Werewolf CXVIIIb XTreme - WOLVES WIN

[Danny]

I also find it hard to believe we were wolf-wolf yesterday.

Wolf/wolf isn't that unlikely, but the fact bh threw down vote #2 on Spleen helps his case.

[Autumn]

The village seems to have grown smaller, more quiet as you go to sleep this night. When you open your doors in the morning you hear littel but the birds, and you can see the broken doors of your neighbors who have died. This morning you find one more door broken, Zinto's. It seems the werewolves have grown full, yet their hatred has not waned. You look at each other, knowing one of you committed this crime. But who?

[Danny]

I didn't want to post this before actions were due. But, in the event Zinto is still alive and I am not, I think Zinto has to be the last wolf. With spleen, Packer and I all accusing each other and Zinto being the hunter (which would guarantee a villager win even if the lynch was wrong), there is no chance they leave him alive.

So if Zinto is still alive, I hope the two villagers vote him.

[Danny]

Bah, too quick Autumn. And now my post is meaningless anyway

[PackerFanatic]

Narc was indeed the sorcerer.

[Danny]

Day 1
packerfanatic - spleen1015 (51)
bhlloy - mauboy1 (56), Zinto (78), Chubby (128)
Mauboy1 - JAG (86), PackerFanatic (88), Narcizo (89), bhlloy (129)

For my reference

[Danny]

Day 2

spleen - narcizo (177), bhlloy (192), JAG (279)
bhlloy - packerfan (281), zinto (283), danny (284), spleen (296)

For my reference

[Danny]

Ignore the colors though as things are different now

[spleen1015]

If Packer is really the Priest then bhlloy is a wolf. That means Danny puts the 3rd vote on his fellow wolf when I was in the lead for the lynch and I said I may not be back in time for the lynch. Would you take that chance to hide your vote, thinking bhlloy was safe and I wouldn't be back?

It is really tough to get a read on you Danny just because you didn't vote on Day 1.

[PackerFanatic]

Exactly my thought (re: day 1) spleen - and I am beginning to think that might have been his plan (or it just worked out well for him in that sense)

[Danny]

Alright, due to packer's vote #2 on Mau night 1 and Bhlloy's vote #2 on Spleen day 2. I think the possible wolf combinations are Spleen/Mau and Packer/bhlloy. However, Packer also made the initial vote onto Bh instead of Spleen which makes that unlikely combo as well.

[Danny]

I guess that's not right, it can't be Spleen and Mau since then Packer would be telling the truth and it would have to be bh

[Danny]

Alright, since I think all three possible combinations are unlikely, I am now thinking Narc's reveal was fake and he was actually a wolf which would mean Packer would have to be the other wolf.

[spleen1015]

That missing vote is really telling to me right now. Packer's reveal has seemed to help us a lot. That could be a very good job as a wolf, but I don't think so at this point.

VOTE DANNY

[Danny]

That missing vote is really telling to me right now. Packer's reveal has seemed to help us a lot. That could be a very good job as a wolf, but I don't think so at this point.

VOTE DANNY

Really, it has helped us? How so? It saved Packer's ass, that's for sure

[PackerFanatic]

I stated earlier today (or I suppose yesterday, day 3, now? :) ) that I thought it was between Narc and Danny. I gave Danny the benefit of the doubt since Narc had a little more against him. Turns out I was half right there (him being sorcerer and all). Now looking at votes and such...I have to go with Danny. Believe me or not spleen, but I hope you do for the villages sake.

VOTE DANNY

[PackerFanatic]

Creepy - you voted as I was typing that.

[Danny]

Hmmm, I wonder if it even matters and if Narc was really a wolf and the sorcerer and last wolf are the other two left alive.

[PackerFanatic]

Game would be over then, wouldn't it?

[Danny]

I am pretty sure Narc was a wolf who fake revealed to signal the real sorcerer to vote me.

[spleen1015]

Really, it has helped us? How so? It saved Packer's ass, that's for sure

It ends up identifying a wolf, that's how.

[PackerFanatic]

No point in delaying this. I do not intend on switching.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Danny]

No, the sorc and last wolf would still have to stack their votes.

[PackerFanatic]

No, the sorc and last wolf would still have to stack their votes.

I just noticed that as well. Seems odd if the sorc wins with the wolves that would be the case, but alas.

[Danny]

I am almost positive Narc was a wolf who fake revealed as the sorc. There would be no reason to reveal as the sorc if he really was.

[PackerFanatic]

I am almost positive Narc was a wolf who fake revealed as the sorc. There would be no reason to reveal as the sorc if he really was.

He was the sorc. My scan confirmed that.

[spleen1015]

Stop it Danny. Now you have me thinking, damnit.

[PackerFanatic]

And really, he didn't reveal it. He voted himself and nightfall and just told us before Autumn did. Nothing more was going to happen vote-wise after that.

[spleen1015]

He was the sorc. My scan confirmed that.

Yeah, but if you're his brother wolf, then you can easily lie about it.

[Danny]

He was the sorc. My scan confirmed that.

If Narc was a wolf, you would be his partner, so that means nothing.

[spleen1015]

UNVOTE PACKERFANATIC

[Danny]

You would have to unvote me

[PackerFanatic]

And if Narc was wolf, no way would I push for him so hard on day 3.

[spleen1015]

They both voted mau day 1.

Day 2, they split between me and bhlloy

Day 3, Packer is first vote on Narc and let it ride.

[PackerFanatic]

UNVOTE NIGHTFALL

[Danny]

Right now Packer is the one who seems pretty locked in, and frankly he was super locked in on Narc as well. It seems every one else has been pretty unsure of things as I would expect from a villager

[spleen1015]

You would have to unvote me

Pfft.

UNVOTE DANNY

[Danny]

I just don't see anyway Spleen is a wolf partner bh which it would have to be for Packer to not be lying

[PackerFanatic]

I just can't see spleen voting on his fellow wolf like that yesterday. I KNOW bhlloy was a wolf because I scanned him.

[PackerFanatic]

Exactly - I don't think spleen is the partner either. Which leaves you!

[Danny]

But really, there is actually evidence for us all not being wolves. Bh's voted on Spleen, Packer's vote on BH, and then Narc, my vote on BH. Whoever is the wolf has done a nice job.

[Danny]

Or you, but at least I seem to be considering my options, you have been super locked in

[PackerFanatic]

Whoever is the wolf has done a nice job.

That is definitely true, lol.

[Danny]

And honestly, I have never seen you play this way as a villager

[PackerFanatic]

Or you, but at least I seem to be considering my options, you have been super locked in

Because I have a little more info than you guys too (at least confirmed info) and you guys just have my word to go on - which you don't seem be believing :)

[PackerFanatic]

And honestly, I have never seen you play this way as a villager

This is an odd enough game where normal play kind of goes out the window, honestly.

[spleen1015]

I have no idea. I see you both as wolves depending on the angle.

My gut says Danny because of that missing Day 1 vote. I can't get over that.

VOTE DANNY
VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Danny]

Because I have a little more info than you guys too (at least confirmed info) and you guys just have my word to go on - which you don't seem be believing :)

So right now you want us to believe I (who was around and active) yesterday would not choose to night kill you?

[PackerFanatic]

So right now you want us to believe I (who was around and active) yesterday would not choose to night kill you?

It's either that or spleen cast the deciding vote on his partner last night and then didn't NK me. One of you two didn't NK me - probably to get into this very situation

[Danny]

I have no idea. I see you both as wolves depending on the angle.

My gut says Danny because of that missing Day 1 vote. I can't get over that.

VOTE DANNY
VOTE NIGHTFALL

So Spleen you believe I voted bh over you yesterday? And then chose not to kill packerfanatic in the night?

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Danny]

Are you guys both set on nightfall?

[spleen1015]

So Spleen you believe I voted bh over you yesterday? And then chose not to kill packerfanatic in the night?

Yes, I do.

[spleen1015]

Are you guys both set on nightfall?

Yes.

[Danny]

Packer?

[PackerFanatic]

I don't want to be talked out of this vote, Danny - because when you turn up wolf, I will shoot myself :-P

I know I am the priest, so I am basically the decider here. I went back and look at spleen's posts and votes and I just can't justify a vote on him. He made too many plays against the only known wolf we have gotten.

[PackerFanatic]

So yes, I am set on nightfall.

[Danny]

Alright, well this sucks. Really didn't want to do this as I believe the sorcerer is dead. I am the last wolf. If one of you is the sorcerer, you need to not vote me.

[PackerFanatic]

He is dead - it was Narc.

[spleen1015]

It's done Danny.

[PackerFanatic]

Danny, you played a crazy good game. But you really need to explain your thoughts behind not killing me last night. :)

[Chubby]

game? don't want to post until autumn makes it official

[PackerFanatic]

Danny still needs to vote nightfall to officially end it.

[Autumn]

danny - packerfanatic (516), spleen1015 (547)

nightfall - packerfanatic, spleen1015

Game is still on.

[Danny]

Based on your reactions, I now think Spleen has to be the last wolf.
Vote Spleen

Packer you don't have to believe me, and I expect you not to, but really look back at how day 2 went down

[Danny]

bhlloy with the alright I guess I'll go down if I have to with Spleen as his runoff partner. Mine with a key vote lynching bh when I had many chances to lynch Spleen and make it and almost sure wolf win.

[Danny]

It's done Danny.

Right here. Spleen knows the sorc is dead because he knows you Packer are telling the truth. How would he know and have this reaction unless he was the wolf?

[spleen1015]

Right here. Spleen knows the sorc is dead because he knows you Packer are telling the truth. How would he know and have this reaction unless he was the wolf?

I said that because we both are standing firm and we're ready for the village to win the game.

[Danny]

I am not voting Nightfall, no way I give the game away to the wolves even with almost no chance. So if Packer doesn't change his mind, you guys will have to wait until deadline.

[Danny]

I said that because we both are standing firm and we're ready for the village to win the game.

And as a villager, how could you be so sure Packer was not the sorc? You went from considering different options to locking in on me despite all game saying you felt I was likely a villager

[spleen1015]

And as a villager, how could you be so sure Packer was not the sorc? You went from considering different options to locking in on me despite all game saying you felt I was likely a villager

And today it comes down between Packer and you, who didn't vote on day 1.

I already said I can see either one of you being the wolf, but your missing vote screams wolf to me. Maybe it is an honest mistake, but that missing vote gets in the way a lot.

I think it is lame that you'll take your ball and go home until the deadline, but I can wait until 10pm.

[Danny]

I also find it hard to believe we were wolf-wolf yesterday.

Again, why is this hard to believe. Look back at bh's reaction. You know he was a wolf and yet he has fights not at all to keep himself alive. It makes sense if Spleen was also a wolf.

[Danny]

I already said I can see either one of you being the wolf, but your missing vote screams wolf to me.

Really? You said the exact opposite earlier?

And while it doesn't mean much, I never miss votes as a wolf.

[spleen1015]

Really? You said the exact opposite earlier?

And while it doesn't mean much, I never miss votes as a wolf.

I am referring to the post(547) with my latest vote for you.

You've already admitted to being a wolf in a last ditch effort to find the sorcerer. That didn't work now you'll try anything. The village wins. Good game man. You played very well.

[Danny]

I am referring to the post(547) with my latest vote for you.

You've already admitted to being a wolf in a last ditch effort to find the sorcerer. That didn't work now you'll try anything. The village wins. Good game man. You played very well.

Packer, I hope you're reading along and at least willing to consider that I fake revealed as a wolf to try and help me decide. It was a last ditch effort alright, but not for the wolves.

[Danny]

Spleen, tell me again. Yesterday you were dead set on the two candidates Packer and Narcizo? Why the sudden change of heart?

[spleen1015]

Unfortunately, I have to make the drive home. So, I'll be back later.

Packer, I hope you stick to it man.

[spleen1015]

Spleen, tell me again. Yesterday you were dead set on the two candidates Packer and Narcizo? Why the sudden change of heart?

One more post before I jet.

I already told you man. Trying to decide between the 2 of you, that missing vote makes me believe you're the wolf.

I'll be back later.

[Danny]

Packer, think about this.

If I was a wolf, I would 100% know you were telling the truth. That would mean I would know Narc the sorcerer was dead.

Why would I do what I did if I knew the sorc was dead? My play was clearly of someone who really didn't know.

[Danny]

One more post before I jet.

I already told you man. Trying to decide between the 2 of you, that missing vote makes me believe you're the wolf.

I'll be back later.

So as a villager you would be willing to ignore all of our voting history, post analysis, reveals, opinions of confirmed villager and just base your vote on the fact I didn't vote day 1 which is frankly does not mean anything about me potentially being a wolf or villager.

[Danny]

I look at this a little differently.

I don't think a wolf would be gone for 1.5 days and then show up and say they weren't going to vote for certain candidates. I don't think Danny would make that mistake as a wolf. I'm seeing him as a villager now.

here is a post from Spleen yesterday. Pretty quick how his opinion changes eh?

[Danny]

So he has now admitted that he is basing his vote off of my day 1 no vote and yet that completely contradicts his thoughts from yesterday.

[Danny]

And again Packer, when you get here, look at the difference between yours and Spleen's reactions to my wolf reveal.

[Danny]

unvote packer
Vote bhlloy

This vote right here made it 3-3 Spleen and BH with Spleen still able to switch his vote. No way in hell I make this vote if Bh was my wolf partner when I could have made it 4-2 spleen and guarenteed a wolf win with me and BH and the sorcerer left.

[Danny]

And Packer you stated that I could be doing that to set it up so that for this type of situation? Why on earth would I do that when I could have guaranteed a win by not doing so.

[Danny]

Seriously, Packer, if I was wolf, I would have voted Spleen, night killed you and been guaranteed a win. I'm a better player than to have not done that if I was a wolf.

[Danny]

Packer, your thoughts?

[Danny]

I went back and look at spleen's posts and votes and I just can't justify a vote on him. He made too many plays against the only known wolf we have gotten.

How did Spleen have anything to do with getting bh? If he didn't vote bh at deadline there, he would have died himself.

[PackerFanatic]

Not what I expected to see when I got home. Danny has given me a lot to think about...and will make me kick myself hard if I switch and am wrong for sure, lol.

[Danny]

It's a tough spot for you Packer, you will kick yourself if you end up wrong regardless. All I can ask is you look at the evidence I laid out, compared to what Spleen laid out and then make your best guess.

[Autumn]

PackerFanatic, I'm upset at you breaking Danny's 10xdola streak :-(

[PackerFanatic]

How did Spleen have anything to do with getting bh? If he didn't vote bh at deadline there, he would have died himself.

He did place the first vote on him day 2 (although he was quick to move that vote when Narc came out after him)

[PackerFanatic]

PackerFanatic, I'm upset at you breaking Danny's 10xdola streak :-(

Haha. Sorry?

[Danny]

PackerFanatic, I'm upset at you breaking Danny's 10xdola streak :-(

lol, If he didn't I may have gone for a 20x dola.

[PackerFanatic]

He felt threatened that I was even REMOTELY close to his post count for the game ;)

[Danny]

He did place the first vote on him day 2 (although he was quick to move that vote when Narc came out after him)

Ah, that's true, which would mean the wolves voted each other early on day 2. It's risky there, but I think it's more likely wolves do that early as opposed to near deadline when it would decide a lynch for sure.

[PackerFanatic]

Both votes (bhlloy's on spleen and spleens final vote) can both be seen as self-defense (the last one obviously, bhlloy's a little more subtle)

[PackerFanatic]

And bhlloy's vote on spleen (the 2nd at the time) was early enough where he could have switched it off if need be.

[Danny]

Spleen had to make his deadline switch. If he didn't save himself, it would be pretty obvious he was protecting bhlloy. The early votes are some support for them not being wolf buddies, but again I think my late vote is more powerful than a vote thrown down several hours before deadline.

[Danny]

And regardless of the outcome Packer, I think you have played very well.

[PackerFanatic]

And regardless of the outcome Packer, I think you have played very well.

Quit trying to butter me up :-P

[Danny]

lol, hey couldn't hurt :). I just think it's more likely you stick with voting me and if you do, you shouldn't kick yourself after you see the results.

[PackerFanatic]

You not being around day 1 really messing with looking and votes - plus spleen voted and stuck there day 1. But his post about you being out a day and a half really stuck with me too though...it is unlikely a wolf (and especially you as a wolf) would do that. I'd think you'd at least get a quick drive-by vote in.

[Danny]

Yeah, my missing day one sucks, it always hurts the village when a villager misses the vote and I screwed up there.

[spleen1015]

I've got somethings to do so, I will likely be gone for a while. I don't want to sit here and speak to all of this crap that Danny has brought up. The way the game sits right now, he's dead and the village has won the game. He's doing everything he can to change your mind Packer. He's doing a good job too because you're considering what he's saying. I'm not speaking to all of the crap because he'll just look for more and more reasons to throw more crap my way. So, I'm going to leave it alone after I mention one more thing.

With all of the talk about his missing Day 1 vote, he mentions that the would have voted if he was a wolf. It is my opinion, based on the quoted post(#171) below, that Danny didn't even know the game had started. So, claiming that he would have voted if he was a wolf is bunk to me because he didn't know he was even a wolf until Day 2 to begin with.

So sorry guys, I thought day 1 was going to be tomorrow. I had people over all day and didn't use the computer at all.

I'll be back later.

[Danny]

I've got somethings to do so, I will likely be gone for a while. I don't want to sit here and speak to all of this crap that Danny has brought up. The way the game sits right now, he's dead and the village has won the game. He's doing everything he can to change your mind Packer. He's doing a good job too because you're considering what he's saying. I'm not speaking to all of the crap because he'll just look for more and more reasons to throw more crap my way. So, I'm going to leave it alone after I mention one more thing.

With all of the talk about his missing Day 1 vote, he mentions that the would have voted if he was a wolf. It is my opinion, based on the quoted post(#171) below, that Danny didn't even know the game had started. So, claiming that he would have voted if he was a wolf is bunk to me because he didn't know he was even a wolf until Day 2 to begin with.



I'll be back later.

So looking at voting patterns and objective evidence is all crap? But basing your decision entirely upon me missing day 1 is sound reasoning? Especially when it contradicts your previous statement?

Spleen doesn't want to get into discussing the evidence because he knows he can't win that battle and may screw up.

[Danny]

Is that really what you are sticking with Spleen?

[Danny]

I don't want to focus on meta game, but since you seem to be basing your entire vote off of it, I do get emails on my phone and if I was a wolf, I probably would have been PM spammed enough to cause me to see what was going on.

[Danny]

And that will be my last post regarding missing day 1. Yes, it sucked for the village and I screwed up, but I'd think it would be better to focus on all the other game events and make a decision based on that.

[spleen1015]

Sigh.

I know I had said this before. There are numerous things I can decipher from game event and voting patterns that make me think both of you can be wolves.

You have gotten 0 heat this entire game. You were voted on twice by Narc and both times he switched off of you. Yeah, your name has been mentioned here and there but no real heat.

Call it a hunch, call it a dumbass attack, call it whatever you want. You didn't vote Day 1 and that makes it hard to gauge you. So, if you want to say that is why I am voting for you go ahead.

I don't want to debate with you over every single point because you'll just debate all of them back 4 fold and we're back at square one.

I'm confident you're the wolf. You have my vote and nothing can change that. I hope the same holds for Packer. We'll see at 10.

[Danny]

Sigh.

There are numerous things I can decipher from game event and voting patterns that make me think both of you can be wolves.

I'm confident you're the wolf. You have my vote and nothing can change that. I hope the same holds for Packer. We'll see at 10.

But see, if you were a villager this doesn't add up. You could see us both being wolves, but then you're really only considering voting for me and are confident it's me.

[spleen1015]

It will be awesome if it turns out we're both wrong and Packer is the wolf. :D

[Danny]

lol, yeah :)

[PackerFanatic]

It will be awesome if it turns out we're both wrong and Packer is the wolf. :D

lol

[PackerFanatic]

I am really stuck between a rock and a hard place. I can see the evidence for both. What it comes down to for me is experience. This is absolutely a play I can see a wolf Danny pulling - he is on the ropes, going to be going down anyway, might as well try one last push. Extend the game until deadline and try and convince me out of what I have been thinking. Granted - looking closer at the moves Spleen made, they really aren't out of the realm of possible wolf moves that would make him look somewhat good later on (the initial vote on bhlloy being the one I am referring to)

[Autumn]

danny - packerfanatic (516), spleen1015 (547)
spleen - danny (565)

nightfall - packerfanatic, spleen1015

[PackerFanatic]

I can't switch. Looking more at day 2, I just find it really hard that spleen and bhlloy would be ballsy enough to throw votes on each other in such a small game with such little room for error. If they did, they then definitely have more balls than I and I give them credit.

Plus, I would much rather look at the end and say that spleen beat me rather than switch off to spleen, be wrong, and have Danny be the one that beat me :-D

[Danny]

Oh well, I think I gave it a good shot for the village. If you're the wolf Packer, real nice game

[Danny]

And some back luck with our seer and priest going down night 1 and 2

[PackerFanatic]

9PM just needs to get here so Danny quits trying to persuade me otherwise...

[Autumn]

The sun sinks slowly toward the horizon.

[Danny]

I think I said everything I could lol, not going to nightfall as that is against my spirit as a villager, but I am not hopeful at this point

[Autumn]

Ever so slowly.

[Danny]

I'm at least happy about the activity today, it wasn't one of those small games that basically has nobody doing anything towards the end.

[Autumn]

I think this might have been the busiest day of all. Well, maybe day one had more volume.

[PackerFanatic]

Hell we got in two days today. It was a fun game either way. Now to see if I kick myself...

[Autumn]

Sinking ...

[mauchow]

OoOooOOOO my ghost says

[Danny]

Well, one of you two will be.

[spleen1015]

It was fun guys, that's for sure.

[Danny]

Deadline, now for my big reveal, I am a villager!

[spleen1015]

Deadline, now for my big reveal, I am a villager!

Yes. Yes you were.

[mauchow]

lol

[PackerFanatic]

Son of a ...

[Autumn]

Danny struggles and fillibusters, asks for a drink of water and stops to tie his shoes, but eventually you drag him to the gallows.

[Autumn]

As PackerFanatic watches with grim satisfaction, Danny is hung by the neck. When Packer turns to leaves he finds a slavering Spleen1015 behind him.

[Autumn]

"Say your prayers, Father."

CHOMP

[Autumn]

THE WOLVES WIN

[Autumn]

LOL, great game guys.

[PackerFanatic]

*vows to never trust spleen again*

[mauchow]

Nice. LOL

Thats too bad, PF.

[PackerFanatic]

Spleen - why didn't you kill me last night?

[mauchow]

So bhlloy was the other wolf.

[Autumn]

Your Roster

spleen1015 - Werewolf
PackerFanatic - Priest
mauboy1 - Villager
Zinto - Hunter
bhlloy - Werewolf
JAG - Villager
Chubby - Seer
Narcizo - Sorceror
Danny - Villager

[PackerFanatic]

Seriously, Danny, you had me SO CLOSE to switching. I just couldn't see how spleen and bhlloy could be so ballsy yesterday. Blargh

[Danny]

I'm happy my vote ended up on the correct person today and I think I gave it a good shot.

[mauchow]

Ah, well, at least I got one wolf right.

[Autumn]

You guys were onto the wolves fairly early, I thought it might be a quick villager win. But their play really threw you guys down a different track.

[mauchow]

Yep, I think if I had to read through all that I would have been itching to switch as well. NOt sure what I would have done in that position.

[Danny]

I understand Packer, you played a fine game, Spleen and Bhlloy did a nice job voting each other that day to build trust.

[spleen1015]

Spleen had to make his deadline switch. If he didn't save himself, it would be pretty obvious he was protecting bhlloy. The early votes are some support for them not being wolf buddies, but again I think my late vote is more powerful than a vote thrown down several hours before deadline.

The bolded part of this quote was right on the money. I was in the thread for about 20 minutes leading up to the deadline and I knew that if I didn't switch to save myself someone would notice it.

[PackerFanatic]

I lied about rather having spleen beat me. I wanted to win, lol.

[mauchow]

I really fucked up the first day - It could have been bhlloy right away.

Sorry guys

[PackerFanatic]

And I was putting far too much stock into that late vote, which is what almost made me switch in the end.

[PackerFanatic]

*sigh* Well done, Spleen. You and bhlloy played that beautifully to throw my ass off.

[PackerFanatic]

So did you believe that I was the priest and want me to find out about bhlloy?

[Autumn]

I thought they had really blundered by not killing of PF. Yet in the end that may have kept them in the game, that really confused you all.

[mauchow]

And me insisting on scanning the night kill on night one would have been an ideal move in hindsight, too.

[bhlloy]

Spleen - why didn't you kill me last night?

We went back and forth on it, but in the end we decided that not killing you would a) cause confusion (which it did) and b) build trust on spleen because of the switch and his votes for me earlier in the game (which it presumably did)

I was so, so close to revealing as seer. I wonder if Narc would have tried to challenge it as the sorcerer or would have let it go... Presumably Chubby was the seer? If so I'm proud of us picking that up and killing him night 1.

[PackerFanatic]

Ugh...this one is really gonna eat at me, lol. That damn day 2 totally threw me for a loop. That and me not dying yesterday.

[Danny]

At least I can say all three of my votes ended up on bad guys.

[Danny]

Ugh...this one is really gonna eat at me, lol. That damn day 2 totally threw me for a loop. That and me not dying yesterday.

I meant it when I said I would have killed you :)

[spleen1015]

Spleen - why didn't you kill me last night?

We believed you that you were the Priest. Before the deadline, bhlloy recommended that I keep you alive if he went down. I don't remember if he said why.

When it came time to make the decision, I wanted to keep you alive because I knew you would scan bhlloy and show he was a wolf. Since I dealt the killing blow, I thought that would help me a lot.

That and what I pointed out in my last reply. I knew someone would see bhlloy as a wolf if I didn't switch to save myself.

When I got heat for not vote switching on Day 1, I had to make sure I played like a villager. Moving to killing bhlloy was a definite villager move in my mind especially when you were going to name him wolf.

[bhlloy]

So did you believe that I was the priest and want me to find out about bhlloy?

Yeah, we had no reason to not believe you about being the priest. I was decently confident the seer was dead after no reveal day 2 in such a short game.

[PackerFanatic]

And me insisting on scanning the night kill would have been an ideal move in hindsight, too.

I truthfully am happier knowing that we got a wolf day 2. I submitted an order right away to always scan the lynch, and I almost switched that for day 3, but I felt knowing the lynch was more important.

[PackerFanatic]

I meant it when I said I would have killed you :)

And that I do believe. I don't know why I didn't believe it enough to move :)

[mauchow]

I truthfully am happier knowing that we got a wolf day 2. I submitted an order right away to always scan the lynch, and I almost switched that for day 3, but I felt knowing the lynch was more important.
I was just meaning on night one. After that would have been more important to go on bhlloy, definitely.

[spleen1015]

The mistake I made was coming after Danny as soon as Day 4 started. I should have let you guys do your thing before committing. Going after Danny got him looking at me really hard.

In Day 3, I just sat back and let you guys guide the action. I wasn't going to push for anything unless someone targeted me.

[PackerFanatic]

I was just meaning on night one. After that would have been more important to go on bhlloy, definitely.

True, then we would have known Chubby was the seer. Although I am not sure if that really would have helped us, to be honest. Especially since a lot of us were fairly convinced you were a wolf, lol.

[bhlloy]

I truthfully am happier knowing that we got a wolf day 2. I submitted an order right away to always scan the lynch, and I almost switched that for day 3, but I felt knowing the lynch was more important.

I agree 100% with this. If you didn't know anything about the lynches, you wouldn't have stood a chance. All finding out about the seer day 1 would have done is taken away the chance of a fake seer reveal, and it didn't even work when Narc tried to make it.

[spleen1015]

bhlloy nailed Chubby as the Seer. That was totally he call.

[mauchow]

The mistake I made was coming after Danny as soon as Day 4 started. I should have let you guys do your thing before committing. Going after Danny got him looking at me really hard.

In Day 3, I just sat back and let you guys guide the action. I wasn't going to push for anything unless someone targeted me.
Go ahead and don't play again for a year. ;)

Join in on Danny's game if you haven't already.

[PackerFanatic]

Spleen - did you and bhlloy plan day 2 from the start then? Looking at those votes is what really threw me - even that early, putting a buddy on the block like (and in bhlloy's case, leaving it there) seemed really ballsy.

[spleen1015]

I knew Narc was the Sorcerer when he fake revealed me as good.

I was going to try and keep him alive in Day 3, but it didn't think I could manage it so I voted for him instead.

[Danny]

I really hope in future games roled villagers stop revealing as "you don't want to lynch me, I have an important role" and then not actually revealing. All it does is signal the wolves to take you out.

[PackerFanatic]

Yes spleen, you must join Danny's game now.

I need day 1 vote anyway ;)

[spleen1015]

Spleen - did you and bhlloy plan day 2 from the start then? Looking at those votes is what really threw me - even that early, putting a buddy on the block like (and in bhlloy's case, leaving it there) seemed really ballsy.

Yes, we decided to throw early votes on each other.

[Danny]

The mistake I made was coming after Danny as soon as Day 4 started. I should have let you guys do your thing before committing. Going after Danny got him looking at me really hard.

In Day 3, I just sat back and let you guys guide the action. I wasn't going to push for anything unless someone targeted me.

It wasn't so bad, what tipped me off was the two reactions to my fake revealing as a wolf.

[spleen1015]

Yes spleen, you must join Danny's game now.

I need day 1 vote anyway ;)

I was going to join, but I will be on vacation starting 6/24 and I won't be worried about WW.

I will join the game after that, maybe.

[Autumn]

The mistake I made was coming after Danny as soon as Day 4 started. I should have let you guys do your thing before committing. Going after Danny got him looking at me really hard.

In Day 3, I just sat back and let you guys guide the action. I wasn't going to push for anything unless someone targeted me.

Yes, I think you came out of the gate a bit hard, though I was surprised Danny didn't jump on that sooner. It's a hard game to play there, if you had sat back and waited, that would have looked bad too. I think you played it very well when you unvoted and seemed indecisive.

Which reminds me, Danny's fake Wolf reveal was a masterful move I think. Spleen had the game locked up at that point. Great job Danny, I was impressed.

[Autumn]

I was going to join, but I will be on vacation starting 6/24 and I won't be worried about WW.

I will join the game after that, maybe.

We'll promise to lynch you before your vacation starts.

[PackerFanatic]

Which reminds me, Danny's fake Wolf reveal was a masterful move I think. Spleen had the game locked up at that point. Great job Danny, I was impressed.

Agreed. I wish I would have been able to follow suit :(

[spleen1015]

It wasn't so bad, what tipped me off was the two reactions to my fake revealing as a wolf.

I wasn't going to react at all. I should have just kept my mouth shut.

That is truly the reason why I didn't want to respond to everything that you were posting. I didn't want you to use any else as ammo.

[PackerFanatic]

We'll promise to lynch you before your vacation starts.

Absolutely, lol.

[Danny]

Yeah Spleen, and I'll give you a character with one hit point

[Autumn]

I want to thank everyone for giving the no-reveal game a try. I knew it had the potential to be frustrating, but I felt like, from my seat, it ended up quite a lot of fun. I think it added a bit of mystery that made for more interesting play down the stretch. And you guys still seemed just as good at finding the wolves.

[Danny]

Thanks Autumn, it would have been epic if the village would have still one after a villager fake revealed as a wolf lol

[PackerFanatic]

I want to thank everyone for giving the no-reveal game a try. I knew it had the potential to be frustrating, but I felt like, from my seat, it ended up quite a lot of fun. I think it added a bit of mystery that made for more interesting play down the stretch. And you guys still seemed just as good at finding the wolves.

I think the only way it works is in a small game like this though. Since a small game is already pretty quick, it adds a little bit of long-game feel to it - and there are less people to get frustrated then :)

[Danny]

Yeah, it was frustrating at times, but I had fun.

[Danny]

I would never want to do a large game like this though.

[Autumn]

I wasn't going to react at all. I should have just kept my mouth shut.

That is truly the reason why I didn't want to respond to everything that you were posting. I didn't want you to use any else as ammo.

But clamming up is just as damning, that's also what Danny would expect from a wolf. You've got to talk just enough and just right in that circumstance. You did just enough.

Unfortunately for Danny while he's capable of such great villager play down the stretch, we all know he's just as smooth as a wolf, so that hinders him. Don't feel bad, PF, you know if Danny had pulled that switch out of you as a wolf you'd be even more peeved. And we know he could have done that.

[Danny]

Though I suppose you could do a role info is given the day after it normally would.

[spleen1015]

I want to thank everyone for giving the no-reveal game a try. I knew it had the potential to be frustrating, but I felt like, from my seat, it ended up quite a lot of fun. I think it added a bit of mystery that made for more interesting play down the stretch. And you guys still seemed just as good at finding the wolves.

I really did have a blast. I decided to stay busy the rest of the night and not sit and watch the thread. If Packer switch and Danny voted Nightfall while I was gone, I was cool with losing. I felt like I outlived the way I played. :)

[PackerFanatic]

Unfortunately for Danny while he's capable of such great villager play down the stretch, we all know he's just as smooth as a wolf, so that hinders him. Don't feel bad, PF, you know if Danny had pulled that switch out of you as a wolf you'd be even more peeved. And we know he could have done that.

Which is the biggest reason why I stayed put. I know Danny's play much more than I know spleen's, which bit me in the ass in the end.

[PackerFanatic]

I do like the fact that we knew all the roles, and we knew they were all in there. We just had no idea who had them. Although honestly, if I were to have been killed day one, the village would stand virtually no shot.

[Autumn]

I would never want to do a large game like this though.

No, I think the way people do it with a long game is have a passive priest role, or two. As long as both priests are in the game, for example, roles are revealed. If one priest dies, you stop finding out about night kills. If both priests are killed you stop finding out about lynches.

So basically it will be a regular game until down the stretch where you stand a good chance of losing that info, but now it's a small game anyway. I think that gives the end game a chance to be more interesting, with room for fake reveals.

[PackerFanatic]

Granted nobody really believed me when I did reveal and those damn wolves kept me alive, so yeah...lol

[PackerFanatic]

No, I think the way people do it with a long game is have a passive priest role, or two. As long as both priests are in the game, for example, roles are revealed. If one priest dies, you stop finding out about night kills. If both priests are killed you stop finding out about lynches.

So basically it will be a regular game until down the stretch where you stand a good chance of losing that info, but now it's a small game anyway. I think that gives the end game a chance to be more interesting, with room for fake reveals.

That would be an intriguing way of handling it. Add in our zombie thing we've been discussing and we've got ourselves a fun little game!

[spleen1015]

No, I think the way people do it with a long game is have a passive priest role, or two. As long as both priests are in the game, for example, roles are revealed. If one priest dies, you stop finding out about night kills. If both priests are killed you stop finding out about lynches.

So basically it will be a regular game until down the stretch where you stand a good chance of losing that info, but now it's a small game anyway. I think that gives the end game a chance to be more interesting, with room for fake reveals.

This is a cool idea.

[Autumn]

I do like the fact that we knew all the roles, and we knew they were all in there. We just had no idea who had them. Although honestly, if I were to have been killed day one, the village would stand virtually no shot.

Yes, that's also part of it - if you play a no-reveal game, all the rules and roles and numbers have to be completely in the open. You can't have any vagueness like we often have.

I think the village would have stood a chance. They didn't even believe you, frankly, so I'm not sure they utilized the priest much at all. You guys are good enough as villagers now to pull off a win even without the reveals, which is impressive.

[Danny]

A game like that could work Autumn, the problem is if the two priests die early the game is basically ruined.

[spleen1015]

Kudos Danny. You almost got Packer to switch. I thought for sure he was going to when I left work to head home. I figured the game would be over when I got back to the thread.

bhlloy deserves a lot of credit too. I think he saw the same Chubby post that made you guys think he was the Seer.

[Danny]

So imagine Hoops and I get the priest roles

[Danny]

You too Spleen, you played a nice game.

[Autumn]

I must admit, I cribbed this rule set completely from Boardgamegeek.com. They have a very large Werewolf community, and a big percentage of their games are no-reveal. This rule set, for example, has been played dozens of times on there so I knew it worked and was balanced. And I knew they played this way, so you guys had to be able to do it.

[Danny]

I spend way too much time on BGG, but have never played werewolf there. I figure I play enough already lol

[Autumn]

A game like that could work Autumn, the problem is if the two priests die early the game is basically ruined.

It certainly would make things hard, but I think you guys are forgetting that it's hard for the wolves too. If the priest is gone they have no idea if the seer has died, or if the bodyguard has, etc. They also can't get any credit for voting each other, yet can still look suspicious for saving someone.

And I mean really, a lot of you guys nailed bhlloy and spleen early just from their posts. Which happens every game, how many times have you nailed me, Danny, or I've nailed JAG? How often do games turn on seer reveals, and how often on gut calls?

Frankly, part of it is I miss the days of real great wolf fake outs, or even villager fake outs. This game where, Narcizo could fake reveal, and even after his death you weren't sure if he was the seer, the sorceror or a wolf, that was great. And yet it didn't stop you from winning.

[Autumn]

I spend way too much time on BGG, but have never played werewolf there. I figure I play enough already lol

Yeah I haven't played there. I started to get into it when we had a dead spell here, but as soon as i did we picked back up. Great ideas for games and mechanics there though. And I drool over their automated system.

[PackerFanatic]

Plus we damn near won with a freakin' fake wolf reveal. I think our player base is good enough for a game like that.

[PackerFanatic]

Automated system?

[Autumn]

Yeah they have a system where the votes are tallied automatically, there are built in chat rooms for wolves, or whoever else, there's a system for putting in your night actions. And even some of the more complex games can build in things like items or rooms.

[PackerFanatic]

OK I see the system you are talking about - and holy crap. That's pretty awesome.

[Autumn]

Plus we damn near won with a freakin' fake wolf reveal. I think our player base is good enough for a game like that.

I do too. Man, I wish I thought of things like that fake reveal when I'm playing. When I'm reading along it all makes sense to me but at the time I never come up with such clear thinking. I remember a great move Lathum made in one game, pretending he was voting one way just to lure out a wolf into joining him and then switching back. Brilliant stuff.

[spleen1015]

We were planning a fake Seer reveal on Day 2, but a good opportunity never presented itself.

I was planning to use Chubby as the Night 0 scan and Danny as Night 1. I figured it would be very believable that I was Seer by picking Danny since he didn't vote Day 1.

[spleen1015]

Did the spectator thread on JAGs board ever get any play?

[Zinto]

Well Jag and I sniped out Spleen as the last wolf as the day began but honestly once Danny fake revealed as a wolf I thought he had to be a wolf. I am kicking myself for revealing on day three though I am not sure how much it would have mattered.

[Zinto]

I am not sure if we are allowed to post inbetween the half an hour time period or I was going to make a case for Danny being a villager. I thought it was not fair and I did not want to be wrong so I did not do so.

[spleen1015]

Well Jag and I sniped out Spleen as the last wolf as the day began but honestly once Danny fake revealed as a wolf I thought he had to be a wolf. I am kicking myself for revealing on day three though I am not sure how much it would have mattered.

It definitely made the NK easier.

I think I would have taken PF out if I didn't know.

[spleen1015]

I think you're allowed to post as long as you're officially alive.

[Zinto]

Great job Bhlloy and Spleen you guys did a great job. Danny I loved your fake wolf reveal even though it was a little too ballsy for my taste. Packer good try you were stuck in the worst position.

[Danny]

Btw for smaller groups, you guys should check out the resistance, it's incredibly fun and werewolf like. Darth and I played 5 games on Tuesday with 6 total people and even with 6 it was a blast to play.

[Danny]

I am not sure if we are allowed to post inbetween the half an hour time period or I was going to make a case for Danny being a villager. I thought it was not fair and I did not want to be wrong so I did not do so.

Awww man :D

[Autumn]

I think you're allowed to post as long as you're officially alive.

Yeah until you're posted to be dead you can talk. Narc just freaked you out by saying you were going to die. But he didn't know crap ;-)

I thought Narc should have fake revealed earlier, maybe countering PF. But basically I'm just dying to play the Sorceror role sometime, it's so fun.

[Zinto]

I actually really enjoyed this game Autumn and I appreciate you running it. The no reveal while sort of frustating added a pretty cool wrinkle to the game.

[Danny]

Autumn, I must be missing something, but where do I see the automated system on BGG?

[Autumn]

We were planning a fake Seer reveal on Day 2, but a good opportunity never presented itself.

I was planning to use Chubby as the Night 0 scan and Danny as Night 1. I figured it would be very believable that I was Seer by picking Danny since he didn't vote Day 1.

I think a great move in a game like this would be to fake reveal as a seer and then have the other wolf night kill you, but keep the real seer alive ;-)

[Danny]

Now that would be ballsy

[Zinto]

Yeah until you're posted to be dead you can talk. Narc just freaked you out by saying you were going to die. But he didn't know crap ;-)

I thought Narc should have fake revealed earlier, maybe countering PF. But basically I'm just dying to play the Sorceror role sometime, it's so fun.


Yep Narc did a good job at getting me to keep my mouth shut.

[Autumn]

Autumn, I must be missing something, but where do I see the automated system on BGG?

It's called Cassandra, I think, and they use it in most of the games. when you sign up for a game you sign up on Cassandra and it does all the behind the scenes stuff. Basically if you look in the games you'll see the vote tallies are posted by it.

Ah here is the link BGG Werewolf Stats (http://www.thecassandraproject.org/jeremy/werewolf/)

[Danny]

Ah, that's cool

[JAG]

First off, fun game, thanks Autumn. I actually think this is a great format for a small game than revealing roles on death as there's a lot more intrigue, thinking of different scenarios, and chances for bold opportunities to succeed, as spleen and bhlloy accomplished.

Nice job wolves, you completely confused me as to what happened with the NK and such. As D3 began, I was highly certain PF was lying, that there was no way they'd leave him alive to reveal bhlloy as wolf, especially with me as the NK since I was the one defending bhlloy most. I'm not sure that was the optimal way through the woods D2 (if Zinto doesn't reveal and you pick the wrong target for the NK, with three players left the remaining villager has a humorous opportunity to pull off the win by self-voting and leaving the hunter with the wolf...though I think Zinto was the likely NK target anyway being that you wouldn't kill PF with the hunter potentially at large).

Danny, interesting move at the end. In my reasoning at the beginning of D3, I basically determined it wasn't possible that both Narcizo and PF were lying if no one else came out and disputed a role...otherwise you'd have to believe bhlloy, mau, and I went down without providing any info (if I had been seer, I would've revealed my info at the N2 deadline in case I was NK'ed). So I thought you'd realize PF had to be telling the truth and then you wouldn't have to fake reveal as a wolf as you did, which probably made it tougher to trust PF. You did really well with your explanation though. Tough deal at the end for PF, those 50-50 shots don't usually seem to go for the villager. Overall, not a bad performance for the village considering we lost the seer N1.

[Danny]

It was pretty easy for you to know both Narcizo and Packer weren't lying since you knew you didn't have a role. I wasn't sure as I thought it was possible you were the seer and went down thinking you wouldn't be night killed

[JAG]

Well, you know for next time I wouldn't do that. :) I actually outlined exactly what I thought the seer and priest should do at the start of D2, so going by my own logic, you could've assumed I was not the seer unless you thought I was trying to be coy.

[Danny]

Plus i read through day 1 and start of day two very quickly so I over looked that

[Narcizo]

Yeah until you're posted to be dead you can talk. Narc just freaked you out by saying you were going to die. But he didn't know crap ;-)

I thought Narc should have fake revealed earlier, maybe countering PF. But basically I'm just dying to play the Sorceror role sometime, it's so fun.

I was more making sure that the wolf did kill Zinto and I was trying to subtly push the idea that Packer and I were wolves together. At the time I was worried that Danny was the wolf and would think Packer was the sorceror so I wanted to make sure he didn't do anything silly there. :redface:

Might seem fun to you Autumn but you're probably a bolder soul than me. I was paralysed with fear over causing a wolf to die for the first two days. I figured mau was a villager making a mistake on day one so I was happy enough going there. Day two I thought spleen was a villager as I'd pretty much decided either JAG or Packer was a wolf. When he came out and voted against me it kind of made me worried he was a wolf after all but I didn't really know what else to do in the circumstances. I was planning to fake reveal as the priest and say that mau was a wolf on day two, to try and let the wolves know who I was. I'd even typed it all out and everything but I just couldn't bring myself to do it because I didn't want to accidentally incriminate a wolf and I was worried that mau was a wolf and Chubby was the priest.

And yesterday was just a horrible roller-coaster ride of hope, despair and then confusion.

Start of the day I was pretty sure Packer was one of two wolves, I'd say 80%. 10% I thought Packer was a lone wolf and mau or bhlloy had been a wolf. I really couldn't see how Packer could be on the level unless spleen was a wolf and it was wolf-wolf on day two. So basically I wanted to signal to Packer and whoever his team-mate was to vote me and get it over with. On the off chance spleen was the wolf I wanted to let him know who I was so he could back me up if the opportunity arose and I wanted to try to flush out the seer if he was still alive. (I actually figured Danny might be it if he wasn't a wolf-partner with Packer).

Then Packer came onto me full bore without any hint that he had got my message and I got worried. When Danny didn't counter-reveal as a seer I thought I'd really blown it and that Danny was the wolf. That's why I switched to Packer. Had I stayed where I was we might well have won there and then, but I couldn't take the risk. I had it all planned how I was going to vote "no lynch" tomorrow to make sure that the wolf won and no hunter could save the day.

After that I just swung between thinking spleen or Danny was the wolf. Spleen played it smart and voted Packer to start - not Danny. But then I was wondering if Bhlloy was thrown under the bus and Packer left to report it because Danny wanted to get trust that way. By the time everyone had voted nightfall I really had no idea who the wolf was. I'd even started worrying that Packer was the wolf but only in a very paranoid way.

After nightfall I thought for a second that Packer and Danny were the wolves after all and had just strung me along all day. :D Since then I've been certain that Danny is the wolf and I blew it by voting him to start or that spleen was the wolf and Danny would work it out. I would say I was about 50% Danny/40% Spleen/10% Packer. I was unbelievably relieved to see that the wolves had won today but reading through I was still uncertain whether it was spleen or Danny (or Packer) who had pulled it off. When Danny revealed as a wolf I actually thought that he was the wolf and convinced Packer of it and that it was the most incredible bit of wolfish play EVAH! :cool: Great play by Danny there.

And great play by spleen. You played it really well - and I was convinced you were a villager on day two so you pulled that off nicely as well. Bit too nicely really. But if you're a wolf really don't leave your vote out hanging like that on day one.

And yeah I think the no-reveal thing is great for a small game. I think the odds (2 wolves and sorceror) were slightly stacked in the wolf's favour here but then again "we" took out the seer on night one. Without that the seer would probably reveal and the sorceror would have to fake reveal to muddy the waters. So I guess it's pretty even.

[Narcizo]

Oh my God I just saw what I was about to post on day two. Thank God I bottled out. This was when I was pretty sure that Packer or JAG (or both) were wolves.


Okay there's about an hour to go for me so I want to get this out there. I really wanted to hear from Danny before coming out with this because he is very relevant to my thoughts but I don't really have much time left as I'm going soon. We seem to be heading this way anyway so I don't so any reason to hold onto things any longer.

So I'm the priest and, wouldn't you know it? Mau was a wolfy. If you look at the vote table in light of this you get the idea of who my suspects were coming into the day, basically - zinto, spleen, bhlloy or danny. So I decided to engage in a bit of narkle theatre and try to get a gauge on reactions. I couldn't really understand
a) what the hell mau was doing moving from chubby in the first place, or
b) the logic in taking out chubby because it leaves the non-mau voters a bit exposed.

Both initially made me lean towards bhlloy being the other wolf and the whole thing yesterday being an ill-advised bit of wolf-on-wolf action but it looked like he was already going to get heat so I looked at the next suspect - spleen. Suffice to say the (over?)reaction he gave was enough to make me happy with my vote. I'm still not certain spleen (or bhlloy for that matter) is the wolf so I was hoping for some sort of reaction from Danny - but I really don't have time for that. It looked like we were heading down the route of spleen-bhlloy so I could sit on it until tomorrow but then I could be killed in the night and not able to come out with the information.

#33 - 09:54 - mauboy1 votes Chubby(1)
#44 - 10:10 - Narcizo votes PackerFanatic(1)
#45 - 10:10 - PackerFanatic votes JAG(1)
#47 - 10:18 - JAG votes Chubby(2)
#48 - 10:36 - Chubby votes JAG(2)
#51 - 10:46 - spleen1015 votes PackerFanatic(2)
#52 - 11:07 - bhlloy votes Chubby(3)

#56 - 11:30 - mauboy1 - unvote Chubby(2), vote bhlloy(1)
#78 - 13:31 - Zinto votes Bhlloy (2)
#86 - 14:12 - JAG - unvote Chubby (1), vote mau (1)
#88 - 14:19 - Packer - unvote JAG (1), vote mau (2)
#89 - 14:23 - Narcizo - unvote Packer (1),vote mau (3)
#128 - 17:15 - Chubby - unvote JAG (0), vote bhlloy (3)
#129 - 17:16 - Bhlloy - unvote Chubby (0), vote mau (4)

1 PackerFanatic - spleen (51)
3 Bhlloy - mau (56), Zinto (78), Chubby (128)
4 Mau - JAG (86), Packer (88), Narcizo (89), Bhlloy (129)


Wonder what would have happened if I posted that. The wolves would have known I was the sorceror but they would probably have rage-killed me anyway. :cool: On the other hand it might have worked out once Packer counter-revealed. The wolves would be able to side with Packer and kill me leaving two wolves alive on day three. It would probably have made day two as thick with intrigue as day three was anyway.

[Narcizo]

Rereading day one I should have picked up on the fact that both bhlloy and spleen were saying how suspicious they found mau's move but neither were voting for him. I think I actually did notice it and thought I'd be all over it were I a villager at the time but then I forgot it again. :cool:

[Chubby]

We were planning a fake Seer reveal on Day 2, but a good opportunity never presented itself.

I was planning to use Chubby as the Night 0 scan and Danny as Night 1. I figured it would be very believable that I was Seer by picking Danny since he didn't vote Day 1.

I was going to reveal early on day 2 since I had scanned bhlloy night 1 before i got NKd.

It sucked getting 3 early votes on day 1. With only 9 total votes and I didn't anticipate much late voting I really didn't want to get lynched so I tried to drop some subtle hints to get people to move their votes but not put up a neon sign saying "SEER!!!" I didn't see any value to coming out day 1 with "zinto was my night 0 scan as clean" since it could easily be not believe anyways.

[spleen1015]

I was going to reveal early on day 2 since I had scanned bhlloy night 1 before i got NKd.

It sucked getting 3 early votes on day 1. With only 9 total votes and I didn't anticipate much late voting I really didn't want to get lynched so I tried to drop some subtle hints to get people to move their votes but not put up a neon sign saying "SEER!!!" I didn't see any value to coming out day 1 with "zinto was my night 0 scan as clean" since it could easily be not believe anyways.

So, it looks like Chubby getting NKed on Night 1 really saved the game for the wolves. At the very least it kept us on a very good path.

[Thomkal]

It's called Cassandra, I think, and they use it in most of the games. when you sign up for a game you sign up on Cassandra and it does all the behind the scenes stuff. Basically if you look in the games you'll see the vote tallies are posted by it.

Ah here is the link BGG Werewolf Stats (http://www.thecassandraproject.org/jeremy/werewolf/)


Yes yes Cassandra is a fantastic tool for playing Werewolf at BGG-adds so much to the game with individual chat rooms, team chat rooms, mod chat with each player so you don't have to clean out all those messages like you do here....one of you techies need to get on this and see if somehow it can be adapted for use here (or a new one created) :) And there's just a lot of great games there to read and use over here-especially the early ones that have been so popular they have spawned several replays with additional rules/roles,etc.

[Narcizo]

I just get completely bewildered reading most games on BGG - and the default forum skin doesn't help matters. I don't know who anyone is or what the hell they're arguing about half the time.

[PackerFanatic]

....one of you techies need to get on this and see if somehow it can be adapted for use here (or a new one created) :)

That's why I had asked about it, just to get an idea of what it might entail. That is just far too ridiculous for me to attempt alone, for sure :)

[Autumn]

Might seem fun to you Autumn but you're probably a bolder soul than me. I was paralysed with fear over causing a wolf to die for the first two days.

Well there is that. Yeah, when I read that post you sent me you were thinking about revealing, I was like :eek:

I couldn't really say anything back without giving anything away.

But the best part about being sorceror is that getting lynched is a win! So you can go balls out and just see what happens. It is much more fun when you know who the wolves are (I think this game was too small for that, but in a larger game it works). But you did a great job sowing confusion. I thought it was great when Danny started second guessing, figuring you were a wolf pretending to be sorceror.

[JAG]

Voting No Lynch to get around the hunter in a 1-1-1 endgame, that's great. I'll add that to my box of tricks in the event I'm ever anything other than a vanilla villager.

The reason I didn't vote bhlloy D2 is because I figured he was the most obvious scan target and the seer hadn't come out and denounced him. I figured he was a likely villager unless Chubby was the seer. One of the few things I got right this game. :) (other than thinking spleen was a good target at the end of D2).

[spleen1015]

If I get into more games in the future, I hope I am a villager. I think it is hard to play a wolf, at least for me.

[JAG]

bhlloy is the new PurdueBrad btw. I think he was a vanilla villager in the Amazing Race game, but since then has either been roled or a wolf, unless I'm misremembering a game.

[Lathum]

So how did the no role reveals work out?

[Narcizo]

If I get into more games in the future, I hope I am a villager. I think it is hard to play a wolf, at least for me.

Me too. Let me do my early analysis and then kill me off so I can post on Jag's forum. That will do me.

[spleen1015]

So how did the no role reveals work out?

I would say it worked perfectly. :D

[Narcizo]

Wonder what would have happened if I posted that. The wolves would have known I was the sorceror but they would probably have rage-killed me anyway. :cool: On the other hand it might have worked out once Packer counter-revealed. The wolves would be able to side with Packer and kill me leaving two wolves alive on day three. It would probably have made day two as thick with intrigue as day three was anyway.

Actually the more I think about it the more I think that this would have worked. Bhlloy and spleen could have both voted against me and then if anyone was voting Packer they could have switched. Then it would have been 2-1-2 on day three. Except I would have had to be around to move my vote onto Packer.