WW - The Princess Bride (Game Over - Wolves Win)

[mauchow]

Mauboy, may I humbly suggest you stay where you are even if no one moves?

I seriously thought about it.. I don't want to have the 50% chance of a conversion.

[Autumn]

Mauboy please move back.

[Autumn]

Yeah, it would be bad, and we might surpprise the wolves this way for the night kill.

[mauchow]

No, telle. Autum would pull off me which would be 4-3-2, we'd need two more people to switch to jackal.. but obviously, too late.

[mauchow]

aye aye..

[JAG]

Unvote Autumn
Vote mauboy

[mauchow]

I want too but I don't wanna fuck it up for the village if you are a wolf after all.

[Autumn]

Thank you, JAG.

[JAG]

Pretty convinced mau is a wolf after the past 30 mins or so.

[mauchow]

There ya go, Jag did it for you.

[The Jackal]

Shenanigans!

[mauchow]

You're wrong, good luck Village.

[The Jackal]

Did it end up in a tie?

[JAG]

And I would not be surprised if Jackal was one of his partners.

[Telle]

No tie.. mauboy is up by 1.

[mauchow]

No, I got the 5-4 double switch.

[Lathum]

what just happened?

[Autumn]

Action!

[CrimsonFox]

sorry autumn I actually had thought of doing that then was busy for the past half hour and forgot. You honestly haven't been pinging me...you know....like you usually do ;). But definitely I've been very confused in who to vote for. My spidey sense is very broken. Let's hope I at least get a scan right.

[Autumn]

EF, you're killing the excitement here.

[CrimsonFox]

And here JAG has been pinging me nonstop and he's the one that saves you. Nothing adds up in this game.

[Telle]

So, what, the one night I decide to stay up and wait for results, EF is nowhere to be found?

[hoopsguy]

As a semi-interested bystander, I love seeing the late ninja vote to swing things to the other candidate. Looking forward to seeing factions on this one at the end and figuring out what the heck was going on.

[CrimsonFox]

And I mainly switched to autumn to begin with so that it didn't turn out to be a runaway on mau which seemed to be happening.
Setting up the 4-4 seemed a good idea. But then it added pressure to me to make up my mind. Danny had suspicion of Autumn before leaving. Despite not pinging me it could be where to look, but mau's voting and attitude are classic mau wolf.
The whole big crazy thing he always does. (including the fuck you)

[Autumn]

We're conspiring to keep you up later Telle. It's a party!

[Autumn]

Frankly, I have no clue if Mauboy is bad or not. He seemed to be acting more out of concern that I might be good than trying to save his skin, but he might have just been afraid of a last minute hijink like this and trying to prevent it.

[Autumn]

This would be a great time to find out that that wolf that can move votes is in the game and screwed with the result.

[CrimsonFox]

funny he seemed to be the CAUSE of the hijinks.

[Telle]

Ah, consipracy.. I should have suspected!

[JAG]

And I mainly switched to autumn to begin with so that it didn't turn out to be a runaway on mau which seemed to be happening.
Setting up the 4-4 seemed a good idea. But then it added pressure to me to make up my mind. Danny had suspicion of Autumn before leaving. Despite not pinging me it could be where to look, but mau's voting and attitude are classic mau wolf.
The whole big crazy thing he always does. (including the fuck you)

We think along the same lines. Even towards the end as I was sure I was going to switch to mau, I held my vote on Autumn as long as I could in case mau had a fellow wolf voting him for fear they would get a switch in and still lynch Autumn.

[CrimsonFox]

this phrase enters my mind, "Well EVERYONE can't be lying!!!", (can they?)

[mauchow]

lol

[CrimsonFox]

I would honestly not be surprised if every single charecter in this game had unpublished win conditions.

[Telle]

I would honestly not be surprised if every single charecter in this game had unpublished win conditions.

Why.. do YOU have unpublished win conditions?

[mauchow]

i love this movie...

sad to stop playin

[Autumn]

You're still invited to rhyme ... if you have the time.

[mauchow]

it was supposed to be your death instead it's mine!

[mauchow]

i guess its just a sign

[mauchow]

i should have been more aggressive, gone in a bee-line

[mauchow]

i don't think i'm playin the next game, unless i change my mind

[The Jackal]

i already had time to play a game of trivial pursuit! glad i did too, i'd be reloading too much

[CrimsonFox]

THAT DOESN'T RHYME JACKAL!

[The Jackal]

damn, now i have to pay a fine

[mauchow]

I'm the last one remaining to watch my own villager death. I'll see it in the morning then.

[Autumn]

We're all waiting for you to leave for EF to post it, less uncomfortable that way ;-)

[Autumn]

I'm out too, most likely. Check in when I can in the AM

[EagleFan]

Sorry folks, had a headache and laid down for what was going to just be a couple minutes and fell asleep.

Catching up and results to follow.

[The Jackal]

Take an advil, just one swallow

[CrimsonFox]

LITTLE, YELLOW, DIFFERENT.

[CrimsonFox]

What is it about werewolf that makes people sick and have to go lie down? LOL

[The Jackal]

LITTLE, YELLOW, DIFFERENT.

CF's brain has gone hollow

[EagleFan]

It is decided after debating among two that mauboy1 is the best choice today. He will be your lynch and he will get you closer to ridding the town of this evil mennace.

He is strung up and offers little resistence. As the lever is about to be pulled he looks straight forward and says "We really suck". Soon he is swinging motionless.

You start to search him and find that he is a vanilla villager.

[CrimsonFox]

Take an advil, just one swallow

Shame Jackal, you've gotten really shallow.

[EagleFan]

Processing Night Results, will be a couple minutes.

[The Jackal]

Shame Jackal, you've gotten really shallow.

at least i'm not a purple, fluffy marshmallow

[The Jackal]

Mau's allegiance is a bummer, he didn't deserve the gallows

[CrimsonFox]

Why is it, the wolves you follow?

[JAG]

Alright, well I blew it with that call. I'd have to think it's a lock Autumn is a wolf now.

[EagleFan]

You wake the next day and notice that another is missing. Who can it be?

MrBug708 cannot be found. You find him sleeping peacefully...

But wait, he is not breathing. You turn him over and notice he has been slashed through the heart.

MrBug708 was a vanilla villager.

[CrimsonFox]

scrfew you jag, you're a wolf.

[EagleFan]

day six has begun

[Telle]

Well.. that was an unexpected night kill.

[JAG]

Bug was a bit out there for an NK. Take out an uncleared vs. an unknown? Trying to avoid the BG? Thought he was the Princess?

Vote Autumn

Pretty sure Autumn is a lock for a wolf now.

[CrimsonFox]

in fact, you're both wolves putting on you're little girlie play. Ebert and Roeper give it two thumbs down.

[CrimsonFox]

double vote JAG/Autumn

It's my special power. :)

[EagleFan]

As of 1315:

Autumn 1 - JAG (1313)

[CrimsonFox]

nothing to do now but wait for words of wisdom from narcizo. can't wait for this...

[MrBug708]

Sad :(

[CrimsonFox]

Vote JAG

A JAG/Autumn runoff sounds fun. At least we're 100% assured.

[CrimsonFox]

Narcizo SAY something. :) Are you stunned?

[Narcizo]

Well I guess that means there were only 3 wolves to start (I think). I guess there might be three left and then we'll lose if we lynch the Count, a villager or Buttercup is killed (which she will be if there's 3 wolves left).

So OK no point worrying about that eventuality. Is there any way we can save Buttercup if there are two wolves, including the Count. Lynch Vizzini today, hope that Fezzik can protect Buttercup tonight, lynch the Count tomorrow. Would that be game over there and then, or does the brutal kick in with the chance of the conversion if they hit Buttercup?

Of course there's the small matter of finding the two wolves as well, and deciding which one is the Count. Gotta say that I'm agreeing with Crimson about the JAG/Autumn pairing, so based on my form this game that means it's Lathum/Jackal.

[Narcizo]

OK Autumn isn't the Count. That's the last scan I can make as Inigo, apparently. You got any trendy new powers you can use Crimson?

[CrimsonFox]

Yeah I think we'll be kinda screwed. I think it might be stacked against us if there are 4 wolves. I can't remember if EF likes to uberfill with wolves or not. Then again there were only 15 signups was it? That might be a 3 wolf case since buttercup can be converted and vizzini can mess with people. Otherwise Lathum/Jackal has to be the 4th wolf.

[CrimsonFox]

OK Autumn isn't the Count. That's the last scan I can make as Inigo, apparently. You got any trendy new powers you can use Crimson?

THANK You man. I was waiting for you to say that! :)

[CrimsonFox]

Jag is most definitely a wolf. He was signalling that he was buttercup a couple days back saying "it would be good of the village if I wasn't lynched. You have to trust me". That was STRONGLY signalling that he was buttercup. I scanned him last night to see if he was buttercup and he most assuredly is NOT buttercup.

oh yeah, villager in case you are confused, I am the Dread Pirate Roberts. Narcizo gave it to me the night before.

[CrimsonFox]

Narcizo, did you simply scan me to give me Dread Pirate Roberts? Is that all it took?

[CrimsonFox]

So if there are 3 wolves, Jag HAS to be the Count. It isn't Autumn or Lathum. Bug is dead. Mau dead. Telle fezzik. If jackal is a wolf he could be the count but that's a 4 wolf scenario. Best go with what we have right now.
Autumn is probably Vazzini.

[Narcizo]

Autumn was pretty much revealing as Buttercup as well last night. My guess his argument is going to be that he did it so late that the wolves didn't catch it or that JAG left his vote move so late that they thought he was going to get lynched.

Killing Mr "You Really Don't Want To Kill Me" Bug suggests that they were Buttercup hunting though. And I don't buy the wolves not using a conditional in case Autumn is saved.

[Narcizo]

Narcizo, did you simply scan me to give me Dread Pirate Roberts? Is that all it took?

Yeah.

JAG was my conditional scan last night. Wish I'd made him my main scan.

[CrimsonFox]

Gotta say that I'm agreeing with Crimson about the JAG/Autumn pairing, so based on my form this game that means it's Lathum/Jackal.

WHAT has to be Lathum/Jackal? The Count? No Lathum can NOT be the count. I scanned him as my first scan as Inigo.

If there are 4 wolves, Jackal could could be the count. But with a possible conversion, I would say that we should assume 3 wolves perhaps and go with JAG as Count, Autumn as Vazzini.

One vanilla left I guess? Obviously Grampa is not in the game. :P

[CrimsonFox]

Yeah.

JAG was my conditional scan last night. Wish I'd made him my main scan.


Well that proves it then. I scanned Jag last night, but I'm still the Dread Pirate Roberts. Obviously the dread pirate roberts can not pass the DPR onto a wolf as that would mean he would become a wolf. Makes sense.

[Narcizo]

Does anything other than a JAG/Autumn or Jackal/Lathum wolf pairing make sense?

Assuming Autumn is a villager then there's no way JAG is a wolf switching his vote like that to save someone who is basically revealing as Buttercup. So if Autumn is a villager then Jackal/Lathum must be the remaining wolves.

Can Autumn be a wolf and JAG a villager. Yes, it's possible I suppose but JAG's voting yesterday speaks of him giving his best shot at saving Autumn. But if Autumn is a wolf but not the Count that means Jackal would have to be the Count and his vote was on Autumn.

So to answer myself then, no, anything other than a JAG/Autumn or Lathum/Jackal pairing makes no sense.

[Narcizo]

Well that proves it then. I scanned Jag last night, but I'm still the Dread Pirate Roberts. Obviously the dread pirate roberts can not pass the DPR onto a wolf as that would mean he would become a wolf. Makes sense.

What?

One (or possibly both) of us is confused at the moment.

[CrimsonFox]

when did autumn reveal as buttercup?

[CrimsonFox]

What?

One (or possibly both) of us is confused at the moment.

You just told me that the way you turned ME into the Dread Pirate Roberts was scanning me. Right?

[Narcizo]

Vote Autumn

Leave the brutal to last. I strongly advise Fezzik to protect either Jackal or Lathum.

[Narcizo]

when did autumn reveal as buttercup?

Read the last five minutes before the lynch - why would a vanilla villager try to convince someone who could be a wolf that not lynching him was a good idea?

[Narcizo]

You just told me that the way you turned ME into the Dread Pirate Roberts was scanning me. Right?

Yeah but I was told that scanning you would turn you in the Confused Pirate Roberts.

[CrimsonFox]

Well _I_ scanned JAG as DPR. So that would mean that I SHOULD have given the DPR onto him and taken whatever HIS role is. But I didn't. I'm still the DPR. Which means there's a reason I didn't lose DPR and that reason I think is that he is a wolf and the DPR cannot switch places with a wolf.

[CrimsonFox]

Which would make sense cause if a wolf become DPR he could just blab who the other wolves are and not care.

[Narcizo]

Read the last five minutes before the lynch - why would a vanilla villager try to convince someone who could be a wolf that not lynching him was a good idea?

It was a desperate attempt to try and save JAG from having to expose himself. If Autumn could convince mau to sacrifice himself, or someone else to save him then JAG would have looked golden with his late vote onto Autumn.

[CrimsonFox]

Yeah but I was told that scanning you would turn you in the Confused Pirate Roberts.


Haha it ACTUALLY said Confuswed Pirate Roberts? I thouight you were making a joke. It seems then that EF was making a joke then. :)

Now villagers note that the wolves will probably try to make a tie today. That means no lynch right?

[Narcizo]

Well _I_ scanned JAG as DPR. So that would mean that I SHOULD have given the DPR onto him and taken whatever HIS role is. But I didn't. I'm still the DPR. Which means there's a reason I didn't lose DPR and that reason I think is that he is a wolf and the DPR cannot switch places with a wolf.

I thought you were scanning for Buttercup?

[CrimsonFox]

It was a desperate attempt to try and save JAG from having to expose himself. If Autumn could convince mau to sacrifice himself, or someone else to save him then JAG would have looked golden with his late vote onto Autumn.

Ohhhhh I had no idea what the hell that meant. Was very cryptic and trying to save himself. But in the light of NOW I find it all bullshit.

[Narcizo]

Oh, I see. Well that's all a bit more information than we needed to give the wolves then.

[CrimsonFox]

I thought you were scanning for Buttercup?

I WAS scanning for Buttercup. But from what I understand about the DPR is that his scans are what moves the DPR status from one person to the next. Before Danny was scanning for Wesley. And that's what moved it from him to you. I'm just now scanning for Buttercup. The game and role is the same, just who DPR scans for has changed.

[CrimsonFox]

Oh, I see. Well that's all a bit more information than we needed to give the wolves then.

Why? Jag knows he's not buttercup. :)

At this point we need to tell the villagers EVERYTHING.

[Narcizo]

Anyway - yeah. Can't see past Autumn and JAG being the wolves. Autumn isn't the Count so JAG must be (or Jackal if there's three wolves left). If Autumn and JAG are the wolves then we want to take out the non-brutal first. So - Autumn. If Lathum and Jackal are the wolves then we've lost because I doubt that any amount of arguing is going to convince me or Crimson to move.

[CrimsonFox]

unvote jag
vote autumn

[Narcizo]

I suppose we're going to get JAG or Autumn arguing that I have been steering this today for my own nefarious schemes.

Well, Ya-boo at that.

Note to self: In future, listen to Danny when you're sure he's a villager.

[CrimsonFox]

*starts playing sappy Disney music and singing "Listen to your heart"*

[CrimsonFox]

well to be fair, danny wanted ntn killed :)

[Autumn]

As I suggested to Mauboy last night, lynching me would be a bad idea. I am in fact Princess Buttercup. I tried to avoid saying so, and not hinting until the last second last night because I hoped to avoid the wolves having time to change their night kill. I can't wriggle out of a lynch twice in a row though, so I don't see anything to do but just reveal and hope we can make this work somehow.

In my defense, I think a wolf fake revealing would have done it straight out with 30-40 minutes left yesterday when there were plenty of people who would have moved their votes, especially knowing that my opponent was a villager.

Regardless, we know Buttercup is in the game, and if a wolf wants to counter reveal they can go right ahead.

[Autumn]

Narc and CF, please clarify for my timeline what happened with you. When did Narc change places with CF?

[Autumn]

Does anything other than a JAG/Autumn or Jackal/Lathum wolf pairing make sense?

Assuming Autumn is a villager then there's no way JAG is a wolf switching his vote like that to save someone who is basically revealing as Buttercup. So if Autumn is a villager then Jackal/Lathum must be the remaining wolves.

I agree, it's hard to imagine a wolf JAG making that move. He could just say he found what I was saying suspicious and leave his vote there.

[Autumn]

Jag is most definitely a wolf. He was signalling that he was buttercup a couple days back saying "it would be good of the village if I wasn't lynched. You have to trust me". That was STRONGLY signalling that he was buttercup. I scanned him last night to see if he was buttercup and he most assuredly is NOT buttercup.

oh yeah, villager in case you are confused, I am the Dread Pirate Roberts. Narcizo gave it to me the night before.

All your scan proved was that JAG wasn't buttercup, correct? If he was a vanilla villager, you wouldn't switch with him.

[Autumn]

All your scan proved was that JAG wasn't buttercup, correct? If he was a vanilla villager, you wouldn't switch with him.

So, assuming Telle is really Fezzik, two out of Jackal, Lathum and JAG are wolves. I don't think JAG's our best guess based on last night, though I don't consider it impossible. So I will be voting Jackal again.

<b>VOTE THE JACKAL</b>

[EagleFan]

Well that proves it then. I scanned Jag last night, but I'm still the Dread Pirate Roberts. Obviously the dread pirate roberts can not pass the DPR onto a wolf as that would mean he would become a wolf. Makes sense.

The DPR scan does not turn the target into DPR unless that target is the specific DPR objective.

[The Jackal]

Nice try Autumn. I am in fact Princess Buttercup. I was surprised you didn't reveal last night to save your neck, but your plan of pushing people towards mauboy worked in the end.

Protect me tonight if you can Telle!

VOTE AUTUMN

[The Jackal]

My poor Westley has been dead all this time. Damn you scoundrel Dread Pirate Roberts! I even dropped the hint about wanting DPR out last night as a bit of game flavor and to setup because I knew Autumn would reveal as Buttercup eventually.

[Narcizo]

That's interesting Jackal - don't really think you needed to reveal. I guess it boils down to the mechanics of how the brutal ability works.

Eagle - if the Count is the last wolf and he orders the killing of Buttercup would the conversion go through before the village win for killing the last wolf or does the conversion happen first so there is still a wolf in the game?

Anyway Jackal how did you know that it would be Autumn revealing and not mau? How did you know Autumn was a wolf? I thought it was the best shot but I was far from convinced.

[Narcizo]

In my defense, I think a wolf fake revealing would have done it straight out with 30-40 minutes left yesterday when there were plenty of people who would have moved their votes, especially knowing that my opponent was a villager.


Dunno about that - if you're a wolf then you've always got Jag swtiching votes up your sleeve to save you if need be. Better to leave it to the last moment to try and turn mau or Jackal around and let you argue that the wolves didn't take you out because they didn't realise in time. I don't know why you weren't explicit in revealing though.

[The Jackal]

I didn't want Autumn to get away with it, I figured there was a chance people would believe him with no counter, and the longer I waited to counter the more wolfy it would sound.

I was never very convinced that mau was a wolf, it's why my vote was on Autumn all of yesterday and I never switched even though I was wrong in my depiction of how Autumn had been playing. I couldn't be 100% positive, its true, but I figured one of them was a wolf and if the villager died the other would be revealing because they'd likely be lynched today.

[Narcizo]

I switched with Crimson on night four, which is why he didn't get a scan result that night. He revealed at the lynch on day three so that was the first chance I got to switch with him.

[Autumn]

Guys, I made pretty clear I was Buttercup last night, without doing it so much to necessarily save my hide. That's a reveal you should buy, not Jackal jumping on it now that we've narrowed the two wolves down to him and Lathum. He's got nothing to lose now. If he manages to trick the village into lynching me and Telle protecting him, they've got a win.

[The Jackal]

Autumn if you were actually buttercup you'd be dead. Sure you suggested strongly, but why wouldn't you if you could prolong the game another day. There's no way they'd hit bug if you were actually buttercup. They just had to decide between the rest of us!

[The Jackal]

They/you and your partner/whatever

[Autumn]

Dunno about that - if you're a wolf then you've always got Jag swtiching votes up your sleeve to save you if need be. Better to leave it to the last moment to try and turn mau or Jackal around and let you argue that the wolves didn't take you out because they didn't realise in time. I don't know why you weren't explicit in revealing though.

I wasn't explicit because I wanted to try to slide by the lynch without having to reveal. The only way this role helps is if I make it to the end, the only way I can make it to the end is if nobody ever finds out who I am. When Mauboy started switching his vote around I held on to my reveal, hoping that I would squeak by somehow. Explicitly revealing, especially with our bodyguard gone for deadline, would have been a horrible idea.

[Narcizo]

Well I think we had all pretty much worked out that a wolf with his neck on the block is going to reveal as the Princess at this stage. Your reveal is pretty much how I expect a wolf would try to play it.

I thought that Lathum was the Princess this morning.

[The Jackal]

I would hope if the count is the last wolf and lynched the conversion wouldn't happen. That'd be fairly silly. It would be pure guesswork and not really werewolf.

[Autumn]

Autumn if you were actually buttercup you'd be dead. Sure you suggested strongly, but why wouldn't you if you could prolong the game another day. There's no way they'd hit bug if you were actually buttercup. They just had to decide between the rest of us!

That's silly, I didn't say anything suggesting I was buttercup until about three minutes to deadline. Bug is dead because a wolf didn't have time to change the kill.

[The Jackal]

That's silly, I didn't say anything suggesting I was buttercup until about three minutes to deadline. Bug is dead because a wolf didn't have time to change the kill.

Most of us were around at the deadline, I don't buy that at all. But it's not for me to buy anyways.

[Autumn]

If you guys lose by lynching me that will be the most embarrassing villager loss ever. I suppose there's a 50% chance it won't hurt as bad. But the rule of thumb in Werewolf is the first one to reveal is usually telling the truth.

Narc, you're thinking that if I was a wolf obviously I'd fake reveal this morning. But think about it the other way. If I'm Buttercup, what would I have done differently?

[Autumn]

Most of us were around at the deadline, I don't buy that at all. But it's not for me to buy anyways.

Most of you wolves? I don't believe that.

[Autumn]

Mauboy, may I humbly suggest you stay where you are even if no one moves?

This is my first hint that I am Buttercup. It came at 9:58 p.m.

[Autumn]

Mauboy please move back.

This is at 9:59.

[The Jackal]

To humor you, in the case that you actually were buttercup, I think it would've been a much better idea to reveal earlier in the day. Why risk dying at the deadline and giving the wolves a convert? Especially if you weren't very sold on mau being bad, that pretty much dooms the village anyways with another wrong lynch.

[Autumn]

If I was a wolf, I would have revealed well before that, make everyone get off of me. Then when I didn't die that night I would say that they must have figured i was guarded and gone after someone else. If Buttercup revealed before deadline we would have time to put in a kill on her. I would not wait until the last second and risk people moving back to me or Buttercup revealing and not having time to change the kill. In addition I would have no excuse for not dying since Telle wasn't around to change her guard order to me. Think about it.

[Narcizo]

I doubt Crimson is going to move his vote so it would be Telle and I who would have to swing it. Obviously I'm worried that Jackal has been playing us throughout the game but not worried enough to switch from Autumn. Danny was suspicious of Autumn and JAG and trusted Jackal. So I guess I'm sticking with his instincts and the recent evidence that is available that says Autumn/Jag is the most obvious wolf pairing.

[Autumn]

To humor you, in the case that you actually were buttercup, I think it would've been a much better idea to reveal earlier in the day. Why risk dying at the deadline and giving the wolves a convert? Especially if you weren't very sold on mau being bad, that pretty much dooms the village anyways with another wrong lynch.

I don't think I really need to explain that more than I already have. There is no way at all it makes any sense for Buttercup to reveal sooner than very close to deadline. I have no power in the game. My only contribution I can make is not getting lynched or killed, so revealing earlier in the game just guarantees I get killed.

[Autumn]

I doubt Crimson is going to move his vote so it would be Telle and I who would have to swing it. Obviously I'm worried that Jackal has been playing us throughout the game but not worried enough to switch from Autumn. Danny was suspicious of Autumn and JAG and trusted Jackal. So I guess I'm sticking with his instincts and the recent evidence that is available that says Autumn/Jag is the most obvious wolf pairing.

I'm sure Danny will be happy to hear you pinned losing the game on him ;-)

[The Jackal]

Yeah, well, you aren't buttercup, so the point is moot. You played it like a good wolf should, hoping to slide by since there wasn't even a real solid case on you.

[Autumn]

I am good with ntn and Telle as well.

Here are some other people Danny was suspicious of.

[Narcizo]

If you guys lose by lynching me that will be the most embarrassing villager loss ever.

I don't think so. It would be an epic wolf win the way the game seems to have been pretty much stacked against them. But letting you win as a wolf would be embarrassing.

Anyway, if you are Buttercup maybe I would be the convert and I'd win anyway. :cool:

[Autumn]

I have to admit, I did not foresee this kind of stubbornness on the part of the village. I hope that JAG and Telle can see this more clearly.

Who is left on the list to be Rugen? Jackal and JAG? And Rugen is the brutal? In that case I may rethink my vote. He'll just brutal me and possibly get a convert, plus the night kill. Although maybe we'd be lucky and they'd night kill the convert ;-)

[Autumn]

I don't think so. It would be an epic wolf win the way the game seems to have been pretty much stacked against them. But letting you win as a wolf would be embarrassing.

Anyway, if you are Buttercup maybe I would be the convert and I'd win anyway. :cool:

I wouldn't say it's stacked. At this moment they have at least two wolves, a 50% conversion chance, and a brutal kill up their sleeve, and Vizini can still steal abilities, right? We've got a bodyguard, a pirate who keep screwing shit up for us and Inigo. Plus a princess whose only ability is to hope she doesn't die.

[Autumn]

We want to kill Vizzini today, so the debate should be between me and Lathum it seems. When it becomes clear to you that Jackal is a fake, then you can lynch him tomorrow and hope he doesn't convert someone on his way out.

<b>unvote the jackal
vote lathum</b>

[Narcizo]

I hope that JAG and Telle can see this more clearly.


Oh I think JAG might come around to your point of view. He might leave it to the last minute but I think he'll get there. :)

[Autumn]

I bet you're wishing you had killed me last night, huh, Jackal? But you guys probably didn't dare since I had been chasing after you all day, it wouldn't look good for you. You could have killed me, and then had Mr. Bug or JAG or someone on your team. You'd be in real good shape.

[Autumn]

Wow, Narcizo, I kind of feel bad, because yo'ure going to be really embarrassed by the time this game is over ;-)

[Autumn]

Like really, really embarrassed.

[Narcizo]

Wow, Narcizo, I kind of feel bad, because yo'ure going to be really embarrassed by the time this game is over ;-)

I survived the Chess debacle, I think I'll somehow manage to pull through this one.

[Narcizo]

But it's sweet of you to be so concerned about my mental state. :)

[Narcizo]

I'd be more worried about Crimson who will have been COMPLETELY wrong two games in a row if you are a villager.

[Autumn]

I'll start a thread for you, the I Can't Believe I Did That thread.

[Narcizo]

Your goodwill and bounty are boundless.

[Narcizo]

:eek: Lathum still has fewer posts than NTN

[Lathum]

We want to kill Vizzini today, so the debate should be between me and Lathum it seems. When it becomes clear to you that Jackal is a fake, then you can lynch him tomorrow and hope he doesn't convert someone on his way out.

<b>unvote the jackal
vote lathum</b>

huh?

I haven't been able to keep up all that well, but obviously youi or Jackal are lying, why is it that one of us is Vizzini? Why can't JAckal be Vizzini? And why would you vote for me when you are claiming to be the princess and are having someone counter that, yet aren't voting for them?

Makes no sense

[CrimsonFox]

Nice try Autumn. I am in fact Princess Buttercup. I was surprised you didn't reveal last night to save your neck, but your plan of pushing people towards mauboy worked in the end.

Protect me tonight if you can Telle!

VOTE AUTUMN


I knew this. :) Thanks jackal. Telle please protect jackal.

[CrimsonFox]

I'd be more worried about Crimson who will have been COMPLETELY wrong two games in a row if you are a villager.

can we be a loittle LESS of an asshole please?

[CrimsonFox]

I'm sure Danny will be happy to hear you pinned losing the game on him ;-)

It's crap like this that really makes me want to take you down no matter what you are.

[CrimsonFox]

I didn't want Autumn to get away with it, I figured there was a chance people would believe him with no counter, and the longer I waited to counter the more wolfy it would sound.

I was never very convinced that mau was a wolf, it's why my vote was on Autumn all of yesterday and I never switched even though I was wrong in my depiction of how Autumn had been playing. I couldn't be 100% positive, its true, but I figured one of them was a wolf and if the villager died the other would be revealing because they'd likely be lynched today.

I was thinking that's why you were acting so silly this game. That and rhyming is fun. Was thinking Lathum for awhile but you made more sense.

[CrimsonFox]

And Narcizo, the only switch I would make is onto Jag. Will not vote for Jackal at all. Autumn's arguing today and ignoring jag as a candidate. Yeah that confirms it for me.

So Narcizo, your goal as Dread Pirate Roberts was to scan for Inigo? I wondered why you would do that to me. I thought at first you were doing so to save the village from losing that scan for the count ability even though it actually PREVENTED me from getting a scan.

And note, if there are 4 wolves then Lathum is pretty much the lock as the 4th. But I think the game would be over at that point.
It might even already be over if there were 4. Very sleepy and at the airport atm so not sure the math.

[EagleFan]

Quick response.

If the brutal is the last wolf to go and brutals to the princess it will not trigger a conversion.

[Autumn]

huh?

I haven't been able to keep up all that well, but obviously youi or Jackal are lying, why is it that one of us is Vizzini? Why can't JAckal be Vizzini? And why would you vote for me when you are claiming to be the princess and are having someone counter that, yet aren't voting for them?

Makes no sense

Because only Jackal and JAG could be Count Rugen, per Inigo's scans. I think it highly unlikely JAG as a wolf makes a last second switch from one villager to another, so clearly Jackal is the brutal. That leaves you and only you to be Vizzini. But of course you know that.

[Autumn]

It's crap like this that really makes me want to take you down no matter what you are.

To be serious, is that a legitimate argument to vote me at end game, because Danny, who died days ago, was suspicious of me? I mean, you can't base your analysis on what someone else thinks, especially one not in game who can't agree or disagree with you.

[Autumn]

Seeing how set CF and Narcizo are on this, I'm just about ready to give up. I don't know how else I can argue it, it seems pretty obvious to me that I'm the real deal, and that Jackal's faking because he knows if no one counters it will be obvious that I'm right. And he knows that if I'm taken out of the equation it's as clear as can be that he and Lathum are the wolves left.

Only after I die I guess will you guys understand how frustrated I am right now. I'm just going to hope that somehow this makes as much sense to JAG and Telle as it does to me, because continuing to argue in the face of such stubbornness is going to drive me crazy.

I'll hope for that 50% chance that all this does is lose us another villager, not two.

[Lathum]

Because only Jackal and JAG could be Count Rugen, per Inigo's scans. I think it highly unlikely JAG as a wolf makes a last second switch from one villager to another, so clearly Jackal is the brutal.

Or you and Jag are the last wolves trying to set up me and Jackal. All I know is I am voting you or Jackal today, just not sure which one yet.

You said the person to claim a role first should get the benefit of the doubt, and I usually agreee, unless it is end game and a good time for a reveal.

[Narcizo]

So Narcizo, your goal as Dread Pirate Roberts was to scan for Inigo? I wondered why you would do that to me. I thought at first you were doing so to save the village from losing that scan for the count ability even though it actually PREVENTED me from getting a scan.


My major victory condition was to scan Inigo - what do you want me to do? Ignore the victory conditions and ruin the game concept? I get an "additional" victory for the village winning a-a-a-and an additional minor victory for the minor victory condition you had at the start of the game.

[Narcizo]

Only after I die I guess will you guys understand how frustrated I am right now. I'm just going to hope that somehow this makes as much sense to JAG and Telle as it does to me, because continuing to argue in the face of such stubbornness is going to drive me crazy.


You see you're trying to portray us voting you as some sort of crazy move on our part because, well, why? Because you revealed as Buttercup first? Despite the fact that it was pretty obvious that any savvy wolf was going to reveal as Buttercup to save their skin at this stage? Apart from that the case against you is the same as yesterday, when I voted you. So how come it's so much more embarrassing for me to vote for you today compared to yesterday (when, if I remember correctly, I was possibly voting you because of some shady victory condition I had).

[Narcizo]

Or you and Jag are the last wolves trying to set up me and Jackal. All I know is I am voting you or Jackal today, just not sure which one yet.


Lathum - if you believe Jackal is the wolf then who do you see as his partner? If you're a villager then it must be either Autumn or JAG. If it's JAG then why on earth did he switch his vote from Autumn to mau exactly on deadline yesterday? Why pull that kind of stunt when he knew both players were villagers? If you think Autumn and Jackal are wolves then vote Autumn who we know isn't the brutal.

[CrimsonFox]

My major victory condition was to scan Inigo - what do you want me to do? Ignore the victory conditions and ruin the game concept? I get an "additional" victory for the village winning a-a-a-and an additional minor victory for the minor victory condition you had at the start of the game.

not complaining, just asking. Don't begrudge anyone for going for win conditions although I don't think I'd want to screw the village over to do it. Not that I'm saying you did. Maybe if I were in that place I'd think differently. But like I said just trying to figure these rules out and now I finally have.

[CrimsonFox]

not complaining, just asking. Don't begrudge anyone for going for win conditions although I don't think I'd want to screw the village over to do it. Not that I'm saying you did. Maybe if I were in that place I'd think differently. But like I said just trying to figure these rules out and now I finally have.

I meant I don't begrudge...

[CrimsonFox]

Flight delay :P A "hydrualic leak" blech. delayed at least an hour they said, but then they called me to the podium, changed my flights to a totally different plane on a totally different flight. ...and upgraded me to first class.
woot

[Autumn]

Because I think it's crazy, Narc. I don't know, I'm done belaboring the point. Maybe when you look at Lathum's posts it will become obvious to you you're barking up the wrong tree. Look back and you'll see he pairs several suspects in each of his posts, but changes them. Yesterday it was me and someone else, then it was that person and jackal within the span of a few hours.

[Narcizo]

OK I'm getting a sinking feeling that there might be three wolves left; JAG, Autumn and Lathum. I think it's still possible for us to win, although the best we get is a 50:50 shot. But if it's true then we're currently 4:3 and that means that Telle absolutely has to vote Autumn today. She should still protect Jackal (because this is probably me just being paranoid and we don't want to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory because I'm having another of my paranoia attacks). Then we see what Autumn shows up as tomorrow.

[CrimsonFox]

Well that's in my mind narc but I'm not going to really woory about it now.

telle's on now so you can talk to her. because of the buttercup conversion 3 wolves do make sense. I think the game would have ended if there were 4 wolves. or maybe that it would end tonight.

I so hate the brutal rule.

[Narcizo]

So, how's that for crazy then?

[CrimsonFox]

crazy

[CrimsonFox]

gotta run, later.
I'm turning into an alligator (Jackal that's your queue)

[Narcizo]

W I think the game would have ended if there were 4 wolves. or maybe that it would end tonight.


Why would it end when we're currently 4:3? We lynch a wolf and we're 4:2. They NK someone we're 3:2. We lynch the non-brutal wolf and we're 3:1 - they NK Buttercup and there's a 50% chance they (and one of the current villager) win, otherwise it's 2:1 and we lynch the brutal.

[Telle]

There could still be three wolves remaining, as their are 7 players total. Although I'm not sure how the neutral role fits into that.. does he count as a villager when counting up how many wolves vs villagers there are?

[Narcizo]

Telle, any thoughts?

[Narcizo]

There could still be three wolves remaining, as their are 7 players total. Although I'm not sure how the neutral role fits into that.. does he count as a villager when counting up how many wolves vs villagers there are?

I think the neutral role (Crimson) is counted as a villager. My impression that the role is really a villager with special victory conditions. But you're right we should probably ask Eagle.

Eagle: Does the Dread Pirate Roberts count as a villager for the villager:wolf total?

[Telle]

I'm inclined to disbelieve Autumn. And the fact that he revealed first thing today and then proceeds to tell us how generally the first to reveal is telling the truth.. well, that just doesn't sit well with me. Feels more like he purposely revealed nice and early just so he could say that.

[Autumn]

:banghead:

[Narcizo]

If you're going to vote Autumn then it doesn't currently matter which side Lathum is on. As long as we three cleared vote as a bloc along with Jackal then we're fine.

[Autumn]

I can guarantee Jackal will vote along with you if you vote me. :rolleyes:

Really, what do you think a villager buttercup would do this morning, after basically revealing at deadline last night, and having people bouncing around the idea that I was probably Buttercup this mornign? Not reveal and let people try to lynch me today? Or reveal right away so people can get a good vote in and catch a wolf before I possibly die at night?

I'm not sure what you guys think I could have done differently.

[Telle]

vote Autumn

[Autumn]

I leave for class in a half hour and then I won't be back on until 9 or so probably. So basically what I'm saying is good luck village, I hope you roll well.

[Narcizo]

OK I'm away until tomorrow as well.

Telle, Eagle says he will accept conditionals so check and see if you can change who you protect based on Autumn's allegiance. If it turns out he is a villager then you'll be wanting to protect someone who isn't Lathum or Jackal. I believe that there's still a slim chance we can win if Autumn is telling the truth. But I believe your base protection should be Jackal. If you're not allowed a conditional based on allegiance then just protect him.

If you don't move from Autumn then it doesn't matter what Lathum or JAG says or does. Remember that JAG has already shown that people can move their vote at the last second.

[Narcizo]

Vote Nightfall

[Telle]

vote nightfall

[The Jackal]

Suppose we might as well, though Autumn won't be back until 9 he said, assuming he'd want to vote nightfall anyways.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Lathum]

Vote Autumn

He seems much more desperate than Jackal

Vote Nightfall

[EagleFan]

As of 1315:

Autumn 6 - JAG (1313), Narcizo (1336), CrimsonFox (1349), The Jackal (1359), Telle (1429), Lathum (1435)
Lathum 1 - Autumn (1387)

Nightfall 4 - Narcizo (1432), Telle (1433), The Jackal (1434), Lathum (1435)

[JAG]

Vote Nightfall

[EagleFan]

As of 1437:

Autumn 6 - JAG (1313), Narcizo (1336), CrimsonFox (1349), The Jackal (1359), Telle (1429), Lathum (1435)
Lathum 1 - Autumn (1387)

Nightfall 5 - Narcizo (1432), Telle (1433), The Jackal (1434), Lathum (1435), JAG (1437)

[EagleFan]

As we have only 2 who have not voted nightfall and everyone has already voted. Those two cannot change the result of the vote at this point.

Especially since only one of them can actually change his vote which at best makes it 5-2.

I will process the day shortly. May not do night results until after I get home so I have my doc in front of me for that.

[Telle]

I am SO not good at waiting.. *sighs*

[The Jackal]

We're throwing Autumn off the cliffs of insanity, watch how he flies!

[EagleFan]

Everyone is quick to judge today. One steps forward and declares himself to actually be herself and be the Princess. Another steps forward with the same claim. You do not know which to believe (except the fact that this kingdom must have one butt ugly Princess) but soon a concensus is arrived at.

Autumn is not what he appears. String him up.

He struggles violently as you drag him to the gallows. All of you must gather near to pull him to the top and put the noose around his neck. Yet you feel strangely in danger as you do.

He swipes out towards you but you step back. The Jackal grabs the lever and pulls.

Autumn drops and is swinging from the rope. You draw near to inspect him and then you see it. How could you miss that...those... before. The perfect breasts, the smooth skin. He...er... she looks so much different now.


Autumn was the Princess.


Six of you remain.

The Jackal drops to the ground and then springs towards Narcizo. His teeth rip into Narc's neck and soon that rodent has devoured him whole.

JAG quickly pulls out a sword and slashes into CrimsonFox who drops to his knees.

Lathum tries to hit Telle but misses... Inconceivable! he cries out. JAG quickly takes care of Telle with a swift blow.


The Jackal stares at JAG and Lathum.

Lathum calls out... "you moron, we were waiting for you to kill someone"

The Jackal grunts something that sounds oddly enough to be "my bad".

JAG stares at his six fingers and wonders if this makes him the next in line to be the Prince.... but what lousy remaining choices he has for Princess.


The wolves win!!!

Danny wins as the original DPR.

Narcizo wins as the second DPR.


All others, consider yourselves the Bengals.

[The Jackal]

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/jpj681/rous.jpg

[The Jackal]

Sorry guys I tried to kill CF last night and Telle blocked it. I'd figured you were gonna stop Telle from using her ability and kill her, but oh well, this worked.

[Telle]

Well now.. that was not quite the ending I was hoping for.

[EagleFan]

I'll be online later to discuss. Hope you enjoyed it. Was very entertaining reading the PM's.

[The Jackal]

Was a great game EF! I definitely think it would be fun to run it again with more people.

[Telle]

Sorry guys I tried to kill CF last night and Telle blocked it. I'd figured you were gonna stop Telle from using her ability and kill her, but oh well, this worked.

I'm confused. If you guys killed MrBug last night, how did you also try to kill CrimsonFox?

[The Jackal]

I'm confused. If you guys killed MrBug last night, how did you also try to kill CrimsonFox?

I was the Rodent of Unusual Size, couldn't communicate with the other wolves, we had no idea who each other were (though I figured it out through scanning), and I had a one-time kill of my own, and tried to use it last night.

[Telle]

Ahhh.. that makes sense. I kept going back and forth on whether or not to protect myself or CF, and guess I at least made one right decision in this game :)

[The Jackal]

I tried to kill Danny the night the other wolves did, was hoping they were going to kill Telle that night, but got to keep the ability since they beat me to the kill. Otherwise I was saving it for near endgame in case I was the last wolf left and needed it.

[JAG]

I wish I could say I was a mad genius, but I was a lucky idiot. I honestly thought Autumn was on our side. EF must have been dying of laughter reading the PM's I was sending. I had basically conceded the game because there were no vanilla villagers left to convert even had we killed Buttercup at the end.

[The Jackal]

Don't you think I would have come after you guns blazing after last game if I didn't know we were on the same team? :)

[The Jackal]

ps thanks for not killing me

[The Jackal]

Was hoping that was enough to signal you that I might at least be the ROUS, since I think only one other person even mentioned the role this entire game.

So, quick glance over the rules/roles.. There's 16 of us so there's no way we have 6 roled villagers, 6 roled wolves, and a neutral.

Something like 5 roled villagers, 3-4 wolves (I can see 4 if the ROUS is in), and the dread pirate roberts with 6-7 vanillas seems likely.

[JAG]

Sorry guys I tried to kill CF last night and Telle blocked it. I'd figured you were gonna stop Telle from using her ability and kill her, but oh well, this worked.

After Vizzini found them all, he was powerless. He could only use his power once per person, and not even on Inigo after he used the duke.

[Danny]

Good job wolves. Really wish I could have got scans in, I tried to scan Jag night 3 and then night 4 I bounced between Lathum and Jag. Completely mis-read Jackal although him being a separate wolf kind of makes sense.

[Lathum]

WTF?

[The Jackal]

After Vizzini found them all, he was powerless. He could only use his power once per person, and not even on Inigo after he used the duke.

That makes sense. I figured something like that would have to be in place otherwise it would've been too powerful. I was gonna kill Narcizo, should've just done that and the game would've been over last night.

[JAG]

ps thanks for not killing me

At least you were never a serious NK target, though I did PM Lathum I was going to try to get you lynched Sunday since we knew Mau wasn't Buttercup.

[Lathum]

JAG was pretty convinced on Autumn but I actuall thought he was the princess based on his behavior today but JAG had followed the game much closer so I trusted his read. He certainly deserves most of the credit for the win.

[The Jackal]

I scanned you N3 and lathum N5, I really didn't think Lathum was a wolf.

Think my scans were..

N1: Mau
N2: Danny
N3: JAG
N4: Autumn
N5: Lathum

I was pretty convinced early on that I was going to scan the cunning and kill him by accident, but as the game went on I realized cunning and brutal would've been too powerful.

[Lathum]

FWIW we thought the deck was seriously stacked against us, we got very lucky people didn't look to closely at us.

[JAG]

When did you scan us Jackal?

[The Jackal]

When did you scan us Jackal?

posted above, you N3 and lathum N5

[The Jackal]

i gotta run to the store, ill be back later to discuss. glad this whole fake reveal worked out!

[The Jackal]

Oh, and sorry Autumn. :)

[The Jackal]

Posted for fun, and for hatred of random.org:

You are the ROUS. You are a rogue wolf. You have no PM rights with the other wolves. You have a one time ability to perform a night kill. If that target is a wolf, the target will still be killed.

Each night you may submit one person to sniff. You will learn if that person is a wolf through that scan. The cunning will not scan as a wolf.

I hate you :(

But it's so awesome. :)

Do the wolves know who I am? Wonder how long it will take for me to be killed. :D

[mauchow]

Hmmm. My guts were pretty spot on. Fools!

[Lathum]

Cant remember the last time I made it to the end as a wolf. I may need to play under the radar more often

[Telle]

Autumn's going to be so pissed when he gets back at 9....

[EagleFan]

So many interesting things going on in the PM's in this game.

The wolves were going to kill Autumn on night one but then made a late change.

Then at the end JAG was correct that I was laughing at the PM's as he was convinced that Autumn was the ROUS and Jackal was the Princess. Then his late change yesterday to save Autumn almost put their game in jeopardy.

I believe the wolves hated the DPR angle too, though that actually kept costing the village because that meant a day without getting to use the ability of the player which was 'converted'.

JAG was extremely lucky this game too. It seems that the seer scan or the Inigo scan kept having his name second as the conditional. But then instead of moving up he stayed 2nd. Until Danny was going to scan him the night he was NK'd.

Jackal had bad luck. First he was going to go after Danny but the wolves took him out. Actually rolled that one up giving it a 50/50 shot at who got to Danny first and he lost out. He sent his strategy for going after Danny and he had the same strategy that the wolves had for making that choice, each hoping the other would go after Telle. Then he makes an attempt last night and got blocked, thus losing his NK ability.

[The Jackal]

Being a lone wolf is very lonely. The only person I can talk to is the GM and he can't respond!

[JAG]

After the wheelbarrow kill failed, I was sure we had no chance to win, but then Danny announced that he blocked an NK on himself and the BG outed themselves...pretty crazy luck.

[Autumn]

No, I'm not mad. I already knew I'd be coming home to seeing a massacre, though I held out some hope there wouldn't be a conversion and you guys could pull it out the last two days.

I never even truly considered that ROUS could be in the game. At first blush it feels a little lopsided to have Dread Pirate who was screwing with us all game, and a lone wolf as well, considering that Buttercup essentially counted as a partial wolf since she only benefited them potentially.

I understand why you went ahead with nightfall, EF, I wasn't going to bother trying to change any opinions at this point. But in general I feel like nightfall should wait for consensus. If I had come up with a great argument to sway people, or someone else had, results could have changed. The reason why as a villager I don't like voting nightfall is that it doesn't allow for people to slowly come to a realization or new opinion.

Fun, fun game.

[Danny]

After the wheelbarrow kill failed, I was sure we had no chance to win, but then Danny announced that he blocked an NK on himself and the BG outed themselves...pretty crazy luck.

I don't think it was luck. You guys Vizzini scanned me that night anyway, so if I hadn't revealed, you would have just nk'ed me the next night anyway without the bg knowing who I am. The main thing that helped was Telle revealing allowing Vizzini to scan her and make sure I was night killed. Seems I was destined to never get a scan off. Too bad, I tried to scan Jag twice lol.

[Danny]

I really thought I would be able to get my scan of Jag off which I why I backed off him as a candidate, but I should have pushed for him and scanned Lathum who was my second choice.

[JAG]

I don't think it was luck. You guys Vizzini scanned me that night anyway, so if I hadn't revealed, you would have just nk'ed me the next night anyway without the bg knowing who I am. The main thing that helped was Telle revealing allowing Vizzini to scan her and make sure I was night killed. Seems I was destined to never get a scan off. Too bad, I tried to scan Jag twice lol.

Oh yeah, that's a good point. Except that we didn't know you had used your one time protection until you revealed that.

[Autumn]

I'm debating whether I should stay up late enough tonight for Narcizo to show up.

[Autumn]

I thought it was a great ruleset, EF. I'm not sure of the balance necessarily, with this number. What what i liked was that there were a lot fo fun wrinkles with each role without turning it into a "I don't know what's going on in this game" sort of ruleset.

The Dread Pirate Roberts thing, if I understand it, was a fantastic idea, though maybe should have been offset more by some way to avoid it prevent it. At end game with people revealing it turned into a bit of a mess there. I also would have loved some ability for Buttercup that would offset her being such a pansy. This will definitely be a fun one to run again with all the roles involved.

[PackerFanatic]

Whose idea was it to NK me night 2? Seemed fairly random and damned lucky.

[Zinto]

I think we forgot the key rule to werewolf lynch Jackal on day one since he is always a wolf:)

[The Jackal]

About time I had a signature, thanks Zinto. :D

[bhlloy]

I'd love to know why I was NK'ed on day 1 as well, if you don't mind.

[JAG]

I can tell you we were complaining to ourselves about the balance almost the whole game because there were so many ways to keep the seer alive even after they had revealed (one-time protection, the cloak, BG, Miracle Max), plus there was even a secondary seer in Inigo. But in retrospect it sounds silly since the only wolf that was voted off was the one that was scanned.

Oh yeah, I mentioned that bhlloy might've had a role which is why he died N1 (another great call), PF was because Pass voted for him and people seemed pretty trusting of him after Pass had pushed for him a bit, day 3 was Narcizo, day 4 Danny, day 5 was frankly a mistake with the Bug kill. We thought we were taking a shot for the win because he was the Princess and if not, at least we wouldn't overlap with "Autumn's kill". The one good call I made we didn't go ahead with, which was to kill Narcizo who I thought might've swapped with CF, instead of going for Telle or CF, who I thought were the most likely targets to be guarded. After Bug was vanilla and we didn't get an extra kill in, I thought we were sunk. I'm sure Jackal was pretty amused watching events unfold the last couple days, other than EF he was the only one who really knew what was going on. :)

[EagleFan]

What I also found interesting is that all the vanillas were being killed off. The wolves kept hoping for conversion and their chances kept slipping away.... and they had Autumn set at their night one kill before a relatively late change, to a vanilla.

[EagleFan]

The numbers game made this difficult to balance. Though since there is a wolf and a villager both saying it was tilted against them I will take that as a good sign.

I actually thought the wolves had a bit of an uphill battle. I wanted to get the ROUS in there so there would be the unknown which meant I had to go with just 3 starting wolves.

For balance I figured that the village had the seer and the Ingo scans which was like 1 1/3 seers. The wolves had the Vizzini ability which could cancel that out one time each.

The items were random, and it turned out that the wolves got one. I was hoping that it would have been someone other than Telle that got the Iocane but bad luck of the roll there as that pretty much took that item out of play.

I figured DPR would affect the village but actually only one time for the seer as it took one scan away when the 'conversion' was made. Same for the Inigo scan (but that would only be after the 2nd DPR found his target). I figured that losing the scan was offset by the seer becoming somone new which actually could hurt the wolves even more. It just happened that the seer came out day 2 which made DPR's job easy. Then CF used his ability which made DPR 2's job just as easy.

If we had about 25 players I think this could have turned out really well. For the DPR stuff there was going to be a long list of targets for DPR.

[Narcizo]

I think with Rous the game was pretty balanced. If there wasn't Rous in there I think the game would have been tipped too much in the villages favour. Considering I don't think anyone voted a wolf expect Pass on day two you've really got to say that the wolves should have walked this so, if anything, the game was slightly set in the village's favour. But having JAG, Lathum and Pass as your wolf team is always going to make for a tough game for the village.

If JAG had let Autumn die last night I would have scanned JAG. D'oh! Oh well, the game was a lot of fun - and I get my major victory condition so it's all win for me. :)

[Narcizo]

Hope the success Lathum and JAG had by not posting a lot doesn't see a trend of people avoiding posting when they're wolves.

[Narcizo]

I guess we pretty much lost it around the NTN/Telle vote, forcing Telle to reveal and then not finding a candidate to run against NTN.

[Danny]

Hope the success Lathum and JAG had by not posting a lot doesn't see a trend of people avoiding posting when they're wolves.

Honestly, it shouldn't have worked as well as it did. We should have gone after Jag much harder for sure.

[JAG]

FWIW, my schedule really did affect my posting level this game. Heck, I said pre-game I wasn't going to be around as much. I didn't correct people for the most part because I thought we would need the brutal ability, especially the last two days. I do think it was an unfortunate wolf grouping for the village though (other than Jackal who should've been killed immediately of course). Lathum and I don't usually attract early votes and this was Pass' first game since we were wolves in EF's last game, and 3 of the 4 wolves hadn't voted when Narcizo revealled D2, so there was almost nothing to glean from voting history the entire game.

[Autumn]

I don't think anyone voted a wolf expect Pass on day two you've really got to say that the wolves should have walked this so, if anything, the game was slightly set in the village's favour.

Well, except for me voting Jackal repeatedly ...

Yeah, pretty poor voting by the village. Lathum's obviously gotten himself off the immediate scan list. The first game I ran Clap and Lathum were wolves and it was over in like two days because those days Lathum was a mandatory day one scan.

Even if Jackal had been a villager, a lynch of me causing a conversion would have lost the game unless we got a block that night, so the wolves had us bad.

[Autumn]

If I had been more convincing and we had lynched Lathum, and Telle guarded me that night, we would have lynched Jackal the next day, expecting a brutal. We would have been quite surprised to find the game wasn't over at that point. I would have been night killed and even without a conversion, game over. so I guess now that I think about it we were all done, we just didn't know it since we weren't thinking about the ROUS. I don't think there was any way to win it, unless we got a block I suppose, but that was unlikely since it was obvious Telle would need to guard Buttercup.

[Lathum]

FWIW I wasn't intentionally under the radar, I just don't have the time these days to post a lot so my style has changed drastically.

[JAG]

If I had been more convincing and we had lynched Lathum, and Telle guarded me that night, we would have lynched Jackal the next day, expecting a brutal. We would have been quite surprised to find the game wasn't over at that point. I would have been night killed and even without a conversion, game over. so I guess now that I think about it we were all done, we just didn't know it since we weren't thinking about the ROUS. I don't think there was any way to win it, unless we got a block I suppose, but that was unlikely since it was obvious Telle would need to guard Buttercup.

The conversion would've only worked on a vanilla villager, and after we killed Bug there were none left so the conversion was no longer a danger. The only thing that could've won it for us was a brutal kill or what happened, since Jackal had his one time NK blocked.

[JAG]

I was actually hoping I was going to get lynched the last day and that the village would think Autumn was the brutal when I was eager to go after him. I forgot about the Inigo scan which ended up making that idea useless.

[Passacaglia]

After the wheelbarrow kill failed, I was sure we had no chance to win, but then Danny announced that he blocked an NK on himself and the BG outed themselves...pretty crazy luck.

That was my thought from the dead, too.

[Narcizo]

Yeah I was in a quandary about the cloak - I was, as usual, over-complicating things and hoping the wolves would think I was trying to trap them by saying my scan was blocked (and hence my self-protect would be off) and that they'd therefore leave me alone. Fortunately common-sense prevailed at the last moment for a change when I realised that only I might possibly read it that way so I used the cloak on myself. I think Danny was too quick a) revealing and b) using his self-protect but you know, I don't think any villager played a faultless game and he'd already met his victory condition.

[Danny]

I think Danny was too quick a) revealing and b) using his self-protect but you know, I don't think any villager played a faultless game and he'd already met his victory condition.

The reveal was too quick. The self protect I am not sure because I am usually killed early and wanted to make sure I got my scan of Jag off. I didn't realize the wolves would have so many ways to stop my scan (partly because the way they actually did was accidentally missing from the rules. If they weren't allowed to block my scan with Vizzini (as was listed) they would not have known I was Wesley and I would have revealed having found Jag as a wolf. Very different game from there.