Werewolf CXXIV - Watchmen (Game Over, Wolves Win!, endpost:704)

[The Jackal]

WARNING: SPOILERS - I'm not going to be revealing the whole plot or anything like that, but some of the characters will have abilities tied into things that are revealed in the book. It's a great read, so if you haven't yet, you should! Also, some of the characters that are labeled "evil" have been fudged by me so I could have some bad guys - this isn't accurate to the story.

Night Deadline: 10 PM EST (A warning, I end up going out some nights for dinner and the like, so the writeup may not ALWAYS go up at 10, but I'll do my best to get it in then, since I feel this is a better deadline then midday)
Morning Deadline: 930 AM EST

RULES:

There is to be no editing of posts. Editing of posts will result in instant death, with a flick of Dr. Manhattan's pinky finger.

In the event of a tied lynch vote, the deciding mechanism is unknown.

The wolves will know which roles are not in the game, should there be any.

ROLES:

Good:

Vanilla Villager - You are a regular Minuteman, called to serve a higher purpose and fight crime. You have no special abilities. (THIS IS THE VANILLA VILLAGER PM THAT ALL VANILLAS WILL RECEIVE)

Dr. Jonathan Osterman (Doctor Manhattan) - Duke. May once per game change the outcome of the vote. He cannot be nightkilled or lynched - once he is revealed (either by being targeted by the wolves, scanned by the wolves, or an attempted lynch) there will be a hidden mechanism by which he can be killed. Also possesses unknown powers. To clarify, an attempted night kill results in him being revealed in the writeup, as will an attempted lynch. He will know if he has been scanned by a wolf, but will not be forcibly revealed to the thread in that instance.

Walter Joseph Kovacs (Rorschach) - Seer. Each night he may scan an opposing player to learn if they are good or evil. He will not learn roles. Due to the mask he wears, if scanned by Moloch he will appear to be a regular Minuteman.

Edward Blake (The Comedian) - Bodyguard. May protect one person each night, though due to his volatile nature he will not protect the same person twice in a row. If he is protecting Sally Jupiter or Laurie Juspeczyk and they are attacked, he will kill the attacker.

Daniel Dreiberg (Nite Owl II) and Laurie Juspeczyk (Silk Spectre II) - Lovers. May communicate with each other freely through private messaging. If Laurie is killed, they both die. If Daniel is killed, Laurie will survive only if Dr. Manhattan is still alive. She will not be revealed in this case, nor will she then be subject to automatic death if Dr. Manhattan dies. If this series of events occurs, she will gain the ability to scan nightly for her father, Edward Blake.

Dr. Malcolm Long - Fake Seer. The interviewer of the notorious Rorschach, Dr. Long has become so obsessed with his story that he has turned himself into a copycat. Long will think that he is Rorschach, and can scan one player each night. He will always receive a "good" result, as his perceptive powers are faked.

Nelson Gardner (Captain Metropolis) - Former Marine-Lieutenant. If the game comes down to Metropolis and a wolf left, he will defeat the wolf and the village will win.

Hollis Mason (Nite Owl) - Lacking in any specific powers aside from his love of gadgets, Nite Owl will once during the course of the game be able to disable a player for an entire day phase. He can submit this order at any time, whether it be the night before, or anytime during the day (they will not be allowed to post for the remainder of the day).

Sally Juspeczyk (Sally Jupiter, Silk Spectre) - Sally is perhaps one of the most recognized and loved symbols of the Minutemen. In order to lynch her, she will need to be the leading candidate by at least two votes. If she is the leading candidate by one, there will be no lynch, she will be revealed, and this power will be nullified.

Evil:

Adrian Veidt (Ozymandias) - Organized this rendezvous and is controlling things behind the scenes. He is the cunning wolf, and if scanned by Rorschach he will appear to be good. If Mothman is not in the game, he will be brutal as well. Also possesses unknown powers.

Edgar William Jacobi (Moloch the Mystic) - Wolf Seer. May scan one player each night to learn their role.

Big Figure - Unknown wolf. Cannot communicate with the other wolves at the beginning of the game. Due to the connections he has developed during his time in prison, he may once per night scan a player to see if they are a wolf. If he finds one, or if Moloch finds him, he may then communicate freely with the other wolves.

Byron Lewis (Mothman) - Brutal wolf. Former member of the Minutemen that drove himself towards mental illness with his alcoholism. Has lost all concept of who he once was, and is now a vicious tool in the employ of Ozymandias. If lynched he may take a villager of his choice with him to the grave.

Janey Slater - First wife of Dr. Jonathan Osterman, before the accident that turned him into Dr. Manhattan. Exposure to Jon after his transformation has possibly led to the cancer that now ravages her body. Between the cancer and Dr. Manhattan leaving her for a younger woman, she has been driven to Ozymandias' side. She may scan for Dr. Manhattan each night. May also have a hidden power.

Hooded Justice - Cultist. Counts as a villager, and cannot be converted, but has grown apart from the goals of the Minutemen after being singled out for illicit activity. Wins with the wolves, but cannot communicate with them. If scanned by Rorschach, he appears to be good.

[The Jackal]

Signups:

I. jeff061 - killed night 5 - Daniel Dreiberg (Nite Owl II)
II. Autumn - lynched day 1 - vanilla villager
III. DaddyTorgo - lynched day 3 - vanilla villager
IV. PackerFanatic - disappeared day 5 - Dr. Manhattan
V. saldana - lynched day 4 - Edgar William Jacobi (Moloch the Mystic)
VI. Darth Vilus - killed night 5 - Laurie Juspeczyk (Silk Spectre II)
VII. Lathum - killed night 2 - Edward Blake (The Comedian)
VIII. Danny
IX. EagleFan - lynched day 5 - Nelson Gardner (Captain Metropolis)
X. hoopsguy
XI. ntndeacon - lynched day 2 - Hooded Justice
XII. Chief Rum
XIII. J23
XIV. Thomkal - killed night 1 - Dr. Malcolm Long

[The Jackal]

I'm not positive if I got the game number right, I tried to go off the last numbered one and count, but if someone sees a discrepancy do let me know.

[jeff061]

I am just so damned bored at work..I'm going join in on this one.

Besides, at least I've read the comic for this. The Dune story was cool but it all went way over my head :D. I have a few unread Dune books on my shelf.

[Autumn]

Awesome!

I'm in.

[DaddyTorgo]

IN!

[PackerFanatic]

In

[The Jackal]

Most of the roles are up, I'll probably add in a few more today or over the weekend. Will leave signups open at least through Monday and see how we are. Not all of the roles listed by the end of signups will be in the game, depending on the amount of players and such.

[jeff061]

Dr Manhattan's secret ability will be that he can turn everyone evil, kill them and win the game within 5 seconds.

Kind of unbalanced.

[The Jackal]

That would be a funny day 1. Dr. Manhattan decides he's tired of the game and humanity and destroys everyone. Dr. Manhattan wins!

[saldana]

in...guess i should learn myself up on the Watchmen...was the movie any good?

[saldana]

Jackal, what is the title of the book you refer to in post 1?

[jeff061]

I haven't watch the movie. My understanding that other than one key moment(don't want to spoil) it followed the books almost to close. And was a bit to slow paced because of it. At least that's the complaint's I've heard.

Also. Giant blue dick.

[jeff061]

Amazon.com: Watchmen (9781401219260): Alan Moore, Dave Gibbons: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Watchmen-Alan-Moore/dp/1401219268/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1296234916&sr=8-2)

I am nothing near a comic book fan, but I liked it.

[Darth Vilus]

in

[PackerFanatic]

I really have wanted to see this movie. Maybe this game will be my push toward it finally.

[The Jackal]

I haven't watch the movie. My understanding that other than one key moment(don't want to spoil) it followed the books almost to close. And was a bit to slow paced because of it. At least that's the complaint's I've heard.

Also. Giant blue dick.

Yeah there's one glaring part that they changed, which kind of annoyed me, but the movie was still really good. Lots of complaints about the blue unit, but with today's culture I really don't understand how people can be so uptight. It's definitely on the longer side, but great graphics, good acting, all-around a good flick. As usual, I recommend reading it first, but it's not necessary.

[MartinD]

I would like to play - might even make it past day 1 this time round... :)

[Autumn]

Lots of complaints about the blue unit ... It's definitely on the longer side, but great graphics ...

thanks for this detailed analysis, Jackal.

[jeff061]

thanks for this detailed analysis, Jackal.


Ha, I read it the same way. Had to do a double take.

[The Jackal]

hahaha, wish i could say that was intentional.

[saldana]

I am just so damned bored at work..I'm going join in on this one.

Besides, at least I've read the comic for this. The Dune story was cool but it all went way over my head :D. I have a few unread Dune books on my shelf.

vote Jeff061

[jeff061]

Hey now I have this:
Amazon.com: Dune, 40th Anniversary Edition (Dune Chronicles, Book 1) (9780441013593): Frank Herbert: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Dune-40th-Anniversary-Chronicles-Book/dp/0441013597/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296250809&sr=8-1)

In my hands right now, so surely I bought it with the intention of reading it at some point. I'm sure we can come to a compromise.

I mean look at DT. Huge fan who purposely skipped your game, he's the culprit!

[Lathum]

I turned the movie off 45 minutes into it, was unwatchable.

That being said I'm in for a game

[Lathum]

OK< just read the deadline times.

Will likely be innactive for both. The night DL is when my son goes to bed and the day DL is 6:30 AM FFS.

[The Jackal]

The day DL isn't really important for being active, just when people need to get night orders in by, 'cause that's when I'll generally be active and around a computer.

[The Jackal]

Did you read the book Lathum? Or just try the movie? It's a pretty long, slow endeavor, but does keep to the book really well. I know I enjoyed it a lot but have only watched it all the way through about twice. Same kind of thing I felt about No Country for Old Men.

[Danny]

I enjoyed the movie, but haven't read the book.

Regardless, I am in!

[The Jackal]

Solid list already for a mid-friday post! Let's hope for some more!

[EagleFan]

In, haven't played in a little while. Maybe watching Being Human made me yearn for the taste for villager blood again... I mean made me want to be a villager and catch those pesky wolves... :)

[EagleFan]

Oh... and ...

Let's Go Flyers!!!

:)

[The Jackal]

Oh... and ...

Let's Go Flyers!!!

:)

EF WINS!

[Lathum]

Did you read the book Lathum? Or just try the movie? It's a pretty long, slow endeavor, but does keep to the book really well. I know I enjoyed it a lot but have only watched it all the way through about twice. Same kind of thing I felt about No Country for Old Men.

no

[hoopsguy]

I'll sign up for this one. I'm expecting kind of manic activity - won't be online regularly, but when I am I'll try to be active.

[ntndeacon]

sure this sounds good...in

[The Jackal]

I think that's all the possible roles that will be in the game, though I reserve the right to change that up until the start if I think of something interesting.

If anyone has any questions or if I've not explained something well, please ask.

[Poli]

I like this idea.

[Chief Rum]

I'll join.

[The Jackal]

Going to leave signups open through tomorrow, with a Night Zero tomorrow night so everyone can get accustomed to their roles and their partners in crime, as well as cover any questions. Official day one should start Tuesday morning.

[J23]

I'm in. I should be able to be around for this one.

[Thomkal]

Jackal if you need one more person to make the sides even, then sign me up.

[The Jackal]

Jackal if you need one more person to make the sides even, then sign me up.

Any number of people is fine, play if you want to! Can let me know by tonight.

[Thomkal]

okay just wanted to leave it flexible for you so you didn't have to squeeze me in.

Count me in then :)

[The Jackal]

Fifteen is solid! Maybe a couple more this afternoon/evening! I'll start sending roles tonight, probably between 10-11 EST sometime.

[MartinD]

Sorry, but I'm going to have to withdraw from the game - just won't have enough time over the next week, so won't be able to make anything like an acceptable contribution to the game.

Apologies if this causes any problems.

[Danny]

Boo :(

[The Jackal]

Well, I appreciate that you could acknowledge that pre-game. Hopefully some others step up!

[MartinD]

Well, I appreciate that you could acknowledge that pre-game. Hopefully some others step up!

It's not fair on you or the guys who are playing if I can't make the commitment required to fully participate, so thought that it would be better to get out now rather than possibly cause problems later.

Hope that the game goes well.

[saldana]

Sorry, but I'm going to have to withdraw from the game - just won't have enough time over the next week, so won't be able to make anything like an acceptable contribution to the game.

Apologies if this causes any problems.

not like it matters....you were just gonna get lynched the first day anyway :D ;)

[Darth Vilus]

So when do we get our PMs?

[Darth Vilus]

And do not say once a month :D

[Danny]

I already got mine, wolf checking in.

[Autumn]

Danny must be The Comedian.

[jeff061]

Danny must be The Comedian.

Nice.

[The Jackal]

I'm home so I'll start working on them now. If anyone shows up in the next half hour or so wanting to play you can join!

[The Jackal]

Game will start after I announce all roles have been sent out. Anyone who posts about their role prior to this may be lying!

[Autumn]

lol, everyone who posts after this is guaranteed to be lying!

[The Jackal]

A note that I will add to the rules section: The wolves will know which roles are not in the game, should there be any.

I changed my mind, if anyone saw the original post.

[The Jackal]

Still sending out roles, but there will be NO Night Zero actions. No scans, no NK, nothing. Day one will start tomorrow morning. Please be patient as I finish assigning roles.

[The Jackal]

Also, I've edited some of the role descriptions from the first page in the PM's just for flavor (and pronouns), do not be alarmed. Be assured the vanilla villager PM has not changed at all.

[The Jackal]

September, 1985.

The world is in disarray. Crime runs wild in the streets. The Minutemen, who in the past had been one of the greatest beacons of light against crime have mostly gone their separate ways.

Enter a new, unforeseen threat. The Minutemen are called to a secret base by one of their members, and the world's smartest man, Ozymandias. He has called this meeting because of a rumor that someone is attempting to kill Edward Blake, the Comedian.

When you arrive, the doors are locked, as Ozymandias reveals that the culprits are amongst you. It is up to you to decide who is at fault. If you cannot discover the true threat, no one will be able to.

NIGHT ZERO HAS BEGUN!

DAY ONE WILL BEGIN TOMORROW AT 930 AM EST, NO VOTES WILL COUNT UNTIL THEN.

[Danny]

Considering the number of players in this game, I'd say the most likely scenario is 3 wolves and no cultist with the possibility of 2 wolves and a cultist and 3 wolves and a cultist. I can't imagine there being 4 wolves in a 14 person game.

[jeff061]

Coolness. I am likely going to be away from a PC until tomorrow afternoon. Should be back in plenty of time for the Day 1 fun.

[Lathum]

Vote Danny the wise ass carnivore

[EagleFan]

Checking in

[hoopsguy]

Just in case there was any doubt in a game with rules suggesting all these roles ... there are vanilla villagers. I'm one of them.

Time to find some bad guys.

[saldana]

checking in...does my jeff vote count?

[PackerFanatic]

I refuse to check-in before the official start time.

[The Jackal]

No previous votes have counted. Day 1 has begun!

[PackerFanatic]

YAY! OFFICIAL CHECK-IN!

[Danny]

And with that I am off to work.

[jeff061]

Quick morning check in between meetings. Back in a few hours.

[DaddyTorgo]

Vanilla Villager here.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't think there's any doubt that there are vanilla villagers.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[ntndeacon]

I am here for a bit.

[Thomkal]

Greetings Fellow Minutemen, it brings me much sorrow to see this once honorable organization brought so low. I can only hope we root out the evil amongst us and somehow reclaim some of that honor back.

We must not be too trusting when our fellow members reveal information about themselves or others-the evil amongst us know more about us than we do about them (they know the roles in the game) and there's a chance for deception if the cultist is in the game and a possible attempt at conversion to their side (the description for the cultist seems to hint at this).

I am just a regular member of the Minutemen, not one of our luminaries, so I only have my wits and my strong desire to remove the evil that is rotting away at our core to guide me.

[The Jackal]

(There are no conversions in this game, the Cultist merely wins with the wolves, should he be in the game)

[Lathum]

Vote Danny the wise ass carnivore

[Thomkal]

Thanks for the info Jackal, I was about to ask :)

[Autumn]

Checking in. I'm going to place my vote fairly early today but haven't looked to see where yet.

[Autumn]

Wow, looking over that player list, what a crowd. Most of these guys are going to draw enough attention themselves, through longlasting rivalries, being talkative, being dangerous wolves, etc. I want to see a lot of names out there day one to make sure we throw a wolf into the pile one way or another.

<b>VOTE J23</b>

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE AUTUMN

Simply for being a pain in my ass last game ;)

[Chief Rum]

Checking in. I don't know if hoops is a regular Minuteman or not, but I can confirm they're in the game as well.

[hoopsguy]

I don't think there's any doubt that there are vanilla villagers.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

That's enough to buy a Day 1 revenge vote. I'll change it if there is a compelling reason, but seriously DT?

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Thomkal]

well might as well join the "fun"

VOTE JEFF061

Because I don't think I've played in a game with you yet? So this is my "hello". :) (and apologies if we have played in a game before)

[The Jackal]

hoopsguy - 1 - (DT 74)
Danny - 1 - (Lathum 78)
J23 - 1 - (Autumn 81)
Autumn - 1 - (PF 82)
DT - 1 - (hoops 84)
jeff061 - 1 - (Thomkal 85)

[saldana]

ok, six guys have a vote...so i can either add a 7th, or be the dreaded "first 2nd vote" on someone.

i hate day 1

[jeff061]

Because I don't think I've played in a game with you yet? So this is my "hello". :) (and apologies if we have played in a game before)


Yeah, I haven't played a game in about 2 or 3 years. I'm going to get all discouraged :(.

[jeff061]

I'm going to go ahead and make the dreaded 2nd vote. Adding a 7th is silly.

VOTE HOOPSGUY.

[EagleFan]

vote Danny

Let's make it a two horse race.

[hoopsguy]

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO
VOTE EAGLEFAN

While I don't have a problem with the notion of a two-horse race, I don't think that me + Danny is exactly an ideal two horse race on Day 1. Nor was there anything resembling a reason for putting Danny in there ... not that there has any kind of attempt by anyone to justify the D1 votes. But picking someone to push to the front of the pack has a little more importance, relatively speaking, than the initial vote on someone.

[hoopsguy]

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO
VOTE EAGLEFAN

While I don't have a problem with the notion of a two-horse race, I don't think that me + Danny is exactly an ideal two horse race on Day 1. Nor was there anything resembling a reason for putting Danny in there ... not that there has any kind of attempt by anyone to justify the D1 votes. But picking someone to push to the front of the pack has a little more importance, relatively speaking, than the initial vote on someone.

Actually, to follow proper WW etiquette and put the vote at the end of the post, the last post should have read ...

While I don't have a problem with the notion of a two-horse race, I don't think that me + Danny is exactly an ideal two horse race on Day 1. Nor was there anything resembling a reason for putting Danny in there ... not that there has any kind of attempt by anyone to justify the D1 votes. But picking someone to push to the front of the pack has a little more importance, relatively speaking, than the initial vote on someone.

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO
VOTE EAGLEFAN

[Darth Vilus]

checking in, i should be around most of the day so i'll get my vote in later

[EagleFan]

unvote Danny

vote hoopsguy

[Chief Rum]

I would love to see some consistent tactic for Day One which gives the votes for today some meaning for once. I know there have been efforts toward that (just recently, I think it was EF who had the Day 1 lynch candidate survive, although that's one that can only be used so often).

I'm not a fan of a two horse race alone, because I don't know that it really gives us enough candidates to give us a fair shot at a wolf or of something we can eventually learn from this vote.

If we go with Danny's numbers (3 wolves, 11 villagers), choosing at random, we have a 27% chance of hitting a wolf with the first candidate, and a 49% chance of having a wolf in two candidates selected at random. So picking at random, two candidates are still less than even chances. Plus, the actual percentage will be lower even than that, because three players are actively seeking to stop us from having a wolf in the mix.

If we introduce a third player, there is only a 34% chance of randomly selecting three villagers. Sure, it can still happen, but I like those odds better.

So I am going to attempt to do something useful with my Day 1 vote and push up a third candidate from those already with votes. J23 and jeff061 don't play so often, so that leaves me with Autumn.

VOTE AUTUMN

[Chief Rum]

And while I am typing all that up, EF screws it all up.

[saldana]

not a big fan of the vote for hoops there EF, based on what...the fact that he questioned your motives so you vote him instantly?

vote eaglefan

[The Jackal]

Out until 9 or so most likely

[EagleFan]

not a big fan of the vote for hoops there EF, based on what...the fact that he questioned your motives so you vote him instantly?

vote eaglefan

:(

[ntndeacon]

Looks like we are back to 3 with 2 votes each. I kinda like your argument CR. So I will end up on one of the 3... The back and forth this early makes me think of grasping at straws..so at least for day one that is enough reason to steer clear of the EF Hoops debate... Therefore I am left with only one option...

Vote Autumn

[EagleFan]

hoopsguy - 2 - (DT 74, jeff061 89, EF 94)
Danny - 1 - (Lathum 78)
J23 - 1 - (Autumn 81)
Autumn - 3 - (PF 82, CR 95, ntn 100)
jeff061 - 1 - (Thomkal 85)
EF - 2 - (hoops 91, saldana 97)

[EagleFan]

As of 101:

hoopsguy 3 - DaddyTorgo (74), jeff061 (89), EagleFan (94)
Autumn 3 - PackerFanatic (82), Chief Rum (95), ntndeacon (100)
EagleFan 2 - hoopsguy (91, saldana (97)
Danny 1 - Lathum (78)
J23 1 - Autumn (81)
jeff061 1 - Thomkal (85)

[EagleFan]

Sorry, didn't feel right copying the other post. :)

[Lathum]

well then...

Unvote Danny
Vote Eaglefan

[Danny]

Home from work, catching up

[Danny]

A lot of votes, but very little talk. I guess that's to be expected day 1 with little to go on.

[Danny]

Out of the three candidates, I will not be voting Hoops. While he very well could be a wolf, the %'s are that he's a villager and with little to go on, I don't feel like potentially doing the wolves job for them.

[Danny]

Looks like three no votes so far. Darth, J23 and I.

[DaddyTorgo]

Back from work. Busy day.

I dunno hoops - figured I'd throw a D1 vote on you based on gut I guess...but the %'s are that you're a useful villager, so maybe that's not the best play ever. I also think you've been getting lynched early lately and that's unfortunate.

But it did get people talking and putting up other candidates...

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY

[Danny]

Has J23 even checked in yet?

[Darth Vilus]

Vote Autumn

he had a good run last game

[Danny]

Looks like a definite run off between EF and Autumn. Probably too late to get a third candidate involved (as I said, Im not voting Hoops). Out of the two choices, I feel more comfortable lynching EagleFan at this point.

So for now

Vote EagleFan

I am willing to possibly introduce a different third candidate other than Hoops.

[Danny]

Darth, did you get my FB message about Sunday?

[Autumn]

Since it became Hoops and Danny tied with two each in the lead there's been two votes for me and two votes for EagleFan. That's enough on day one to make me switch to one of them I think.

[Autumn]

dola

oops ignore that for now, I missed a whole page since I last refreshsed.

[Lathum]

Back from work. Busy day.

I dunno hoops - figured I'd throw a D1 vote on you based on gut I guess...but the %'s are that you're a useful villager, so maybe that's not the best play ever. I also think you've been getting lynched early lately and that's unfortunate.

But it did get people talking and putting up other candidates...

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY

Looks like a definite run off between EF and Autumn. Probably too late to get a third candidate involved (as I said, Im not voting Hoops). Out of the two choices, I feel more comfortable lynching EagleFan at this point.



I find this sequense interesting. DT unvotes Hoops to drop him down to 2 votes, then 10 minutes later Danny says it is a definite run off between EF and Autumn, even though Hoops is only one back. I realize Danny said he won't vote Hoops, but interesting that he is trying to pass it off like Hoops isn't a candidate.

[Autumn]

Well, I guess all I had to do was change my numbers - 4 votes for EF, 3 for me since it became 2-2 Hoops, Danny.

While I can understand not wanting a runoff between two of our best villagers day one, you also have to wonder if there isn't more behind this change of village heart.

Unlike Danny I don't think it's too late for another candidate, we still have two hours to go. So I'm switching to him just out of the off chance that people were moving from him for a reason.

<b>UNVOTE J23
VOTE DANNY</b>

[Autumn]

Looks like we are back to 3 with 2 votes each. I kinda like your argument CR. So I will end up on one of the 3... The back and forth this early makes me think of grasping at straws..so at least for day one that is enough reason to steer clear of the EF Hoops debate... Therefore I am left with only one option...

Vote Autumn

This may just be poor reading on my or NTN's part, but I believe we were 2-2-2-2-1-1 at this point with me, Danny, Hoops and EF all having two votes. So either NTN forgot about Danny or ...

[Danny]

Well, I guess all I had to do was change my numbers - 4 votes for EF, 3 for me since it became 2-2 Hoops, Danny.

While I can understand not wanting a runoff between two of our best villagers day one, you also have to wonder if there isn't more behind this change of village heart.

Unlike Danny I don't think it's too late for another candidate, we still have two hours to go. So I'm switching to him just out of the off chance that people were moving from him for a reason.

<b>UNVOTE J23
VOTE DANNY</b>

Ah, I read Jackal's previous post about being back at 6 and I thought that was the deadline. With two hours, we do still have time for another candidate. Though I would prefer that candidate was not me :p

[Danny]

I was actually considering dropping a vote on J23 and putting him as the third candidate.

[Autumn]

Ah, I read Jackal's previous post about being back at 6 and I thought that was the deadline. With two hours, we do still have time for another candidate. Though I would prefer that candidate was not me :p

Well, you can't have everything ... ;-)

[jeff061]

Lot of vote changing on day 1... this normal play these days?

[Thomkal]

Well I don't want to keep my vote on Jeff after finding out he hasn't played in a couple years, that would be pretty rude to vote him off on day 1. :) So in the interest of making this more interesting:

UNVOTE JEFF061
VOTE DANNY

Nothing personal Danny just want to see what kind of action we get late in the day here with three potential candidates.

[Thomkal]

Lot of vote changing on day 1... this normal play these days?

Somewhat jeff-usually we make sure there's not a runaway vote on day 1-keep it close between two or three people so we can use that later on when we know more about the people being voted on.

[EagleFan]

As of 123:

hoopsguy 2 - jeff061 (89), EagleFan (94)
Autumn 4 - PackerFanatic (82), Chief Rum (95), ntndeacon (100), Darth Vilus (111)
EagleFan 4 - hoopsguy (91), saldana (97), Lathum (104), Danny (112)
Danny 2 - Autumn (117), Thomkal (123)
J23 1 - Autumn (81)

[EagleFan]

unvote hoops

vote Danny

[EagleFan]

As of 126:

Autumn 4 - PackerFanatic (82), Chief Rum (95), ntndeacon (100), Darth Vilus (111)
EagleFan 4 - hoopsguy (91), saldana (97), Lathum (104), Danny (112)
Danny 3 - Autumn (117), Thomkal (123), EagleFan (126)
hoopsguy 1 - jeff061 (89)
J23 1 - Autumn (81)

[PackerFanatic]

Day 1 is pretty much a crapshoot to start...but it can be pretty useful in the long run. Hopefully J23 checks in and we can tighten up a few of those straggler votes.

[Autumn]

EF, you've got me on J23 still as well as Danny.

[Autumn]

EF, your voting history suggests you really want either Hoopsguy or Danny to bite it, just so you know.

[EagleFan]

Now for some thoughts, in case I am done tonight.

I know that I am not a wolf. So therefore this is what I have deduced so far (speculation only).

hoops leans towards good or cultist in my eyes. I can't see a wolf making a vote on me like that.

I am seeing some odd Lathum/Danny connection. He uses the pregame comment as justification (references it) but then seems to jump off when Danny got other action and jumped on the person that started that action.

On the bright side there has been movement today which may help find us a wolf.

At least lynching me may help you learn something and won't kill off a role. I'm okay with sacrificing myself for the team if need be. (not an endorsement for getting lynched though ;) ) Obviously my first choice would be that we lynch a wolf.

[EagleFan]

As of 126:

Autumn 4 - PackerFanatic (82), Chief Rum (95), ntndeacon (100), Darth Vilus (111)
EagleFan 4 - hoopsguy (91), saldana (97), Lathum (104), Danny (112)
Danny 3 - Autumn (117), Thomkal (123), EagleFan (126)
hoopsguy 1 - jeff061 (89)

Fixed

[Autumn]

Can you explain what about Hoops' vote makes you feel good about him?

[EagleFan]

EF, your voting history suggests you really want either Hoopsguy or Danny to bite it, just so you know.

Not really. I voted hoops out of perceived self defense. Reading quickly and seeing back to back posts with a vote for me (before reading and seeing that they were both hoops' posts). At that point I waited it out a bit to see what else would happen. Danny/Lathum intrigues me at this point.

I have no feel for you one way or the other yet but finding out about Danny may tell me a little more about a few others.


With that said, I always think that I see more on day one than I actually do.

[EagleFan]

Can you explain what about Hoops' vote makes you feel good about him?

To the best of my memory it has been rare for wolves to be the first to "stir the pot" in the day one voting lately. A wolf would know that I am good and that I tend to be a lightning rod so why bother even trying to stand out; instead wait for someone else to make the case against me and then join in.

[EagleFan]

Looks like the Flyers are starting their post all-star game slump...

Hopefully it only lasts 2 periods...

[The Jackal]

Looks like the Flyers are starting their post all-star game slump...

Hopefully it only lasts 2 periods...

:(

[The Jackal]

Autumn - 4 - (PF 82, CR 95, ntn 100, DV 111)
EF - 4- (hoops 92, saldana 97, Lathum 104, Danny 112)
Danny - 3 - (Autumn 117, Thomkal 123, EF 126)
hoopsguy - 1 - (jeff 89)

not yet voted: J23, DT

[The Jackal]

That look right?

[The Jackal]

No wait, PF has a vote in, hm.

[The Jackal]

Ah, its DT:

Autumn - 4 - (PF 82, CR 95, ntn 100, DV 111)
EF - 4- (hoops 92, saldana 97, Lathum 104, Danny 112)
Danny - 3 - (Autumn 117, Thomkal 123, EF 126)
hoopsguy - 1 - (jeff 89)

yet to vote: J23, DT (though he voted earlier)

[hoopsguy]

This purple font is difficult to read with my Sideline Green skin.

Oh well, I suppose I can tough it out.

[The Jackal]

Sorry hoops, I really picked it at random with no attachment.

[hoopsguy]

Honestly, none of the three leading candidates feels uber-wolfy to me at the moment. I'm glad EF is now discussing his rationale rather than just posting votes ... that kind of thing tends to happen when naturally talkative players pick up some votes.

I'm willing to move the vote, but I need some kind of a reason to do it and that can be hard to come by on Day 1.

Hopefully back for the deadline push after I've got my daughter in bed.

[The Jackal]

How is red for everyone?

[EagleFan]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Not RED!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

Red is fine.

[PackerFanatic]

I like the red - but I don't care either way :)

I have no justification for my vote, although it is the one that CR jumped on to start the run on Autumn, so that could be something to keep an eye on.

[The Jackal]

Red it is! Now decide who to kill! muahaha

[Autumn]

We should all vote for font colors as well.

[DaddyTorgo]

Sweet - so it's up to me to pick between autumn and EF?

Cool.

[PackerFanatic]

Honestly, none of the three leading candidates feels uber-wolfy to me at the moment.

Out of curiosity, is it possible to get an uber-wolfy vibe this early either way? Obviously we want to go after wolves, but we don't know anyone from anyone else at this point in the game.

[DaddyTorgo]

Flipped a virtual Silver Siliqua from Valentinian's reign as Roman Emperor.

VOTE AUTUMN

[Autumn]

Coin flips, that's the way to go.

[DaddyTorgo]

On Day 1, with neither of you having done anything particularly notable...it's as good as any other.

[The Jackal]

Autumn - 5 - (PF 82, CR 95, ntn 100, DV 111, DT 154)
EF - 4- (hoops 92, saldana 97, Lathum 104, Danny 112)
Danny - 3 - (Autumn 117, Thomkal 123, EF 126)
hoopsguy - 1 - (jeff 89)

[Autumn]

Well I think it's pretty clear we have two villagers on the block. Nobody's scrambling to move to Danny or anybody else. I can't really do anything about the vote, EF and I are both elsewhere so we cancel out. I'd urge people to try a third candidate, but only someone who's around.

[EagleFan]

unvote Danny

vote Autumn

[EagleFan]

Sorry Autumn, self preservation in case there is any funny business.

[Autumn]

Good idea, I was surprised you weren't doing that. I'm not going to risk the tie anyway. Better to lose a vanilla villager than risk whatever would have happened.

[The Jackal]

DEADLINE

[The Jackal]

Autumn - 6 - (PF 82, CR 95, ntn 100, DV 111, DT 154, EF 157)
EF - 4- (hoops 92, saldana 97, Lathum 104, Danny 112)
Danny - 2 - (Autumn 117, Thomkal 123)
hoopsguy - 1 - (jeff 89)

[The Jackal]

After a day of accusations and changed minds, the group settles upon Autumn as one of the traitors. The mood is tense and no one seems to be particularly sure of their decision.

In the center of the room where you are all being held, a guillotine has appeared. Autumn is marched up to it, looking solemn. He turns away from you with scorned eyes, and prepares to meet his fate.

Autumn was a vanilla villager!

[The Jackal]

Night Actions due by 930 AM EST.

[Autumn]

You guys suck. Also, Jackal sucks for not giving me a sweet role.

Just kidding, somebody had to go and I guess it's my turn, I've had some good runs of late. Good luck Watchmen!

[The Jackal]

You guys suck. Also, Jackal sucks for not giving me a sweet role.

Just kidding, somebody had to go and I guess it's my turn, I've had some good runs of late. Good luck Watchmen!

Blame random.org :)

[hoopsguy]

So much for the best laid plans .... high winds = nervous kid falling asleep = one hoopsguy late for deadline.

I'm surprised there was no conversation about the tie and what the unknown mechanism might be.

[Darth Vilus]

coulda been worse, so for a day one i'm ok with this outcome

[Autumn]

coulda been worse, so for a day one i'm ok with this outcome

*haunts Darth Vilus*

[Lathum]

I am seeing some odd Lathum/Danny connection. He uses the pregame comment as justification (references it) but then seems to jump off when Danny got other action and jumped on the person that started that action.

.

I voted you because at the time I was the only vote on Danny and the general consensus was to narrow it down to 3 players.

[ntndeacon]

This may just be poor reading on my or NTN's part, but I believe we were 2-2-2-2-1-1 at this point with me, Danny, Hoops and EF all having two votes. So either NTN forgot about Danny or ...

I see that Autumn was the day one lottery "winner" but he made a valid point. so I might as well address it. I started by using the list Jackal made on that page (2) EF voted for then unvoted for Danny. So iwas under the assumption that Danny had only 1 vote when I made my comment and vote.

[Darth Vilus]

*haunts Darth Vilus*

a disembodied spirit is nothing compared to that of the Dark Lord of the Sith

[Schmidty]

Sorry I missed out on this one. I just noticed the PM. I need to put it on popup. Have fun guys!!

[The Jackal]

You gather round, ready to start a new day of discussion and accusations. But someone is missing, and it is Thomkal.

You approach his sleeping chambers and peel back the curtain. Laying on the floor is the head of Rorschach, his mask left intact with his head, but body missing.

But wait.. upon closer examination, there is something.. not quite right about the mask. Lifting it off his face, you realize this is not Rorschach at all, but Dr. Malcolm Long.

Thomkal was Dr. Malcolm Long!

You set about ready to figure out who was behind the attacks. You may not have lost a Minuteman, but he was on the side of good nonetheless, even if he'd gone a bit crazy.

[jeff061]

Thank you :D.

[J23]

Finally checking in. Huge apologies for not being around yesterday. I'm getting caught up atm.

[PackerFanatic]

I suppose if we had to lose a roled villager, that is the one we want to go (sorry Thomkal!)

[jeff061]

I suppose if we had to lose a roled villager, that is the one we want to go (sorry Thomkal!)

Yeah. I haven't played a game with a fee seer(have their been others?). I'd imagine it's hugely disruptive.

[jeff061]

^
Fake Seer. Still injecting coffee this morning.

[saldana]

i agree, if we had to lose someone, the fake seer is always a good one to go...i have always found them to be more confusing than anything.

[Danny]

Running late this morning, not a bad first day though.

[Lathum]

i agree, if we had to lose someone, the fake seer is always a good one to go...i have always found them to be more confusing than anything.

yeah, imo a good outcome

[Thomkal]

Grrrr I guess my strategy didn't work out so well. :( But thankfully I was the fake seer so the damage was not too much. So :Pbbt! to the wolves!

Good luck all.

[Chief Rum]

Re: Thomkal, what's been said, agreed. Hate to lose a villager, but at least he is the unwittingly least helpful.

I am disappointed Autumn was a villager, as I introduced him to the mix. I would understand getting flack for that. I had no real suspicion of Autumn over anyone else, and his choice by me was more a victim of circumstance, where I felt a three way race in the lone run would provide us with more information about yesterday's vote. It would have been nice for Autumn to have been a wolf, but I knew the odds were against it.

Our decision today would appear to be to focus on some of the other top targets from yesterday's vote (Danny, Eaglefan, hoopsguy) or to go in a whole new direction.

If we go with the former, I would lean toward Danny and Eaglefan. hoopsguy isn't giving me too much of a wolf vibe.

But I don't know that Danny or EF are any more wolves than the others.

[saldana]

chief, not trying to point a finger at all, but when does hoops actually give off a wolf vibe.

[jeff061]

All I noticed from hoops was a hard deflection followed by relative silence when he got a second vote cast on him. Successfully taking himself out of the running and any discussion.

But wanting to survive a crapshoot day 1 vote is not limited to wolves.

[Chief Rum]

chief, not trying to point a finger at all, but when does hoops actually give off a wolf vibe.

Heh... I find my reads on him are mixed. You're right, though, that I rarely feel that "HE"S A WOLF" feeling on him. He does well deflecting that.

[J23]

Our decision today would appear to be to focus on some of the other top targets from yesterday's vote (Danny, Eaglefan, hoopsguy) or to go in a whole new direction.

If we go with the former, I would lean toward Danny and Eaglefan. hoopsguy isn't giving me too much of a wolf vibe.

But I don't know that Danny or EF are any more wolves than the others.

From looking at the votes yesterday, it didn't seem that there was a big push to lynch Autumn over the other vote-getters. That makes me think that maybe we were barking up the wrong tree.

I also tried to look at Thomkal's posts to see if there was any reason he was targetted but I didn't really see any hidden messages (though I have been pretty oblivious to these things in the past). I'm guessing that it was just a random hit looking for the seer (and luckily finding the fake one instead of the real one).

[Lathum]

Lathums been really quiet

[Lathum]

WTF guys, pretty quiet

[jeff061]

Yeah, this is not solving my work boredom. Thanksfully working from home today. I'm feeling to green to go all half cocked and I don't have any insight on the personality of players.

[Lathum]

Autumn - 6 - (PF 82, CR 95, ntn 100, DV 111, DT 154, EF 157)
EF - 4- (hoops 92, saldana 97, Lathum 104, Danny 112)
Danny - 2 - (Autumn 117, Thomkal 123)
hoopsguy - 1 - (jeff 89)

OK, so here is the vote from yeasterday. Interesting that we know both Danny voters were villagers.

What that makes me wonder is would presumably 3 wolves split their votes between 2 candidates, one a known villager, or did they spread out more. If they did that makes Jeff a good candidate for a vote.

I think EF is also a good candidate, may give up some insight to the people who voted for him.

Jeff has been away a while, so for now

Vote EF

[jeff061]

Little misleading to look at the final. At the time when I voted there were, I believe 6 people with a single. Didn't want a 7th so put it on Hoops for no particular reason. Everyone switched around afterwards.

I was at the deadline prepared to switch to make sure there was no tie, but otherwise I didn't want to jump around. Which used to be frowned upon later on :D. However it's not lost on me that I stick out a little because I didn't switch like everyone else.

[PackerFanatic]

Something about CR is rubbing me wrong, so I am going to run with it, see what pans out.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[Darth Vilus]

Im running a little late and have to head out to work right now. Sorry but I won't be back before deadline, my job sucks.

Vote ntndeacon

I think there's a wolf somewhere in the Autumn voters, just not sure who. Until i have time to go back and look through the posts I'm going with ntn

[EagleFan]

vote saldana

Though I am still leaning towards Danny/Lathum but want to stir things up a little today with adding a new name to the mix. I would assume that there is at least one wolf on me.

[Chief Rum]

Something about CR is rubbing me wrong, so I am going to run with it, see what pans out.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Well, at least I can argue against that, lol.

[Chief Rum]

I know EF raised some questions with his vote switches, but it's just too bold. He's definitely a question mark, but right now, I find it hard to believe he's a wolf and chooses to do his vote switches. It would be a bold play for a wolf to draw that much attention to himself. He could very well be Ozymandias, the cunning (and maybe the brutal, too), but I need more evidence right now to believe that's the game he's playing.

I think it's an obvious truth that there must be wolves in the Autumn voters, and less obvious, but likely at least one in the EF voters, too. Both DV and EF have merit to what they're saying with their votes.

But just like I'm not ready to vote EF, I'm certainly not ready to follow his lead on a vote, so I am not going with saldana.

DV's choice struck me, because it reminded me of a wolf vibe I got yesterday, when I read ntn's response to my Autumn vote (post #100).


Looks like we are back to 3 with 2 votes each. I kinda like your argument CR. So I will end up on one of the 3... The back and forth this early makes me think of grasping at straws..so at least for day one that is enough reason to steer clear of the EF Hoops debate... Therefore I am left with only one option...

Vote Autumn

His post reminded me of two things. One, that it's the kind of vote a wolf might make, latching onto another's theory to sorta "hide" himself, follow the train as it were. And two, it reminded me of myself when I am a villager who is busy IRL and hasn't been able to read every post beyond skimming.

So ntn could be a wolf or a villager, lol. Yeah, that helps.

In any case, the first possibility is enough to get my vote for now.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[jeff061]

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NTNDeacon - 2
Chief - 1
EagleFan - 1
Saldana 1

I agree with Chief on Eagle and want to start actually creating some candidates. Don't want to pile on or spread everyone out...again. I'm looking at Chief and Saldana. Chief has posting some strategy, which at the very least can be looked back at later on.

For now:
[B]VOTE SALDANA[/B][/FONT]

[jeff061]

Reposted without cruddy formatting, assuming edits are frowned upon?
--------
So we have

NTNDeacon - 2
Chief - 1
EagleFan - 1
Saldana 1

I agree with Chief on Eagle and want to start actually creating some candidates. Don't want to pile on or spread everyone out...again. I'm looking at Chief and Saldana. Chief has posting some strategy, which at the very least can be looked back at later on.

For now:
VOTE SALDANA

[hoopsguy]

Well, I had hoped to be able to participate a lot more today but my kid's daycare called me at 6AM to say they were closed. So I've been locked in with kid duty and that is not ideal for WW play.

[Lathum]

Make sure Jeffs double post is only counted as one vote

[jeff061]

Yeah I agree. I'll edit it out if that's kosher.

I just thought the first one was tough to make out the bold.

[Chief Rum]

Better not edit. The Jackal will figure it out.

[The Jackal]

NO EDITING! (LIGHTNING BOLTS) (MAGIC MISSILES)

(yes I figured it out, thanks, and that color was gross, Lathum)

[The Jackal]

ntn - 2 - (DV 194, CR 197)
saldana - 2 - (EF 195, jeff 199)
EF - 1- (Lathum 191)
CR - 1 - (PF 193)

[Lathum]

I find it interesting EF claims he is curious about me and Danny, yet votes Saldana

[Chief Rum]

Well, I was hoping to see more discussion before I had to leave for the second job (where I have no computer access). I may be able to check in briefly on my phone, but I wouldn't count on it. I guess I will stick with my ntn vote; lots of votes left to be made.

[saldana]

I find it interesting EF claims he is curious about me and Danny, yet votes Saldana

i find it interesting that EF says "there is at least one wolf on me" and i havent voted yet.

I really didnt plan on voting you again today EF, but if you are going to come after me when i am actually looking for somewhere else to go, i dont really have much of a choice...to me it just looks like you are trying to stir crap up

vote EF

[EagleFan]

i find it interesting that EF says "there is at least one wolf on me" and i havent voted yet.

I really didnt plan on voting you again today EF, but if you are going to come after me when i am actually looking for somewhere else to go, i dont really have much of a choice...to me it just looks like you are trying to stir crap up

vote EF

Talking about the day one votes.

Correct, I am trying to stir things up. I even said that when I posted. The best way to get the wolves off guard is to keep them guessing a little. It is also the best way to get some voting history.

[ntndeacon]

Well phooey! The day I can't even look at the web until now is the day iam among the leaders in vote getters. Well I am only going to be on for a small amount of time until after the lynch.

[EagleFan]

With 14 players it's probably in the 11-3 starting range. That means that we are 9-3 now.

Voting me out makes it 7-3 after the night kill (barring a block) which gives us (the village as a whole) two misses to play with.

Just some numbers to think about.

It was villager/villager yesterday with Autumn and myself. This means that either Danny and hoops are questionable (as they were in the early running until thing swung heavily torwards myself and Autumn) or we need to look at the voters who were hiding within the run. They most likley wouldn't want their votes to stand out in the swing and would not try to make a stir with their vote (as they would know that they were lynching a villager either way).

That gives hoops some positive in my opinion as he seemed vocal enough when making his switch over to me (though there is still the cunning trying to get scanned theory to consider).

[EagleFan]

I really didnt plan on voting you again today EF, but if you are going to come after me when i am actually looking for somewhere else to go, i dont really have much of a choice...

Interesting. He is tied with ntn at the top but claims that he has no other choice but to vote for me? If it was a true self defense vote why not vote ntn to put him in the lead ahead of you?

[EagleFan]

dola: that last post is not meant to implicate ntn, just thinking out loud. I have no read on ntn at this point.

[ntndeacon]

Ok It seems very likely that the wolves split their votes up. I am falsely assuming that one in each camp the EF voters and the Autumn ones. (I have no idea where the third could be, so am ignoring it for the moment). So I am gonna vote for one of the folks that voted for EF.

Still Danny and hoops seem to be on the side of light and right. So that leaves either saldana and Lathum. Voting for saldana seems to be like not voting. as I assume that at least at some point a defensive vote back will happen leaving us again tied. So I will go in a new direction. Basically because he is the only other possibility of the EF voters.

Vote Lathum

[Lathum]

leaving work in a few and may not get back on until after deadline, wife is away on business so I am on kid duty.

I really have no defense against NTNs vote, except that I find him introducing a new candidte interesting.

[Danny]

Home from work and catching up. I'm very tired, but will try and post my thoughts while grabbing some food.

[The Jackal]

EF - 2- (Lathum 191, saldana 208)
ntn - 2 - (DV 194, CR 197)
saldana - 2 - (EF 195, jeff 199)
CR - 1 - (PF 193)
Lathum - 1- (ntn 214)

[Danny]

Looking at day 1

Autumn - 6 - (PF 82, CR 95, ntn 100, DV 111, DT 154, EF 157)
EF - 4- (hoops 92, saldana 97, Lathum 104, Danny 112)
Danny - 2 - (Autumn 117, Thomkal 123)
hoopsguy - 1 - (jeff 89)

Not much color so far, but what stands out and has been talked about a bit is the probability that wolves would split their vote. It's interesting to me that the wolves went for a voter of a non main candidate, basically leaving Jeff as the only stray voter alive. This leads me to think there is a good chance Jeff is a villager and that all 3 wolves had their votes on main candidates.

[Danny]

I usually like to consider second voters / those who help set candidates on early days as there is almost always a wolf in there. That said, there was a lot of vote switching, so these results I just posted are probably not valid for that and I'll have to look back.

[Danny]

Looking at the three main candidates before I go back and review. I have mixed thoughts on EagleFan. He is definitely playing out there, but I have seen that from him as a villager and as a wolf.

Ntn is very tough for me to read. I never have a gut on him one way or the other. He did have an early vote yesterday.

Saldana had a fairly early vote from what I remember. I also remember a post he made about specifically not wanting to be the 2nd vote on someone. With how hard I pushed that last game, I could see a wolf being cautious about that. But what he post that publicly as opposed to just avoiding it?

I'm not sure where I am going at this point, but I don't feel strongly against any of the three with two votes.

[jeff061]

It's interesting to me that the wolves went for a voter of a non main candidate

I picked up on this as well, was tucking it away for now.

[jeff061]

Combined with the fact that the only other voter for Danny was dead. 2 people voted for Danny day 1. Both are dead for day 2. Would find it hard to believe the wolves would shine a spotlight like that. But it could be a ploy.

[Danny]

I'm having a tough time deciding between the three candidates and I have a strong read for any of the three, but since EF's pool of voters is smaller and I am one of those four, I think going there gives the best % chance of hitting a wolf.

So Vote Saldana

[Danny]

I'll be away for a bit, but will be back on before deadline.

[J23]

Catching up on the thread to throw down a vote. I won't miss this one!

[Lathum]

popping in real quick, have to ask myself why NTN hasn't changed his vote when he is on the block.

[J23]

As I posted earlier today, I'm thinking it was 2 villagers up for vote yesterday, so I'm giving EF a pass tonight leaving saldana and ntn. Hazarding a guess that at least one wolf was on Autumn, I'm going to go with ntn over saldana tonight.

vote ntn

[EagleFan]

Tempted to switch up but switching to the person that I want to will leave me vulnerable big time.

[jeff061]

So we have a tie now, correct?

NTN and Saldana with 3 apiece?

[EagleFan]

popping in real quick, have to ask myself why NTN hasn't changed his vote when he is on the block.

I find it interesting that both saldana and ntn had a chance to vote the other and neither did.

[hoopsguy]

On for a minute now, but won't be back before deadline. Sorry for being almost completely MIA today and I'll try very hard to rectify that tomorrow if I'm around long enough to do so.

NTN and Saldana tie - I'll go ahead and put a vote on one of them rather than duck it and leave it for others to decide. I'm going to go with Saldana for the vote because I've got a small good vibe from NTN and nothing from Saldana. But if I was around to push candidates I think I would try to engage some of the people in the thread a little bit more before casting a vote.

I'll try to be back before deadline, but I think it is a less than ten percent chance. Kid would have to go to sleep at a record pace, more or less.

[hoopsguy]

Oops, add the vote.

VOTE SALDANA

[Lathum]

vote count?

May try and move off EF if need be

[DaddyTorgo]

I find it interesting that both saldana and ntn had a chance to vote the other and neither did.

I was going to vote for you until you pointed this out.

VOTE SALDANA

[The Jackal]

saldana - 5 - (EF 195, jeff 199, Danny 223, hoops 232, DT 234)
ntn - 3 - (DV 194, CR 197, J23 227)
EF - 2- (Lathum 191, saldana 208)
CR - 1 - (PF 193)
Lathum - 1- (ntn 214)

[PackerFanatic]

No point in having a throw-away vote, might as well try and find a wolf...can we get a current count?

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM

[PackerFanatic]

Good timing, Jackal :)

[PackerFanatic]

Hmm...the seemingly sudden sal run worries me. I want to tighten it up a bit.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Lathum]

unvote EF
Vote Saldana

[The Jackal]

saldana - 6 - (EF 195, jeff 199, Danny 223, hoops 232, DT 234, Lathum 239)
ntn - 4 - (DV 194, CR 197, J23 227, PF 238)
EF - 1- (saldana 208)
Lathum - 1- (ntn 214)

[saldana]

unvote ef
vote ntn

[saldana]

dont really have much to say..love the fact that there is a run on me when i am not here (the only night this week i have my daughters)

[hoopsguy]

Sorry it worked out that way, Saldana. Was definitely not my attention and if you had posted on this earlier in the thread I had missed it.

Have five minutes left to try and assimilate what the movement tonight means in terms of these two candidates. I'm mildly surprised that Lathum swung over to Saldana as (my impression is) he usually gives Saldana the benefit of the doubt for as long as is reasonable.

[Lathum]

Unvote Sal
Vote NTNDeacon

[The Jackal]

DEADLINE

[EagleFan]

WTF? Late switch to a tie?

[The Jackal]

ntn - 6 - (DV 194, CR 197, J23 227, PF 238, saldana 241, Lathum 244)
saldana - 5 - (EF 195, jeff 199, Danny 223, hoops 232, DT 234)
Lathum - 1- (ntn 214)

[PackerFanatic]

Shouldn't we have a tie?

[EagleFan]

oh, nevermind, see sal's switch too.

Interesting...

[Lathum]

WTF? Late switch to a tie?

no, late switch to lynch NTN and not Sal