WW CXLVI: Portal GAME OVER - Test8

[Passacaglia]

Test 2: Voting
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Congratulations, Test Subjects.
We had almost unanimous success with the signup test. Now we begin your next test: You will vote for a fellow test-mate.

To vote, simply display the word VOTE followed by the tester's name and decorate it in Unified extra thick aperture science text known as Boldface.

As in

VOTE MARY

This will signify that without any confusion or unsubstantiated data error, that you are voting for Mary. You have until 1900 hours PST to complete this test. You must vote for someone. If you do not vote for someone, votes for you will be processed. The winner of this test is the person who receives the most votes. Then a party.

>*BLEEPZ*<


Here's the beginning of Day 1. The winner received a party, exactly as CF told us.

[KWhit]

I don't agree with that -- part of me has been thinking that the Day 1 vote was designed for there to be no lynch.

It's possible. His write-up could mean that. But the evidence suggests that it is likely that no lynch is the tie-break rule, IMO.

[Raiders Army]

So I believe Raiders Army wins this vote then because he did not complete his unvote test for the day and he was only down by a vote at deadline.

Eh? I must've missed that one. Bummer.

[Passacaglia]

Well done. This is a correct usage of the unvoting. It is like putting a bandaid on some hair and then ripping it off. Use these tools wisely (and in unsensitive areas)

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You have until 7 PM PST to vote for another tester using your new tools.

At 3 PM PST there will be a special test for those around.

Here's the next day. Again, no mention of a lynch.

[KWhit]

Here's the beginning of Day 1. The winner received a party, exactly as CF told us.

Well.... I'd say Gladdy would consider a lynch a party too, but you're right in that it could be just a day 1 thing.

[KWhit]

Here's the next day. Again, no mention of a lynch.

Do you believe that the winner today will not be lynched?

[CrimsonFox]

Congratulations The Jackal! You have won the popularity of your testing peers and are now privileged to your own test. If you will notice The Jackal there is now an Aperture Science Weighted Storage Cube Dispenser directly over you.

*Dump dump dump dump*

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Notice now all the Aperture Science Weighted Storage Cubes Tumbling out of the Aperture Science Weighted Storage Cube Dispenser.

*Thump thump thump thump*


Congratulations, The Jackal. You have successfully tested the frailty of a HUMAN APERTURE SCIENCE HUMAN TESTER. Everyone else please make a note. Aperture Science Weighted Storage Cubes can be deadly to humans when consumed in large quantities.

Please retrieve your belongings and proceed back to the next test chamber.

[JAG]

I don't agree with that -- part of me has been thinking that the Day 1 vote was designed for there to be no lynch.

I agree. If anything, I think the result of the day 1 vote shows that a tie results in both players getting...whatever'ed.

[bhlloy]

Sorry Jackal. I'll take full responsibility for that one.

I don't see how we can't look at britrock tomorrow, but I'm sure I'll get some suspicion as well now.

[Passacaglia]

Do you believe that the winner today will not be lynched?

I think it's possible, looking at that post now. But I didn't think that during the day.

[JAG]

I stand corrected apparently.

[Passacaglia]

Blah, a double human. Sorry, The Jackal.

[KWhit]

Based on Jackal getting his body crush-tested today I'm going with the assumption right now that a tie means no lynch and a non-tie means a normal lynch. Obviously I could be wrong, but that's my best guess as to the rules we're playing under.

[KWhit]

Did RA post an unvote today? Someone earlier said he didn't.

[Ragone]

As i suspected.. jackal was a simple tester... really need to look hard at the people who voted for him two days in a row.. also the late vote floppers as well..

[KWhit]

Hmmm..... I did a quick search and I don't think he unvoted. Strange. I guess that ruins my theory of the tests.

I thought if you didn't "pass" the test you got an extra 3 votes. But now....

[JAG]

He did not to my recollection. I am pretty sure at least one other may have done so improperly and there were no changes to the vote, so my assumption about the tests seems to be wrong. Unless the button pushing interfered with the regular testing somehow.

[Ragone]

perhaps we read more into it then was needed kwhit? :)

[Ragone]

Good night all, whoever the Bodyguard potentially is, good freaking luck trying to figure out who to protect.

[KWhit]

perhaps we read more into it then was needed kwhit? :)

Yeah. I searched through again to make sure and he did NOT unvote. So there goes that theory.

[tyketime]

Day 1 voting
Calculations tabulated. Test Results complete.

GoldenEagle 4 - bhlloy, Narcizo, Passacaglia, Ragone
The_Jackal 4- Raiders_Army, hoopsguy, GoldenEagle, tyketime
Marc_Vaughan 3
Chubby 3
Autumn 3 - PackerFanatic, Zinto, Darth_Vilus
Julio Riddols 2 - JAG, Simbo Klice
JAG 2 - Barkeep, Julio_Riddols
Narcizo 1 - The_Jackal
KWHIT 1 - Autumn
Chubby 1 - KWHIT
Zinto 1 - britrock


Day 2 voting
mckerney 1 - JuLiO
Raiders Army 8 - JaCkAl JaG NaRcIzO RaGoNe McKeRnEy BaRkEeP PaSsAcAgLiA britrock
Jackal 9 - HoOpSgUy PaCkErFaN AuTuMn GoLdEnEaGlE TyKeTiMe KwHiT DaRtH RaIdErS BhLlOy

[tyketime]

As i suspected.. jackal was a simple tester... really need to look hard at the people who voted for him two days in a row.. also the late vote floppers as well..
Looks like all 4 of the Day 1 voters for The Jackal voted him again Day 2 (myself included). I'm OK with looking at this as a potential pool to pick from. But equally important to me are the late movers that perhaps steered a vote clear of the other Candidate.

[Autumn]

Sorry I wasn't able to post anything this evening. I wa strying to keep an eye on things but visiting as well.

Now at least we have some voting history we can look at. Iknow someone said they were going to look at dobule Jackal voters, and I'll come right out and say I should be in taht category as I tried to vote Jackal yesterday but couldn't unvote. I didn't do it for any reason other than D1 reasons, and voted him again today for no reason. I don't think there's any reason to vote anyone d2 of a 20 person game, and I just put in a vote.

[britrock88]

Sorry Jackal. I'll take full responsibility for that one.

I don't see how we can't look at britrock tomorrow, but I'm sure I'll get some suspicion as well now.

I find this hilarious.

[CrimsonFox]

Please Proceed to the Next Test Chamber through the Particle Dispersement Field.

You walk toward the exit careful not to step off the side down into the water below.

Wait. Where is everybody? All of you are not here.

You look back and see Zinto flailing in the water below. It is as if the water were both electric and poison at the same time. Soon he stops moving. You look around then up at the computer wondering if this was a test.

Congratulations. You have now experienced Death. Unfortunately this was an unplanned test. Someone must have pushed him in.

Where Zinto stood was a cube which he was carrying. It is smaller than the cubes that crushed Jackal. It has racing stripes and an flames on the side and had the ability to change the vote if you throw it at someone. You scoop it up and proceed to the next room but it vaporizes as you pass through the field.
Zinto was a normal Tester who had a Duke Cube.

[Passacaglia]

Blech.

[CrimsonFox]

Test 4

Downloading instructions...

[KWhit]

Well, damn.

[CrimsonFox]

For sanity's sake, from now on all Day and Voting actions are still due at the same time as usual. 10 PM EST / 7 PM PST.

All night actions are due one hour later at 11 PM EST / 8 PM PST.

Do not let this prevent you from sending in night actions early however.

[Passacaglia]

FYI, both PF and I failed to unvote as well.

[CrimsonFox]

Test 4
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Good Morning and welcome to day 4. For this next test enjoy some weighted storage cubes. Due to the excellent nature of The Jackal's testing ability, weighted storage cubes will not be dropped on top of you. Another hypercolliding button has been ordered for tomorrow and will appear tomorrow at exactly........*FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT*

[britrock88]

I suppose Zinto's button sacrifice was the game's night action, so to speak, and the night kills will start happening tomorrow?

[hoopsguy]

Well, just in case there was doubt about roles being out there already.

Might as well try to ascertain if Zinto said something role-ish early to make him the target, rather than it being a "dumb luck" deal hitting a roled villager.

[hoopsguy]

Ah, that's right - he pushed the button. I'm wondering if that made him a target for the night kill, rather than the button dooming him to his death and there being no night kill.

[Darth Vilus]

Dang, losing the duke isnt that bad though

[GoldenEagle]

Is it possible he became the duke by pushing the button?

[Darth Vilus]

I think pushing the button caused CF to give us up to date vote counts, nothing more. Just my opinion

[Simbo Klice]

Is it possible he became the duke by pushing the button?

That sounds likely- when he pushed the button something dropped and he was in possession of a Duke Cube when he got killed. Don't think that was a coincidence.

[bhlloy]

Yeah, that. Huge coincidence that he happened to be the Duke and the one who pushed the button. More likely the wolves read into the writeup and figured if nothing else he had something cool on him.

If that's true, it strongly suggests to me that traditional WW roles might not be in the game from the start and we "earn" them based on our actions in game.

[Darth Vilus]

Yeah, that. Huge coincidence that he happened to be the Duke and the one who pushed the button. More likely the wolves read into the writeup and figured if nothing else he had something cool on him.

If that's true, it strongly suggests to me that traditional WW roles might not be in the game from the start and we "earn" them based on our actions in game.

Wouldnt that make it ridiculously easy for the wolves to kill roled players? They just night kill whoever does an action

[Julio Riddols]

Man, I just got back from the longest hike of my life. Looks like some fun stuff happened while I was out. Glad I didn't have a chance to hit the button, because I would have jumped all over it as well. But then again, maybe it wouldn't have mattered if there are werewolves killing our testing pals.

It's on like Lemon Chiffon.

[bhlloy]

Wouldnt that make it ridiculously easy for the wolves to kill roled players? They just night kill whoever does an action

Yeah, this is a good point. Maybe minor powers can be earned, or maybe not all powers earned will be announced in thread. Or maybe Zinto just got unlucky that he pushed the button and happened to be the duke. I think that's a stretch and a coincidence though.

[Narcizo]

Not a fantastic set of results all in all then.

Colour me unsurprised that not unvoting didn't appear to have any adverse effects. Yeah, that's me saying "I told you so". :) I guess I'd better look at the voting pattern from day two - although Chubby's replacement and removal from the running made the whole thing a two-horse race rather earlier than I would have liked.

[Zinto]

:(! Good luck village

[Simbo Klice]

Wouldnt that make it ridiculously easy for the wolves to kill roled players? They just night kill whoever does an action

Good point. But I still think it's what happened. Perhaps the button presser won't always get the box, or perhaps the box will be a defensive ability next time, or as others have mentioned, roles can be gotten in other ways.

[Narcizo]

Day One

#126 08:48 Jag votes Julio Riddols (1)
#127 09:06 Simbo Klice votes Julio Riddols (2)
#128 09:15 Barkeep49 votes Jag (1)
#135 11:44 Britrock votes Zinto (1)
#136 12:08 Packer votes Autumn (1)
#138 12:33 Jackal votes Narcizo (1)
#143 13:25 Autumn votes KWhit (1)
#146 13:30 Bhlloy votes GoldenEagle (1)
#149 14:05 Narcizo votes GoldenEalge (2)

#153 14:39 Raiders votes Jackal (1)
#154 15:04 Hoops votes Jackal (2)
#155 15:17 Julio votes Jag (2)
#157 15:47 KWit votes Chubby (1)
#161 16:52 Zinto votes Autumn (2)
#166 17:30 GoldenEagle votes Jackal (3)
#168 17:32 Darth Vilus votes Autumn (3)

#170/1 17:33 Jackal attempts to unvote Narcizo and vote GoldenEagle
#174 17:42 Autumn attempts to unvote KWHit and vote Jackal

#182 18:13 Passacaglia votes GoldenEagle (3)

#186 18:17 Autumn points out that we can't unvote

#204 19:18 tyketime votes Jackal (4)
#209 19:32 Ragone votes GoldenEagle (4)


GoldenEagle (4) - Bhlloy (146), Narcizo (149), Passacaglia (182), Ragone (209)
Jackal (4) - Raiders Army (153), Hoops (154), GoldenEagle (166), Tyketime (204)
Autumn (3) - Packers (136), Zinto (161), Darth Vilus (168)
Julio Riddols (2) - Jag (126), Simbo (127)
Jag (2) - Barkeep (128), Julio (155)
Narcizo (1) - Jackal (138)
KWhit (1) - Autumn (143)
Chubby (1) - KWhit (157)
Zinto (1) - Britrock (135)
No Vote (2) - Marc Vaughan, Chubby

[Narcizo]

Day Two

#253 04:12 Narcizo votes Ragone (1)
#260 09:38 Marc Vaughan votes Marc Vaughan (1)
#270 10:59 Passacaglia votes mckerney (1)
#274 11:07 Julio Riddols votes mckerney (2)
#276 11:36 bhlloy votes britrock88 (1)
#280 12:21 Jackal votes Raiders Army (1)
#303 13:14 JAG votes Raiders Army (2)
#304 13:22 Hoops votes Jackal (1)
#317 13:41 Ragone votes mckerney (3)
#325 14:09 Marc Vaughan unvotes Marc Vaughan (0)

#339 14:47 Packer votes Jackal (2)
#348 15:09 Ragone unvotes Chubby (2)
#353 15:17 Autumn votes Jackal (3)
#355 15:20 GoldenEagle votes Jackal (4)
#365 15:48 Narcizo unvotes Ragone (0)
#365 15:48 Narcizo votes Raiders Army (3)
#371 16:07 Ragone votes Raiders Army (4)
#382 17:48 Tyketime votes Jackal (5)

#385 17:58 McKerney replaces Chubby
#391 18:10 Zinto pushes button

#409 18:52 KWhit votes Jackal (6)
#412 18:59 bhlloy unvotes britrock (0)
#412 18:59 bhlloy votes Raiders Army (5)
#416 19:14 McKerney votes Raiders Army (6)
#422 19:34 Darth Vilus votes Jackal (7)
#427 19:41 Raiders Army votes Jackal (8)
#441 21:09 Barkeep votes Raiders Army (7)
#447 21:41 Passacaglia unvotes mckerney (1)
#447 21:41 Passacaglia votes Raiders Army (8)
#474 21:56 Bhlloy unvotes Raiders Army (7)
#474 21:56 Bhlloy votes Jackal (9)
#478 21:57 Britrock votes Raiders Army (8)

Mckerney (1) - Julio (274)
Raiders Army (8) - Jackal (280), Jag (303), Narcizo (365), Ragone (371), mckerney (412), Barkeep (441), Passacaglia (447), Britrock (478)
Jackal (9) - Hoops (304), Packer (339), Autumn (353), GoldenEagle (355), Tyketime (382), KWhit (409), Darth Vilus (422), Raiders Army (427), Bhlloy (474)
No Vote (2) - Marc Vaughan, Simbo Klice
Unable to vote (1) - Zinto

[Narcizo]

Still not sure what to make of day one.

1) There were wolves but they didn't get a kill on night one or got a conversion or were blocked. The vote tie resulted in a no-lynch.
2) We were all-vanila and the day somehow determined who became wolves/roled.
3) We were all-vanilla and Crimson was having a laugh.

1 or 2 means there is some value in considering the events of day one. 3 means Crimson is going to be lynched day one of the next game.

Regarding Zinto I'm leaning to him getting the DukeCube from the button push and Crimson hoping that the wolves wouldn't pay attention to it. I don't necessarily think that there being a DukeCube means that any potential roles will get their powers in the same way.

[Narcizo]

So there are some obvious directions to look today.

1) Raiders Army to find out if we were villager-wolf or villager-villager yesterday.
2) Day one and day two Jackal voters.
3) Bhlloy for his vote switch.
4) Marc Vaughan for not having a vote either day.

1) I'm not a huge fan of lynching the #2 candidate - I think it can lead you up a big blind alley. There's also the risk that the seer has scanned him leading to a wasted scan or, worse, the seer involuntarily revealing himself to protect him if he's a villager/out him if he's a wolf.

2) Given the uncertainty of the value of day one, particularly in terms of pure voting patterns I don't really see much in the way of logic of concentrating on the four who voted Jackal day one.

3) Don't see a huge amount of point chasing Bhlloy at this stage. If Raiders is a villager then the vote switch earns Bhlloy a decent portion of trust. If Raiders is a wolf then it seems like a very ballsy move for Bhlloy to make as a wolf. Something to bear in mind but not something to chase today I don't think.

4) Yeah, missing two votes isn't great. Particularly when combined with a self-vote, self-unvote combo. Meta-gamery tells me that MV is more likely to be a villager than not but I would like to be able to prod him into action. And a vote that actually sticks.

Vote Marc Vaughan

[JAG]

Ah, that's right - he pushed the button. I'm wondering if that made him a target for the night kill, rather than the button dooming him to his death and there being no night kill.

I suspect that to be true. I also don't agree with the idea that pressing the button gave him a role because, like DV said, it would be like announcing all the villagers roles to the wolves which seems rather unfair. Of course, that still leaves me with, "What does pushing the button actually do?", but I don't have a clue other than what Zinto mentioned about how they work in Portal.

[JAG]

Colour me unsurprised that not unvoting didn't appear to have any adverse effects. Yeah, that's me saying "I told you so". :)

I knew that was coming.

[JAG]

Still not sure what to make of day one.

1) There were wolves but they didn't get a kill on night one or got a conversion or were blocked. The vote tie resulted in a no-lynch.
2) We were all-vanila and the day somehow determined who became wolves/roled.
3) We were all-vanilla and Crimson was having a laugh.

1 or 2 means there is some value in considering the events of day one. 3 means Crimson is going to be lynched day one of the next game.

Regarding Zinto I'm leaning to him getting the DukeCube from the button push and Crimson hoping that the wolves wouldn't pay attention to it. I don't necessarily think that there being a DukeCube means that any potential roles will get their powers in the same way.

Of the possibilities you mentioned for day 1, I suspect it's more 1) than the other two. I think it's reasonable that if we found out we weren't able to unvote until late in the day that the no lynch day 1 was planned and the wolves would be unable to night kill in compensation. It's all speculation, but I'm not going to completely disregard day 1 voting in case it's true. I'll probably assign it half a day's worth of value in comparison to other days to hedge my bets though.

[tyketime]

Oh, you pressed the button? Oh I see. Very well. I did not think you would press the button. Really? You really pressed it. That is the fastest recorded time of button pressing ever.

(A crashing noise is heard elsewhere)
I'm not so sure I believe pressing the button gave him the cube. As others have pointed out, that would make it too easy. But in looking at the flavor of the text, a crashing sound is heard elsewhere so I don't know he was necessarily granted the Duke power when he pressed it.

Of course, CF has eluded to another button, so we'll have another data point later on today.

[tyketime]

FYI, both PF and I failed to unvote as well.
And so are you aware of any negative consequence for failing/not participating in the Test?

[Barkeep49]

I'm going to take a contrary view and say that Zinto was the Duke because of the button press and that GE "won" the Day 1 and became evil. CF seems to have indicated that there won't be more "special" tests from his deadline post and so the wolves won't be able to gather any more insight into roles, nor can we as we'll have lost one villager and eliminated 1 wolf.

Vote GE

[Passacaglia]

And so are you aware of any negative consequence for failing/not participating in the Test?

No.

[tyketime]

No.

Just a thought: suppose if you don't participate in the test, any chance your vote doesn't actually count? Unfortunately, both PF & Pass split their vote, so it would not have materially changed the vote. Just seems to me with the emphasis on testing, there should be some negative consequenc to not participating.

I need to look at Day 1 non-testers.

[tyketime]

Just a thought: suppose if you don't participate in the test, any chance your vote doesn't actually count? Unfortunately, both PF & Pass split their vote, so it would not have materially changed the vote. Just seems to me with the emphasis on testing, there should be some negative consequenc to not participating.

I need to look at Day 1 non-testers.

Bah. Day 1 test was to vote. Chubby & Marc were the two non-participants. No way to confirm yet.

[PackerFanatic]

No consequences on my end either, as I fully expected. I am still of the mind that he was simply introducing new mechanics and it wasn't as big of a deal as people were making it out to be.

[Julio Riddols]

I wonder if pushing the button gave someone else a wolf cube. Maybe Zinto was the duke all along and it was just a lucky guess by the wolf cube carrier to pick someone with a role. Maybe it was revenge for Zinto pushing the button that turned the murderer into a wolf.

[Marc Vaughan]

I'm going to hold off pressing until later in case there are 'additional testing duties' required .....

[PackerFanatic]

I don't think we can press the button yet anyway - it sounded like it wasn't going to be dropped until later (like yesterday)

[Autumn]

I don't think we have much more to go on yet than D2 voting. And I dobut that a seer, if we have one, would have scanned a top vote getter. So I'm going to go ahead and look at our other candidate from yesterday.

<b>VOTE RAIDERS ARMY</b>

[mckerney]

Just a quick safety reminder, remember your logical paradoxes.

"This statement is false."
"Disobey this order."
"Does a set of all sets contain itself?"
"Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that not even he could eat it?"

[mckerney]

Bah. Day 1 test was to vote. Chubby & Marc were the two non-participants. No way to confirm yet.

To the best of my knowledge I suffered no consequence for no day one testing, aside from the vote not counting due to it not being cast and all.

[bhlloy]

Vote Britrock

I'm sticking with my gut on this one. His day 1 was passive-aggressive, his day 2 was just odd. Around all day but wouldn't vote or break the tie until a couple minutes before deadline.

The other direction I'd go would be RA just to clear up day 2, but I don't get any kind of Wolfy feel from him.

[britrock88]

You're dealing with a first-time player, a VV. All I've tried to do is explain what I thought were CF's analogies between Portal and this version of the WW game.

Meanwhile, bhlloy switched his vote to prevent the tie that would have, in all likelihood, saved a villager, and has been fairly misleading in comments throughout.

VOTE BHLLOY

[britrock88]

Also, for today, there's another button, but there's also a storage cube that we can use. Does anyone know where the cube might be? Who might have it? How we can obtain it? Whether pressing the button is worthwhile? Etc.

[tyketime]

...I voted for you 1) because of the timing of your vote yesterday, the 8th, yes I said 8th. That's #8. You'll understand why I'm repeating later. Just because it spread the vote out more...
There seemed to be some banter back and forth as to whether his seemingly random pick on the 8th vote was actually some sort of coded message. This seems to confirm for me that there was something more going on. As far as how to interpret it, I have a few ideas:

Player #8 = bitrock88 (boy - sure seems like a lot of 8's there)

The 8th vote cast on Day 1 was from bhlloy against goldeneagle (#146).

Here was Jackal's initial mention of 8:
In a day that's hard to analyze, I'm voting for him mostly because he placed the 8th vote on a person (me, call it subconscious revenge if you like) when two others had two. It's hardly much considering some are still arguing that there may not have even been wolves yesterday.

Since we know The Jackal was good, I'm inclined to think he was trying to tell the rest of us something. Between the two above, seems like more than a coincidence that Jackal mentions 8 three times - same number as bitrock in player roster. But I also readily admit that bhlloy's late move (with a couple of other votes still remaining) raises a flag for me.

For now, though - I'll go with the number theory:

VOTE BITROCK88

[tyketime]

Just an FYI: I'm taking my boys to see The Avengers tonight, so I will not be around at the deadline. But should be home after work for a bit to see what has transpired. With my new job, I can't bring laptop to work, so I only have phone access to the forums during the day.

[bhlloy]

If it ends up between myself and britrock I would ask who is more likely to be the wolf - the person who makes the high profile vote or the person who avoids doing so at all cost?

I didn't realize you were a first time player however. That does make me feel bad about getting on your back so soon

[Marc Vaughan]

4) Yeah, missing two votes isn't great. Particularly when combined with a self-vote, self-unvote combo. Meta-gamery tells me that MV is more likely to be a villager than not but I would like to be able to prod him into action. And a vote that actually sticks.
Vote Marc Vaughan

Yayyy to keeping up my standards and getting proposed for a lynching - I really should change my deoderant ;)

I didn't vote first day because I was somewhere over the atlantic and the second day I saw no reason to as we have no information to go on really - personally I'm not a big believer in random culling for the shits and giggles of it ... work on information, not fear - as time goes on we'll work out how things are operating and then can make proper decisions.

(or alternatively we can just kill each other off in the meantime for random amusement of each other ;) )

Vote Narcizo

[JAG]

I think Autumn should be in the discussion today. Here's what we know about him:

D1:
a. He voted for KWhit (unknown) then switched to Jackal (villager, though he didn't really have a choice but to vote him in self-defense since the other player with 3 votes was GE who had voted Jackal.)
b. Was voted for by known villager Zinto (villager) and two unkowns in PackerFanatic and Darth Vilus.
c. When the vote was 3-3-3 Jackal-Autumn-GE, Jackal (villager) and GE (unknown) received additional votes, Autumn did not.

D2:
a. Voted for Jackal (villager). Granted so did half the people playing...

More than the voting stuff that has some somewhat negative points for him, I don't feel like villager Autumn puts his vote on RA and gives the explanation he did. I have some mild suspicions of other people, but it was my feeling from that vote that made me want to take a look at him more closely. I'm not fully set on this, but I feel it's my best lead at the moment.

Vote Autumn

[Marc Vaughan]

Just an FYI: I'm taking my boys to see The Avengers tonight, so I will not be around at the deadline. But should be home after work for a bit to see what has transpired. With my new job, I can't bring laptop to work, so I only have phone access to the forums during the day.

No one is allowed to vote for tyketime now - he obviously has awesome taste in films and therefore is by default a good guy ;)

[Autumn]

No one is allowed to vote for tyketime now - he obviously has awesome taste in films and therefore is by default a good guy ;)

Along with a record-breaking amount of other people ;-)

[britrock88]

Day One
GoldenEagle (4) - Bhlloy (146), Narcizo (149), et al.
Jackal (4) - Raiders Army (153), Hoops (154), GoldenEagle (166), Tyketime (204)
Day Two
Raiders Army (8) - Jackal (280), Jag (303), Narcizo (365), Ragone (371), mckerney (412), Barkeep (441), Passacaglia (447), Britrock (478)
Jackal (9) - Hoops (304), Packer (339), Autumn (353), GoldenEagle (355), Tyketime (382), KWhit (409), Darth Vilus (422), Raiders Army (427), Bhlloy (474)


These are what I take to be the relevant votes thus far.

Day 1: The votes for Golden Eagle occur before the run of votes that put The Jackal in the lead. Pass (at #189) and Ragone (at #205 or so) tied it up -- again, I think that's a move that's helpful for the village, so I don't suspect anything. Also remember that The Jackal attempted to change his vote to GoldenEagle, but couldn't.

Day 2: The common votes for The Jackal are Hoops, GoldenEagle, Tyketime, and Raiders Army. Bhlloy also came in with the vote-deciding switcheroo at the last minute. If I had to bet, those are the five wolves, right there.

Now, I say all this because I've noticed two of those five (Tyketime and Bhlloy) go against me at this point in today's vote. Better to share this information (which is all I'm working from) now. If the wolves can convince the village to lynch a VV, it's great for them, as it gives them an opportunity to night-kill a roled villager. And by explaining fully now, there's no real reason for the wolves to come after me (the admitted self-interested part of this).

Since bhlloy only has my vote, I will throw my support behind one of the others I suspect. Barkeep has voted GoldenEagle and Autumn has voted RaidersArmy. Only because Autumn doesn't appear to want to consider Day 1 voting, I'll go with Barkeep's decision.

UNVOTE BHLLOY
VOTE GOLDENEAGLE

[Marc Vaughan]

Along with a record-breaking amount of other people ;-)

What can I say - I have faith in the human race, we have lots of good guys :D

[Autumn]

I think Autumn should be in the discussion today. Here's what we know about him:

D1:
a. He voted for KWhit (unknown) then switched to Jackal (villager, though he didn't really have a choice but to vote him in self-defense since the other player with 3 votes was GE who had voted Jackal.)
b. Was voted for by known villager Zinto (villager) and two unkowns in PackerFanatic and Darth Vilus.
c. When the vote was 3-3-3 Jackal-Autumn-GE, Jackal (villager) and GE (unknown) received additional votes, Autumn did not.

D2:
a. Voted for Jackal (villager). Granted so did half the people playing...

More than the voting stuff that has some somewhat negative points for him, I don't feel like villager Autumn puts his vote on RA and gives the explanation he did. I have some mild suspicions of other people, but it was my feeling from that vote that made me want to take a look at him more closely. I'm not fully set on this, but I feel it's my best lead at the moment.

Vote Autumn

I don't put much stock in any of that voting stuff (or anyone's voting stuff at this point), but you have a point about my vote for RA. Not that it makes me a wolf, but that it isn't my normal MO. I think it is the most useful vote I can make right now though.

[GoldenEagle]

I'm going to take a contrary view and say that Zinto was the Duke because of the button press and that GE "won" the Day 1 and became evil. CF seems to have indicated that there won't be more "special" tests from his deadline post and so the wolves won't be able to gather any more insight into roles, nor can we as we'll have lost one villager and eliminated 1 wolf.

Vote GE

Your logic is not bad here but the conclusion is wrong. I didn't gain any special ability or turn into a werewolf from the tie. I expected some sort of punishment from the tie but it never happened. In fact, I am thinking that no matter what, there was not going to be a lynch on day 1.

I really have no clue what direction that I am going with my vote today.

[GoldenEagle]

These are what I take to be the relevant votes thus far.

Day 1: The votes for Golden Eagle occur before the run of votes that put The Jackal in the lead. Pass (at #189) and Ragone (at #205 or so) tied it up -- again, I think that's a move that's helpful for the village, so I don't suspect anything. Also remember that The Jackal attempted to change his vote to GoldenEagle, but couldn't.

Day 2: The common votes for The Jackal are Hoops, GoldenEagle, Tyketime, and Raiders Army. Bhlloy also came in with the vote-deciding switcheroo at the last minute. If I had to bet, those are the five wolves, right there.

Now, I say all this because I've noticed two of those five (Tyketime and Bhlloy) go against me at this point in today's vote. Better to share this information (which is all I'm working from) now. If the wolves can convince the village to lynch a VV, it's great for them, as it gives them an opportunity to night-kill a roled villager. And by explaining fully now, there's no real reason for the wolves to come after me (the admitted self-interested part of this).

Since bhlloy only has my vote, I will throw my support behind one of the others I suspect. Barkeep has voted GoldenEagle and Autumn has voted RaidersArmy. Only because Autumn doesn't appear to want to consider Day 1 voting, I'll go with Barkeep's decision.

UNVOTE BHLLOY
VOTE GOLDENEAGLE

Do you really think all five wolves (if there are five, I don't think we have a number yet) would vote for the same player on Day 2? That makes no sense. I will grant you that one of the five is most likely a wolf but there is no way all the wolves would vote the same way on day 2.

[CrimsonFox]

For the rest of this test. You are entirely on your own.

>*CHIRP*<

[JAG]

I didn't vote first day because I was somewhere over the atlantic and the second day I saw no reason to as we have no information to go on really - personally I'm not a big believer in random culling for the shits and giggles of it ... work on information, not fear - as time goes on we'll work out how things are operating and then can make proper decisions.

The problem with this thinking Marc is that voting potentially yields some useful information about other players, as well as usually being the only way to get rid of wolves. By refusing to vote, you have denied us information about how to classify you and you dodged a chance to possibly vote for a wolf, which usually gives the village its best info outside of seer scans.

[Narcizo]

I didn't vote first day because I was somewhere over the atlantic and the second day I saw no reason to as we have no information to go on really - personally I'm not a big believer in random culling for the shits and giggles of it ... work on information, not fear - as time goes on we'll work out how things are operating and then can make proper decisions.

Vote Narcizo

People have to vote or there's absolutely no chance of getting any information. Where else are you going to get enough information to find the wolves? If you choose not to vote then you're helping the wolves. If you're a wolf and you don't vote then you get to badger people about why they voted like this or that while you don't have to defend yourself.

Voting seems a bit fragmented at moment. I'll have a quick check through of the voting and probably move my vote to a candidate.

[PackerFanatic]

I don't necessarily think RA is a wolf, but I think he might lead to the most information gleaned by his lynching - hopefully :)

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[Julio Riddols]

I guess its time to start masturbating in case this is our only chance to be on our own.

Before I get out the carrot wax, I'll cast an early vote then probably change it later.

VOTE MCKERNEY

[Narcizo]

Jag > Narcizo at
a) explaining things and
b) not sounding pompous doing so.

[Julio Riddols]

This is mostly a random choice since I have no idea who might be what at this point. There really isn't much to go on.

[bhlloy]

I'm going to back off my play from the first couple days here, as I feel his play is probably just as easily explained by being a first time player as a wolf

Unvote britrock

Where to go after this, I'm not sure. RA would tell us everything there is to know about yesterday. Usually I would be pretty confident that he would have been scanned but who knows if we even have that role right now.

I think JAG's argument for Autumn is well thought out and I wouldn't mind exploring that direction a little more. It's the best I have the isn't "let's just lynch yesterday's runner up" which usually seems to get us into trouble

Vote autumn

[Darth Vilus]

Vote Autumn

Not gonna be around today because of work. Was thinking about voting him yesterday but I seriously doubted that he would have gathered any traction

[JAG]

There seemed to be some banter back and forth as to whether his seemingly random pick on the 8th vote was actually some sort of coded message. This seems to confirm for me that there was something more going on. As far as how to interpret it, I have a few ideas:

Player #8 = bitrock88 (boy - sure seems like a lot of 8's there)

The 8th vote cast on Day 1 was from bhlloy against goldeneagle (#146).

Here was Jackal's initial mention of 8:


Since we know The Jackal was good, I'm inclined to think he was trying to tell the rest of us something. Between the two above, seems like more than a coincidence that Jackal mentions 8 three times - same number as bitrock in player roster. But I also readily admit that bhlloy's late move (with a couple of other votes still remaining) raises a flag for me.

For now, though - I'll go with the number theory:

VOTE BITROCK88

That's very interesting if a bit out there for a theory. I guess as Devil's Advocate I would ask how Jackal would have additional information if he were a regular tester and would hope after he was the lynch choice he would've spelled things out more clearly before he died.

[hoopsguy]

If I had to bet, those are the five wolves, right there.


Even taking myself out of the mix, I would bet every cent I own that the other four in that list are not all wolves.

This would be an example of "unified theory of werewolf creep" kicking in. If there is one thing that I've learned playing something like 60-70 of these games @ FOFC, it is that you should try to resist jumping too far ahead with your conclusions in these games. Get one wolf, then start reviewing the evidence to find the other ones. Just about anytime someone tries to get too tricky with thinking they have 2+ wolves it ends up being wrong.

[Narcizo]

As of #588

Marc Vaughan (1) - Narcizo (549)
GoldenEagle (1) - Barkeep (555), Britrock (576)
RaidersArmy (1) - Autumn (563), Packer (584)
Britrock (1) - tyketime (569)
Narcizo (1) - Narcizo (572)
Autumn (1) - Jag (573), Bhlloy (588)
Mckerney (1) - Julio Riddols (585)

[hoopsguy]

I guess its time to start masturbating in case this is our only chance to be on our own.

Before I get out the carrot wax, I'll cast an early vote then probably change it later.

VOTE MCKERNEY

From lemon chiffon to carrot wax - this has been an interesting journey so far, Julio.

[hoopsguy]

Jag > Narcizo at
a) explaining things and
b) not sounding pompous doing so.

You guys saved me having to type up that post, so thanks :)

[hoopsguy]

I'm going to be very interested in hearing from Jackal about the "8" thing after the game, because it really does seem like some kind of a plant.

[hoopsguy]

As of #588

Marc Vaughan (1) - Narcizo (549)
GoldenEagle (1) - Barkeep (555), Britrock (576)
RaidersArmy (1) - Autumn (563), Packer (584)
Britrock (1) - tyketime (569)
Narcizo (1) - Narcizo (572)
Autumn (1) - Jag (573), Bhlloy (588)
Mckerney (1) - Julio Riddols (585)

MV voted for Narcizo; it was not a self vote.
It would be helpful to mark the people with multiple votes with (2) or whatever the appropriate number may be ... just saying

[hoopsguy]

Of the theories floated so far, I think I'll back Barkeep's one ... that there was something to be learned from the Day 1 proceedings.

VOTE GOLDENEAGLE

[Narcizo]

I thought it was a bit weird that Autumn voted Raiders as my argument against Raiders Army is pretty much word-for-word arguments he's used in the past. But I, of all people, know that people say and act out of character all the time in werewolf.

I think the Britrock/Bhlloy interaction is interesting as well but I read Britrock statements as being indicative of a first time player - all five people voting for Jackal being a wolf is one of the most out-there statements I read this side of Chubby. :)

[Narcizo]

God that vote tally was brimful of fail. Lets try again as of #598

Marc Vaughan (1) - Narcizo (549)
GoldenEagle (3) - Barkeep (555), Britrock (576), Hoops (597)
RaidersArmy (2) - Autumn (563), Packer (584)
Britrock (1) - tyketime (569)
Narcizo (1) - Marc Vaughan (572)
Autumn (3) - Jag (573), Bhlloy (588), Darth Vilius (589)
Mckerney (1) - Julio Riddols (585)

[GoldenEagle]

In fairness to bitrock, I think he is a new player so he probably didn't catch on to that. Of course, it wouldn't be a bad play by the wolves since all of us experienced players think that there is no way that would happen :)

[Autumn]

Well, to be honest, I placed my vote on RA expecting to change it later in the day. I thought RA was the kind of safe, no-guilt vote that you could expect a wolf to be glad to bandwagon, and I was interested to see who might follow me there. that would be PF, who gives a "I don't think he's a wolf but I'll vote him anyway post."

I think JAG's vote for me is legit, as I wasn't acting like I normally would. Bhlloy too strikes me as honest in moving off of Britrock and onto me. But Darth's vote strikes me as a bandwagon vote also. I'm going to stick to my original plan though and go with PF.

<b>unvote raider's army
vote packer fanatic</b>

[Narcizo]

I'm not over-the-top about any of the candidates but I'm not really feeling much for anyone. Out of Autumn, Raiders and GoldenEagle I think a vote for Golden is the right way to go.

To counter Jag I think a wolf Autumn is self-aware enough to know that voting Raiders is going to raise eyebrows. I can't see any reason why he would feel like he has to vote Raiders in this situation as a wolf. So I'm not really seeing it. I still think a vote for Raiders is a mistake so that leaves me with GoldenEagle or me making a strong enough case against another candidate. I don't feel I can make a strong case against anyone at the moment - I'm tempted to have a stab at Darth Vilius who I'm getting wonky vibes from but I don't know if that's likely to stick.

I'm not a fan of Darth Vilius posts up to now. Seems like typical content-less posts that keep him off of people's erm, under-the-radar radars but don't actually contribute anything. He also voted Jackal (again, so did nearly half the village). DV is a player who if left unchallenged early on is likely to sail into the endgame without creating much in the way of information about himself.

Sod it. I'll see if anyone wants to get on a DV train for now.

Unvote Marc Vaughan
Vote Darth Vilius

[GoldenEagle]

I would also be suspicious of anyone dumping a vote on me at this point. There have been a couple of experienced players go down that road, but don't fall into the trap. It makes little sense that my duel with Jackal would result in me turning into evil. Nothing came out of that at all. Jackal already confirmed he didn't get anything (and we can believe him), so why would I?

[GoldenEagle]

I like the reasoning behind voting for Packer Fanatic. It does look like he latched onto a simple target in Raiders Army, who no doubt would be up for a lynch today as well.

Narcizo, that is just Darth right? He always flys under the radar. I am not saying he is a wolf, he very well could be, but I am not getting those same vibes you are.

VOTE PACKER FANATIC

[Narcizo]

But he's actually making the effort to post - that's what seems a bit unusual to me. :shurg:

[JAG]

Unvote Autumn

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now. Maybe I'm gullible but that explanation makes sense and the better part of my case was based on your vote today.

Vote Darth Vilus

Not sure I'll stay here but let's see what happens. Hopefully some folks like Simbo, Marc, mckerney, and others who have been quiet can throw out some thoughts. We have a rather incomplete voting record from some and not much posting from others, so more info and ideas would be welcome.

[PackerFanatic]

I truthfully hadn't even seen that he already had a vote - and I think sacrificing me will tell you a lot less than it would sacrificing someone like RA.

[bhlloy]

Awwww man. Now my second vote of the day comes out and makes sense and makes me reconsider voting him. And JAG does what I was thinking of doing before me as well.

I'm fine with DV or PF. Both of them are playing the under the radar, only vote for safe candidates game that I would expect a wolf to be playing. I'm gonna hold off until I can get home later and do some better analysis. My one thought is that is usually the kind of game that DV plays and I'm not sure if I can say the same for PF. So maybe that had me leaning a little in that direction.

[Barkeep49]

Your logic is not bad here but the conclusion is wrong. I didn't gain any special ability or turn into a werewolf from the tie. I expected some sort of punishment from the tie but it never happened. In fact, I am thinking that no matter what, there was not going to be a lynch on day 1.

I really have no clue what direction that I am going with my vote today.

I agree that there was never going to be a lynch Day 1. I do think, however, that there was a consequence to the vote. I just don't see having a vote held with nothing happening because of it.

[Barkeep49]

Even taking myself out of the mix, I would bet every cent I own that the other four in that list are not all wolves.

This would be an example of "unified theory of werewolf creep" kicking in. If there is one thing that I've learned playing something like 60-70 of these games @ FOFC, it is that you should try to resist jumping too far ahead with your conclusions in these games. Get one wolf, then start reviewing the evidence to find the other ones. Just about anytime someone tries to get too tricky with thinking they have 2+ wolves it ends up being wrong.

I agree. I think that people can successfully do this later in the game but I think nailing more than 2 wolves at any given moment is just about impossible at any point in the game.

[Narcizo]

Whelp I'm going to leave my vote where it is and let you guys all sort it out.

[Barkeep49]

Of the theories floated so far, I think I'll back Barkeep's one ... that there was something to be learned from the Day 1 proceedings.

VOTE GOLDENEAGLE

Something which has occurred to me, and only strengthens my conviction behind the vote (which since this is so early isn't all that great) is that if the wolves knew that D1 was meaningful this would only increase the chances of them targeting Narc.

So basically my reason for GE goes as follows:

1. I don't believe that we were ever going to lynch someone D1, given the inability to unvote
2. I think from a game design perspective it's unlikely that D1 would be allowed to be truly meaningless
3. Because of the tie we don't know who won D1, if either, between Jackal and GE
4. We do know that Jackal was a villager.
5. We know that Narc pressed the button
6. We know that Narc was the Duke
7. We don't know if #5 and 6 are connected, but the wolves might if GE's D1 "win" turned him evil or made him the head baddie or some such thing, making Narc a more appealing target for them

[Ragone]

Good Morning and welcome to day 4. For this next test enjoy some weighted storage cubes. Due to the excellent nature of The Jackal's testing ability, weighted storage cubes will not be dropped on top of you. Another hypercolliding button has been ordered for tomorrow and will appear tomorrow at exactly........*FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT*
[/B][/COLOR][/I]


Note the weighted storage cubes will not be dropped on top of you part... maybe this is going to be another non lynch day?

[Marc Vaughan]

Following the general trend ...

Unvote Narcizo

Vote autumn

[Marc Vaughan]

Note the weighted storage cubes will not be dropped on top of you part... maybe this is going to be another non lynch day?

More likely that there will be a new and cruel way to be disposed of ... rather than leniency imho.

[Marc Vaughan]

Following the general trend (again) ...

Unvote Autumn

Vote Darth Vilus

With regards to my thoughts - currently 'bemused' and trying to catch the threads of explanation going around, personally I'm not seeing any convincing trends and don't think theres enough information to explain anything presently.

I'm hoping someone has special powers who might be able to work out a little more than a poor little tester like myself, I'm just looking to pass the tests and make it to tomorrow myself ...

[Marc Vaughan]

I agree that there was never going to be a lynch Day 1. I do think, however, that there was a consequence to the vote. I just don't see having a vote held with nothing happening because of it.

Do you not think that was just a 'training' exercise for those of us new to the game? ... that was how I saw it (or am I being somewhat innocent in this regard?).

[bhlloy]

I think on balance I like PF a little more than DV based on their respective games. Getting this out there now in case there is a game mechanic that finalizes votes early as on day 1

Unvote Autumn
Vote PF

Subject to change when I get home later and take a look at things a little closer

[tyketime]

My unofficial total shows the following:

Goldeneagle (3) - Barkeep, britrock, hoopsguy
Raiders Army (1) - PackerFanatic
Britrock88 (1) - tyketime
Autumn (1) - Darth Vilus
Mckerney (1) - Julio Riddols
PackerFanatic (3) - Autumn, Goldeneagle, bhlloy
Darth Vilus (3) - Narcizo, JAG, Marc Vaughan

[tyketime]

Looks like there are a few multi-vote candidates, and since no one else agreed with my interpretation of The Jackal's message, I'll go ahead and move off britrock88.

UNVOTE britrock88

I will say that there are a couple players who have either not voted and/or have posted infrequently. You are not doing us any favor with that style, so my vote will probably go in that direction starting tomorrow. It will either spur on some conversation, or just prove my point.

[CrimsonFox]

3942
(A HyperColliding Superbutton appears)

[britrock88]

Don't worry, all. I fully expect that not all 5 that I pointed out would be wolves. But even netting 2 from that group of 5 is better than average odds (5/19 times 5).

[britrock88]

Shall we discuss what to do with the button before someone pushes it? Is there a cube-holder out there who can do it without sacrificing himself?

[tyketime]

5. We know that Narc pressed the button
6. We know that Narc was the Duke

For accuracy's sake, don't you mean Zinto pressed the button and had the Duke cube?

[tyketime]

oh... the button. It's so pretty...

[tyketime]

Well, in making sure I participate in the Test, we were instructed to enjoy some weighted storage cubes.

PLAY WITH WEIGHTED STORAGE CUBES

[tyketime]

Shall we discuss what to do with the button before someone pushes it? Is there a cube-holder out there who can do it without sacrificing himself?
Seems like maybe just us two around right now. What are your thoughts on whether to push it or not?

[tyketime]

PRESS BUTTON

[Ragone]

Vote Darth Vilus

Sorry guys, was knee deep in analysis of voting moves when button got dropped.. I think darth is the way to go tonight

[tyketime]

Heading out soon for the movies. I hope my curiosity brings us a good result.

[tyketime]

I don't yet have a good feel for any of three with multi-votes. All three voted Jackal on Day 2. Goldeneagle was the only one of the three to vote Jackal Day 1, so that's as good a tie-breaker as I'm gonna get today.

VOTE GOLDENEAGLE

[Raiders Army]

checking in. Will catch up

[Barkeep49]

PRESS BUTTON
I don't know how I feel about this.

[Raiders Army]

Okay, I'm good with a GE vote based upon BK's reasoning as well as hoops.

VOTE GOLDENEAGLE

[Raiders Army]

BTW, does anyone have any guesses as to what the colors might mean? I never played Portal, so is there a significance to that?

[bhlloy]

I think if there is a lynch today, we should avoid pushing the button tomorrow. I doubt there's as simple a correlation but it would be good to eliminate as a possibility

[CrimsonFox]

PRESS BUTTON

(nothing happens)

[CrimsonFox]

Well, in making sure I participate in the Test, we were instructed to enjoy some weighted storage cubes.

PLAY WITH WEIGHTED STORAGE CUBES

(There are no cubes around)

[KWhit]

Looks like there are a few multi-vote candidates, and since no one else agreed with my interpretation of The Jackal's message, I'll go ahead and move off britrock88.


This "message" theory strikes me as quite strange. What do you think Jackal possibly could know about britrock? And how could he have gotten that information since he was just a vanilla villager.

[Raiders Army]

This "message" theory strikes me as quite strange. What do you think Jackal possibly could know about britrock? And how could he have gotten that information since he was just a vanilla villager.
I agree. Whelp, there seems to be little discussion. I may check in after Survivor and Modern Family. Yesterday was quite a day (personally).

[hoopsguy]

Looks like there are a few multi-vote candidates, and since no one else agreed with my interpretation of The Jackal's message, I'll go ahead and move off britrock88.

UNVOTE britrock88

I will say that there are a couple players who have either not voted and/or have posted infrequently. You are not doing us any favor with that style, so my vote will probably go in that direction starting tomorrow. It will either spur on some conversation, or just prove my point.

For what it is worth, I think it is a pretty good theory. I'm probably not jumping on it more aggressively since it is britrock88's first game ... I don't want him to get hit by something fairly random as his first lynch (on Day 2) in the event that you are wrong. But if I had played a few games with him I would probably have backed you on this theory.

It doesn't make sense in the context of this individual game, I know. But it does make sense in my own personal sense of trying to promote a sense of fun here in the long-term.

[hoopsguy]

I'll go ahead and mention this in the thread just to drive some discussion - I got a PM last night that indicated I would potentially take action on this button if/when it appeared today.

It sounded like others got this PM as well, although I don't know that for sure. I would be curious to hear if others got that PM ... I recognize that it could be something that is offered equally to "villagers" and "wolves" in this case, so I'm not of the opinion this clears/damns me by coming out with the info.

Also curious if anyone else got similar PMs yesterday or on the first day?

[JAG]

Interesting. In that case, I may take back everything I said about that situation.

I wonder if there is still a chance it can be used by one of those people since tyke got the 'nothing happens' response?

[hoopsguy]

I can also say that someone beat me to placing the cube today - I was about two hours late responding by PM. So I won't be the "winner", for whatever that is worth.

[hoopsguy]

Interesting. In that case, I may take back everything I said about that situation.

I wonder if there is still a chance it can be used by one of those people since tyke got the 'nothing happens' response?

I fully expect that it can. The response was required by PM; posting in the thread was not the action that needed to be taken to satisfy the conditions set.

[KWhit]

It's too quiet in here tonight.

[JAG]

Ok, well since I wasn't one of the people to get the message, I don't exactly know what you're talking about. You had an option to place the storage cube that CF discussed at the beginning of the day? But only if you PM'ed to do so after the button appeared and/or was pushed?

[KWhit]

Anybody have an up to date vote count?

[hoopsguy]

I don't want to go into too much detail about it - both in spirit of the "not quoting PMs" and also to let someone else who did get the PM have some room to fill in a detail or two. But you have the general gist of it.

[hoopsguy]

KWhit, tyketime posted one earlier (post #619) and there have been a couple of votes since then. I think GE is one ahead of Darth at the moment.

[KWhit]

Ok. Here's what I have as of post 650:

Goldeneagle (5) - Barkeep, britrock, hoopsguy, Goldeneagle, Raiders Army
Raiders Army (1) - PackerFanatic
Autumn (1) - Darth Vilus
Mckerney (1) - Julio Riddols
PackerFanatic (3) - Autumn, Goldeneagle, bhlloy
Darth Vilus (4) - Narcizo, JAG, Marc Vaughan, Ragone

[KWhit]

I'm tempted to go with GE since he voted for Jackal both days. But when I've been a wolf, I always made it a point NOT to do that. Especially the first 2 days - voting for a villager who has a great chance of being lynched. You're just opening yourself up for suspicion in my opinion and it's something I would not do as a wolf.

So I will go with Darth.

VOTE DARTH VILUS.

[KWhit]

Goldeneagle (5) - Barkeep, britrock, hoopsguy, Goldeneagle, Raiders Army
Raiders Army (1) - PackerFanatic
Autumn (1) - Darth Vilus
Mckerney (1) - Julio Riddols
PackerFanatic (3) - Autumn, Goldeneagle, bhlloy
Darth Vilus (5) - Narcizo, JAG, Marc Vaughan, Ragone, KWhit

[KWhit]

And yes I tied it up.

But I DO NOT want tonight to end in a tie, so I'm hoping someone else will come in and break it. But if not, I'd rather lynch GE than end in a tie, so I'd move if I had to.

[KWhit]

GIVE THE COMPANION CUBE A SLOPPY KISS

[Autumn]

Hoops, I know what you're talking about. I unfortunately hung around the thread for a long time this morning/early afternoon hoping to press the button, but of course it appeared while I was away.

[bhlloy]

I would rather PF than DV but of that doesn't look likely I will switch to DV. I don't see GE as a good candidate

[Autumn]

I said Darth was my other suspect, and so I'd rather he go down, than waste my vote on PF.

<b>unvote packer fanatic
vote darth vilus</b>

[KWhit]

I would rather PF than DV but of that doesn't look likely I will switch to DV. I don't see GE as a good candidate

Why PF? I'm open if you have a good argument.

[KWhit]

Goldeneagle (5) - Barkeep, britrock, hoopsguy, Goldeneagle, Raiders Army
Raiders Army (1) - PackerFanatic
Autumn (1) - Darth Vilus
Mckerney (1) - Julio Riddols
PackerFanatic (2) - Goldeneagle, bhlloy
Darth Vilus (6) - Narcizo, JAG, Marc Vaughan, Ragone, KWhit, Autumn,

[Ragone]

pretty sure ge isn't lynching himself kwhit :)

[bhlloy]

I mean unvotes are a regular part of WW. Everybody knows how to use them. So why does CF go into such detail unless this is today's test? I think it's very likely that unvoting specifically has something to do with how today's votes are going to be tabulated

If pressing the button multiple times does nothing I think we have to be smart about more than one person doing an action so that way, in this case, three people are not voting.

Why PF? I'm open if you have a good argument.

It's meta gamey as hell, but it feels like PF is playing out of character whereas DV is always way under the radar

Looks like Autumn has taken that option off the table for now anyway. Ho hum

[bhlloy]

WTF is going on with my posts from my phone? That's the third time I've quoted a random post in a reply

[KWhit]

pretty sure ge isn't lynching himself kwhit :)

Well, shit. How did that happen?

[KWhit]

Fixed:

Goldeneagle (5) - Barkeep, britrock, hoopsguy, Tyketime, Raiders Army
Raiders Army (1) - PackerFanatic
Autumn (1) - Darth Vilus
Mckerney (1) - Julio Riddols
PackerFanatic (2) - Goldeneagle, bhlloy
Darth Vilus (6) - Narcizo, JAG, Marc Vaughan, Ragone, KWhit, Autumn

[KWhit]

It's meta gamey as hell, but it feels like PF is playing out of character whereas DV is always way under the radar

Looks like Autumn has taken that option off the table for now anyway. Ho hum

Ok. That's fair. Not enough to sway me since we're not tied up any more. But I'm all for looking at how the vets have played in the past and using that info to make decisions.

[JAG]

mckerney, Simbo, Pass still to vote.

[Autumn]

It's meta gamey as hell, but it feels like PF is playing out of character whereas DV is always way under the radar

Looks like Autumn has taken that option off the table for now anyway. Ho hum

I moved to make my vote relevant. If you guys are voting PF, I'll go back there.

When is deadline in this game?

Yo, CF, do you mind putting the deadline in the thread name?

[Autumn]

*cue wise ass response from CF*

[KWhit]

Deadline is 10 eastern time.

[Autumn]

Thanks. Well even if three of us move to PF, that may just tie things up with GE, so I'm not sure it's a great idea unless more people are into it.

[mckerney]

Vote GoldenEagle

Found arguments for him more convincing than for anyone else, though I probably have no idea what I'm doing.

[GoldenEagle]

UNVOTE PACKER FANATIC
VOTE DARTH VILUS

This is just your obvious self-preservation vote.

[KWhit]

Goldeneagle (6) - Barkeep, britrock, hoopsguy, Tyketime, Raiders Army, mckerney
Raiders Army (1) - PackerFanatic
Autumn (1) - Darth Vilus
Mckerney (1) - Julio Riddols
PackerFanatic (1) - bhlloy
Darth Vilus (7) - Narcizo, JAG, Marc Vaughan, Ragone, KWhit, Autumn, Goldeneagle

[GoldenEagle]

I don't know Sumbo well enough to know if he will show up and vote but I fully expect Pass to check in at some point.

[britrock88]

Simbo missed yesterday's vote, too... :-(

[GoldenEagle]

Perhaps he will soon be replaced like Chubby.

[GoldenEagle]

It has been quiet around here at deadline. I was prepared to put up a massive defense.

[GoldenEagle]

Just a man and his thoughts.

[hoopsguy]

I'm willing to be talked into moving the vote if you feel like mounting said defense, GE.

[GoldenEagle]

I'm willing to be talked into moving the vote if you feel like mounting said defense, GE.

It does not look like I need to at this point.

[bhlloy]

I fell asleep and conveniently woke up at 7, but it looks like my vote on DV isn't needed anyway

[CrimsonFox]

>*CHIRP*<

The statment that you would be entirely on your own was an outright fabrication. It is commendable that you can keep your head when there is deception of this caliber all around.

Oh look. Someone has placed an Aperture Science Weighted Storage Cube on the Hypercolliding Super Button. Please move along quickly as over-exposure to the button is not part of this test.

Calculating results...

>*BEEP...BEEP...BEEP...*<

[Julio Riddols]

I decided not to change my vote because it looks like things have sorted themselves out without need for a change. I wouldn't say there is much but conjecture that I can offer in the way of my perception of things.. I'm just sort of watching from a distance early on trying to get a feel for things.

[Autumn]

You'd think they'd have a supercomputer that can calculate faster than this.

[Autumn]

I hope this works. I felt like a rather poor, awkward version of Danny, trying to flush out a wolf with my fake vote this morning. but it probably didn't work, being as poor, and awkward as it was. At least it felt like I was doing something useful!

[mckerney]

You'd think they'd have a supercomputer that can calculate faster than this.

Maybe I shouldn't have posted those logical paradoxes. :eek:

[CrimsonFox]

APERTURE SCIENCE SUPER-RADIOACTIVE VOTE TABULATOR 2.0 (Now with decimal places!)


Raiders 1.0 - Packer
Autumn 1.0 - DV
Golden Eagle 6.0 - Barkeep britrock hoops tyketime raiders mckerney
mckerney 1.0 - julio
PF 1.0 - bhlloy
DV 7.0 - Narcizo JAG Marc Ragone kwhit Autumn Golden

[CrimsonFox]

A dot matrix printer can be heard spitting out a hard copy of the results.

[GoldenEagle]

Geez, come on CF.

[CrimsonFox]

Excellent. You have now voted for another tester who we have sealed in a glass cube on a moving platform. Everyone wave to him. See how he waves back. He is so happy he has won, he is screaming for joy. Please put on your protective sunglasses and stand away from the edge as Darth Vilus now will ride the slow descent into the surrounding flames. Do not inhale the fumes although you can do with his ashes as you will. Ah there they are now! Oh that tasted so good. So, so good that tester.

http://cdn.wikimg.net/strategywiki/images/thumb/a/aa/Portal_19_portal6.jpg/180px-Portal_19_portal6.jpg

The platform comes to a stop. All that is left of DV amid the ash is a nametag from his orange jumpsuit that reads "Chell". DV was CHELL, the SEER. He was an excellent tester on the side of good.

[Autumn]

Don't taunt happy fun ball, GE.

[Ragone]

oh for christ sakes...

[GoldenEagle]

Oh crap.

[mckerney]

Of course.

[CrimsonFox]

Have a refreshing night. Why not take a ride on one of the Aperture Science low-speed mobile platforms?

>*CHIRP*<

[Autumn]

you've got to be kidding me.

[JAG]

I was concerned he wasn't around at deadline, but I thought to myself, what are the odds he's the seer?

[hoopsguy]

Vote Autumn

Not gonna be around today because of work. Was thinking about voting him yesterday but I seriously doubted that he would have gathered any traction

That was our seer's last post, 8 hours before deadline. I'll dig up his other ones as well.

[bhlloy]

FFS. Seer goes down without a fight

[CrimsonFox]

I was concerned he wasn't around at deadline, but I thought to myself, what are the odds he's the seer?

I could calculate that for you, but I've used all my decimal points upgrading the Aperture Science Radioactive Voting Tabulator.

>*CHIRP*<

[hoopsguy]

Wouldnt that make it ridiculously easy for the wolves to kill roled players? They just night kill whoever does an action

I think pushing the button caused CF to give us up to date vote counts, nothing more. Just my opinion

Dang, losing the duke isnt that bad though

Those are his posts from last night, after the vote. So I would assume he had at the least submitted his scan by then and potentially had it back at this time.

[KWhit]

Just great.

[mckerney]

FFS. Seer goes down without a fight

I tried to help, though admittedly in what could easily look like a wolf move if GE turns up bad. Though seriously, I'm a good guy who was helping without really knowing it.

[Ragone]

well obviously we need to look at who he voted for as the next target for lynch.. sadly, we are now playing damn near blind.

[mckerney]

well obviously we need to look at who he voted for as the next target for lynch.. sadly, we are now playing damn near blind.

Or who he wasn't willing to vote for, if there is anyone.

[Barkeep49]

[U]APERTURE SCIENCE SUPER-RADIOACTIVE VOTE TABULATOR 2.0 (Now with decimal places!)
DV 7.0 - Narcizo JAG Marc Ragone kwhit Autumn Golden

I know which DV voter I find mot suspicious (and it's not GE, well at least not for this vote)

[Autumn]

I didn't see that coming at all. I guess I didn't look to see when the last time DV was on. not sure that would have swayed my vote anyway, in a big game with not many people that seem to be on around deadline.

[CrimsonFox]

GIVE THE COMPANION CUBE A SLOPPY KISS

Why don't you go and marry your Aperture Science Weighted Companion Cube already. I believe the president just endorsed it.

>*CHIRP*<

[britrock88]

Not a whole lot in RA's posts beyond constant suspicion of Autumn. He also pays a little attention to JAG at 133 and 457.

[britrock88]

LOL -- I looked up RA when I wanted Darth Vilus. I guess all that black confused me.

[Autumn]

I get RA and DV mixed up sometimes too. They're both so ominous.

[Autumn]

I'm sure I'll get some looks since the seer was voting for me. I know that he wasn't because of any more valid reason than I voted for him, but some will believe. All I can say is remember that we know much less than we think we do at this stage. And if I was a wolf and he'd scanned me I'm sure he would have made a more telling statmeent about me.

[Julio Riddols]

Now maybe we have a better idea whats going on.

[tyketime]

Aw crap! At least I can say The Avengers was awesome, but this result sucks. I gotta play catch up real quick.

[CrimsonFox]

What? What is that growling sound? Hello? Have all of you been tested for emphysema? There aren't any heavy smokers around are there? I could have sworn I heard the sounds of growling and the slashing of claws a minute ago. It must have been the wind.

Please proceed to the next test chamber where there will be a te--.

Oh dear. That wasn't part of the test. Could someone please retrive the tester from the platform over there? He's the one with laser-I mean claw marks all over him. Did anyone see what happened? It seems his name was hoopsguy and he was a normal tester. Are there any prejudices against hoops in the group? I was sure we screened against that.

>*CHIRP*<

[CrimsonFox]

Test 5
Downloading instructions...

[britrock88]

DV's posts...

- Voted Autumn in 168, before CF revealed that votes were locked in.
- In 420, he stated not having an opinion between RA and Jackal, then voted Jackal in 422.
- He makes fun of Hoopsguy in 440 (he had made fun of Jackal earlier).
- Voted Autumn earlier today in 589.

[britrock88]

Forgot to add that in 589, he said he wanted to vote Autumn, but refrained from doing so because he didn't expect to gain any traction.

[Julio Riddols]

I think we go with Autumn or JAG. JAG didn't seem too upset about Darth going down.

[tyketime]

Day 1 Votes
Calculations tabulated. Test Results complete.

GoldenEagle 4 - bhlloy, Narcizo, Passacaglia, Ragone
The_Jackal 4- Raiders_Army, hoopsguy, GoldenEagle, tyketime
Marc_Vaughan 3
Chubby 3
Autumn 3 - PackerFanatic, Zinto, Darth_Vilus
Julio Riddols 2 - JAG, Simbo Klice
JAG 2 - Barkeep, Julio_Riddols
Narcizo 1 - The_Jackal
KWHIT 1 - Autumn
Chubby 1 - KWHIT
Zinto 1 - britrock


Day 2 votes
mckerney 1 - JuLiO
Raiders Army 8 - JaCkAl JaG NaRcIzO RaGoNe McKeRnEy BaRkEeP PaSsAcAgLiA britrock
Jackal 9 - HoOpSgUy PaCkErFaN AuTuMn GoLdEnEaGlE TyKeTiMe KwHiT DaRtH RaIdErS BhLlOy


Day 3 votes
APERTURE SCIENCE SUPER-RADIOACTIVE VOTE TABULATOR 2.0 (Now with decimal places!)


Raiders 1.0 - Packer
Autumn 1.0 - DV
Golden Eagle 6.0 - Barkeep britrock hoops tyketime raiders mckerney
mckerney 1.0 - julio
PF 1.0 - bhlloy
DV 7.0 - Narcizo JAG Marc Ragone kwhit Autumn Golden

[GoldenEagle]

So we lost the seer and one of our quality players in one day. Well played, wolves.

[hoopsguy]

Good luck the rest of the way, everyone.

[Julio Riddols]

So we're down 4 testers overall now?

[britrock88]

Yeah. 5 against 12 now.

[Julio Riddols]

Well at least the odds are getting better on a complete guess.

[tyketime]

Seems to me we've got a couple ways to go. Either focus in on common Jackal & Darth voters, or the couple of players NOT helping us out at all (here's to you Simbo). Any of you have a preference?

[britrock88]

Common voters.

[Julio Riddols]

I'm sticking with Autumn or JAG.

[bhlloy]

Simbo's probably the damn bodyguard at this rate. We almost have to swing for the fences here. I'm assuming a wolf doesn't just not show up for two days straight.

I have to say earlier today I thought Autumn and JAG were playing a nice two man game, then I kinda forgot about it and felt better about Autumn as the day went on. So that's an obvious place to look now.

[bhlloy]

I wonder about McKerney coming into the game as a replacement. I wonder if a replacement had to be found because Chubby wasn't a vanilla villager. And if I think that if that's true, the wolves would have picked up on that and killed him as early as possible.

Which leaves me with a thought that he's more likely to be a wolf than anything else. He's skated so far, generally been pretty quiet and I think he'd be another good name to look at.

[Darth Vilus]

dang, I thought I'd at least make it to day 3 before getting stampeded lol. I was wrong

[Julio Riddols]

I wonder about McKerney coming into the game as a replacement. I wonder if a replacement had to be found because Chubby wasn't a vanilla villager. And if I think that if that's true, the wolves would have picked up on that and killed him as early as possible.

Which leaves me with a thought that he's more likely to be a wolf than anything else. He's skated so far, generally been pretty quiet and I think he'd be another good name to look at.

I think that gives us 3 good names to go for.

[mckerney]

I wonder about McKerney coming into the game as a replacement. I wonder if a replacement had to be found because Chubby wasn't a vanilla villager. And if I think that if that's true, the wolves would have picked up on that and killed him as early as possible.

Which leaves me with a thought that he's more likely to be a wolf than anything else. He's skated so far, generally been pretty quiet and I think he'd be another good name to look at.

Nah, he's just your regular Aperture Science shower curtain salesman turned tester.

[Narcizo]

Not one of our better starts to a game then, in summary. Feels like we need to get a wolf today or we're in a heap of trouble. I think the lack of activity is going to bite us in the behind. Well that and having the seer lynched without a defence or giving any information.

[Narcizo]

Day One

#126 08:48 Jag votes Julio Riddols (1)
#127 09:06 Simbo Klice votes Julio Riddols (2)
#128 09:15 Barkeep49 votes Jag (1)
#135 11:44 Britrock votes Zinto (1)
#136 12:08 Packer votes Autumn (1)
#138 12:33 Jackal votes Narcizo (1)
#143 13:25 Autumn votes KWhit (1)
#146 13:30 Bhlloy votes GoldenEagle (1)
#149 14:05 Narcizo votes GoldenEagle (2)

#153 14:39 Raiders votes Jackal (1)
#154 15:04 Hoops votes Jackal (2)
#155 15:17 Julio votes Jag (2)
#157 15:47 KWit votes Chubby (1)
#161 16:52 Zinto votes Autumn (2)
#166 17:30 GoldenEagle votes Jackal (3)
#168 17:32 Darth Vilus votes Autumn (3)

#170/1 17:33 Jackal attempts to unvote Narcizo and vote GoldenEagle
#174 17:42 Autumn attempts to unvote KWHit and vote Jackal

#182 18:13 Passacaglia votes GoldenEagle (3)

#186 18:17 Autumn points out that we can't unvote

#204 19:18 tyketime votes Jackal (4)
#209 19:32 Ragone votes GoldenEagle (4)


GoldenEagle (4) - Bhlloy (146), Narcizo (149), Passacaglia (182), Ragone (209)
Jackal (4) - Raiders Army (153), Hoops (154), GoldenEagle (166), Tyketime (204)
Autumn (3) - Packers (136), Zinto (161), Darth Vilus (168)
Julio Riddols (2) - Jag (126), Simbo (127)
Jag (2) - Barkeep (128), Julio (155)
Narcizo (1) - Jackal (138)
KWhit (1) - Autumn (143)
Chubby (1) - KWhit (157)
Zinto (1) - Britrock (135)
No Vote (2) - Marc Vaughan, Chubby

[Narcizo]

Day Two

#253 04:12 Narcizo votes Ragone (1)
#260 09:38 Marc Vaughan votes Marc Vaughan (1)
#270 10:59 Passacaglia votes mckerney (1)
#274 11:07 Julio Riddols votes mckerney (2)
#276 11:36 bhlloy votes britrock88 (1)
#280 12:21 Jackal votes Raiders Army (1)
#303 13:14 JAG votes Raiders Army (2)
#304 13:22 Hoops votes Jackal (1)
#317 13:41 Ragone votes mckerney (3)
#325 14:09 Marc Vaughan unvotes Marc Vaughan (0)

#339 14:47 Packer votes Jackal (2)
#348 15:09 Ragone unvotes Chubby (2)
#353 15:17 Autumn votes Jackal (3)
#355 15:20 GoldenEagle votes Jackal (4)
#365 15:48 Narcizo unvotes Ragone (0)
#365 15:48 Narcizo votes Raiders Army (3)
#371 16:07 Ragone votes Raiders Army (4)
#382 17:48 Tyketime votes Jackal (5)

#385 17:58 McKerney replaces Chubby
#391 18:10 Zinto pushes button

#409 18:52 KWhit votes Jackal (6)
#412 18:59 bhlloy unvotes britrock (0)
#412 18:59 bhlloy votes Raiders Army (5)
#416 19:14 McKerney votes Raiders Army (6)
#422 19:34 Darth Vilus votes Jackal (7)
#427 19:41 Raiders Army votes Jackal (8)
#441 21:09 Barkeep votes Raiders Army (7)
#447 21:41 Passacaglia unvotes mckerney (1)
#447 21:41 Passacaglia votes Raiders Army (8)
#474 21:56 Bhlloy unvotes Raiders Army (7)
#474 21:56 Bhlloy votes Jackal (9)
#478 21:57 Britrock votes Raiders Army (8)

Mckerney (1) - Julio (274)
Raiders Army (8) - Jackal (280), Jag (303), Narcizo (365), Ragone (371), mckerney (412), Barkeep (441), Passacaglia (447), Britrock (478)
Jackal (9) - Hoops (304), Packer (339), Autumn (353), GoldenEagle (355), Tyketime (382), KWhit (409), Darth Vilus (422), Raiders Army (427), Bhlloy (474)
No Vote (2) - Marc Vaughan, Simbo Klice
Unable to vote (1) - Zinto

[CrimsonFox]

Test 5

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[CrimsonFox]

Prepare for random button placement and mandatory cube dispersal in a bunch of time. One of you will receive the blue-- *FFFFFFFFFFFFTTT* and *FFFFFT*

You're welcome. Don't mention it...
>*CHIRP*<

[Narcizo]

Day 3

#549 5:07 Narcizo votes Marc Vaughan (1)
#555 7:40 Barkeep votes GoldenEagle (1)
#563 10:39 Autumn votes Raiders Army (1)
#566 11:49 Bhlloy votes Britrock (1)
#567 11:54 Britrock votes Bhlloy (1)
#569 12:10 tyketime votes Britrock (2)

#572 12:24 Marc Vaughan votes Narcizo (1)
#573 12:28 JAG votes Autumn (1)
#576 12:38 Britrock unvotes Bhlloy (0)
#576 12:38 Britrock votes GoldenEagle (2)
#584 13:54 Packer votes Raiders Army (2)
#585 13:55 Julio votes Mckerney (1)
#588 13:59 Bhlloy unvotes Britrock (1)
#588 13:59 Bhlloy votes Autumn (2)

#589 14:09 Darth Vilius votes Autumn (3)
#597 14:18 Hoops votes GoldenEagle (3)
#601 14:32 Autumn unvotes Raiders (1)
#601 14:32 Autumn votes Packer (1)
#602 14:42 Narcizo unvotes Marc Vaughan (0)
#602 14:42 Narcizo votes Darth Vilius (1)
#604 14:50 GoldenEagle votes Packer (2)
#606 15:15 JAG unvotes Autumn (2)
#606 15:15 JAG votes Darth Vilius (2)

#614 16:44 Marc Vaughan unvotes Narcizo (0)
#614 16:44 Marc Vaughan votes Autumn (3)
#616 16:47 Marc Vaughan unvotes Autumn (2)
#616 16:47 Marc Vaughan votes Darth Vilius (3)
#618 16:54 Bhlloy unvotes Autumn (2)
#618 16:54 Bhlloy votes Packers (2)
#620 18:01 Tyketime unvotes Britrock (0)

#628 18:18 Tyketime presses button

#629 18:20 Ragone votes Darth Vilius (4)
#631 18:27 Tyketime votes GoldenEagle (4)
#634 18:36 Raiders Army votes GoldenEagle (5)
#652 20:47 KWhit votes Darth Vilius (5)
#658 20:52 Autumn unvotes Packers (1)
#658 20:52 Autumn votes Darth Vilius (6)
#672 21:25 mckerney votes GoldenEagle (6)
#673 21:31 GoldenEagle unvotes Packer (0)
#673 21:31 GoldenEagle votes Darth Vilius (7)


Darth Vilus (7) - Narcizo (602), JAG (606), Marc Vaughan (616), Ragone (629), KWhit (652), Autumn (658), Goldeneagle (673)
Goldeneagle (6) - Barkeep (555), britrock (576), hoopsguy (597), Tyketime (631), Raiders Army (634), mckerney (672)
Raiders Army (1) - PackerFanatic (584)
Autumn (1) - Darth Vilus (589)
Mckerney (1) - Julio Riddols (585)
PackerFanatic (1) - bhlloy (618)
No Vote: Simbo Klice

[Narcizo]

I want to vote Simbo for the same reason as I voted Marc Vaughan yesterday. Unfortunately we've gotten to the stage where I'm not sure we can afford to vote out non-contributors. We vote out Simbo and we get absolutely no information one way or the other. I remember now why I hate, hate, hate non-contributors early in the game. Once you pass a stage (depending on how successful you've been) you can't afford to vote them because you don't get any info from it.

I have to hold my hand up and admit that I didn't read DV say that he wasn't going to be around yesterday. Not sure it would have made any difference to my vote but I should have, at least, registered it.

[Narcizo]

So with no seer we need to get a wolf or, at worst, get decent information that will get a wolf very soon. Given our current luck I presume that Golden and Raiders are both villagers.

GoldenEagle - yesterday's lack of activity makes me think villager-villager at the end. if not then you'd have to look at Autumn and KWhit for their votes on DV down the stretch. From day one you can look at tyketime pushing Jackal ahead of GE near the end.

Raiders Army - other than the obvious Bhlloy switch you don't seem to see much of a defence if Raiders is a baddy. You have to look earlier in the day to KWhit and tyketime if you're looking for someone protecting a wolf Raiders. If Raiders is a villager then I think Bhlloy looks very good.

I think we'd probably be barking up the wrong tree with Raiders and Golden. Doesn't get me any closer to whose tree would be the right one. I shall have a reread of the thread.

[Narcizo]

Okey-dokey. Well, reading through didn't help as much as I'd hoped. I have some questions that I'll have to wait ages for the answers to;

Britrock - have you played werewolf before? Or read along much?

tyketime - did anything happen from the button push that wasn't mentioned in thread and that won't be detrimental to the villager cause for you to mention.

People down on Packer. I can buy Autumn's argument about an easy vote on Raiders but what else is pinging you about Packer. I can't really remember - is he posting less than usual or is there something actually in his tone that seems suspect?

[Simbo Klice]

Sup Guys? Apologies on the lack of voting, I'm used to longer deadlines and really a whole different style of play than this in my games. I'll be active and voting from here on out though, starting now.

Vote: Autumn

Was one of the last voters on DV. Oh, and he killed me in the Dungeon.

[JAG]

I think we go with Autumn or JAG. JAG didn't seem too upset about Darth going down.

In thread, this is true, though only because I twice deleted the expletive I had written in my last post. My real life reaction was worse.

[JAG]

Narc, no vote from Passacaglia Day 3 also. Two people with no posts from that day.

[Narcizo]

Narc, no vote from Passacaglia Day 3 also. Two people with no posts from that day.

Very unusual for Passa to miss a vote. In fact he's normally a lot more active as well.

Can't help but feel that all this is going to kill us in the end.

[Narcizo]

I think we go with Autumn or JAG. JAG didn't seem too upset about Darth going down.

In thread, this is true, though only because I twice deleted the expletive I had written in my last post. My real life reaction was worse.

No, sorry. No public wailing and gnashing of teeth means you must be a wolf.

[Narcizo]

Anyway, based on the icons for this test, I suggest that no-one tries drinking anything or going for a swim today.

[JAG]

I've looked at the voting for about 20 minutes but I haven't seen anything I feel great about hanging my hat on when I add that to my impressions of people.