagle, J23, Abe Sargent, Chief Rum

[J23]

Not really wanting to vote for the folks up on the block, so I'm holding my vote until after the meeting. Just an FYI as for why I haven't voted someone yet.

[The Jackal]

I like the history notes, EF.

[Schmidty]

Checking in after work. I'll catch up later, as I have to pick my daughter from her after-school karate.

[Abe Sargent]

I didn't ever realize the meeting was 3 hours prior to deadline.

I saw 7 and my brain thought the meeting was the same time as the deadline because the deadline is 7 my time.

My only problem is I may not be on after 2:30 my time. I have class than am going to a happy hour for a co worker of my wife who is leaving. My vote may have to stand

No problem if you dnot have the time

[EagleFan]

As the time for the meeting nears Hitler sends for everyone early. The meetnig will begin ahead of schedule. He calls everyone into the meeting room.

Danny
Telle
GoldenEagle
JAG
J23
Kwhit
PurdueBrad

Enter the room and the meeting begins (Hitler may or may not be in the list).

"Our topic today is the defense of our homeland." Hitler begins, "We must prepare against a potential invasion from the allies. There are many dangers which we face. We must now not only defeat an enemy that is inferior to us but has become like an annoying fly that won't go away until you crush it but we now have a traitor in our midst."

"What we need is a strong defense along the coast, one which will slow them and throw them back into the sea." One voice offers.

"No, we let them land, squash them on the beach and they will not return."

The meeting has several tense moments of debate as it become clear that some of the people in the meeting are not quite suited for discussing matters of defense but they begin to take a minor role and allow those who have the ability to take the lead.

Overall the meeting goes over well. Hitler will gain an additional order tonight, the details will be known only by him.

[JAG]

From the write-up (assuming it wasn't just flavor), it sounds like there was a conspirator in the meeting, but overall the outcome favored us so that's good.

[Schmidty]

From the write-up (assuming it wasn't just flavor), it sounds like there was a conspirator in the meeting, but overall the outcome favored us so that's good.

I was thinking the same thing. If there was, they obviously failed.

[J23]

Sweet. Nice job picking the people for the meeting.

[GoldenEagle]

Also KWhit, in this case, GE has stated who he would like to vote for which lets others potentially use that as momentum to also vote on that person. This type of non-vote also isn't reflected on voting record recaps, so it might be overlooked when looking for patterns.

I just really don't like this method at all.

That is just the way i like to play. Its boring for me to vote early. I like to vote right around the deadline most of the time. It creates a little controversy and mystery.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay all, let's see what the successful meeting brings. I wanna read theinfo a few times to see if I can divine something from it.

[Abe Sargent]

As the time for the meeting nears Hitler sends for everyone early. The meetnig will begin ahead of schedule. He calls everyone into the meeting room.

Danny
Telle
GoldenEagle
JAG
J23
Kwhit
PurdueBrad




No question Danny belongs on this list. Why the others?

[Chief Rum]

Interesting meeting. I wish those of us outside of the meeting had more of an idea of what just happened. Hopefully more will become apparent soon.

In any case, it looks like I am going to be out for the night. As I am one of those under serious consideration, I will make my last stance and case, and leave it to the rest of you.

This is re-stating, but I'll say it again: I am just a vanilla Nazi. So killing me hoping to find a wolf will gain nothing. That said, some feel they will learn something from my death, so if I die, you will lose only a vanilla Nazi.

I know already, however, that yesterday's late push on me only created a villager vs villager vote battle, so whatever information you're seeking, you're not going to get it from lynching me.

I didn't have much of a reason besides a Day One reason for voting for Darth yesterday. As usual, there wasn't much to go on. He has since acted somewhat oddly at times, and now I feel better about that vote. That said, at the time, Danny made a good and fair case for the possibility LSG was a wolf, and so I switched. It was a reasonable guess, one Danny bet his game action on. I don't feel bad about switching to LSG (unless DV is a wolf, of course). My last switch to DT was pure self-preservation.

Since I know last night was villager vs villager, I can't really offer any hypotheses for the run on me. Villagers would have known nothing (and two known villagers were involved), and conspirators would have had no reason to push me up into contention. So I would look at early voters for DT and (when you see I am speaking the truth) myself for your conspirators.

In the unlikely event, you all choose DV over me, I will help my own cause. Pure self-preservation again, although I do suspect DV is a conspirator.

VOTE DARTH VILIUS

Good luck, and hopefully I will be alive after the deadline.

[Abe Sargent]

GE or J23, did you guys get pmd?

[Abe Sargent]

Alright, since it seems the meeting is successful, let's go outside it for now.

[Abe Sargent]

Whats the argument against CR?

[J23]

Nope. I don't know anything more about the meeting than what was posted here.

[Chief Rum]

Whats the argument against CR?

The rational ones want to lynch me for the information they think it will provide them for yesterday's vote. Of course, if it turns out I am a loyal Nazi, they really gain nothing (but at least it's an understandable reason).

Some others have drummed up "he's wolfish" reasons, trying to make out the LSG switch or the move away from DV as being wolf moves, while others have just dropped little to no thought into their vote, copycatting previous votes (the equivalent of "ditto"). That's prime wolf move, BTW, I would look at that down the road.

The LSG switch had some logical sense to it, enough for a known villager to make a bold gut call. It would seem to disingenious to call it "wolfish" now. Misguided, yes. Wolfish? That's a reach. And a move away from DV makes no sense as a wolf move for me, because I was the one who put him in danger earlier, getting him within one of DT at that time, and DV was still the lead "second" voter when I switched to LSG. If I am a wolf and DV is a wolf, why would I have put him in danger in the first place? If I am a wolf and DV is not a wolf, why would I bother to call attention to myself by switching to LSG? Doesn't make sense as a "wolfish" move.

But, hey, people will believe what they want to. Heck, even Danny voted for me, and I made the same move he did.

[Schmidty]

Whats the argument against CR?

That's what I'm wondering, because I can't decide who to vote for. I have a gut-feeling person, but I can't vote them because it would be pointless because of the run-off between CR and Darth.

[Chief Rum]

That's what I'm wondering, because I can't decide who to vote for. I have a gut-feeling person, but I can't vote them because it would be pointless because of the run-off between CR and Darth.

If it's GE, I agree with you.

[Chief Rum]

All right, now I really have to go. See y'all later.

P.S. In case I am lynched, EagleFan love the assassination history stuff. Reminds me of Abe's mine union game, where he did the same thing (and that was also well done and interesting). Keep it up.

[Abe Sargent]

Alright, my woman is here, and I want to go and give her my time, so no more WW for now.

Looks like there is a two-way going on, and CR doesn;t get my vote from his votes yesterday, that's silly. So DV, sorry, but it looks like I'ma voting your way.

Vote Darth V

[PurdueBrad]

Sounds like the meeting went well, very nice!

[EagleFan]

As of post 477:

Darth Vilus 7 - PurdueBad (403), Autumn (408), KWhit (436), ntndeacon (440), JAG (452), Chief Rum (467), Abe Sargent (476)
ntndeacon 2 - The Jackal (406), Lathum (432)
Chief Rum 4 - Darh Vilus (421), bulletsponge (425), Telle (438), Danny (447)


Yet to Vote: Schmidty, GoldenEagle, J23

[The Jackal]

I'm going to keep it interesting. Again, I think both of these are good candidates. I hope one or both are conspirators, but at least it should tell us some things going forwards.

UNVOTE NTN

VOTE CR

[Schmidty]

Guess I'll make it even closer, because I don't feel good about voting for either player. I don't want to see a run-away on either side.

[Schmidty]

Guess I'll make it even closer, because I don't feel good about voting for either player. I don't want to see a run-away on either side.

Oops, forgot to add this:

Vote Chief Rum

[The Jackal]

You really like being in the spotlight, don't you, GE? That's what voting at the end of the day often does.

[EagleFan]

As of post 482:

Darth Vilus 7 - PurdueBad (403), Autumn (408), KWhit (436), ntndeacon (440), JAG (452), Chief Rum (467), Abe Sargent (476)
ntndeacon 1 - Lathum (432)
Chief Rum 6 - Darth Vilus (421), bulletsponge (425), Telle (438), Danny (447), The Jackal (479), Schmidty (481)


Yet to Vote: GoldenEagle, J23

[GoldenEagle]

You really like being in the spotlight, don't you, GE? That's what voting at the end of the day often does.

Its a defense tactic. If I am always looking suspicious, the wolves will leave me alive because they know I could be up for a lynch. So far, I have managed to talk myself out of every lynch since I started playing again. I consider it a skill that benefits the village.

Plus it is fun and makes the game more interesting if I am involved. I will find myself bored and not paying attention if I am not creating a little controversy. It is probably more of an attention whore then wanting to be in the spotlight. :p

[The Jackal]

I'm pretty sure attention whore = wanting to be in the spotlight, to be honest. :p

[GoldenEagle]

Yea, you are right. Attention whore just sounds cooler.

[EagleFan]

We have a situation within the game and to be honest I don't know how to handle it at the moment.

A conspirator replied to another in a PM and accidentally included another player in the PM instead of me.

I want this to be known now as I really am at a loss at the moment for how to handle this one.

Suggestions?

If we only consistantly had that Reply All button still... :)

[Autumn]

Hmm, I haven't seen that happen before. Anybody have any precedents? Perhaps have that be the conversion if there hasn't been one, remove the other conversion mechanic from the game, and then punish the wolves somehow? Lose a night kill or something? What a mess.

[The Jackal]

That's tough from a GM standpoint. I don't really know what to suggest. You should ask the conspirators in general what they want to do, but it may have to include killing off both parties.

[JAG]

Doh, that sounds bad.

[The Jackal]

That's a fair idea Autumn, making that the convert, and giving the original convert some different sort of powers.

[JAG]

Not a bad combo of ideas.

[The Jackal]

I would suggest people PM EF from this point on with suggestions, so as not to try and lead people as to who the people involved in this situation were.

[Schmidty]

This game has been great so far - I hope it doesn't end because of something like this.

[Danny]

The rational ones want to lynch me for the information they think it will provide them for yesterday's vote. Of course, if it turns out I am a loyal Nazi, they really gain nothing (but at least it's an understandable reason).

Some others have drummed up "he's wolfish" reasons, trying to make out the LSG switch or the move away from DV as being wolf moves, while others have just dropped little to no thought into their vote, copycatting previous votes (the equivalent of "ditto"). That's prime wolf move, BTW, I would look at that down the road.

The LSG switch had some logical sense to it, enough for a known villager to make a bold gut call. It would seem to disingenious to call it "wolfish" now. Misguided, yes. Wolfish? That's a reach. And a move away from DV makes no sense as a wolf move for me, because I was the one who put him in danger earlier, getting him within one of DT at that time, and DV was still the lead "second" voter when I switched to LSG. If I am a wolf and DV is a wolf, why would I have put him in danger in the first place? If I am a wolf and DV is not a wolf, why would I bother to call attention to myself by switching to LSG? Doesn't make sense as a "wolfish" move.

But, hey, people will believe what they want to. Heck, even Danny voted for me, and I made the same move he did.

I am voting to know about votes from yesterday, I think either a Darth lynch or you tells us a good amount potentially. My vote is definitely not stuck on you.

[PurdueBrad]

I agree with what was said above. Make the accidentally included villager a convert, give the current player that could be converted a power (another bg, duke, or seer I guess) and go from there. Tough one.

[The Jackal]

Unless of course the person CCed was Hitler. We don't want him converted. ;)

[Autumn]

Heh, well Hitler was kind of loony ;-)

[Autumn]

Anyway, the meeting looked like a success. So it seems like maybe there was just one conspirator, and they need at least two to mess things up? Or else, as posited before, they may have the choice of expending the energy to sabotage things, like in the Marvel game, and chose not to.

I like having this close runoff at least. Hopefully we'll get all the votes in this time and figure something out.

[EagleFan]

Another idea which as come up is giving the player that received the PM the role of the person who sent it and then killing off the sender. This would potentially effect the fewest number of people/roles. The conspiracy would then have no action tonight and the bonus action for tonight will carry over to night 3.

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