WW CV: Transformers (D5, day ends Friday 9 PM EST)

[PurdueBrad]

Transformers: The Werewolf Game

This game is based on the popular toys, multiple television series, comics, and films. Be warned, this game is set-up to be a large and aggressive game. There could be good guys with kill abilities, bad guys with scan abilities, and a third party that you know little to nothing about (except what your history books have told you about The Fallen, that is).

I have worked very hard to minimize the use of random.org here as I felt it took much away from my first game. Therefore, almost all of what you see is driven by player choice rather than by mechanic or website.

Transformer names, while for show/flavor, are oftentimes tied into powers and win conditions. I would discourage a name reveal, as you'll see further down in the rules. In addition, Decepticons and Fallen will be supplied with extra Autobot names and roles in case this occurs anyway. Also, please do not read into the wording of PMs too much as they will be individualized and dramatized for player enjoyment.

There will be numerous things going on at all times, but the deadlines are set up for player convenience.

day deadline: 9 pm EST (must be before 9:01)
night deadling: 9:30 EST (must be before 9:31)

The half hour will hopefully give players a bit more time in making decisions and moves and means you will have to rely on conditionals much less.

[PurdueBrad]

Roles: There are three sides in the battle for Earth. Autobots/Humans, Decepticons, and The Fallen

Most players have specific powers. While there is not a traditional seer, bodyguard, cunning, etc., these abilities will appear in some form. However, for most of you to exercise your abilities, you will have to risk being in disguise mode, a weakened state in which, for instance, if you are Bumblebee, you would be a Camaro that night rather than in robot form. By being in this state, there are very large disadvantages, such as a much higher chance of being nightkilled or perhaps challenged/killed by another player. Understand however, your safety is not guaranteed in Transformer mode. In fact, most of you will be unable to do your action if you are in Transformer mode.

Your responsibility:
By 9 pm EST: Vote for a lynch. Failure to do so leaves you in disguise mode. Please submit your vote as such: vote PB

A Tie: A tie will not end as such. In fact, a tie will be decided Gladiator-style, Transformer vs. Transformer. Each Transformer has been given a strength number (unknown to players) to determine the outcome of any fights that may occur (including ties).

By 9:30 pm EST: Enter either a night action or pass on your night action and ask to be left in Transformer mode. Lack of communication will leave you in disguise mode as well. And you can certainly send in orders before this time.

The Goal: Autobots need to destroy all of the Decepticons for a victory. For a major victory, they will want to defeat The Fallen as well. The Decepticons want to achieve a 1:1 ratio with the Autobots for a victory and defeat The Fallen as well for a major victory. The Fallen and humans may have additional win conditions outside of these. Humans will count towards the Autobots numbers and The Fallen will not count on either side of the equation.

Transformer Abilities (taking any action, unless otherwise stated, leaves you in the vulnerable disguise mode that night)
Autobots
1. Scanner 1.0- Determine a player's allegiance if they are in Transformer mode.
2. Scanner 2.0- Determine a player's allegiance if they are in disguise mode.
3. Leadership- Your vote counts for three on DAYS you choose to exercise the action but you are in disguise mode that night.
4. The Savior- You may protect any player except yourself (you can't do the same person in two consecutive nights) but it leaves you in disguise mode. You may get information with a successful block.
5. Challenger- You can call out one person during the day and fight them. This leaves you permanently in disguise mode if you don't die during the fight. The person you fight will either die if you win or be left permanently in disguise mode and be stripped of their powers. You get to do this once.
6. Hunter- You can call out one person during the night and fight them. This leaves you permanently in disguise mode if you don't die during the fight. The person you fight will either die if you win or be left permanently in disguise mode and be stripped of their powers. You get to do this once.
7. Witness- You can follow one person each night and get information on their actions.
8. Searcher- You can search any person for part of the All-Spark. If you find a piece, you will steal it. If you get both pieces, you will earn new power.
9. Brave One- You can argue your way out of a lynch once but you must sacrifice someone else. You will be permanently left in disguise mode.
10. The Borrower- You can pick any player and steal their abilities for the game. This will leave both of you in permanent disguise mode. It is a one-time action but lasts the length of the game. Be warned, picking a Decepticon could lead to some unforeseen outcomes.
11. The Block- You can stop any player from doing their night action.
12. The Intuitive- You can scan one player each day to try and find The Fallen.
13. The Guard- You can scan a player each night to see if they are in Transformer or disguise mode.
14. The Resourceful- If scanned by The Fallen, you will automatically kill them. This leaves you in permanent disguise mode.
15. The Sacrificer- If nightkilled, you may leave behind evidence of who killed you.
16/17. The Twins- You may communicate between each other via PM but if one is lynched (note, NOT nightkilled), then you will both die.
18/19. The Humans- You know Bumblebee's identity but only win if you keep him alive. Mikaela has the power to rally him back from one kill although there may be serious consequences. In other words, if Bumblebee is killed and Mikaela is alive (and chooses to exercise her power), Bumblebee will be resurrected immediately. This power can be used only once.
20. The Resurrectionist- This character has the ability resurrect a person immediately after lynching. However, this action must be submitted prior to that lynch and is irreversible. The lynched person's identity will be uncovered as will the person who revives them. Both will be permanently left in disguise mode.
21. ???

Decepticons- The nightkiller is left in disguise mode. The kill order goes, as long as they all survive, Brutal, Thief, Powerful, Stalker, and reset.

1. Brutal- When lynched, you take any player of your choosing with you.
2. Thief- When lynched, you can steal the powers from any player of your choosing and leave them permanently in disguise mode.
3. Powerful- You can kill any player during your nightkill, regardless of if they are in Transformer or disguise mode.
4. Collector- You can search for a piece of the All-Spark. If you find one, you will steal it. Get both and you will be given an important choice. You cannot do a nightkill unless there are no other eligible Decepticons.
5. Stalker- You can scan a player and, if disguised, you can find out their role. You are also the cunning wolf.
6. Slut- You can block the action of any player. If you choose Sam Witwicky, you will kill him on site but be exposed in game. You cannot do any other nightkill unless there are no other eligible Decepticons.

The Fallen
1. The Fallen- To win, you simply must outlive The Powerful (Decepticon role) and the Savior (Autobot role). You can scan each night for one. You get a one time nightkill that you can use the next night after finding one of them (you must get a positive scan first).


This is the generic Autobot PM: You are an Autobot. Your name is _________. Your role is ________.

[PurdueBrad]

Transformers that may appear:

Autobots/Humans
Optimus Prime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Prime)
BumbleBee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee_%28Transformers%29)
Ironhide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironhide)
Ratchet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_%28Transformers%29)
Jetfire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jetfire)
Arcee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcee)
Mudflap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudflap_%28Transformers%29)
Skids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skids_%28Transformers%29)
Sideswipe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideswipe)
Jolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolt_%28Transformers%29)
Wheelie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheelie_%28Transformers%29)
Jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_%28Transformers%29)
Grimlock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimlock)
Prowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prowl_%28Transformers%29)
Sunstreaker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunstreaker)
Roadbuster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadbuster)
Jetfire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jetfire)
Wheeljack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeljack)
Gears (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gears_%28Transformers%29)
Windcharger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windcharger)
Grapple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapple_%28Transformers%29)
Hoist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_%28Transformers%29)
Skids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skids_%28Transformers%29)
Sam Witwicky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Witwicky#Samuel_James_Witwicky)
Mikaela Banes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikaela_Banes)

Decepticons
Megatron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatron)
Starscream (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starscream)
Soundwave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundwave_%28Transformers%29)
Frenzy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frenzy_%28Transformers%29)
Barricade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barricade_%28Transformers%29)
Alice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_%28Transformers%29)

The Fallen
The Fallen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_%28Transformers%29)

[PurdueBrad]

Signups:

1. Danny, The Fallen (converted)
2. Lathum Frenzy, Thief Decepticon
3. Lerriuqs, Sunstreaker, Scanner 1.0
4. Hoopsguy Mikaela Banes, Human/Autobot
5. Autumn Starscream, Brutal Decepticon
6. Darth Vilus, Jazz, Scanner 2.0
7. JAG Sideswipe, The Hunter
8. Schmidty, Ratchet, Brave One
9. J23, Optimus Prime, Savior
10. Eaglefan Barricade, Collector, Decepticon
11. RendeR Wheeljack, the Searcher Autobot
12. Passacaglia Arcee, the Resourceful Autobot
13. The Jackal, Bumblebee, the Leadership Autobot
14. LoneStarGirl, Ironhide, Challenger
15. KWhit, Megatron, Decepticon Powerful
16. Alan T Grapple, the Intuitive Autobot
17. DaddyTorgo, Jolt, the Borrower
18. GoldenEagle, Sam Witwicky, Human/Autobot
19. dubb93, Grimlock, the Sacrificer

Alternate:
19.5 Chief Rum, Go Bot

[Danny]

Even without that info, I am in :)

[Lathum]

in

[Alan T]

Edit (I'm allowed to edit before the game starts so hah!)

Your first post answered my questions.

I'm going to have to pass though, deadline isn't that great for me I fear!

[lerriuqs]

in

[hoopsguy]

I've got high hopes for this game based on the concepts in the "Next Game" thread and what is listed above.

In.

[Chief Rum]

I wish I could play, but unfortunately, I will need to utilize my free time to getting my game set, which is right after PB's. I will be following along, though. Looks like a good theme.

[PurdueBrad]

Man, two of my favorites sitting this one out! I'm hoping we can get everybody else in and I may drop some PMs to guys that played a while ago.

[Autumn]

I'm in.

[Darth Vilus]

I am so effing IN!

[Chief Rum]

Man, two of my favorites sitting this one out! I'm hoping we can get everybody else in and I may drop some PMs to guys that played a while ago.

You can put me down as an alternate. I won't be in at the start unless I get a lot more done on my game set before your game starts, but I might be able to contribute as a replacement if need be (regardless).

[Darth Vilus]

So we need a minimum of 27 people I believe, let's get em!

[JAG]

Alright, I'm back for another.

[Schmidty]

I'll play.

Give me an easy role because my brain hurts.

[J23]

I'm in.

[EagleFan]

I'll sign up. My head nearly exploded reading the rules but I'll give it a shot. :)

[PurdueBrad]

Hey guys, aiming for either a Sunday role release/Monday start or a Monday roles release/Tuesday start. I'm going to work on some recruiting as well...

[Darth Vilus]

so what does megatron transform into, the cannon or the jet?

[Schmidty]

Where's Mirage? He was my favorite character when I was a kid. If I were able to pick, I'd be him. :)

He'd be a perfect conversion character.

http://images.tfaw.com/covers_tfaw/400/ja/jan083681e.jpg

[RendeR]

Oh alright, I'll bite. In like a bad broken habit coming back to haunt you all.

[Passacaglia]

Transformers was the only comic book I read regularly. Those were awesome. I'm in.

[Lathum]

Depending on tomorrows game I know who my day 1 vote will be

[hoopsguy]

Signups:
Hoopsguy (Go U of I, beat up on Michigan for my Boilers the next week)
Passacaglia

You had more hope for my football team than I did.

I just left Passacaglia in the above quote because he is a UM fan :p

[EagleFan]

Depending on tomorrows game I know who my day 1 vote will be

+1

:)

[LoneStarGirl]

I am afraid this game looks a little too advanced for me. I am in because I know you need players Purdue but I hope I dont screw it up!

[The Jackal]

I'll play

[PurdueBrad]

I am afraid this game looks a little too advanced for me. I am in because I know you need players Purdue but I hope I dont screw it up!

Honestly, rules look harder than they should (and I think that is my fault). I think you'll do great actually.

[Danny]

I am afraid this game looks a little too advanced for me. I am in because I know you need players Purdue but I hope I dont screw it up!

Games always look tougher than they are, I am sure a day or two in we will get the hang of the mechanics.

[EagleFan]

Games always look tougher than they are, I am sure a day or two in we will get the hang of the mechanics.

But I'll be voted off by then... :(

[KWhit]

I'll play.

[Lathum]

Vote Eaglefan

[Darth Vilus]

just 15? Let's try this then, "You will sign up for Transformers: Th Werewolf Game. You will be more than happy to recruit others to the game as well. When you play YOU WILL NOT VOTE DARTH VILUS".

[EagleFan]

Vote Eaglefan

But the game's not over yet... :)

Of course, as I type this the Giants seemed to think they didn't need to cover Jackson.

[PurdueBrad]

just 15? Let's try this then, "You will sign up for Transformers: Th Werewolf Game. You will be more than happy to recruit others to the game as well. When you play YOU WILL NOT VOTE DARTH VILUS".

HA! I'm hoping to score another three or four people, we'll see. I sent out a couple invitations this morning.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'll be in

[GoldenEagle]

In.

[PurdueBrad]

Likely going to send out roles tonight with one caveat. Tomorrow afternoon/evening I teach at NIU which does not allow me access from basically 5 pm EST to 8 pm EST (meaning I'll be out of touch for 3 of the 4 1/2 hours prior to the deadline). I don't think it'll be a problem but I'll do my best to answer any questions in advance.

[Alan T]

I went ahead and had PB add me since he needed more folks. I told him in PM, but will say here as well before the roles go out that I'm super slammed at work right now these days. (I worked 25 hours straight from Friday morning 4:30am until Saturday morning 5:30am this week for instance). So don't take my lack of involvement at times in the game as a sign of me trying to play under the radar. I don't know how to play under the radar.

[LoneStarGirl]

Vote alant

your lack of participation is suspicious

[dubb93]

I will add to the numbers. The time I will be able to dedicate to this game is nowhere near what I am accustomed to. With that said I want in.

[PurdueBrad]

Thanks dubb! I'm prepping everything now and will have stuff going out around 8 pm CST.

[PurdueBrad]

Role information will begin going out in a few moments. Please wait to post until I announce the start of the game (it's not really the end of the world if you don't listen, not like if you Autobots lose to the Decepticons and The Fallen).

[Lathum]

to early for me to vote Eaglefan?

[hoopsguy]

OK, for those who have seen the movie - what do I need to know from there that I won't (sort of) recall from the cartoons back in the 80's?

[EagleFan]

to early for me to vote Eaglefan?

If he votes like Eli plays he'll probably end up voting for himself... :D :devil:

[PurdueBrad]

All roles should be out. Thank you all so much for playing, I hope it is a good experience.

Basic reminder: Most of you have to actions available each day. Vote by 9 pm EST and submit a night action by 9:30 pm EST. If you do not vote, you'll be left vulnerable (in disguise mode) at night. If you choose not to exercise your action, you'll be left in protected (Transformer) mode at night. I hope that makes it easier to understand.

So, the story:

It has been fifteen short months since the Autobots and Decepticons squared off in Mission City. Despite the wreakage, carnage, and mass wounded, the government has somehow covered up the existence of giant alien robots. However, a new threat looms and Earth must call on their adopted defenders once again.

The captured Decepticons are missing from the Laurenitis Abyss. Government monitoring stations are completely clueless as to how this has happened. But it means one important thing, that a piece or pieces of the All Spark must have somehow survived the first battle.

Secondly, the Autobots have uncovered an important and cryptic message: The Fallen will rise again. It is either a new Viagra ad campaign or something much, much darker and scarier.

So it begins, in the deserts of Nevada, that the Autobots find themselves facing what could be their toughest task.

Their leader, Optimus Prime, stands before them and issues his famous, and perhaps fatal, order, "Autobots...roll out." And the hunt is on...

(Cue Linkin Park and we begin with a slo-mo shot of Megan Fox)

[Autumn]

OK, for those who have seen the movie - what do I need to know from there that I won't (sort of) recall from the cartoons back in the 80's?

good question. i haven't watched the movies and don't have a clue what "the fallen" are.

[PurdueBrad]

I'll help. The Fallen is one of the first race of Primes (Optimus' legacy) and he is one that went rogue or bad.

[Autumn]

(Cue Linkin Park and we begin with a slo-mo shot of Megan Fox)


Can we middle and end with that too?

[Autumn]

All right, well I'm here. I'm pretty much gone for the night here but should be around a fair amount tomorrow. This will be fun.

[Lathum]

If he votes like Eli plays he'll probably end up voting for himself... :D :devil:

haha

[Lathum]

vote EF

[Passacaglia]

I'll help. The Fallen are the first race of Primes (Optimus' legacy) and The Fallen is one that went rogue or bad.

So The Fallen are both? My only experience is the comic books, and my memories of the TV shows from over 20 years ago.

[Schmidty]

I'm here.

[Schmidty]

VOTE ALANT

Because he didn't play in my game. :)

[PurdueBrad]

So The Fallen are both? My only experience is the comic books, and my memories of the TV shows from over 20 years ago.

Yeah, Primes are the same race as the Autobots and Decepticons, they were good, preserved worlds, etc except for the one known as The Fallen. He looked to destroy and gain power.

[DaddyTorgo]

what's up? i got my role

[PurdueBrad]

Votes starting at post 50 count:

Eaglefan (1): Lathum (55)
Alan T (1): Schmidty (58)

[Alan T]

Checking in. I see that I already have a vote. That was record time for me!

Anyways, I'm out until tomorrow.

[EagleFan]

vote Schmidty

Pretty poor reason for a vote.

[Schmidty]

vote Schmidty

Pretty poor reason for a vote.

It's day one. I was joking. But I'll agree with you. :)

Unvote AlanT

Vote EagleFan

[EagleFan]

1st poor reason, then becoming the first to cast a second vote (and this early). Not a great track record already.

[lerriuqs]

Checking in. Out till tomorrow.

[Schmidty]

1st poor reason, then becoming the first to cast a second vote (and this early). Not a great track record already.

Why?

I don't get it. What's so bad about that? It's day one. I'm a crappy player as everyone knows, so enlighten me as to your reasoning that it's a bad "track record" (as if you can have one after 3 total votes on day one).

Seems to me that you're really latching on to something pretty tightly there EF...

[EagleFan]

Why?

I don't get it. What's so bad about that? It's day one. I'm a crappy player as everyone knows, so enlighten me as to your reasoning that it's a bad "track record" (as if you can have one after 3 total votes on day one).

Seems to me that you're really latching on to something pretty tightly there EF...

Lighten up. Just pointing out two things that I have seen people come after others for on day one votes. 1st was using a similar type of excuse for the vote, 2nd thing that has caused suspicion in the past has been making a second vote on someone and you just provided the 3rd, getting too defensive about your voting on day one.

I actually think you are clear (though I see where thinking got me last game) as I didn't see you do any of that when you were actually a wolf.

[LoneStarGirl]

1st poor reason, then becoming the first to cast a second vote (and this early). Not a great track record already.

I definitely have to agree. I have never been fond on the person to cast the first second vote on somebody. In past games I have always voted for this person, but this game I am goin to wait it out.

I was really excited to get my PM and see that I had a role, then I checked the thread and realized everybody had a role!

Question : When you are in disguise you are the car correct? And nobody can tell if you are good or bad? Even though in the movie Chevys were good and Ford bad?

[Schmidty]

Lighten up.

Huh? I'm not even remotely mad or worked up. Just asked a question.

Sheesh,

[Schmidty]

I definitely have to agree. I have never been fond on the person to cast the first second vote on somebody

This is the silliest WW "tradition" of all. There is no evidence at all that it's a good indicator of wolfishness. To me, calling people out for it is just an excuse to pin stuff on an easy target.

Remind me to go back to being UTR next time.

[PurdueBrad]

Question : When you are in disguise you are the car correct? And nobody can tell if you are good or bad? Even though in the movie Chevys were good and Ford bad?

Hehe, I loved that from the movie. When you are disguised, you are in car mode and characters might be able to find things out about you, kill you, etc. and it is more likely than if you are in your robot mode. However, if you do a night action, it puts you in disguise mode. Hope that helps!

[The Jackal]

checking in, go phillies?

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, Fallen are the same race as the Autobots and Decepticons, they were good, preserved worlds, etc except for the one known as The Fallen. He looked to destroy and gain power.

I am not part of this game (just a possible alternate), so forgive me if I go off into a side thing here, but this is really confusing.

The Fallen==the first race of Primes
The Fallen==the one robot from among those Primes that went rogue

?

I think we have some confusion here.

I went to wiki, the website which knows all (so take this FWIW), and there were two "Fallens" put forth.

Comic version:

The Fallen was one of 13 original Transformers built Primus, who is something like the father of all Transformers. The Fallen betrayed his creator and followed Primus's evil twin Unicron. Unicron and the Fallen fought against Primus and the rest of the created Transformers (got fuzzy here, but I believe they were called the Primes) and were defeated, and the Fallen was sucked into some space between dimensions through a black hole. He was later accidentally freed, and in the ensuing war he started, was destroyed by Primus himself.

Film version:

The Fallen was one of seven Primes (the first Transformers), who were all designated to find systems to build Sun Harvesters to create energon, the energy Transformers use to survive. There was only one rule, and that was that the Primes could not build Sun Harvesters in systems that contain life (the SHs destroy the suns and systems). The Fallen chose to ignore this, believing the Transformers were the ultimate race, and built one on Earth. He gathered other similarly minded Transformers (non-Primes) to his side and formed the "Decepticons". That triggered a war between the Decepticons and the Primes. The Primes won, their former brother the Fallen was imprisoned on Cybertron, and the Matrix of Leadership, the tool which activates the Sun Harvester on Earth, was hidden in a tomb composed of the Primes bodies.

Optimus Prime is the last of those Primes. And only a Prime can kill the Fallen. Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons when the Fallen ain't around, but he acknowledges the Fallen as his master. The Decepticons wear a carticature of the Fallen's face as their symbol.

The rest of it delves more into what happens in the movie (some of which I revealed here), and I doubt it's necessary to get further into it and at the same time reveal the movie plot and what not. Just in case anyone wants to see it who hasn't.

[DaddyTorgo]

This is the silliest WW "tradition" of all. There is no evidence at all that it's a good indicator of wolfishness. To me, calling people out for it is just an excuse to pin stuff on an easy target.

Remind me to go back to being UTR next time.

I agree about this being silly.

[PurdueBrad]

Film version:

The Fallen was one of seven Primes (the first Transformers), who were all designated to find systems to build Sun Harvesters to create energon, the energy Transformers use to survive. There was only one rule, and that was that the Primes could not build Sun Harvesters in systems that contain life (the SHs destroy the suns and systems). The Fallen chose to ignore this, believing the Transformers were the ultimate race, and built one on Earth. He gathered other similarly minded Transformers (non-Primes) to his side and formed the "Decepticons". That triggered a war between the Decepticons and the Primes. The Primes won, their former brother the Fallen was imprisoned on Cybertron, and the Matrix of Leadership, the tool which activates the Sun Harvester on Earth, was hidden in a tomb composed of the Primes bodies.

Optimus Prime is the last of those Primes. And only a Prime can kill the Fallen. Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons when the Fallen ain't around, but he acknowledges the Fallen as his master. The Decepticons wear a carticature of the Fallen's face as their symbol.

The rest of it delves more into what happens in the movie (some of which I revealed here), and I doubt it's necessary to get further into it and at the same time reveal the movie plot and what not. Just in case anyone wants to see it who hasn't.


That's the version I went with despite much preferring the comic book version. The Fallen here won't have the same kill conditions although it was something I considered. I just felt it overpowered that role to make The Fallen killable by only two characters.

[PurdueBrad]

Votes as of post 76:

Eaglefan (2): Lathum (55), Schmidty (64)
Schmidty (1): Eaglefan (63)

[J23]

If you choose not to exercise your action, you'll be left in protected (Transformer) mode at night. I hope that makes it easier to understand.

Unless I'm missing something, the only thing that I can see in the rules that you're protected from is the Scanner 2.0. I'm guessing that I'm missing something since there doesn't seem to be any advantage for the Transformers to stay "in disguise". In fact, looking at the Stalker role, it seems better to not be in disguise since it says they only find out the role if disguised.

[Darth Vilus]

Hehe, I loved that from the movie. When you are disguised, you are in car mode BUT some characters might be able to find things out about you, kill you, etc. but it is less likely than if you are in your robot mode. However, if you do a night action, it puts you in Robot mode. Hope that helps!


I think you meant to say " if you do a night action it puts you in disguise mode" not robot mode.

also, i dont think the 7 primes in the movie were part of something called the fallen, i think The fallen just refers to the transformer who "fell", as in go over to the dark side.

[Darth Vilus]

Unless I'm missing something, the only thing that I can see in the rules that you're protected from is the Scanner 2.0. I'm guessing that I'm missing something since there doesn't seem to be any advantage for the Transformers to stay "in disguise". In fact, looking at the Stalker role, it seems better to not be in disguise since it says they only find out the role if disguised.

Most players won't be able to use their actions unless they go into disguise mode.

[Darth Vilus]

oh and just warning everyone, i have to be at work by 4:00 Est tomorrow so I'll have to vote early and then won't be around for awhile.

[Danny]

I finally read through the rules. Game is not too bad in complexity with the only real ? being how the disguise mode aspect will work. Also since we have 19 players, normally a breakdown of 14 autobots, 4 decepticons and 1 fallen would make sense. But because of all the roles, I'd say there is a decent chance it is actually 13 autobots, 5 decepticons and 1 fallen.

[RendeR]

Checking in. Its been awhile, be gentle with me *meep*

[PurdueBrad]

I think you meant to say " if you do a night action it puts you in disguise mode" not robot mode.

Thanks, and corrected.

[Passacaglia]

I definitely have to agree. I have never been fond on the person to cast the first second vote on somebody. In past games I have always voted for this person, but this game I am goin to wait it out.


Out of curiosity, have you checked to see how well that strategy has worked out for you?

[Passacaglia]

This is the silliest WW "tradition" of all. There is no evidence at all that it's a good indicator of wolfishness. To me, calling people out for it is just an excuse to pin stuff on an easy target.

Remind me to go back to being UTR next time.

I agree with this -- I see it as basically being a form of being UTR. Which I won't remind you to do, Schmidty, even though I also think that voting for someone just because they challenge you in the slightest is another form of being UTR -- basically giving yourself the out to say "well he was attacking me" rather than having to put yourself out there for something.

[PurdueBrad]

Holloman Air Force Base, Alamagordo, New Mexico-

The sun breaks over the base, chasing away several days of rain. Some morning dew and fog still lingers and several of the airmen, walking from their barracks to the mess hall, think, "It's a good day to be in the Air Force."

You see, life has been quiet around here, even after the government moved a lot of materials from the now defunct Sector 7. In its place, a new group has sprung up named N.E.S.T. (Networked Elements: Support and Transformers) that serves as a quick strike team against Decepticons around the globe.

Today, with the Autobots away, the Decepticons will play. The Constructicons, a group made of up multiple Decepticons, that form one larger robot are unleashing havoc. The call goes out to Optimus Prime and the Autobots begin racing to confront their first Decepticon threat...

votes are due by 9 EST

[PurdueBrad]

I think I've played in games with all of you but I have decent access at work and will do my best to answer any and all questions within a half hour to forty-five minutes. As I stated before, the exception will be this afternoon when I'm unavailable from 4:30 EST to 8 EST. My apologies for that.

[J23]

By being in this state, there are very large disadvantages, such as a much higher chance of being nightkilled or perhaps challenged/killed by another player.

I guess this is the section that I had missed initially. Are the mechanics behind this hidden I take it? By reading this, it seems if we don't use our powers, we have a chance of surviving a nightkill order?

[PurdueBrad]

I guess this is the section that I had missed initially. Are the mechanics behind this hidden I take it? By reading this, it seems if we don't use our powers, we have a chance of surviving a nightkill order?

This is true, there is a greater chance of surviving a nightkill but it means you pass on using your power. This was originally going to be completely hidden but in laying out the Powerful wolf's powers, it is easy to infer that there is a mechanic at work.

[Danny]

I have to go, I will be at work until about 30 minutes before deadline, so will place a vote now just in case

[Danny]

Vote Lerriuqs

[Danny]

I picked him because he tends to be a quiet player and usually avoids suspicion early on in games.

[Autumn]

All right, thanks for not talking too much overnight guys. It's hard to say what the numbers would be, since there's some percentage chance, and we don't know how much, of surviving a night kill, not to mention our other powers. It should be interesting.

I should be around fairly often so I'll hold on to my vote for now.

[Passacaglia]

I would like to vote PurdueBrad for failing to number the list of sign-ups. Am I seriously expected to count for myself how many players there are? Epic fail.

[Alan T]

Usually on day 1, I try to see what I can tell about people from their posts. Try to get a feel and vote with that. If I don't really pick up on anything, I just go with someone who hadn't checked in as default.

Since I'm not sure of my availability today, I need to go ahead and get a vote in. I don't really have a great place to put my day 1 vote, so will go with the person who made me think the most about their posts so far.

It was proven long ago that the second vote on someone on day 1 historically has been a far higher percentage of being a villager than a wolf. (To go along with historically there are far more villagers than wolves on day 1 anyways). Eaglefan used this logic earlier as he subtly threw it out as a reason why Schmidty looked bad.

Now, I'm not used to having wolves come out and try to ruffle me up on day 1 or try to draw my attention by putting an early vote on me like Schmidty did, so I guess I just took it for what it was and left it at that.

I guess I just got a weird vibe from Eaglefan's posts last night. So I'll put my vote there. I know it is a third vote on him and only one other person has a vote thus far, but *shrug* its what I have so I'll go with it. I might be back later, hopefully will. But just in case I don't.

Vote Eaglefan

[Passacaglia]

You had more hope for my football team than I did.

I just left Passacaglia in the above quote because he is a UM fan :p

Just saw this -- I had been avoiding the thread for spoilers, since I didn't watch most of the 2nd half until Sunday morning. On Saturday, I had watched right up until the Illini scored to make it 14-13. I was still feeling pretty good. But wow, what a bunch of crap. You're going to seriously let momentum from a goal-line stand carry Illinois to 31 unanswered points? Jesus. At this point, beating Purdue is probably our only shot at a bowl game, since beating Wisconsin or Ohio State is very unlikely.

[PurdueBrad]

I would like to vote PurdueBrad for failing to number the list of sign-ups. Am I seriously expected to count for myself how many players there are? Epic fail.

Your wish is my command...it is done. Now, GO PURDUE!!!

[lerriuqs]

Usually on day 1, I try to see what I can tell about people from their posts. Try to get a feel and vote with that. If I don't really pick up on anything, I just go with someone who hadn't checked in as default.

Since I'm not sure of my availability today, I need to go ahead and get a vote in. I don't really have a great place to put my day 1 vote, so will go with the person who made me think the most about their posts so far.

It was proven long ago that the second vote on someone on day 1 historically has been a far higher percentage of being a villager than a wolf. (To go along with historically there are far more villagers than wolves on day 1 anyways). Eaglefan used this logic earlier as he subtly threw it out as a reason why Schmidty looked bad.

Now, I'm not used to having wolves come out and try to ruffle me up on day 1 or try to draw my attention by putting an early vote on me like Schmidty did, so I guess I just took it for what it was and left it at that.

I guess I just got a weird vibe from Eaglefan's posts last night. So I'll put my vote there. I know it is a third vote on him and only one other person has a vote thus far, but *shrug* its what I have so I'll go with it. I might be back later, hopefully will. But just in case I don't.

Vote Eaglefan

An interesting post. I may very follow this but I would like to see how things go for a while longer before I cast my vote. I don't really like putting Vote number four down this early on Day one when there's no one else that's close at this point...

[hoopsguy]

PB, are you willing to share a high-level overview on the order of actions? There seem like a few different abilities that could collide and it would be helpful to know order-of-actions in order to interpret results correctly.

[Lathum]

PB

It looks like the game started in post 87. Do all the votes prior to that count or do I need to revote?

[PurdueBrad]

PB, are you willing to share a high-level overview on the order of actions? There seem like a few different abilities that could collide and it would be helpful to know order-of-actions in order to interpret results correctly.

I can definitely share it. Any actions that specifically butt up against one another will be determined by order the action was received. For instance, if player A were to pass player B a piece of the All-Spark and a player C was scanning and trying to steal the All-Spark from player A, then I process them in time order. So if player C's order came first, he'll steal the All-Spark before A could give it to B.

Otherwise, there are certain preferences given to the basic roles: Bodyguard block will always be my first processed order and wolf kill will always be my last processed action.

Hope this helps. If there is something more specific or individual, feel free to drop me a PM. If there is a general follow-up, feel free to post it here.

[PurdueBrad]

PB

It looks like the game started in post 87. Do all the votes prior to that count or do I need to revote?

Everything from post 49 has counted, so you're all good. I added this mornings story part more as flavor and will likely do so each day.

[Lathum]

OK, well my vote stands for now then. I would probably switch to someone who doesn't check in or if my vote becomes meaningless.

[JAG]

Hi PB,

Can you reconcile this for me? You said last night:

When you are disguised, you are in car mode BUT some characters might be able to find things out about you, kill you, etc. but it is less likely than if you are in your robot mode. However, if you do a night action, it puts you in disguise mode. Hope that helps!

So that seems to say 'robot' (Transformer) mode is more vulnerable than disguise mode. But the rules state:

Roles:However, for most of you to exercise your abilities, you will have to risk being in disguise mode, a weakened state in which, for instance, if you are Bumblebee, you would be a Camaro that night rather than in robot form. By being in this state, there are very large disadvantages, such as a much higher chance of being nightkilled or perhaps challenged/killed by another player. Understand however, your safety is not guaranteed in Transformer mode. In fact, most of you will be unable to do your action if you are in Transformer mode.

Transformer Abilities (taking any action, unless otherwise stated, leaves you in the vulnerable disguise mode that night)


Which leads one to believe the disguise state is the weakened state. I assume the rules are correct on this point, but I'd like to see it clarified if you could.

[PurdueBrad]

JAG, rules are right as is your understanding. Correcting that post again (I knew I had another wording issue there, gracias).

[DaddyTorgo]

alright...day 1 here we go

*eyeing the game*

[JAG]

The last game I played with Alan, he was uncanny with his intuition. However, I didn't think EF's posts were any different than they usually are so I'm going to go a different way for now.

vote lerriuqs

[PurdueBrad]

UPDATED
Votes as of post 108:

Eaglefan (3): Lathum (55), Schmidty (64), Alan T (96)
Schmidty (1): Eaglefan (63)
Lerriuqs (2): Danny (92), JAG (108)

[hoopsguy]

JAG, why did you opt for voting Lerriuqs in this spot?
- as opposed to bringing in a 4th candidate?
- as opposed to Schmidty, who also had one vote?

Was this a straight random vote, or was there something behind it other than "not follow Alan, not add to leading vote getter"? Because that is all I could construe from your vote post.

[JAG]

JAG, why did you opt for voting Lerriuqs in this spot?
- as opposed to bringing in a 4th candidate?
- as opposed to Schmidty, who also had one vote?

Was this a straight random vote, or was there something behind it other than "not follow Alan, not add to leading vote getter"? Because that is all I could construe from your vote post.

Yeah, I didn't post the rest of my thoughts:

1. I felt like in recent games we had been going a little hog wild with number of candidates D1, so I felt like adding another vote as opposed to bringing in another player.

2. Schmidty's earlier posts made him sound villagery, so I didn't go there.

I had zero read on lerriuqs whatsoever, so he was my process of elimination vote.

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I agree on point #2 (Schmidty = early villager vibe).

I'm not quite ready to go down the "consolidation" path this early, however. I'm not sure how good/bad any of the three candidates are at this point.

I'll take my own shot at a guy that I like to try and get talking in these games, TheJackal. He can be a real high volume poster at times, but other games he drifts into the background and I forget he is playing. I'll put the vote here now if for no other reason than for wanting to have the vocal Jackal playing this one.

VOTE THE JACKAL

[GoldenEagle]

I am checking in. It is going to be a busy day at work so I won't be around much.

[dubb93]

JAG

I would hate to miss out on discussing a player, JAG who has introduced the early second candidate.

I do agree with everyone else that I don't think Schmidty seems bad based on his early posts.

[dubb93]

JAG

I would hate to miss out on discussing a player, JAG who has introduced the early second candidate.

I do agree with everyone else that I don't think Schmidty seems bad based on his early posts.

eh,

Vote JAG

[PurdueBrad]

Votes as of post 115:

Eaglefan (3): Lathum (55), Schmidty (64), Alan T (96)
Schmidty (1): Eaglefan (63)
Lerriuqs (2): Danny (92), JAG (108)
The Jackal (1): Hoopsguy (112)
JAG (1): dubb93 (115)

[Autumn]

I'm of the "put a fire under the quieter player" persuasion, and especially after the last few games I've played where it seems the vocal villagers got knocked out early. I wouldn't want to add a sixth to the mix now, so I'd be mostly likely to go Lerriuqs here, but I could go Schmidty as well.

[Autumn]

With roles distributed to everyone, it's going to make lynching that much worse. I hate to knock out a useful role early. These games I always get excited about all the extra powers we get, and forget about this part of it.

[Autumn]

Actually I don't want to turn this into a two person race, and so I'm going to go Schmidty, for now. The last game I was a wolf with him he showed that it's a bad idea to let him stay under the radar, so this should at least keep him talking ;-) I'll be around to move my vote if anyone tweaks my wolfdar.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

[EagleFan]

Checking back in, looks like there are more Giants fans on here than I thought... :D

unvote Schmidty

His play doesn't strike me as wolf-Schmidty as of yet.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm underwater at work - i'll make sure to at least get a vote in before i leave since i imagine i might not get home much before 9 (have to run an errand right after dinner that will take bout an hour)

[J23]

vote Lerriuqs

Simply because I'm yet to be able to get any kind of read on him.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE THE JACKAL

[PurdueBrad]

Votes as of post 123:

Eaglefan (3): Lathum (55), Schmidty (64), Alan T (96)
Lerriuqs (3): Danny (92), JAG (108), J23 (122)
The Jackal (2): Hoopsguy (112), Passacaglia (123)
JAG (1): dubb93 (115)
Schmidty (1): Autumn (119)


Updated

[DaddyTorgo]

well at least we don't have 18 candidates today...

[Darth Vilus]

alright well I have to be getting to work right now ut i'm going to

vote lerriuqs

It was either a toss up beteween him or EF so i just picked one

[Darth Vilus]

vote lerriuqs

i forgot to bold it

[lerriuqs]

alright well I have to be getting to work right now ut i'm going to

vote lerriuqs

It was either a toss up beteween him or EF so i just picked one

Why didn't you consider Jackal

vote Lerriuqs

Simply because I'm yet to be able to get any kind of read on him.

And how many here do you actually have a read on at this point?

I am curious as to why I've become a prime Day 1 target. I've been doing a pretty good job at sniffing out wolves based on posting in the last couple of games so the only reason I can see for voting me this early is to get me out of the way as a perceived threat by the wolves.

My strength is my voting, which normally comes out over the course of the game. Probably not a surprise the wolves would try to can that right off the bat.

To those voting for me and those still to vote. Give me a few days to prove myself before you vote me out. I'll demonstrate that I'm an autobot.

In the meantime, for now anyways, I'm going to look at the one who cast the first vote on me.

Vote Danny

[J23]

Perhaps I should have been more clear. When I said I was yet to get a read on you, I had meant in previous games. Of those with votes on them, you're the hardest for me to get a read on.

[PurdueBrad]

This is the big gap where I am out. I will be back by 8 pm EST if you guys need anything. Don't kill each other while I'm gone...unless of course you really want to!

[Passacaglia]

Why didn't you consider Jackal



And how many here do you actually have a read on at this point?

I am curious as to why I've become a prime Day 1 target. I've been doing a pretty good job at sniffing out wolves based on posting in the last couple of games so the only reason I can see for voting me this early is to get me out of the way as a perceived threat by the wolves.

My strength is my voting, which normally comes out over the course of the game. Probably not a surprise the wolves would try to can that right off the bat.

To those voting for me and those still to vote. Give me a few days to prove myself before you vote me out. I'll demonstrate that I'm an autobot.

In the meantime, for now anyways, I'm going to look at the one who cast the first vote on me.

Vote Danny

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not all out to get you!

Anyway, I think this is a pretty tired argument.

[JAG]

unvote lerriuqs
vote eaglefan

Not sure if anyone is avoiding him on purpose, but it seems odd he hasn't sniffed a vote for a while, so my vote is heading here.

[Passacaglia]

But I do agree with wondering why Darth Vilus dismissed The Jackal as an option.

[The Jackal]

Well, partly in self defense and partly in a decision between EF and lerriuqs posts:

VOTE EF

[PurdueBrad]

Also, I would appreciate any vote counts updates you can do.

[Lathum]

unvote lerriuqs
vote eaglefan

Not sure if anyone is avoiding him on purpose, but it seems odd he hasn't sniffed a vote for a while, so my vote is heading here.

can you explain the logic behind this argument because it makes no sense to me.

[Lathum]

Eaglefan (5): Lathum (55), Schmidty (64), Alan T (96) Jag (132) Jackal (134)
Lerriuqs (3): Danny (92), J23 (122), Darth Vilius (127)
The Jackal (2): Hoopsguy (112), Passacaglia (123)
JAG (1): dubb93 (115)
Schmidty (1): Autumn (119)
Danny (1) lerriuqs (128)

[KWhit]

Hey guys. I just got caught up and am checking in for the first time today.

Not sure where I'll go with my vote yet.

[DaddyTorgo]

I feel like the backwards-squirrel is getting somewhat of a bum-rap so I don't want to vote for him, but I'd like to tighten things up a bit, so for now (and with the understanding I may not be back by 9pm EST to change it):

VOTE JACKAL

[JAG]

can you explain the logic behind this argument because it makes no sense to me.

Honestly it's based more on feeling than iron logic. If EF is a wolf, I would expect wolves to avoid voting for him, especially if he has one of the more juicy wolf roles. Granted that assumption didn't work out too well last game, but there should be quite a few more wolves this game with all villagers having a role.

[Passacaglia]

Honestly it's based more on feeling than iron logic. If EF is a wolf, I would expect wolves to avoid voting for him, especially if he has one of the more juicy wolf roles. Granted that assumption didn't work out too well last game, but there should be quite a few more wolves this game with all villagers having a role.

I was thinking the same thing, and the fact that Lathum seemed so against it worries me.

UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE EAGLEFAN

[Autumn]

Obviously the Schmidty vote is wasted right now. I need to keep getting some work done, but will have a chance to get back in later. I'll think about where to go.

[lerriuqs]

Checking in before heading home. Obviously Danny won't gain any traction today so I'll be changing my vote before the deadline. Later.

[hoopsguy]

I think I'm interested in keeping Lerriuqs close in this one. FWIW, I did think he had terrific analysis down the stretch in the last game and I would like to give him some rope to play with as a result. But I'm feeling a little hinky about this latest EF surge and I think it makes sense to keep a two man race going right now. That means Lerriuqs at the moment, for better or worse.

UNVOTE JACKAL
VOTE LERRIUQS

[The Jackal]

FYI tonight is one of those nights where I'm about to leave and will be out for the night. Good luck with the lynch.

[LoneStarGirl]

Out of curiosity, have you checked to see how well that strategy has worked out for you?

Actually in the past three games I have played all three times the person has been a wolf. So it has great success. The last game I remember is I voted for Autumn and then I got duked and stopped following the game, and GE told me later that Autumn was a wolf. So this 'silly' strategy works for me

[LoneStarGirl]

Looks like this is a three person race so

vote lerriuqs

[RendeR]

Not fond of day one votes. Never have been.

I have nothing to go on any of these folks so I'll be back before 9 to see if a vote matters at this point.

[Schmidty]

Not fond of day one votes. Never have been.

I have nothing to go on any of these folks so I'll be back before 9 to see if a vote matters at this point.

Wait. You're saying that you might not vote because you don't like day 1?

That's weird, and it messes up vote analysis later in the game. Just curious as to why you think that would be a good idea.

[Lathum]

I was thinking the same thing, and the fact that Lathum seemed so against it worries me.

UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE EAGLEFAN



what the hell are you talking about?

Show me where I was against anything? I asked him to explain his logic.

I have a vote on EF for christs sake,have you even read the thread? Seems to me like you are trying to set me up for something.

[Lathum]

I don't know if this will get any traction but

UNVOTE EF
VOTE PASS

His comments have really chapped my ass. He claims I was SO against Jag switching his vote to EF, if thats the case than WHY THE HELL WOULD I HAVE MY VOTE THERE?

It's crappy, crappy logic...

He claims I was SO against

[EagleFan]

Not sure what else to say other than it's just soing to continue the lousy village play trend from last game if I am voted out. I suspect I am gettig backlash from being "untouchable" last game. I also suspect that the wolves are behind the move somewhere along the line.

I knew I was in line for this vote before the game even began so it doesn't surprise me in the least. Especially when Lathum announced his intention before the game even began, it just gave the wolves a target once the game started.

[PurdueBrad]

PLEASE make sure your inboxes are emptied out, there are a couple people I am trying to contact.

Also, be back in 20 minutes. Thanks for the vote updates guys!

[Schmidty]

Not sure what else to say other than it's just soing to continue the lousy village play trend from last game if I am voted out. I suspect I am gettig backlash from being "untouchable" last game. I also suspect that the wolves are behind the move somewhere along the line.

I knew I was in line for this vote before the game even began so it doesn't surprise me in the least. Especially when Lathum announced his intention before the game even began, it just gave the wolves a target once the game started.

Quite honestly, I would vote for someone else, but if I unvote again, I'll probably catch a crapstorm (are we allowed to swear this game?), that I'm afraid to move it.

[EagleFan]

For my take on the voters:

Lathum - no real idea as it seemed to be a planned vote from before the game began (probably ties into my RA vote day one last game)

Schmidty - He reacted too strongly to my vote, probably a villager based on how I have seen him play

Alan T - Latched on pretty quickly to nothing, keep your eye on him after I get voted off, I would bet that 3rd vote is actually more telling than 2nd vote as 2nd vote usually gets all the attention

JAG - no idea yet

The Jackal - I always give him too much benefit of the doubt but have not idea yet

[EagleFan]

As of 155:

Eaglefan 5 - Schmidty (64), Alan T (96), Jag (132), Jackal (134), Pass (141)
Lerriuqs 5 - Danny (92), J23 (122), Darth Vilius (127), hoops (144), LSG (147)
The Jackal 1 - DaddyTorgo (139)
JAG 1 - dubb93 (115)
Schmidty 1 - Autumn (119)
Danny 1 - lerriuqs (128)
Pass 1 - Lathum (151)

[KWhit]

So EF or Lerriuqs?

Hmmm....

[Lathum]

So EF or Lerriuqs?

Hmmm....

or Pass...

[EagleFan]

Why not 3rd party? AlanT seems to be the one that started that run on me. I would hope that everyone would look long and hard at him if I am lynched.

Why don't we bring him into the mix and really get a good voting history to judge? If I end up getting lynched I would rather the village have some good information to disect afterwards so it's not in vein.

[lerriuqs]

So...we have another hour right? All you guys change time and I don't so I get confused for about a week or so...

[KWhit]

Yeah. Another hour.

[Lathum]

Lerriuqs, why do you still have your vote on Danny. The logical vote for you is EF. Are you thinking of going elsewhere or just waiting to see what develops?

[Passacaglia]

Actually in the past three games I have played all three times the person has been a wolf. So it has great success. The last game I remember is I voted for Autumn and then I got duked and stopped following the game, and GE told me later that Autumn was a wolf. So this 'silly' strategy works for me

I actually meant something where you went back and checked how often it happened overall.

[KWhit]

Why not 3rd party? AlanT seems to be the one that started that run on me. I would hope that everyone would look long and hard at him if I am lynched.

Why don't we bring him into the mix and really get a good voting history to judge? If I end up getting lynched I would rather the village have some good information to disect afterwards so it's not in vein.

Dude. It's 5-5-1

I'm not feeling a big likelyhood that a third party candidate is going to be a big factor tonight.

I'm not feeling any real suspicion against AlanT anyway.

[lerriuqs]

Lerriuqs, why do you still have your vote on Danny. The logical vote for you is EF. Are you thinking of going elsewhere or just waiting to see what develops?

Kinda waiting to see what develops. I'll vote EF if I have to, but I'm not sold more there than anywhere else. EF hasn't voted either so it's not like there's any advantage to it at this point.

[Passacaglia]

what the hell are you talking about?

Show me where I was against anything? I asked him to explain his logic.

I have a vote on EF for christs sake,have you even read the thread? Seems to me like you are trying to set me up for something.

You said it makes no sense to you. I assumed that meant you were against it. If not, that's fine. Anyway, like I told lerriuqs, just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

[Danny]

I am home a bit early, but am really hungry. Will catch up and look at things after I eat.

[EagleFan]

Kinda waiting to see what develops. I'll vote EF if I have to, but I'm not sold more there than anywhere else. EF hasn't voted either so it's not like there's any advantage to it at this point.

Ditto. Our votes cancel out and I would rather see another choice out there. My gut says villager/villager at the moment so I am not in a hurry to vote at this time.

[Passacaglia]

I don't know if this will get any traction but

UNVOTE EF
VOTE PASS

His comments have really chapped my ass. He claims I was SO against Jag switching his vote to EF, if thats the case than WHY THE HELL WOULD I HAVE MY VOTE THERE?

It's crappy, crappy logic...

He claims I was SO against

You SAIDthe logic doesn't make any SENSE so I assumed you were AGAINST it.

[KWhit]

I hate day one votes. I kind of agree with whoever it was that said it was suspicious how EF got a lot of votes early and then nothing else for a while during the day. It's not much, but heck, I don't have any reason to suspect anybody really right now anyway, so it's better than nothing.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

[Autumn]

My kids are causing some issues tonight. I can't quite tell how soon I'm going to get in here. I can see it's tied and so I don't want to just throw out a vote without catching up. I'm going to try to come in and out and figure something out. I'd be fine with voting for a 3rd person if I see something, neither of these guys particularly stood out,but I want to look at the vote movement and see.

[Passacaglia]

or Pass...

Oh, right, you unvoted EF. Doesn't that take away some of your argument that whatever it is I'm trying to set you up for because you had your vote on him?

[EagleFan]

vote The Jackal

Seems odd that he was a third candidate an then at the blink of an eye was out of the running.

[Lathum]

You said it makes no sense to you. I assumed that meant you were against it. If not, that's fine. Anyway, like I told lerriuqs, just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

so saying you don't get someones logic equates to being against it? On what planet does that make any sense?

[lerriuqs]

Unvote Danny

Vote the Jackal

Let's see if there's any traction here. A third candidate on Day 1 isn't a bad thing.

[PurdueBrad]

Votes and PMs count as long as they beat the :01 of each deadline. In other words, a 9:00 vote counts, 9:01 does not.

[Autumn]

vote The Jackal

Seems odd that he was a third candidate an then at the blink of an eye was out of the running.

I felt the same about Schmidty. As soon as I voted him it seemed he got unvoted.

[Lathum]

Oh, right, you unvoted EF. Doesn't that take away some of your argument that whatever it is I'm trying to set you up for because you had your vote on him?

considering I unvoted him to vote you, who I find to be making suspicious argments then no, it takes nothing away from it.

[GoldenEagle]

I would like to keep things even for the time being and see if anyone moves their vote one way or the other.

VOTE lerriqus

[Lathum]

can someone not Pass read his argument and please tell me I am not crazy...

[lerriuqs]

I would like to keep things even for the time being and see if anyone moves their vote one way or the other.

VOTE lerriqus

So you keep things even by making them uneven??

[Autumn]

can someone not Pass read his argument and please tell me I am not crazy...

Well I think you're being Lathum, by which I mean a bit dramatic. But I see what you mean, you didn't understand Jag's thinking. However, in Pass's defense, this is Werewolf, and we're supposed to make mountains out of molehills. Especially on day one.

[Autumn]

So you keep things even by making them uneven??

I think he tied it up, didn't he?

[lerriuqs]

I think he tied it up, didn't he?

Sorry, missed Kwhit's vote. Yes he did.

[Alan T]

Catching up on the days posts, I don't currently see a reason to move my vote. It is tied 5-5 if I am correct, and out of the two Eaglefan vs Lerriqus, it feels to me that Eaglefan's comments earlier in the day did more to cause people to vote for him vs lerriqus who I can't really find any reason for the votes for. All I saw in catching up was one person saying they had problems reading him (on day 1?) and then a bunch of folks piling on as a not-Eaglefan vote.

I find it curious that lerriqus and Eaglefan are not wanting to vote each other, and Eaglefan is actively campaigning for a third candidate instead. I don't see any reason on day 1 why someone would rather risk their life then someone else via any of the good guy roles. I can think of a few bad roles that would give reasons for that though.

I also found it interesting that Lathum also seems to be talking one way and acting a different today by trying to back up his stance by saying his vote was still on Eaglefan despite appearing to try to talk people out of the vote. Then he seemed to latch on to a fairly flimsy reason to move his vote off as it came down to the wire later in the evening. he also is avoiding both Eaglefan and Lerriuqs and trying to get a third party candidate starting up.


At this point, I'm not sure it matters to me which one of the two get lynched based on the various moves tonight though.

[PurdueBrad]

As of 184:

Eaglefan 6 - Schmidty (64), Alan T (96), Jag (132), Jackal (134), Pass (141), KWhit (170),
Lerriuqs 6 - Danny (92), J23 (122), Darth Vilius (127), hoops (144), LSG (147), GoldenEagle (179)
The Jackal 3 - DaddyTorgo (139), Eaglefan (173), Lerriuqs (175)
JAG 1 - dubb93 (115)
Schmidty 1 - Autumn (119)
Pass 1 - Lathum (151)

Updated

[Alan T]

I'll be around for another 15 minutes or so but then likely gone to watch a bit of the Falcons game before I have a OOTP sim to run later.

[GoldenEagle]

So you keep things even by making them uneven??

Why are you hesitant to vote for EagleFan?

[EagleFan]

As of 184:

Eaglefan 6 - Schmidty (64), Alan T (96), Jag (132), Jackal (134), Pass (141), KWhit (170)
Lerriuqs 6 - Danny (92), J23 (122), Darth Vilius (127), hoops (144), LSG (147), GE (179)
The Jackal 3 - DaddyTorgo (139), EagleFan (173), lerriuqs (175)
JAG 1 - dubb93 (115)
Schmidty 1 - Autumn (119)
Pass 1 - Lathum (151)

[lerriuqs]

Why are you hesitant to vote for EagleFan?

I dunno. Though at the same time, it doesn't matter whether I do or not until EF votes for me.

[EagleFan]

Yeah baby!!!!! Throw at Victorino will they.

[LoneStarGirl]

I actually meant something where you went back and checked how often it happened overall.

Yah I dont keep up with games that closely, sorry. But its a great idea to keep track of that

[Danny]

Well, partly in self defense and partly in a decision between EF and lerriuqs posts:

VOTE EF

Did you consider Lerriuqs here? seems odd that you separate the vote here instead of putting the pressure on a second candidate and establishing yourself as a distant 3rd.

[LoneStarGirl]

Unvote Danny

Vote the Jackal

Let's see if there's any traction here. A third candidate on Day 1 isn't a bad thing.

I do not like the run here on The Jackal, two votes in ten minutes?

[lerriuqs]

Okay, I may have to leave the computer for a bit so I can't wait any longer. The third candidate obviously isn't going to fly. My self-defense vote, though it will be offset.

UNVOTE jackal

VOTE Eaglefan

Though, this is just great, get a decent role and I'm a potential Day 1 lynchee...

[Danny]

Not fond of day one votes. Never have been.

I have nothing to go on any of these folks so I'll be back before 9 to see if a vote matters at this point.

I hate day 1 votes for the most part

[KWhit]

Catching up on the days posts, I don't currently see a reason to move my vote. It is tied 5-5 if I am correct, and out of the two Eaglefan vs Lerriqus, it feels to me that Eaglefan's comments earlier in the day did more to cause people to vote for him vs lerriqus who I can't really find any reason for the votes for. All I saw in catching up was one person saying they had problems reading him (on day 1?) and then a bunch of folks piling on as a not-Eaglefan vote.

I find it curious that lerriqus and Eaglefan are not wanting to vote each other, and Eaglefan is actively campaigning for a third candidate instead. I don't see any reason on day 1 why someone would rather risk their life then someone else via any of the good guy roles. I can think of a few bad roles that would give reasons for that though.

I also found it interesting that Lathum also seems to be talking one way and acting a different today by trying to back up his stance by saying his vote was still on Eaglefan despite appearing to try to talk people out of the vote. Then he seemed to latch on to a fairly flimsy reason to move his vote off as it came down to the wire later in the evening. he also is avoiding both Eaglefan and Lerriuqs and trying to get a third party candidate starting up.


At this point, I'm not sure it matters to me which one of the two get lynched based on the various moves tonight though.

Yeah, wouldn't that be a nice surprise to have 2 in our sights.

Not likely, but a guy can dream, right?

[Alan T]

I do not like the run here on The Jackal, two votes in ten minutes?


Well, I have a serious problem with the last 20 minutes. maybe it is because I sped read to catch up on the thread and only really focused on the last twenty minutes...

But in that time I've seen Lathum campaign for Passacaglia.
Eaglefan campaign for me, and then for The Jackal
Lerriuqs move a vote to the jackal immediately after Eaglefan did


Maybe I am reading too much into things, but it feels like these three are actively trying to make a momentum shift here and I haven't seen the reason for it.

[Danny]

Ditto. Our votes cancel out and I would rather see another choice out there. My gut says villager/villager at the moment so I am not in a hurry to vote at this time.

Im considering the possibility of entering in a 3rd candidate now too, but am leaning against it after what happened last game.

[lerriuqs]

Well, I have a serious problem with the last 20 minutes. maybe it is because I sped read to catch up on the thread and only really focused on the last twenty minutes...

But in that time I've seen Lathum campaign for Passacaglia.
Eaglefan campaign for me, and then for The Jackal
Lerriuqs move a vote to the jackal immediately after Eaglefan did


Maybe I am reading too much into things, but it feels like these three are actively trying to make a momentum shift here and I haven't seen the reason for it.

Well I guarantee I'm not in league with those two. But I have been trying to create a momentum shift - to keep me from being lynched - but both villagers and wolves do that.

[Danny]

BTW, leftover top sirloin turned into a sandwich = yummy

[Lathum]

Alan

I can always move my vote back. I saw something that stood out, and rather then vote for a guy because of his affiliation to a sports team I actually decided to make an educated vote.

[lerriuqs]

Alright, I may not live much longer than today, but I'm going to reveal.

My role is Scanner 1.0. You're lynching one of the half-"seers"

[EagleFan]

Well, I have a serious problem with the last 20 minutes. maybe it is because I sped read to catch up on the thread and only really focused on the last twenty minutes...

But in that time I've seen Lathum campaign for Passacaglia.
Eaglefan campaign for me, and then for The Jackal
Lerriuqs move a vote to the jackal immediately after Eaglefan did


Maybe I am reading too much into things, but it feels like these three are actively trying to make a momentum shift here and I haven't seen the reason for it.

I would vote for you in a heartbeat if others voted for you BUT YOU HAD NO VOTES. It's pretty easy logic to follow.

[hoopsguy]

Based on the reveal, which is pretty sure to be contested shortly if bogus:

UNVOTE LERRIUQS
VOTE EAGLEFAN

[Alan T]

Alan

I can always move my vote back. I saw something that stood out, and rather then vote for a guy because of his affiliation to a sports team I actually decided to make an educated vote.


Yeah, I apologize if my timing was off some. Its hard for me to get great feels when speedreading. Just when I read through earlier it felt to me that you wern't using that excuse until it came down to the wire with a neck to neck race. (ie: you could have moved your vote off way earlier today, even when it looked like Eaglefan was going to get some consideration for a vote, but chose not to then).

So it just feels a little weird when considering it all together in one event over the last 30 minutes is all.

[Autumn]

All right, unless the kids wake up I have some time here. I usually like to vote mid day and stick to it rather than jump in at the end. So I'm going to try to think this out.

Main argument against EF seems to be JAG's, which came at post 132, and was that it was odd that EF got up to three votes early and then just stalled there for a good bit of time. I can see that point. Then again I know that my inclination is not to create a runaway early in the game by piling on to a lead vote getter, so I think it's just as likely others were thinking like me.

Main argument against Lerriuqs is that he is quiet, I think, and people wanted to put pressure on an UTR player. I made the same sort of vote against Schmidty that didn't go anywhere. Lerriuqs gathered some steam though with votes by JAG, J23 and Darth putting him in the lead.

More of interest to me is that as soon as Darth put Lerriuqs in the lead, JAG unvoted him and voted EF, putting him back in the lead, and Jackal followed with a vote of EF, then Pass a few more votes on. This seems like the most glaring "suspicious movement" I've found so far.

Case against jackal I think originally was that Hoops thought he was a guy he wanted to get active, similar UTR argument. Didn't gain any momentum after Pass's unvote until recently, with the search for a third candidate. I usually wish for a 3rd candidate day one myself, so it could be just that, especially given that it was largely composed of the two vote getters.

Not really a case against any of these three that i can see. However the movement away from Lerriuqs is the only thing that stand out to me.

[EagleFan]

Is he is a seer role than vote for me but a third party makes more sense. I am the witness but his role is more important than mine.

[Danny]

Alright, I may not live much longer than today, but I'm going to reveal.

My role is Scanner 1.0. You're lynching one of the half-"seers"

Hmmm, not a great idea to lynch the scanner 1.0 although it seems scanner 2.0 is probably the better one of the two. The issue with moving (even if you are telling the truth is we all have roles, so if EF is a villager we still lose something valuable. That said, I am obviously strongly looking at switching now.

[Danny]

Hmm now we have two reveals. witness and scanner 2.0. I actually am thinking the witness is a better role

[Danny]

Sorry, scanner 1.0

[Lathum]

Yeah, I apologize if my timing was off some. Its hard for me to get great feels when speedreading. Just when I read through earlier it felt to me that you wern't using that excuse until it came down to the wire with a neck to neck race. (ie: you could have moved your vote off way earlier today, even when it looked like Eaglefan was going to get some consideration for a vote, but chose not to then).

So it just feels a little weird when considering it all together in one event over the last 30 minutes is all.

I made my change with an hour and a half to deadline.

[Autumn]

Well, scrap all that. Anyone going to contest that reveal? 'cause it shoots a hole in the only inkling of evidence i had. lol

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE EAGLEFAN
VOTE THE JACKAL

[Autumn]

Hmm now we have two reveals. witness and scanner 2.0. I actually am thinking the witness is a better role

WAit, where?

[Lathum]

anyone have a vote count?

[PurdueBrad]

Eaglefan 7 - Schmidty (64), Alan T (96), Jag (132), Jackal (134), KWhit (170), lerriuqs (195), Hoopsguy (205)
Lerriuqs 5 - Danny (92), J23 (122), Darth Vilius (127), LSG (147), GoldenEagle (179)
The Jackal 3 - DaddyTorgo (139), Eaglefan (173), Passacaglia (214)
JAG 1 - dubb93 (115)
Schmidty 1 - Autumn (119)
Pass 1 - Lathum (151)

AS OF POST 216

[Autumn]

God, you guys are posting too fast, lol. Okay I found it. EF next time emphasize that a bit more!

Hmm.

[Danny]

Unvote Lerriuqs
Vote The Jackal

I believe witness is the superior role this game over scanner 1.0, so will switch back if necessary, but might as well test out a 3rd candidate and since I was looking at Jackal anyway, i will go along here.

[Passacaglia]

WAit, where?

208

[Alan T]

Hmm... I guess I don't see a wolf vs wolf reveal against each other. It doesn't hurt to let a possible reveal live longer. if they are what they say they are, they'll likely be night targets sooner then later anyways.

UNVOTE Eaglefan

Vote Lathum

[Alan T]

Ok, as I mentioned earlier. Falcons game is coming on. So I'm likely out until after deadline.

[Lathum]

Hmm... I guess I don't see a wolf vs wolf reveal against each other. It doesn't hurt to let a possible reveal live longer. if they are what they say they are, they'll likely be night targets sooner then later anyways.

UNVOTE Eaglefan

Vote Lathum


WTF is this?

[Lathum]

Unvote Pass
Vote Jackal

[Passacaglia]

Hmm... I guess I don't see a wolf vs wolf reveal against each other. It doesn't hurt to let a possible reveal live longer. if they are what they say they are, they'll likely be night targets sooner then later anyways.

UNVOTE Eaglefan

Vote Lathum


If you believe that both EF and lerriuqs are probably good, doesn't that kind of clear Lathum as well? I mean, if the suspicion is that he's trying to draw people away from the two of them, the fact that they're both good kind of takes that theory away, right?

[Lathum]

at least I am willing to cast a vote that may mean something

[lerriuqs]

Unvote Eaglefan

Vote Jackal

[Passacaglia]

WTF is this?

It's a vote for you, made by Alan T.

[Autumn]

I don't know if we have enough around to unvote EF and Lerriuqs. I'm going to vote Jackal just to minimize the chances of these two roles getting lynched. Here's hoping he doesn't have a better role.

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
VOTE THE JACKAL

[Lathum]

It's a vote for you, made by Alan T.

well Duh.

It is also an ultimate noncommittal vote.

[PurdueBrad]

Eaglefan 5 - Schmidty (64), Jag (132), Jackal (134), KWhit (170), Hoopsguy (205)
Lerriuqs 4 - J23 (122), Darth Vilius (127), LSG (147), GoldenEagle (179)
The Jackal 7 - DaddyTorgo (139), Eaglefan (173), Passacaglia (214), Danny (218), Lathum (224), lerriuqs (227), Autumn (229)
JAG 1 - dubb93 (115)
Lathum 1- Alan T (221)
AS OF POST 231

UPDATED

[Alan T]

If you believe that both EF and lerriuqs are probably good, doesn't that kind of clear Lathum as well? I mean, if the suspicion is that he's trying to draw people away from the two of them, the fact that they're both good kind of takes that theory away, right?


I didn't say that I believe both of them. It is kind of convenient that we have two important roles in the run off at the same time? I just have always said it is usually a mistake to do the wolves work for them there if you guess wrong.

So instead I am putting my vote somewhere that can possibly tell me more about these two instead of just waiting around to let the wolves possibly do my job for me.

I will not be ramrodded into having only one vote that I possibly can make to make people happy. I like where my vote is just fine. If you don't agree with it then don't join me there. I think it personally tells us a ton more about today than the Jackal vote does though.

[Autumn]

okay, guess we did have enough. Sorry, my kids are both sick and I have to keep running to deal with them, and by then everything's changed.

[EagleFan]

okay, guess we did have enough. Sorry, my kids are both sick and I have to keep running to deal with them, and by then everything's changed.

Sorry to hear about the kids being sick, hope they feel better.

[Lathum]

So instead I am putting my vote somewhere that can possibly tell me more about these two instead of just waiting around to let the wolves possibly do my job for me.
.

So let me get this straight.

You slam me for switching to Pass an hour and a half prior to deadline, then with 25 minutes left you switch to me, someone with no votes?

Way to distance yourself from the voting records.

[Lathum]

I didn't say that I believe both of them. It is kind of convenient that we have two important roles in the run off at the same time? I just have always said it is usually a mistake to do the wolves work for them there if you guess wrong.

If that's the case why the vote on me?

I'm not making this argument because it is me, I am making it because this vote reeks of trying to steer clear of any controversy.

Enjoy the Falcons game.

[hoopsguy]

UNVOTE EAGLEFAN
VOTE LATHUM

Honestly, I trust Alan more than I trust this emerging run at the moment. Will try to get back to change if needed, but the double reveal + run on guy who is not here smells very, very fishy to me.

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE LATHUM

I'm up for making it interesting, since I doubt EF and lerriuqs will get more votes at this point.

[Danny]

Unvote Jackal
Vote Lathum

Let's turn this back into a two person race and I do happen to trust AlanT's gut more than mine assuming he is good.

[Passacaglia]

Great minds think alike...and so do ours!

[Autumn]

I hate last minute reveals. No time to work up another candidate. Can you guys point out your dirt on Lathum? Quickly? lol

[LoneStarGirl]

Alright, I may not live much longer than today, but I'm going to reveal.

My role is Scanner 1.0. You're lynching one of the half-"seers"

I guess that I can believe that for now and switch my vote.

[Danny]

Great minds think alike...and so do ours!

:D

[JAG]

UNVOTE EAGLEFAN

I don't see much reason to keep this vote, assuming he's telling the truth.

[Lathum]

So speaking of runs...

[Autumn]

Well, that was before I saw even more votes. I thought Jackal was getting a last minute run, that was nothing.

[lerriuqs]

Unvote Jackal

Vote Lathum

I trust AlanT and I don't really like voting out the guys who aren't here either...

[Passacaglia]

I see 5 for The Jackal, 4 for Lathum. 4 each for EF and lerriuqs.

[Lathum]

I have no defense here except someone is trying to save someone else.

[LoneStarGirl]

I made my change with an hour and a half to deadline.

an hour and a half? I only have 13 minutes now till deadline