Werewolf CXVIIIb XTreme - WOLVES WIN

[Autumn]

To fill the time until Danny's game starts, I'm willing to run a small experimental game. The first 9 to sign up will be in and off we'll go.

Good Roles:

Seer - Each night receives a vision of a target player as 'wolf' or 'not wolf.' The seer receives a vision on Night 0 of one randomly chosen player that is 'not wolf.' Thereafter, the seer chooses which player to view.

Priest - Each night receives a vision of a target deceased player. The vision tells the priest that deceased player's exact role. The priest must choose one deceased player to view.

Hunter - If only two players remain in the game and the hunter is one of those players, then the good team wins even if the other player is a werewolf.

3 Villagers - Ordinary villagers with no special powers.


Evil Roles:

2 Werewolves - The werewolves know each other's identity, and may private message/chat without restriction. Each night the wolves choose one target player to kill.

Sorcerer - Each night receives a vision of a target player as 'seer' or 'not seer.' The sorcerer receives a vision on Night 0 of one randomly chosen player that is 'not seer.' Thereafter, the sorcerer chooses which player to view. The sorcerer wins if the wolves win, but counts as a villager for victory purposes.


Victory Conditions:

Good - All good players win if all werewolves are eliminated, or if the last two players remaining are the hunter and one werewolf. The sorcerer does not have to be eliminated in order for Good to win.

Evil - All evil players win if the wolves achieve parity: if at any time the number of wolves remaining equals the number of non-wolves remaining (including the sorcerer), evil wins. However, if one wolf is left with the hunter, then good wins. The sorcerer counts as a 'non-wolf' for these purposes.


DEADLINES

10 pm EST - Voting deadline. Any votes marked 10:01 or later will not count.

10:30 pm EST - Dawn deadline. Any night actions must be submitted by 10:30.

THE BASICS

No editing of posts.

No quoting of private messages.

No discussion of the game outside the thread.

Any player inactive for 48 hours will be replaced.

VOTING

Every day the village votes for who they wish to lynch. The player who receives the most votes by day's end will be killed.

In order to vote, please post your vote in bold and on a separate line.

You may change your vote at any time before the deadline by posting an unvote and then a new vote, both in bold. You may vote No Lynch, and if No Lynch gains the most votes, there will in fact be no lynch. Nightfall votes must be unanimous and will still be dependent on my availability. Tie votes will be resolved by whichever candidate has the longest held vote on them.

REVEAL

Roles will not be revealed upon lynch or upon night kill. Only the Priest will have knowledge about the allegiance or role of any of the dead.

SIGN UPS

spleen1015 - Winner, Winner
PackerFanatic - Eaten Night 4
mauboy1 - lynched Day 1
Zinto - killed Night 3
bhlloy - lynched Day 2
JAG - killed Night 2
Chubby - killed Night 1
Narcizo - lynched Day 3
Danny - lynched Day 4

[spleen1015]

I will play

[PackerFanatic]

I'm in.

[Narcizo]

I'd be interested but only if my time schedule isn't seen as a problem (I think not being around for deadlines is more of a problem in smaller games ). No reveals hasn't been universally popular around here. To put in mildly :) but I'm interested in seeing how it pans out in a small game.

Provisional yes but I'll gladly bow out if someone who can contribute more/will be around for deadline wants in.

[mauchow]

I'm game. I should have good access time on my phone while working.

[Zinto]

I am in

[bhlloy]

I'd like to play a small, back to basics game like this

[The Jackal]

So roles aren't revealed on death. Are allegiances? (not sure if I can play, just wondering)

[Autumn]

In this game, neither roles nor allegiance are given at death.

[Autumn]

If we get three more sign-ups soon I'd be happy to go ahead and just start this one now. If tonight is too early for any of the signed up players let me know.

[Narcizo]

I've been thinking and as much as I'd love playing in a game like this (I've even read WWIII recently which was the same idea but with 5 players) my time schedule makes me think that I'll do more harm then good to whichever team I'm on. So I think it's probably best if I pull out so any possible 10th man won't feel like he's knocking me out of a spot. If you don't get 9 by the end of the night put me back in. (Tonight would probably be too early unless it happens within the next 3 hours).

[JAG]

In

[Autumn]

Need three more, folks. Jump in!

[Chubby]

sure i'll do this.

nothing against danny's game, i just think it's a tad complicated for me right now

[mauchow]

sure i'll do this.

nothing against danny's game, i just think it's a tad complicated for me right now

Join anyway!

[Danny]

And it may seem complicated, but it's really not (at least not to play it). And I'm willing to help people with any questions through PM or in thread.

[The Jackal]

http://www.mushon.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/relationship_its-complicated.png

[Danny]

Autumn, I will play if you really need an extra, but give someone a spot over me as I will be working on my game during this anyway.

[Autumn]

Okay, Danny. If no one else signs up tonight I'll conscript you and Narcizo. But if two other people want those slots, they're open!

[Autumn]

I'm heading off for the night now. When I log in in the morning I will start the game, either with whoever may have signed up over the night, or Danny and Narcizo if you guys are still willing. I'll send out roles in the morning and have first deadline be tomorrow (Tuesday) at 10 p.m. EST.

[Lathum]

In

[Autumn]

With no role reveals ... you sure about this Lathum? ;-)

[Lathum]

With no role reveals ... you sure about this Lathum? ;-)

didn't notice that part, I'm out.

[Narcizo]

I thought you'd like the freedom to fake reveal that a no reveal game would provide. I realise that it would be horrible in a big game but in a small game like this it lets you be really creative.

[Autumn]

Okay, Danny and Narcizo, if you're in I'll start this up this morning. It's fine if you'd rather not, I can keep signups going until it's full.

[Chubby]

Okay, Danny and Narcizo, if you're in I'll start this up this morning. It's fine if you'd rather not, I can keep signups going until it's full.

oh they're in :devil:

[Narcizo]

Okay, Danny and Narcizo, if you're in I'll start this up this morning. It's fine if you'd rather not, I can keep signups going until it's full.

In.

[Autumn]

Roles have been sent, game is on.

Voting deadline is 10:00 p.m. EST.

[JAG]

Alrighty, this game should be worth a chuckle or two. I've never played in a game this small or without roles being revealed upon death. My first observation is vote analysis will be more complicated obviously, but we can assume the night kills are villagers (or the sorcerer if we get lucky I suppose...that's a Q to ask actually).

Autumn:
1. Does the sorcerer know the wolves?

[mauchow]

Checking in! Plain ol villager.

[mauchow]

So lathum is not playing then ?

[Narcizo]

I'm here and like JAG said this isn't going to pan out like a normal game - the no reveal thing is going to see to that. My read is that gut is going to be more important than vote records. Which makes makes me think that I'm not going to do so well.

[mauchow]

vote chubby

I expect this to get me lynched day one now.

[Narcizo]

Autumn:
1. Does the sorcerer know the wolves?

Hope not otherwise the game is skewed right in favour of the wolfies. I don't think sorcerors normally know the wolves but I guess it varies from game to game.

[Chubby]

here. plain old villager again :( I wish I'd get a role even tho i really haven't played much WW in a while

[spleen1015]

Villager checking in.

[JAG]

Oh yeah, welcome spleen. Haven't seen you in a game before.

[spleen1015]

Oh yeah, welcome spleen. Haven't seen you in a game before.

This is maybe my 4th or 5th game. I tend to suck really bad and not want to play again for a year or more. :D

[JAG]

Hope not otherwise the game is skewed right in favour of the wolfies. I don't think sorcerors normally know the wolves but I guess it varies from game to game.

Well, in Autumn's Original WW game, the sorcerer did. It's not spelled out in the rules so I assume not, but it'd be nice to get confirmation.

[Autumn]

Autumn:
1. Does the sorcerer know the wolves?

In this ruleset the sorceror does not know the wolves, and vice versa.

[Narcizo]

I think we might want to discuss the ins and outs of role revealing in this game compared to a "normal" game. I can see a situation where it might be worth a role revealing on day two, depending on circumstances. Unless we lynch a wolf the game could easily be over by the day three lynch so we need to try and get as much information as possible.

[PackerFanatic]

Welcome back, then, spleen :)

Checking in.

[Narcizo]

One role we probably don't want out there is the hunter though. The hunter is much more important in a game like this compared to the usual game. If you read WW3 you'll see the hunter won the game by being the last alive with a wolf. Less chance of that here with more people but still.

[Narcizo]

I'm going to chuck out a pretty random vote and then disappear for three hours. I hope everyone realises that in a game like this it's vital that everyone is active if we're going to have a good chance and talk a lot. I'm going to start with, but I'm hoping there's going to be more to go off of by this evening (my time).

Vote PackerFanatic

[PackerFanatic]

Eeny, meeny, miney, mo...

VOTE JAG

[PackerFanatic]

Gah - damn you Narc! :)

[JAG]

I think we might want to discuss the ins and outs of role revealing in this game compared to a "normal" game. I can see a situation where it might be worth a role revealing on day two, depending on circumstances. Unless we lynch a wolf the game could easily be over by the day three lynch so we need to try and get as much information as possible.

I agree, but I also think this is going to be complicated because it will be more difficult to confirm a role reveal with the lack of reveal on death. Thus it will be easier than normal for a sorcerer / wolf to pull off a fake reveal.

Vote Chubby

No special reason, other than I think we don't want to be overly spread out with our voting.

[Chubby]

I see mauboy wants revenge on me for the batman game but I'm a villager again.

I do agree in not spreading out votes tho and by process of random.org taking into account current votes...

vote JAG

[Autumn]

chubby - mauboy1 (33), JAG (47)
packerfanatic - narcizo (44)
jag - packerfanatic (45), Chubby (48)

[mauchow]

I don't hold grudges my friend. There is a 25% chance you are a wolf or villager since I know I'm a villager.

[spleen1015]

I agree that we shouldn't spread votes around. Just to keep things even.

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

[bhlloy]

Wow... lot of activity early in this one. That's awesome.

Out of the three candidates, I'm most uncertain about those two back to back votes on JAG who is usually a strong villager, but it's day 1. I'll go here for now

Vote Chubby

[Chubby]

Wow... lot of activity early in this one. That's awesome.

Out of the three candidates, I'm most uncertain about those two back to back votes on JAG who is usually a strong villager, but it's day 1. I'll go here for now

Vote Chubby

If you want to see the village win, i'm not the person to vote for.

[bhlloy]

If you want to see the village win, i'm not the person to vote for.

We'll see how the day progresses, it's early. It was a complete toss up between you and PF, I feel slightly worse about a JAG vote right now. But a lot can happen on day 1. I wouldn't get too defensive just yet.

[Chubby]

oh i'm not, but there's only 9 people in this game too.

[mauchow]

unvote chubby

There wont be a runaway on day 1. I'm going with the most recent vote on chubby.

vote bhlloy

[JAG]

unvote chubby

There wont be a runaway on day 1. I'm going with the most recent vote on chubby.

vote bhlloy

Interesting choice of terms since the vote was 3-2-2, hardly a runaway.

[bhlloy]

Yeah that smells very weird, an early early first vote on a candidate and then you change it calling it a runaway when it's nothing of the sort... definitely something to bear in mind.

Let me ask you this... why even bother voting for someone if you want to change it when they are one vote in the lead?

[PackerFanatic]

I didn't really see a runaway either...only 2 people left to vote with 10 hours or so. Seems like a sketchy reason to unvote and throw a 4th candidate out there.

[mauchow]

So used to these ginormous games lately. Just a slight miscalculation. Regardless my vote stands for now. I don't mind making a deciding vote if I have to.

So we are at 2-2-2? And my 1 of course.

[spleen1015]

Here's what I have so far.

33 - mauboy1 votes Chubby
44 - Narcizo votes PackerFanatic
45 - PackerFanatic votes JAG
47 - JAG votes Chubby
48 - Chubby votes JAG
51 - spleen1015 votes PackerFanatic
52 - bhlloy - Chubby
56 - mauboy1 - unvote Chubby, vote bhlloy

2 - Chubby - JAG(47), bhlloy(52)
2 - PackerFanatic - Narcizo(44), spleen1015(51)
2 - JAG - PackerFanatic(45), Chubby(48)
1 - bhlloy - mauboy1(56)

Yet to vote
Zinto
Danny

[JAG]

spleen, if you're going to make nice vote charts like that, you should play more often.

[spleen1015]

spleen, if you're going to make nice vote charts like that, you should play more often.

:D

I thought it was a common thing in these games. Maybe it was back when I played. It has been a long time since I played. Maybe folks stopped doing it.

[mauchow]

If I am reading it right we'll find out who the Lynch is most likely after night 2 and they'll had to choose between the nk and Lynch which would make sense that we scan the Lynch almsot every time. It'd be ballsy for the wolves to off one of themselves to avoid scanning. So that's an unlikely scenario.

Just talking out loud.

[Narcizo]

unvote chubby

There wont be a runaway on day 1. I'm going with the most recent vote on chubby.

vote bhlloy

Strange move mau. 3-2-2 and it's a runaway? Um ... what would constitute not being a runaway? Don't know what to make of it. I'm all for movement on day one but this just likes you looking for an excuse to move off of chubby. Sorceror?

[Narcizo]

If I am reading it right we'll find out who the Lynch is most likely after night 2 and they'll had to choose between the nk and Lynch which would make sense that we scan the Lynch almsot every time. It'd be ballsy for the wolves to off one of themselves to avoid scanning. So that's an unlikely scenario.


If the priest is around after the lynch he should be able to scan the lynch victim and get a read on night one. Whether "we" will find out about it rather depends on the priest.

[JAG]

If I am reading it right we'll find out who the Lynch is most likely after night 2 and they'll had to choose between the nk and Lynch which would make sense that we scan the Lynch almsot every time. It'd be ballsy for the wolves to off one of themselves to avoid scanning. So that's an unlikely scenario.

Just talking out loud.

I had thought the same, that whoever the priest is should be examining the lynch rather than NK almost without exception since we know the NK will be a villager or sorcerer (there's no circumstance a wolf would NK another wolf in this rule set, if it's even an option).

[JAG]

Strange move mau. 3-2-2 and it's a runaway? Um ... what would constitute not being a runaway? Don't know what to make of it. I'm all for movement on day one but this just likes you looking for an excuse to move off of chubby. Sorceror?

Even if he were the sorcerer, he wouldn't know who the wolves are, so that reasoning doesn't make sense.

[Narcizo]

I remember Passa always wanted a game where it was possible for a wolf to kill another team member and for it to make sense. I can maybe stretch to a few ideas to how it might work out for the wolves (using my ultra-paranoid side) but none that make much sense. So, yeah, priest should scan lynched people.

[Narcizo]

Even if he were the sorcerer, he wouldn't know who the wolves are, so that reasoning doesn't make sense.

My take is that the sorceror wants to sew confusion. Vote switching seems a way of doing that.

[PackerFanatic]

In this ruleset, with 2 wolves, they'd be costing themselves the game.

[PackerFanatic]

And really the only time NKing a wolf makes sense is when the role/allegiance is not revealed. Just not when there are only 2 :)

[Chubby]

ahhh just got up from my nap (since tyler my son got up from his nap) and we are off to the gym but I'll be back on later.

[Narcizo]

:D

I thought it was a common thing in these games. Maybe it was back when I played. It has been a long time since I played. Maybe folks stopped doing it.

Add time stamps and a running total of votes per candidate after each vote and I shall never vote for you in a game. :)

[Zinto]

Hello everyone

Seems everyone is in an early voting mood today. It wouldn't of surprised me if the wolves got their votes out there early to try and make some people other then themselves candidates but since everyone was up doing so I guess that point is moot.

[Zinto]

Our Seer and our Priest are our most important pieces this game and it will be interesting to see how much confusion is caused by the zero role reveals.

[spleen1015]

Add time stamps and a running total of votes per candidate after each vote and I shall never vote for you in a game. :)

Deal! :D

33 - 09:54 - mauboy1 votes Chubby(1)
44 - 10:10 - Narcizo votes PackerFanatic(1)
45 - 10:10 - PackerFanatic votes JAG(1)
47 - 10:18 - JAG votes Chubby(2)
48 - 10:36 - Chubby votes JAG(2)
51 - 10:46 - spleen1015 votes PackerFanatic(2)
52 - 11:07 - bhlloy - Chubby(3)
56 - 11:30 - mauboy1 - unvote Chubby(2), vote bhlloy(1)

2 - Chubby - JAG(47), bhlloy(52)
2 - PackerFanatic - Narcizo(44), spleen1015(51)
2 - JAG - PackerFanatic(45), Chubby(48)
1 - bhlloy - mauboy1(56)

Yet to vote
Zinto
Danny

[Zinto]

I guess that I will throw a vote down on Bhlloy to make it even with two votes across the board. Hopefully there will be a lot more discussion and we can whittle it down to two people before the deadline.

Vote Bhlloy

[JAG]

So used to these ginormous games lately. Just a slight miscalculation. Regardless my vote stands for now. I don't mind making a deciding vote if I have to.

So we are at 2-2-2? And my 1 of course.

Can you explain what the miscalculation was?

[bhlloy]

I think we have the most obvious candidate for day 1 not even up there. I just can't get my head around Mauboy at all.

[spleen1015]

I think we have the most obvious candidate for day 1 not even up there. I just can't get my head around Mauboy at all.

It looks suspicious to me too, but it feels too obvious to me. I'm not sure I see a wolf making that move this early, IMO.

[Zinto]

I think we have the most obvious candidate for day 1 not even up there. I just can't get my head around Mauboy at all.


I guess but the only way he would be a wolf making that move is if Chubby is also a wolf and he put an early one on him saw the votes piling up on Chubby and got scared.

[Zinto]

I would like to know what was going through his mind when he made the move and why as Jag said did he think it was a run away on Chubby

[mauchow]

I'm not creating confusion I'm creating conversation in turn creating opportunities to dissect what peoples responses are.

[mauchow]

I didn't want a runaway to happen. Simple as that. If another vote gets put on chubby after bhlloy that would be a pretty good lead with almost half the votes on him early on. I just didn't want an easy spot for a wolf to vote.

Creating a three way or four way tie makes things interesting as we probably have a wolf in the mix right now and this will be good for dissecting in a few days once we get information.

[JAG]

I didn't want a runaway to happen. Simple as that.

But that's a different explanation than you made a simple miscalculation. Also, you could've waited to see what happened with the remaining voting before preemptively preventing a 'runaway' that never materialized. If someone jumped on Chunby, you could move your vote at that time and make it 3-3-2. So your explanation doesn't make sense from a couple different perspectives. That doesn't necessarily make you a wolf / sorcerer, but I'm intrigued enough to put a vote down.

Unvote Chubby
Vote Mau

[PackerFanatic]

And adding a fourth candidate with only 9 players seems like you are trying to spread things out too much.

[PackerFanatic]

Best we have to go off of now.

UNVOTE JAG
VOTE MAUBOY1

[Narcizo]

I didn't want a runaway to happen. Simple as that. If another vote gets put on chubby after bhlloy that would be a pretty good lead with almost half the votes on him early on. I just didn't want an easy spot for a wolf to vote.

Creating a three way or four way tie makes things interesting as we probably have a wolf in the mix right now and this will be good for dissecting in a few days once we get information.

That makes sense but makes me worried that you & someone not in the mix are the wolves. Add Bhlloy to the group and with 4 candidates you make it pretty unlikely anyone else will join in. Casually stating that it will be good for dissection in a few days dings a few bells as well, as in a few days the game could easily be over. Or we might not have much information. With limited information I think I'm going to have to react more to what people are saying and it sounds like you made a mistake and after a bit of thinking came up with a reasonable explanation. Doesn't mean you're a wolf but I don't have much else to go on but it's an indicator.

I propose that we take you at your word about getting a tie but with you in the mix instead. The (slight) irony of this move isn't lost on me but I'm always up for a bit of intrigue. I won't leave my vote there if no-one follows in the next couple of hours but for now;

Unvote PackerFanatic
Vote mauboy

[Narcizo]

:D

[Narcizo]

I really need to learn to write less in my posts.

[PackerFanatic]

I really need to learn to write less in my posts.

lol

[mauchow]

Congrats to jag creating something out of nothing. If and when I live through the day I'll be able to tell you one wolf. I'm not the seer but based on responses from everything today we'll get some good gut reads by me in this game I promise you that.

[Chubby]

lol

+1

[mauchow]

I really need to learn to write less in my posts.

And I need to learn to stop writing. Period.

Every game I'm a villager I say too much on day one and am thrown up for Lynch. This is just another one of those games I see.

Plenty of time for everyone to change minds again though.

[Zinto]

It is easy to make mountains out of mole hills on day one since we have nothing else to go on. It is unfortunate for Mau and just based on that I am not ready to move my vote to him but I can understand why people would vote for him today.

[mauchow]

I would also suggest to revert your votes back to where they were before voting me to recreate the tie. Leave it at the four candidates and see where it takes us. Web gone completely off my plan here. Jerks. LOL.

[mauchow]

Web-we've

[JAG]

Congrats to jag creating something out of nothing. If and when I live through the day I'll be able to tell you one wolf. I'm not the seer but based on responses from everything today we'll get some good gut reads by me in this game I promise you that.

Thank you.

But in all seriousness, this game more than any I've played in, I think we really have to dissect posts because it's going to be difficult if even possible to get much use from voting records. So yeah, it's possible I'm reading too much into what you're saying, but then you should blame yourself for not being clear when each lynch is of vital importance and we need something to guide our votes, especially D1 when we have almost nothing to go on.

[mauchow]

What needs explanation? My miscalculation? Without reviewing the exact vote counts I thought it was worse than it was. And i didn't say there is a runaway I said there wont be a runaway. I was just preventing one which I did. Now there may be a runaway on..too funny.

Keep on talking everyone. I'll find a wolf today.

[Narcizo]

I would also suggest to revert your votes back to where they were before voting me to recreate the tie. Leave it at the four candidates and see where it takes us. Web gone completely off my plan here. Jerks. LOL.

I think the 3-4 candidate is a good one. I would actually like it to see a 2-2-2-2 in the future so Danny can sort it all out when he arrives. :) Don't think I'll be moving my vote though.

You bring up a good point though that we need to be especially wary of people who aren't posting much - if we're relying on gut calls then someone drifting through without saying much is very dangerous to us. I can't really make that sort of call as not everyone can be active when I'm around but people might want to think about it later in the day.

[bhlloy]

Congrats to jag creating something out of nothing. If and when I live through the day I'll be able to tell you one wolf. I'm not the seer but based on responses from everything today we'll get some good gut reads by me in this game I promise you that.

Why don't you tell us now? Or did you just do your passive-aggressive reveal-but-not-really-revealing BS?

[Chubby]

I think the 3-4 candidate is a good one. I would actually like it to see a 2-2-2-2 in the future so Danny can sort it all out when he arrives. :) Don't think I'll be moving my vote though.

You bring up a good point though that we need to be especially wary of people who aren't posting much - if we're relying on gut calls then someone drifting through without saying much is very dangerous to us. I can't really make that sort of call as not everyone can be active when I'm around but people might want to think about it later in the day.

I think there's a difference between people who aren't posting much and people who aren't contributing... see Danny in Batman :)

[JAG]

I also agree with Packer's comment that adding a 4th candidate was not a good strategic move when the wolves are better able to control the vote with a more spread-out vote.

[Chubby]

I also agree with Packer's comment that adding a 4th candidate was not a good strategic move when the wolves are better able to control the vote with a more spread-out vote.

this

[spleen1015]

I just think he's trying to get people to not vote for him by saying he'll have something of value if he lives.

[bhlloy]

I just think he's trying to get people to not vote for him by saying he'll have something of value if he lives.

Exactly. Nothing is more wolfish than trying to suggest that without actually revealing IMO. I'm feeling better and better about him as the day goes on.

[mauchow]

Why don't you tell us now? Or did you just do your passive-aggressive reveal-but-not-really-revealing BS?

I'm a plain villager. All I was saying is I'm going to kick some ass this game with my gut feelings. I've already highlighted lots of posts for myself when I get home later.

No reveals from me this game.

[Chubby]

I'm a plain villager. All I was saying is I'm going to kick some ass this game with my gut feelings. I've already highlighted lots of posts for myself when I get home later.

No reveals from me this game.

Gee I wonder why :p

[Zinto]

I'm a plain villager. All I was saying is I'm going to kick some ass this game with my gut feelings. I've already highlighted lots of posts for myself when I get home later.

No reveals from me this game.


Dang my favorite Mau move is the fake reveal:)

[mauchow]

Jesus another misinterpretation.

Fair enough on the adding forth candidate but I liked the idea because it will cause some last minute moves by people once the score goes 3-2-2-2. The analasys that comes after is what I think would prove to be most valuable.

My biggest problem is that I am typing on a phone and try explaining things in too few words because it takes forever. I can explain things more easily on a computer but... shrug.that's the way it goes sometimes.

[mauchow]

Dang my favorite Mau move is the fake reveal:)

I want to change my Nick in this forum to papparazzi!

[mauchow]

Gee I wonder why :p

Not too difficult to explain that one. Because I'm a villager. No role to reveal.

[mauchow]

Sorry autumn I'm sure I've quoted my pm word for word by now. Villager villager villager. LOL

[JAG]

I'm a plain villager. All I was saying is I'm going to kick some ass this game with my gut feelings. I've already highlighted lots of posts for myself when I get home later.

No reveals from me this game.

Do you think I'm a wolf making a play to try and vote off a villager or a villager making too much out of something that turns out to be nothing?

Just curious, I'm not the only one pointing stuff out and surely if you're a villager it wouldn't be surprising if a wolf was only all too eager to jump on board the train of thought I outlined.

[mauchow]

Do you think I'm a wolf making a play to try and vote off a villager or a villager making too much out of something that turns out to be nothing?

Just curious, I'm not the only one pointing stuff out and surely if you're a villager it wouldn't be surprising if a wolf was only all too eager to jump on board the train of thought I outlined.

At this point going into where I'm at with my thoughts and reads would alter the rest of the day. I'll hold off on saying anything until deadline if I'm getting lynched.

I hope that's good enough for ya.

[Zinto]

At this point going into where I'm at with my thoughts and reads would alter the rest of the day. I'll hold off on saying anything until deadline if I'm getting lynched.

I hope that's good enough for ya.


You are not helping your case to be honest Mau. If you are lynched we will have no idea if you are a wolf or a villager and thus must take your analysis with a grain of salt. Also hurting your analysis will be the fact that if you are a villager it is easy to get knee jerky with your reaction when people vote for you.

[mauchow]

You are not helping your case to be honest Mau. If you are lynched we will have no idea if you are a wolf or a villager and thus must take your analysis with a grain of salt. Also hurting your analysis will be the fact that if you are a villager it is easy to get knee jerky with your reaction when people vote for you.

You will know what I am by tomorrow night if the priest still lives. That's why I don't mind waiting til deadline. Take it with a grain of salt I don't care..it should be because its not solid evidence..just reads. Everyone is acting like I somehow knew all allegiances and revealing that it was me that actually created this game not autumn.

[mauchow]

That last sentence didn't make the greatest sentence but you get the gist of it.

[mauchow]

Sentence-sense...

The phone is not treating me well today.

[Chubby]

You will know what I am by tomorrow night if the priest still lives. That's why I don't mind waiting til deadline. Take it with a grain of salt I don't care..it should be because its not solid evidence..just reads. Everyone is acting like I somehow knew all allegiances and revealing that it was me that actually created this game not autumn.

We will? I don't know if I'm in favor of the priest or seer for that matter revealing tomorrow, I know it was mentioned earlier in the thread and is a discussion for another day but I seriously doubt we will know what you are tomorrow if you are lynched today.

[Chubby]

Sentence-sense...

The phone is not treating me well today.

Did your phone not read the rules last game? :popcorn:

[Autumn]

chubby - bhlloy (52)
packerfanatic - spleen1015 (51)
jag - Chubby (48)
bhlloy - mauboy1 (56), Zinto (78)
Mauboy1 - JAG (86), PackerFanatic (88), Narcizo (89)

[Autumn]

I'm out for a number of hours. Have fun, boys.

[mauchow]

When I get home..rather than waiting til deadline I'll make my thoughts known sooner. It'd be dumb not to let everyone know sooner. Sorry. Like I say give me until I get home

[Narcizo]

We will? I don't know if I'm in favor of the priest or seer for that matter revealing tomorrow, I know it was mentioned earlier in the thread and is a discussion for another day but I seriously doubt we will know what you are tomorrow if you are lynched today.

Unless the person lynched is a wolf. Then I think it's definitely worth the priest revealing.

[Narcizo]

Anyway, got to go. Wish I could be around to see how things pan out. But I can't. Hope to see you tomorrow.

[Chubby]

in an effort to condense the conversation...

unvote JAG
vote bhlloy

[bhlloy]

Didn't want a runaway on Mau, but this is clearly my best option at this point, for self defense and because I think it's the right vote given what has gone down today

Unvote Chubby
Vote Mauboy

[Chubby]

Didn't want a runaway on Mau, but this is clearly my best option at this point, for self defense and because I think it's the right vote given what has gone down today

Unvote Chubby
Vote Mauboy

yeah I'm not against mauboy being lynched either, i just don't think it's beneficial to have straggler votes out there. Hopefully it leads us to conversation that will make it easier to discern if one of you are a wolf

[bhlloy]

I was looking hard at jumping to JAG if you had stayed there, just to get some votes that weren't on Mau, but you forced my hand. And I just can't get over the fact that his play today is completely bizarre.

[Zinto]

Chubby's move makes my life easier since I was coming on to decide if I should move my vote to condense the voting.

[mauchow]

Based on reactions, gut feelings, etc I'm pretty confident that bhlloy is one of the wolves.

My instinct once he voted chubby was not really concerning initially but his responses to me sound wolfish. My vote is staying where it is on bhlloy.

If there is a tie I am going to vote for myself to you guys that I am a villager and so that the priest can scan the night kill instead.

[mauchow]

To prove to everyone. Hating the phone today.

[Chubby]

how are you going to be able to prove to everyone that you are a villager when you are dead?

[JAG]

I was looking hard at jumping to JAG if you had stayed there, just to get some votes that weren't on Mau, but you forced my hand. And I just can't get over the fact that his play today is completely bizarre.

Why me vs. PF?

[bhlloy]

Would have considered PF as well but at this point it's a clear 2 horse race

[JAG]

Based on reactions, gut feelings, etc I'm pretty confident that bhlloy is one of the wolves.

My instinct once he voted chubby was not really concerning initially but his responses to me sound wolfish. My vote is staying where it is on bhlloy.

If there is a tie I am going to vote for myself to you guys that I am a villager and so that the priest can scan the night kill instead.

Did you have any other observations?

[mauchow]

Did you have any other observations?

With bhlloy bringing up my other candidate as a possibility I'm wavering on which of the two has played more like a wolf so far - which is obviously tough to do on day one. But my two candidates were bhlloy and PF.

My mom just showed up at home not long ago so if I can add more soon I will do so.

Voting me out is fine, like I said, to show some sacrifice to the village, I will vote myself in the event of a tie (I will break the tie and kill myself) so that the priest can scan the NK so that we know who died in the NK rather than me, a plain villager.

[JAG]

Based on reactions, gut feelings, etc I'm pretty confident that bhlloy is one of the wolves.

My instinct once he voted chubby was not really concerning initially but his responses to me sound wolfish. My vote is staying where it is on bhlloy.

If there is a tie I am going to vote for myself to you guys that I am a villager and so that the priest can scan the night kill instead.

Do you realize longest-held vote is the tie-breaker? If you think bhlloy is a wolf, why would you vote yourself out instead of him in the event of a tie? It's also unfortunate the player you suggest as a wolf happens to be the closest to you in votes, making your observation seem rather self-serving (even if I don't necessarily disagree with you).

And there is no way scanning the NK instead of the lynch makes sense. Scanning the lynch will give us the most potentially useful voting info, and the most important info of all, whether the player we lynch is a wolf or not (we already know the NK is not).

If you're a villager, you're not advocating good strategy for us. I am not convinced of your wolfishness, but I also don't have a better candidate.

[PackerFanatic]

If you're a villager, you're not advocating good strategy for us. I am not convinced of your wolfishness, but I also don't have a better candidate.

My thoughts of the afternoon summed up perfectly.

[mauchow]

Well, I have a feeling one of you two will be switching because deep down inside you know I'm not a wolf, regardless of my actions. I'm not going to be this active at the beginning as a wolf unless my actions required. I started active in this game and now I'm having to be more active thanks to sticking my foot in my mouth yet again.

[Autumn]

packerfanatic - spleen1015 (51)
bhlloy - mauboy1 (56), Zinto (78), Chubby (128)
Mauboy1 - JAG (86), PackerFanatic (88), Narcizo (89), bhlloy (129)

[mauchow]

YEah, not a whole lot of logic being thrown around by me today, eh? Breaking a tie, etc. Didn't read the tie breaking rules. Anyway.

If I die tonight just remember that I am 100% a villager and a plain one so nothing is lost here.

[mauchow]

And I would still recommend to scan the NK despite what others may think. If you believe me scan the NK if you don't, go ahead and scan me to ensure you know who you lynched.

[mauchow]

If you scan me and find out I'm the plain villager I am the night killed person may not get scanned ever and may actually be a role we'd want to know (seer, sorcerer).

[mauchow]

The more and more I think about it - the night kill should be the scan but again I keep thinking from my perspective so I may not be thinking completely straight. But I just keep going back to that the wolves may get lucky and kill the seer and eventually be able to pull out the seer card and seal the game. I'm obviously not the seer or I would have revealed long ago.

[Zinto]

That would be the only concern. That a role would be killed off and the priest would not know. I think the lynch victim should be scanned but I guess it is up for the Priest to decide.

[mauchow]

gl village

[Autumn]

Deadline

The village decides that Mauboy1 is the one behind the recent savage murders. He is brought to the gallows and lynched. Night falls.

[mauchow]

Great write up.

[mauchow]

The details. Brilliant.

[PackerFanatic]

I have never seen such an anti-climatic lynching - not having allegiances revealed sucks, lol

[Autumn]

This is a needed antidote after the Dark Knight writeups. Be careful or I may not even do writeups!

[spleen1015]

I am surprised by the lack of activity near the deadline.

[PackerFanatic]

This is a needed antidote after the Dark Knight writeups. Be careful or I may not even do writeups!

I wasn't so much ripping the writeup, just the fact that you can't really add much more without giving anything away. Just different :)

[Autumn]

You all wake up in the morning. All of you but one. You are shocked to discover Chubby's door has been broken down and only a few grisly remains are left.

[JAG]

Well, that about takes away any chance Mau was a wolf, as otherwise his D1 vote switch doesn't make a lot of sense. Best we can hope for is he was the sorcerer.

[PackerFanatic]

And leads me to believe he might have been onto something with bhlloy.

[spleen1015]

Well, that about takes away any chance Mau was a wolf, as otherwise his D1 vote switch doesn't make a lot of sense. Best we can hope for is he was the sorcerer.

Agreed and that makes everyone who voted for him a suspect, even you JAG. :D

[JAG]

My two cents on reveals today:

1. I think the priest should probably not come out at this point, except in the unlikely case Mau was a wolf. If he was the sorcerer, a post right at the next nighttime deadline revealing that info would probably be good.

2. I suggest the seer come out if they have a wolf, that's a no-brainer I think. If they can clear 3 people (themselves and their two scans), I think that's pretty strongly worth revealing as well, as we can't afford not to lynch a wolf D1+D2 (unless we lynch the sorcerer, but that's not nearly as good). Clearing two people, could be worth the risk to hold off revealing until right at the nighttime deadline in case they get NK'ed, but it's a tougher judgment call.

[JAG]

Agreed and that makes everyone who voted for him a suspect, even you JAG. :D

Both bhlloy and I are the only two to vote for strongly suspected non-wolves D1, so I would expect some misguided heat today though I think I've been pretty clearly trying to classify people as best I can. Speaking of which...

Can you explain why you kept your vote on a non-candidate rather than choosing between the top two vote getters?

[JAG]

People of interest today:

bhlloy: Only unknown on Chubby after the first seven votes yesterday, unknown on Mau at end of day.
PF: Unknown on Mau at end of day, voted for known villager during first seven votes yesterday.
Zinto: Only unknown on bhlloy at end of vote yesterday (looks better for him if bhlloy is a wolf, worse for him if bhlloy is villager)
Narcizo: Unknown on Mau at end of day.
spleen: Stayed out of showdown yesterday.
Danny: UTR / no-show D1

That should cover everyone. :). Have a good evening.

[spleen1015]

Can you explain why you kept your vote on a non-candidate rather than choosing between the top two vote getters?

With the heavy suspicion on mauboy and with him being the leading vote getter, I didn't see any reason to move my vote. I didn't want to pile on when he was already getting lynched. If the situation had changed at all I would have re-evaluated.

[bhlloy]

Well, that about takes away any chance Mau was a wolf, as otherwise his D1 vote switch doesn't make a lot of sense. Best we can hope for is he was the sorcerer.

I don't necessarily follow this... and I definitely don't follow PF's logic that puts me under more suspicion, as I also made the switch off Chubby onto a second candidate.

If you could both explain for the slow one at the back, I'd appreciate it

[bhlloy]

I do find it very interesting that Mau was pushing so hard for the NK victim to be the priest scan rather than him. I have no idea why he would push so hard for that

[Narcizo]

Meh! I was hoping for a bit more to work with when I came in. Not an awful lot happened after I left yesterday. Ho hum. I think it looks 95% certain that mau was a villager and presumably vanilla. Chubby seems a strange choice for a kill - role hunting seems to be the most likely cause so I'll go back and see if I can see any hint of that. Other than that? :shurg:

[Narcizo]

#33 - 09:54 - mauboy1 votes Chubby(1)
#44 - 10:10 - Narcizo votes PackerFanatic(1)
#45 - 10:10 - PackerFanatic votes JAG(1)
#47 - 10:18 - JAG votes Chubby(2)
#48 - 10:36 - Chubby votes JAG(2)
#51 - 10:46 - spleen1015 votes PackerFanatic(2)
#52 - 11:07 - bhlloy votes Chubby(3)

#56 - 11:30 - mauboy1 - unvote Chubby(2), vote bhlloy(1)
#78 - 13:31 - Zinto votes Bhlloy (2)
#86 - 14:12 - JAG - unvote Chubby (1), vote mau (1)
#88 - 14:19 - Packer - unvote JAG (1), vote mau (2)
#89 - 14:23 - Narcizo - unvote Packer (1), vote mau (3)
#128 - 17:15 - Chubby - unvote JAG (0), vote bhlloy (3)
#129 - 17:16 - Bhlloy - unvote Chubby (0), vote mau (4)

1 PackerFanatic - spleen (51)
3 Bhlloy - mau (56), Zinto (78), Chubby (128)
4 Mau - JAG (86), Packer (88), Narcizo (89), Bhlloy (129)

No vote: Danny

Even my most conspiracy-seeking fanatic side can't see anyway Chubby isn't a villager. I think it's very likely that mau is a villager - the only thing is that he clearly didn't want to be scanned by the priest. So if the priest did scan him (there's no-one else he could have scanned) and he was a wolf then I would say the priest should come right out because I think that that would pretty much blow the whole game open.

[Narcizo]

If mau wasn't a wolf then we have to bag a wolf today or hope that the sorceror is dead/will die, or it's likely game over tomorrow. I don't like it but I think that means we have to hope that Danny is a villager for now. We're coming towards end game so we can't afford to take our chances there with no read on him.

Otherwise:

Narcizo - unknown, switches to likely villager
Packer - unknown, switches to likely villager
JAG - villager, switches to likely villager
spleen - unknown
bhlloy - villager, switches to likely villager
Zinto - unknown

There are a whole bunch of ways to read this. Were JAG or Packer worried to be in the mix and felt that they had a better chance of saving themselves by pushing mau? Possibly. Is someone trying to set Bhlloy or Zinto up? Kind of clumsy but still possible.

My thoughts at the moment (likely to change during the day :) ) is that spleen's throwaway vote smells of a wolf not wanting to commit to giving the coup de grace to a villager (Mau or, presumably, Bhlloy). Why would a villager not want to pile on if he thought mau was a wolf? Doesn't make any sense to me. For now I'm going to go that way.

Vote spleen

[JAG]

I don't necessarily follow this... and I definitely don't follow PF's logic that puts me under more suspicion, as I also made the switch off Chubby onto a second candidate.

If you could both explain for the slow one at the back, I'd appreciate it

If Mau was a wolf, it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to switch off a villager to presumably another villager, especially when the wolves deemed the player he was already voting to be the best option for a NK.

[Danny]

So sorry guys, I thought day 1 was going to be tomorrow. I had people over all day and didn't use the computer at all.

[JAG]

Meh! I was hoping for a bit more to work with when I came in. Not an awful lot happened after I left yesterday. Ho hum. I think it looks 95% certain that mau was a villager and presumably vanilla. Chubby seems a strange choice for a kill - role hunting seems to be the most likely cause so I'll go back and see if I can see any hint of that. Other than that? :shurg:

They were definitely role-hunting, after he picked up vote #3 he said something like, If you want the village to win you shouldn't be voting me.

[Danny]

I'm really tired, but I'll catch up and be active in the afternoon and evening for tomorrow's lynch

[Narcizo]

If Mau was a wolf, it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to switch off a villager to presumably another villager, especially when the wolves deemed the player he was already voting to be the best option for a NK.

At the time I thought a possible explanation might be villager-villager-villager with Bhlloy being another villager and mau a wolf, covering all his bases. That would mean Packer, Chubby and you being villagers and Bhlloy being one as well. Leaving spleen, Zinto or danny as the other wolf. In the cold light of day I've got to admit that looks a bit of a reach.

I also considered sorceror trying to cause confusion but I don't see why mau wouldn't fake reveal if he was the sorceror. He could, at least, try to flush out a role that way. In fact he'd probably do the same were he a wolf, so I think it's pretty likely he was vanilla.

Dunno if they you can make the argument about the switch in terms of the night kill though, as they might not have a read of chubby as having a role until after he switched - or it might have been the other wolf who decided chubby should take the fall.

[Narcizo]

They were definitely role-hunting, after he picked up vote #3 he said something like, If you want the village to win you shouldn't be voting me.

I think "definitely" is an over-statement, I can see other options there but the village better hope that the comment was just a case of chubby over-playing his own importance as a villager, something he also did in the last game.

[Narcizo]

So sorry guys, I thought day 1 was going to be tomorrow. I had people over all day and didn't use the computer at all.

After consideration - why's Danny still alive on day two? We all know what that means.

Unvote spleen
Vote Danny

[Narcizo]

God, I hate being here on my own for most of the day. I thought at least JAG might have said something.

Unvote danny
vote Spleen

[spleen1015]

If mau wasn't a wolf then we have to bag a wolf today or hope that the sorceror is dead/will die, or it's likely game over tomorrow. I don't like it but I think that means we have to hope that Danny is a villager for now. We're coming towards end game so we can't afford to take our chances there with no read on him.

Otherwise:

Narcizo - unknown, switches to likely villager
Packer - unknown, switches to likely villager
JAG - villager, switches to likely villager
spleen - unknown
bhlloy - villager, switches to likely villager
Zinto - unknown

There are a whole bunch of ways to read this. Were JAG or Packer worried to be in the mix and felt that they had a better chance of saving themselves by pushing mau? Possibly. Is someone trying to set Bhlloy or Zinto up? Kind of clumsy but still possible.

My thoughts at the moment (likely to change during the day :) ) is that spleen's throwaway vote smells of a wolf not wanting to commit to giving the coup de grace to a villager (Mau or, presumably, Bhlloy). Why would a villager not want to pile on if he thought mau was a wolf? Doesn't make any sense to me. For now I'm going to go that way.

Vote spleen

I didn't want to pile on because I was afraid that's where attention would be today if mauboy turned out to be a villager, which we don't know for sure yet, might I add.

You guys can lynch me and lose another villager.

Assuming that mauboy was a villager, bhlloy was the first person to accuse him of being a Wolf.

VOTE BHLLOY

[spleen1015]

Dola,

So much for not voting for me Narcizo! :D:D

[JAG]

God, I hate being here on my own for most of the day. I thought at least JAG might have said something.

Unvote danny
vote Spleen

Sorry, I don't have much else I can think of than what I already suggested. The other villagers really need to step up their game for today.

[Narcizo]

I meant about my joke vote on Danny. But I agree quiet village = dead village.

[Narcizo]

Dola,

So much for not voting for me Narcizo! :D:D

Yeah, I noticed that. In my defence you stopped doing it so I had to do it all my own self in the morning.

[Narcizo]

I didn't want to pile on because I was afraid that's where attention would be today if mauboy turned out to be a villager, which we don't know for sure yet, might I add.


Wolves are afraid of attention, villagers are only afraid of attention if it's distracting. The Lord knows that there isn't so much going on here that that's going to be a problem.

I'm still not liking your reason for not moving your vote if you were even 40/60 on mau being a wolf. The vote stands 4-3-1 but bhlloy has the earliest vote. Someone might switch votes up before deadline and it's bhlloy who gets strung up. Or Danny might come in and vote bhlloy and bhlloy is for the chop. Keeping your vote where it was just means you avoid having to commit to the lynch, leaving you free to accuse anyone who voted for one of the candidates.

[spleen1015]

Wolves are afraid of attention, villagers are only afraid of attention if it's distracting. The Lord knows that there isn't so much going on here that that's going to be a problem.

I'm still not liking your reason for not moving your vote if you were even 40/60 on mau being a wolf. The vote stands 4-3-1 but bhlloy has the earliest vote. Someone might switch votes up before deadline and it's bhlloy who gets strung up. Or Danny might come in and vote bhlloy and bhlloy is for the chop. Keeping your vote where it was just means you avoid having to commit to the lynch, leaving you free to accuse anyone who voted for one of the candidates.

Admittedly, I'm not very good at WW. This is why I don't play. :D

I see what you are saying, but I assure your I'm just another villager. Lynching me today puts us too far behind to recover, IMO. It will be 3-2.

Maybe that is what you want? You and JAG seem to be controlling the action, shooting accusations around. It is likely that one or both of you are wolves.

[spleen1015]

If mau wasn't a wolf then we have to bag a wolf today or hope that the sorceror is dead/will die, or it's likely game over tomorrow. I don't like it but I think that means we have to hope that Danny is a villager for now. We're coming towards end game so we can't afford to take our chances there with no read on him.

Otherwise:

Narcizo - unknown, switches to likely villager
Packer - unknown, switches to likely villager
JAG - villager, switches to likely villager
spleen - unknown
bhlloy - villager, switches to likely villager
Zinto - unknown

There are a whole bunch of ways to read this. Were JAG or Packer worried to be in the mix and felt that they had a better chance of saving themselves by pushing mau? Possibly. Is someone trying to set Bhlloy or Zinto up? Kind of clumsy but still possible.

My thoughts at the moment (likely to change during the day :) ) is that spleen's throwaway vote smells of a wolf not wanting to commit to giving the coup de grace to a villager (Mau or, presumably, Bhlloy). Why would a villager not want to pile on if he thought mau was a wolf? Doesn't make any sense to me. For now I'm going to go that way.

Vote spleen

It troubles me that you are saying that all of the folks who voted for mauboy yesterday are likely villagers. What are the odds that none of the 4 are WW? This raises the red flag for me. Combine that with the fact that you've come after me pretty hard today when I know that I am a villager tells me something.

UNVOTE BHLLOY
VOTE NARCIZO

[Narcizo]

I think you might be misunderstanding what I said. I'm saying that those people switched their vote to mau (who is a likely villager in my opinion). I'm honestly confused about how what you quoted can be misinterpreted but so be it.

Should it, against all odds, turn out that mau was a wolf then I do think it's safe to say that people on him, barring bhlloy who didn't really have much choice, are pretty trustworthy.

Saying that JAG and I are controlling the action and shooting off accusations is annoying but I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. You've currently moved from bhlloy being a wolf to JAG and/or me being one. Ho hum.

[spleen1015]

Well, shit. You're right. I did misunderstand what you were saying. I thought you were saying that they were 'switching to likely villager' in your mind.

Yeah, I f*cked that all up.

It doesn't change the fact that I still think you're a wolf based on how you've come ofter me today when in all likelihood there's a wolf in the 4 that voted for mauboy. I'm still suspicious of bhlloy, but my feelings are stronger for you being a wolf. So, I'll keep my vote where it is for the time being.

[PackerFanatic]

At this point, my vote is likely going to be between bhlloy and Spleen. I think we can potentially learn something from bhlloy since that is where most of the other votes were yesterday. Spleen's vote, on the other hand, is glaring to me, and one of those "I am staying out of the way" votes (plus it was on me, and I know I am a villager)

[Narcizo]

It doesn't change the fact that I still think you're a wolf based on how you've come ofter me today when in all likelihood there's a wolf in the 4 that voted for mauboy. I'm still suspicious of bhlloy, but my feelings are stronger for you being a wolf. So, I'll keep my vote where it is for the time being.

Well, fair enough. You're wrong about me and everything but, you know, I would say that. If you're a villager your play today has given the wolves all the opportunity in the world to jump on you or me today, and then point at the other tomorrow and say that that person led the charge. So I guess I better hope that voting you was the right move.

For future reference how should I come after you if I think there's a better than base chance that you're a baddy? :)

[spleen1015]

Well, fair enough. You're wrong about me and everything but, you know, I would say that. If you're a villager your play today has given the wolves all the opportunity in the world to jump on you or me today, and then point at the other tomorrow and say that that person led the charge. So I guess I better hope that voting you was the right move.

For future reference how should I come after you if I think there's a better than base chance that you're a baddy? :)

If you think I'm a baddy, then come after me however you want. My problem is that you're coming after me period.

Given the current situation, I wouldn't come after me. I would focus on the folks that moved to mauboy. He set himself up nicely to get lynched and one or both of the wolves jumped on the opportunity. Instead of focusing on one of those targets, you focused on me. That tells me one or more of those 4 is the right place to look and since you're one of those 4...

I could be a baddy that didn't move his vote or I could be an inexperienced player who has also played very poorly in the past who made moves that led to his suspicion when he wasn't a baddy that got him lynched.

[JAG]

If you think I'm a baddy, then come after me however you want. My problem is that you're coming after me period.

Given the current situation, I wouldn't come after me. I would focus on the folks that moved to mauboy. He set himself up nicely to get lynched and one or both of the wolves jumped on the opportunity. Instead of focusing on one of those targets, you focused on me. That tells me one or more of those 4 is the right place to look and since you're one of those 4...

I could be a baddy that didn't move his vote or I could be an inexperienced player who has also played very poorly in the past who made moves that led to his suspicion when he wasn't a baddy that got him lynched.

I don't agree with you (me voting a Mau voter is a 1/3 chance of getting a wolf vs. 2/7 random vote, not much difference unless you think both wolves are there), but I appreciate you putting out something to consider.

[bhlloy]

Vote Spleen

Seems like the best direction to go in today, knowing what we know about the vote yesterday.

I'm a little suspicious of JAG and PF given the votes yesterday. Both were in the race and then Mau gets pushed ahead and they are never mentioned again. I doubt two wolves put back to back votes on Mau like that but I could definitely see one wolf vote in there. In fact I'd be pretty confident about it.

I'm also not 100% as sold on Mau definitely not being a wolf. If the wolves were role hunting, then Chubby might not have been the target at the time of his switch. I've seen Mau play this crazy before, as a wolf and not as a wolf. His insistence that we not use the scan on him because he's just vanilla and to use it elsewhere doesn't smell right to me. So... I'm keeping an open mind and hopefully down the road we get the priest to confirm one way or the other

[spleen1015]

69 - 03:24 - Narcizo votes spleen1015(1)
176 - 05:45 - Narcizo unvotes spleen1015(0), votes Danny(1)
177 - 05:59 - Narcizo unvotes Danny(0), votes spleen1015(1)
178 - 06:18 - spleen1015 votes bhlloy(1)
185 - 08:22 - spleen1015 unvotes bhlloy(0), votes Narcizo(1)
192 - 10:15 - bhlloy votes spleen1015(2)

2 - spleen1015 - Narcizo(177), bhlloy(192)
1 - Narcizo - spleen1015(185)

Yet to vote
Danny
JAG
PackerFanatic
Zinto

[JAG]

Narcizo, how much longer will you be around today? I have some thoughts and would like your reaction / input, but it would be better if we could hear from Zinto and Danny before I toss them out (though no idea if that's in the cards).

[Narcizo]

I'm usually around until 16:00-ish I think.

[Zinto]

Hello everyone.

I know that my vote and Spleen's vote look bad. As a villager if someone else was in my shoes I would vote for me especially as the game went on. I would to give you the "why would a wolf isolate their vote" excuse but it is terrible.

[mauchow]

Me-post leader. Hell yeah!

[Zinto]

Also considering where the voting ended up if Bhlloy is a villager then either Spleen or I would most likely be a wolf. I am not ready to vote Spleen just because of that since I am not sure Bhlloy is a villager.

[Zinto]

Well also Danny could be a wolf in that theory since he had no vote. The reason being is if there where two villagers on the block late why would the wolves stack their votes on Mau?

[Zinto]

If Bhlloy is a wolf then there most likely was two wolves on Mau so that Bhlloy could survive. I am not sure what theory you think is correct. At this point I have no idea either way.

[spleen1015]

Zinto, that is a good point that I hadn't considered.

We don't have any read on Danny because he was inactive yesterday and so far today.

[Zinto]

Yep, it is unfortunate he has not been able to be active so far this game. I am not ready to jump all over him about it at this point and I would love to hear what he has to say about what has gone on so far.

[bhlloy]

Well also Danny could be a wolf in that theory since he had no vote. The reason being is if there where two villagers on the block late why would the wolves stack their votes on Mau?

Because one of the earlier people on the block was a wolf, and pushing Mau ahead was the way to take heat off them? That's the basis of my "one of PF or JAG is bad" theory. Might not be great, but it's the best I have today other than vote Spleen for his no-vote and see what happens.

[Narcizo]

So would I but unfortunately he indicated that he probably wouldn't be around until after I disappear.

[Zinto]

Because one of the earlier people on the block was a wolf, and pushing Mau ahead was the way to take heat off them? That's the basis of my "one of PF or JAG is bad" theory. Might not be great, but it's the best I have today other than vote Spleen for his no-vote and see what happens.

True that was something I did not think about.If one of the wolves was on the block Mau was a good scapegoat to use as a way to move the vote onto him. He made a mistake in his reasoning and it was pretty easy to drum up suspicion going his way.

[JAG]

I want to vote bhlloy because of how he has handled his thinking about things thus far vs. how I would have in his position, but for now I'm holding back for one reason (and it may not even be a good one).

bhlloy, you've made your thoughts clear on most of us, but what about Narcizo and Zinto? (you can leave out Danny)

[JAG]

And I'm noticing only one other person gave consideration to things as I was, so maybe I'm just an outlier here.

[PackerFanatic]

I think we can potentially learn the most from lynching bhlloy. If mau was a villager as he so adamantly was stating, then at least 1 wolf was on him. If we lynch bhlloy and he is NOT a wolf, then we need a hard look at Zinto (since if we were villager-villager, it would surprise me if both wolves were stacked on mau).

Granted this is all predicated on the notion that our priest is still alive and will be able to clear our heads.

VOTE BHLLOY

[Narcizo]

Sorry guys - this sucks but I've got to go now. I don't have a great deal to add, unfortunately. I think the small game thing probably isn't for me.

[Narcizo]

I'm fairly happy with my vote where it is, mostly due to spleen's over-reaction. Sure he could be a villager making a mistake but he could also be a wolf making the same mistake of over-reacting. I realise that this vote is pretty crucial to the game but I just don't think there's enough to go on at the moment. I normally need a couple of days to get into a game.

[bhlloy]

bhlloy, you've made your thoughts clear on most of us, but what about Narcizo and Zinto? (you can leave out Danny)

Both are playing their usual game as far as I can see, Narc is putting in good analysis but isn't around for deadline so it's hard to get a read on him and Zinto is very UTR and busting my balls :D

I see no reason to trust or distrust them at this point. And obviously Danny is in the same boat.

[Zinto]

It has been extremely quiet so far and that hasn't made anything easier. I am really stumped on where I want to place my vote today since this an important vote and we have close to no information to go on.

[Zinto]

Zinto is very UTR and busting my balls :D .

:)

[spleen1015]

It has been extremely quiet so far and that hasn't made anything easier. I am really stumped on where I want to place my vote today since this an important vote and we have close to no information to go on.

I am discouraged by the lack of activity as well from some folks.

[JAG]

Well, it's really gonna be a crapshoot I see. I have sone reasons to distrust bhlloy, but there's some reasonable evidence to suggest he's not a great candidate today. I feel alright about Narcizo for the most part, though it seems I don't get a good read on him when he's a wolf. So, into the abyss hoping for the best here:

Vote spleen

[Danny]

I am here now

[Danny]

I think going with the day 1 Mau voters is probably the best bet, though Spleen is tempting with his third candidate vote.

At this point I'd lean toward voting Jag or Packer

[Danny]

Vote Jag

[spleen1015]

169 - 03:24 - Narcizo votes spleen1015(1)
176 - 05:45 - Narcizo unvotes spleen1015(0), votes Danny(1)
177 - 05:59 - Narcizo unvotes Danny(0), votes spleen1015(1)
178 - 06:18 - spleen1015 votes bhlloy(1)
185 - 08:22 - spleen1015 unvotes bhlloy(0), votes Narcizo(1)
192 - 10:15 - bhlloy votes spleen1015(2)
208 - 14:41 - PackerFanatic votes bhlloy(1)
215 - 18:01 - JAG votes spleen1015(3)
218 - 18:42 - Danny votes JAG(1)

3 - spleen1015 - Narcizo(177), bhlloy(192), JAG(215)
1 - Narcizo - spleen1015(185)
1 - bhlloy - PackerFanatic(208)
1 - JAG - Danny(218)

Yet to vote
Zinto

[JAG]

This is what I waited 1.5 days for? :)

[Autumn]

spleen - narcizo (177), bhlloy (192), JAG (215)
narcizo - spleen1015 (185)
bhlloy - packefanatic (208)
JAG - danny (218)

[Danny]

This is what I waited 1.5 days for? :)

:D

[Danny]

I would probably go Packer too.

[spleen1015]

Well, Danny. I dunno man.

You weren't here yesterday and most of today and you throw a vote someone out of the mix right now. It could be said you're doing the same thing I was accused of yesterday, leaving your vote pretty much out of the decision, or at least trying to.

I would be careful.

[JAG]

Seriously, even with my own perspective obviously helping, this vote is hard to understand. I gave Mau every chance to explain himself D1 before I went to him with a vote as opposed to jumping on him immediately as hoops did to Chubby last game for example. When the vote was tied at 1, I went with Chubby (who hadn't voted me) instead of PF (who had voted me), which is not much of a survival-inclined move. I guess if you see us as wolf teammates that would make sense, but then explaining PF's vote on me is difficult.

[JAG]

I don't see a PF-spleen pairing as out of the question though, so I wouldn't have argued with your other thought.

[Zinto]

I really have no idea where to go so I am going to vote towards trying to get as much information as we can and place a vote on Bhlloy. At this point I am not getting to much of a wolfy vibe on anyone so this is the best I can think of doing.

Vote Bhlloy

[Zinto]

I am going to hop into the shower and then reexamine yesterday and see if anything changes my mind.

[Danny]

Well, Danny. I dunno man.

You weren't here yesterday and most of today and you throw a vote someone out of the mix right now. It could be said you're doing the same thing I was accused of yesterday, leaving your vote pretty much out of the decision, or at least trying to.

I would be careful.

Except that we have to get a wolf today or the game is likely lost, so I am going to throw a vote down where I think a wolf will be. There's still a lot of time until deadline. My vote won't end up wasted, I assure you of that. I just think there is a good chance the wolves voted early today to establish non wolf candidates, so going with that and falling in line with who is there already, is dangerous/

[Danny]

Unvote Jag
Vote Packerfanatic

I am ok with either one, but I think this gives a better chance of getting traction from the other villagers (or wolves I suppose if this is a bad vote)

[spleen1015]

169 - 03:24 - Narcizo votes spleen1015(1)
176 - 05:45 - Narcizo unvotes spleen1015(0), votes Danny(1)
177 - 05:59 - Narcizo unvotes Danny(0), votes spleen1015(1)
178 - 06:18 - spleen1015 votes bhlloy(1)
185 - 08:22 - spleen1015 unvotes bhlloy(0), votes Narcizo(1)
192 - 10:15 - bhlloy votes spleen1015(2)
208 - 14:41 - PackerFanatic votes bhlloy(1)
215 - 18:01 - JAG votes spleen1015(3)
218 - 18:42 - Danny votes JAG(1)
227 - 19:09 - Zinto votes bhlloy(2)
230 - 19:12 - Danny unvotes JAG(0), votes PackerFanatic(1)

3 - spleen1015 - Narcizo(177), bhlloy(192), JAG(215)
2 - bhlloy - PackerFanatic(208), Zinto(227)
1 - Narcizo - spleen1015(185)
1 - PackerFanatic - Danny(230)

[Danny]

I will not be voting bhlloy or narcizo today. Not sure I like Spleen as a candidate either, it's very risky for a wolf to leave their vote off in nothingness like that on day 1 with only two wolves.

[JAG]

Except that we have to get a wolf today or the game is likely lost, so I am going to throw a vote down where I think a wolf will be. There's still a lot of time until deadline. My vote won't end up wasted, I assure you of that. I just think there is a good chance the wolves voted early today to establish non wolf candidates, so going with that and falling in line with who is there already, is dangerous/

Why would you not vote bhlloy or Narcizo then who:

1. Are early voters today
2. Are Mau voters yesterday

You're not making a lot of sense to me.

[spleen1015]

Why would you not vote bhlloy or Narcizo then who:

1. Are early voters today
2. Are Mau voters yesterday

You're not making a lot of sense to me.

I look at this a little differently.

I don't think a wolf would be gone for 1.5 days and then show up and say they weren't going to vote for certain candidates. I don't think Danny would make that mistake as a wolf. I'm seeing him as a villager now.

[JAG]

I never claimed he was acting like a wolf, just that his logic didn't make sense to me and I wanted to know where he was coming from.

[spleen1015]

I never claimed he was acting like a wolf, just that his logic didn't make sense to me and I wanted to know where he was coming from.

Yeah, and I never said that you said you thought he was a wolf. I was just pointing out that I didn't think he was a wolf.

You seemed suspicious of him to me, that is where I mean I see it differently.

[JAG]

We can't screw up the vote today and Danny has come up with ideas I haven't thought of before, so I want to make sure I'm not incorrectly dismissing something that doesnt make sense to me at first glance.

[spleen1015]

We can't screw up the vote today and Danny has come up with ideas I haven't thought of before, so I want to make sure I'm not incorrectly dismissing something that doesnt make sense to me at first glance.

Then, I hope he can help you change your mind and get your vote off of me. :D

[Danny]

Why would you not vote bhlloy or Narcizo then who:

1. Are early voters today
2. Are Mau voters yesterday

You're not making a lot of sense to me.

I should have clarified better. The reason I do not want to vote Narc is for gut read and the reason for not voting bh is because Packer voted him. I shouldn't have been so strong in my statement though. I played 5 straight games of the resistance last night, so I may just start calling everyone spies at some point today.

[Danny]

I guess a BH and Packer run off isn't a bad thing. The more I look at it though, I don't think Spleen is a wolf.

[Danny]

So if Spleen isn't a wolf, is there likely a wolf on him or do the wolves go for other candidates hoping to set it so that all candidates are villagers.

[spleen1015]

I still don't like that Narc targeted me today, but my vote on him doesn't seem like it is going to do any good. If I manage to live through the day, I want my vote to mean something. I believe strongly that Danny is a villager.

UNVOTE NARCIZO
VOTE PACKER FANATIC

[Zinto]

It looks like my vote on Bhlloy is a throw away depending on if Packer gets back on tonight or not. I am debating if I want to move onto Spleen or Packer but at this point it looks as though it will not matter unless one of the Spleen voters move onto Packer.

[JAG]

I should have clarified better. The reason I do not want to vote Narc is for gut read and the reason for not voting bh is because Packer voted him. I shouldn't have been so strong in my statement though. I played 5 straight games of the resistance last night, so I may just start calling everyone spies at some point today.

Alright, I'm not trying to pick on you, but if your gut read of Narc is good, why are you so anti his candidate?

[JAG]

Unvote spleen
Vote PackerFanatic

This vote isn't set, but I'll make it so we can at least have a discussion.

[Danny]

Just because I think someone is good, I have to agree with them? Thinking Narc is good doesn't mean he is making a good vote.

[spleen1015]

After the latest votes...

169 - 03:24 - Narcizo votes spleen1015(1)
176 - 05:45 - Narcizo unvotes spleen1015(0), votes Danny(1)
177 - 05:59 - Narcizo unvotes Danny(0), votes spleen1015(1)
178 - 06:18 - spleen1015 votes bhlloy(1)
185 - 08:22 - spleen1015 unvotes bhlloy(0), votes Narcizo(1)
192 - 10:15 - bhlloy votes spleen1015(2)
208 - 14:41 - PackerFanatic votes bhlloy(1)
215 - 18:01 - JAG votes spleen1015(3)
218 - 18:42 - Danny votes JAG(1)
227 - 19:09 - Zinto votes bhlloy(2)
230 - 19:12 - Danny unvotes JAG(0), votes PackerFanatic(1)
242 - 19:56 - spleen1015 unvotes Narcizo(0), votes PackerFanatic(2)
245 - 20:12 - JAG unvotes spleen1015(2), votes PackerFanatic(3)

2 - spleen1015 - Narcizo(177), bhlloy(192)
2 - bhlloy - PackerFanatic(208), Zinto(227)
3 - PackerFanatic - Danny(230), spleen1015(242), JAG(245)

[Autumn]

spleen - narcizo (177), bhlloy (192)
bhlloy - packefanatic (208), zinto (227)
PackerFanatic - danny (230), spleen1015 (242), JAG (245)

[JAG]

Just because I think someone is good, I have to agree with them? Thinking Narc is good doesn't mean he is making a good vote.

No, but you were talking about being concerned that the wolves set the early votees. If you think Narcizo is good, then you can at least trust that he made the vote without wolfy intention in mind. If you think he screwed up the vote, then we would have 3 villagers to compete with two wolves and cultist, which isn't a great chance, except that they don't know each other (unless they figured how to signal each other and I didn't notice).

[Danny]

Well. that's true, but considering we don't know who the wolves are, I doubt the cultist has any better idea at this point