WW - The Princess Bride (Game Over - Wolves Win)

[Danny]

We now know that it wasn't really a mattter of anyone trying to save bhlloy.

[Danny]

I can only guess they thought he had an important role.

[bhlloy]

sorry guys, I just saw I died. peace

[hoopsguy]

Went back to using IE after using Chrome for a little while and I am still having an issue with the View First Unread button. It takes me back to the same post as the very first time I used that button in the thread. It has done that ever snce I went to IE 9.

Has anyone else run into this? If so, have you found a solution for it?

Having problems with this as well, on this new laptop. I didn't have it on my old laptop (last month) that was running IE9.

Also having some issues with Pandora, and random display driver issues. I'm about at the point where I'm ready to really start digging into these issues and see if I can find some ways of improving my IE experience. Easy answer would be "other browser" but I'm now working for a pretty hardcore MS partner who would frown upon that behavior. So might as well figure it out ...

[Danny]

I don't really have much on bhlloy besides a tiny bit of semantics, and DV is pinging all over.

unvote bhlloy
vote DV

You probably don't bother doing this as a wolf

[Autumn]

It's a bad play because they didn't vote him before he left. He wasn't in awful shape when he left and in the event he had an important role, it was a bad move for everyone to vote for him later rather than earlier

telle votes darth 5-5-4-1
darth unvotes narc 5-5-3-1
darth votes bhlloy 6-5-3-1
mauboy unvotes narc 6-5-2-1
mauboy votes darth 6-6-2-1
jackal unvotes bhlloy 6-5-2-1
jackal votes darth 7-5-2-1
bhlloy unvotes ntn 7-5-2
bhlloy votes darth 8-5-2
pf unvotes narc 8-5-1
pf votes darth 9-5-1

Darth was 5-5 with bhlloy when he voted, before leaving. You don't call that "in awful shape"? He knew he was leaving, he knew he had a very high chance of being lynched. This isn't a case of someone being blindsided while they were gone, at all.

That said, now that we know bhlloy was good we can put away the conspiracy theories anyway, since the wolves didn't need to do a thing in a 6-5 villager villager runoff.

[PackerFanatic]

That's a rather surprising kill if you ask me, but at least he was vanilla. I sure had my sights on the wrong people today.

Agreed - really kills most of the voting from today, if you ask me (at least in terms of looking at the save angle)

[Autumn]

I have to think that bhlloy gave them a roled villager vibe, which I can see, I kind of got that from him too. I don't think I would have given away all that voting history based on it though, that's a gutsy call by the wolves.

[Autumn]

I'm now fine (do you hear me bhlloy?) with going after some quiet players for day 2. I don't think there's much of anything to dredge out of the voting at this point to base votes on.

[EagleFan]

Day Two has begun!

[Danny]

I think Narcizo might be worth a look, but right now my gut says to vote Autumn. I'll wait on that for now though.

[Autumn]

So Lathum, Mrbug, mauboy and ntn look like our quietest by post number so far. Lathum said he would be busy for a couple of days. NTN gets enough grief for being quiet without me helping. I'll be looking at the other two, especially mrbug who I recall just having two driveby votes.

[Danny]

You know what, I waited long enough!

Vote Autumn

This may change, but I am going with my gut for now

[PackerFanatic]

Would have to put dacman in that list too, since he didn't show at all.

[Autumn]

Oh a no show, didn't even notice that. Since he's new I'd give him a pass I guess.

[Autumn]

I assume, Danny, I'm suffering from "Autumn talks enough he gets votes" syndrome, but is there anything particular making me ping you?

I haven't been very active, and not at all useful, the last couple games, so I'm trying to get back to my regular chatty, not much useful self.

[Danny]

So Lathum, Mrbug, mauboy and ntn look like our quietest by post number so far. Lathum said he would be busy for a couple of days. NTN gets enough grief for being quiet without me helping. I'll be looking at the other two, especially mrbug who I recall just having two driveby votes.

While going after less active people isn't bad, it seems like you want to do so just for the sake of doing it. You also pretty clearly want to help set the candidate(s) early in the day which I like to do as a wolf also.

Out of the players you mention, Mau is the only one who was less active than their typical early play style / known availability.

[Autumn]

I'll go ahead and put a vote up on Mr.Bug and get the fire under him. Mauboy I feel is likelier to get chatty on his own.

<b>VOTE MRBUG708</b>

[Danny]

I assume, Danny, I'm suffering from "Autumn talks enough he gets votes" syndrome, but is there anything particular making me ping you?

I haven't been very active, and not at all useful, the last couple games, so I'm trying to get back to my regular chatty, not much useful self.

It's not so much that, it was a bit if a vibe, and your last post is the one that got me to vote. It seems like you wanted to set the tone of candidates early and really had no reason for picking the people you did. Again, ntn always plays this way and he's not going to start posting a lot just because people vote him. Lathum said he was not to be real active today and Mr. Bug plays this way early in games and becomes more active as they go on.

[Autumn]

While going after less active people isn't bad, it seems like you want to do so just for the sake of doing it. You also pretty clearly want to help set the candidate(s) early in the day which I like to do as a wolf also.

Out of the players you mention, Mau is the only one who was less active than their typical early play style / known availability.

I want to do it for the sake of getting people on the block early, so we can get vote history. At least from my viewpoint, A day that mostly involved two villagers running off against each other isn't going to help me guide my vote, not at this point. Once we maybe clear or unclear another person or two it will help. So I think it's best to just have another day one, in a sense, get some people up there and start voting.

I actually don't like to set the vote as a wolf, I'm more likely to nudge it later. I am well aware that the person who talks first and talks the most gets their unfair share of suspicion. I'm willing to stick my nose out because I'm a villager, and because i think the village does better when we have a long day of voting history, not when people start throwing out votes at 3 pm or people mull over people without committing all day.

And also by your reckoning you're the one trying to set the vote, and you already admitted that's a Danny wolf move ;-)

[EagleFan]

Trying to find out if dacman will be able to play or if something came up (or a change of mind).

[Autumn]

First of all, I already said that about NTN and Lathum, that's why I didn't vote them. Mr. Bug tends to just driveby vote, in my experience, unless pressed, so I'd rather press day two than day 8.

But my main point is not to vote them because they're acting suspiciously, but just to have a reason to vote someone. So I guess yo'ure right, I'm doing it just to do it. It feels like another day one to me. The only people who were pinging me day one are either dead or were pretty much cleared by the two results.

[Autumn]

Also, coffee, and late night projects.

[mauchow]

I'll go ahead and put a vote up on Mr.Bug and get the fire under him. Mauboy I feel is likelier to get chatty on his own.

<b>VOTE MRBUG708</b>

Me? ME!? ME GET CHATTY!?

Crappy result today. I've got my own thoughts that I'll keep to myself for probably a day to see how it plays out today as I watch more closely what people say until tomorrow's deadline.

[Danny]

Looks like we're both the one trying to set the vote, only this is the second day in a row you have done so.

[mauchow]

I guess not crappy in the sense that we didn't hit a roled villager though.

[mauchow]

vote jackal

[Danny]

First of all, I already said that about NTN and Lathum, that's why I didn't vote them. Mr. Bug tends to just driveby vote, in my experience, unless pressed, so I'd rather press day two than day 8.

But my main point is not to vote them because they're acting suspiciously, but just to have a reason to vote someone. So I guess yo'ure right, I'm doing it just to do it. It feels like another day one to me. The only people who were pinging me day one are either dead or were pretty much cleared by the two results.

This isn't day 1 though there is information to be gleamed. Some of it depends on Narcizo's allegiance, but in general I'd say it's more likely wolves had early to mid votes that never changed all day.

[Danny]

vote jackal

Jackal is #1 on my trust list at this point. He made a late vote change from one villager to another. Not impossible, but unlikely a wolf does that

[Autumn]

Looks like we're both the one trying to set the vote, only this is the second day in a row you have done so.

I think the record would show that I like to get the voting started early as a villager. And I have lots of reasons why I don't think it would actually work as a wolf to vote the way I have, but I won't bother getting into them. Everybody's gotta vote on something, and you've found something.

[Autumn]

This isn't day 1 though there is information to be gleamed. Some of it depends on Narcizo's allegiance, but in general I'd say it's more likely wolves had early to mid votes that never changed all day.

I'm all for hearing any theories, and it's not like my vote's set in stone. I just didn't see anything leaping out at me, so went a different direction.

[Danny]

Unvote Autumn
Vote Mauboy

Yeah, I might give it some more time for you. If you were a wolf you probably would have killed me last night.

As much as you have been pinging me, Mau's post about having thoughts, but wanting to keep them to himself pinged me even more

[Autumn]

Well, I have to admit, I wouldn't have killed you if I was a wolf. But then again I definitely would not have killed bhlloy.

[Autumn]

Well, I'm off for the night. Let's see those votes folks!

[mauchow]

Unvote Autumn
Vote Mauboy

Yeah, I might give it some more time for you. If you were a wolf you probably would have killed me last night.

As much as you have been pinging me, Mau's post about having thoughts, but wanting to keep them to himself pinged me even more

You are funny.

[mauchow]

I'm not allowed to keep my thoughts to myself for a day to track what I feel might be decent information? Fair enough.

Good night everyone, I don't believe my boss will be around tomorrow so I should be able to post from phone. Yipee.

[hoopsguy]

Having problems with this as well, on this new laptop. I didn't have it on my old laptop (last month) that was running IE9.

Also having some issues with Pandora, and random display driver issues. I'm about at the point where I'm ready to really start digging into these issues and see if I can find some ways of improving my IE experience. Easy answer would be "other browser" but I'm now working for a pretty hardcore MS partner who would frown upon that behavior. So might as well figure it out ...

Don't want to thread-jack any further, but if anyone else is having any of the above problems and wants to collaborate on trying to fix them I'm all for it.

I think I might have the Pandora one resolved, and the video driver stuff hasn't popped up yet tonight. But the FOFC "last thread" thing remains 100% screwed up.

[Chief Rum]

It's a bad play because they didn't vote him before he left. He wasn't in awful shape when he left and in the event he had an important role, it was a bad move for everyone to vote for him later rather than earlier

Well, it was a bad move if they're villagers. The wouldn't care much if they were wolves.

Of course, bhlloy being a villager means wolves wuldn't care, period.

[Danny]

I'm not allowed to keep my thoughts to myself for a day to track what I feel might be decent information? Fair enough.




But what purpose does that serve? If you're a villager you run the risk of letting the wolves dictate how things go or possibly get lynched or killed without saying anything

[EagleFan]

Don't want to thread-jack any further, but if anyone else is having any of the above problems and wants to collaborate on trying to fix them I'm all for it.

I think I might have the Pandora one resolved, and the video driver stuff hasn't popped up yet tonight. But the FOFC "last thread" thing remains 100% screwed up.

Tried a few different settings in IE9 but nothing yet.

[MrBug708]

I'll go ahead and put a vote up on Mr.Bug and get the fire under him. Mauboy I feel is likelier to get chatty on his own.

<b>VOTE MRBUG708</b>

I dont usually have much to say after the first day or two. I can't really defend myself at this point either as a villager. Unfortunately for the other villagers, I won't be around much the next two days either.

[Narcizo]

I realised that the wolves would, ideally, want to grab the powder. Which, like Darth, is why I went after it. Only I didn't think I needed to broadcast the fact. Personally if I were a wolf I would have gone after the wheelbarrow and certainly not been the first to go after the powder as that was bound to get some looks. Can't fault DV's reasoning though and I think it's a pity that he gets lynched on the first day he is actually active.

Lot of people keeping a low profile in the game. I'll be wanting to look at them. I'll look at the voting before seeing who I feel a bit better/worse about.

[Narcizo]

Killing Bhlloy is a strange move. I guess if the wolves thought he was roled they thought he would reveal if pushed as a lynch candidate this early and then get Fezzik's help. In fact if they thought he was Westley they might see this as their only shot to kill him for a long while, so that might explain it. I guess that bhlloy looked a bit eager to save himself which suggest wolf or, to the wolves, roled so that's probably what happened.

[Narcizo]

Day One

#98 12:39 Autumn votes Darth Vilus (1)
#102 01:59 Narcizo votes Darth Vilus (2)
#108 08:49 JAG votes Chief Rum (1)
#109 08:51 Packer votes Narcizo (1)
#124 11:18 Jackal votes Chief Rum (2)
#125 11:51 mau votes Narcizo (2)
#126 11:57 Bhlloy votes Chief Rum (3)

#138 13:39 Lathum votes Bhlloy (1)
#139 13:53 MrBug votes Autumn (1)
#140 13:54 JAG unvotes Chief Rum (2)
#143 14:18 Jackal unvotes Chief Rum (1)
#143 14:18 Jackal votes Bhlloy (2)
#144 14:18 Bhlloy unvotes Chief Rum (0)
#144 14:18 Bhlloy votes Ntndeacon (1)

#165 16:10 Ntndeacon votes Bhlloy (3)
#170 18:24 Passacaglia votes Darth Vilus (3)
#172 18:40 Darth Vilus votes Narcizo (3)
#190 19:13 Chief Rum votes Darth Vilus (4)
#192 19:23 MrBug unvotes Autumn (0)
#192 19:23 MrBug votes Narcizo (4)
#196 19:46 JAG votes Bhlloy (4)
#199 20:00 Danny votes Bhlloy (5)

#201 20:10 Telle votes Darth Vilus (5)
#217 20:45 Darth Vilus unvotes Narcizo (3)
#217 20:45 Darth Vilus votes Bhlloy (6)
#221 20:58 mau unvotes Narcizo (2)
#221 20:58 Mau votes Darth Vilus (6)
#223 21:03 Jackal unvotes Bhlloy (5)
#223 21:03 Jackal votes Darth Vilus (7)
#225 21:32 Bhlloy unvotes Ntndeacon (0)
#225 21:32 Bhlloy votes Darth Vilus (8)
#226 21:35 Packer unvotes Narcizo (1)
#226 21:35 Packer votes Darth Vilus (9)


Darth Vilus 9 - Autumn (98), Narcizo (102), Passacaglia (170), Chief Rum (190), Telle (201), mauboy1 (221), The Jackal (223), bhlloy (225), PackerFanatic (226)
bhlloy 5 - Lathum (138), ntndeacon (165), JAG (196), Danny (199), Darth Vilus (217)
Narcizo 1 - MrBug 708 (192)

[Narcizo]

OK I think whoever got the powder should 'fess up. No reason for a villager not to do so as far as I can see. If no-one admits it then we know that the wolves got it.

I didn't get the powder.

[Narcizo]

I dont usually have much to say after the first day or two. I can't really defend myself at this point either as a villager. Unfortunately for the other villagers, I won't be around much the next two days either.

There's not saying anything and then there's, you know, saying the absolute bear minimum of switching your vote. And if you're not going to be around the next two days you're not giving us anything to work on with regards to you.

[Narcizo]

I think Narcizo might be worth a look,

That's what the ladies are always saying about me. :cool:

I agree that from an information-gathering point of view a run-off between me and Chief would ideally be the way to go. Wonder if the wolves thought that as well.

[Darth Vilus]

Ah what? I was a vanilla villager? Who would have thought! Didn't see that one coming!

[Darth Vilus]

personally i think the wolves got scared of me

[Darth Vilus]

And they should've been!

[Narcizo]

OK I think whoever got the powder should 'fess up. No reason for a villager not to do so as far as I can see. If no-one admits it then we know that the wolves got it.

I didn't get the powder.

Oops! Might not be ideal revealing this if the wolves get the item if they night kill you.

Eagle - what happens if you hold an item and the wolves kill you?

[Narcizo]

I think I might have the Pandora one resolved, and the video driver stuff hasn't popped up yet tonight. But the FOFC "last thread" thing remains 100% screwed up.

Think I've seen a thread about the problem somewhere on the site, but it might have been talked about in another thread. I suggest searching for the topic and if you don't find it posting a new thread in Off-Topic. :)

[Narcizo]

Ok if Chief is a wolf then I think it looks decent for Bug as if he was a wolf I think he'd add his vote to one of the candidates early on. Lathum, I'm not sure. I think he's basically saying that people shouldn't vote Chief which is fair enough and all but could easily be a wolfy move. Don't really see Lathum going that route though.

If Chief is a villager and knowing that I'm a villager then I think we want to look at the people who make sure that the existing candidates get pushed ahead. I would be interested in hearing from Passa and NTN there.

I agree that Jackal's moved vote gets him some trust, although it could also explain why Bhlloy was killed, as a wolf Jackal would be interested in showing that Bhlloy was also a villager. Doesn't really explain why he would move his vote in the first place though so I agree with Danny about Jackal deserving the most trust at the moment, making mau's vote today questionable (along with his dubious early vote yesterday ;) ). Don't see it as a huge indictment of him though.

Don't know why Autumn only mentioned the 4 he did to be honest as, as far as I can see there aren't many who posted much of significance yesterday. That's the nature of day ones but I'm more dubious of people who keep their post count up without really saying anything (Telle, Passa, Packer) rather than people who don't post at all. JAG only has 6 posts but he actually says something in his posts.

[Danny]

I may end up going back to Autumn.

On a separate note, I'm not really getting a wolfy vibe from Narc at the moment.

[Narcizo]

Vote ntndeacon

I think there's likely a wolf vote on bhlloy and I'm getting okayish vibes from the rest of the people on him - unsurprisingly I'm not getting any vibe from ntndeacon. Passa, DV and he pretty much decided which three-horse race would emerge. DV was a villager and I think we're likely to get more useful stuff out of Passa rather than Ntn.

Not at all set on this vote though so I might be a-moving it later.

[Danny]

[COLOR="Red"]As of post 227:

Darth Vilus 9 - Autumn (98), Narcizo (102), Passacaglia (170), Chief Rum (190), Telle (201), mayboy1 (221), The Jackal (223), bhlloy (225), PackerFanatic (226)
bhlloy 5 - Lathum (138), ntndeacon (165), JAG (196), Danny (199), Darth Vilus (217)
Narcizo 1 - MrBug 708 (192)



Narc, you bring up a great point. We have 9 people on DV and only 5 alive not on DV. You have to figure it's more likely not all the wolves piled on Darth when both players were villagers. Especially since I am in the group of 5 (and I know my allegiance), I think that is a better place for a vote than where I have mine now.

Unvote Mauboy

Despite my earlier gut reads, I can't vote with that over a solid place to go in with the group of 5. My vote will likely land there (Lathum, Ntn, Jag or Mr. Bug)

[Passacaglia]

Some trivia from the movie:

Despite his character Fezzik's almost-superhuman strength, André the Giant's back problems at the time prevented him from actually lifting anything heavy. Robin Wright had to be attached to wires in the scene where Buttercup jumps from the castle window into Fezzik's arms because he couldn't support her himself.

While rehearsing for the film, André the Giant's thick accent prevented many of his lines from being understood. To remedy this, actor Mandy Patinkin slapped André in the face to get him to concentrate harder.

When Count Rugen hits Westley over the head, Cary Elwes told Christopher Guest to go ahead and hit him for real. Guest hit him hard enough to shut down production for a day while Elwes went to the hospital.

The video baseball game the Grandson in playing during the first scene is "Hardball" produced by Accolade, Inc., in 1985. It was widely available in the mid-1980s for the Commodore 64 computer system. It was a one or two-player game. The sound was not from the actual game, but later added.

The giant rodents were created with diminutive actors inside rat suits. On the day Westley was supposed to battle the giant rat, the "rat actor" was pulled over for speeding and subsequently arrested, and actually had to be bailed out of jail by the filmmakers so the scene could be filmed.


I never realized that was Christopher Guest.

[Passacaglia]

I would be interested in hearing from Passa and NTN there.

Hi!

Personally, if you want to know my thoughts, I'm thinking dacman is the way to go. I know EagleFan sent him a PM to see what's up, but I have little patience for people who aren't even playing. I wouldn't necessarily keep my vote on him if he checked in, but I wouldn't necessarily move it just because he deigned to make one post or something. I think some votes for him have merit because they'll show us who defends him, and who votes for him to save other people.


I'm more dubious of people who keep their post count up without really saying anything (Telle, Passa, Packer)

My post count is up? I find that hard to believe. It's probably that I'm comparing it to my usual WW self.

[Passacaglia]

On that note...

VOTE DACMAN

[ntndeacon]

On Dacman, I am willing to hear from Eagle as to what is being done.

[ntndeacon]

In terms of early thoughts in the game. My fears lie with Wolf on wolf voting in early days. Especially with earlier folks...It is so easy to hide wolvishness in an early wolf vote on Day one. names 2 and 3 to be tossed out were Chief by JAG and NArcizo by PF. I tend to think if there is a wolf-wolf pair there I favor the Chief-JAG pairing rather than the Narc-PF one.

Therefore...
Vote Chief Rum

[JAG]

Meh, not a great start. Going to be catching up a bit and going to be on and off today.

I don't really have much on bhlloy besides a tiny bit of semantics, and DV is pinging all over.

unvote bhlloy
vote DV

You probably don't bother doing this as a wolf.

I disagree. If the wolves were already thinking they were going to kill bhlloy, they would also know a late shift like that would look much more like a villager move than a wolf move. I would feel better about Jackal if bhlloy hadn't been the NK and we found out bhlloy's alligence ourselves.

[JAG]

OK I think whoever got the powder should 'fess up. No reason for a villager not to do so as far as I can see. If no-one admits it then we know that the wolves got it.

I didn't get the powder.

I don't mind revealing whether or not I received it, but would it make more sense to keep this information secret for now? Do we know what the rules are in the event a person with the item is night-killed (do we go through another selection process?). I guess this exercise doesn't make that much sense thinking about it. If a wolf received it, they'll either claim they didn't or they'll reveal that they did to gain trust. I think best we can do is hope a villager received it and gets to use it as a half-duke at some point.

[Telle]

Narc, you bring up a great point. We have 9 people on DV and only 5 alive not on DV. You have to figure it's more likely not all the wolves piled on Darth when both players were villagers. Especially since I am in the group of 5 (and I know my allegiance), I think that is a better place for a vote than where I have mine now.

Unvote Mauboy

Despite my earlier gut reads, I can't vote with that over a solid place to go in with the group of 5. My vote will likely land there (Lathum, Ntn, Jag or Mr. Bug)

I disagree with this logic. You could most likely find a wolf in any random group of 5 players.. but there's a good chance you'll be wasting your time working through four villagers before you get to that wolf. This seems like a wolf move to get us to waste time with little return on investment.

[EagleFan]

No word from dacman yet. If I don't hear from him by 5:00 I will ask CF to replace him (CF has volunteered). If it was a large game I would give him more time but with a small game time is more important.

[EagleFan]

If a person is killed while holding an item that item will be given to a random player.

[EagleFan]

As of post 316:

MrBug708 1 - Autumn (268)
The Jackal 1 - mauboy1 (277)
ntndeacon 1 - Narcizo (305)
dacman 1 - Passacaglia (309)
Chief Rum 1 - ntndeacon (311)

[Chief Rum]

Killing Bhlloy is a strange move. I guess if the wolves thought he was roled they thought he would reveal if pushed as a lynch candidate this early and then get Fezzik's help. In fact if they thought he was Westley they might see this as their only shot to kill him for a long while, so that might explain it. I guess that bhlloy looked a bit eager to save himself which suggest wolf or, to the wolves, roled so that's probably what happened.

My pet theory is that the wolves killed bhlloy to basically turn our vote on Day One into utterly meaninglessness. By showing bhlloy is a villager right away, we basically have another Day One in store for us on Day Two.

This could be just to do just that--or it's possible that a wolf made a key vote in this one, and they don't want us to look at the voting at all for Day One.

[Chief Rum]

Agreed - really kills most of the voting from today, if you ask me (at least in terms of looking at the save angle)

Ah ha, I glazed over this. PF basically said what I just did in my last post (but more succinctly).

[Chief Rum]

OK I think whoever got the powder should 'fess up. No reason for a villager not to do so as far as I can see. If no-one admits it then we know that the wolves got it.

I didn't get the powder.

I did not get the powder either.

[Passacaglia]

I'm not sure I agree with that. If we were villager-villager, wouldn't the wolves want us thinking we were wolf-villager, and following what is usually a wild-goose chase? I wonder if that means one of the late bhlloy voters was a wolf, and by showing us that bhlloy was a villager, they wanted to make sure we didn't look that way.

[Autumn]

I suppose, looking back at the vote history, that darth votes narc and then mr.bug switches to narc, making him one of three contenders in the middle of the day. If Narc were bad, we could then look at votes following that to see who might have led things to Darth and Bhlloy.

It finally occurred to me that the wolves were likely hoping that Bhlloy was the scan last night, and that's why they offed him. Which makes it a better move than I thought. If he hadn't been killed we would probably be looking at people like PF who made last minute moves. So the other theory would be that it just so happened wolves made last minute moves (though clearly they didn't have to) and so they wanted to nip that in the bud.

[Passacaglia]

Oops. Sorry Darth.

Autumn votes darth 1
Narc votes darth 2
jag votes chief 2-1
packerfan votes narc 2-1-1
jackal votes chief rum 2-2-1
mauboy votes narcizo 2-2-2
bhlloy votes chief rum 3-2-2
lathum votes bhlloy 3-2-2-1
mrbug votes autumn 3-2-2-1-1
jag unvotes chief 2-2-2-1-1
jackal unvotes chief 2-2-1-1-1
jackal votes bhlloy 2-2-2-1-1
bhlloy unvotes chief 2-2-2-1
bhlloy votes ntndeacon 2-2-2-1-1
ntn votes bhlloy 3-2-2-1-1
pass votes darth 3-3-2-1-1
dadrth votes narcizo 3-3-3-1-1
chief votes darth 4-3-3-1-1
mrbug unvotes autumn 4-3-3-1
mrbug votes narcizo 4-4-3-1
jag votes bhlloy 4-4-4-1
danny votes bhlloy 5-4-4-1
telle votes darth 5-5-4-1
darth unvotes narc 5-5-3-1
darth votes bhlloy 6-5-3-1
mauboy unvotes narc 6-5-2-1
mauboy votes darth 6-6-2-1
jackal unvotes bhlloy 6-5-2-1
jackal votes darth 7-5-2-1
bhlloy unvotes ntn 7-5-2
bhlloy votes darth 8-5-2
pf unvotes narc 8-5-1
pf votes darth 9-5-1

Late votes I see are Darth, who I have decent trust in (yes, that's a joke). Then Danny and JAG a little bit behind. Not sure what to make of The Jackal's unvote yet.

[Autumn]

Yeah, what they said.

[Passacaglia]

It finally occurred to me that the wolves were likely hoping that Bhlloy was the scan last night, and that's why they offed him. Which makes it a better move than I thought.

Oh, that's a good possibility, too.

[Passacaglia]

If he hadn't been killed we would probably be looking at people like PF who made last minute moves.

Does bhlloy being killed really affect your PF argument (which I believe has some merit)? I'm not sure it does.

[Autumn]

Late votes I see are Darth, who I have decent trust in (yes, that's a joke). Then Danny and JAG a little bit behind. Not sure what to make of The Jackal's unvote yet.

I don't get why you're calling those late votes when there's several voters that came in after that? You mean those were crucial ones and the others were piling on?

[Chief Rum]

On the same reasoning Danny gave for considering one of the four living voters on bhlloy, I have to consider Bug as a possibility, as the lone standout vote not on one of the two primaries yesterday. This can certainly be moved, but I can see a wolf Bug putting in his vote on Narc and then feeling that moving it would look wolfish later in review.

VOTE MRBUG

[Autumn]

Does bhlloy being killed really affect your PF argument (which I believe has some merit)? I'm not sure it does.

Bhlloy being killed doesn't, no. But the fact that he was piling on a done deal would make it an odd move for a wolf, knowing they're both villagers.

Now it could be that he did it just to have a relevant vote, and then worried that it would draw attention, and so he killed bhlloy. He might have been worried that just leaving his vote on narc would draw attention as a wasted vote.

[Passacaglia]

I don't get why you're calling those late votes when there's several voters that came in after that? You mean those were crucial ones and the others were piling on?

I meant late bhlloy votes. That was a continuation of my thoughts from two posts before (thanks for interrupting my dola).

[Passacaglia]

Bhlloy being killed doesn't, no. But the fact that he was piling on a done deal would make it an odd move for a wolf, knowing they're both villagers.

Now it could be that he did it just to have a relevant vote, and then worried that it would draw attention, and so he killed bhlloy. He might have been worried that just leaving his vote on narc would draw attention as a wasted vote.

That makes sense to me. It also seems telling that he was the first one to essentially say, "lets all ignore the votes, since we were villager-villager, and go back to square one"

[Narcizo]

Bhlloy being killed doesn't, no. But the fact that he was piling on a done deal would make it an odd move for a wolf, knowing they're both villagers.

Now it could be that he did it just to have a relevant vote, and then worried that it would draw attention, and so he killed bhlloy. He might have been worried that just leaving his vote on narc would draw attention as a wasted vote.

I think Packer's voting yesterday is a bit weird altogether really. I'm not really sure I understand his reasoning for voting me. I thought he meant that I was around so I could reveal if I had to - although it would have to be a pretty big run on me to get me thinking about revealing by the time I have to leave the game. Then he doesn't like the run on Darth but votes him anyway. At the time it just looks like moving a throwaway vote to another throwaway vote. At the moment I tend to think that it's just villager weird rather than fangs and fur weird though.

[JAG]

Vote ntndeacon

I think there's likely a wolf vote on bhlloy and I'm getting okayish vibes from the rest of the people on him - unsurprisingly I'm not getting any vibe from ntndeacon. Passa, DV and he pretty much decided which three-horse race would emerge. DV was a villager and I think we're likely to get more useful stuff out of Passa rather than Ntn.

Not at all set on this vote though so I might be a-moving it later.

But what if the wolves offed bhlloy because they thought it would add suspicion to those who voted bhlloy and they didn't have anyone voting him? I'll admit that would be rather unconventional for wolves to pile on someone D1, but for a reasonable part of the day the vote was spread out and only became bunched towards the end. I could see a wolf making a late move to DV under the idea that it's not a typical wolf move and because there was a general movement towards him at the end, so maybe they suspected there would be a larger pool of players to hide in. Gonna take a closer look at that when I can.

[PackerFanatic]

I think it's hard to really tell what was happening with the late votes yesterday, given that both ended up being villagers. And I think the wolves know that, hence why they made the seemingly gutsy call. As I said last night, they were more for us wasting a day of history than anything it seems.

So for now, I will go with the only vote that wasn't in the craziness yesterday.

VOTE MRBUG

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, re-looking at the vote list, I might end up re-thinking that. I can't think of why a wolf would move his vote from Autumn to Narc in the middle of the day. I can see a villager doing this--starting off with an early vote on Autumn, and then when Autumn wasn't really a aprt of the growing list of candidates, switching to Narc (who had 3 votes at the time, 1 behind the leader) to make his vote relevant.

Unless Autumn and Bug are wolves together, and Bug did it to build early trust. But then Autumn's vote today is already on Bug, and that seems a bit forward for the whole "wolf on wolf to establish trust" plan.

So I might end up switching off of Bug after all, but I'll leave it there noe and see what happens.

[PackerFanatic]

I think Packer's voting yesterday is a bit weird altogether really. I'm not really sure I understand his reasoning for voting me. I thought he meant that I was around so I could reveal if I had to - although it would have to be a pretty big run on me to get me thinking about revealing by the time I have to leave the game. Then he doesn't like the run on Darth but votes him anyway. At the time it just looks like moving a throwaway vote to another throwaway vote. At the moment I tend to think that it's just villager weird rather than fangs and fur weird though.

The initial vote was simply getting one out there on someone who wasn't on the block yet but that I knew would be around to talk about it (rather than someone quiet at the time). My post about not liking the run on him came after I had seen that there was another vote on him while I was posting, and made me think that we were barking up the wrong tree - but I didn't like bhlloy anymore than DV, so why move my vote and draw my attention to myself (which I clearly did well enough without, heh)

[Autumn]

But what if the wolves offed bhlloy because they thought it would add suspicion to those who voted bhlloy and they didn't have anyone voting him? I'll admit that would be rather unconventional for wolves to pile on someone D1, but for a reasonable part of the day the vote was spread out and only became bunched towards the end. I could see a wolf making a late move to DV under the idea that it's not a typical wolf move and because there was a general movement towards him at the end, so maybe they suspected there would be a larger pool of players to hide in. Gonna take a closer look at that when I can.

I think that's very much possible, which is why I'm wary of voting that list, as appealing and fairly short as it may be. I think the idea that the wolves split their votes among candidates is a bit antiquated, I haven't noticed that as a strong tendency for a long time, really. They could very well all be bunched on darth (or if bug or dacman is a wolf, not even in the race).

[Narcizo]

If a person is killed while holding an item that item will be given to a random player.

Not sure about revealing with the powder then. Is it likely the wolves would kill someone for a random shot at getting hold of it? And how much weight should we put on that compared with the information of finding out if the wolves have the powder. I lean towards thinking it's worth revealing that you have it unless you also have a role.

[Narcizo]

Woo! More than 50% participants in thread at the moment.

[Narcizo]

Hmm, re-looking at the vote list, I might end up re-thinking that. I can't think of why a wolf would move his vote from Autumn to Narc in the middle of the day. I can see a villager doing this--starting off with an early vote on Autumn, and then when Autumn wasn't really a aprt of the growing list of candidates, switching to Narc (who had 3 votes at the time, 1 behind the leader) to make his vote relevant.


Yeah, Bug's voting is what I'd expect from a villager. It's just a shame that he left it up to us to imply his thinking rather than just telling us what he thought.

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, re-looking at the vote list, I might end up re-thinking that. I can't think of why a wolf would move his vote from Autumn to Narc in the middle of the day. I can see a villager doing this--starting off with an early vote on Autumn, and then when Autumn wasn't really a aprt of the growing list of candidates, switching to Narc (who had 3 votes at the time, 1 behind the leader) to make his vote relevant.

Unless Autumn and Bug are wolves together, and Bug did it to build early trust. But then Autumn's vote today is already on Bug, and that seems a bit forward for the whole "wolf on wolf to establish trust" plan.

So I might end up switching off of Bug after all, but I'll leave it there noe and see what happens.

Here, I am talking about MrBug, whom I had voted for earlier. You guys blitzed the thread with posts and removed the relevancy of my post. :)

[Passacaglia]

Here, I am talking about MrBug, whom I had voted for earlier. You guys blitzed the thread with posts and removed the relevancy of my post. :)

That was probably just a ploy to get PF to hop on your bandwagon, because he hasn't done enough suspicious things lately.

[Narcizo]

I think that's very much possible, which is why I'm wary of voting that list, as appealing and fairly short as it may be. I think the idea that the wolves split their votes among candidates is a bit antiquated, I haven't noticed that as a strong tendency for a long time, really. They could very well all be bunched on darth (or if bug or dacman is a wolf, not even in the race).

Rethinking I kind of agree with you and I'm a bit surprised that my argument was enough to swing Danny of his own suspect list. On the other hand it's not my sole problem with ntn so I'm going to wait and see if the vote condenses somewhat before looking at other candidates.

[MrBug708]

vote - The Jackal

I look later hopefully and see if I need to switch. Just didnt want to leave without voting

[Chief Rum]

That was probably just a ploy to get PF to hop on your bandwagon, because he hasn't done enough suspicious things lately.

lol... I did think it funny that when I posted up about Bug, re-thinking my vote, that PF had just followed up on my vote. ;)

[Autumn]

vote - The Jackal

I look later hopefully and see if I need to switch. Just didnt want to leave without voting

lol, well that doesn't help

[Narcizo]

vote - The Jackal

I look later hopefully and see if I need to switch. Just didnt want to leave without voting

Could you please give some sort of reasoning for your votes Bug.

[JAG]

Not fully caught up yet, but my early inclination is I would be surprised if Autumn was a wolf, based on vibe and how he has previously admitted how he plays as a wolf. Danny is the one pinging me the most, but I'm hesitant to vote there at this point.

[Passacaglia]

Aight, so two people have two votes already, and somehow PF doesn't have any. He's got to at least be considered in this thing.

UNVOTE DACMAN
VOTE PACKERFANATIC

[Passacaglia]

Oh wait, Bug actually has three votes -- I was assuming CR unvoted, but he has not.

[Telle]

Votes as of post #350:

3 - MrBug - Autumn (268), Chief Rum (328), PackerFanatic (334)
2 - The Jackal - mauboy (277), MrBug (344)
1 - ntndeacon - Narcizo (305)
1 - Chief Rum - ntndeacon (311)
1 - PackerFanatic - Passacaglia (349)

[Narcizo]

I think it's hard to really tell what was happening with the late votes yesterday, given that both ended up being villagers. And I think the wolves know that, hence why they made the seemingly gutsy call. As I said last night, they were more for us wasting a day of history than anything it seems.


That makes no sense. By killing Bhlloy they're revealing that it was villager-villager. They're giving us extra information rather than killing JAG or Danny or one of the other usual suspects, which would tell us a lot less. If Bhlloy hadn't been a lot of the focus today would be on whether people were saving Bhlloy and I'm pretty confident he would be a lynch candidate today as well.

Killing because he's a likely scan candidate is possible depending on who the wolves are but not a move I'd advocate as a wolf. If you think Westley is going to scan Bhlloy then I'd leave him alive and hope that Westley tips his hand trying to save him from a lynch today.

I think the likely reasons are that the wolves read him as having a role with the possibility that it was meant to cover a wolf moving their vote onto Darth. I guess there's a chance that it means the wolves bloc-voted on Darth for some reason but I kind of think that's stretching things.

[JAG]

My pet theory is that the wolves killed bhlloy to basically turn our vote on Day One into utterly meaninglessness. By showing bhlloy is a villager right away, we basically have another Day One in store for us on Day Two.

This could be just to do just that--or it's possible that a wolf made a key vote in this one, and they don't want us to look at the voting at all for Day One.

I think you hit on it in the second paragraph. In general, wouldn't the wolves have wanted us to chase the idea that bhlloy was a wolf and not find out for however long it took? If they had a late vote on DV where it would have looked like they were 'saving' bhlloy, possibly someone who has an important wolf role, revealing bhlloy to be good would take some heat off them.

[JAG]

Alright, I'm out for a while.

[Passacaglia]

I think you hit on it in the second paragraph. In general, wouldn't the wolves have wanted us to chase the idea that bhlloy was a wolf and not find out for however long it took? If they had a late vote on DV where it would have looked like they were 'saving' bhlloy, possibly someone who has an important wolf role, revealing bhlloy to be good would take some heat off them.

I am getting confused. This sounds like basically the same thing I said an hour or so ago, but you're using it as an argument to look at bhlloy voters, while I was using it as an argument to look at DV voters.

[Passacaglia]

I am getting confused. This sounds like basically the same thing I said an hour or so ago, but you're using it as an argument to look at bhlloy voters, while I was using it as an argument to look at DV voters.

Which is especially weird, considering I voted for DV, and you voted for bhlloy. :p

[Lathum]

OK, so go ahead and shoot holes in this but Dannys logic seems very flawed.

I think it is safe to say there are at least 3 wolves. So by Danys logic if there is 1 among the 5 non DV voters there would be at least 2 among the DV voters so the odds of hitting a wold are about the same.

[Narcizo]

To be fair it's more my logic than Danny's and yeah. Not one of my finest hours.

[Lathum]

To be fair it's more my logic than Danny's and yeah. Not one of my finest hours.

sorry, really busy and only skimmed. The president of my company is coming to my office today so things are nuts.

[EagleFan]

As of post 358:

MrBug708 3 - Autumn (268), Chief Rum (328), PackerFanatic (334)
The Jackal 2 - mauboy1 (277), MrBug708 (344)
ntndeacon 1 - Narcizo (305)
PackerFanatic 1 - Passacaglia (349)
Chief Rum 1 - ntndeacon (311)

[Chief Rum]

Oh wait, Bug actually has three votes -- I was assuming CR unvoted, but he has not.

I almost certainly will be. Just leaving it for now to see what develops.

[The Jackal]

Just got back from the dentist. I knew I'd catch a little heat for being a tie-breaking vote when it was 6-6 bhlloy DV, but that was assuming we didn't know bhlloy's allegiance.

So as I see it, two people have voted for me, one doesn't want to discuss why, and the other doesn't want to discuss anything?

[mauchow]

You betcha jackal. I was just throwing out a vote eary. I am kind of waiting to see what transpires today from my vote and also to keep a read on someone specific. Didn't want to name names early on to change their pattern in case I did see something.

Its somewhat interesting to see the second vote on you however.

[mauchow]

I guess it could be seen as self defense but there were others to consider also.

[The Jackal]

Yeah at least you said something. Obviously you've got some kind of theory or info and you're watching someone. If you don't come out with it eventually you know full well people are going to get on you.

As far as Bug, it's always disappointing when people do hit and run votes.

[Autumn]

It seems more likely Mr. Bug is a villager with the continued hit and run. I know that's his MO, and you would think a wolf would feel pressed to defend himself, at least if he's actually reading along and seeing what we're saying about him. I don't know, though, it galls me a bit to think about moving my vote *because* he's continuing to drive-by, rather than because he started adding content.

[The Jackal]

Of all the theories bandied about I think the likeliest one is that the wolves thought bhlloy would be a prime scan candidate, whereas some of the bigger names would be a likely BG candidate and bhlloy would be very unlikely to be guarded. And there's probably at least 4 villager roles in the game so they had a chance of hitting one.

Still a move you don't see very often though.

[The Jackal]

Gets the "i've played with narcizo too much" suspicions going in me that the wolves have multiple normal D1 targets amongst them. ;)

[Autumn]

Yeah, that's true Jackal. Bhlloy had 0% chance of being guarded, and a high percentage chance of being scanned, so it's a smart move that way. The downside for them would be that it clears up voting history for us. Therefore, I think I will assume that is the reasoning and not get caught up in any theories about them trying to hide wolf moves, as that will most likely ruin the advantage we gained by bhlloy's death, leaving us chasing our tails despite having a very clear vote history.

[The Jackal]

What I'll most likely do is look at someone who voted for one of DV-bhlloy in the early-midday and didn't move it. Would be a safe wolf play, hoping for a villager-villager runoff.

[Autumn]

Going on my personal theory that wolves are more likely to vote in the middle, rather than early or late (and assuming there's not more than one wolf on Bhlloy, as that would make the night kill rather dangerous), I'm looking at folks in the middle of the Darth voters. Pass, Chief, Telle. Pass and Chief are talking a lot and giving us something to go by. Nothing stands out to me in their posts. Telle has thrown in one good point today but otherwise been silent, and certainly is guilty of the safe vote on Darth yesterday.

<b>unvote mrbug708
vote telle</b>

[Telle]

Heh.. so yesterday I tried to break my bad habit of always waiting until the last minute to vote, and this is what I get for it :)

Personally, I'm thinking of going with Chief Rum. There was a bit of a run on him yesterday, that just kind of up and disappeared. That looks a little suspicious to me.

vote Chief Rum

[Lathum]

OK, on lunch catching up. I really don't want to throw another candidate into the mix, but I find it interesting thet Narcizo was an early voter for the iocane powder as well as an early DV voter. He also seemed to be driving a lot of the conversation yesterday in a way he typically doesn't.

[Danny]

OK, so go ahead and shoot holes in this but Dannys logic seems very flawed.

I think it is safe to say there are at least 3 wolves. So by Danys logic if there is 1 among the 5 non DV voters there would be at least 2 among the DV voters so the odds of hitting a wold are about the same.

And what if there are four wolves and they split their vote? Or what if there are three and only one voted DV? And even with a 2-1 split, considering I am in the second group, it's still higher odds to hit a wolf. It would be for you too, if you are a villager...

[Lathum]

And what if there are four wolves and they split their vote? Or what if there are three and only one voted DV? And even with a 2-1 split, considering I am in the second group, it's still higher odds to hit a wolf. It would be for you too, if you are a villager...

Well I am not going to assume you are a villager just because you claim to be. I know I am, but that doesn't change the odds enough IMO to just blindly start voting the non DV voters.

[Danny]

Well I am not going to assume you are a villager just because you claim to be. I know I am, but that doesn't change the odds enough IMO to just blindly start voting the non DV voters.

And you shouldn't, but it' safe for me to. In your case, it would be a different set of 4 people. People point out not liking this logic, but aren't going on anything better.

Vote ntndeacon

He hasn't gained too much traction day 1 or 2, so he is on my list of 4 and someone that I want to see if he gets more votes.

[Danny]

You betcha jackal. I was just throwing out a vote eary. I am kind of waiting to see what transpires today from my vote and also to keep a read on someone specific. Didn't want to name names early on to change their pattern in case I did see something.

Its somewhat interesting to see the second vote on you however.

90% chance you later say it turned out to be nothing and never actually gives us any real info.

[Narcizo]

I've been weighing my options all day and I think revealing is the right move here. In a normal game I'd probably hold out a day or two more but given the number of potential saves there are for me I even considered revealing yesterday. I probably would have had I been round when I got 4 votes. I wish I could hold on two or three more hours to find out where all the votes were going today but such is not the lot of the time zonally challenged.

I'm Westley and I scanned Passa last night and he's a wolf. Sorry Pass. :D I'd like to claim that it was a great read I had on you but in reality it was mostly because I thought you were unlikely to be lynched or night killed in the early stages and that it would be useful to have you cleared later in the game.

I won't be voting Passa in case the wolves have the powder and that allows him to challenge me to a battle of wits. I'm not 100% certain that he should be lynched at all. I have 4-5 potential layers of defence which means I might be able to last a decent length of time in the game. But from what I can work out none of those protect me from a brutal attack. So if grandpa is in the game now might be a good time to use your power. If Miracle Max is in the game he should protect me and send me the cloak if he hasn't given it out already. The wolves will know if one of the roles aren't in the game so it might be dangerous to rely on others too much. Luckily I can also protect myself one night and Fezzik is around so he can protect me. In any case I suggest that Fezzik protects me tonight as I don't want to rely on Max being in the game.

[Narcizo]

I probably think we should lynch Passa today because whichever day it's decided we should lynch him will be a bust in terms of voting records and at least this way we have a half-day of records to look at for today. If he's Count Rugen then I probably should have waited a day or two but I didn't want to die in my sleep, as it were, when there are so many layers of protection for me if I reveal.

[Narcizo]

Anyway I refuse to believe that Count Rugen could overcome me in single combat.

[Telle]

Good job on the scan there, Narcizo!

unvote Chief Rum
vote Passacaglia

[Narcizo]

That's flavour really - I asked Eagle if my own protection ability would save me from a brutal attack but the answer was no.

[Danny]

Unvote ntn
Vote Pass

Not much to say, good job

[Narcizo]

Which I might not have wanted to broadcast like I just did. D'oh!

[Narcizo]

The way Pass was going after Packer gives me a lot of trust for PF. I don't think a wolf under no pressure would go after another wolf under little pressure so methodically. It's certainly not the impression of Passa I got the short time we were wolves together. It also tips me towards trusting dacman or his replacement although the trust there isn't quite as strong.

[Danny]

BTW, revealing is a good call. In a medium sized game and with ways to be protected, its worth it for a wolf.

[Chief Rum]

Awesome. :D

UNVOTE MRBUG
VOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Narcizo]

Got to go now. Sorry for killing the day - I would really have liked to hold on 2-3 hours more. Maybe I should move to Iceland or something.

[The Jackal]

Well then

VOTE PASS

[The Jackal]

I don't think I said it earlier btw, I didn't win the iocane.

[ntndeacon]

Unvote Chief
Vote Pass

[ntndeacon]

Any day we can oust a wolf is a good day.

[Autumn]

We've had some nice luck with early scans lately.

<b>unvote telle
vote passacaglia</b>

[Autumn]

That said I'm watching teh kids and won't be posting that much for a while, likely.

[mauchow]

unvote jackal
vote passacaglia

The person I was looking, well, two persons actually. I just had a vibe that Danny and Jackal were kinda working together with how quickly Danny brought up that he was feeling really good about Jackal. So it was funny that Danny started to attack me right away after bringing up that I was going to wait until tonight to bring it up because it was him I was looking at.

Needless to say, sorry about the minimal hoopla it caused. Carry on.

[Danny]

unvote jackal
vote passacaglia

The person I was looking, well, two persons actually. I just had a vibe that Danny and Jackal were kinda working together with how quickly Danny brought up that he was feeling really good about Jackal. So it was funny that Danny started to attack me right away after bringing up that I was going to wait until tonight to bring it up because it was him I was looking at.

Needless to say, sorry about the minimal hoopla it caused. Carry on.

Convenient, and a useless time to try and say something meaningful. Why wouldn't you bring this up early in the day and see how I respond and see if I get some traction for votes? You bring it up now when the vote is decided because we found a wolf.

[Autumn]

This lashing out at Mauboy seems a bit contrived. He didn't want to say anything because, like many villagers do, he wanted to watch and see what his suspects did without them knowing he was watching. The same reason Narc might have held on to see what Pass would do without knowing he'd been scanned. It seems pretty obvious villager play so I'm intrigued that people are making a big deal about it.

[The Jackal]

All I have to say on the matter is that if we were wolves working together there's no way either of us would say "he's #1 on my trust list"

[The Jackal]

I think, Autumn, people never like seeing someone say "I've got a theory" or "I might have some information" and then not wanting to reveal anything. Best case in that situation is probably just to keep it quiet until you've seen what you want to see.

[The Jackal]

dola

because that's often a wolf trying to set a defense tactic up or suggest to people they have a role and shouldn't be voted

i don't think that's what happened in this case, because mau wasn't a target as of yet, but still.. probably globally applies to those kind of comments.

[The Jackal]

FWIW Danny fit into what I was looking at earlier of people who voted in the middle and didn't move it with NTN and Telle. I don't know how much I want to read into that, but I was leaning towards that group with my vote prior to the reveal.

[Danny]

I think, Autumn, people never like seeing someone say "I've got a theory" or "I might have some information" and then not wanting to reveal anything. Best case in that situation is probably just to keep it quiet until you've seen what you want to see.

Exactly, say it or don't say anything at all. Villager or not I don't like it when people say "I might have super secret special info, but that's all I am going to say about it".

[The Jackal]

CF, can I vote for you yet?!

[CrimsonFox]

Why not, you're probably a wolf again. (kidding)

[JAG]

Nice work Narcizo.

Vote Passacaglia

[The Jackal]

Why not, you're probably a wolf again. (kidding)

Honestly I'm surprised I made it past day 1 :D

[mauchow]

Exactly, say it or don't say anything at all. Villager or not I don't like it when people say "I might have super secret special info, but that's all I am going to say about it".

How the fuck am I going to have super secret special info on day one? Jesus. I couldn't have even had a scan yet if I was the seer.

My plan pretty much worked out as I wanted, you jumped on me, as I thought you would. I wanted to see what else would transpire. Not much else did except a strange vote on Jackal from Mr Bug. I never had any real intention of keeping my vote on Jackal.

I don't get the hostility towards people saying what I did. I understand that if 15 people said that per game, it would get very annoying. I'm still learning the game and the little nuances that come with it. Perhaps I don't say anything last night and just let things play out the same as it did.

[The Jackal]

I couldn't have even had a scan yet if I was the seer.

Well sure you could have, you posted after day two started. I'm sure some people were rubbed that way by your post, that you'd scanned me and wanted to see how others would react. But since I'm not a wolf (and you presumably aren't the seer, I can't see Narc lying here), it's a moot point.

No one's gonna blame you for testing a theory, but I think people are always gonna jump on you if you make a post that could be seen as claiming to have info when you don't actually have any.

[PackerFanatic]

Well done, Narc!

UNVOTE MRBUG
VOTE PASS

[mauchow]

I guess that is true but as a seer I'm never going to say what I said and draw that attention. I'm not that dumb; I would do as narc did and let the day play out without saying anything. I should have pointed out that it was a gut feeling which most of my play is.. so..

[Lathum]

Just got home. Grilling for dinner so will be busy past deadline, doesn't look like my vote will matter much.

[Danny]

I guess that is true but as a seer I'm never going to say what I said and draw that attention. I'm not that dumb; I would do as narc did and let the day play out without saying anything. I should have pointed out that it was a gut feeling which most of my play is.. so..

You should vote with it then, take me and my wolf buddy Jackal out the next two days

[The Jackal]

You should vote with it then, take me and my wolf buddy Jackal out the next two days

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? :)

[mauchow]

I did have a bad day so don't mind if I say fuck you Danny.

[Lathum]

Now it feels like werewolf

[Autumn]

Exactly, say it or don't say anything at all. Villager or not I don't like it when people say "I might have super secret special info, but that's all I am going to say about it".

I haven't bothered to go back and read his original post, but I certainly did not get a "super secret info" vibe from it. I took it as him saying, and am pretty sure he did say, that he had an idea and he wanted to see how it turned out. In other words he had a suspicion. That to me is a pretty typical thing to say. People say all the time things like "I've got a couple people who have pinged me" or other vague info. Sure he could have said nothing, but if nobody ever posted this game wouldn't work too well. I just don't get the grief he's getting.

[Danny]

I did have a bad day so don't mind if I say fuck you Danny.

Sorry you are having a bad day. This is a game, I certainly have no ill will towards you.

[EagleFan]

I did have a bad day so don't mind if I say fuck you Danny.

Please keep it civil.

[Danny]

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? :)

I just thought we were had and it was time to give you up with me.

Sorry Jackal, I know I sang you some Rick Astley, but the pressure was too much for me to hold true to my word :D

[EagleFan]

Sorry, running a little late (will still get the results done in time but just catching up with the PM's and the thread).

Thankfully it looks like I won't have to spend too much time counting the lynch votes. Thank you for making that easy. :)

[EagleFan]

CrimsonFox will be taking over for dacman. He was unavailable for tonight but has been keeping up with the thread (and saw that his vote wouldn't matter anyway).

Thanks for stepping up CF.

[Danny]

Ah that's good. Did anyone hear from Dacman? Is he ok and just forgot about the game?

[mauchow]

Sorry you are having a bad day. This is a game, I certainly have no ill will towards you.

Your tone is off and the sarcasm in the previous post isn't appreciated either. I thought you were a cool guy at one point.

[EagleFan]

Hopefully CF checks the thread as his inbox is full so he won't get my PM confirming that he is in.

Heard from dacman, he had forgotten that the game was starting and work has kept him busy. Sounds like everything is okay with him, just busy.

[Lathum]

Your tone is off and the sarcasm in the previous post isn't appreciated either. I thought you were a cool guy at one point.

I don't think Danny was being sarcastic.

[EagleFan]

Ruuuules! We've got rules around here....


Oh wait, wrong WW game. ;)

[Danny]

Your tone is off and the sarcasm in the previous post isn't appreciated either. I thought you were a cool guy at one point.

Again, sorry you are having a bad day. I realize in that circumstance one can take things more personally than they are meant.

When I play I make posts for a reason and sometimes it's good to push some buttons within the game to see how people react. As Lathum pointed out, I am not trying to be sarcastic and since it is getting to you from an out of game perspective, I will back off my in game posts directed towards you.

[mauchow]

I just thought we were had and it was time to give you up with me.

Sorry Jackal, I know I sang you some Rick Astley, but the pressure was too much for me to hold true to my word :D

This isn't sarcasm?

[EagleFan]

deadline

[Danny]

This isn't sarcasm?

This wasn't in reply to you, I quoted Jackal and was responding to and making a joke towards him. If you took it differently, it wasn't meant that way.

[EagleFan]

Gather round!!!

We have found a scoundrel among us!!!

What? We are all scoundrels? Well, in that case what have we found?

Oh well, it doesn't matter what we have found as we have all decided that the one names Passacaglia must die.

He is led to the gallows in tears. No, please don't. Don't you know who I am? I am....

He plunges down as you see Narcizo has pulled the lever before Pass could finish his statement.

You stare in amazement as you find that Passacaglia was...


Prince Humperdink

[EagleFan]

Processing the night actions and will post shortly.

[Danny]

Well that's good. Didn't hit the brutal so Narc should be able to survive a couple nights at least.

[Autumn]

Phew, I'm always a little bit afraid we got snowed somehow at times like that. I guess Pass just didn't even bother posting after being outed.

Humperdink could do what? off to check ...

[Danny]

Look for princess. It now makes a convert much less likely

[Autumn]

Oh, well good news, assuming we have a princess. It marks him as the leader of the wolves, I wonder if there was mechanics behind that or just flavor.

[Danny]

Since there was a humperdink, I think we can assume there is a princess.

[PackerFanatic]

Since there was a humperdink, I think we can assume there is a princess.

Was just gonna post the same.

[EagleFan]

As the night turns to day you find yourselves yet another person short.

If it PackerFantic. His aged body lies still. But wait. He may just be mostly dead? You try to revive him but tragically learn that you shouldn't have allowed Fezzik to perform CPR as he crushes his chest. No longer mostly dead but now completely dead... and then some.

PackerFanatic was Miracle Max.

[PackerFanatic]

What the?! BAH!

[EagleFan]

Day three has begun as you try to sort out the events of the first two days.

[The Jackal]

Well, that's a more expected wolf kill. Pass had singled PF out and he was gonna have at least a medium level of trust for awhile.

Takes a potentially useful mechanic out of the game, but presumably Fezzik is still around.

[Autumn]

Super bummer to lose Max. I'm not sure what made them target PF, he seemed as likely as anyone to get votes. Maybe he slipped a hint about having a role.

[Autumn]

Well, that's a more expected wolf kill. Pass had singled PF out and he was gonna have at least a medium level of trust for awhile.

Takes a potentially useful mechanic out of the game, but presumably Fezzik is still around.

Ah, is that the case? I hadn't had time to look back today, good point. Ah yeah, I see his vote on him now. Hmm, smart play then by the bad guys.

I'm out, see ya'll in the morning most likely.

[The Jackal]

(I never like to see people get genuinely upset from playing this game, so I hope everything smooths over here. We all have bad days, I do believe Danny was genuinely sorry that you had one mau, and his joking post was directed at me and I didn't detect any slight towards you. We all have had to put up with people being in-game aggressive towards each other, it's a definite part of werewolf, but just try and relax. It's tough to keep a positive outlook when you have a crappy day and a game makes you annoyed, but just remember it takes a lot more effort to be pissed off then it does to smile)

[The Jackal]

Ah, is that the case? I hadn't had time to look back today, good point. Ah yeah, I see his vote on him now. Hmm, smart play then by the bad guys.

I'm out, see ya'll in the morning most likely.

Yeah I believe Narc pointed it out earlier that PF was gonna get a raise in trust. I think people were rightfully going to check him out after his questionable late vote, so it was an easy thing for Pass to latch on to, but he couldn't have had any idea he'd been scanned at that point, so those were bonus points for PF. Ah well, 'twas a good kill. Hopefully Narc got another wolf. We probably won't find out for a few more hours.

[Danny]

Barring what info Narc can provide us, with 1 wolf found on Darth, I think the line of thinking of looking at the non Darth voters is a solid place to go today

[Narcizo]

Meh! Should have let Fezzik protect Packer as he was the obvious next choice. I wasn't sure Miracle Max would be in the game though. Result about getting Humperdink though. I'm going to hold onto the night's result for the time being.

[Narcizo]

Day One

#98 12:39 Autumn votes Darth Vilus (1)
#102 01:59 Narcizo votes Darth Vilus (2)
#108 08:49 JAG votes Chief Rum (1)
#109 08:51 Packer votes Narcizo (1)
#124 11:18 Jackal votes Chief Rum (2)
#125 11:51 mau votes Narcizo (2)
#126 11:57 Bhlloy votes Chief Rum (3)

#138 13:39 Lathum votes Bhlloy (1)
#139 13:53 MrBug votes Autumn (1)
#140 13:54 JAG unvotes Chief Rum (2)
#143 14:18 Jackal unvotes Chief Rum (1)
#143 14:18 Jackal votes Bhlloy (2)
#144 14:18 Bhlloy unvotes Chief Rum (0)
#144 14:18 Bhlloy votes Ntndeacon (1)

#165 16:10 Ntndeacon votes Bhlloy (3)
#170 18:24 Passacaglia votes Darth Vilus (3)
#172 18:40 Darth Vilus votes Narcizo (3)
#190 19:13 Chief Rum votes Darth Vilus (4)
#192 19:23 MrBug unvotes Autumn (0)
#192 19:23 MrBug votes Narcizo (4)
#196 19:46 JAG votes Bhlloy (4)

#199 20:00 Danny votes Bhlloy (5)
#201 20:10 Telle votes Darth Vilus (5)
#217 20:45 Darth Vilus unvotes Narcizo (3)
#217 20:45 Darth Vilus votes Bhlloy (6)
#221 20:58 mau unvotes Narcizo (2)
#221 20:58 Mau votes Darth Vilus (6)

#223 21:03 Jackal unvotes Bhlloy (5)
#223 21:03 Jackal votes Darth Vilus (7)
#225 21:32 Bhlloy unvotes Ntndeacon (0)
#225 21:32 Bhlloy votes Darth Vilus (8)
#226 21:35 Packer unvotes Narcizo (1)
#226 21:35 Packer votes Darth Vilus (9)

Darth Vilus 9 - Autumn (98), Narcizo (102), Passacaglia (170), Chief Rum (190), Telle (201), mauboy1 (221), The Jackal (223), bhlloy (225), PackerFanatic (226)
bhlloy 5 - Lathum (138), ntndeacon (165), JAG (196), Danny (199), Darth Vilus (217)
Narcizo 1 - MrBug 708 (192)

[Narcizo]

Day Two

#263 22:36 Danny votes Autumn (1)
#268 22:41 Autumn votes MrBug (1)
#277 22:50 mauboy votes Jackal (1)
#282 22:55 Danny unvotes Autumn (0)
#282 22:55 Danny votes mauboy (1)
#305 03:45 Narcizo votes ntndeacon (1)
#306 04:24 Danny unvotes mauboy (0)

#309 08:51 Passacaglia votes Crimson Fox (1)
#311 09:44 ntndeacon votes Chief Rum (1)
#328 10:35 Chief Rum votes MrBug (2)
#334 10:47 Packer votes MrBug (3)
#344 11:03 MrBug votes Jackal (2)
#349 11:13 Passacaglia unvotes Crimson Fox (0)
#349 11:13 Passacaglia votes Packer (1)
#371 13:42 Autumn unvotes MrBug (2)
#371 13:42 Autumn votes Telle (1)
#372 14:14 Telle votes Chief Rum (2)
#376 15:37 Danny votes ntndeacon (2)

Narcizo reveals.

MrBug708 2 - Chief Rum (328), PackerFanatic (334)
The Jackal 2 - mauboy1 (277), MrBug708 (344)
ntndeacon 2 - Narcizo (305), Danny (376)
PackerFanatic 1 - Passacaglia (349)
Chief Rum 2 - ntndeacon (311), Telle (372)
Telle 1 - Autumn (371)

No Vote before reveal: Lathum, Crimson Fox, JAG, Jackal

[CrimsonFox]

Yes I filled up my mailbox so you couldn't mail me EF. It was a plot. (feels like last game)

Hi Narcizo. Long time no see.

[Narcizo]

Hello Crimson. Planning on nightfall voting a blatant villager this game? :p

[CrimsonFox]

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!

[CrimsonFox]

nightfall narcizo

[CrimsonFox]

Now it feels like werewolf

+1

We haven't had a good "FUCK YOU" in a long time.

[MrBug708]

Well well

[CrimsonFox]

...well?

[Danny]

Crimson, one more post and you pass ntn

[CrimsonFox]

like that's hard...

[Danny]

That's what she said

[Passacaglia]

Hey guys, I'm back! What did I miss?

[Passacaglia]

Oh.

[The Jackal]

Well well

Once again your insightful posting is a beacon of light to us all

[The Jackal]

Non-DV voter who voted in the middle, kept his vote there, and is very UTR. An UTR type of performance we've come to expect, but still.

VOTE NTN

[Narcizo]

Oh.

:D

You little fibber. You were around when I revealed. Really wish you'd been a villager Pass - wanted you to be around a long time in this game.

I realise I haven't been my usual self today but work has been unexpectedly and unwelcomly existent despite the fact that most of Sweden closes down later-July/early-Autumn.

[Autumn]

I think it was posted last page, but since I just colored it, and I want it on this page:

Darth Vilus 9 - Autumn (98), Narcizo (102), Passacaglia (170), Chief Rum (190), Telle (201), mayboy1 (221), The Jackal (223), bhlloy (225), PackerFanatic (226)
bhlloy 5 - Lathum (138), ntndeacon (165), JAG (196), Danny (199), Darth Vilus (217)
Narcizo 1 - MrBug 708 (192)

Oh and yes I color myself blue in my own things, ignore that.

[Autumn]

Pass fit my voting choice of yesterday, which was someone in the middle of the Darth votes. I had chosen Telle instead, but that kind of takes away my reasoning for that vote. I'm not sure where I'll go today.

[Narcizo]

I have been worrying about saving my own neck. :) It strikes me that if Vizzini finds Inigo then my days will be very limited. In fact, even if I get offed at some stage Vizzini finding Inigo is bad news for the village. So I'm wondering if whoever is Inigo has checked with Eagle what happens if he uses his duke power. Can Vizzini still steal the power if Inigo has already used it? If not then I suggest Inigo uses it up as soon as possible. This will give the additional advantage of him being able to reveal afterwards and clear himself, giving us a cleared villager.

It would be nice and I'd be thankful if everyone could find the time to put in a vote before around 15:00 EST or so today.

[Passacaglia]

:D

You little fibber. You were around when I revealed. Really wish you'd been a villager Pass - wanted you to be around a long time in this game.

I realise I haven't been my usual self today but work has been unexpectedly and unwelcomly existent despite the fact that most of Sweden closes down later-July/early-Autumn.

Sort of. I'd been away from my desk when you revealed, but I popped in for a quick check before leaving the office. So I was only 'mostly gone' :p

[Lathum]

I have been worrying about saving my own neck. :) It strikes me that if Vizzini finds Inigo then my days will be very limited. In fact, even if I get offed at some stage Vizzini finding Inigo is bad news for the village. So I'm wondering if whoever is Inigo has checked with Eagle what happens if he uses his duke power. Can Vizzini still steal the power if Inigo has already used it? If not then I suggest Inigo uses it up as soon as possible. This will give the additional advantage of him being able to reveal afterwards and clear himself, giving us a cleared villager.

It would be nice and I'd be thankful if everyone could find the time to put in a vote before around 15:00 EST or so today.

I could get behind this but the duke would have to duke it to the person the village wanted lynched, I am not a fan of one person deciding the lynch vote at this stage.

[ntndeacon]

A couple of thoughts. I was looking at the pairs of voter-votee from early in day one, while trying to think of a wolf trying to vote for another to give themself a little camoflauge. And I was struck by MrBug's vote on Autumn. Unfortunately Autumn's vote on MrBug on day 2 before the reveal has lessed that connection in my head. if both were wolves would they be so closely tied?
My second thought deals with the voters of Chief Rum in day one. I think that too is a viable place to go wolf hunting.
Secondly,

[ntndeacon]

A couple of thoughts. I was looking at the pairs of voter-votee from early in day one, while trying to think of a wolf trying to vote for another to give themself a little camoflauge. And I was struck by MrBug's vote on Autumn. Unfortunately Autumn's vote on MrBug on day 2 before the reveal has lessed that connection in my head. if both were wolves would they be so closely tied?
My second thought deals with the voters of Chief Rum in day one. I think that too is a viable place to go wolf hunting.
Secondly,

Well the secondly referred to my second thought.

[Autumn]

You mean how JAG and Jackal voted Chief early and then unvoted?

[MrBug708]

Once again your insightful posting is a beacon of light to us all

I make no claim to being a good werewolf player :)

[The Jackal]

You mean how JAG and Jackal voted Chief early and then unvoted?

Yep I think that's exactly what he means.

[The Jackal]

JAG hasn't been very vocal this game, but maybe I'm just used to all of his posts being about me

[ntndeacon]

yes that was what I meant

[EagleFan]

As of post 477:

ntndeacon 1 - The Jackal (464)

[The Jackal]

So the one cleared player asks for votes and this is what happens. Narc is gonna be pissed. :)

[EagleFan]

What is that sound you hear in the distance?

The thundering of hoolves?

The sound magnifies as they get closer...

There is a chill in the air. Everything goes silent. You can feel it in the pit of your stomach, it is the wait that is killing you...

Then you see it...

[The Jackal]

Bull moose special?!

[ntndeacon]

I kinda want to have a vote in before Eagle's reveal. This goes to my earlier posts.


Vote Jackal

[Autumn]

All right, in an attempt to find a vote, here's a look at the beginning of voting yesterday, up until Passacaglia makes his switch to PF. I'm going to look at this with the assumption that there's some reason Pass moves his vote (the basic idea being I assume that he knew there was going to be no traction on Dacman).

danny votes autumn 1
autumn votes mrbug 1-1
mauboy votes jackal 1-1-1
danny unvotes autumn 1-1
danny votes mauboy 1-1-1
narc votes ntn 1-1-1-1
danny unvotes mauboy 1-1-1
pass votes dacman 1-1-1-1
ntn votes chief 1-1-1-1-1
chief votes mrbug 2-1-1-1-1
pf votes mrbug 3-1-1-1-1
mrbug votes jackal 3-2-1-1-1
pass unvotes dacman 3-2-1-1
pass votes pf 3-2-1-1-1

So at the point Pass unvotes it's 3-2-1-1-1, Mr.Bug 3, Jackal 2, dacman 1, chief 1, ntn 1

Pass removes dacman, knowing that's not going anywhere. He doesn't pile on to Mrbug, and he doesn't push Jackal up into a tie. But he also doesn't vote for Chief or NTN to push them into contender status. I find all of that interesting.

If all of those players were villagers, I would think Pass votes for one of them. Maybe not Mrbug, or even Jackal, as those are ballsier moves for a wolf, but probably NTN or Chief, little risk, and still a relevant vote.

If Mr. Bug, or Jackal, were a wolf, and I was a wolf, I would be wary of voting for the opposite one, it's a bit too obvious of a save. But I would definitely go with NTN or Chief to at least lessen the chances of my fellow wolf being lynched.

Now if Mr. Bug and Jackal were villagers, but one or both of NTN and Chief were bad, I would add a new target, maybe. Still though, even if one of them were bad, I can't see why Pass wouldn't go for the other one.

Those who maybe have been reading back through Pass's posts, or have a good sense of them, had he backed himself into a corner with any of these candidates, where he couldn't legitimately vote them?

If not, I have to think there's at least one wolf among those four to explain Pass's voting there. Thoughts?

[Autumn]

Great, my post is about to get totally eclipsed.

[EagleFan]

The spectacle of the wagon, the glorious looking horses pulling it down the road; all make you stop in awe of what you are witnessing.

Then a man steps out and declares that he has a potion which can help you live a thousand years. Everyone pushes forward to hear more.

Why with this potion you will never lose your youthful glow. You'll be chopping down trees with one single blow. You will be strong and agile, and maybe even wear argyle. Please tell me have you seen it....

[ntndeacon]

now that I think furthur on it, if there was a wolf on wolf vote on day one, I really shouldn't be voting for a voter but a votee. That would do more to verify or invalidate my idea. So with that in mind...

Unvote Jackal
Vote Chief

[Autumn]

You're losing me, EF.

[EagleFan]

As of post 486:

ntndeacon 1 - The Jackal (464)
Chief Rum 1 - ntndeacon (486)

[The Jackal]

Anybody want a peanut?

[EagleFan]

Anybody want a peanut?

That's right my good man. Now tell the gentleman what he has won...

[EagleFan]

Wait, this is just a snake oil salesman. I guess you have won a bottle of sugar water. At least it will keep you from being thirsty.

[EagleFan]

:D

Sorry, had to amuse myself while on lunch break.

[Autumn]

ah, got it

[CrimsonFox]

YAY rhymes

[The Jackal]

In reference to your post, Autumn, it makes me think one of NTN/Chief is a wolf. I'm not sure which, but at that point the two votes on me were spurious, and others were declaring I was fairly trusted, while the votes on Bug weren't very solid either. I think voting for one of me/Bug wouldn't have looked great for him so he chose a target he knew was a villager that he could develop a good reason for voting on.

[EagleFan]

they happen all the times.

[The Jackal]

Tequila is good with limes

[CrimsonFox]

Up the mountain jackal climbs

[The Jackal]

he crosses to france and finds some mimes

[EagleFan]

just don't drink it with mimes.