Vanilla Flavored Werewolf-Villagers Win

[Zinto]

The world is a world with only one flavor of ice cream, vanilla. Throughout time there has been documents discovered by treasure hunters talking about a delicious flavor called "chocolate". As more and more information came out about this flavor a new company, Werewolf Ice Cream, decided that they would need to get their hands on the recipe so they can mass produce the flavor. Werewolf Ice Cream has decided to hire you(yes you) to their archeology team now that they have pinpointed were the recipe lays hidden.

[Zinto]

Basic Werewolf Rules:
1. No editing of posts
2. No quoting of private messages
3. No discussion of the game outside of the thread

Voting:
To vote for someone bold your vote and put it into a separate line

Vote Zinto

To change your vote simply post an unvote and a new vote

Unvote Zinto
Vote Zinto

You may vote nightfall but once you do you cannot change it and you can also not change your vote

Vote Nightfall

You may vote No Lynch

Vote No Lynch

Deadlines:
Lynch:9 PM
Night Deadline:2 AM
No votes marked 9:01 and no night actions marked 2:01 will be accepted

Roles:
Seer-Each night receives a vision of a living player and learns whether that player is "Wolf" or "not Wolf."
Martyr-Each night, may choose one player to protect. If the protected player is targeted for Night Kill, the martyr will die instead.
Hunter-Counts as two villagers and wins the game at the end if alive with one wolf at the end of the game.

Two Wolves
Cultist-Can scan a player each night to see if they are the seer. Does not know who the wolves are. Counts as a villager for end game purposes.

[Zinto]

Signup List:
1.Britrock
2.Danny
3.Jag-Vanilla Villager-Night Killed Night One
4.Raiders Army-Vanilla Villager-Night Killed Night Two
5.EagleFan
6.DaddyTorgo
7.Saldana-Martyr-Night Killed Night Two
8.Chief Rum-Wolf A-Lynched Day Four
9.Path12-Hunter-Night Killed Night Three
10.Mauchow-Vanilla Villager-Lynched Day Three
11.Autumn
12.Fontisian-Vanilla Villager- Lynch Day Two

[Zinto]

This game is going to be really basic, since I have nothing cool or exciting planned for it. I am going to hop into the shower then post details.

[britrock88]

In.

[Danny]

Sure why not, in

[JAG]

In.

[britrock88]

Long shower...

[Zinto]

I changed the night and day deadlines just so everyone knows. I am willing to push the day deadline back if people like that more but I won't be able to process until I get home from work most nights at 2.

[Lathum]

sure, why not.

in

[EagleFan]

Have to be in if Lathum is playing!!!

In

[EagleFan]

What time zone are the deadlines?

[DaddyTorgo]

In!!

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE LATHUM

[saldana]

i shall sample your vanilla werewolf

[Chief Rum]

Zinto

[path12]

In please.

[Chief Rum]

In please.

Awesome. Lathum, EF and path, welcome back.

[mauchow]

I wanna play !

[DaddyTorgo]

I wanna play !

VOTE MAUCHOW so he can go spend time with his new baby daughter.

[Autumn]

In

[Zinto]

What time zone are the deadlines?


Eastern. I am shooting for a Monday start, with roles going out on Sunday.

[mauchow]

VOTE MAUCHOW so he can go spend time with his new baby daughter.

:) While I'm sitting there twiddling my thumbs with nothing to do in the hospital this might give me a good distraction. :)

Vote DT for faulty logic! He just sounds like a wolf!

[fontisian]

In.

[Lathum]

hey, I need to be removed for the time being. I can't access FOFC from my home network for some reason and trying to keep up on my phone just wouldnt be fun.

If it gets resolved by the start I'll be back in, but until then I have to back out.

[Darth Vilus]

In

[DaddyTorgo]

hey, I need to be removed for the time being. I can't access FOFC from my home network for some reason and trying to keep up on my phone just wouldnt be fun.

If it gets resolved by the start I'll be back in, but until then I have to back out.

damn you!

[EagleFan]

hey, I need to be removed for the time being. I can't access FOFC from my home network for some reason and trying to keep up on my phone just wouldnt be fun.

If it gets resolved by the start I'll be back in, but until then I have to back out.

That sounds like a wolf trying to setup a story for why he doesn't post much. He HAS to be a wolf!!!!

vote Lathum

[Darth Vilus]

Sorry I have to drop out, I'm gonna be busy for awhile

[Raiders Army]

I'll join.

[Zinto]

Sounds good RA. No worries DV and Lathum. Roles will be going out at 8ish, so feel free to join up if anyone else wants to.

[Zinto]

Roles going out.

[Zinto]

Vanilla Villagers got a private message that says:

You are a Vanilla Villager

If you did not get a PM please PM me.

[Zinto]

You have spent the last few weeks searching for the secret recipe for chocolate ice cream. Finally you feel like you are only a few more days away as you see more idols and murals depicting the tasty looking ice cream. As a group you decide to continue for a couple more hours even though exhaustion is beginning to set in.

You set up camp next to a statue of what looks like a banana in a bowl with a couple of scoops of ice cream. Tired you all fall fast asleep until you hear a scream. One of you finds that Leroy Jenkins went off by himself last night only to be stabbed in the back and murdered.

As you search the body for clues you find a pin with the name of Werewolf Ice Cream's biggest corporate rival We All Scream for Ice Cream. Clearly, some of that company has infiltrated this Archeological dig to put a stop to their rivals from getting ahead in the market.

You decide you need to figure out who is with We all Scream for Ice Cream before continuing on this dangerous path.

Day One Begins

[path12]

LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!

Hi kids. Checking in. Been awhile.

[EagleFan]

Checking in.

[britrock88]

Hello, everybody.

[EagleFan]

Quiet in here....

I'll post a voting history while it's easy:

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[JAG]

Yo. Lets get the ball rolling with some votes.

Vote saldana

He fooled me last game.

[mauchow]

Vanilla villager here

[Danny]

Checking in, will vote later

[JAG]

Vanilla villager here

Too early for this Mau.

[britrock88]

Vote Autumn

Perhaps we'll bring people out of the woodwork.

[DaddyTorgo]

That's right...game on!

[DaddyTorgo]

Quiet in here....

I'll post a voting history while it's easy:

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This is clearly a cultist signal to the wolves in binary. Or something.

[DaddyTorgo]

This is clearly a cultist signal to the wolves in binary. Or something.

LMAO

And I hadn't read back through the setup to see that there was actually a cultist in the game when I posted that!

[Autumn]

All right, I'm here. And ready for some ice cream.

[Autumn]

Let the votes run like chocolate syrup!

<b>VOTE DADDYTORGO</b>

[Chief Rum]

Hey, yo, what's up, checkin' in.

You wanna fight about it?

[path12]

Just FYI I'm not likely to be around much at deadlines so will make sure and get my votes in earlier.

More candidates are better than fewer on day 1 I guess.

VOTE MAUCHOW

No reason.

[EagleFan]

vote JAG

To add another candidate into the mix for now. Will check in again after work.

[britrock88]

1 saldana - JAG (39)
1 Autumn - brit (43)
1 DaddyTorgo - Autumn (48)
1 mauchow - path (50)
1 JAG - EagleFan (51)

[Chief Rum]

Day One votes suck. Y'all know this.

I don't want to add another candidate to the list at this point.

VOTE SALDANA

[EagleFan]

Any of the wolves want to make this easier on us and step forward?

JAG? You know you want to come clean and confess your wolfy ways?

sal? You learned from the best and since he dropped out I bet you are carrying the torch of wolfdom this game?

DT? A Patriots fan must be a wolf?

Autumn? I should channel CF and vote for you because he must just know that you are a wolf.

RA? Any Raider fan is practically a wolf already?

New people whom I haven;t played with? You all must be wolves?

Oh crap, that's it isn't it? I'm the only one that isn't a wolf? I'm doomed!!!!!


;)


Sorry, it was WAY too quiet in here.

[EagleFan]

dola: I know I was going to wait until after work but I needed to step away from what I was doing for a few moments to clear my head. Was hoping to see a few more posts in the thread.

[JAG]

Everyone's too busy with off topic to make incriminating statements here today I guess.

[Zinto]

Official Vote Count:
2-Saldana: Jag(39), Chief Rum(53)
1-Autumn: Brit(43)
1-DaddyTorgot: Autumn(48)
1-Mauchow: Path(50)
1- Jag: EF(51)

[Autumn]

Obviously Chief is the wolf; he placed the first second vote. Easiest game ever.

[DaddyTorgo]

FYI - I'm going to be on a business trip tomorrow so won't be active during the day (will try to catch up after the meeting and before dinner, but it might not happen before say 8pm ET).

Wednesday I'm flying home early-morning and going straight into a meeting at 1PM, so probably won't make it around until more like the end of the workday.

Just wanted to get that out there.

[mauchow]

vote autumn

Screeches tires after firing off rounds.

[mauchow]

Oh wait.. is that ice cream ? Mmmmm

[path12]

Quiet day 1 in a small game seems right. Only two wolves that are likely just going to stay very matter-of-fact today. Cultist will make themself known in time by either vote switches or some other attempt to ID himself to the wolves before they accidentally kill him.

Haven't played with some of you. He's probably innocent but the drive by second vote to tie saldana by mauchow pings my radar (though I'm sure that's just me being rusty) so I'll likely just leave my vote there.

[mauchow]

I'll let u know my reasoning...because autumn got the second vote. Pretty solid eh?

[fontisian]

Hi everyone.
Between, Autumn and saldana, I'd prefer to lynch saldana, as I think we'll get more info from that lynch.
vote saldana

[Chief Rum]

Hi everyone.
Between, Autumn and saldana, I'd prefer to lynch saldana, as I think we'll get more info from that lynch.
vote saldana

Hmm... could you expand on how we end up with more info with saldana lynched over Autumn?

I realize my vote is on saldana, too, of course, so it may seem odd to challenge your vote. But your reasoning seems strange to me.

We don't really have anything to go on yet, IMO, and I don't know how it makes a difference at this point whether we lynch saldana or Autumn (or someone else).

IMO, Day One votes are only useful if we have a close vote and we see deadline vote changes, which might indicate a wolf is on the block. Otherwise, they're usually pretty useless until we can look back on them after some kills/lynches have revealed allegiances.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hi everyone.
Between, Autumn and saldana, I'd prefer to lynch saldana, as I think we'll get more info from that lynch.
vote saldana

Going against fontisian - wondering if that was something he shouldn't have said...

VOTE AUTUMN

[JAG]

Zinto, do we know what happens in a tie?

Unvote saldana
Vote DaddyTorgo

I'd like to keep things more open than a two horse race for now.

[fontisian]

Hmm... could you expand on how we end up with more info with saldana lynched over Autumn?

I realize my vote is on saldana, too, of course, so it may seem odd to challenge your vote. But your reasoning seems strange to me.

We don't really have anything to go on yet, IMO, and I don't know how it makes a difference at this point whether we lynch saldana or Autumn (or someone else).

IMO, Day One votes are only useful if we have a close vote and we see deadline vote changes, which might indicate a wolf is on the block. Otherwise, they're usually pretty useless until we can look back on them after some kills/lynches have revealed allegiances.

I disagree. We can look at what people don't do as much as what they do.
So, two reason:
1. If saldana is a cultist, then mauchow becomes a lot more suspicious. I don't think the reverse (we lynch mauchow and he turns out to be a cultist) really incriminates saldana. Brit and Autumn become really suspicious as well for voting for someone else immediately afterwards. You and JAG would be cleared.

2. His innocence would clear mauchow, and probably path and EagleFan as well, at least from being part of the wolf faction.

[Zinto]

Official Vote Count:
2-Saldana: Chief Rum(53), Font(64)
3-Autumn: Brit(43), Mauchow(60), DaddyTorgo(66)
2-DaddyTorgot: Autumn(48), Jag(67)
1-Mauchow: Path(50)
1- Jag: EF(51)

[Zinto]

Zinto, do we know what happens in a tie?

You do not.

[fontisian]

I'd rather no go for a tie and risk a no-lynch.

[Autumn]

It's nice to see you guys too.

[JAG]

I disagree. We can look at what people don't do as much as what they do.
So, two reason:
1. If saldana is a cultist, then mauchow becomes a lot more suspicious. I don't think the reverse (we lynch mauchow and he turns out to be a cultist) really incriminates saldana. Brit and Autumn become really suspicious as well for voting for someone else immediately afterwards. You and JAG would be cleared.

2. His innocence would clear mauchow, and probably path and EagleFan as well, at least from being part of the wolf faction.

I don't agree with your reasoning. No matter what side mau is on, he wasn't going to vote saldana in a 2-1-1-1-1 race and make it 3-1-1-1-1.

I am not worried at all about a tie at the moment with two votes still outstanding and 3+ hours until deadline.

[Danny]

vote fontisian

[Danny]

I understand this is a laterish vote for someone with no votes, but at this point I am voting the only person who is pinging me a little.

[DaddyTorgo]

I understand this is a laterish vote for someone with no votes, but at this point I am voting the only person who is pinging me a little.

He's pinging you for his defense of Autumn though, right? So wouldn't the logical play be to vote for Autumn, who has votes, rather than introducing a new candidate?

[Raiders Army]

Well, danny has a throwaway vote, but I'll make it interesting.

VOTE AUTUMN

I may change based on movement of votes (or non-movement).

[Raiders Army]

Oh yeah, checking in.

[Raiders Army]

I didn't realize the game started today.

[Danny]

He's pinging you for his defense of Autumn though, right? So wouldn't the logical play be to vote for Autumn, who has votes, rather than introducing a new candidate?

And if I need to go there, I might, but I'd still rather go font. His posts could simply be tentative wolfy posts, but not necessarily protecting someone specific.

[Danny]

Not really a throwaway vote when one more vote puts him right in the thick of things. THis wasn't 6-5-1.

[JAG]

I do think font's vote and reasoning was a bit out of the ordinary, but I think it could also be chalked up to not knowing her play style as this is her second game (and the previous one was not a normal game of voting).

[Raiders Army]

fontisian is a woman?

[JAG]

But if I'm wrong, she could also be trying to protect someone else who had one vote at the time, trying to make it a two villager race between Autumn and saldana. That isn't me, so it would be either Mau or DT, so I went with the one I thought was slightly more suspicious.

[path12]

I'll let u know my reasoning...because autumn got the second vote. Pretty solid eh?

Clear as chocolate.

[Danny]

It was not a normal game, but I was impressed with font's play and posting last game. Unfortunately for him/her? that makes me less likely to give the benefit of the doubt on day 1 where there is little to go on.

[Raiders Army]

Soooooo....fontisian is a woman?

[Autumn]

RA getting kind of creepy.

[Autumn]

Well, danny has a throwaway vote, but I'll make it interesting.

VOTE AUTUMN

I may change based on movement of votes (or non-movement).

How is putting me ahead 4-2-2 making it interesting? usually that means making it a close race, not putting someone further ahead.

[path12]

I disagree. We can look at what people don't do as much as what they do.
So, two reason:
1. If saldana is a cultist, then mauchow becomes a lot more suspicious. I don't think the reverse (we lynch mauchow and he turns out to be a cultist) really incriminates saldana. Brit and Autumn become really suspicious as well for voting for someone else immediately afterwards. You and JAG would be cleared.

2. His innocence would clear mauchow, and probably path and EagleFan as well, at least from being part of the wolf faction.

When you say cultist do you mean wolf? Because my assumption is that the cultist does not know who the wolves are and vice versa (I could be wrong but IIRC that's usually how it works).

Because if we lynch sal and he is good, then mauchow becomes more suspicious to me as a wolf. Frankly right now when we know nothing he strikes me as the cultist, but I'm not familiar with his playstyle.

And I don't understand how that would clear me.

Gotta run, will leave my vote where it is. Will try to be around again before deadline.

[fontisian]

Not really a throwaway vote when one more vote puts him right in the thick of things. THis wasn't 6-5-1.
Putting a bit of pressure on 6 people is a lot like putting pressure on no one. Why respond to a vote when it's so unlikely that that one vote is going to go anywhere? I wanted to narrow down the field a bit, to see how people would react. Voting for someone who one vote or less wold not accomplish that goal.

[fontisian]

When you say cultist do you mean wolf? Because my assumption is that the cultist does not know who the wolves are and vice versa (I could be wrong but IIRC that's usually how it works).
Yes, I meant wolf. Sorry.

I should specify that when I said "clear" earlier, I meant that their actions become less suspicious.

[fontisian]

fontisian is a woman?
Soooooo....fontisian is a woman?
This is getting weird, man.
Yeah, I'm a woman. For the most part, I've given up on correcting it.

[Chief Rum]

Soooooo....fontisian is a woman?

Yes sir.

[Chief Rum]

Two Wolves
Cultist-Can scan a player each night to see if they are the seer. Does not know who the wolves are. Counts as a villager for end game purposes

There might be confusion about this, so thought I would put it up there from the rules. The cultist does not know who the wolves are.

Although it does not state it in the rules, I presume, as per usual, that the wolves do not know who the cultist is.

[fontisian]

Still a little confused.
Does the cultist win if the wolves win?

[Danny]

Yes, but usually the cultist does not know the identify of the wolves at the beginning of the game. They are just like a vanilla villager trying to figure out the wolves, except to help / protect them.

[Danny]

You dont have to answer if you it makes you uncomfortable Font, but do you know anyone here in real life? I am asking because it helps explain some in game behavior sometimes. For example, Saldana and Lathum are real life friends, so never vote eachother day 1. I am real life friends with Darth, so all else being even, I almost always vote elsewhere (though he seems to not mind voting me lol).

[Autumn]

And for example, CrimsonFox is often seen lurking outside my windows, and so I never vote him day one, because I want to keep him occupied.

[Chief Rum]

You dont have to answer if you it makes you uncomfortable Font, but do you know anyone here in real life? I am asking because it helps explain some in game behavior sometimes. For example, Saldana and Lathum are real life friends, so never vote eachother day 1. I am real life friends with Darth, so all else being even, I almost always vote elsewhere (though he seems to not mind voting me lol).

Exactly. And Danny is a Kings fan, so as a Ducks fan, I am obligated to see him out of the game, preferably with a nasty hip check.

[fontisian]

Yes, but usually the cultist does not know the identify of the wolves at the beginning of the game. They are just like a vanilla villager trying to figure out the wolves, except to help / protect them.
Cool. Thanks.

I don't know anyone here irl, as far as I'm aware. CF recommended these games on another mafia site and I thought I'd give it a shot. If you're looking for ulterior reasons, I might be a little upset that saldana wasn't lynched during the last game. I try to keep that bias out of my thought process, though.

[Autumn]

Also, you can see from Danny's signature that he's very close with some of the people here.

[Chief Rum]

lol... Autumn and I leaping on the same sort of punchline here. :)

[Danny]

Also, you can see from Danny's signature that he's very close with some of the people here.

Yeah, but those are often love-hate relationships

[britrock88]

2-Saldana: Chief Rum(53), Font(64)
4-Autumn: Brit(43), Mauchow(60), DaddyTorgo(66), RA(77)
2-DaddyTorgo: Autumn(48), Jag(67)
1-Mauchow: Path(50)
1-JAG: EF(51)
1-Fontisian: Danny(74)

Saldana yet to vote.

[Danny]

Alright, looks like no movement on Font

unvote font
vote daddytorgo

[britrock88]

2-Saldana: Chief Rum(53), Font(64)
4-Autumn: Brit(43), Mauchow(60), DaddyTorgo(66), RA(77)
3-DaddyTorgo: Autumn(48), Jag(67), Danny(106)
1-Mauchow: Path(50)
1-JAG: EF(51)

Dinner time.

[Chief Rum]

Just an FYI. I am headed to my other job and will be out of contact for the next several hours, and will not be around for the deadline.

[DaddyTorgo]

Alright, looks like no movement on Font

unvote font
vote daddytorgo

you were suspicious of font and then you switch your vote to me, who wasn't autumn or saldana? How does that make sense?

[fontisian]

Unvote saldana
Vote DaddyTorgo
I'll be around in case it comes to a tie. Let's see what happens in the meantime.

... And now I'm worried that this will be interpreted as white knighting Autumn again. Lovely.

[Danny]

you were suspicious of font and then you switch your vote to me, who wasn't autumn or saldana? How does that make sense?

i was satisfied with fonts reaction. Im feeling pretty decent about my current vote

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting - so danny and fontisian abandon their candidates and both switch to me within 4 minutes...

[Autumn]

Blindsided!

[fontisian]

interesting - so danny and fontisian abandon their candidates and both switch to me within 4 minutes...
Well yeah. I switched to you because Danny switched to you, in order to momentarily tie the vote. Frankly, your reaction is making me glad that I did.

Do you realize that you are implying that a) Danny and I are idiots and b) Danny, Autumn and I are team? Unless you're just trying to say that I am supporting Autumn, which I could understand, though that didn't come across in your post.

[Autumn]

Nice work, team!

[Zinto]

*Cough deadline is in 45 mins cough*

Just so everyone knows

[DaddyTorgo]

Well yeah. I switched to you because Danny switched to you, in order to momentarily tie the vote. Frankly, your reaction is making me glad that I did.

Do you realize that you are implying that a) Danny and I are idiots and b) Danny, Autumn and I are team? Unless you're just trying to say that I am supporting Autumn, which I could understand, though that didn't come across in your post.

Just pointing things out...observing. It doesn't strike me that all of you are wolves because of that, but maybe 1 is and is trying to hide/push the vote to a villager.

I'm just a villager.

[JAG]

*Cough deadline is in 45 mins cough*

Just so everyone knows

Thank you, I was thinking it was 9pm CST for some reason.

[Autumn]

Who is the missing vote?

[Autumn]

I think Chief said he's out for the night, path did as well, I think. So it's up to EagleFan, mystery man or one of us on the main contenders to switch their vote. I volunteer to not switch my vote.

[fontisian]

4-Autumn: Brit(43), Mauchow(60), DaddyTorgo(66), RA(77)
4-DaddyTorgo: Autumn(48), Jag(67), Danny(106), Font(64)
1-Saldana: Chief Rum(53)
1-Mauchow: Path(50)
1-JAG: EF(51)
Saldana is the only one missing.

[Danny]

I think Chief said he's out for the night, path did as well, I think. So it's up to EagleFan, mystery man or one of us on the main contenders to switch their vote. I volunteer to not switch my vote.

Very wolfish of you

[Autumn]

I've been caught!

[Zinto]

Official Vote Count:
1-Saldana: Chief Rum(53)
4-Autumn: Brit(43), Mauchow(60), DaddyTorgo(66), RA(77)
4-DaddyTorgot: Autumn(48), Jag(67), Danny(106), Font(110)
1-Mauchow: Path(50)
1-Jag: EF(51)

Yet To Vote:Sal

[Raiders Army]

This is getting weird, man.
Yeah, I'm a woman. For the most part, I've given up on correcting it.

Sorry. There was no answer so I asked again. It's not a handle that I assume to be feminine. Then again I don't know what a fontisian is. :)

[Raiders Army]

Well there are enough people here. I'm not switching. Good Luck villagers

[Zinto]

Ten minutes until deadline!

[DaddyTorgo]

It'd be real nice if one of the people on me switched...my neck would appreciate it.

[path12]

Huh. Interesting day.

[path12]

Is it weird to anyone else how the early votes on sal just......went away? On day 1?

[path12]

But I guess with only two wolves it is just one of those things.

[Autumn]

My secret urgent reveal is ... !

I like vanilla ice cream. French Vanilla mostly.

No role reveal here. Let DT and I duke it out.

[JAG]

My secret urgent reveal is ... !

I like vanilla ice cream. French Vanilla mostly.

No role reveal here. Let DT and I duke it out.

I see what you did there.

[fontisian]

Ah well. Maybe tomorrow Danny. Unvote Danny

[Autumn]

I see what you did there.

lol, not intentional. I was trying to think of an amusing duel we could have, but I'm too distracted by work. Ice ceram sundae eating contest?

[Autumn]

I dn'ot think yo'ure voting for danny fontisian.

[Autumn]

You probably mean daddytorgo

[Raiders Army]

Ummm. CR and path you can switch your vote if you want

[fontisian]

Um, I meant Daddy? Please have that count?

[path12]

Ummm. CR and path you can switch your vote if you want

I've got no feel about either.

[Raiders Army]

Me neither but wouldn't it be better to lynch?

[Autumn]

*sad trombone*

[Zinto]

Deadline

[Zinto]

Ah well. Maybe tomorrow Danny. Unvote Danny


Sorry Font, it does not count.

[path12]

Me neither but wouldn't it be better to lynch?

Well that's the rub isn't it?

Had a post ready to go switching to DT. Decided in the end to see what happened. I take full responsibility for not switching.

[Zinto]

Official Vote Count:
1-Saldana: Chief Rum(53)
4-Autumn: Brit(43), Mauchow(60), DaddyTorgo(66), RA(77)
4-DaddyTorgo: Autumn(48), Jag(67), Danny(106), Font(110)
1-Mauchow: Path(50)
1-Jag: EF(51)

Yet To Vote:Sal

[fontisian]

I did say unvote. Can that count, please?

[Autumn]

Heh, don't sweat it Font -- many a vote hasn't counted for not being bolded or being typed wrong.

[Autumn]

Just gotta get good at typing up a correction super quick.

[Autumn]

Look how many times I can post in a second!

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah, no sweat.

Odds are we were villager-villager anyways.

[Autumn]

If I bite it, so be it. I've got no role, and you can learn something, maybe, from a tight vote. Small games are tough though. Lots of noise, little signal.

[fontisian]

Sorry guys.

[Autumn]

I, for one, don't mind!

[fontisian]

At least we get to know the procedure for a tie vote. Could come in handy later.

[Zinto]

After a day of arguing about who could behind poor Leroy's death you come to a consensus, that you cannot decide on anything. In the end you flip a coin, with Autumn being heads and DT being tails.

You decide to flip the coin and you all gather to watch as it goes into the air. When the coin lands, it falls on its edge and stops. You take the tie and the coin not deciding for you as an act of some higher beings that today you should just move on from tonight and get some sleep.

There was no lynch.

Day One Ends.
Night One Begins.

[Danny]

Damn it, I got caught up researching some books and didnt get back in time to change.

[Danny]

Im not so convinced we were villager villager however

[DaddyTorgo]

Alright - no lynch works for me.

[Autumn]

lol, the old coin on its edge trick. Damn.

[fontisian]

Nhhh. Sorry.

[DaddyTorgo]

I've got a 5:30am flight, so I've got to leave for the airport at like 4am, so I'm heading to bed in a couple minutes here.

[Autumn]

Alright - no lynch works for me.

Well, I'm glad it wasn't me, but I don't think it works. Just makes for a wasted day until one or both of us croaks later.

[Autumn]

Nhhh. Sorry.

Not your fault. No one else switched. Also, Saldana didn't even vote.

[Zinto]

Off to work everyone.

[britrock88]

Ummm. CR and path you can switch your vote if you want

They were both out at deadline...

[britrock88]

(As was I. But I was on Autumn already.)

[path12]

They were both out at deadline...

No, I got here about 10 minutes before deadline.

Have my vote ready for tomorrow.

[Autumn]

(Well, you could have switched your vote too).

[britrock88]

No, I got here about 10 minutes before deadline.

Have my vote ready for tomorrow.

((Sorry. Thought I had read something about you saying that earlier.))

[fontisian]

((((((What is the point of this?))))))

[britrock88]

The first one was a parenthetical remark. Then Autumn took it up, and I multiplied it.

Anyway, voting table: (no green/red yet, alas)


time post voter votee #
04:21 39 JAG saldana 1
09:16 43 brit Autumn 1
09:46 48 Autumn DT 1
10:29 50 path12 mauchow 1
11:23 51 EF JAG 1
11:59 53 CR saldana 2
14:52 60 mauchow Autumn 2
17:04 64 font saldana 3
17:18 66 DT Autumn 3
17:21 67 JAG x sal 2
DT 2
17:45 73 Danny font 1
17:48 77 RA Autumn 4
18:49 106 Danny x font 0
DT 3
18:53 110 font x sal 1
DT 4

[fontisian]

Convenient. Thanks.

[mauchow]

I'm sure if I was on at deadline I would have made a switch, except I had basketball at 7:30 and also had in my head that it was a 9:00 (my time) deadline.

[EagleFan]

Sorry, fell asleep on the couch and just catching up.

[Danny]

It's really my fault. I am always anti tie, and planned to switch if needed, but was surfing and lost track of time.

[path12]

Boy I can't help feeling that Autumn got saved. And fontisian has me all kinds of confused.

Hi everyone.
Between, Autumn and saldana, I'd prefer to lynch saldana, as I think we'll get more info from that lynch.
vote saldana

A bunch of people questioned this first vote. At the time it was Autumn 2, saldana, mauchow and JAG one each.

I'd rather no go for a tie and risk a no-lynch.

About an hour and a half later, after DT had (very sensibly on reread) made the point that it went from 4-2 Autumn to a tie in about a five minute span:

Well yeah. I switched to you because Danny switched to you, in order to momentarily tie the vote. Frankly, your reaction is making me glad that I did.

Do you realize that you are implying that a) Danny and I are idiots and b) Danny, Autumn and I are team? Unless you're just trying to say that I am supporting Autumn, which I could understand, though that didn't come across in your post.

Personally, I can't figure out what is going on between you, Danny and Autumn over this stretch. But to me it kind of reads like something was.

Ah well. Maybe tomorrow Danny. Unvote Danny

And the awkward last minute vote switch messup. Two minutes later:

Um, I meant Daddy? Please have that count?

Look, I'm not saying fontisian is a wolf. I'm not saying Danny is a wolf. I'm certainly not saying Autumn is a wolf. I'm not smart enough to figure out who is what. I'll bet you there is a wolf in there though.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, that was a waste of a day. I wish I hadn't been working, or I would have broken the tie.

[Zinto]

Everyone begins to wake up and start to get ready for a day when you notice that someone else in your group is not awake. You decide to go check on him in his bed. Jag is just laying there which is unusual since he is often one of the first people up. You began to call his name and he does not respond. Panic falls over the group as you flip him over and see that he has a few stab wounds and is not breathing. It seems the killers have struck again.

Jag was a vanilla villager.

Day Two Begins.

[JAG]

I beat out Leroy at least. Good luck village.

[Autumn]

Well, I think if Font and I were wolves, she would have switched off me instead, and had a good reason for it. I don't know about the rest of it.

[Autumn]

JAG makes sense for an early kill. Luckily was vanilla.

[saldana]

hey all, i totally forgot the game started yesterday..i am here now...thanks for not lynching me yesterday!

[mauchow]

Font also posting at 8:00 asking that it would count rather than just redoing it has me a little miffed. The votes count at :00 still. :01 and after does not count. I want to believe it wasn't an orchestrated move but too much stinks of it.

It would obviously be a monstrous mistake to make this early if font and autumn are indeed the wolves. I think we need to go this route today to see if this was a complete fuck up or a ttue mistake.

vote autumn

[Autumn]

That doesn't really make sense though, Mauchow. Why would Font pretend to unvote in order to keep a tie rather than just doing nothing?

[Autumn]

And yes, I now realize what I said above makes no sense, since she wasn't voting me. Still, I don't see any reasoning behind pretending to make an unvote in order to keep me still tied, instead of doing nothing and hoping for the best.

[britrock88]

Morning, all. Sorry to see JAG go, helpful villager he always is.

[path12]

And yes, I now realize what I said above makes no sense, since she wasn't voting me. Still, I don't see any reasoning behind pretending to make an unvote in order to keep me still tied, instead of doing nothing and hoping for the best.

Better than unvoting DT and having you be lynched though, right?

VOTE AUTUMN

[saldana]

And yes, I now realize what I said above makes no sense, since she wasn't voting me. Still, I don't see any reasoning behind pretending to make an unvote in order to keep me still tied, instead of doing nothing and hoping for the best.

not knowing what the mechanic would be for a tie, i think trying to be helpful and failing due to technical difficulties looks better than sitting and doing nothing

[Chief Rum]

Does this seem to be the way we're looking? font versus Autumn? Autumn is a strong villager, and font has played well since joining. Anyone have thoughts on other candidates?

I am going to review the deadline posting yesterday, see if anything stands out to me.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, if we look at not breaking a tie when you had an opportunity as a bad thing, then, based on posting, I would look at RA, font, path12 and Danny.

RA and font could have switched out their votes and gotten a lynch. path could have switched his vote onto a candidate and gotten a lynch.

I only question Danny because of the whole "just didn't get back in time" thing, but I don't put much weight in that, because I'm certain Danny would lie about real life stuff.

Then the last thing that occurred to me is that Autumn and DT could both be wolves. They figured one of them was going to be lynched no matter what, so why do anything to tip their hands with some move to "save" one or the other? Sure, it's an unlikely coincidence, but not unheard of, and then they got lucky that the lynch was a no-lynch result.

font's deadline move looks shakiest to me.

[Chief Rum]

WOAH... typo alert. I mean Danny would NOT lie about real life stuff.

Sorry, Danny!

[EagleFan]

If you think font is a wolf, why not vote font? We would find out more from a font vote than an autumn vote.

That autumn vote doesn't sit well with me.

vote mau

[mauchow]

If you think font is a wolf, why not vote font? We would find out more from a font vote than an autumn vote.

That autumn vote doesn't sit well with me.

vote mau

That is fine. We can go with the two of them as candidates. .or if you want to vote me then that's fine too.

[mauchow]

Would we be better off trying to find two completely different candidates than yesterday? I'm cant think of a good reason to although im sure dt and autumn would beg to differ. The wolves will not nk one of them any time soon if they're villagers so we are better off finding out sooner than later what they are.. are we not ?

If you think my vote sucks then you must think paths sucks too.

[Chief Rum]

If you think font is a wolf, why not vote font? We would find out more from a font vote than an autumn vote.

That autumn vote doesn't sit well with me.

vote mau

Because I haven't decided to go that way just yet. I want to see some other posts and thoughts before going one way or another.

I am undecided on Autumn. He has tremendous value as a villager, but if we think he's possibly a wolf, I think he could be even more dangerous. He is very good at playing the helpful villager, and I have seen him leverage that rep as a wolf to last longer than he should.

[Danny]

vote daddytorgo

[path12]

If you think font is a wolf, why not vote font? We would find out more from a font vote than an autumn vote.


My reason for going back to Autumn rather than fontisian is more along the lines of:
1) Was fontisian trying to save Autumn with her vote/"switch"?
2) Does her sequence of vote/switch vote/try to switch but mess it up seem more wolflike or cultist-like? Leaning the latter right now. She doesn't strike me as a novice.

It looks like I'm pushing way harder here than I really feel, but there hasn't been a ton of conversation, so I'm just throwing darts blindfolded and hoping to hit something.

[path12]

Dola, if there was a move on fontisian I'd be willing to switch up.

[EagleFan]

I see a saldana tie in yesterday what could be worth exploring:

If saldana is a wolf...
- font looks good
- CR looks good
- mau and DT look not so good (obviously just one of them would be in question here)

If saldana is good...
- font and CR look not so good with their vote (not wolfish but not as good of votes as they would be if saldana was a wolf)
- a known villager would have been the first to lead the charge off saldana, that actually makes font look a little better as I can't see a night kill of JAG if font was a wolf in this case (saldana is still in question and it would appear that JAG and font tried to save him, they would have already eliminated one of the suspects leaving us one left to look at)

[path12]

One more thing. I was wondering about DT a lot yesterday and mentioned that's how I would have gone if I'd switched at deadline, but reading it again afterwards he came off way better to me.

[path12]

I see a saldana tie in yesterday what could be worth exploring:

If saldana is a wolf...
- font looks good
- CR looks good
- mau and DT look not so good (obviously just one of them would be in question here)

If saldana is good...
- font and CR look not so good with their vote (not wolfish but not as good of votes as they would be if saldana was a wolf)
- a known villager would have been the first to lead the charge off saldana, that actually makes font look a little better as I can't see a night kill of JAG if font was a wolf in this case (saldana is still in question and it would appear that JAG and font tried to save him, they would have already eliminated one of the suspects leaving us one left to look at)

I really didn't like the non-vote from saldana yesterday. Best way for a wolf to hide in a small game is to "check in" a day late.

Normally that would automatically get a vote from me. But I'm off on this other tangent......

[path12]

If you think my vote sucks then you must think paths sucks too.

I think path's vote sucked too.

[EagleFan]

My reason for going back to Autumn rather than fontisian is more along the lines of:
1) Was fontisian trying to save Autumn with her vote/"switch"?
2) Does her sequence of vote/switch vote/try to switch but mess it up seem more wolflike or cultist-like? Leaning the latter right now. She doesn't strike me as a novice.

It looks like I'm pushing way harder here than I really feel, but there hasn't been a ton of conversation, so I'm just throwing darts blindfolded and hoping to hit something.

Let's explore a bit.

font's unvote was either:

A) mistake
B) wolfish ploy to act like an unvote that wouldn't count. Here is the problem with this assumption. For one it would be a really bad move to bring that much suspicion on yourself if there was only two wolves in the game. Why risk exposing both of you when a vote switch to lynch the other wolf would at least secure potential trust? For another, what if Z said, okay the vote counts. Also, it was not known what would happen with a tie. Leaving too much up to chance and exposing oneself way too much.
C) cultist move. The cultist doesn't know who the wolves are, that would mean absolutely nothing about Autumn.


I have to say Ocam's Razor on this one...

[mauchow]

I can see myself switching to font also as that makes sense what ef said.

[Chief Rum]

I can see myself switching to font also as that makes sense what ef said.



Actually, I think EF is saying it was a mistake, unless I am misreading him. I think he is saying we shouldn't read too much into font's unvote.

[britrock88]

2 Autumn - mauchow(184), path12(188)
1 mauchow - EagleFan(193)
1 DaddyTorgo - Danny(197)

[hoopsguy]

LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!

Hi kids. Checking in. Been awhile.

I know that dude ...

[britrock88]

Afternoon, all.

[britrock88]

S'pose I'll reread Day 1 now.

[mauchow]

Okay. My original point stands one way or another. We need to decipher whether or not it was a collassal mistake or not.

[Autumn]

Let's explore a bit.

font's unvote was either:

A) mistake
B) wolfish ploy to act like an unvote that wouldn't count. Here is the problem with this assumption. For one it would be a really bad move to bring that much suspicion on yourself if there was only two wolves in the game. Why risk exposing both of you when a vote switch to lynch the other wolf would at least secure potential trust? For another, what if Z said, okay the vote counts. Also, it was not known what would happen with a tie. Leaving too much up to chance and exposing oneself way too much.
C) cultist move. The cultist doesn't know who the wolves are, that would mean absolutely nothing about Autumn.


I have to say Ocam's Razor on this one...

This is my thinking. Vote me if you want, for happening to be on the firing line. But thinking Font is a wolf saving a wolf strains credulity. It's MUCH MUCH more likely, if I'm a wolf, that the other wolf is on DT and doesn't do anything hoping for a lucky result. A wolf on a wolf me would switch with a perfect excuse. A wolf with a vote somewhere else either votes DT and saves me, or votes me and rides that trust to endgame. I see no possibility that a wolf on DT fake-unvotes to lynch me.

[Autumn]

But just as likely (and more to my mind obviously) is that DT could be a wolf, and a wolf is stuck on me, not moving and hoping for a tie.

[Autumn]

I will return to DT. Because of the tie I do agree that we can learn something by going back to him and me. Also, he was almost lynched and had no reveal, so I feel better about voting him and not worrying he has a role.

<b>vote daddytorgo</b>

[Danny]

unvote dt
vote autumn

[DaddyTorgo]

Checking in real briefly between my 3PM and 4PM mtg at the hotel. Will have to come back after the meeting and see what's going on...no time really now.

[DaddyTorgo]

I will return to DT. Because of the tie I do agree that we can learn something by going back to him and me. Also, he was almost lynched and had no reveal, so I feel better about voting him and not worrying he has a role.

<b>vote daddytorgo</b>

Don't vote for me. From reading this it looks like it's back to you and me, and I'm not voting for myself.

VOTE AUTUMN

[Danny]

Ive seen enough from Autumn to warrant checking into him.

[Autumn]

We do have a seer, and a night deadline, so that makes me less keen to vote for DT and me, as we might have been scanned. But generally I don't think we can gather much from yesterday without knowing our allegiances. I'm interested why people left it a tie, which is rather rare.

[Danny]

Not sure I want a run away though, so I will flip this way for now

unvote autumn
vote font

[Danny]

We do have a seer, and a night deadline, so that makes me less keen to vote for DT and me, as we might have been scanned. But generally I don't think we can gather much from yesterday without knowing our allegiances. I'm interested why people left it a tie, which is rather rare.

I think it was a case of no one being here to break the tie. It didnt look like anyone made a conscious decision not to break the tie.

[Autumn]

Official Vote Count:
1-Saldana: Chief Rum(53)
4-Autumn: Brit(43), Mauchow(60), DaddyTorgo(66), RA(77)
4-DaddyTorgo: Autumn(48), Jag(67), Danny(106), Font(110)
1-Mauchow: Path(50)
1-Jag: EF(51)

Yet To Vote:Sal

Moving this up for thinking out loud.

If one of me or DT is a wolf, and Path, EF or Chief were around and wolves, I would think they would have saved us, with a perfect excuse.

If I am a wolf, I expect Brit, Mau or RA to move if they are also a wolf, as they have a pretty good excuse. It's possible they'd shoot for the tie and hope to get lucky and not draw attention to themselves. If JAG, Danny or Font was my fellow wolf, they would either hold still and hope for luck, or make the switch and take the credit. Danny or JAG I could see switching, but wouldn't expect that of a new wolf. Though I suppose if I was a wolf I would have possibly suggested it to Font.

If DT is a wolf, same in reverse, I doubt that JAG, Danny or Font are the fellow wolf, as they would have had clearance to move (unless they weren't around). So likely targets are Brit, Mauchow and RA.

But again, until we know at least one of us, that doesn't narrow it down much.

[Autumn]

I think it was a case of no one being here to break the tie. It didnt look like anyone made a conscious decision not to break the tie.

I remember someone saying they chose not to break the tie. In fact there were several eople in thread talking at the time, so I'm not sure that's the case.

[Autumn]

Looking back Path, RA, Font and JAG were all in thread in the last few minutes.

[Autumn]

If Path is a wolf then it was likely villager-villager, as I can't see why he wouldn't save his fellow wolf. Font we've discussed. RA and JAG were on opposite sides, so if one of us turns out to be a wolf we've got a possible suspect there.

[britrock88]

Many good points you raise, Autumn.

[britrock88]

3 Autumn - mauchow(184), path12(188), DaddyTorgo(217)
1 mauchow - EagleFan(193)
1 DaddyTorgo - Autumn(214)
1 fontisian - Danny(220)

[britrock88]

Back to being productive at work. Sigh...

[path12]

I know that dude ...

'sup hoops!

[path12]

I think it was a case of no one being here to break the tie. It didnt look like anyone made a conscious decision not to break the tie.

I did in the end. Had a switch ready to post but just kept waiting to see if anyone would jump -- plus I didn't really want to be the deciding last second switch to lynch a villager on day 1 in my first game in two years, y'know?

I deserve scrutiny nonetheless though no matter which way I went. Would have been easier to just not show up 10 minutes before deadline. But I'm having fun being back even if just for a game so I hurried to get online....

[Chief Rum]

While EF's logic on fontisian makes some sense, she still made a really odd decision/mistake there. By itself it's not enough, but it's either put up a second candidate or watch Autumn run away with it. I always think we get more information when we have close votes.

VOTE FONTISIAN

[fontisian]

What can I say? I wasn't paying close enough attention to the game and made a really stupid mistake. It will not happen again.

I think it would be best to lynch Autumn or DaddyTogo today, since so many people had opinions and voted or conspicuously decided not to vote on them. I'm going to vote for DaddyTogo for now, because I really don't like the way he overreacted to people voting for him. Is that how he normally behaves?

Vote DaddyTogo

If no momentum builds on him, I'll switch to Autumn.

[fontisian]

Actually, looking back, Daddy doesn't look that bad and an Autumn lynch would give more info.
Unvote DaddyTogo

[Raiders Army]

Chief Rum was in the thread at the end, which is why I asked him or path or unvote. Their votes were meaningless.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[Raiders Army]

Moving this up for thinking out loud.

If one of me or DT is a wolf, and Path, EF or Chief were around and wolves, I would think they would have saved us, with a perfect excuse.

If I am a wolf, I expect Brit, Mau or RA to move if they are also a wolf, as they have a pretty good excuse. It's possible they'd shoot for the tie and hope to get lucky and not draw attention to themselves. If JAG, Danny or Font was my fellow wolf, they would either hold still and hope for luck, or make the switch and take the credit. Danny or JAG I could see switching, but wouldn't expect that of a new wolf. Though I suppose if I was a wolf I would have possibly suggested it to Font.

If DT is a wolf, same in reverse, I doubt that JAG, Danny or Font are the fellow wolf, as they would have had clearance to move (unless they weren't around). So likely targets are Brit, Mauchow and RA.

But again, until we know at least one of us, that doesn't narrow it down much.

Yeah, I agree that JAG is probably not a wolf. ;)

I know what you're really trying to say.

[fontisian]

not knowing what the mechanic would be for a tie, i think trying to be helpful and failing due to technical difficulties looks better than sitting and doing nothing
I'm going to go against what I just said and
Vote Saldana
Because this was seriously his only post so far.

[DaddyTorgo]

Okay...have some time to catch up before I go out and get dinner...going to be asleep before it gets too late though...4:15 wakeup call tomorrow

[DaddyTorgo]

I kind of like autumn more based on his analysis he's done today. In the spirit of encouraging that, before I head out to grab dinner, I'm going to

UNVOTE AUTUMN

I'll be back before deadline...probably in like an hour...certainly less than 2 I have to believe.

[Chief Rum]

Chief Rum was in the thread at the end, which is why I asked him or path or unvote. Their votes were meaningless.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

I checked the forum on my phone before walking into work at 5:30, but I was not on at deadline.

[EagleFan]

We learn much more from a font lynch or sal lynch than from an autumn lynch.

Hell, i think we could learn more from a mau lynch at this point. I think it will show us a lot to be honest. On my phone at the moment but i will try to get to my laptop soon enough so i can elaborate on that statement.

Hopefully the time away cleared my head well as i feel like i have a pretty good grasp on two potential directions to head and either a mau or sal lynch could point to wolf number 2, or narrow it down enough that end game would be close.

[path12]

So am I reading the vote count right?

Autumn 2 -- mauchow, path
fontisian 2 -- Danny, CR
mauchow 1 -- EF
DT 1 -- Autumn
CR 1 -- RA
sal 1 -- fontisian

I'm here for about 30 minutes and then out for sure until later tonight.

[path12]

Right now I could see voting for Autumn, fontisian or saldana but am interested to hear EF's ideas on mauchow.

[mauchow]

unvote autumn

I feel a lot better not going autumn now. Perhaps we did have villager/villager last night. Its so tough to say on the new first day.

[Zinto]

Official Vote Count
1 Autumn-path(188)
1 Mau-EF(193)
1 DaddyTorgo- Autumn(214)
2 Font-Danny(220), Chief(231)
1 Chief- Raiders(235)
1 Sal- Font(236)

[path12]

OK, have to run. Looks like I'm alone on Autumn now so lets make a move and see what happens.

UNVOTE AUTUMN
VOTE FONTISIAN

Let's get a wolf today. See y'all later tonight.

[path12]

Sorry Zinto. Your list was instantly out of date.

[Chief Rum]

Headed out again to the other job and won't be available at deadline. If I make good time, I might peek in again before walking into the job, but I start a half hour earlier today (5).

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm around now. At least until I crash.

[Autumn]

Wow, quite a spread this late. I can't see voting Fontisian. I think it's clear she only is getting pressure because she made a mistake in her post. If she had unvoted Daddy to break the tie and lynched a villager Autumn, I wouldn't be voting her either (well, you get what I mean). I think we too often take the easy route of focusing on whoever did something, anything!, we can latch onto. But it's usually not a wolf.

I'm interested in hearing EF's thoughts because I have no idea what he's talking about.

[Autumn]

Outside of just voting DT for being in the vote yesterday, my thoughts are more on Path, for hesitating to make a deciding vote and break the tie--something a villager might do, but a wolf would be wary of doing and drawing attention as well. The fact that he then started the day by trying to paint Font bad for doing basically the opposite is not in his favor, I don't think.

I can't see a strong reason to vote Chief, Mau or Saldana. At least I haven't heard one yet.