WW CV: Transformers (D5, day ends Friday 9 PM EST)

[Passacaglia]

I just looked back, and you were right, there was a vote on dubb, by Darth Vilus. And dubb voted me, post 438. So before your vote, it looks like it was 1-1.

[Autumn]

Ah, okay. Thanks for doing my work for me. Well WW work, while I do my real work. I'll leave it be then.

[Passacaglia]

No problem. Since we've got Lathum needing to prove his ability, I don't mind being the guinea pig who either takes one for the team to nab a wolf, or to get cleared. Although I still think it's better if people vote for wolves instead of me, since a wolf is more likely to be against this, even if they can get resurrected, and therefore the vote will be more meaningful.

[Danny]

I have to leave for class in a little bit. I may be able to be on before deadline, but maybe not. Still not sure where I want to vote though.

[Danny]

Alright

Vote Render

Render is someone I usually have a tough time reading and is among the list of players it looks like we should focus on until more info is out. I am going to try and be on before deadline to potentially make a switch and look at things further.

[Autumn]

All right, I'm out probably until deadline. It's been a weird day for lack of voting. Here's hoping we get one.

[Schmidty]

So wait. There only 2 votes so far? Weird.

I don't know who to vote for, so I'm going to go with dubb because he's pretty UTR, and I'm used to him being loud. Maybe my vote will re-ignite our old rivalry! ;)

Vote dubb

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count as of #507

dubb93 (2)- Darth Vilus (430), Schmidty (507)
Pass (2)- Dubb93 (438), Autumn (496)
RendeR (1)- Danny (505)

[LoneStarGirl]

My trust list for the moment:

Clear:
GoldenEagle
The Jackal

Not Voting for due to reveals/scans:
Lerriuqs
DaddyTorgo
Lathum
EagleFan
Lerriuqs
AlanT

Unsure of for gut reasons:
Passacaglia
LonestarGirl
dubb93

No read:
Darth Vilius
JAG
Schmidty
J23
RendeR
KWhit

Unfortunately I don't have anything but gut right now. I took too long compiling the vote list and the rest of my day is filled up. I would like to vote for one of my gut reads up there but will hold on and see if any of them turn up in anyone else's analysis.

Why are you unsure of me? I was one of the first ones to advocate not votin for Jackal. Then he turns up as one of the top villagers in this game!

[LoneStarGirl]

Vote Count as of #507

dubb93 (2)- Darth Vilus (430), Schmidty (507)
Pass (2)- Dubb93 (438), Autumn (496)
RendeR (1)- Danny (505)


Lets make this an even race

vote RendeR

I have a volleyball game tonight at 8, and i have to go shopping before hand, so i will only be around an hour and a half more. Hope we can liven this up soon

[Schmidty]

Lets make this an even race

vote RendeR

I have a volleyball game tonight at 8, and i have to go shopping before hand, so i will only be around an hour and a half more. Hope we can liven this up soon

Typical woman!!!!!

[GoldenEagle]

I am also going to have to go ahead and vote as I am referring a soccer game tonight. There is not much to go on at this point, I am sure things will pick up by the deadline.

VOTE DUBB93

I will admit that I have nothing to go on and it is just a shot in the dark.

[dubb93]

I don't know who to vote for, so I'm going to go with dubb because he's pretty UTR, and I'm used to him being loud. Maybe my vote will re-ignite our old rivalry! ;)

Vote dubb

I dare ask who hasn't been UTR today. I made it clear when I signed up for this game that I wouldn't have the time available to dedicate to this game that I normally have and I am living up to that promise. Just don't lynch me for telling the truth before the game even started.

[Danny]

I got to class early, so am on my laptop until it starts. Not much action though.

[dubb93]

I gave you an argument for Pass. He is the only candidate today with any kind of case presented against them. It seems the case from everyone else is, eh, I have a feeling. You don't want to lose my role b/c Darth had a feeling.

[Schmidty]

I dare ask who hasn't been UTR today. I made it clear when I signed up for this game that I wouldn't have the time available to dedicate to this game that I normally have and I am living up to that promise. Just don't lynch me for telling the truth before the game even started.

My bad. I missed that you said that.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count as of #516

dubb93 (3)- Darth Vilus (430), Schmidty (507), GoldenEagle (512)
Pass (2)- Dubb93 (438), Autumn (496)
RendeR (2)- Danny (505), LSG (510)

[Passacaglia]

I gave you an argument for Pass. He is the only candidate today with any kind of case presented against them. It seems the case from everyone else is, eh, I have a feeling. You don't want to lose my role b/c Darth had a feeling.

dubb, keep in mind that we won't lose your role -- Lathum is going to revive whoever is lynched, so we can start building a COT.

[The Jackal]

VOTE PASS

Just a feeling, and this is Lathum's day anyways.

[RendeR]

I'm fine with making this a two horse race, and since I never seem to get Passacaglia right when I play this game I might as well vote to save myself (yes I know its very early, sue me for not wanting to MISS it)

VOTE PASS

[RendeR]

DOH, damnit Jackal =)

[Passacaglia]

I'm fine with making this a two horse race, and since I never seem to get Passacaglia right when I play this game I might as well vote to save myself (yes I know its very early, sue me for not wanting to MISS it)

VOTE PASS

It's okay, no one ever gets me right. At least, when they think I'm a wolf they don't get me right.

Where's Abe? He needs to come in here and play some Depeche Mode.

[DaddyTorgo]

goddamn crazy day - what's up?

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count as of #523

dubb93 (3)- Darth Vilus (430), Schmidty (507), GoldenEagle (512)
Pass (4)- Dubb93 (438), Autumn (496), Jackal (519), RendeR (520)
RendeR (2)- Danny (505), LSG (510)

[Lathum]

Vote Render

May as well keep it close.

going for a run

[RendeR]

Vote Render

May as well keep it close.

going for a run



How is voting for the 3rd vote getter keeping it close? we don't want or need 3 people, analysis works better with just two.

[Passacaglia]

I can make it a two-person race if you want. :)

[Lathum]

I don't agree with that.

And by running I mean I am going outside to run around and exercise.

Not that I am trying to get a run going on Render.

[KWhit]

I don't feel great about these candidates, but I don't have anyone else to offer up at the moment (yes, that means that I'm currently clueless about everyone right now).

VOTE DUBB93

[J23]

vote Pass

I really have no clue, and hopefully good guys will be ressurected. Have any of the vote getters said that having their role revealed would be terrible?

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count as of #530

dubb93 (4)- Darth Vilus (430), Schmidty (507), GoldenEagle (512), KWhit (529)
Pass (5)- Dubb93 (438), Autumn (496), Jackal (519), RendeR (520), J23 (530)
RendeR (3)- Danny (505), LSG (510), Lathum (525)

[Passacaglia]

PB, you've got me with 5 voters, but have a 4 by my name (it should be 5).

[PurdueBrad]

PB, you've got me with 5 voters, but have a 4 by my name (it should be 5).

Just trying to keep things interesting. ;) Thanks, it's fixed.

[Passacaglia]

vote Pass

I really have no clue, and hopefully good guys will be ressurected. Have any of the vote getters said that having their role revealed would be terrible?

I've said that mine would not, and dubb has said that we don't want to lose his role, but didn't say anything about what would happen if it was revealed.

[Schmidty]

Does anyone here ever worry about voting for people on their friends list on FB and stuff? Just curious because I sort of do sometimes. I guess that's a bad thing.

[Alan T]

Does anyone here ever worry about voting for people on their friends list on FB and stuff? Just curious because I sort of do sometimes. I guess that's a bad thing.


Nah, I don't. I have plenty of people I consider FOFC friends (and facebook friends) who I have voted for before. Generally unless someone is just a jerk beyond a game standpoint or says some nasty stuff, I don't take anything in the game personally vote or otherwise.

[JAG]

vote Pass

I'll hope this is some wolfy reverse psychology.

[Passacaglia]

vote Pass

I'll hope this is some wolfy reverse psychology.

Does that mean you're actually unvoting me?

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count as of #539

dubb93 (4)- Darth Vilus (430), Schmidty (507), GoldenEagle (512), KWhit (529)
Pass (6)- Dubb93 (438), Autumn (496), Jackal (519), RendeR (520), J23 (530), JAG (537)
RendeR (3)- Danny (505), LSG (510), Lathum (525)

[Passacaglia]

So y'all are going to vote for me, who's pretty much in line with the villager plan here, over "spooky role" guy, and secretive guy?

[DaddyTorgo]

let's bring it back a lil closer...

VOTE DUBB93

[Alan T]

So y'all are going to vote for me, who's pretty much in line with the villager plan here, over "spooky role" guy, and secretive guy?


Which one of the two are spooky role guy and which one is secretive guy? Just out of curiosity :)

[lerriuqs]

Vote RendeR

Not sure about dubb at this point, but not leaning towards a vote on him at this point.

[dubb93]

Which one of the two are spooky role guy and which one is secretive guy? Just out of curiosity :)

I hope I am the spooky role guy.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count as of #544

dubb93 (5)- Darth Vilus (430), Schmidty (507), GoldenEagle (512), KWhit (529), DaddyTorgo (541)
Pass (6)- Dubb93 (438), Autumn (496), Jackal (519), RendeR (520), J23 (530), JAG (537)
RendeR (4)- Danny (505), LSG (510), Lathum (525), lerriuqs (543)

[EagleFan]

Sorry, alomost slept throught he deadline, catching up.

[Passacaglia]

I hope I am the spooky role guy.

Yes, dubb is spooky role guy.

[RendeR]

So what am I being secretive about?

[Passacaglia]

So what am I being secretive about?

Your role?

[dubb93]

So what am I being secretive about?

I think Pass wants everyone to reveal except himself.

[Alan T]

I think Pass wants everyone to reveal except himself.


I personally don't understand that.

I think you reveal if your role is so critical that we can't take a chance on Lathum being good and bringing you back.

If your role is only so-so, why bother revealing? You likely won't get saved for your role and we'll find out when lathum resurrects you. (unless he is full of it)

[Passacaglia]

I think Pass wants everyone to reveal except himself.

Definitely. Unfortunately, I'm not sure the wolves will comply on that one.

[dubb93]

Definitely. Unfortunately, I'm not sure the wolves will comply on that one.

:confused:

[RendeR]

I personally don't understand that.

I think you reveal if your role is so critical that we can't take a chance on Lathum being good and bringing you back.

If your role is only so-so, why bother revealing? You likely won't get saved for your role and we'll find out when lathum resurrects you. (unless he is full of it)



This. And because of this I'm far happier about my vote right now. You don't go fishing for ROLE INFO. As a villager it gets you lynched, as a wolf it gives you away.

So I have to ask myself, why would Pass make such a bonehead move?

Ponderous.

[Passacaglia]

This. And because of this I'm far happier about my vote right now. You don't go fishing for ROLE INFO. As a villager it gets you lynched, as a wolf it gives you away.

So I have to ask myself, why would Pass make such a bonehead move?

Ponderous.

I guess it is. Although, it could just be that dubb and I have commented on our roles, and you haven't. In the process, neither of our roles are revealed. Were the comments dubb and I made boneheaded?

[EagleFan]

vote Pass

Looks too fishy at this point.

[RendeR]

I guess it is. Although, it could just be that dubb and I have commented on our roles, and you haven't. In the process, neither of our roles are revealed. Were the comments dubb and I made boneheaded?


The boneheaded part is trying to get me to talk about mine, how does that help us in any way?

You're smarter than that Pass ;)

[Passacaglia]

vote Pass

Looks too fishy at this point.

For the record, what is it that looks fishy?

[Alan T]

I was waiting to see where Eaglefan went, but he's holding out a while. I'm going to go ahead and get my vote in so I don't miss it for some silly reason though.

Pass already said he doesn't have a big role so either:

1) Lathum is telling the truth and will bring Pass back and we don't lose him anyways

or

2) Lathum is a wolf and Pass stays dead but we don't lose an important role at least and Pass can go to his grave knowing he helped net a wolf.

Vote Passacaglia

[Passacaglia]

The boneheaded part is trying to get me to talk about mine, how does that help us in any way?

You're smarter than that Pass ;)

Cut the condescension, please. The point is, dubb and I have spoken up about our roles, without revealing them. Given the plan we have going today, a little hint would go a long way.

VOTE RENDER

[EagleFan]

For the record, what is it that looks fishy?

I read it as you trying to fish people's roles into the open. Sounds kind of "wolfish", not that my read on the game has been great as of late though.

Maybe I am misreading it, still half asleep to be honest.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote Count as of #561

dubb93 (5)- Darth Vilus (430), Schmidty (507), GoldenEagle (512), KWhit (529), DaddyTorgo (541)
Pass (8)- Dubb93 (438), Autumn (496), Jackal (519), RendeR (520), J23 (530), JAG (537), EF (556), Alan T (559)
RendeR (5)- Danny (505), LSG (510), Lathum (525), lerriuqs (543), Passacaglia (560)

[Alan T]

I was waiting to see where Eaglefan went, but he's holding out a while. I'm going to go ahead and get my vote in so I don't miss it for some silly reason though.

Pass already said he doesn't have a big role so either:

1) Lathum is telling the truth and will bring Pass back and we don't lose him anyways

or

2) Lathum is a wolf and Pass stays dead but we don't lose an important role at least and Pass can go to his grave knowing he helped net a wolf.

Vote Passacaglia


To take my thought a little further. If Lathum is telling the truth, I'd rather not have us lynch the scanner 2.0 and have Lathum bring them back only to see them die again because the wolves know who their role is now. So since Pass has already given enough of a hint that his role isn't that important, it seems the safest play at this point.

[Passacaglia]

I read it as you trying to fish people's roles into the open. Sounds kind of "wolfish", not that my read on the game has been great as of late though.

Maybe I am misreading it, still half asleep to be honest.

We've got pure reveals for scanner and witness, someone else hinting at a powerful role -- what else could I possibly be fishing for?

[Passacaglia]

To take my thought a little further. If Lathum is telling the truth, I'd rather not have us lynch the scanner 2.0 and have Lathum bring them back only to see them die again because the wolves know who their role is now. So since Pass has already given enough of a hint that his role isn't that important, it seems the safest play at this point.

I actually agree with this. It would have been nice if more people voted for wolves instead of me, so we wouldn't have to make the safe play, though. Oh well.

[EagleFan]

We've got pure reveals for scanner and witness, someone else hinting at a powerful role -- what else could I possibly be fishing for?

Sorry, didn't see all of the back and forth. Now I see what you are getting at. Now I am actually a little more suspicious of RendeR to be honest. It's like he is hinting without really saying it so that way if the other seer role comes out he can claim that he never said he was the seer.

[RendeR]

Cut the condescension, please. The point is, dubb and I have spoken up about our roles, without revealing them. Given the plan we have going today, a little hint would go a long way.

VOTE RENDER


ANd any hint COULD very likely give away information that the decepticons would value and create a target for night kill. I'm not a fan of "lets toss everything on the table and play a game of attrition" its far less statistically successful.

You out of the blue label me as being "Secretive", with no real reason to, then make it appear that I'm not trying to help the cause by offering up information that could get me killed and at the VERY least I was never ASKED for.

Why on earth would I ever just randomly offer up information about my role? its not smart gaming. In ANY situation. This game is won and lost on facts known and uknown. I will never offer up information for no good reason.

I like everyone else, have a role. The bad guys don't need to know any more than that at this point. Its not being secretive its being smart.

[EagleFan]

Hopefully the point is moot and the lynch target ends up being brought back to life anyway.

[Passacaglia]

ANd any hint COULD very likely give away information that the decepticons would value and create a target for night kill. I'm not a fan of "lets toss everything on the table and play a game of attrition" its far less statistically successful.

You out of the blue label me as being "Secretive", with no real reason to, then make it appear that I'm not trying to help the cause by offering up information that could get me killed and at the VERY least I was never ASKED for.

Why on earth would I ever just randomly offer up information about my role? its not smart gaming. In ANY situation. This game is won and lost on facts known and uknown. I will never offer up information for no good reason.

I like everyone else, have a role. The bad guys don't need to know any more than that at this point. Its not being secretive its being smart.

ACTUALLY, you WERE asked FOR it. I answered THE question FOR dubb AND me, SINCE you HAD not ANSWERED. You COULD have AT least SAID, "I'd rather not say" -- back THEN.

[RendeR]

I actually agree with this. It would have been nice if more people voted for wolves instead of me, so we wouldn't have to make the safe play, though. Oh well.


Point us at the known wolf to vote for Pass. This statement is kind of ridiculous.

How does the fact that we have powerful roles already KNOWN make it any smarter to reveal ANY other role? it doesn't it just gives them that many more targets.

[RendeR]

ACTUALLY, you WERE asked FOR it. I answered THE question FOR dubb AND me, SINCE you HAD not ANSWERED. You COULD have AT least SAID, "I'd rather not say" -- back THEN.


WHere? I never saw anyone direct such a question at me, granted I've missed some posts. Who asked and when? Got a quote?

[Passacaglia]

Point us at the known wolf to vote for Pass. This statement is kind of ridiculous.

How does the fact that we have powerful roles already KNOWN make it any smarter to reveal ANY other role? it doesn't it just gives them that many more targets.

*points away from himself* Over there.

I never asked you to reveal your role. All I did was call you secretive. Now, I'm calling you defensive.

[Passacaglia]

vote Pass

I really have no clue, and hopefully good guys will be ressurected. Have any of the vote getters said that having their role revealed would be terrible?

Jesus, I have to do everything for you people.

[RendeR]

The more you try to be snide by imitating my typing for emphasis the more guilty you look.

[Danny]

On break from class, but about to start again, doesn't look like there is any need to change as the lynch looks pretty set.

[RendeR]

*points away from himself* Over there.

I never asked you to reveal your role. All I did was call you secretive. Now, I'm calling you defensive.


Ok so first you blindly (aka with no reason whatsoever) call me secretive, when I have not once been asked for any information. Ans of course just throwing info about our roles out there is the best possible plan of action.

So your opinion is that by not being stupid, I'm being a wolf?

Defensive is going off on a rant without any substance. I've got nothing but the facts supporting me. Your telling me that good play is wolf play and therefore I must be a wolf.

I don't buy it. Smells like rotten wiring.

[dubb93]

I can honestly say I didn't see this back and forth coming.

[PurdueBrad]

Deadline, I believe.

[RendeR]

Guess we'll find out momentarily.

[RendeR]

I can honestly say I didn't see this back and forth coming.


I agree with you. I was rather stunned when Pass came out after me with a blindside accusation like that. Makes me think he saw he was in a pinch and got desperate.

[PurdueBrad]

The Brawl on the Mall begins with an Autobot rush, as you attempt to take out the Decepticons who's aim appears to be the destruction of the monuments. As you rush into combat as a group, the ground shakes and rumbles, you watch as the Washington Monument and the Vietnam Memorial each fall into the ground. Before you know it, each of you falls as well.

The Decepticon trap has been sprung and Scorponok's underground destruction has worked. You find yourself thirty feet below the surface with water rushing in from a tunnel that Scorponok obviously dug to some water source. You scramble and fight to get out as panic sets in. But amid this panic, one voice reigns supreme, "Autobots, form a chain."

The great Optimus Prime instructs you to form a Transformer chain, that each person uses to climb out of the rapidly-filling pit.

The Decepticons have disappeared but somebody led you to this trap, who? You argue, and fight, and despite great dissension, you decide on Passacglia. He is sacrificed.

Pass was the resourceful, an Autobot named Arcee.

You wait for a similar miracle like yesterday...

and you wait...

and none comes.

[J23]

Jesus, I have to do everything for you people.

Not sure why you're pissy about me asking. There are loads of posts here and it's fairly easy to miss something. I'd rather ask the question rather than stay quiet and do something foolish because I was too proud to say something.

[PurdueBrad]

23 minutes to night deadline...

[Danny]

So no resurrection? Well, it looks like today will be an easy lynch choice.

[DaddyTorgo]

so i guess we'll see about lathum hmm?

[Alan T]

So no resurrection? Well, it looks like today will be an easy lynch choice.


Yep, I made it clear what my vote would be regardless of the excuse or reason if there was no resurrection.

[Danny]

so i guess we'll see about lathum hmm?

I re-read the ability description, it should have happened already from what I could gather.

[dubb93]

So no resurrection? Well, it looks like today will be an easy lynch choice.

Yea, no doubt Lathum was lieing at this point.

[dubb93]

Yep, I made it clear what my vote would be regardless of the excuse or reason if there was no resurrection.

I agree.

[RendeR]

Well yes indeed, it would appear that Lathum's ticket has been punched.

[Danny]

6. Slut- You can block the action of any player. If you choose Sam Witwicky, you will kill him on site but be exposed in game. You cannot do any other nightkill unless there are no other eligible Decepticons.

It is not 100% clear, but this looks to be a night time ability and thus I really don't see any valid excuse from Lathum.

[J23]

Yep, I really don't think Slut is a daytime power. At least I'll know who to vote for tomorrow!

[Lathum]

I did not put in an order to resurect Pass.

I had a sense Dubb had an important role based on this post.

I gave you an argument for Pass. He is the only candidate today with any kind of case presented against them. It seems the case from everyone else is, eh, I have a feeling. You don't want to lose my role b/c Darth had a feeling.

Based on my role I had to put in a conditional order in case I wasn't back in time. That order was to resurrect Dubb. Pass had gotten some heat and had indicated he didn't have a great role and at the time I left the vote was very much up in the air.

With all of us having a role I decided I wanted to wait until we were in a spot that we may be lynching someone much more important.

[Chief Rum]

Checking in.

Just a Go Bot.

[Danny]

Checking in.

Just a Go Bot.

What? Did you sub in for someone?

[Chief Rum]

What? Did you sub in for someone?

No. Bad joke. Ignore me.

[PurdueBrad]

No. Bad joke. Ignore me.

Good joke. Don't ignore him! HI CHIEF!!!

[RendeR]

Lathum:

If you have a conditional order, why not simply make it conditional one "whomever gets lynched tonight" or has PB vetoed that type of wording?

As excellent as your power is, building a CoT is still better at this point than trying to "save a one shot wonder" Assuming your power is one use only.

At this point you're going to get lynched tomorrow. Unless someone else comes up with some major info on a decepticon I can't understand why you wouldn't have done the one thing that would have cleared you and begun helping us build trust?

[Schmidty]

Sorry Lathum, but you're toast.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE LATHUM

[Schmidty]

Are we allowed to vote yet, DT? Night actions haven't been posted yet.

[dubb93]

Are you guys blood thirsty or what? Its not even day 3 yet and Lathum already has votes ;)

[EagleFan]

VOTE LATHUM




I don't know if we can vote until after the night deadline/results.

[DaddyTorgo]

eh, so i'll vote again in 5 minutes. whateva

[Lathum]

Lathum:

If you have a conditional order, why not simply make it conditional one "whomever gets lynched tonight" or has PB vetoed that type of wording?

As excellent as your power is, building a CoT is still better at this point than trying to "save a one shot wonder" Assuming your power is one use only.

At this point you're going to get lynched tomorrow. Unless someone else comes up with some major info on a decepticon I can't understand why you wouldn't have done the one thing that would have cleared you and begun helping us build trust?

I was not allowed to say "save whoever is lynched"

I decided I would rather use my power for it's intended purpose then just for the sake of using it.

If I bring back a wolf it costs us a day so I decided to condition Dubb assuming his role is more powerful than mine. I fully knew if someone else got lynched I was probably a goner.

[dubb93]

DT demands Lathum's head! It matters not that it is night 2 still.

[RendeR]

I was not allowed to say "save whoever is lynched"

I decided I would rather use my power for it's intended purpose then just for the sake of using it.

If I bring back a wolf it costs us a day so I decided to condition Dubb assuming his role is more powerful than mine. I fully knew if someone else got lynched I was probably a goner.


Fair enough. Not sure I actually think yer lying this time, but I honestly don't think any argument is going to save you tomorrow.

[Lathum]

Not sure what else I can say.

I think I had a perfectly plausible reason and was willing to stick my neck out. In a game where we all have roles I realize there is only so much I can say, but I wasn't going to waste my role when I felt like I could keep a stronger role alive ( stronger then me and PAss that is).

[Lathum]

Fair enough. Not sure I actually think yer lying this time, but I honestly don't think any argument is going to save you tomorrow.

well people are going to give the wolves what they want then. A wasted day of vote analysis.

[PurdueBrad]

LOTS of doings...PMs going out now, results ASAP (give me 5-10 just in case).

[dubb93]

For some reason I keep expecting Blade to get day killed.

[Lathum]

For some reason I keep expecting Blade to get day killed.

lol.

[dubb93]

For some reason I keep expecting Blade to get day killed.

In other words I'm getting the same vibe from Lathum now as I got from him that game when he was the prophecy and blew smoke up our butts the whole game.

[Lathum]

In other words I'm getting the same vibe from Lathum now as I got from him that game when he was the prophecy and blew smoke up our butts the whole game.

I actually didn't become the prophecy until halfway into that game.

But it was epic.

[Schmidty]

As much as we clashed, I sort of miss Blade.

[dubb93]

I actually didn't become the prophecy until halfway into that game.

But it was epic.

I was clear on that when I scanned one of your posts and got the exact opposite answer from the GM than I expected. It completely blew my mind. I knew you weren't on the level but every piece of solid evidence I had said you were.

[PurdueBrad]

As you rest and lick your wounds from the embarrassment of falling for the Decepticon trap and losing yet another ally, you notice a stirring and then chaos.

JAG leaps at Lathum, thrashing and fighting. He challenges Lathum, throwing his lasers aside. Lathum does the same and the two brawl. Enormous machines colliding, metal fists flying, the ground quakes under their force. Lathum steps back and prepares to charge when JAG catches him under the chin with an uppercut, snapping his head back like a Rock 'em, Sock 'em robot rather than a Transformer. Lathum falls, the sparks dwindle. His logo peels back to reveal...Decepticon Frenzy, the thief.

JAG stands amidst you, the hero. Everyone congratulates him, everyone, except...



...where is RendeR? You search and search, which is only appropriate as he is the Searcher, an Autobot, Wheeljack. RendeR has died, another Autobot fallen hero. What will tomorrow bring?

[dubb93]

I had a piece of the all spark and it was stolen from me last night. With RendeR being the searcher and now dead it is clear that it was stolen by a decepticon.

[JAG]

booyah

[The Jackal]

well done JAG

[lerriuqs]

I have no scan tonight as I scanned Lathum...

Good job JAG!!!

[Lathum]

drats

[DaddyTorgo]

well done JAG.

guess i don't have to vote for that sleezy lathum now

[EagleFan]

Nice job JAG!

Now we don't have to waste a day on Lathum.

[Schmidty]

YES!!!

[J23]

So much for knowing who I was voting tomorrow! Nice work Jag.

[Schmidty]

I actually feel bad for Lathum. Kind of like hoops and Danny. Good players that don't even get to play half the time.

[Danny]

I have no scan tonight as I scanned Lathum...

Good job JAG!!!

Really? What was the point in that?

[Lathum]

I actually feel bad for Lathum. Kind of like hoops and Danny. Good players that don't even get to play half the time.

You only feel bad for me because we are facebook friends

[RendeR]

Wow, first game back in months and I'm night killed night 2? Color me honored?

[Danny]

Lerriuqs I really would like your reasoning for scanning Lathum. We had EF out there as a choice plus many others. It was a pretty sure thing Lathum was going to be lynched, I really can't reason why you put in that order.

[RendeR]

I don't feel bad for you Lathum ;P

[dubb93]

Would it be fair to say that Pass got Lathumed?

[J23]

Did you get any info last night EF?

[lerriuqs]

Lerriuqs I really would like your reasoning for scanning Lathum. We had EF out there as a choice plus many others. It was a pretty sure thing Lathum was going to be lynched, I really can't reason why you put in that order.

I wasn't sure if I believed him or not. It was looking fishy but I wasn't sure. Anyways, EF wouldn't be a good scan for me since I would expect he'd be in disguise mode...which I can't scan.

[EagleFan]

Did you get any info last night EF?

Unfortunately I got slutted last night. I was going to follow dubb. Was up in the air between following him or RendeR. Would have been nice to have found something out.

[Danny]

I wasn't sure if I believed him or not. It was looking fishy but I wasn't sure. Anyways, EF wouldn't be a good scan for me since I would expect he'd be in disguise mode...which I can't scan.

Eh, still not liking this decision. It may not be the best vote for today, but I think we will need to re-examine both you and EF before long.

[dubb93]

Unfortunately I got slutted last night. I was going to follow dubb. Was up in the air between following him or RendeR. Would have been nice to have found something out.

Had you followed me you might have seen who stole my piece of the all spark? Sounds like the decepticons hit, hit, hit last night with you being blocked, my piece being stolen and RendeR being killed.

[lerriuqs]

Eh, still not liking this decision. It may not be the best vote for today, but I think we will need to re-examine both you and EF before long.

Whatever. I am who I say I am.

[Schmidty]

You only feel bad for me because we are facebook friends

No, it's just because I'm a sappy little pansy. :D

[EagleFan]

Had you followed me you might have seen who stole my piece of the all spark? Sounds like the decepticons hit, hit, hit last night with you being blocked, my piece being stolen and RendeR being killed.

I don't know for certain if I would find out what happens to someone or just what someone does. I would hope that I would find out what happens to the peson as well (like who stole your all spark).

What exactly is all spark anyway? I have never watched transformers.

[Alan T]

Eh, still not liking this decision. It may not be the best vote for today, but I think we will need to re-examine both you and EF before long.

Thinking outside of the box a little bit, I think it really makes sense to have scanner 1.0 and 2.0 in the game. Since they are half seers and have a fairly difficult time on hitting for seer scans anyways, having only one of them would be rather tough for the village even with all of these roles.

So I'm having problems swallowing the entire thought that Lerriuqs isn't who he says he is, but I guess anything is possible...

I can't get past day 1 in my head though where Lathum really reacted oddly with how he handled his Eaglefan vote. He behaved like he really wanted to find any excuse he could to move his vote off and then leaped at one when Passacaglia gave him his only opportunity to. Kind of double-speak back talk from lathum that really bothered me.

With all of the reveals, I kind of just let it fester a little bit inside, but now it is really bugging me again. Not really asking for others to follow me unless they really have a reason to just yet, but Lathum's actions on Day 1 in regards to Eaglefan combined with Eaglefan's being kind of weird to me on Day 1.. plus Eaglefan having 'followed' Lathum on day 1 with nothing to report all just sits poorly with me.

If everything happened last night like it supposedly did, the bad guys have multiple moves at night, and thus I am guessing they just like the good guys all have individual abilities they could use as well. So Lathum now known as a bad guy didn't do anything on night 1 is a bit rough too right now.

Maybe I'll change my mind if other information comes out later though... but for now..

Vote Eaglefan

[Alan T]

Didn't see anything good on night one. Followed Lathum based on the stir he was making but saw nothing. The obviously doesn't clear him though so it was kind of useless in hindsight.


This was Eaglefan's following Lathum night 1 that I was referring to by the way.

I'm in and out for another hour or so tonight, running an OOTP sim so not fully focused here

[EagleFan]

If everything happened last night like it supposedly did, the bad guys have multiple moves at night, and thus I am guessing they just like the good guys all have individual abilities they could use as well. So Lathum now known as a bad guy didn't do anything on night 1 is a bit rough too right now.

Let's no misrepresent here. Look at what Lathum's role was. It looks like the only power that he had was upon his death. The question now is who did he take power from?

[GoldenEagle]

Good job JAG. Take a seat next to me in the COT!

[EagleFan]

We should scan dubb at some point. He is either a good guy who had a piece of all spark stolen or he is a wolf trying to gain trust now by claiming to have it stolen (now that the one good role that could have stolen it is no longer in the game).

[PurdueBrad]

Guys, I'm out for the time being (maybe the night). I started physical therapy today for my torn calf muscle and my Achilles is really bugging me (which has me worried) so I'm going to take some pills, have a stiff drink, and fall asleep hopefully.

[EagleFan]

Feel better PB.

[J23]

This was Eaglefan's following Lathum night 1 that I was referring to by the way.

I'm in and out for another hour or so tonight, running an OOTP sim so not fully focused here

I'm actually inclined to believe EF since he's the only one that has claimed to have been slutted. I suppose the slut might not be in the game, but you'd think someone else would have busted him if they had been hit by it.

It is pretty odd that Lerriuqs hasn't been killed (or attempted to be killed) in 2 nights since revealing as a seer, even if it's only 1/2 seer.

[Alan T]

I'm actually inclined to believe EF since he's the only one that has claimed to have been slutted. I suppose the slut might not be in the game, but you'd think someone else would have busted him if they had been hit by it.

It is pretty odd that Lerriuqs hasn't been killed (or attempted to be killed) in 2 nights since revealing as a seer, even if it's only 1/2 seer.


I don't know that I find it too too odd. There is a chance the bodyguard was protecting him, and if my gut feeling is true here and all players in the game have actions that they can do daily (including the wolves), his role would be somewhat useless in trying to detect them anyways.

Why not take a shot at trying to take out someone who you think might do you more harm? Such as say Render who the topic of discussion was not wanting to reveal his role because it could be important.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well this was an interesting night. I am glad we dont have to spend all day voting for Lathum. I do think we should look at people from yesterday who did not vote for Lathum as a starting spot.

[EagleFan]

[QUOTE=Alan T;2160543 all players in the game have actions that they can do daily (including the wolves), [/QUOTE]

Try reading the rules. Many players have one time actions, like JAG's attack last night, or "actions" which are only triggered by other events, like being killed.

Are you purposely trying to distort and twist the rules?

That sure as hell is not ALL players having actions.

[Autumn]

I just rolled in and caught up guys. Good work JAG on nailing Lathum without us wasting a day. Not so good on the lynch, but that would have been pretty lucky. I thought Pass was playing a bit out of character for him, but I guess it was just whatever it was.

I'm dead, I gotta go to sleep. I'll probably have to reread in the morning to remember what happened.

[Alan T]

Try reading the rules. Many players have one time actions, like JAG's attack last night, or "actions" which are only triggered by other events, like being killed.

Are you purposely trying to distort and twist the rules?

That sure as hell is not ALL players having actions.


I'm not trying to distort anything. Anyways it is all right there in the rules. 4 of the 6 bad guys have what appear to be nightly actions (I'm assuming not all 6 roles are in the game however?) I am guessing if the "powerful" role is in the game that is who they likely have going out for night kills and not the 'thief' which would have been Lathum.

So sure it is possible Lathum actually did nothing that night, that is fine. But that is a very nice coincidence that the same day where Lathum did not appear to be overly eager to wanting you lynched despite having the early vote on you, that you then chose to follow him that night where if you were both bad you wouldn't have to guess at what someone might have done and then be proven wrong. Then you got blocked supposedly the next night when people have already been clamoring about a more "important role" not being affected yet.

Maybe it is all just a weird perfect storm of events that just makes you look and feel off to me and if so I apologize. But it is what it is and how it appears just feels off to me. I've given my reasons and I have no reason or need to try to make up reasons against you as you ascertain. I'm not trying to railroad anything here, just simply giving the reason for my vote (unless you'd rather I just throw out a fly by vote without reason?)

[EagleFan]

So sure it is possible Lathum actually did nothing that night, that is fine.

Hoiw is it just likely? Read the role that he revealed as having. He had no ability unless he was killed. If you are going to be a closed minded about it then I say vote me out and hurt the village's cause.

[EagleFan]

dola: I'm out. Call me out for making a bad move. Don't start distoritng the rules and then acting like you have some greater understanding of the rules than others.

[Alan T]

Hoiw is it just likely? Read the gad damn role that he revealed as having. He had no fucking ability unless he was killed. If you are going to be a closed minded ass about it then I say fuck it vote me out and hurt the village's cause.


Listen bud. Don't cuss at me, swear or insult me. If you want to discuss this, that is fine, i enjoy that. But when you just act rude, it is time for you to step away from the computer for a bit.

If you read my entire post and not just the clip art you are presenting, they had to have someone do the night kill of Hoopsguy. Anyways, I'm done talking to you until you can be a bit more civil.

[Autumn]

I'm not trying to distort anything. Anyways it is all right there in the rules. 4 of the 6 bad guys have what appear to be nightly actions (I'm assuming not all 6 roles are in the game however?) I am guessing if the "powerful" role is in the game that is who they likely have going out for night kills and not the 'thief' which would have been Lathum.

I don't want to step into an argument, but aside from EF's cussin', I think he's right, it sounds like the thief couldn't do anything. Above you suggest that the thief wouldn't be doing the night kill, so what would he be doing? Nothing it seems.

That said I don't think you're wrong about the rest. I won't be voting until tomorrow though.

[Autumn]

dola

really out this time

[Alan T]

I don't want to step into an argument, but aside from EF's cussin', I think he's right, it sounds like the thief couldn't do anything. Above you suggest that the thief wouldn't be doing the night kill, so what would he be doing? Nothing it seems.

That said I don't think you're wrong about the rest. I won't be voting until tomorrow though.


Yeah, I pretty much said that I agreed EF had a point there, but he is taking just one small part of the entire thing and trying to hammer it in, which is fine and a good strategy in a few cases depending on what his role really is.

What I am really tired of though is every game when I try to make some points to have people try to get under my skin by just going ballistic on me, it just is not enjoyable to me and why i don't really play many games anymore. If Eaglefan is good and I'm wrong here, don't treat me like that, just discuss the points with me, that is all I ask.

[KWhit]

Jeez, settle down EF.

No matter if you think AlanT's stretching things or not, that's no way to respond. He's just pointing out stuff.

He's got a decent point, too. I'm frankly surprised that we haven't gotten anything out of lerriuqs either. I'm not sure I agree with the choice of Lathum for a scan anyway tonight.

[Schmidty]

Listen bud. Don't cuss at me, swear or insult me. If you want to discuss this, that is fine, i enjoy that. But when you just act rude, it is time for you to step away from the computer for a bit.

+ 1

I think EF is a great guy, but that kind of junk really irritates me in WW. A swear word here and their, sure, but rants like that from certain people annoy me. Heck, I used to be like that, so I know.

Not going to vote for someone because of that, but still. Just relax. Well, don't relax, still get mad and rave, but there's no need for that amount of vitriol and language.

[Lathum]

If EF was me and Danny was the big guy he would be boxed.

Thank god we are a bunch of Lepers around here.

[Darth Vilus]

How about this for a role reveal, do to the circumstance presented Optimus Prime and Megatron have joined tgether to take control over all transformers, I am MEGA PRIME! Naw let's see, so great job JAG nabbing Lathum that's a plus, not too bad for two days work, 1 autobot, 1 human, 1 decepticon.

I'm not rying to bite of AlanT here but I have an iffy feeling about EF as well. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with that though, i'm going to reread everything again tomorrow with fresh eyes and see what my opinion is then. We'll see how it goes

[Danny]

I don't know that I find it too too odd. There is a chance the bodyguard was protecting him, and if my gut feeling is true here and all players in the game have actions that they can do daily (including the wolves), his role would be somewhat useless in trying to detect them anyways.

Why not take a shot at trying to take out someone who you think might do you more harm? Such as say Render who the topic of discussion was not wanting to reveal his role because it could be important.

In general I agree with some of your thought regarding a wolf potentially in Lerriuqs and EF. My only problem is you talk about how you are sure Lerriuqs' role would be in the game and then here seem to describe it as mostly useless. I don't think we can overlook EF or Lerriuqs personally.

[Darth Vilus]

lathum were you trying to get yourself lynched? So you could steal one of our powers?

[Darth Vilus]

lerriuqs why did u scan daddytorgo in the beginning? Sorry if this has been answered already

[JAG]

Let's no misrepresent here. Look at what Lathum's role was. It looks like the only power that he had was upon his death. The question now is who did he take power from?

If you read the role, it says something like, "If you are lynched, you can steal someone's powers" My guess is since he did not die by being lynched that he was unable to make use of his power.

[JAG]

Good job JAG. Take a seat next to me in the COT!

The chairs are quite comfy here. Hopefully we can invite a few others to join us.

[JAG]

I'm actually inclined to believe EF since he's the only one that has claimed to have been slutted. I suppose the slut might not be in the game, but you'd think someone else would have busted him if they had been hit by it.

I wouldn't assign a lot of trust based on that. The wolves would know whether or not that role was present in the game. The first night no one claimed to have been slutted. Maybe they were protected by the BG which would have prevented that, but if that's the case, why wouldn't they have NK'ed them? Unless they're hoping for us to do their work? Who knows. I'm just saying I wouldn't make an assumption based on that information.

[JAG]

I am guessing if the "powerful" role is in the game that is who they likely have going out for night kills and not the 'thief' which would have been Lathum.

Actually per the rules, the wolves are required to have a specific order of roles do the NKs:

Decepticons- The nightkiller is left in disguise mode. The kill order goes, as long as they all survive, Brutal, Thief, Powerful, Stalker, and reset.

So if EF's telling the truth, we have confirmation that the brutal role is in the game as otherwise he would've witnessed Lathum performing the kill on N1.

[JAG]

Day 1 voting (green = villager, blue = role reveal but not cleared, red = wolf)

(55) Lathum votes EF 1 (EF 1)
(58) Schmidty votes AlanT (EF 1, AlanT 1)
(63) EF votes Schmidty (EF 1, AlanT 1, Schmidty 1)
(64) Schmidty unvotes AlanT, votes EF (EF 2, Schmidty 1)
(92) Danny votes lerriuqs (EF 2, Schmidty 1, lerriuqs 1)
(96) AlanT votes EF (EF 3, Schmidty 1, lerriuqs 1)
(108) JAG votes lerriuqs (EF 3, lerriuqs 2, Schmidty 1)
(112) hoops votes Jackal (EF 3, lerriuqs 2, Schmidty 1, Jackal 1)
(114) dubb votes JAG (EF 3, lerriuqs 2, Schmidty 1, Jackal 1, JAG 1)
(119) Autumn votes Schmidty (EF 3, lerriuqs 2, Schmidty 2, Jackal 1, JAG 1)
(120) EF unvotes Schmidty (EF 3, lerriuqs 2, Schmidty 1, Jackal 1, JAG 1)
(122) J23 votes lerriuqs (EF 3, lerriuqs 3, Schmidty 1, Jackal 1, JAG 1)
(123) Pass votes Jackal (EF 3, lerriuqs 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1)
(127) Darth votes lerriuqs (lerriuqs 4, EF 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1)
(128) lerriuqs votes Danny (lerriuqs 4, EF 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(132) JAG unvotes lerriuqs, votes EF (EF 4, lerriuqs 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(134) Jackal votes EF (EF 5, lerriuqs 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(139) DT votes Jackal (EF 5, lerriuqs 3, Jackal 3, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(141) Pass unvotes Jackal, votes EF (EF 6, lerriuqs 3, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(144) hoops unvotes Jackal, votes lerriuqs (EF 6, lerriuqs 4, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(147) LSG votes lerriuqs (EF 6, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1)
(151) Lathum unvotes EF (EF 5, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1, Pass 1)
(170) Kwhit votes EF (EF 6, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1, Pass 1)
(173) EF votes Jackal (EF 6, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Danny 1, Pass 1)
(175) lerriuqs unvotes Danny, votes Jackal (EF 6, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 3, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(179) GE votes lerriuqs (EF 6, lerriuqs 6, Jackal 3, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(195) lerriuqs unvotes Jackal, votes EF (EF 7, lerriuqs 6, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(203) lerriuqs reveals as Scanner 1.0
(205) hoops unvotes lerriuqs, votes EF (EF 8, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 2, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(208) EF reveals as Witness
(214) Pass unvotes EF, votes Jackal (EF 7, lerriuqs 5, Jackal 3, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(219) Danny unvotes lerriuqs, votes Jackal (EF 7, lerriuqs 4, Jackal 4, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(221) AlanT unvotes EF, votes Lathum (EF 6, lerriuqs 4, Jackal 4, Lathum 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1, Pass 1)
(224) Lathum unvotes Pass, votes Jackal (EF 6, Jackal 5, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1)
(227) lerriuqs unvotes EF, votes Jackal (Jackal 6, EF 5, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 1, Schmidty 1, JAG 1)
(229) Autumn unvotes Schmidty, votes Jackal (Jackal 7, EF 5, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 1, JAG 1)
(237) hoops unvotes EF, votes Lathum (Jackal 7, EF 4, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 2, JAG 1)
(238) Pass unvotes Jackal, votes Lathum (Jackal 6, EF 4, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 3, JAG 1)
(239) Danny unvotes Jackal (Jackal 5, EF 4, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 4, JAG 1)
(244) JAG unvotes EF (Jackal 5, lerriuqs 4, Lathum 4, EF 3, JAG 1)
(247) lerriuqs unvotes Jackal (Lathum 5, Jackal 4, lerriuqs 4, EF 3, JAG 1)
(256) LSG unvotes lerriuqs, votes Lathum (Lathum 6, Jackal 4, lerriuqs 3, EF 3, JAG 1)
(258) GE unvotes lerriuqs (Lathum 7, Jackal 4, EF 3, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)
(259) Danny unvotes Lathum, votes Jackal (Lathum 6, Jackal 5, EF 3, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)
(260) Lathum reveals as the Resurrectionist
(264) JAG votes Jackal (Lathum 6, Jackal 6, EF 3, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)
(268) GE reveals Jackal as Bumblebee
(278) RendeR votes Jackal (Jackal 7, Lathum 6, EF 3, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)
(279) LSG unvotes Lathum, votes EF (Jackal 7, Lathum 5, EF 4, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)
(289) LSG unvotes EF, votes Lathum (Jackal 7, Lathum 6, EF 3, lerriuqs 2, JAG 1)

[Alan T]

In general I agree with some of your thought regarding a wolf potentially in Lerriuqs and EF. My only problem is you talk about how you are sure Lerriuqs' role would be in the game and then here seem to describe it as mostly useless. I don't think we can overlook EF or Lerriuqs personally.


Well it makes sense to be in the game because I don't know of many games where you have a half seer without the other half in the game somewhere. It just seems having only scanner 2.0 in the game would be rather incomplete.

I don't know if I necessarily meant to infer that the scanner 1.0 role was useless as much as one that I bet the wolves would be less afraid of perhaps than the scanner 2.0 role especially if most everyone has actions to do at night (including them)

[Danny]

Today is going to be rough. I was basically up all night finishing up assessment protocols and such and will be going to work in a couple hours. I will get a vote in this morning and may not be able to check back in until after deadline.

[Danny]

Vote Lerriuqs

I am all for an EF / Lerriuqs showdown today. Quite honestly, I don't put too much stock into their role reveals as I could see either of their roles not being in the game. In fact, I think there is a good chance there is at least one wolf among them. And I just don't get Lerriuqs scans thus far, they look like potentially safe bets that won't get him caught.

[Alan T]

Vote Lerriuqs

I am all for an EF / Lerriuqs showdown today. Quite honestly, I don't put too much stock into their role reveals as I could see either of their roles not being in the game. In fact, I think there is a good chance there is at least one wolf among them. And I just don't get Lerriuqs scans thus far, they look like potentially safe bets that won't get him caught.


I guess we differ on this line of thought. I just really have a hard time fathoming based on these rules not having the scanner 1.0 role. But I guess anything is possible, I just don't really like this vote at all.

I'd actually almost prefer if people want someone to run against Eaglefan, then pick me instead of Lerriuqs.

Danny slides pretty far down my confidence meter with this vote I think.

[EagleFan]

I apologize to all about the blowup last night. I have no idea why that got under my skin as badly as it did.

That was no excuse for my reaction though. Alan, PB and all I do apologize.

[EagleFan]

Now back to my point. I chose Lathum to follow night one because at the time it made sense to me. If he was really a wolf that wa trapped I would have assumed the wolved would pick him to make the night kill so I figured if I could catch him that night we would save a day of potentially risking a villager.

Alan kept saying that everyone has a night action. But look at the roles, many of them have no night action or are only triggered by events such as being killed.

In hind sight with Lathum's role revealed it is obvious that he had no night action (unless there is more to the role than is listed within the rules).

If my blow up get me lynched than I apologize to the village for hurting our cause even more by my actions of a bad choice for scanning and for being a jackass in thread.

[Danny]

I guess we differ on this line of thought. I just really have a hard time fathoming based on these rules not having the scanner 1.0 role. But I guess anything is possible, I just don't really like this vote at all.

I'd actually almost prefer if people want someone to run against Eaglefan, then pick me instead of Lerriuqs.

Danny slides pretty far down my confidence meter with this vote I think.

Maybe it's just me, but I think there is a good chance something like this was thrown in. And I made the mistake of assuming something like before when the BG and duke both were not in a game and it killed us because we trusted a fake reveal.

I just can't understand in the slightest Lerriuqs scan choices or Lathum's unwillingness to vote both Lerriuqs or EF on day 1.

[J23]

I've had a hard time with both of their role reveals/night actions as well, but I'm not sure it's worth the risk if they're legit. I'm going to try to look back at the voting and see if anything makes more sense now that we have a confirmed wolf.

[EagleFan]

If EF was me and Danny was the big guy he would be boxed.

Thank god we are a bunch of Lepers around here.

I'll be boxing myself for a bit after this game is over. Will sit out a game, or two.

[EagleFan]

If it's okayed I'll edit out the profanity from that post.

[Danny]

FWIW, a few more thoughts on EF and Lerriuqs.

As I said, it seemed clear to me Lathum really wanted a 3rd candidate on day 1, even before the role reveals. He voted EF early and then switched when it got down to a 2 person race. He did not vote Lerriuqs at all.

EF claims he followed Lathum night 1 which is somewhat reasonable, but also claims to be slutted today. Right now we have no way of knowing if anyone was slutted night 1 to verify that role is even in the game.

Lerriuqs' scan choices to me reek of playing as to not get caught. Remember he can only detect players without night actions, so if he is a wolf he has to be very careful with who he says he scans. There is also a wolf role which scans for a players role. I am guessing that if Lerriuqs is a wolf that either 1. DT is a fellow wolf or 2. He was scanned by the wolves and they found out he was a role without a night action, so Lerriuqs put him in to verify his scan wouldn't be questioned. I can only assume that day 2 they scanned someone who did have a role with a night action and so he had to say a scan of Lathum, really the only safe choice out there.

Personally, with the way things went down day 1, I think both EF and Lerriuqs have solid probabilities of being a wolf.

[EagleFan]

double dola: About to head to the office for the day, will probably not have much chance to be in thread until this evening.

[Danny]

If it's okayed I'll edit out the profanity from that post.

Yeah, that's fine with me as long as PB is good with it too.

[EagleFan]

FWIW, a few more thoughts on EF and Lerriuqs.

As I said, it seemed clear to me Lathum really wanted a 3rd candidate on day 1, even before the role reveals. He voted EF early and then switched when it got down to a 2 person race. He did not vote Lerriuqs at all.

EF claims he followed Lathum night 1 which is somewhat reasonable, but also claims to be slutted today. Right now we have no way of knowing if anyone was slutted night 1 to verify that role is even in the game.

Lerriuqs' scan choices to me reek of playing as to not get caught. Remember he can only detect players without night actions, so if he is a wolf he has to be very careful with who he says he scans. There is also a wolf role which scans for a players role. I am guessing that if Lerriuqs is a wolf that either 1. DT is a fellow wolf or 2. He was scanned by the wolves and they found out he was a role without a night action, so Lerriuqs put him in to verify his scan wouldn't be questioned. I can only assume that day 2 they scanned someone who did have a role with a night action and so he had to say a scan of Lathum, really the only safe choice out there.

Personally, with the way things went down day 1, I think both EF and Lerriuqs have solid probabilities of being a wolf.

You got your post in my dola...

[Alan T]

Alan kept saying that everyone has a night action. But look at the roles, many of them have no night action or are only triggered by events such as being killed.



See, that is the point I was making that I gave a laundry list of reasons why I wanted to go this direction with my vote. You took only one item from that list and started trying to take down my whole reason based on only that one item.

You are the one being a little misleading now however by saying that I kept saying. I actually came back after you brought it up and said that yes I could see based on his role that it could be possible he didn't do anything that evening, but it was just one point out of my entire list of things that was leading me to make the vote. That is when you blew up at me and things got out of control.

So before you get back on this track again, here once again are the parts where I already conceded this one point out of the many.


sure it is possible Lathum actually did nothing that night, that is fine.

Yeah, I pretty much said that I agreed EF had a point there, but he is taking just one small part of the entire thing and trying to hammer it in, which is fine and a good strategy in a few cases depending on what his role really is.

[JAG]

I guess we differ on this line of thought. I just really have a hard time fathoming based on these rules not having the scanner 1.0 role. But I guess anything is possible, I just don't really like this vote at all.

I agree and I'll take it a step farther, I don't think we should be voting EF today either. Unless we have something specific we can point to, I don't see why we would risk these roles, especially since I would imagine these two would be most apt to have been scanned by 1.0 of all players out there. It's possible we got really unlucky and picked the cunning out on day 1 (as what happened last game), but there are still likely 2-3 other wolves out there even if both or one of these two turn out to be a wolf and I would rather focus our efforts on getting them at this point.

[Danny]

I agree and I'll take it a step farther, I don't think we should be voting EF today either. Unless we have something specific we can point to, I don't see why we would risk these roles, especially since I would imagine these two would be most apt to have been scanned by 1.0 of all players out there. It's possible we got really unlucky and picked the cunning out on day 1 (as what happened last game), but there are still likely 2-3 other wolves out there even if both or one of these two turn out to be a wolf and I would rather focus our efforts on getting them at this point.

See, I don't really buy this. Knowing Lathum is a wolf and looking at and re-reading of how day 1 went down, I think it's very unlikely both Lerriuqs and EF are autobots.

[EagleFan]

See, I don't really buy this. Knowing Lathum is a wolf and looking at and re-reading of how day 1 went down, I think it's very unlikely both Lerriuqs and EF are autobots.

It only helps the wolves to try to get rid of one of our roles without having to worry about being blocked...

[Alan T]

EF claims he followed Lathum night 1 which is somewhat reasonable, but also claims to be slutted today. Right now we have no way of knowing if anyone was slutted night 1 to verify that role is even in the game.



Since it has already been hammered home that the slut role would not have been involved in the night kill at all, and no one has mentioned they had it used on them night 1, why is that?

The only explanation is the wolves felt it would be more worthwhile to have this player do NOTHING that evening than to prevent someone from using their action.

Perhaps they didn't want to get hit by scanner 2.0? That seems a bit of a low risk play there unless they were one of the people with the most heat and possible scan targets from day 1.. Thejackal -- nope.. Lathum -- not the slut role, lerriuqs -- I've already stated why it is fairly unlikely to have scanner 2.0 but not scanner 1.0, Eaglefan -- ???

Why wouldn't they have used the role on someone night 1? If they were the most afraid of the witness role, why not use that on Eaglefan night 1?

It feels like just another piece of circumstantial evidence with no credible backing at all. You talk about "safe scans" from lerriuqs, what Eaglefan has presented is far worse in my opinion.

[Danny]

It feels like just another piece of circumstantial evidence with no credible backing at all. You talk about "safe scans" from lerriuqs, what Eaglefan has presented is far worse in my opinion.

I could get behind an EF vote, and since it looks like there is little support for Lerriuqs, I may be switching before I go. I think there is a good chance they are both wolves.

[Autumn]

I should be back in a few times today. But I agree with Alan's thinking.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

[Alan T]

I could get behind an EF vote, and since it looks like there is little support for Lerriuqs, I may be switching before I go. I think there is a good chance they are both wolves.


I don't think they are both wolves. There was a point that I did on day 1 until the way the reveals went down. It feels like ancient history now, but at the time, my comment was that I wondered if Lathum, Eaglefan and Lerriuqs were all wolves based on the way they were all playing it.

But then when they revealed, the way they did it made me re-consider that strongly. That late in the night, if you have wolf vs wolf, at some point you would cut bait and try to position the rest of the wolves to maybe get some trust from it.

I think Lathum was stuck in a tough position (it felt to me almost exactly how I busted St.Cronin in the Heros game). He threw an early throw away vote on Eaglefan but then got cornered when Eaglefan actually became a candidate. If Lathum had been good, there wouldn't have been really much reason to move that vote once it became clear he was one of the leading contenders. But he felt the need to, he tried to find any reason possible to move the vote. he couldn't just put it on Lerriuqs as then it would later appear to be trying to "save" Eaglefan if he did so. So he jumped on the first chance he could, offered up by Passacaglia to move his vote to a brand new candidate late in the day 1. If he had simply moved his vote over to Lerriuqs that day, it would have been even worse looking for him, so he did choose correctly, but was just stuck in a bad spot based on the early vote.

So once lerriuqs revealed and people started flocking to Eaglefan, usually at that point if both of them were wolves, Eaglefan would have had to just take one for the team and most likely a few wolves could have gained a few days of trust from playing it right. Instead Eaglefan had to reveal which led a vote run on Lathum where he then had to reveal.. just seems a bit much to think based on the way that was played that they are all wolves.


I might not be correct on Eaglefan, but I'm giving my reasoning on why I feel this way. I do not think any longer that they were all wolves though, I do believe I was mistaken day 1 when I was thinking that.

[Danny]

I have to go, I should be on for a short time between work and class, so will look at things then, but since there is no support for a Lerriuqs lynch, I will go with EF for now.

Unvote Lerriuqs
Vote EagleFan

[PurdueBrad]

If it's okayed I'll edit out the profanity from that post.

Go for it, thanks for asking though.

[PurdueBrad]

A cruise ship (perhaps the one from Alan T's game?) has been hijacked in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. The luxury liner was set to sail for two and a half weeks into the Mediterranean Sea. Instead, it is now floating dead in the ocean.

Satellite imagery has shown no signs of life on the outdoor levels but thermal scans show a large mass of bodies, living thankfully, huddled in the lower decks. The thermal scan also shows two large masses moving around, controlling what is happening.

Those two large masses can mean just one thing...Decepticons. No rest for the wicked (or the good).

Deadline is 9 pm EST, good luck!

[EagleFan]

Go for it, thanks for asking though.


Profanity removed, kept the meaning of the post intact and the typos. :)

[EagleFan]

vote Alan

He obviously wants my power out of the game and only a wolf would want that.

[PurdueBrad]

Vote count as of #699:

Eaglefan (3)- Alan T (642), Autumn (693), Danny (695),

Alan T (1)- EagleFan (699)

[EagleFan]

I should have just agreed to not use my power yesterday and let lerriuqs scan me.

If it will keep me alive for another day, and if it will help grow the CoT I will gladly forego using the power tonight so that lerriuqs can scan me.

I would rather not see us lose a valuable power.

[lerriuqs]

lerriuqs why did u scan daddytorgo in the beginning? Sorry if this has been answered already

With my power it's a crapshoot on who I can scan. I tried to pick someone who was around at the deadline that would likely state whether they were staying in Autobot mode (since if you didn't send anything in, you go to disguise mode). I picked someone and went with it. I think the other scanner should have a better chance of being successful than myself though he/she is still guessing as much as I am...

[Autumn]

I'm not sold on Lerriuqs 100%, I think we'll need confirmation from somebody on his role reveal. But I think AlanT is right that EagleFan's alibi is a bit too good to be true. I think it's very likely he fake revealed to save himself, and he should be a lynch candidate today.

[J23]

Vote Eaglefan

I just re-read day 1/2, and unless someone can come out with info that they were enslutted night 1, I don't think I'll be moving my vote.

For what it's worth, I really have my doubts about Lerriuqs being our seer as well. The scan targets thus far haven't made a whole lot of sense to me.

[lerriuqs]

See, I don't really buy this. Knowing Lathum is a wolf and looking at and re-reading of how day 1 went down, I think it's very unlikely both Lerriuqs and EF are autobots.

Why? It was Day 1. The vote came down to two of the more potentially important roles in the game - neither of which were even looking to jump on the other to protect themselves. We jumped on the wrong one to end that day, but he's back and alive. We also were very close to hitting a Day 1 wolf in Lathum.

The more you look at me, the more I'm leaning towards you being a Decepticon...

[lerriuqs]

Why? It was Day 1. The vote came down to two of the more potentially important roles in the game - neither of which were even looking to jump on the other to protect themselves. We jumped on the wrong one to end that day, but he's back and alive. We also were very close to hitting a Day 1 wolf in Lathum.

The more you look at me, the more I'm leaning towards you being a Decepticon...

Also, I believe Alan is an autobot - the timing of his reveal on Night 1 was before PB said anything about the roles involving the Fallen being nullified. If it's a wolf play, it's an amazingly good guess.

I don't know if EF is good or bad but I'll take him up on his offer to scan him tonight to clear him (knowing the cunning is still in play).

Vote Danny

[Darth Vilus]

sorry but what's the cunning wolf again? if scanned they come up as a villager?

[DaddyTorgo]

i think it's hot that somebody scanned me. i've got a power but i'm trying to figure out if/when it'll be useful.

i'm also absolutely buried at work - like I have been lately. Which is no excuse, just saying.

[lerriuqs]

sorry but what's the cunning wolf again? if scanned they come up as a villager?

Yes.

[lerriuqs]

i think it's hot that somebody scanned me. i've got a power but i'm trying to figure out if/when it'll be useful.

i'm also absolutely buried at work - like I have been lately. Which is no excuse, just saying.

It is an interesting power...

[DaddyTorgo]

It is an interesting power...

isn't it though? i suppose i could use it on say EF...see if he's telling the truth...

[lerriuqs]

And before anyone asks, I'm told name and power of the individual if my scan works. I've kept DT's a secret for him to expose...

[Darth Vilus]

JAG leaps at Lathum, thrashing and fighting. He challenges Lathum, throwing his lasers aside. Lathum does the same and the two brawl. Enormous machines colliding, metal fists flying, the ground quakes under their force. Lathum steps back and prepares to charge when JAG catches him under the chin with an uppercut, snapping his head back like a Rock 'em, Sock 'em robot rather than a Transformer. Lathum falls, the sparks dwindle. His logo peels back to reveal...Decepticon Frenzy, the thief.




I know things change for WW and I'm just having fun here but in what universe would Frenzy ever be able to throw down with an autobot? Lol, just thought that was amusing.

[dubb93]

And before anyone asks, I'm told name and power of the individual if my scan works. I've kept DT's a secret for him to expose...

This goes against the rules. The rules simply state:

1. Scanner 1.0- Determine a player's allegiance if they are in Transformer mode.

[lerriuqs]

This goes against the rules. The rules simply state:

I know what I was told in my PM. On night 1, I was told DT was an autobot, his name and his role.

[dubb93]

I know what I was told in my PM. On night 1, I was told DT was an autobot, his name and his role.

That is quite the claim.

[lerriuqs]

That is quite the claim.

It's true. PB will you please confirm this.

Otherwise, go ahead and lynch Scanner 1.0. It's amazing that lies can get you further in this game than the truth...

[Autumn]

Hmm, well that is pause for thought. Good catch Dubb.

[The Jackal]

What are you asking PB to claim? That the Scanner 1.0 gets told all of that info?

[PurdueBrad]

This goes against the rules. The rules simply state:

There are instances, just like with some other powers, a player may learn more (or less) than what is listed within the role. In learning more, it'll be obvious they learned more, in learning less, they will be told that something is causing an interference (or some such matter).

[lerriuqs]

What are you asking PB to claim? That the Scanner 1.0 gets told all of that info?

PB's following comment is enough for me. What I've said is what I was told. I know DT's identity and role. If you don't believe me, then lynch me. But you're lynching an autobot that is Scanner 1.0.

Also, this gongshow around EF is annoying me. At this point, if it wasn't Alan T, I'd be looking at the person starting it. But based on his Night 1 reveal, I believe Alan is an autobot as well. But Danny's been continuing to push this because he doesn't like the info he's getting...he's acting suspicious IMO and should be at the top of the suspect list IMO.

[J23]

So, I read that as confirmation that it's possible. Which means back to where we were 10 posts ago or so.

[JAG]

Quite interesting. Quite interesting indeed.

[lerriuqs]

Well I'm out for a while. I will try to check in well before the deadline in case any others have questions to ask.

[lerriuqs]

One other point on this - Darth should know where I'm coming from on this considering the grief and non-belief he was subjected to in the Prom game...But I'm out till later now.

[Darth Vilus]

One other point on this - Darth should know where I'm coming from on this considering the grief and non-belief he was subjected to in the Prom game...But I'm out till later now.

Yeah I remember that

[dubb93]

And before anyone asks, I'm told name and power of the individual if my scan works.

Are you backing off this comment now that PB has posted?

You have said that if your scan works you will learn everything about that player. You did not say that if your scan works there are times where you could learn more and that it was obvious on night 1 that you learned more than you normally would.

[JAG]

DT, can you confirm whether or not you performed an action on N1?

[dubb93]

DT, can you confirm whether or not you performed an action on N1?

My best guess would be no as DT has said:

i think it's hot that somebody scanned me. i've got a power but i'm trying to figure out if/when it'll be useful.

I could make a guess at DT's role just from his hinting on this page and I would bet I would be correct.

[The Jackal]

Any vote counts?

[PurdueBrad]

Vote count as of #699:

Eaglefan (4)- Alan T (642), Autumn (693), Danny (695), J23 (704),

Alan T (1)- EagleFan (699)

Danny (1)- Lerriuqs (706)

[LoneStarGirl]

Wow, I am really confused on who to vote for. I see both Eaglefan and Alant's side, but I do not want to jump on the Eaglefan bandwagon. If I vote for somebody besides Eaglefan, Alant and Danny it will later be considered a wasted vote. I kind of want to see where today goes, so I will be around until deadline and will vote later

[EagleFan]

Wow, I am really confused on who to vote for. I see both Eaglefan and Alant's side, but I do not want to jump on the Eaglefan bandwagon. If I vote for somebody besides Eaglefan, Alant and Danny it will later be considered a wasted vote. I kind of want to see where today goes, so I will be around until deadline and will vote later

I am not set on the Alan vote. That was pretty much in response to his beating the drum against me. I don't get why he is trying to get my power out of the game but I think he may be a misguided villager.

[lerriuqs]

Are you backing off this comment now that PB has posted?

You have said that if your scan works you will learn everything about that player. You did not say that if your scan works there are times where you could learn more and that it was obvious on night 1 that you learned more than you normally would.

My post was based on the one scan that did work. So no I'm not backing off my comment insofar as that. I wasn't told anything more than what's in the rules about my role - PB never told me what he's posted above prior to that post. So I can't comment on whether I learned more than I normally would since I've only had once successful scan. Thus, I'm not really sure what you're trying get at.

[dubb93]

I think Eaglefan is a wolf. Just a gut feeling based on his reactions to being called out, I know I was against those yesterday, but I think I will go that direction today.

Vote Eaglefan

As for the Ler post above, what I am getting at is,

In learning more, it'll be obvious they learned more

I take this to mean that if you learn more it will be obvious to you that you learned more than you normally would. What you are saying is you don't know if you learned more or if it will be like every time.

[lerriuqs]

I think Eaglefan is a wolf. Just a gut feeling based on his reactions to being called out, I know I was against those yesterday, but I think I will go that direction today.

Vote Eaglefan

As for the Ler post above, what I am getting at is,



I take this to mean that if you learn more it will be obvious to you that you learned more than you normally would. What you are saying is you don't know if you learned more or if it will be like every time.

Ok. Yeah, I won't know if I learned more till next time. I assumed that was the norm. Whether or not it is, I'll find out if I get another scan to work - assuming I live that long.

[GoldenEagle]

I don't really like the fact that this is turning into a runaway. Do we really think that two wolves would have fake revealed on day 1? I don't remember the chronological order, but it seems EF was in trouble, so he revealed. Later Lathum did the same, but we now know it was fake. I don't know, I guess it might be feasible.

I tend to believe EagleFan for the time being. It would make sense to fake reveal as the Witness, as it seems low you would get a counter reveal. Also if EF is a villager, the wolves can pile on to him and we really learn noting via voting history.

That would lead me to vote for either AlanT or Danny. I have to take out here in about 15 minutes and won't be back by deadline.

VOTE DANNY

[EagleFan]

unvote Alan

vote dubb


Too much of a coincidence that after RendeR's role comes out dubb claims that he had a piece of all spark stolen that night. A very subtile move to try and gain trust. Sounds a little too convenient.

[The Jackal]

Danny has been rubbing me the wrong way.

VOTE DANNY

[Autumn]

I won't be moving my vote, barring new information. I don't see the Danny thing, and I feel sure about EF. I'd like to see another candidate, actually, neither Danny nor AlanT ping me. Other than EF I would go Dubb probably.

[Schmidty]

First time I've really been able to look at things all day, and I have to say that I am slightly confused with all the reveals. That just makes me think two things: Everyone is being honest because no wolf would put themselves out there this early in the game, or the wolves are getting desperate already. I doubt very seriously that the latter is true since it's only day 3 in qa very large game, so for now I am leaning toward belief.

That leaves me with nothing really. If they are telling the truth, what can I rely on other than my gut? So I am going to go with my gut.

Vote dubb

[Danny]

You guys are far too trusting of role reveals. I really don't see anyway EF isn't a wolf and I still am suspicious of Lerriuqs as well.

In any case though, I have class and will be out until after deadline. With two confirmed villagers already on me, watch out for a run on me to try and save EF.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm

[dubb93]

unvote Alan

vote dubb


Too much of a coincidence that after RendeR's role comes out dubb claims that he had a piece of all spark stolen that night. A very subtile move to try and gain trust. Sounds a little too convenient.

Or the truth. You know, the all spark wasn't my role, it was just an item I had. I still have my role and as I said yesterday it isn't a role we need to lose just b/c people have a feeling.

[Schmidty]

You guys are far too trusting of role reveals. I really don't see anyway EF isn't a wolf and I still am suspicious of Lerriuqs as well.

In any case though, I have class and will be out until after deadline. With two confirmed villagers already on me, watch out for a run on me to try and save EF.

Not to sound paranoid, but could you be sacrificing a fellow wolf for being assured of trust the rest of the game? I know that sounds crazy, and everyone will use that against me late, blah, blah, blah, but I have to say it.

[J23]

Not to sound paranoid, but could you be sacrificing a fellow wolf for being assured of trust the rest of the game? I know that sounds crazy, and everyone will use that against me late, blah, blah, blah, but I have to say it.


Personally, I've found this game to be worse than normal as far as not having trust in anyone. Even if EF and Lerriuqs are both wolves, I still probably won't trust Danny until the game is over.

The fact that the wolves know what roles are not filled has made things pretty crazy.

[KWhit]

I'd like to see this turn into a 2 horse race between EF and someone else. Right now, Dubb is pinging my wolf-dar a little bit so I will vote for him. EF strikes me as untrustworthy, too, though, so I think between the two of those guys we have a pretty good chance at getting a wolf.

VOTE DUBB

[PurdueBrad]

Vote count as of #748:

Eaglefan (5)- Alan T (642), Autumn (693), Danny (695), J23 (704), dubb93 (735),

Danny (3)- Lerriuqs (706), Golden Eagle (737), The Jackal (739)

Dubb (3)- Eaglefan (738), Schmidty (741), KWhit (747)

[Alan T]

Just got home a few minutes ago from a long drive.

I have to say if it is a two horse race though, I have a ton of trust in the guys that are currently voting for Danny. I don't really distrust Danny any more than Dubb right now personally, neither one has really done that much to draw my attention thus far. Danny had some questionable strategy in my opinion this morning, but I think that could arguably be just different opinions on game mechanics more than a wolf play.

If folks don't buy what I feel with Eaglefan (which I don't blame people as I don't have any proof, just a ton of circumstantial evidence right now) I am like 95% that no one currently voting Danny is trying to pull a fast one or "save" Eaglefan right now since we know Goldeneagle and Jackal are both good, and I feel good about Lerriuqs.

So I guess if we have a two horse race, I'd prefer it to be Danny vs Eaglefan rather than Dubb vs Eaglefan (Sorry Danny)

[Darth Vilus]

[quote=J23;2161082]Personally, I've found this game to be worse than normal as far as not having trust in anyone. Even if EF and Lerriuqs are both wolves, I still probably won't trust Danny until the game is over.

Too true, nobody trusts anyone anymore. there are a few exceptions of course but i'm trying to be dramatic. this is like the scene in The Thing where Kurt Russell Is talking into his recorder. and on a side note I was livid when i found out that The Thing WW was already played out. major bummer