Vanilla Flavored Werewolf-Villagers Win

[Danny]

But Id really like to hear from Zinto if all roles are actually in the game because the whole theory is based on that.

[DaddyTorgo]

DT has never really been in a position in which he was forced to have to fake reveal or where one would have been bought. Mau was an early candidate today and I could see him throwing up a fake reveal.

So out of the three, I think DT is the most likely to not be a vanilla villager which would mean he is a bad guy.

By that logic Autumn hasn't been in that position either. And I've been on the block and drawing a ton of heat - I presume the seer has scanned me by now...

[Zinto]

But Id really like to hear from Zinto if all roles are actually in the game because the whole theory is based on that.

All roles are in the game.

[mauchow]

If others want danny up instead of us two I'm game.

Even though he's not against me.

[mauchow]

unvote path
Vote dt

[mauchow]

I am close to being outta here. At least me pulling off ensures no tie.

[Danny]

unvote path
vote DT

[Danny]

Not going Path today because personally I know for sure one of Autumn, DT and Mau is bad.

[Danny]

Should say at least one.

[mauchow]

Everyone is going to say they're vanilla arent they ?

[DaddyTorgo]

Don't like you coming after me constantly Danny. Haven't I been battle-tested enough in this game over the last 2 days? And yet you guys keep coming back to me instead of other candidates??

[Danny]

But I do understand that others probably wont believe that I am vanilla and so arent working with the same information I have.

[DaddyTorgo]

So it's 3-3-2 now?

[Danny]

Everyone is going to say they're vanilla arent they ?

But I feel confident that you, Autumn or DT would have revealed if you had a villager role. So I think one of you is lying and on the bad side (at least one).

[DaddyTorgo]

I am close to being outta here. At least me pulling off ensures no tie.

This is such weak reasoning - there's obviously others here to ensure no tie.

This after last night really raises flags with me.

[mauchow]

4-2-2

[mauchow]

This is such weak reasoning - there's obviously others here to ensure no tie.

This after last night really raises flags with me.

Eff that. Two nights in a row with ties and no idea what happens next. I'll let voting history enter the game finally before letting the wolves luck out again.

[Autumn]

But I feel confident that you, Autumn or DT would have revealed if you had a villager role. So I think one of you is lying and on the bad side (at least one).

Wouldn't the same go for a wolf reveal though? I'm more likely to have fake revealed as a wolf, I think.

[DaddyTorgo]

But I feel confident that you, Autumn or DT would have revealed if you had a villager role. So I think one of you is lying and on the bad side (at least one).

And you don't think Mau's moves have been more suspicious than mine? Particularly given that I've been on the block and involved in 2 ties already this game? Wouldn't my wolf-buddy or the cultist have moved to save me ONE of those times???

Instead you have EF's behavior last night that actually PUT ME on the block and almost lynched me. That's like the absolute opposite of what would have happened if I was a wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

Eff that. Two nights in a row with ties and no idea what happens next. I'll let voting history enter the game finally before letting the wolves luck out again.

There's multiple people in-thread and one still to vote though. No reason to go for a third candidate.

[Danny]

I really think the Seer should consider revealing tonight at kill deadline after wolves have a chance to change, but before they potentially end up dead. We can not afford no seer info before death

[britrock88]

This is such weak reasoning - there's obviously others here to ensure no tie.

This after last night really raises flags with me.

Well, that's why our votes are on him, right? ;)

Interested to see how this goes, though I'll be leaving shortly to watch UNC/Duke at the sports baaaaaaar.

[Danny]

Wouldn't the same go for a wolf reveal though? I'm more likely to have fake revealed as a wolf, I think.

Which is why I said you are least likely to be bad of the three. DT is saying he would have revealed, but looking at the votes, he was never actually in the lead it looks like.

[DaddyTorgo]

Wouldn't the same go for a wolf reveal though? I'm more likely to have fake revealed as a wolf, I think.

Yeah - if I was a roled villager I think I might have elected to sit tight rather than reveal this early in a game when my reveal might not bring useful info.

[Danny]

And once he played up the vanilla villager role, he was committed to that.

[mauchow]

This is tense for me knowing I won't be here at deadline. Lol

[DaddyTorgo]

Did I say I would reveal? I said it seemed to me that a roled villager might have revealed... I have nothing to reveal, and I've also been on the block twice in 2 nights so I presume the seer has looked at me and would let you all know if I was a wolf.

[mauchow]

There's multiple people in-thread and one still to vote though. No reason to go for a third candidate.

We saw how that worked out letting people break ties.

[mauchow]

I am a villager.

/8:01 post.

[Autumn]

Which is why I said you are least likely to be bad of the three. DT is saying he would have revealed, but looking at the votes, he was never actually in the lead it looks like.

Ah, I see. I don't know. i don't think DT looks good necessarily, but I just don't want to waste a vote on someone the seer most likely scanned.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think mau's a wolf and this is his play to try to get these votes off of him and onto someone else who has attracted attention this game (me) in order to survive.

I know it seems douchey to state this right before he's about to go hold his new baby, and I feel bad, but it makes sense in a "wolf flailing about to save his own skin" way - along with his attempt last night to actually get the wolves a lynch of a villager.

[mauchow]

Mhhmm.

[mauchow]

Even if you are a vanilla villager I would still have made that switch last night to ensure no tie. A va nilla villager lynch is better than a random vanilla villager lynch.

[Autumn]

I do remember thinking Mau looked wolfy last night, but I no longer remember what made me think that. old age isn't helping my WW skills.

[Danny]

Ah, I see. I don't know. i don't think DT looks good necessarily, but I just don't want to waste a vote on someone the seer most likely scanned.

I can see that, but we are assuming an awful lot regarding the seer. Could come back to bite us if seer went off the grid with his scans.

[mauchow]

I do remember thinking Mau looked wolfy last night, but I no longer remember what made me think that. old age isn't helping my WW skills.

Probably my "I really hope I'm alive in the morning" post.

[DaddyTorgo]

I can see that, but we are assuming an awful lot regarding the seer. Could come back to bite us if seer went off the grid with his scans.

We've spent 2 days going after me...how about we look elsewhere. The wolves are probably laughing hysterically about all the effort we're expending going down this path.

[mauchow]

It was a sarcastic way of making me sound important to nk me instead of a rolled villager.

[Danny]

We've spent 2 days going after me...how about we look elsewhere. The wolves are probably laughing hysterically about all the effort we're expending going down this path.

FWIW, if there is no movement onto you in the next few minutes, I will be switching to Mau. Ithink one of the two of you is bad.

[Zinto]

Official Vote Count:
4 Mau-EF(422), DT(464), Path(469), Brit(475)
2 Path-Autumn(426), CR(441)
2 DT-Mau(505), Danny(507)

[mauchow]

I think danny might be bad.

When he starts trying to orchestrate things towards the end of the day I usually get bad feelings about him.

[DaddyTorgo]

I want to go make myself some fruit + whipped cream for dessert, but given the craziness that goes on around deadline these days I'm going to wait until after deadline.

[mauchow]

unvote dt
Vote path
I guess let brit decide.

[Danny]

unvote dt
vote mauboy

[DaddyTorgo]

Saldana is going to miss the vote??

[mauchow]

That'll be better for vote history. Have fun w that.

They're going slow with leah so I'm frantically typing and refreshing as much as possible.

[DaddyTorgo]

danny - it's mauchow, not mauboy

[mauchow]

Oh I thought brit was the last not to vote. Typical.

[Danny]

unvote mauboy
vote mauchow

[Danny]

Autumn, if you are good, you should switch your vote, the last thing we need is deadline shenanigans tying it up.

[mauchow]

Okay good night shes coming my way

[Danny]

FWIW, I have never seen DT this active as a vanilla villager.

[DaddyTorgo]

Have fun mau!! So glad she's doing well man.

[Autumn]

My plan exactly.

<b>unvote path12
vote mauchow</b>

[DaddyTorgo]

FWIW, I have never seen DT this active as a vanilla villager.

I'm trying to mix up my playing style more in my comeback. I was pretty active in my first vanilla-villager game back (I had one, didn't I? Feel like I did...)

[Danny]

If Mau turns up bad, I am more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. If Mau turns up vanilla, I will be looking torward you.

[DaddyTorgo]

If Mau turns up bad, I am more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. If Mau turns up vanilla, I will be looking torward you.

No different than any other day this game so far. :lol:

If Mau turns up vanilla I'm going to have a long hard look at Autumn, as well as some of the UTR types in this game (Chief, britrock, saldana).

[DaddyTorgo]

deadline - time for me to make my fruit dessert

[Zinto]

Deadline

[Zinto]

Official Vote Count:
5 Mau-EF(422), DT(464), Path(469), Brit(475), Danny(543), Autumn(554)
2 Path-CR(441), Mau (544)

[Zinto]

Finally, there has been a consensus reached by the group. If anyone is working against this expedition it must be Mauchow! He has been seen sneaking around and has ate more then his fair share of the rations.

Mauchow gives up after the five of you surround him and with a quick motion his body goes lifeless. You search him and his remains and you find.........nothing.

Mauchow was a vanilla villager.

Night Three Deadline is 2 AM EST.

[DaddyTorgo]

Damnit

[Danny]

If we are lucky, the wolves will nk the cultist. We need some luck...

[Danny]

FWIW, I tihnk DT is a wolf who has lucked into the seer not scanning him and used that to play up his goodness.

[Danny]

At least my gut was right about Mauchow though.

[DaddyTorgo]

FWIW, I tihnk DT is a wolf who has lucked into the seer not scanning him and used that to play up his goodness.

What are the odds of that? I've been on the block 2-3 days now...there's no way the seer hasn't scanned me unless they're brain-dead.

You're trying awfully hard to get me lynched Danny.

[DaddyTorgo]

At least my gut was right about Mauchow though.

You voted for him. If you felt your gut was right about him, why not make a case for somebody else, say path, and vote for him?

You really seem like you're trying to have it both ways.

[Danny]

I made a case for you, but that ddnt go anywhere. I was not going to risk a tie, I only voted mau as the last resort

[Autumn]

I'm waiting for the seer results on DT, one day one way or anohter. In the meantime I'm looking probably at Path next, and if he turns out bad, DAnny after that.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm waiting for the seer results on DT, one day one way or anohter. In the meantime I'm looking probably at Path next, and if he turns out bad, DAnny after that.

I'm starting to think Danny's possibly the cultist?

[path12]

FWIW, I tihnk DT is a wolf who has lucked into the seer not scanning him and used that to play up his goodness.

I'm leaning that way right now as well.

[path12]

That said, that is two votes that saldana has not made unless I missed something. He is my next vote.

[EagleFan]

So much for my gut.

[DaddyTorgo]

So much for my gut.

I think there was more than gut to it. I was believing too, based on the evidence.

[saldana]

That said, that is two votes that saldana has not made unless I missed something. He is my next vote.

yeah, i suck, i am sorry...just spent over 2 hours driving home 40 miles in a snow storm

i dont think in my entire WW career i have ever missed a vote, and now i have missed 2 out of 3...i would vote for me too

[mauchow]

Booo!

Go villagers

[britrock88]

Day 1

time post voter votee #
04:21 39 JAG saldana 1
09:16 43 brit Autumn 1
09:46 48 Autumn DT 1
10:29 50 path12 mauchow 1
11:23 51 EF JAG 1
11:59 53 CR saldana 2
14:52 60 mauchow Autumn 2
17:04 64 font saldana 3
17:18 66 DT Autumn 3
17:21 67 JAG x sal 2
DT 2
17:45 73 Danny font 1
17:48 77 RA Autumn 4
18:49 106 Danny x font 0
DT 3
18:53 110 font x sal 1
DT 4


Day 2

time post voter votee #
08:29 184 mauchow Autumn 1
09:15 188 path12 Autumn 2
10:35 193 EF mauchow 1
11:51 197 Danny DT 1
14:24 214 Autumn DT 2
14:26 215 Danny xDT 1
Autumn 3
14:31 217 DT Autumn 4
14:25 220 Danny xAutumn 3
font 1
16:29 231 CR font 2
16:35 232 font DT 2
16:51 233 font xDT 1
17:01 234 RA CR 1
17:06 236 font saldana 1
17:18 238 DT xAutumn 2
17:47 243 mauchow xAutumn 1
18:02 245 path12 xAutumn 0
font 3
19:02 265 Danny xfont 2
brit 1
19:20 280 saldana DT 2
19:20 281 Danny xbrit 0
saldana 2
19:30 290 font xsal 1
mauchow 2
19:32 291 Danny xsal 0
DT 3
19:34 294 DT mauchow 3
19:44 307 EF xmau 2
path 1
19:45 311 EF xpath 0
brit 1
19:50 315 DT xmau 1
brit 2
19:50 316 Danny xDT 2
brit 3
19:52 317 font xmau 0
brit 4
20:00 333 EF xbrit 3
DT 3


Day 3

time post voter votee #
08:25 422 EF mau 1
09:43 426 Autumn path 1
10:57 432 path EF 1
11:50 436 Danny CR 1
12:37 441 CR path 2
13:35 444 mau Danny 1
17:24 464 DT mau 2
17:42 469 path x EF 0
mau 3
18:19 470 mau x Danny 0
path 3
18:58 475 brit mau 4
19:05 476 Danny x CR 0
19:06 477 Danny path 4
19:31 505 mau x path 3
DT 1
19:32 507 Danny x path 2
DT 2
19:52 543 mau x DT 1
path 3
19:52 544 Danny x DT 0
mau 5
19:57 554 Autumn x path 2
mau 6

[britrock88]

Forgot to color RA in green, sorry.

[Zinto]

You wake up to find the most disturbing thing yet, that the toughest person in the group has been killed. He had been a great hunter before he joined your expedition and was hired to make sure that the journey would end with the recipe for ice cream that was desired. Path as a great man and someone that the journey will greatly miss.

Path was the hunter.

Day Four Begins

[DaddyTorgo]

Aargh...Damn wolves got one of our roles. better the Hunter than one of the other two though I guess.

22 hour day...g'nite

[Danny]

We are 5-2 I think seer needs to reveal now as bg is alive also guaranteeing one more scan.

[Danny]

And dt is a wolf

[Danny]

I would bet money on it

[Danny]

Wolves are dt and chief rum

[Danny]

I am not the seer btw, but I am feeling pretty good about those two being the wolves

[Danny]

I'm pretty sure I know who seer is also but I will wait to see who reveals first

[Danny]

vote dt

[path12]

Enjoyed the game guys. Go village!

[EagleFan]

I believe it would be official to say that Danny is the cultist at this point.

[DaddyTorgo]

I believe it would be official to say that Danny is the cultist at this point.

Yep - agreed. Now we can just tune him out going forward.

Anyone feel like doing a deep-dive on his posts to see if he signaled/avoided the wolves at all?

[Autumn]

I'll be out most of the day, with my wife for Valentine's.

I agree that the seer should reveal. With three scans and a guaranteed other, we should be able to knock these wolves out.

More likely EF is the cultist, in my opinion, but no reason to guess!

[DaddyTorgo]

I'll be out most of the day, with my wife for Valentine's.

I agree that the seer should reveal. With three scans and a guaranteed other, we should be able to knock these wolves out.

More likely EF is the cultist, in my opinion, but no reason to guess!

You've been pretty closely linked with Danny in this game - revealing yourself as a wolf with this post maybe?

[Danny]

Looks like the bad guys getting a little rattled

[Danny]

Take that back, very rattled

[DaddyTorgo]

My general thoughts

saldana & cr have been the epitome of "UTR" this game so far...my gut says that one of them is a wolf.

britrock has been pretty quiet aside from posting those helpful voting tables.

and autumn...well he's had (in my memory, not looking back to verify) some votes that were pretty "linked" in one way or another with danny it feels like.

danny is quite likely the cultist (believe this more than EF being the cultist at the moment, see below though)

EF i get less of a cultist vibe from than danny (although to be fair, before last night I got more of a cultist vibe from EF, so that's pretty fluid in my mind. i can see myself doing a similar sort of late-moving to try to shake things up and gain intel as a villager, in fact I have before)

[DaddyTorgo]

Looks like the bad guys getting a little rattled

LMAO - you're still on this me as a wolf thing?

Nobody's listening to you anymore.

[britrock88]

A fun set of overnight posts! I'll update those tables.

[britrock88]

Day 1

time post voter votee #
04:21 39 JAG saldana 1
09:16 43 brit Autumn 1
09:46 48 Autumn DT 1
10:29 50 path mau 1
11:23 51 EF JAG 1
11:59 53 CR saldana 2
14:52 60 mau Autumn 2
17:04 64 font saldana 3
17:18 66 DT Autumn 3
17:21 67 JAG x sal 2
DT 2
17:45 73 Danny font 1
17:48 77 RA Autumn 4
18:49 106 Danny x font 0
DT 3
18:53 110 font x sal 1
DT 4


Day 2

time post voter votee #
08:29 184 mau Autumn 1
09:15 188 path Autumn 2
10:35 193 EF mau 1
11:51 197 Danny DT 1
14:24 214 Autumn DT 2
14:26 215 Danny xDT 1
Autumn 3
14:31 217 DT Autumn 4
14:25 220 Danny xAutumn 3
font 1
16:29 231 CR font 2
16:35 232 font DT 2
16:51 233 font xDT 1
17:01 234 RA CR 1
17:06 236 font saldana 1
17:18 238 DT xAutumn 2
17:47 243 mau xAutumn 1
18:02 245 path xAutumn 0
font 3
19:02 265 Danny xfont 2
brit 1
19:20 280 saldana DT 2
19:20 281 Danny xbrit 0
saldana 2
19:30 290 font xsal 1
mau 2
19:32 291 Danny xsal 0
DT 3
19:34 294 DT mau 3
19:44 307 EF xmau 2
path 1
19:45 311 EF xpath 0
brit 1
19:50 315 DT xmau 1
brit 2
19:50 316 Danny xDT 2
brit 3
19:52 317 font xmau 0
brit 4
20:00 333 EF xbrit 3
DT 3


Day 3

time post voter votee #
08:25 422 EF mau 1
09:43 426 Autumn path 1
10:57 432 path EF 1
11:50 436 Danny CR 1
12:37 441 CR path 2
13:35 444 mau Danny 1
17:24 464 DT mau 2
17:42 469 path x EF 0
mau 3
18:19 470 mau x Danny 0
path 3
18:58 475 brit mau 4
19:05 476 Danny x CR 0
19:06 477 Danny path 4
19:31 505 mau x path 3
DT 1
19:32 507 Danny x path 2
DT 2
19:52 543 mau x DT 1
path 3
19:52 544 Danny x DT 0
mau 5
19:57 554 Autumn x path 2
mau 6


I switched to lime because my eyes hate me.

[DaddyTorgo]

lime is good - it jumps out at you nicely.

be nice to get some red on that chart though...

[DaddyTorgo]

Just looking at that list (and yes, maybe reading too much into things)

look at this by Danny from D2

19:02 265 Danny xfont 2
brit 1
19:20 280 saldana DT 2
19:20 281 Danny xbrit 0
saldana 2
19:30 290 font xsal 1
mau 2
19:32 291 Danny xsal 0
DT 3

in the span of 30 minutes he votes/unvotes brit & saldana and ends up on me. Could this be a signal to brit & saldana (both of whom are on my list of "more UTR" type players) that he's the cultist?

He left a vote on CR for a long long time yesterday (like 8 hours) so that makes me feel better about CR slightly. Also, CR votes saldana to put him the first up to 2 votes on D1, which makes me feel better about saldana.

brit has voted autumn and mau, so that's inconclusive and doens't really establish any links at the moment.

saldana has missed a couple votes, so analysis of his votes is useless.

[DaddyTorgo]

Oops -typo in my last post. CR's vote to put saldana the first up to 2 votes on D1 makes me feel a lilttle better about CR in combination with Danny's long vote on him, but even more than that it makes me doubt that CR & saldana are linked together.

[EagleFan]

DT would have been scanned by now. I see no reason that he would not have been scanned. A quiet seer means he hasn't found a wolf yet which means DT is clean. Seems like pretty straight forward logic yet Danny seems to want to push for DT. That sounds like a push for end game if you ask me.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm thinking of voting autumn today.

as mentioned, i think we have one wolf in the CR/britrock/saldana trio, who the seer is hopefully working through.

i think autumn is the other wolf, with danny/ef being the grouping where the cultist is (as mentioned, right now i think it's danny, but yesterday i would have said it was EF).

putting my money where my mouth is

VOTE AUTUMN

[Danny]

The only two people who are possible seers havent shown up yet. Obviously based on my posts, its pretty obvious who I think the seer is. I just see the fear coming from DT for when the seer gets on here and reveals.

[DaddyTorgo]

The only two people who are possible seers havent shown up yet. Obviously based on my posts, its pretty obvious who I think the seer is. I just see the fear coming from DT for when the seer gets on here and reveals.

Awfully nice of you as the cultist to force the seer out into the open like this.

[Danny]

Yeah because both wolves are obviously not finding the seer on their own. Anyone who doesnt think its time for the seer to reveal is a wolf or not a good player.

[Danny]

That might be harsh, let me change to saying not making a good play as opposed to bad player. Its clearly and obvious time for the seer to come out.

[EagleFan]

Basically, danny is signalling to the wolves to have one fake reveal as the seer to lure out the real seer and cause enough confusion that the bodyguard protects the wrong person. Not a bad play by him at all to be honest, just transparent.

[DaddyTorgo]

Basically, danny is signalling to the wolves to have one fake reveal as the seer to lure out the real seer and cause enough confusion that the bodyguard protects the wrong person. Not a bad play by him at all to be honest, just transparent.

That's my read too - I guess we'll see what happens.

[Danny]

Basically, danny is signalling to the wolves to have one fake reveal as the seer to lure out the real seer and cause enough confusion that the bodyguard protects the wrong person. Not a bad play by him at all to be honest, just transparent.

lol

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm going to get my monthly massage now. Be back in an hour. Nobody do anything crazy while I'm gone.

[EagleFan]

vote sal

[saldana]

EF, that is not a solid vote, but i can understand why it is up there..i have been totally terrible this game.

i am gonna put my vote on Danny...he is just a bit too bombastic for me right now

vote danny

[Chief Rum]

It seems the wolves did us a bit of a favor by taking out path, because I would probably have continued to look at him with his non-vote change on Day One if he were still around.

Since path actually was a villager (and a roled villager), it's a little harder to understand why he didn't vote there (and I know he regretted that). But the original supposition for path's wolfishness was based on Autumn and DT being villager/villager. I believe a roled villager in either of their case's would have revealed in that situation, but neither did. That suggests to me they are either vanilla villagers or the cultist or wolves.

I know we're running out vanilla villagers, so I doubt they are both vanilla. That means one of them is probably a wolf.

If I have to choose between DT and Autumn, I would note DT was more likely to be scanned, as he was up in votes twice, and it's odd to me that a villager Autumn would still be alive in this game at this point.

VOTE AUTUMN

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't like saldana's Danny vote - if we all are at the assumption that Danny is the cultist then there's no reason to vote him off as he counts in our totals, as annoying as he is.

EF's sal vote is interesting - be curious to hear why saldana, as at the moment that's totally a drive-by vote with no explanation.

CR's vote on autumn mirrors mine, which is either encouraging about his goodness, or him bandwagoning with me to hide his wolfishness. His analysis leads me to feel he's more villager than wolf, but that may just be crafty play. I would note that I thank him for finally at least being one person who believes that I'm a vanilla villager - that's freaking nice to see finally.

[Autumn]

<b>VOTE DADDYTORGO</b>

[Autumn]

Easy-peasy. Basically I think Danny's right-on. If he's the cultist, well he's doing a good job at it.

[Autumn]

DT is acting rattled, as he has most fo the game, on the frontline. I think a villager DT takes it more in stride. EF is playing just like he does as a cultist, and I think we've seen him several times in that role just lately. If Danny is a wolf or cultist, well congrats to him for encouraging the seer to come out when that's the very best move for the village, and one the wolves would be hoping didn't happen.

[Zinto]

Official Vote Count
2 DT-Danny(587), Autumn(616)
2 Autumn-DT(603), CR(614)
1 Sal-EF(612)
1 Danny-Sal(613)

[Danny]

I'd like to hear after the game from the seer on why he is sleeping on the job.

[Danny]

And just to explain it further. RIght both the seer and bodyguard are live. If the seer comes out, he is guaranteed to be guarded and get in one more scan, along with revealing all of the info he currently has.

If he does not reveal, there is a very real chance he is nked as both the BG and wolves play a guessing game. If that happens, he gets no more scans and we get no seer info, which probably loses us the game.

[Autumn]

More dead players than live in here right now.

[Danny]

It seems the wolves did us a bit of a favor by taking out path, because I would probably have continued to look at him with his non-vote change on Day One if he were still around.

Since path actually was a villager (and a roled villager), it's a little harder to understand why he didn't vote there (and I know he regretted that). But the original supposition for path's wolfishness was based on Autumn and DT being villager/villager. I believe a roled villager in either of their case's would have revealed in that situation, but neither did. That suggests to me they are either vanilla villagers or the cultist or wolves.

I know we're running out vanilla villagers, so I doubt they are both vanilla. That means one of them is probably a wolf.

If I have to choose between DT and Autumn, I would note DT was more likely to be scanned, as he was up in votes twice, and it's odd to me that a villager Autumn would still be alive in this game at this point.

VOTE AUTUMN

And this convinces me that much further than Chief is DT's wolf partner. Chief is way too strong a player to pick Autumn over DT based on their play. A villager CR knows the right move is for the seer to come out. Additionally, I think there is a no way a wolf team kills of RA and Path while seer hunting over CR, who seemed a possible seer at one point.

[Danny]

And he used that he is surprised a villager AUtumn still being alive is a reason for voting. That is weak weak argument. No way the wolves kill a leading vote getter after night 1 and its pretty clear they have been seer hunting since then and Autumn was clearly not the seer.

[DaddyTorgo]

Danny and Autumn linked on me again - a coincidence? I think not.

Think we have ourselves a wolf in autumn gents. Just too bad we didn't execute on D1.

[DaddyTorgo]

And Danny trying to push CR as my wolf partner...LOL

I'm even more convinced my vote is right on Autumn now. It's not moving at this point.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Danny]

ALso, have you guys not played with DT as a vanilla villager before? THis is a 180 on his normal behavior from being a vanilla villager and right in line with his typical wolf self.

[Autumn]

Yes, there's literally no downside to revealing right now. It's 4-1-2 at the moment. Even if the seer has only scanned dead players, at least we know who the seer is, and won't vote them, and the martyr can protect them and get one good scan.

[DaddyTorgo]

Danny's got to be the cultist at this point. Note how he points out my supposed wolf-partnership with CR based upon our shared voting history, but completely leaves out his linkage with Autumn throughout the game?

[DaddyTorgo]

ALso, have you guys not played with DT as a vanilla villager before? THis is a 180 on his normal behavior from being a vanilla villager and right in line with his typical wolf self.

I'm mixing up my play since I've come back - trying to be more unpredictable. I can see that it's working :p

[Autumn]

Yeah I normally vote DT on Day 3 or 4 just to get him to pipe up.

[Autumn]

Danny's got to be the cultist at this point. Note how he points out my supposed wolf-partnership with CR based upon our shared voting history, but completely leaves out his linkage with Autumn throughout the game?

How are we linked?

[Autumn]

By which I mean, illustrate or remind me. Maybe we are, but I don't know what you're referring to.

[DaddyTorgo]

By which I mean, illustrate or remind me. Maybe we are, but I don't know what you're referring to.

Votes on me throughout the game frankly is what stands out to me (obviously). And both now screaming for the seer to reveal...

[Autumn]

So our link is that we've both voted for the guy who's received the most votes in the game? And that we both agree that the best possible seer play is the best possible seer play? Got it.

[Autumn]

What would be the alternative for the seer? Hpe they last the night, somehow, without the martyr knowing who to target, then reveal tomorrow, hoping that the Martyr also survives the night and the lynch? For the purpose of getting one more scan in?

If the two revealed right now we would have to vote from 5 people which includes 2 wolves and the cultist.

[DaddyTorgo]

So our link is that we've both voted for the guy who's received the most votes in the game? And that we both agree that the best possible seer play is the best possible seer play? Got it.

You've both driven the votes at me all game, to the exclusion of logic.

[Autumn]

Vote DT! Vote DT!

[Autumn]

Well, since yet again your alternative is me, it's all too easy to do.

[DaddyTorgo]

Well, since yet again your alternative is me, it's all too easy to do.

I've looked several other places than you throughout the game. You, in contrast, have been focused on me.

[Autumn]

I've looked elsewhere as well. In fact yesterday I championed not voting you at all. But it's not like I'm going to be sorry to have voted you in the end.

Regardless, even if I was chasing you like a hellhound, that would in fact make me less likely to be a wolf. Why would a wolf keep chasing the same villager over and over? They wouldn't, at all.

[DaddyTorgo]

I've looked elsewhere as well. In fact yesterday I championed not voting you at all. But it's not like I'm going to be sorry to have voted you in the end.

Regardless, even if I was chasing you like a hellhound, that would in fact make me less likely to be a wolf. Why would a wolf keep chasing the same villager over and over? They wouldn't, at all.

Well then who do you suggest, aside from me?

[Autumn]

Most likely Chief. I think Danny's got it nailed, since Chief appeared out of nowhere to join your side once Danny pegged you guys. But I don't see any reason to let you slide out of a lynch once more.

[Autumn]

Chief's argument was weak. I am not a villager that the wolves worry about. I don't know the last time I was night killed at all. I pretty much get lynched or hang around to the end.

[Danny]

Based on the inactivity looks like we'll have a 2-2 tie. I think both the villagers and wolves deserve better than the activity level today.

[DaddyTorgo]

This is pathetic.

Another tie. And a shit-ton of inactivity.

I'd petition for Zinto to extend the deadline 24hrs since today is V-day, if anyone else wants to get on board for that.

[Autumn]

I think we can be pretty certain EF will change his vote before the end.

[DaddyTorgo]

If I'm right about Autumn I'm going to get sniped at the deadline by one of the wolves still out there (saldana/britrock, or even possibly CR I suppose).

[Danny]

I think we can be pretty certain EF will change his vote before the end.

Certainly if he comes online he will. We'll see

[DaddyTorgo]

or EF I suppose, as Autumn points out.

Obviously the person who snipes onto me will be evil - keep in mind that you can probably figure out by who it is whether they're the cultist or the wolf.

[Autumn]

Why "even possibly CR"? You feel good about him now?

[DaddyTorgo]

Just saying - he could have pulled the wool over my eyes. I feel pretty good about him, but I have a hell of a time reading him typically, so maybe he's completely played me.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hopefully the non-wolves out there will be around and will recognize the attempt to snipe onto me at the deadline and counter it

[DaddyTorgo]

well autumn and danny are here...

[Autumn]

So, DT, of Brit, Saldana and Chief, who do you think the wolf is?

[DaddyTorgo]

So, DT, of Brit, Saldana and Chief, who do you think the wolf is?

Just one? So you're admitting you're one?

[DaddyTorgo]

So, DT, of Brit, Saldana and Chief, who do you think the wolf is?

That's a good question. I'm not sure...gun to my head I guess I'd say brit. He's been seriously dead-quiet except for those vote-posts of his.

[DaddyTorgo]

EF is back...

[Autumn]

Yes, I'm a wolf and I can't figure out who the other one is.

Where's that eyeroll emoticon.

No, DT, you're voting for me, so I'm going along with the pretense that you think I'm a wolf. You want to pretend to be a villager, so I'm helping out.

[DaddyTorgo]

6 minutes EF...2-2 tie between Autumn and I.

Danny and Autumn voting for me, Chief and I voting for Autumn.

[Autumn]

More disappointingly, Sal is voting Danny.

[DaddyTorgo]

Moment of truth as to who the cultist is here...hope the non-cultist that's on (assuming there is one) is ready to counter...

[EagleFan]

Jeez, no pressure.

[Danny]

And Brit didnt even vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

Jeez, no pressure.

blame it on sal and brit being basically absent today.

[Autumn]

EF, we already know you'll change at the very last second. So if you really want to surprise us you should do it now.

[EagleFan]

vote DT

I think both of them are clean to be honest.

[Autumn]

Brit and Saldana better be making sweet love right now. that's the only good excuse.

AndI don't mean together. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Autumn]

I can't believe this! Oh yeah, I can.

[DaddyTorgo]

HELP!!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

Danny?

[Autumn]

I hope EF's computer suddenly freezes.

[Danny]

you need to unvote sal

[DaddyTorgo]

Autumn

[Autumn]

That would be great.

[Danny]

EF unvote sal

[Autumn]

lol

[EagleFan]

Why does sal need to unvote?

[Danny]

You need to unvote sal

[DaddyTorgo]

TOO LATE

LOL

[EagleFan]

oh crap, forgot I voted sal already.

unvote sal, vote DT

[Autumn]

Now by Zinto's rules probably JAG will get lynched.

[Danny]

WOnder if that was on purpose

[Danny]

Three ties out of four lynches, WW record.

[Autumn]

Has there ever been a game with three ties, two of which were the same two people? lol

[Autumn]

I assume EF's just trying to maximize the lunacy.

If not, the other possibility is DT is a villager, as am I, and Danny and EF wanted to take a shot at both of us getting lynched.

[Autumn]

That would be a risky shot though given the rules.

[Autumn]

If Danny was a wolf and EF the cultist, I think that EF would have just voted me, getting Danny off the hook and spending tomorrow chasing EF.

[Danny]

I assume EF's just trying to maximize the lunacy.

If not, the other possibility is DT is a villager, as am I, and Danny and EF wanted to take a shot at both of us getting lynched.

that would be dumb though, a villager lynch and successful night kill is a wolf win.

[Autumn]

If Danny and EF are both wolves, god knows who the cultist is. But in that case I could see them doing this, though I can't see Danny pushing the seer so hard to reveal.

[Danny]

DT is not a villager though

[Autumn]

If Danny is the cultist, and EF is a villager who just screwed up, then maybe the two wolves are just chilling at home making sweet valentine's love.

[Danny]

The other possibility is that Sal is the cultist and not EF. I was thinking EF was cultist too, but Sal hasnt exactly been helpful to the village

[Danny]

If Danny is the cultist, and EF is a villager who just screwed up, then maybe the two wolves are just chilling at home making sweet valentine's love.

DT is still a wolf

[Autumn]

Looks like they night killed Zinto.

[Autumn]

DT is still a wolf

Well, that's where my vote is. But I haven't had today to ponder it all, so I'm considering the wide array of possibilities.

[DaddyTorgo]

DT is not a villager though

Yes I am. You say this with such certainty - makes me think you're not.

[Danny]

Well, that's where my vote is. But I haven't had today to ponder it all, so I'm considering the wide array of possibilities.

Only possibility in my mind, pretty obvious to me, I will be SHOCKED if that is not the case.

[Autumn]

DT and Chief both played exactly as I would have expected as wolves. I'll feel kind of bad if it's really Danny, but he did a great job of playing like a villager if so, and got the luck of the others playing the part.

[Zinto]

Hahah sorry guys I will process in a moment.

[Danny]

fingers crossed the tie mechanic gives us some luck for once

[Danny]

Yes I am. You say this with such certainty - makes me think you're not.

I don't need to be a wolf, I am that good :lol:

[DaddyTorgo]

DT and Chief both played exactly as I would have expected as wolves. I'll feel kind of bad if it's really Danny, but he did a great job of playing like a villager if so, and got the luck of the others playing the part.

I'm a villager though.

Well at least my mixing up my play stylistically is working well.

[DaddyTorgo]

fingers crossed the tie mechanic gives us some luck for once

and by "us" you mean the bad guys?

[Zinto]

Official Vote Count
2 DT-Danny(587), Autumn(616)
2 Autumn-DT(603), CR(614)
1 Sal-EF(612)
1 Danny-Sal(613)

1 Nightfall-DT

[DaddyTorgo]

C'mon Zinto...I can't wait to see what happens this time!!!

[EagleFan]

Wow, screwed the pooch there. Had my wife standing over me doing the "I'm going to bed and it's Valentines Day and you are looking at that!?!?" thing.

[DaddyTorgo]

Wow, screwed the pooch there. Had my wife standing over me doing the "I'm going to bed and it's Valentines Day and you are looking at that!?!?" thing.

Well provisionally I'm glad that you screwed the pooch - as you should be too if you were actually a villager.

[Autumn]

Never screw the pooch when you can be screwing the wife.

[Autumn]

I'm sure Zinto prepared three layers of tie-breaking mechanics before starting the game. He's that good.

[EagleFan]

Never screw the pooch when you can be screwing the wife.


Sadly she was just going to bed to go to sleep...

She hasn't been feeling good and was exhausted.

[Danny]

Wow and you messed up the vote for that?

[Zinto]

Once again no one can make up their minds on who has been behind all of the murders so far. You believe that the only way that everyone can come to an agreement tonight is to play eeny, meeny, miny, mo with the whole group. And can you believe who the tiger caught whith his toe? It was Chief Rum. And do you know what he had on him? An ID with the We All Scream for Ice Cream corporation logo on it.

Chief Rum was a wolf.

Night 4 Deadline is 2 AM.

[Danny]

Kidding of course

[Autumn]

Well, what's her problem then, jeez.

[Danny]

YES< THE DAY IS MINE!!!!

[Autumn]

Hah.

[EagleFan]

I'm sure Zinto prepared three layers of tie-breaking mechanics before starting the game. He's that good.

The third layer of mechanic that I had in one of my games was "Everyone dies"... suddenly nervous.

[Autumn]

Finally a nice die roll, or something.

[Danny]

Really lucky that happened, but glad to see I am vindicated. Lets lynch DT tomorrow and win this thing.

[DaddyTorgo]

Holy shit.

CR was a wolf? Wow. Goes to show - I can't read that fucker at all. He's totally in my blind-spot.

[DaddyTorgo]

Really lucky that happened, but glad to see I am vindicated. Lets lynch DT tomorrow and win this thing.

That won't get you the win.

[Danny]

Holy shit.

CR was a wolf? Wow. Goes to show - I can't read that fucker at all. He's totally in my blind-spot.

lol, and the academy goes to...

[DaddyTorgo]

Really lucky that happened, but glad to see I am vindicated. Lets lynch DT tomorrow and win this thing.

If I was a wolf why would CR and I vote together tonight without having a third person (the cultist) locked in with us to kill autumn?

your logic is flawed.

CR fooled me. But in the end it all worked in our favor as villagers.

[Danny]

If I was a wolf why would CR and I vote together tonight without having a third person (the cultist) locked in with us to kill autumn?

your logic is flawed.

CR fooled me. But in the end it all worked in our favor as villagers.

How would you know that the cultist wasnt going to vote with you. Pretty sure you expected EF to come on and swing the vote to Autumn.

[DaddyTorgo]

That does tell me that Autumn is likely a villager though, because I can't see the wolves willing to split their votes and put a wolf in danger like they would have.

Okay - so CR was a wolf...EF seems to be the cultist based on that late switch (so it seems right now - i admit my cultist reads have changed frequently)

Which means the 2nd wolf is between Autumn/saldana/britrock...

[DaddyTorgo]

How would you know that the cultist wasnt going to vote with you. Pretty sure you expected EF to come on and swing the vote to Autumn.

What? he voted me at 9pm dude...he was obviously swinging the vote to me.

[Danny]

That does tell me that Autumn is likely a villager though, because I can't see the wolves willing to split their votes and put a wolf in danger like they would have.

Okay - so CR was a wolf...EF seems to be the cultist based on that late switch (so it seems right now - i admit my cultist reads have changed frequently)

Which means the 2nd wolf is between Autumn/saldana/britrock...

The last wolf is 100% Autumn, DT or Me. We all claim vanilla villager and there can be only two left.

[DaddyTorgo]

That does tell me that Autumn is likely a villager though, because I can't see the wolves willing to split their votes and put a wolf in danger like they would have.

Okay - so CR was a wolf...EF seems to be the cultist based on that late switch (so it seems right now - i admit my cultist reads have changed frequently)

Which means the 2nd wolf is between Autumn/saldana/britrock...

Based on my comment about autumn being likely a villager i'd put him at the bottom of that list, and put saldana/britrock up top of it.

[DaddyTorgo]

The last wolf is 100% Autumn, DT or Me. We all claim vanilla villager and there can be only two left.

why not saldana or britrock?

if it's between the 3 of us then it's autumn

[Danny]

And from my point of view, I know I am not a wolf (and I seem the least likely as I named CR as a wolf early today and made a vote on him early on a previous day) making you or Autumn 100% a wolf.

[Danny]

why not saldana or britrock?

if it's between the 3 of us then it's autumn

Because it has to be one of us, we all claim vanilla, and that cant be true

[britrock88]

Brit and Saldana better be making sweet love right now. that's the only good excuse.

AndI don't mean together. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Wow. Happy hour obviously does not count, for the 2nd time in 4 days. But, as DT referred to (probably to his ultimate undoing, but all the same), having some red in the vote charts will help us immensely, I think.

I'll make sure to get that posted before night deadline. With the UTR types the wolves have been after (I see CR is going after some of his own... and I bet I haven't been around the WW forum long enough for him to think of me as someone to pick off as a potentially roled UTR guy), I have to wonder whether I'll make it through the night. At least it's 4-1-1 now.

[DaddyTorgo]

If people were actually around tonight I might argue that this would be the time for a reveal...because the BG could protect the seer, which would give them a 1/3 chance of picking out the last wolf, and if that failed then the village would have time to lynch the last wolf before they could win.

unfortunately, it being valentine's day i don't know that everyone will actually check back in to make that viable.

[Danny]

So tomorrow I expect two things to happen.

1. seer reveals after having scanned DT or Autumn.

2. Cultist reveals as seer to try and counter that.

Not necessarily in that order

[Danny]

Id say if the seer has into about Autumn or DT, they still should reveal before the night kill deadline just in case.

[EagleFan]

Crud, that kind of sucked. So much for hoping for a good roll again tonight. At least I know who I can take out on the way tonight. That will at least be my parting shot. Getting greedy hurt. Sorry CR, should have listened to you.

Either DT, Autumn or Sal are done for tonight. Haven't made up my mind yet.

[Danny]

info*

[DaddyTorgo]

everyone's here but CR - do we know if he'll be back around tonight?

[EagleFan]

Good game all.

[Danny]

everyone's here but CR - do we know if he'll be back around tonight?

What did his PM say?

[Danny]

Crud, that kind of sucked. So much for hoping for a good roll again tonight. At least I know who I can take out on the way tonight. That will at least be my parting shot. Getting greedy hurt. Sorry CR, should have listened to you.

Either DT, Autumn or Sal are done for tonight. Haven't made up my mind yet.

lol, your best bet was to hold off and reveal as seer to try and get the person you thought wasnt the wolf lynched. Thanks for making it easy at least.

[Autumn]

To make this game truly classic, I hope the seer has forgotten to put in orders every single night.

[DaddyTorgo]

Crud, that kind of sucked. So much for hoping for a good roll again tonight. At least I know who I can take out on the way tonight. That will at least be my parting shot. Getting greedy hurt. Sorry CR, should have listened to you.

Either DT, Autumn or Sal are done for tonight. Haven't made up my mind yet.

You're the cultist. Since you didn't name britrock I'm thinking he's the other wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

What did his PM say?

Oh yeah...duhhh...lol

[Danny]

THE OTHER WOLF HAS TO 100% BE AUTUMN, DT OR ME

[Autumn]

Increase font size, Danny.

[Danny]

THE OTHER WOLF HAS TO 100% BE AUTUMN, DT OR ME

[EagleFan]

THE OTHER WOLF HAS TO 100% BE AUTUMN, DT OR ME

Go with that... go with that!!!!

[Autumn]

Just to show you that DT is bad, he has way more posts in this game than either Danny or I. Clearly something is wrong.