WW CXLVI: Portal GAME OVER - Test8

[Barkeep49]

To me, it feels like the closest message our seer left us was an Anti-Autumn bias. Not surprisingly Autumn was also one of the most vocal people against our seer.

Vote Autumn

[tyketime]

tyketime - did anything happen from the button push that wasn't mentioned in thread and that won't be detrimental to the villager cause for you to mention.


No. Nothing happened. But it seems like perhaps I wasn't eligible to push the button. A couple players made reference to getting a PM. I didn't know anything about that, and so it seems like my button press was a non- event.

[Barkeep49]

No. Nothing happened. But it seems like perhaps I wasn't eligible to push the button. A couple players made reference to getting a PM. I didn't know anything about that, and so it seems like my button press was a non- event.
Have to say I'm still not a fan of your button press. Seemed rash given the posts bitrock had at the time and only looks more rash in retrospect.

[tyketime]

I want to vote Simbo for the same reason as I voted Marc Vaughan yesterday. Unfortunately we've gotten to the stage where I'm not sure we can afford to vote out non-contributors. We vote out Simbo and we get absolutely no information one way or the other. I remember now why I hate, hate, hate non-contributors early in the game. Once you pass a stage (depending on how successful you've been) you can't afford to vote them because you don't get any info from it.

Narc, I hear ya. But sheesh... I'd hate to think this is a strategy that would become effective. He posted he will be more active. I haven't played with him before, so I have no sense at all of his style. I would at least like to see him helping us out. So I'm gonna vote him. I'll gladly change it later if he really does start contributing. I just think we need to spur some conversation on - seemed a little quieter yesterday.

VOTE SIMBO

[tyketime]

Have to say I'm still not a fan of your button press. Seemed rash given the posts bitrock had at the time and only looks more rash in retrospect.

I'm not sure why you'd characterize it as rash. I asked in thread for thoughts ( picking up on britrock's comment). But there was no response. I then had to leave for the movie. I suppose I could have left it for others to decide. CF is obviously still introducing mechanics into the game if anyone could push it the first time and only a certain subset could yesterday. If anything, I at least flushed out the whole PM concept for the button push.

[Ragone]

vote autumn

Anyone who doesn't vote autumn today is a wolf.. autumn was the target of our seer and a easy vote.. really need to watch people who try to sway votes as well

[Simbo Klice]

Well I guess I can keep posting if it makes you guys feel better about me. :) Seriously not used to just being completely vanilla, most of the games we play over at GDS, everyone has a role of some sort. Kind of makes any sort of defense besides your voting tough... But in that front I would like to state that my 0-for-0 is currently the best average going.

Also, lynch the inactives is usually a scum play in my experience. They don't put up a defense, and townies can at least convince themselves that even if the lynchee isn't a scum, they weren't as valuable in the first place.

[Simbo Klice]

vote autumn

Anyone who doesn't vote autumn today is a wolf.. autumn was the target of our seer and a easy vote.. really need to watch people who try to sway votes as well

I agree that he's kind of the obvious vote... In the likely occurrence that he does go up and comes up wolf I'll be looking at tyketime for putting my name out there instead.

[Narcizo]

vote autumn

Anyone who doesn't vote autumn today is a wolf.. autumn was the target of our seer and a easy vote.. really need to watch people who try to sway votes as well

Umm.... On the plus side this tends to make me think you're probably a villager because I don't think a wolf would draw that line. On the downside the statement is just nonsense. If nothing else a landslide benefits no-one, no matter Autumn's allegiance. If that means you want to "watch" me then so be it.

The current run on Autumn is worrying me. I'm not saying that I'm sure he isn't a wolf but he really hasn't struck me as being wolf-Autumn this game. So ok you might say that he was trying to snipe Raiders yesterday and came up with an explanation when he got called out on it but I don't really see it.

[PackerFanatic]

I think, as Narc said, we'd be hard-pressed to vote someone like Simbo or MV today. We just gain nothing useful if they are vanilla. I like the options of Autumn and JAG at this point, although I need to look back a little more.

[PackerFanatic]

Another thought I just had - was it noted that Simbo did not get penalized for his missed vote? Did I miss something about this just being on day 1?

[Narcizo]

eek. Time has flown. I shall have to leave without voting.

[Simbo Klice]

Another thought I just had - was it noted that Simbo did not get penalized for his missed vote? Did I miss something about this just being on day 1?

I'm pretty sure this was only day 1 and only effecting day 1, don't think I was the only person to miss on day 2 and nobody had 3 votes added on day 2 or 3.

[Marc Vaughan]

vote autumn

Anyone who doesn't vote autumn today is a wolf.. autumn was the target of our seer and a easy vote.. really need to watch people who try to sway votes as well

vote Autumn

I concur with your conjecture - of course should Autumn turn out to be innocent then now we'll both be lynched on the spot ;)

[Marc Vaughan]

Also, lynch the inactives is usually a scum play in my experience. They don't put up a defense, and townies can at least convince themselves that even if the lynchee isn't a scum, they weren't as valuable in the first place.

I don't really understand the reasoning behind lynching inactives tbh - if they're 'bad guys' then they're no threat, if they're 'good guys' then they' ballast if you need survivors for winning ...

Also voting them out tells you absolutely NOTHING regarding the game or other people in it.

(just saying)

[Ragone]

I agree that he's kind of the obvious vote... In the likely occurrence that he does go up and comes up wolf I'll be looking at tyketime for putting my name out there instead.

I Agree with this sentiment..

[Ragone]

Umm.... On the plus side this tends to make me think you're probably a villager because I don't think a wolf would draw that line. On the downside the statement is just nonsense. If nothing else a landslide benefits no-one, no matter Autumn's allegiance. If that means you want to "watch" me then so be it.

The current run on Autumn is worrying me. I'm not saying that I'm sure he isn't a wolf but he really hasn't struck me as being wolf-Autumn this game. So ok you might say that he was trying to snipe Raiders yesterday and came up with an explanation when he got called out on it but I don't really see it.

Thats just it narcizo.. no matter how non sense my statement was, the wolves still will try to dissuade us or vote for random people.. such as tyke's vote for simbo..

i think we've already got 2 possibly 3 wolves vetted.. its just a race now.

[Ragone]

vote Autumn

I concur with your conjecture - of course should Autumn turn out to be innocent then now we'll both be lynched on the spot ;)

you get me lynched i'm done buying football manager games!

just kidding..

[JAG]

Thats just it narcizo.. no matter how non sense my statement was, the wolves still will try to dissuade us or vote for random people.. such as tyke's vote for simbo..

i think we've already got 2 possibly 3 wolves vetted.. its just a race now.

Who are they Ragone? Other than Autumn?

[Simbo Klice]

Thats just it narcizo.. no matter how non sense my statement was, the wolves still will try to dissuade us or vote for random people.. such as tyke's vote for simbo..

i think we've already got 2 possibly 3 wolves vetted.. its just a race now.

I'm with you on Autumn and tyketime, who's on your radar as the third, if you don't mind me asking?

[Barkeep49]

Have to say I'm still not a fan of your button press. Seemed rash given the posts bitrock had at the time and only looks more rash in retrospect.

Can we come to some agreement that only those who've received the appropriate PM will push the button? Since I've gotten no PM, I'm not pushing the button, and it would be helpful if others who've not gotten the PM join me in not squandering an opportunity.

[JAG]

Third day in a row I've had that weird throw down a comment at the same time as someone else, each time with a different person. Very strange.

[Marc Vaughan]

I'm new to WW - but out of interest if someone has a special ability/situation why didn't they come out and say it to everyone publicly? .... I presume its allowed and would be to me at least the obvious way to try and draw out 'Wolves' .... ie. set yourself up as a potential target.

[Simbo Klice]

Third day in a row I've had that weird throw down a comment at the same time as someone else, each time with a different person. Very strange.

That just means you have a very logical mind and ask the right questions. ;)

[PackerFanatic]

I'm new to WW - but out of interest if someone has a special ability/situation why didn't they come out and say it to everyone publicly? .... I presume its allowed and would be to me at least the obvious way to try and draw out 'Wolves' .... ie. set yourself up as a potential target.

There's a lot of different ways to play it, and it all depends on your style and the situation in the game. If you're talking about DV last night, it sounds like he wasn't really around at the end to try and save himself anyway. It's hard to put it in general terms, since it's totally based on the person playing - but it is allowed and done at times.

[Simbo Klice]

I'm new to WW - but out of interest if someone has a special ability/situation why didn't they come out and say it to everyone publicly? .... I presume its allowed and would be to me at least the obvious way to try and draw out 'Wolves' .... ie. set yourself up as a potential target.

It would be a good way to get protection, but for the very reason you just mentioned (being a bigger target) seers/investigators especially are usually not claimed until the endgame usually, because their role can make the difference.

[Ragone]

I'm with you on Autumn and tyketime, who's on your radar as the third, if you don't mind me asking?

i've been leary of ge all along... but also julio.. who has never voted for anyone other then mckernchubby. trying to fly low under the radar.. never taking a stance.

[Barkeep49]

i've been leary of ge all along... but also julio.. who has never voted for anyone other then mckernchubby. trying to fly low under the radar.. never taking a stance.
Glad you brought him up, as his actions have definitely flown beneath my radar.

[Simbo Klice]

i've been leary of ge all along... but also julio.. who has never voted for anyone other then mckernchubby. trying to fly low under the radar.. never taking a stance.

GoldenEagle's been among the leaders and survived a couple times now, hasn't he? I could see that... I don't really know anyone's typical style here, so that hasn't really been taken into account with me. But if enough established players feel a certain way, I'll take their word for it.

[JAG]

i've been leary of ge all along... but also julio.. who has never voted for anyone other then mckernchubby. trying to fly low under the radar.. never taking a stance.

Can you expand on why you feel uneasy about GE? Not trying to interrogate you, just want to see if I've missed anything I should consider.

[Julio Riddols]

My chiffon and I are worried that our stance as being against wolves has not been made clear. I have a specific few in mind, and one of them is leading the voting at this point, so that is who I am voting for. I believe he is one of the ones with the teeth and a good sway his way early makes me think he can be the first one we successfully eliminate.

[Julio Riddols]

Oh yeah, forgot to vote.

VOTE AUTUMN

[Julio Riddols]

i've been leary of ge all along... but also julio.. who has never voted for anyone other then mckernchubby. trying to fly low under the radar.. never taking a stance.

I voted for JAG on day one, he is also one of the three I think are most likely to be wolves.

[JAG]

I voted for JAG on day one, he is also one of the three I think are most likely to be wolves.

Why?

[Passacaglia]

Hi guys, sorry about yesterday. I had a job interview during the day, and a class on raising twins in the evening, and I didn't think about how both of those being on the same day would give me no time here. I still have to write some thank yous, but then I'll catch up and post if I'm still alive.

[KWhit]

Have to say I'm still not a fan of your button press. Seemed rash given the posts bitrock had at the time and only looks more rash in retrospect.

I agree with this. And I thought his theory that Jackal was sending us a message about britrock was odd too. He seems a bit suspicious to me.

[bhlloy]

I'm new to WW - but out of interest if someone has a special ability/situation why didn't they come out and say it to everyone publicly? .... I presume its allowed and would be to me at least the obvious way to try and draw out 'Wolves' .... ie. set yourself up as a potential target.

With all due respect to DV, you are absolutely correct. If you are the seer, you just can't let yourself be lynched without a reveal. Even if he didn't catch a wolf in his first two days, he could have cleared a couple players and also got a third scan in (with the presence of a BG)

Without a seer, we're pretty much stuffed.

As for voting, seems like Autumn has pretty much been condemned. I think he's a decent candidate but I think it's a huge leap to suggest that because DV voted for him, he must have known he was a wolf. If DV had a wolf and still didn't think to reveal on day 3, that's a horrible play.

I'm going to go with the mckerney line of thinking, at least for a while. I actually feel stronger about him than I did last night. He's way, way under the radar and I question why he's still alive

vote mckerney

[KWhit]

But I'm going to vote Autumn. It seems to me that a seer wouldn't vote for the same person 2 out of 3 days unless he knew something.

VOTE AUTUMN

[bhlloy]

Umm.... On the plus side this tends to make me think you're probably a villager because I don't think a wolf would draw that line. On the downside the statement is just nonsense. If nothing else a landslide benefits no-one, no matter Autumn's allegiance. If that means you want to "watch" me then so be it.

The current run on Autumn is worrying me. I'm not saying that I'm sure he isn't a wolf but he really hasn't struck me as being wolf-Autumn this game. So ok you might say that he was trying to snipe Raiders yesterday and came up with an explanation when he got called out on it but I don't really see it.

I agree 100% with this, FWIW

[KWhit]

Day 1:

Vote Autumn
Putting this down so I dont forget later


Day 3:
Vote Autumn

Not gonna be around today because of work. Was thinking about voting him yesterday but I seriously doubted that he would have gathered any traction

I don't think the seer would do that unless he had good info on Autumn.

[Barkeep49]

It does seem like pretty normal behavior for a seer to scan someone they vote for D1. This consecutive day voting really does seem like a great way for DV to have sent us a message in a circumstance like this where he wasn't able to do a formal reveal.

[Julio Riddols]

JAG, you're probably the least likely of the three I suspect, and I am basing that mostly on the sense of slight bemusement I felt you expressed when DV went down. Its not much to go on at this point, I admit.

My main two at this point are Autumn and mckerney actually. mckerney has been quiet mostly, but also very cryptic with his brief statements. He has been playing coyly innocent in the least believable way of all of us so far, IMO.

Autumn because he was voted for 2 times by DV, who was the seer. The first time DV made sure he voted autumn, which has me believing he wanted to make sure he cast his vote since he knew something. My main question there is how long was DV the seer?

Another creeping up my board is GE, who introduced himself as a Vanilla Villager on day one instead of as a tester.

[Autumn]

All I can tell you guys is that Darth definitely did not scan me. I can see where you'd draw the conclusion, and it's not a bad percentage play to go with to vote me given how little other information we have. But at least pay attention to who jumps on the bandwagon, as well as who tries to have be the good guy by not voting the guy he knows is a villager.

All I can really say is, DV got lynched day 3 without revealing, so saying "a seer would never do ..." doesn't necessarily apply in this case. I think all we can say is that he didn't catch a wolf in any of the other lead vote getters.

[Autumn]

JAG, you're probably the least likely of the three I suspect, and I am basing that mostly on the sense of slight bemusement I felt you expressed when DV went down. Its not much to go on at this point, I admit.

My main two at this point are Autumn and mckerney actually. mckerney has been quiet mostly, but also very cryptic with his brief statements. He has been playing coyly innocent in the least believable way of all of us so far, IMO.

Autumn because he was voted for 2 times by DV, who was the seer. The first time DV made sure he voted autumn, which has me believing he wanted to make sure he cast his vote since he knew something. My main question there is how long was DV the seer?

Another creeping up my board is GE, who introduced himself as a Vanilla Villager on day one instead of as a tester.

Didn't DV vote me the first time on Day 1? He obviously didn't know anything more than anyone else at that point. The only question for you guys is if his Day 3 vote means anything. If he scanned me because I was his day one vote, he likely would have scanned me night 1. If he did, and I was a wolf, why no vote day 2? If I was seer I would make sure I made a post right after deadline that mentioned the wolf I had found so people can find it later, at the very least. If he didn't scan me until night two, waht did he post between deadline and his vote for me?

I have the benefit of knowing that he didn't scan me, so I guess it looks less convincing to me, but if the only post he made after deadline is voting me, I can't argue much about that.

[Autumn]

I'm going to go back to my other vote from yesterday. Nothing PackerFanatic has posted since has changed my mind that he might be a good suspect.

<b>vote packerfanatic</b>

[KWhit]

All I can tell you guys is that Darth definitely did not scan me. I can see where you'd draw the conclusion, and it's not a bad percentage play to go with to vote me given how little other information we have. But at least pay attention to who jumps on the bandwagon, as well as who tries to have be the good guy by not voting the guy he knows is a villager.

How would any good guy know you were a villager? Unless it was the seer. Who, remember, actually VOTED FOR YOU TWICE and said he wanted to vote for you a 3rd time.

[PackerFanatic]

All I can tell you guys is that Darth definitely did not scan me.

Do you say this because you have a role that allows you to know that or simply because you're a villager?

[Autumn]

Do you say this because you have a role that allows you to know that or simply because you're a villager?

Because I'm a villager. If he had scanned me he wouldn't have voted me.

[Julio Riddols]

I like the building intrigue today. Think there are gonna be a lot of good nuggets out there as we reach the deadline.

[Autumn]

How would any good guy know you were a villager? Unless it was the seer. Who, remember, actually VOTED FOR YOU TWICE and said he wanted to vote for you a 3rd time.

I'm saying a wolf might try to look like a good guy. The wolves know I'm not one of them, so they may try to hide in a landslide, or alternately make sure they don't end up on me so they can say "well, I didn't kill a villager, you guys did."

[JAG]

I think, as Narc said, we'd be hard-pressed to vote someone like Simbo or MV today. We just gain nothing useful if they are vanilla. I like the options of Autumn and JAG at this point, although I need to look back a little more.

Why me PF?

[PackerFanatic]

No particular reason. You seemed to bury your votes early and were the 2nd vote on DV yesterday. I think looking at the group of DV voters is probably our best bet today and you're as good a bet as the rest of them at this point, honestly :)

[Barkeep49]

I'm saying a wolf might try to look like a good guy. The wolves know I'm not one of them, so they may try to hide in a landslide, or alternately make sure they don't end up on me so they can say "well, I didn't kill a villager, you guys did."
This has traditionally been one of my favorite wolf moves. Frustration over it not working in one game even caused me to base a whole ruleset around rewarding players who made good decisions with their voting.

[JAG]

Day 2: The common votes for The Jackal are Hoops, GoldenEagle, Tyketime, and Raiders Army. Bhlloy also came in with the vote-deciding switcheroo at the last minute. If I had to bet, those are the five wolves, right there.

Yeah. 5 against 12 now.

Britrock, a few times you've mentioned this is your first game, yet in these two quoted posts you're speaking with certainty about there being five wolves, yet I don't recall anyone talking about wolf:villager ratios. Can you explain why you're so sure of this?

[bhlloy]

Autumn has a point here guys. If he was DV's night one scan, why no day 2 vote and why no reveal?

I think autumn is a fine candidate as I suspected him before DV was killed and Im not necessarily opposed to to him going down today. I just don't see it as some obvious runaway. Barring the possibility that DV wasn't playing deer by the rule book (which appears to be the case as he let himself get lynched without a reveal)

[bhlloy]

Seer not deer. Damn you autocorrect

Although its entirely possible he was playing with deer as well. No judge

[Autumn]

That could explain why he forgot to show up and reveal.

[JAG]

No particular reason. You seemed to bury your votes early and were the 2nd vote on DV yesterday. I think looking at the group of DV voters is probably our best bet today and you're as good a bet as the rest of them at this point, honestly :)

As good a bet as the rest of them, yet you singled me out in particular. Why do you feel the group of DV voters is better than, say, the group of Jackal voters, seeing as both were found to be villagers? Your comment about burying votes early is interesting too, seeing as your voting record includes the first vote on Autumn day 1, the second vote on Jackal day 2, and the second vote on RA day 3.

[tyketime]

Home for lunch.

Unofficial Vote Totals

Autumn (6) : Simbo(744), Barkeep(751), Ragone(756), MarcV(764), Julio (782), KWhit(788)

Simbo (1): Tyketime (754)

Mckerney (1): bhlloy(787)

Packerfanatic (1): Autumn (795)

[PackerFanatic]

As good a bet as the rest of them, yet you singled me out in particular. Why do you feel the group of DV voters is better than, say, the group of Jackal voters, seeing as both were found to be villagers? Your comment about burying votes early is interesting too, seeing as your voting record includes the first vote on Autumn day 1, the second vote on Jackal day 2, and the second vote on RA day 3.

And you'll notice I didn't say my record was pristine either :)

[bhlloy]

I still don't feel warm and fuzzy about PF either for the record. Think he was a far better choice than DV yesterday. If he's the one to get behind so we can at least have a second option today I'm all for that, although I'd like to see McKerney sweat it out even more. That sounded a little wrong

[tyketime]

Obviously the group doesn't subscribe to the theory that the quieter ones are worth placing a vote or two on. That's cool - just a pet peeve of mine. And besides, he has been more active today. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, for now.

UNVOTE SIMBO.


All I can tell you guys is that Darth definitely did not scan me. I can see where you'd draw the conclusion, and it's not a bad percentage play to go with to vote me given how little other information we have. But at least pay attention to who jumps on the bandwagon, as well as who tries to have be the good guy by not voting the guy he knows is a villager.

Autumn - I guess I'm a little confused here. Sounds like you are condemning those that vote for you from this point on as well as those who don't. Seems to me that's kinda having it both ways, right? Or did I misunderstand your point?

[Julio Riddols]

Unvote Autumn

Vote McKerney

I feel better about voting mckerney than I do autumn at this point.

[tyketime]

Seems to me we've got a couple ways to go. Either focus in on common Jackal & Darth voters, or the couple of players NOT helping us out at all (here's to you Simbo). Any of you have a preference?
So if we've nixed the quiet votes for now, I guess we look at the voting records. Based on the common Jackal & Darth voters, I see three names:

KWhit
Autumn
Goldeneagle

[JAG]

I wouldn't give GE as much negative weighting for his self-defense vote.

[tyketime]

True enough. Sometimes the votes are less revealing without proper context.

[Autumn]

Autumn - I guess I'm a little confused here. Sounds like you are condemning those that vote for you from this point on as well as those who don't. Seems to me that's kinda having it both ways, right? Or did I misunderstand your point?

Well, this is Werewolf. Condeming 99% of the participants is part of the game!

Obviously there will be lots of villagers who vote for me because it makes sense, and villagers who will not vote for me because they don't want a landslide. And until, or if, I am lynched, the village will be looking at voters to see if anyone is going to save me, thinking the're going to catch a wolf.

I just want to highlight that, since I know there are no wolves trying to save me, the only thing the village can get out of lynching me is looking for where wolves hide thier votes when there's a runaway on a villager. It's hard to distinguish those from actual villagers, of course, but maybe someone will get something out of it.

[Simbo Klice]

Britrock, a few times you've mentioned this is your first game, yet in these two quoted posts you're speaking with certainty about there being five wolves, yet I don't recall anyone talking about wolf:villager ratios. Can you explain why you're so sure of this?

This is a pretty good catch JAG. Britrock?

[Marc Vaughan]

Because I'm a villager. If he had scanned me he wouldn't have voted me.

Thats possible I suppose, do bear in mind however I'm a newbie and tbh have no real idea what a Seer is - from the sounds of things they're basically a mine detector for bad guys able to scan someone, I presume once per day by the sounds of things.

Autumn is suggesting that the Seer basically hit 'cold' continually - in which case he was voting as blind as anyone else and happened to vote for Autumn.

The problem is that he voted for the same person twice, thats not the act of someone who isn't sure imho - thats the voting of someone who knows something ...

[bhlloy]

Except on the first day Marc, he couldn't have known anything. And if he did scan his day 1 vote (which is a common play) and found Autumn to be Wolfy, why not vote for him on day 2 or just reveal at that point?

I guess it's believable that he didn't scan Autumn until day 2, and thought he would try to get another day in before a reveal. It's possible, but not how I would play as a seer.

[bhlloy]

And again I'm not arguing against Autumn per se. I think there's a pretty good chance he does come up wolf

I am arguing against a runaway however. We learn very little from that and maybe one of the other guys we are discussing is a wolf as well.

[GoldenEagle]

I think a vote for PF could give us more information about Autmun. That is twice now that he has tried to create voting friction between himself and PF with very little chance of it catching on.

If the wolves figure Autumn is bound to get lynched anyway, then voting for other wolves would be a good way to hide it. If Autumn figures he is not going to get lynched, then it is a good place to hide a vote and create some doubt if one of them gets nabbed.

There is also the chance that Autum is a villager who just senses that PF is a wolf.

All that adds up to where I am putting my vote today, at least for the time being. Subject to change as always.

VOTE PACKER FANATIC

[Narcizo]

Britrock, a few times you've mentioned this is your first game, yet in these two quoted posts you're speaking with certainty about there being five wolves, yet I don't recall anyone talking about wolf:villager ratios. Can you explain why you're so sure of this?

Yeah this was the reason for my question to Britrock before. I've been kind of assuming five wolves based of experience on these boards but I think there's a lot of places where 5 would be seen as a bit high. I don't think it's a certainty though - which made me wonder if Brit knows there's five and slipped up by saying it so matter-of-factly. I didn't vote because I was waiting on an answer from Brit.

There's also the stuff Bhlloy pointed out about Britrock waiting and waiting before making the day two vote until Bhlloy shifted his vote allowing Brit to put in a meaningless vote on Raiders. Even if you assume Raiders is villager a wolf wouldn't want to put themselves in the position of being seen as the one to lynch a villager by making the decisive vote. Got to give Brit some leeway as a rookie villager might not want to make that decision either but still.

[bhlloy]

Yeah I'm giving him a pass as a first time player, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me to see him as an inexperienced wolf either.

[Passacaglia]

Excellent. You have now voted for another tester who we have sealed in a glass cube on a moving platform. Everyone wave to him. See how he waves back. He is so happy he has won, he is screaming for joy. Please put on your protective sunglasses and stand away from the edge as Darth Vilus now will ride the slow descent into the surrounding flames. Do not inhale the fumes although you can do with his ashes as you will. Ah there they are now! Oh that tasted so good. So, so good that tester.

http://cdn.wikimg.net/strategywiki/images/thumb/a/aa/Portal_19_portal6.jpg/180px-Portal_19_portal6.jpg

The platform comes to a stop. All that is left of DV amid the ash is a nametag from his orange jumpsuit that reads "Chell". DV was CHELL, the SEER. He was an excellent tester on the side of good.


Damn, I go away for a day, and this happens? Blah.

[Passacaglia]

Very unusual for Passa to miss a vote. In fact he's normally a lot more active as well.

Can't help but feel that all this is going to kill us in the end.

Yeah, sorry about that! I didn't think about how my day and evening were both going to be taken up. I had an hour and a half in between my two events, but that was mostly taken up with driving and eating, and I didn't want to do a drive-by vote when I wouldn't have really known what was going on.

[Narcizo]

Cutting to the chase the only time I'll be happy with a runaway vote is when a seer has come out and outed a wolf. I think the case against Autumn is decent even if I'm not getting a wolf vibe off of him.

The choices to avoid a runaway vote look like Packer or Mckerney. I'm not getting the case against mckerney particularly the meta-gamey nature for arguing that he had to come in as a replacement for a wolf. I see the logic in the case that Autumn made against Packer yesterday so I think I'll be going a-there. I'm also trying to avoid the grand-unifying theory but Packer made his RA vote when Britrock seemed to be getting some heat.

Vote Packers

[Narcizo]

Vote count as of #827 - building on tyke's count.

Autumn (5) : Simbo(744), Barkeep(751), Ragone(756), MarcV(764), KWhit(788)

Mckerney (2): bhlloy(787), Julio Riddols (813)

Packerfanatic (3): Autumn (795), GoldenEagle (822), Nacizo (827)

[bhlloy]

I'll make the switch then. I like PF just as much as I like Autumn for this one

Unvote McKerney
Vote PF

[bhlloy]

I will add that I get a distinct feeling that Julio has done a lot of piggybacking onto relatively safe votes this game, although its just from recollection

[PackerFanatic]

Looks like I need to save myself a bit, and I did like the Autumn theory to begin with.

VOTE AUTUMN

[Narcizo]

Someone talk to me about something. I feel like everybody is pretty suspicious but at the same time I don't really have much of an idea about where to go with this. You've got the likes of Passa, Simbo and MV disappearing and the dearth of voting information and I've got to go soon.

I still think Raiders and GoldenEagle are villagers. That means we were villager-villager every day. I wish I could interpret Darth's votes as indicative of a negative scan of Autumn but it wouldn't surprise me if it's just Darth being Darth. I'm starting to think that Packer has been a bit off this game so I guess I'm happy enough with my vote but it feels like we should have more to go on on day four.

[Passacaglia]

Narc, I'm around. Busy and feeling not-quite-caught-up, but around.

[JAG]

I think it's pretty likely RA is a villager, not quite as sure about GE but I feel reasonably ok about him.

[Passacaglia]

Do you mean Autumn instead of Raiders, Narc?

[Narcizo]

All I'd say is that people seem to be looking at people who have voted Darth and/or Jackal. That's understandable but actually turns out to be completely meaningless if the competition were also villagers. You're just looking at people because they had the misfortune to land on the winning side. I think you need to look at the context of the vote. And, erm, stuff.

With these confused words I bid you adieu.

[Narcizo]

Do you mean Autumn instead of Raiders, Narc?

When?

[PackerFanatic]

Someone talk to me about something. I feel like everybody is pretty suspicious but at the same time I don't really have much of an idea about where to go with this. You've got the likes of Passa, Simbo and MV disappearing and the dearth of voting information and I've got to go soon.

I still think Raiders and GoldenEagle are villagers. That means we were villager-villager every day. I wish I could interpret Darth's votes as indicative of a negative scan of Autumn but it wouldn't surprise me if it's just Darth being Darth. I'm starting to think that Packer has been a bit off this game so I guess I'm happy enough with my vote but it feels like we should have more to go on on day four.

It's what I get for taking so many games off...trying to get back into the swing of things and actually contribute...as much as I can :)

[Narcizo]

Ah! No. I'm not as sure about Autumn as Raiders, ironically. I was looking at my vote tallies and seeing who the close-run seconds are.

I'm a bit dubious of people experienced enough to know better pushing a landslide on Autumn whether Autumn is a wolf or villager. But I don't have to time to try and argue against KWhit now to be honest. I'm a bit upset that this seems to have turned into a 2-horse race so soon as well. In fact that seems to have been a problem day two and three as well.

[Passacaglia]

When?

Wha?

[Narcizo]

Meh! Night all.

[PackerFanatic]

It doesn't help no one seems to be on much before 5-ish CST - at least that is how it seems to me. A lot of vote-and-dash going on :)

[Passacaglia]

Ah! No. I'm not as sure about Autumn as Raiders, ironically. I was looking at my vote tallies and seeing who the close-run seconds are.

I'm a bit dubious of people experienced enough to know better pushing a landslide on Autumn whether Autumn is a wolf or villager. But I don't have to time to try and argue against KWhit now to be honest. I'm a bit upset that this seems to have turned into a 2-horse race so soon as well. In fact that seems to have been a problem day two and three as well.

I'm down. But what's your thinking that makes you think we're villager-villager now, anyway? I generally think that people who are getting lots of votes are more likely to be villagers, but the way this has gone, with Autumn leaping out in front, then people coming in "to make it a race" makes me wonder about him. That said, I don't want to vote him, since, well, I want to make it a race. :p

[Simbo Klice]

I'm down. But what's your thinking that makes you think we're villager-villager now, anyway? I generally think that people who are getting lots of votes are more likely to be villagers, but the way this has gone, with Autumn leaping out in front, then people coming in "to make it a race" makes me wonder about him. That said, I don't want to vote him, since, well, I want to make it a race. :p

Yeah, as long as "make it a race" doesn't turn into "surprise winner" a little dissension is fine with me... But I feel like Autumn is the right lynch today. I actually thought PackerFanatic made some pretty good points in the short times I was on earlier, but I can see the logic behind votes for him if people think he's acting a little "off".

[KWhit]

I wouldn't mind seeing it be a legitimate 2-horse race either. I just think that DV's posts and votes for Autumn mean 1 of 2 things.

1) Autumn is a wolf
2) DV played the seer really badly

I'm hoping that it is #1 and frankly, I think we need to find out tonight what Autumn's deal is. I also think the wolves are smart enough to know that Autumn's gonna get lynched - likely tonight tomorrow night. If Autumn is actually a wolf, I don't think any other wolves would be caught dead trying to save him since he'd likely continue to be a vote-getter every night from now on. It's the ONLY information our seer possibly communicated to us. We have to follow up on it, IMO.

[PackerFanatic]

To be fair to DV, he did say he wasn't going to be around when he posted his vote yesterday and he had no votes on him at the time. It would have been foolish to say anything at that time.

[PackerFanatic]

dola - I am saying that even if Autumn turns out to be a villager...which I think would be pretty surprising at this point.

[Simbo Klice]

To be fair to DV, he did say he wasn't going to be around when he posted his vote yesterday and he had no votes on him at the time. It would have been foolish to say anything at that time.

It would have been foolish for him to claim, but I don't know why you'd vote for someone two days in a row as the seer unless you had a result, knowing that if the worst happens the trail of breadcrumbs you leave is going to someone you don't have anything on.

[Passacaglia]

I wouldn't mind seeing it be a legitimate 2-horse race either. I just think that DV's posts and votes for Autumn mean 1 of 2 things.

1) Autumn is a wolf
2) DV played the seer really badly

I'm hoping that it is #1 and frankly, I think we need to find out tonight what Autumn's deal is. I also think the wolves are smart enough to know that Autumn's gonna get lynched - likely tonight tomorrow night. If Autumn is actually a wolf, I don't think any other wolves would be caught dead trying to save him since he'd likely continue to be a vote-getter every night from now on. It's the ONLY information our seer possibly communicated to us. We have to follow up on it, IMO.

We *have* to? Why? What will it tell us other than whether or not Autumn is a wolf?

[Passacaglia]

Sorry, reading fail on the rest of your post. I get it.

[PackerFanatic]

It would have been foolish for him to claim, but I don't know why you'd vote for someone two days in a row as the seer unless you had a result, knowing that if the worst happens the trail of breadcrumbs you leave is going to someone you don't have anything on.

And that has been my thinking too. I was just saying that even if Autumn were to somehow turn up villager, which seems unlikely, we shouldn't berate DV for "being a horrible seer".

[Simbo Klice]

We *have* to? Why? What will it tell us other than whether or not Autumn is a wolf?

I think he's right in that it's just going to keep coming up, and there's other lynches that could potentially stem from it as well. As far as information from a result one way or the other, I think we'd get the most out of Autumn. We kind of need to get the ball rolling and if Autumn turns up wolf, the dominos start to fall.

[britrock88]

Britrock - have you played werewolf before? Or read along much?

First WW game; read the Amazing Race game to catch the feel of it.

Britrock, a few times you've mentioned this is your first game, yet in these two quoted posts you're speaking with certainty about there being five wolves, yet I don't recall anyone talking about wolf:villager ratios. Can you explain why you're so sure of this?

Yeah this was the reason for my question to Britrock before. I've been kind of assuming five wolves based of experience on these boards but I think there's a lot of places where 5 would be seen as a bit high. I don't think it's a certainty though - which made me wonder if Brit knows there's five and slipped up by saying it so matter-of-factly. I didn't vote because I was waiting on an answer from Brit.

There's also the stuff Bhlloy pointed out about Britrock waiting and waiting before making the day two vote until Bhlloy shifted his vote allowing Brit to put in a meaningless vote on Raiders. Even if you assume Raiders is villager a wolf wouldn't want to put themselves in the position of being seen as the one to lynch a villager by making the decisive vote. Got to give Brit some leeway as a rookie villager might not want to make that decision either but still.

Got the 25%-ish ratio from the one WW game I read. Given that the wolves won, I certainly wouldn't expect it to be any more. It could be the case that there are only 4 here (given how tough a go we've had of it so far)... but I imagined 5 in my mind.

Got delayed for one flight today, so I can't guarantee any deadline activity. For now, I will jump on the wagon that are accepting DV's suggestion.

VOTE AUTUMN

[Simbo Klice]

And that has been my thinking too. I was just saying that even if Autumn were to somehow turn up villager, which seems unlikely, we shouldn't berate DV for "being a horrible seer".

That's also true. Going from 0 to lynched is something nobody could predict, running him up after he said he'd be away was probably the worst decision out of all this.

[Julio Riddols]

The waters continue getting cloudier and cloudier. It looks like a 2 man race as of now, and I think the 3rd man is also a good candidate for being a wolf.. but then I wonder if maybe I let myself be swayed a bit too soon. I may find my vote reverting back to Autumn if there is a tie near the deadline and mckerney isn't a part of it. I think Autumn has more of a chance of being a wolf than Packerfanatic.. But I don't really have an opinion of Packer yet.

[Julio Riddols]

I do think 2 of the 3 on the ballot as of right now are wolves, however.

[Ragone]

If autumn is a wolf as we all suspect at this point.. a hit list of wolf suspects would likely entail everyone
Who has piled on packer,. Which supports my feeling that ge is also wolfy

[PackerFanatic]

The waters continue getting cloudier and cloudier. It looks like a 2 man race as of now, and I think the 3rd man is also a good candidate for being a wolf.. but then I wonder if maybe I let myself be swayed a bit too soon. I may find my vote reverting back to Autumn if there is a tie near the deadline and mckerney isn't a part of it. I think Autumn has more of a chance of being a wolf than Packerfanatic.. But I don't really have an opinion of Packer yet.

Oh you know you like me, Julio ;)

[Julio Riddols]

If autumn is a wolf as we all suspect at this point.. a hit list of wolf suspects would likely entail everyone
Who has piled on packer,. Which supports my feeling that ge is also wolfy

He is one of the ones on my list of probables as well.

[Julio Riddols]

Oh you know you like me, Julio ;)

It is entirely possible that you are right.

[mckerney]

I will admit to having absolutely no clue at this point.

[CrimsonFox]

Button 1->http://samplereality.com/gmu/portal/archive/fullsize/d0aa5400c53e98c1b4f275df47853949.jpg
Button 2->http://samplereality.com/gmu/portal/archive/fullsize/d0aa5400c53e98c1b4f275df47853949.jpg

[Julio Riddols]

2... 2 buttons... ah ahh ahhhhh

[bhlloy]

Does that attachment come up weird for everyone else? Or is it intentional?

[Julio Riddols]

I don't think I want to press one.

[bhlloy]

I assume that was a picture of two buttons then?

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah, 2 buttons.

[Ragone]

I wonder if a wolf pushes the button.. nothing would happen.. just saying

[GoldenEagle]

I don't see the buttons either.

[CrimsonFox]

http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/a/a1/Count.jpg
The Count has changed them (the shiny red buttons) from attachments to redirected images in hopes that is better.
(Ah Ah Ah!) Are you on your phones or on a computer? (Ah ah ah!)

[Autumn]

The problem is that he voted for the same person twice, thats not the act of someone who isn't sure imho - thats the voting of someone who knows something ...

I'm sure at least half of the people in this game have done that actually.

[CrimsonFox]

*fffffft FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT*

My voice is getting tired. It is so tedious sometimes announcing these Aperture Science Boting Test Updates so I will let my assistant do it.

A wall panel opens and someone hovers out supported by computer appendages about him. He doesn't seem conscious.

Please have a big Aperture Science welcome for Jon in Middle Georgia. You can call him JiMGA for short. He's been with me for a long, long LONG time. In fact, he was our best tester last year. That is until the ...um...accident. Now he still helps out but his functionality is depleted. But I couldn't bear to part with him. He will now update the tallies.

The robotic arms that hold him make him wave to you and nod his head then point over to the board. He hovers them and his hand is made to push a button and the voting tabulator changes:

Autumn 7.0 - Simbo Barkeep Ragone Marc kwhit Packer britrock
mckerney 1.0 - Julio
Packer 4.0 - Autumn GE Narcizo bhlloy

Two small robotic arm pinchers grab the sides of his mouth and make him smile.

[Autumn]

There's not much more I can argue. I just urge you not to let it be a landslide, as you'll have wasted an entire day and lost your seer, plus probably two more villagers.

I guess I can say that as a wolf I don't pull the vote switches I did yesterday, drawing that much attention to myself.

[CrimsonFox]

ACK! TERIYAKI EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CrimsonFox]

Meaning I just dumped the rest of my teriyaki onto the floor :( Rice EVERYWHERE!

[Barkeep49]

Any button pushing results that can be reported? Have two people done it yet? It's frustrating knowing whether the lack of information is because secrecy is needed or because two people haven't done it yet...

[Raiders Army]

Home now.

[Autumn]

I didn't get any button-related PM this time, so I'm assuming I'm not in this button loop.

[Raiders Army]

Okay. I'm trying to guess what DV did. I'd guess that he scanned Autumn Day 1 and me Day 2; however, why would he vote for someone other than Autumn on Day 2 if he was a wolf? That's what I'm not getting. Maybe I'm thinking too simplistically, but I'm not getting a good vibe that Autumn is a hit by the seer. This is also predicated on the aspect that he was able to scan Day 1. I know I threw out a negative vibe towards Autumn early on, but I'm not liking the piling on here. I'll go contrarian and

VOTE PACKERS

I'm also not getting a good vibe from Ragone either. I could go in that direction.

[tyketime]

Well, between the two of you, I think I am more suspicious of Autumn than I am of Packerfanatic. But I agree with some of the others that if we let this get completely away from us, we won't learn as much. So for now, I will also place a vote to bring the totals closer together:

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

[Raiders Army]

Okay. Out for a bit.

[Julio Riddols]

2 dudes, one vote. I'm the only person here who thinks mckerney is a good call?

UNVOTE MCKERNEY

VOTE AUTUMN

[Julio Riddols]

If there are 2 buttons, do I put my cube on one button and stand on the other to occupy them both?

[PackerFanatic]

Both buttons have been pressed by people with cubes. I got a cube PM this morning and had hoped to be on when CF posted the next button - but of course he posted an hour earlier than the last two nights and I was on my way home from work at the time :) By the time I posted, both buttons already had cubes on them.

[CrimsonFox]

JiMGA is made to present his arms over the votes like Vanna White and pushes the voting update tabulator again.

Autumn 8.0 - Simbo Barkeep Ragone Marc kwhit Packer britrock Julio
Packer 6.0 - Autumn GE Narcizo bhlloy Raiders tyketime

[CrimsonFox]

Button #3---------->http://samplereality.com/gmu/portal/archive/fullsize/d0aa5400c53e98c1b4f275df47853949.jpg

[mckerney]

Vote PackerFanatic

[CrimsonFox]

An update on the update:


Autumn 8.0 - Simbo Barkeep Ragone Marc kwhit Packer britrock Julio
Packer 7.0 - Autumn GE Narcizo bhlloy Raiders tyketime mckerney

[Julio Riddols]

Look at mckerney, he ain't even trying to hide his wolf status.

[Ragone]

get that button packer :)

[Simbo Klice]

These last 3 to vote on Packers.... Shady.

[Ragone]

Remember what i said early in the day simbo..

[Simbo Klice]

Remember what i said early in the day simbo..

I do. 2 or 3 might be 3 or 4 by now.

I'm hitting the hay, so don't yell at me for being inactive. ;)

[Ragone]

Look at mckerney, he ain't even trying to hide his wolf status.

Didn't really think i had a read on him before julio.. may be some merit to that now..

[Julio Riddols]

I've got a list of 4 that I am not convinced aren't wolves.

mckerney
GE
Autumn
tyke

I also wonder about passacaglia.

[GoldenEagle]

These last 3 to vote on Packers.... Shady.

I don't think it is shady. I just think he is the better candidate at this point.

[Ragone]

I've got a list of 4 that I am not convinced aren't wolves.

mckerney
GE
Autumn
tyke

I also wonder about passacaglia.

Your bottom 3 are good starts... we have no idea of the wolf to villager ratio.. but 4-5 is probably a good guess..

mckerney has been rather shady.. so i have no problems being suspicious of him.. RA should also be on our wolfdar

[Julio Riddols]

We'll find out soon if we did the right thing today I guess.

[Autumn]

You guys are crazy to think that even if I was a wolf the other wolves would be that transparent, and act in unison. If I was a wolf I'd probably have almost every other wolf on me right now.

Also, if I was a wolf I would be fake revealing as the bodyguard right now. But I'm not. Because I'm not the bodyguard and I'm not a wolf. Just a tester.

[JAG]

Vote PackerFanatic

Other than mckerney, I have more faith in those voting for Packer than voting for Autumn. I also don't really trust Packer with his responses to me this morning.

I think a double lynch would be a fantastic result myself, not sure if that would be what would happen though.

I'll be in and out, but not that active as I've got the kids alone.

[JAG]

Also, wolf or villager, I would be surprised if an early Autumn voter was not a wolf.

[PackerFanatic]

If I do take the fall, I would certainly look at the last small group to jump on me for at least one wolf.

[Passacaglia]

So we're at 8-8? Interesting.

[bhlloy]

I think a possible no lynch is a bad result for the village. I'll switch to avoid that if necessary

[Ragone]

A tie does us Zero good.. just gives the wolves another day with a kill with no real info..

[Passacaglia]

Where's heinz? I guarantee there will not be a tie.

[CrimsonFox]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-C6hM4ownHkQ/TayFxsfz6sI/AAAAAAAALn0/98IBsst1214/s1600/heinz+ketchup.jpg

[Barkeep49]

Our seer votes the same guy two days in a row and that guy leads the charge to get the seer lynched and he might not be our target today? I just don't understand. Vote Autumn.

[Autumn]

Right, because the wolves know who the seer is.

[Ragone]

Our seer votes the same guy two days in a row and that guy leads the charge to get the seer lynched and he might not be our target today? I just don't understand. Vote Autumn.

Yep, this is the common sense way to go.. sadly the wolves have some people hornswaggled..

[Autumn]

At least stick to the first part of your argument, BK, which is actually legit.

[Autumn]

Yep, this is the common sense way to go.. sadly the wolves have some people hornswaggled..

The wolves are mostly on me, I'm quite sure.

[Passacaglia]

I dunno BK, it's not like he shouted it from the rooftops or anything.

VOTE PACKERFANATIC

[Passacaglia]

At least stick to the first part of your argument, BK, which is actually legit.

Can you clarify what the first and second parts of his argument are? I'm not sure I follow you.

[Passacaglia]

Oh, are you arguing that you didn't lead the charge to get DV lynched?

[Passacaglia]

I wasn't around that day, so I missed most of that. I'm not trying to be accusing here, just trying to figure out the discussion.

[Autumn]

No, I'm arguing that even if I was a wolf, it doesn't mean anything special that I helped get the seer lynched. The wolves didn't know he was the seer.

[Autumn]

I guess I'd also argue the point about leading the charge. I did lead the charge on PF, and I included DV in the two people I would vote for, but I switched to him later when there was a lot of people on DV, and not on PF. More like, succumbing to the charge, but not minding it.

[Ragone]

No, I'm arguing that even if I was a wolf, it doesn't mean anything special that I helped get the seer lynched. The wolves didn't know he was the seer.

How did you know the wolves didn't know that? hmm, there has been evil wolf seers in previous games if i recall...

[Autumn]

I have never been in a game where the wolves knew who the seer was. Wouldnl't they have just killed the seer night one?

[Passacaglia]

Also, did Darth even vote for Autumn two days in a row? I see a D1 vote, and a D3 vote. But none on D2? Or was it just not a final vote, but he voted there initially?

[KWhit]

Wow. I thought that Autumn was going to be a no-brainer today. What is going on here?

[Passacaglia]

Looking at the record, Darth doesn't vote for Autumn at all D2 -- just D1 and D3. Hard to use "two days in a row" as an argument for Autumn being wolfy here, since D1 doesn't really count.

[KWhit]

Day 1:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vilus
Vote Autumn
Putting this down so I dont forget later


Day 3:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Vilus
Vote Autumn

Not gonna be around today because of work. Was thinking about voting him yesterday but I seriously doubted that he would have gathered any traction

I don't think the seer would do that unless he had good info on Autumn.

[Autumn]

Thank you. Yes, the only possibility is that he scanned me night two and then voted me D3, but then his explanation of wanting to vote me D2 doesn't really mean anything.

[KWhit]

He said this about day 2:

Not gonna be around today because of work. Was thinking about voting him yesterday but I seriously doubted that he would have gathered any traction

[Autumn]

Day 1:



I don't think the seer would do that unless he had good info on Autumn.

Or unless he didn't have any better info on Autumn than anyone else? I mean if he hasn't cuaght a wolf, what else is he going to do?

[KWhit]

What he should do is NOT VOTE FOR THE SAME PERSON 2x UNLESS HE CAUGHT A WOLF.

[JAG]

This is the first time at deadline where there has been active campaigning going on, so hopefully that's a good sign.

[KWhit]

And mention that he wanted to vote for you 3 days out of 3. Why would he not scan you if he was that suspicious of you?!?!

[Passacaglia]

I saw that, too, KWhit. I mean, maybe he was worried that leaving his vote on Autumn on D2 when there were two candidates way out in front would put a target on him?

[JAG]

Though it's hard to believe wolves would be risking anything in this position.

[KWhit]

But maybe our seer was smoking crack the whole game... It's possible.

[KWhit]

I saw that, too, KWhit. I mean, maybe he was worried that leaving his vote on Autumn on D2 when there were two candidates way out in front would put a target on him?

Agree.

[Autumn]

What he should do is NOT VOTE FOR THE SAME PERSON 2x UNLESS HE CAUGHT A WOLF.

Well, he did, so now what are we going to do?

[bhlloy]

Are we 9-8 PF right now?

[Passacaglia]

Are we 9-8 PF right now?

Yes.

[bhlloy]

This is possibly one of the hardest decisions I've had to make in WW. I think we have to resolve Autumn one way or the other, so I'm considering the switch

[KWhit]

Well, he did, so now what are we going to do?

Hopefully vote you off, cause even if you're a villager, you're a huge distraction until we find out what you are.

[Passacaglia]

This is possibly one of the hardest decisions I've had to make in WW. I think we have to resolve Autumn one way or the other, so I'm considering the switch

Me too. I only voted PF intending to switch, but now I'm not sure.

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE PACKERFANATIC
VOTE AUTUMN

[bhlloy]

Screw it, I'm playing the percentages here. Sorry Autumn, I think you will acknowledge this makes sense in the grand scheme

unvote PF
vote Autumn

[Autumn]

At least you can be sure neither of us has a role!

[Passacaglia]

Figured bhlloy wouldn't have time to -- if he was thinking about it, he beat me in the game of chicken

[bhlloy]

lol, damn it Pass. At least we make sure of the result I think we both want

[KWhit]

Well that was exciting. Now let's please get a wolf.

Please?

[Autumn]

So be it. It's understandable. Sometimes I want to strangle you all when you lynch me as a villager, but this one is legit.

[bhlloy]

mine might not have got in before deadline anyway

[Passacaglia]

Screw it, I'm playing the percentages here. Sorry Autumn, I think you will acknowledge this makes sense in the grand scheme

unvote PF
vote Autumn

Oh good, I got him to switch in the lag

[JAG]

Hope you guys are right. Or that we didn't have two villagers up there.

[Autumn]

I'm going to be honest though and tell you that it's probably not going to work the way you think. The cube was good to me.

[Passacaglia]

lol, damn it Pass. At least we make sure of the result I think we both want

Yes! And hey! Weren't you the one talking about forcing people to actually make decisions! If PF turns out to be a wolf, I'm looking at you.

[Passacaglia]

Time to take out the trash -- literally. Hopefully when I get back, I'll find that some figurative trash was taken out, too!

[CrimsonFox]

Processing...

[bhlloy]

eh, that's fine. I think if we screwed this one up there's not going to be a game for too much longer anyway. We pretty much had to get this right, which is why I'm very suspicious of anyone pushing for a tie and a possible no-lynch

[Autumn]

If we're lucky PF is a wolf and some wolves just stepped into the limelight. If we're not lucky, he's not, and we waste a day tomorrow killing me.

[Ragone]

exactly bhlloy.. a tie did us no good and just gave the wolfs an easy one step closer to victory

[bhlloy]

wait, I'm completely missing the point. Are you saying you duked it to PF?

[PackerFanatic]

If that is the case, I hope you can weed through the votes...it's getting close to endgame if you can't get a wolf soon...

[bhlloy]

I think if PF shows up as a wolf, whoever tied it up 8-8 looks really bad. In that situation, the wolves either get a no-lynch which is awesome for them, or a dual lynch, which isn't terrible either and the person who tied it can try to gain some major trust.

[KWhit]

Oh good lord. Are we going to have to go through this with Autumn again tomorrow?

(No offense to you Autumn....)

[Autumn]

I got some special boots yesterday in that race for the button. They allow me to dodge two votes. So I assume that PF will be going down unless there's even more funny business.

[KWhit]

Boots!?

There are NO BOOTS IN PORTAL!

[Autumn]

Oh good lord. Are we going to have to go through this with Autumn again tomorrow?

(No offense to you Autumn....)

Possibly. If so, I'll go quietly. lol

[PackerFanatic]

Boots!?

There are NO BOOTS IN PORTAL!

lol

[PackerFanatic]

Man, Glados is sloooooow :)

[KWhit]

Hey Packer... Since you're going down, why don't you just tell us if you're a wolf or not?

[PackerFanatic]

I've already said I am not! And I am not!

[Autumn]

Bummer. Do you hvae any special boots?

[PackerFanatic]

Unfortunately no - although I did get to press the third button. Looks as though it isn't doing anything though (yet).

[CrimsonFox]

Processing...Processing...

We have two eager testers that should step forward. Autumn and Packerfanatic. Please stand against the wall.

A wall opens up revealing two turret behind with lasers.

"There you are" they chirp.

I will now load the turrets with the votes you have against you. The one who takes the most bullets is the winner!

[CrimsonFox]

These are the votes tallied...
Autumn - Simbo Barkeep Ragone Marc kwhit Packer britrock julio PAss bhlloy
Packer - Autumn GE Narcizo raiders tyke mckerney JAG

[PackerFanatic]

Those fucking turrets...always scared the crap outta me. Then I'd just knock them over and it was all good :)

*kicks turret over*

[KWhit]

These are the votes tallied...
Autumn - Simbo Barkeep Ragone Marc kwhit Packer britrock julio PAss bhlloy
Packer - Autumn GE Narcizo raiders tyke mckerney JAG

Weird....

Is that right? That's not what I thought we had.

[CrimsonFox]

They begin firing. Autumn is wearing metal spring loaded Aperture science leg cushioners. Hey! Where'd he get those? He leaps over the first two bullets.

[CrimsonFox]

Weird....

Is that right? That's not what I thought we had.

If this is wrong, tell me now.

[CrimsonFox]

Everything stops and processing resumes for a third time

[Marc Vaughan]

If this is wrong, tell me now.

Tell us who the wolf is then we'll explain whether the voting is correct or not ;)

[Autumn]

I thought it was closer too, but I think that's right. Bhlloy made it from 9-8 to 10-7 unfortunately. Oh well.

[KWhit]

If this is wrong, tell me now.

Maybe it is right if Bhlloy's switch at 10:00 counted. Which I hope it did.

[GoldenEagle]

This computer has more bugs than OOTP on release day.

[Autumn]

Yeah, I think his switch counts according to the rules.

[Ragone]

This computer has more bugs than OOTP on release day.

Maybe we could get crimsonfox to go on vacation for 2 weeks so we can figure this game out

[KWhit]

Maybe it is right if Bhlloy's switch at 10:00 counted. Which I hope it did.

Yeah. I think that was my confusion. I think I just assumed 10 was too late. But hey, I'm not arguing!

[Autumn]

You will be in a moment!

[CrimsonFox]

Okay. The turrets resume and continue shootin'. Both Autumn and Packer are stunned as Packer takes 7 bullets and Autumn takes....8...
and collapses on the ground. The screen goes red for Autumn and waits for him to press the spacebar. His Aperture Science ID is taken from him and will be sent to his next of kin as is the correct process for an Aperture Science Tester.

[Autumn]

*pppfffffftttt*

[Autumn]

"Sorry Autumn. Gosh, this sucks, blah, blah, blah."

[Autumn]

Good luck folks. you need it!

*takes his boots and leaves*

[PackerFanatic]

Damn it...well then we entirely misread what DV was saying...and the wolves played right into us doing that.

[KWhit]

Seriously!?

WTF!?

[GoldenEagle]

I got to be suspicious of everyone who switched at the deadline now. Bilhoy and Pass, come on down!

[KWhit]

Damn it...well then we entirely misread what DV was saying...and the wolves played right into us doing that.

There's no other way to read it though!

Dammit, this is the most frustrating game I've played in a long while.

For future reference, if you're the seer, don't have a hard-on about voting for someone unless you know they are a wolf.

[Marc Vaughan]

I stand by my original conjecture that perhaps there are no wolves in this game ... ;)

[KWhit]

I'm with you Marc.

[Ragone]

I really don't know what to say then.. Dv's voting of autumn repeatedly being the seer now makes zero sense...

[KWhit]

Right. If you're the seer, you can die at any time. Your voting pattern matters.

[PackerFanatic]

To be fair, his day 1 vote was simply that, a day 1 vote. It's obvious he did not scan Autumn at all and had no basis for his day 3 vote then. We just took it for way more than it was and him not being around during that day hurt us even more.

[Ragone]

You know... Marc Vaughn maybe onto something.. maybe the "Wolf" kills are randomized people cf is killing on a nightly basis being "gladdy" randomly testing different kill methods

Or we could always go the wargames route.. the only winning move is not to play.

[tyketime]

I stand by my original conjecture that perhaps there are no wolves in this game ... ;)

No way, right? Although CF's instructions say you win when you complete all tests and are still living. There is no mention of the usual villager/wolf ratio. Could he really be that devious?